tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC November 1, 2018 12:00am-1:00am PDT
wednesday, halloween night. thank you for being here with you. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. >> tonight on "all in". >> no, i'm not going to blame anybody. >> the hostile sales pitch continues. >> if midterms don't do well for republicans you're all going to lose a lot of money. >> bold predictions from the other side. >> they will win. >> tonight, republicans in disarray, where democrats are on offense with dnc chair tom perez. then, how to reign in a lawless president. >> i am not a crook. >> ben wits on the road map from nixon's special prosecutor. >> this is a pure and simple witch hunt. and glamming up the midterms. >> i've been shouting at people on billy on the street for years. >> billy on his push to get out
the vote. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, we are now just six days away from election day. as republicans fight each other amidst trump's desperately toxic final message democrats appear at this moment to have the momentum. they currently have an average eight-point lead in the generic congressional ballot which, if it holds, would likely be enough to overcome gerrymandering by the gop and overcome the house. polls show a handful of democratic candidates tied with republican opponents in deep, deep red districts, places where trump won by 20 points or more. 528 gives democrats an 86% chance to win the house, a 16% chance to win the senate. democratic control of one or both houses of congress is frankly a nightmare scenario for a president who faced no serious oversight despite near constant
credible charges of corruption and scandal after scandal after scandal. so, donald trump and his allies are trying to scare voters into submission with shameful and increasingly lurid and ludicrous lies about migrants and fear mongering about imaginary mobs along with sledge hammer threats like this one. >> if the midterms for some reason don't do so well for republicans i think you're all going to lose a lot of money. i hate to say that. i think you're going to lose a lot of money. >> despite pretty good evidence to the contrary the president seems to think his presence in the headlines helps vulnerable republicans. he's holding 11 rallies in the final six days of the campaign, including tonight one in florida. hard core supporters stood in line for hours, some are more than happy to parrot the president's false talking points. >> this thing with this invasion coming from the southern -- >> you're talking about the caravan. >> i'm talking about the invasion, that's right, the
caravan, it's just so wrong. i mean, what are they going to do when they come here? you know, and they've got all the ms-13 tattoos and everything, that's not a good thing. >> the problem for gop candidates is that the scare mongering and the lies don't have that much traction outside the cult of trump. the republican party is splintering in realtime cay days before the crucial vote. paul ryan correctly pointed out the president can't override the 14th amendment to the u.s. constitution, trump tweeted that ryan should not be giving his opinions on birthright citizenship, something he knows nothing about. for the second straight day a prominent republican lashed out at white nationalist gop congressman steve king who could lose his overwhelmingly republican district in iowa. >> his comments and his actions are disgusting. i know nothing about his opponent, andrea, but i can tell you this, i would never cast a ballot for someone like steve
king. >> now, that's carlos corbello in the fight for his life in his own district, a member of the republican party that embodies steve king in many ways, let's be clear where things stand. anything could happen on tuesday including the republicans gaining seats in the house and senate. ern learned that lesson two years ago. polls are one thing. votes are something else entirely. as billy ikener will be here to discuss shortly. things do seem to have changed from two years ago when conservatives were predicting a nationalist uprising led by donald trump and his wing man steve bannon that would unite the country around their populist vision and give republicans super majorities for decades to come, represent realignment in american politics. bannon is trying to rally the base. no one is interested. last week a gop dinner had to slash prices because of low demand. bannon also had a rally for republican candidates in new york, but none showed up. he has been speaking to embarrassingly empty rooms like
this one on staten island, and this one last night in kansas where a whopping 25 people showed up for bannon's red tide rising rally at a holiday inn express in support of gop candidate steve watkins who did not show up. with me now six days from election day the chair of the democratic national committee tom perez. tom, where do you see things right now? >> well, i'm optimistic, the early voting numbers, give me optimism. we see a lot more young voters out there and see new voters, a number of sporadic voters, georgia, twice as many african-americans have already voted. at the same time, chris, something resonates with me. we have so many races that are a dead heat. you look at the polling in ohio, and wisconsin in the governor's races, this is no time to do anything but get out there and vote. this is the vote of our lifetime. blocking and tackling phase. we have opportunity everywhere, weave competed everywhere, fielding spectacular candidates
everywhere and we're making real progress because we're talking about health care. we're talking about protecting social security. they're hemorrhaging on health care. trying to change the subject. but it is so, so important for folks to make sure they get out there and vote. >> let me ask you this, there's a number of races, i'm fascinated by, mia love in utah, greg gianforte in montana, jd shulkin running against steve king, pennsylvania 11 today had a surprise number. a bunch of places we're talking trump margins of 20%, 22. that you have democratic candidates tied statistically. what is the message there? what's the way to close that sale for a democrat running in a trump plus 20 district? >> health care, health care, health care. >> right. >> medicare, social security, medicaid. protecting people's health care. >> yeah. >> if you have a preexisting condition, it's on the ballot. last i checked, chris, it's not just democrats that have preexisting conditions, it's
people across the board, not just democrats that have loved ones who are suffering from opioid addiction. two-thirds of coverage for opioid treatment is through medicaid. and so the reason why we're competitive everywhere is because these are the issues that people care about. and this is what we're focused on. quality education. that's how we were able to help when four state legislative seats in special elections in oklahoma last year, because everybody wants their kids to do better. you see republicans slashing funding for public education. and so we're on the right side of the issues that matter most to people. >> you know, the president, the president and republicans on down the line have taken this fairly ludicrous position, we will protect preexisting conditions, the president going so far today saying republicans will protect people with preexisting conditions, far better than the demes who invented and passed obamacare which does that. do you chuckle at that? what's the response to that at dnc headquarters?
>> we talked about the 60 times they voted to repeal the affordable care act, the lawsuit filed in texas in which the department of justice, the republican department of justice is refusing to defend the affordable care act. it is very clear what they want to do. and it's also clear to me, chris, that they are hemorrhaging on this health care issue. that's why they're trying to deflect attention. we need to be focused, like a laser, in these last six days about the fact that we're fighting for health care. >> let me ask you something. did you go in -- did democrats go into this campaign seeing that as the central issue on the ground that was going to be a key issue for their success, or was it something more organic where they sort of recognized in the process of canvassing a voter contact of being on the trail how salient it was. >> good leaders are good listeners, chris, and we learned in 2017 when we redoubled our commitment to organizing, we heard it in virginia, health care, health care, health care. we heard it in oklahoma,
education. we -- these are the two issues that have animated voters. and these are the two issues that continue to animate voters because, again, so many people are one accident away from bankruptcy. and they understand what it means when you're diabetic to have protection and have that insurance. they understand that the cost of insulin has skyrocketed and republicans have done nothing about it. that's why we're winning elections. >> do you think the president, he's such a polarizing figure, obviously, he thinks it is good for him to be in the headlines, he thinks it's good for him to do these rallies, he thinks he's the sort of person that can close the enthusiasm gap. from your perch are you happy to see him out there or not? >> well, listen, the democratic primary turnout last year was -- this past year was 89% higher than it was in 2014. republican turnout was about 24% higher. but listen, i take nothing for granted. i remember that pit in my stomach on november the 9th,
2016. we thought we were going to win and we didn't win. and so when he's out there, and when he's doing the fear mongering and the distracting and the dividing, he's trying to -- he's trying to, you know, obviously juice his base and get them to turn out. so we can leave nothing to chance. >> yeah. >> and i've just seen too many polls that have showed close races. and you've got to remember these gerrymandered seated, we not only have to win, we have to beat the spread. >> that's right, beat the spread. >> we're not on a level playing field. >> 40 races are essentially tied in the house, crazy how close this is and how much these next six days matter. tom perez, thanks for being with me. >> my pleasure, get out there and vote. with me now from one of the upcoming elections, democratic senator, former, barbara boxer. and presidential candidate evan mcmullen. i want to start with you, evan,
because your pac is running ads against steve king. i'm grimly amused by republicans six days from election day discovering what steve king believes in. i want to play one of your ads and have you explain why this is -- why this is important to you. take a listen. >> for nearly 16 years congressman steve king has been our representative in washington. he's gained a lot of admirers, he's a hero, declares the neo-nazi website storm front. he is our guy. guy bless our king says david duke. i'm very proud of him, announced richard spencer, steve king, klan and neo-nazi approved. >> why are you running that ad? >> we're running that ad, chris, because we're trying to make a case, and for and to build a cross partisan coalition in iowa and across the country that we'll stand up to leaders like steve king, leaders who don't advance our values, don't
protect our values and who actually fight against them. so we're calling on republicans, independents and democrats to stand together against guys like steve king. and that's what that effort is, steve king is a guy who has spent a lot of time promoting the ideas of white suprem schism. he has no place in congress. we should all, as americans, be in agreement on that. >> senator boxer, you were a politician for a long time, so you've got a good keen political instinct. >> yes. >> it is interesting to me to watch carlos cabello in a tight race in a swing district in florida to watch the head of the nrcc distance themselves from him, it says something to me about where the political winds are at this moment. what do you think? >> listen, politics aside, thank you for doing that ad, evan. i come from a family that lost a lot of our people in the holocaust. and, you know, in the beginning when you hear these things about
hate, whether it's toward latinos, or whether it's toward african-americans, or jewish-americans or the other, whoever that may be, and you don't say anything, and you don't get out there it's a problem. now, politically, clearly, i believe in the american people. i believe they're better than that. and so the best thing could be if steve king is defeated. the next best thing is if they censure him, but far better if he wasn't in the hallowed halls of congress. >> everybody has ptsd from 2016 in many ways. there might be overcorrection. >> me too. >> people have a sense that what the president is doing right now, which i have to say has really gotten shockingly disgusting, franc frankly, basically accusing democrats of allowing in a cop killer and praising him.
that that's going to work. what is your read about the sort of marginal effectiveness of the kinds of politics both the president and the entire republican party seem engaged in right now? >> chris, i want to tell you with all my heart that they will be ineffective. ineffective with the whole country, obviously they'll be ineffective with anyone outside of his base republican party, i wish i could tell you they would be ineffective within the party. i'm not so sure that's the case, francly. donald trump is playing the same game he played in 2016 and he had success with it. what was that game? it was, hey, continue to protect me, and i'll nominate justices and judges that will be friendly to republicans. continue to support me and i'll continue to espouse this white nationalist rhetoric. people bought into that. i am so sorry to say that what i see out there is that this anti-immigrant rhetoric and then
the issue with his nominations on the -- you know, for the courts, is that it does tend to pull, even some republicans -- >> that's interesting. >> republican leaning independents who are not supportive of trump back into that space. chris, i'll tell you, i've been so concerned over the past few weeks that his effectiveness in leveraging the kavanaugh confirmation, and leveraging this caravan that has come out of nowhere, to send people back into their partisan tribes. >> yeah. >> even people -- even republicans who aren't great fans of trump, i've seen them moving back into that space. i and others are working hard to pull them back. but the point is that we should not take for granted that this kind of messaging will be ineffective. we have to fight for it. >> senator boxer. >> well, i would say the politics of fear, that's the politics of a coward. i want to talk about a caravan. my grandma dina came on a
caravan at sea with my mother who was 9 months old in 1911. she was part of that caravan. it was nothing to be afraid of. we had a republican president, president taft. he did not send the military. he sent people down there to see whether or not people like my grandma qualified for refugee status. there's nothing to be afraid of, america. and i think we need to stand tall. yes, we need our health care. yes, we need our education. yes, we want representatives who represent the best of america. and we have a chance to say who we are in a few days. >> all right, barbara boxer, former senator, and evan mcmullin, thank you both for being with me. still ahead, billy eichner on his efforts to get young people to vote. next, why republicans continue to struggle over the single biggest issue. republicans desperate attempt to
we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. last summer after house republicans voted overwhelmingly to repeal obamacare, the matter went to the senate where it was narrowly and memorably defeated. one of the votes came from democratic senator hirono. only three republican senators voted against that bill and now the president and other republicans up and down the ticket across the country claim to be the party helping people with preexisting health conditions. senator mazie hirono joins me from hawaii. you came back from the midst of cancer treatment to cast that vote. and what must it be like for you to watch republicans attempt to tell people that they're the party that will protect people
with preexisting conditions? >> i think the people of this country will not be fooled by the party that has been, for years, trying to repeal the affordable care act which, of course, protects people with preexisting conditions, one out of four, in our country. i do not think that people of our country will believe that the same people who have been trying to do them in on health care have suddenly seen the light and will protect their health care. so let's get real, people. you know, they're not going to be fooled. they will have a chance in the election to make sure that all these people who are lying through their teeth will not be elected. >> what do you say to someone that says, after the kind of campaign they've run and when the president said, there's no way they would come back and try to repeal obamacare again? >> why should we believe that when they've -- as i said, for years they've been talking about repealing the affordable care act. not only that, very recently
mitch mcconnell said that thanks to the $1.5 trillion huge tax cut they gave to the richest people and corporations in our country they're now going to have to deal with what they call reforming medicare, which means cutting medicare, medicaid, and social security. so this is where they are, this is where they're going, this is where they've always been. >> do you -- you've been in politics for a while. and there's a certain amount of massaging of the truth about politics. it happens all the time. but it's hard for me to come up with a direct analog for the kind of bald-faced disingenuousness on display here. is it new to you? >> well, it's certainly not new with the trump administration and the people who enable him. >> that's fair. >> every day trump lies, i mean whopper lies. every day. >> there's an interesting story from martha mcsally who's running for senate in arizona, gives you a sense of where the
politics on this issue are right now. she says i'm getting my ass kicked on vote to repeal obamacare, well, sean, i did vote to repeal obamacare on that house bill. i'm getting my ass kicked right now because it's being misconstrue by democrats, they're trying to invoke fear in people who have family members or loved ones with preexisting conditions. are democrats being unfair about this? >> of course not. democrats are telling the truth. and if any misconstruing is going on, or outright lies, it's all the republicans who are suddenly seeing the light as to how important health care is to everybody. you know, health care is personal to everybody and i certainly know that from my own experiences, not just recently because of my diagnosis, and i have said that we are all one diagnosis away from a major illness. but, of course, when i first came here as an immigrant my mother worked in jobs that didn't provide health care. we couldn't afford to go to the doctor and we couldn't afford to have her get sick.
i have had an awareness of how important medical care is since i was a child. and going forward, with the awareness that people have of my own diagnosis and the battles i've said families face all the time, there are people who come up to me all over the place to share with me their health diagnosis and to ask me how i'm doing. some of them say, you know what, you give me hope as i'm fighting kidney cancer, or i'm fighting, you know, whatever illness they're doing, so we're all in this together. >> that's a good message, senator mazie hirono, thank you for your time. >> thank you, aloha. billy eichner is here to talk about the biggest election day struggles, getting young people to vote. billy joins me right after this. many people living with diabetes
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sorry, not to be annoying but we're with nbc news and i'm trying to figure out, is anybody here going to vote in the election on november 6th? anybody? anybody? nobody's going to vote. is anybody going to vote in the congressional election in november? you are, thank you. >> okay, it's a basic fact of american politics, young people are the age demographic least likely to vote. in the last midterm elections youth turnout fell to lowest levels on record. meanwhile, senior citizens in midterms vote around twice the rate of young voters and it's really not an overstatement to say that everything we know about american politics currently hinges on that imbalance. there is some indication things will be different this time around. early voting among young voters in texas and georgia is up around 500% compared to 2014. a new harvard kennedy school
poll showed that 40% of 18 to 29-year-olds will definitely vote on election day, up 14 points from the last midterm election. and one effort to get those young people to the polls is being spearheaded by actor and comedian billy eichner and the folks at funny or die. glam up the midterms is a campaign tour traveling around the country trying to mode vate teem to register and vote. billy eichner is so dedicated to the cause he won't stop talking about it even when he's hounded by paparazzi in new york. >> everyone needs to vote for democrats. >> i know. you were upset a about a certain news story the president is redefining gender potentially. >> you can't redefine it it's a fact of life. [ bleep ]. evil piece of [ bleep ] the whole administration is awful. everyone needs to vote. you can vote now in many states. you can vote early. >> to you predict a blue wave is happening? are people that mad, or are they
apathetic? >> a blue wave should happen. if enough people vote, there will be a blue wave. >> joining me is now bigly eichner. welcome. >> that was a ruth bader ginsburg quote, by the way, quoting her in that. >> i love the fact it was a gotcha. you know what i think about all of this. >> i have more experience of anyone running up to people with a microphone, i was very prepared. >> first tell me about your own self with politics. i think that people over the course of their lives, both based on what's happening in the world and where they are in their life can wax and wane and how politically activated they feel. how activated do you feel? >> i feel i was always someone who kept in touch with what was happening in the world and followed the news. but i wasn't as engaged and as much of an activist as i became post-trump, the case for many people, obviously. >> did you have that wake up the next morning, feeling like, oh, my word? >> i was a little ahead of that, i hated him the entire time. and i grew up in new york city.
>> yes. >> i grew up in queens. >> as did i. >> i've been following trump his whole life. i didn't think he was good as a reality show host, let alone the president of the united states. and so i never really liked him that much. he always seemed like a fraud to me, and a bit of a conartist and a performance artist, which is fine when you're performing, but not when you're the president. when he won, i did -- i was enraged. i'm part of the lgbt community also and i fear for my fellow lgbt people and i fear for all of us as americans. and that's what got me involved. >> you know, we see this all the time, how do you get young people to vote, this rubik's cube everyone is trying to solve, what's your theory? >> i try to level with young people. we were all young once. >> once upon a time. >> i looked up your age today on wikipedia. he's young. >> i'm 40. i just turned 40. i look amazing. >> you look amazing. >> i dressed up for halloween today, i'm lawrence o'donnell, my costume.
but seriously, i'm supposed to be serious. i talk to young people the way i would talk to anyone, honest with them. i saw so many people at march or our lives events and i saw so many young people at the women's march and i saw young people go with their parents and grandparents to town halls trying to save their family's health care. my message is, if you went to those things, all of that was leading up to election day. >> yeah. >> you know what i mean? all of those things were wonderful, galvanizing events but they don't mean as much as actually going to vote. because if you're going to go to march for our lives, you have to go vote. and people who are going to fight for those things we were marching for. otherwise, why did you go? >> i think it's too, like -- there are certain things in life where, checking tire pressure on a car and somebody will be like, check your tire pressure. i have a feeling, do i know how to do that? that wasn't as hard as i thought. if you're habituated to it, if you haven't done it before, it feels like it's harder to do and there's more obstacles than it
is. >> i set out to do with glam up the midterms, i come out and say look, there were elections in my 20s, i didn't vote during. you have to admit it. that's true for all of us. maybe not you because you're chris hayes and you work at msnbc. most people don't vote in college, embrace the fact and admit that's not the way to be. we're now with the consequences of not enough people voting or people not voting because they're not in love with the candidate. >> it's a crazy fact about america that we have a functional -- in which senior citizens like punch above their weight to the ratio of two to one. they control state legislatures because they come out at midterms. >> i know. there have been a lot of voting campaigns called vote or die. i'm like, call it vote and die because all the people voting are like a thousand years old. >> which, by the way, we love seniors. >> of course we do.
but -- >> we love bubbys and papas and nanas. >> i love old democrats. we need young people to come out and vote. otherwise, their interests won't be represent. the fact is, young people have jobs, money is taken out of their paychecks to pay congress and people in washington, the way it is for anyone at any age why shouldn't they have a say in what those people are going to go and do once they get there? >> you've been going around the country going to different events. what do you do? >> everything is different. we did an event in phoenix with a human rights cam bane, did one in detroit -- >> did blake griffin go to that one? >> yes, we did an event with joe biden in vegas. my message is the same, if you're worried about school shootings among young people, you ask young people what issues their concerned about, they're worried about getting shot in school. this is not a joke. i'm a comedian, but this is not
a joke. well, i tell those people, you might be alienated from voteding, you may have never voted before, there's one party that's not going to do anything about gun safety reform ever because they've been bought and sold by the national rifle association, there's another party that might. that wants to. if we get enough of them in power so that they feel that they have a support system there in order to do it, that party happens to be called the democratic party. i wish it wasn't a nonpartisan issue, life and death should not be a nonpartisan issue but in america today it is. that's where we are. >> there is that way in which the feeling, the emotion you get from a rally or a march or being in the women's march and march for our lives or in moments of intense activism that happens on campus sometimes is not the same as the feeling of going to a voting booth. although it has its own kind of -- i find a pleasant ritual to it. politics can be really inspiring sometimes and partly it's just like the -- the work a day work. >> final message, leading up to
the final weekend of early voting, don't go by yourself to go vote. make it a social event. take your friends. if you're watching chris hayes right now you're probably going to vote. we need you, regardless of your age, to go out there and bring your like-minded friends with you. go get a drink, put it on instagram. you put everything -- >> even i am on instagram. >> you're chronicling your workouts every day, that's how bad things have gotten in this country. >> just trying to keep it together in these dark times, billy. >> you need to. it's important to keep yourself healthy. >> peer pressure also works. people who are around folks that vote it becomes like, oh, that's a thing people do. if you're around folks that don't vote, why would i vote? if you're a voter, and you're watching this, talk to people you know and love who aren't because, hey, this is what i'm doing. >> i'm very impressed by what taylor swift has done, massive
effect. you can't debate that. this has been incredible step she's taken. but whether you have one follower or 100 million followers, these races are going to come down to a handful of votes. the other thing, especially among young people they were disillusioned by hillary winning more votes, what i explain, there's know electoral college this time. we'll have to deal with that again next time. for right now, your vote really does count. >> there will be -- on election night congressional races will come down to a hundred votes. >> every vote really does count. >> billy eichner, come back anytime. >> for the record, i love old people. and that was just a joke. >> of course. we love all people. all people. >> unless you watch fox news, of any age. >> i love everyone. >> i don't like people. coming up, the newly unsealed watergate documents, could be a road map for special counsel robert mueller. ben wittes sue today make that
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you made a super man. that's my favorite super hero. you made a super man cape for me. also as a guy that looks up to you, i love this guy right here, let me give this guy a hug right here. >> three weeks ago kanye was fully on the trump train, in fact he loved trump so much he reportedly started designing t-shirts encouraging black people to leave the democratic part, also known as blexit. now, six days before the midterms, kanye is bailing. first, he distanced himself from the whole blexit thing. i never wanted any association with blexit, nothing to do with it. and then the formerly maga hat wearing trump super fan wrote my eyes are now wide open and now realize i've been used to spread messages i don't believe in. i am distancing myself from politics. it looks like the kanye trump love affair may have come to an end. sad, politics has a way of breaking up all sorts of relationships. there are so many toothpastes out there
donald trump threatened to get rid of birthright citizenship, if you're born in the u.s., you're a citizen. via executive order yesterday and right on cue his trusted adviser kelly ann conway defended the president's position citing so many constitutional scholars. she did not, however, cite the constitutional scholar she lives with, george conway, kellyanne's husband, penned an op-ed yesterday calling the president's plan unconstitutional. family division over politics is becoming common theme in the age of trump, especially leading up to next week's vote. steve west is a republican candidate from missouri house. his son told the kansas city star yesterday, quote, my dad's a fanatic, he must be stopped. his ideology is pure hatred, it's totally insane. 12 relatives of lasalt, says he's the wrong choice, and paul gosar, the dentist and body
language expert. >> this morning i watched, by the way, i'm a dentist. okay, so i read body language very, very well. and i watched you comment in actions with mr. gowdy. >> oh, yes, dentist. i wonder what he makes of the body language of his six siblings who endorsed his opponent. >> my name is tim gosar. >> david gosar. >> grace gosar. >> paul gosar's my brother. >> i endorse dr. brill. >> wholeheartedly endorse dr. david brill for congress. >> i approve is this message.
♪ we are the world we are the children ♪ ♪ we are the ones who make a better day so let's start giving ♪ ♪ and the choice we're making -- an entire generation of americans, myself included and people around the world remember that moment when musicians came together in 1985 to stop the horrifying famine in ethiopia, images of emaciated children suffering because of draught and war spurring the world to send relief. more than three decades later there are children starving right now. emaciated, dying of famine in yemen where the worst humanitarian crisis in the world is unfolding before our eyes. the united nations now says that 14 million people are on the
brink of starvation. there's one crucial difference between then and now. this is not a remote war or a conflict that we have no part of. no, the united states is a key player in actively causing the famine right now. we are backing a saudi war in yemen that's blocking food, keeping food away from people and starving them. and we the united states have the power tomorrow to end the famine if we stop backing the war. we don't need to send in aid so much as we simply have to stop actively starving people to death. in the wake of the brutal murder of jamal khashoggi there's been growing calls in congress on both sides of the aisle to stop the u.s. from aiding the saudi crown prince and the saudi regime in its despicable conduct in yemen. and here's the good news, it now begins to look like the pressure is finally getting to a white house that seems devoted to supporting the saudis no matter what.
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six days until the election. one question that's on the mind for a lot of voters and quite possibly for the office of special counsel robert mueller, how do you rein in a lawless president? from the grand jury that saw mountains of evidence on the criminal activity of president nixon, a report sent from that grand jury to congress as it considered nixon's impeachment, a document that remained unsealed until today.
my guests now join me. ben, let me start with you. what is it, and how did you get your hands on it? >> the document is the impeachment referral that spec prosecutor leon jaworski who was named after archibald cox was fired. he sent this document to congress in 1974 to advise the house judiciary committee of information that may be grounds for the impeachment of richard nixon. the document was filed under seal and remained under seal because grand jury information is never supposed to become public. two colleagues, steven bates and jack goldsmith and i petitioned the district court to have it
unsealed, as did someone else in a different litigation. earlier this month, the chief judge of the district court here in washington, ordered it released. >> i want to get to what's in it. but first, joyce, the reason that it's so relevant right now is, we're in this weird situation right now where the mueller probe is going on in the background and sort of stopped any public activity in this window up to the campaign. it's easy to be caught in this, but as soon as the lek00 is over, it's likely things are going to happen, and that team will face a set of choices how to proceed, and this document is very relevant to that. >> it's sort of an end of the game document. this is when a grand jury finishes its work, and in this unique situation, sees that there's work still to be done up on capitol hill, and sends the evidence it's acquired on to capitol hill for the representatives to use in their deliberations. this is such an important part bringing closure to the american
people. sunshine is the best disinfectant. we need to expose this information not just on capitol hill but to average american citizens, perhaps in a classified format, the work that ben and folks that protect democracy have done is great. >> ben, it's striking here that the road map is not written in the voice of jaworski at all, unlike the starr report. it's a recommendation from the grand jury itself, and it is a remarkable picture of what was going on in the white house. >> it sure is. one of the striking things is the contrast between the drama of the facts that it recounts, which are well known now. but the drama of the facts against the incredible modesty and spareness of the language, you know, the document is just a sentence of factual claim. this happened, right?
and then two lines or three lines of grand jury citation to support the facts. it's 53 pages oh of this kind of outline, they called it a road map, because they didn't want to draw the picture with a lot of rhetoric. they just wanted to provide the evidence. >> joyce, there's going to be a question about what is the work product of the mueller team as pertains particularly to the president of the united states, anyone else that they think should be indicted, they will likely indict. the president, i think it's unlikely will do that for a variety of reasons. so the question becomes, what is the work product, and what work product do you expect in light of what this document is? >> so it's hard to know, and i think we have to be candid, we don't really know what to expect. it's unprecedented in the sense that this involves an entirely different set of special counsel regulations than the ones that existed during watergate. but this is exactly what it's called, it's a road map for the grand jury to get up to the house of representatives, information about the president
if they believe there's conduct that should be considered. >> what do you think, ben, in terms of how this document reflects what may happen with the mueller team? >> so as joyce says, it's very hard to know what mueller is up to right now, and therefore, what kind of report he may be contemplating. but i do think there's a really important lesson from this document, which is we're in a world in which everybody thinks the excesses of trump require, you know, excesses on the other side, right? and you fight fire with fire. and this was a document where leon jaworski fought fire with measured calm, really intellectually serious rigor. and, you know, very bob mueller thing to do, and i think if you imagine the kind of report that bob mueller would write on the spectrum from, you know, something highly argumentative and provocative, like for
example the starr report versus something measured, stayed, and restrained like this, i think this is a very positive model for somebody like mueller. >> joyce, you're nodding your head. >> i think that's exactly right. it's not an argumentative document, it's really the grand jury that worked with federal prosecutors talking to the house of representatives, which in many ways acts like a grand jury body when it considers impeachment. and saying, as one fact finding body to another, here's what we found. was don't draw conclusions, you just do your work. >> thank you both. don't forget to check out our latest episode of why is this happening? i think it's an interesting one. michael tessler breaks down white identity politics as a result of the 2008 election, not just 2016. and keep an eye out tomorrow morning for a little something special on the podcast front. that is "all in" for this evening.
tonight some new numbers for you. six days until the election. and now the number of potential u.s. troops being sent to our southern border is up to 15,000. that's more than the u.s. has in afghanistan. the president tonight says he's pretty good at estimating crowd size and the caravan is bigger than it looks. and because immigration is the current giant distraction for the base, today trump kept things fair by attacking his own republican speaker of the house. and congressman steve king of iowa just might have gone too far for his own party. republicans begin to distance themselves as we look at his future in congress tonight with the political editor for the "des moines register" as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a wednesday night. well, geeng once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. this was day 650 of the trump administration. an o