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statement against the man awaiting the results in the white house. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> they're even taking our brave troops away from their families for a political stunt at the border. >> four days out the big finish has begun. >> don't fall for the okeydoke. don't be bamboozled. >> tonight, where the vote stands with charlie cook. plus, as his former lawyer warns of untold racism new evidence the trump campaign of fear could backfire. >> you're creating violence by your questions. >> then new white house fears of trump cabinet corruption. >> i didn't have anybody in my administration get indicted. >> steve king's last-minute ad buy. >> stop it. >> and why women are poised to make history.
>> this is the most enthusiasm i have ever seen. >> with gloria stein am, robin morgan and jane fonda. >> you stay in the fight. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. just four days away from election day. today brought into sharp relief the choice between the two major political coalitions in this country at this pivotal moment. on one side the first black president campaigning for the man seeking to be florida's first black governor, andrew gillum, and heading to georgia to campaign for stacey abrams, the first black woman governor in the nation's history. >> the health care of millions of people are on the ballot. making sure working families get a fair shake. is on the ballot. but maybe most of all, the character of our country is on
the ballot. >> and then there's president trump whose closing argument is grounded in racism, fear and lies. a man who is repeatedly using flat out racist language according to both the public record, television cameras and his former right-hand man michael cohen, cohen telling vanity fair today name one country run by a black person that's not a shit hole. he added name one city. he also said, according to cohen, black people are too stupid to vote for me. it's also true that nobody knows what's going to happen in an election. this year, with four days left, it is especially true. this is unprecedented voter enthusiasm. 29 million americans have already cast their votes. in 2014 there were only 21 million early votes cast total. in some states, including texas, the early vote is smashing records, 213,000 first-time voters have already cast ballots
and the 30 texas counties, more people voted early in 2018 than voted at all in 2014. the lines to vote have also been long in georgia where more than 800,000 people voted early, and there's a jurj in turnout among black and hispanic voters. the early vote has also been 56% women. every pollster has to try to figure out what the electorate really could look like. the cook political report lists house 29 races as toss ups, 28 in republican-held districts, nine toss-ups in the senate. a shift of a couple percentage points could mean an enormous night for either party in either direction. some republicans are working hard to suppress the vote. eight states debuting new vote e id requirements this year, including north dakota where the law is forcing an estimated 5,000 native americans to get a new id card that lists street addresses, not the post office boxes many had been using for years in order to vote.
in dodge city, kansas county clerk debbie cox moved the city's only polling place from a central location in town, the civic center, to the expo center half a mile outside the city limits. the new location is not accessible via sidewalk, and there's no regular transportation there. when the aclu complained she forwarded the e-mail with a comment "lol." despite that, cox doesn't have to open a new polling place. brian kemp has embarked on what many see in the nation as one of the most aggressive efforts to suppress the vote. a judge today ordered him to lift barriers from more than 3,000 new u.s. citizens, more than 50,000 voter registrations remain stalled. with me to offer his perspective, he's been all around the country to get out the vote, bernie sanders, independent of vermont. senator, how are you feeling? >> well, i'm feeling good by sunday night we'll have been to 13 states, held 35 rallies and meetings.
there is a lot of enthusiasm out there, chris. >> how do you think about this election day and how do you think about what -- who needs to come out and how you -- what your best case scenario for what happens on tuesday? >> i'm not much into speculation, we'll know the results soon enough. but what i would say, without being -- without overstating it, is i think this is the most important midterm election in the history of our country. what we are fighting for is not democrat versus republican. you're fighting for the future of american democracy. you're fighting against a president who has the base, the political process, is a pathological liar, who is trying to divide the american people up based on where we come from, the color of our skin, our sexual orientation, or religion. unprecedented. and it is absolutely imperative
that we have the largest voter turnout in a midterm election in american history. four years ago, very low turnout, republicans won a sweeping victory. we need a massive turnout. i'll tell you, who must be coming out, young people and working people, people who can't make it on eight or nine bucks an hour, people who have no health care, people who are worried about the future of our planet if we don't combat climate change. women who demand to control their own bodies rather than having the government do it for them. the latino community and the immigrant community who are being hit hard and lied about every single day. we need a massive uprising in this country of people coming out and voting, and ending this terrible one-party rule which now exists in washington. >> it's been interesting to watch the way the democrats have run and we've been covering a whole bunch of races.
it was summarized today as democrats refuse to take trump's home stretch bait. what's striking is democrats have run as if they're running essentially against paul ryan, they've been running on basically we're going to protect medicare and social security, we're going to protect the affordable care act, which they tried are repeal, the tax cuts went to rich folks. they haven't been focusing on what makes donald trump odious to so many voters. what do you think about that strategy? >> i think it's not an either/or. i think you cannot ignore the ugliness of what is taking place in the white house. and i think that there are a lot of conservative republicans who would disagree with somebody like me on every issue, who understand that it is hard to raise their kids in a nation when you have a president who lies all of the time and who is essentially a bully. so i think, you know, you cannot ignore who trump is and what he is doing.
on the other hand, it certainly is not good enough just to run an anti-trump campaign. we have got to be talking about health care for every man, woman and child. in my view, through a medicare for all system. you've got to be talking about raising the minimum wage to a living wage, $15 an hour. you've got to be talking about climate change and the transformation of our energy system. you have to be talking about the demand that the wealthy and large corporations, at a time when we have massive income and wealth inequality start paying their fair shares on taxes, it's good policy and good politics. >> you've been in politics for a long time. you've won races, you've lost races, you know that politics bean bag as the saying goes, you get nasty down the stretch. have you ever seen anything quite like what this president is doing in this moment. >> no, i have not, you have not, and nobody in this country has. you know, and it doesn't give me
any pleasure, chris, to define him as a pathological liar. you know, i have conservative friends who are not liars. to talk about -- to talk about this president as somebody who is trying to divide our people up when you will remember, remember after 9/11 george bush very conservative president he went to a mosque to say this was not an attack by muslims, it was an attack by a handful of terrorists. do you remember that? >> yes. >> this guy is something different who will say anything, do anything in order to gain power. and while he's dividing us up, he's busy giving huge tax breaks to the rich and trying to throw millions of people off the health insurance that they have. so i think it is imperative that we rally the american people, not only against trump, but around a progressive agenda which demands the government
works for all of us, not just wealthy campaign contributors. >> all right, senator bernie sanders, thanks for making a little time tonight. >> my pleasure. joining me now, nbc news political analyst, charlie cook, editor and publisher of the legendary cook political report. if there has been a late nudge toward democrats, that piece right there, what evidence do you see of that? >> we're talking to all kinds of pollsters, consultants on both sides and watching a lot of data. and what we saw was there was one reality last summer, then we saw the kavanaugh fight move things over towards republicans. and it looks like maybe after pittsburgh we've seen it come back, not pre-kavanaugh, but back towards that general direction. and as you said at the top of the show there's so many really close races out there that just a half a point, one point makes a big difference in a bunch of seats. >> i've got to say, i have no idea what's going to happen
tuesday night. no one else really does. and we are in pretty genuinely uncharted territory, who will be this electorate on tuesday night. >> we're looking at drk -- take the house for example, it's going to be 20 and 50, between, democratic net gains. it's probably going to be between 30 and 40, you know 35. so it would get democrats a gavel. it gets them able to schedule a floor. but not -- you know, anything under 46 is not enough -- it's not as many seats as republicans have today. and they've had a hard time getting anything done. >> to push back on that, a polling error in the direction, and we saw polling errors correlated, that was the problem with the midwest in 2016, correlated among certain populations in certain areas, a systematic polling error three points in either direction, massively changes those outcomes. >> right, but the polls that were so wrong were wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania.
national polls, you'll look at the average, nine tenths off. that was like 2012, when they showed the obama/romney race closer. >> we're in all these districts and one of the things that's also been true, true in 2006, true in 2010 particularly as this sense that things tend to break all in one way. >> right, right, right. >> you've got 30 toss-up matches in the house, eight in the senate, four completely deadlocked. you tend to see on election night things moving one way, direction or the other. >> right. but again, we were sort of led astray, a lot of public polls in state -- the campaign polling, the stuff that republican/democrat pollsters are doing, it's pretty sophisticated and it's not what people are picking up on the internet. and it's -- >> so you think they have, in those campaigns and in those contested races -- >> republican and democratic consultants are seeing numbers that are suggesting that this
thing's moved back -- >> towards democrats. >> right, right. now, most campaigns have stopped polling. >> right, at this point. >> yeah, because at a certain point it's curiosity. it's not actionable. but we were seeing some movement towards the end that made us suggest that things were getting back towards where they were pre-kavanaugh, at least in the house, not the senate. >> yeah, sort of two different elections, obviously because the terrain they're being run on. is there like a bellwether house seat you're looking at, this will tell us a lot about how the night goes? >> not any one. but look at a basket of some virginia, new jersey, pennsylvania races, and we'll -- i think we'll get a sense early in the evening, not -- just the general trajectory, are democrats likely to clear 23, or likely to come up short, if they're going over 20, is it way
up or not? we'll get an idea early. and there are also plenty of -- you know, like five key statewide races early in the evening, the georgia and florida governor's race, the ohio governor's race, indiana, joe donnelly's senate race, plenty of signs early in the evening to give us an idea of what direction the evening is going. >> these senate races, when you look at arizona, indiana, missouri, i'd probably throw montana in there too, and then outer range, sort of tennessee, you're looking at a bunch of senate races pretty close, within the margin of error. >> right. in tennessee, i think the public polls, i mean, it's close, and it's moved since kavanaugh. it's moved over towards republicans some but i think the private polling is a lot closer than the five, six, seven multiple -- >> that's interesting. another place where early voting has been very, very high in tennessee. of course, we don't know who in the house, but very high in
memphis, particularly. >> absolutely. >> charlie cook, thank you for being with us tonight. the president's toxic closing tactics backfiring, with some of the voters he needs to turn out on tuesday, that's next. und) ♪ ♪ und) (bicycle bell sound) ♪ ♪ (bicycle bell sound) ♪ ♪ explore more with a guaranteed 4pm checkout at over 1,000 fine hotels and resorts. it's another way we've got your back. ♪ ♪ the platinum card from american express. don't live life without it.
sense? >> no, that makes no sense at all. what the hell are you talking about? that was last night in missouri, and that, well, can only be described as xenophobic idiocy, racist fear mongering before election day. president trump thinks this tactic will win voters. people in the room sure seem to like it. growing evidence that other voters, and not just committed democrats are increasingly turned off by trump's rhetoric. "new york times" reported backlash coming from suburban republicans, especially women, who like the policies, but recoil on president trump's language. chris jansing spoke with the voters in orange county, california. >> you both have been registered republicans. >> yes. >> yes. >> you're an independent now. >> e yes.
>> democrat. >> what made you flip? >> trump. >> what specifically? >> well, i was horrified by what he's like. and he doesn't seem to have respect for people. he seems to be very self-centered. so that and the fact that republicans wouldn't stand up. that was my hope, i really thought republicans would stand up for themselves, and for our country. so i wouldn't have to worry about trump and that has proven not to be true. >> here to discuss the backlash to trump's rhetoric, democratic strategist ayesha moody mills. every house official will anonymously tell a reporter if we're talking immigration, we're winning, we like this, we love this, this is our closing message. there are costs to that message, it strikes me. >> yeah, the thing we're not -- well, the thing that we should be talking about, the fact that even though he thinks he's motivating his base, a small group of rabid racist people, he's also motivating the
democrats. he's motivating the independents who are not interested in this kind of hate mongering and these dog whistles and this racism. what i think is going to be the backlash and what's not going to pay off for them is the fact that donald trump is going to rile up a couple of people to come and vote for his candidates, but everyone else is coming out to vote against him, like we saw that lady say and that will play to the democrats' favor. >> yeah, i mean, i hope that's the case. >> you're more worried about this. >> i think, look, i think there is -- without a doubt, trump is not just motivating people to vote. he's motivating people to motivate other people to vote. >> yes, right. >> it's really about the depth of allegiance. i -- i'm hardened by the fact that in that report the woman said i thought the republicans were going to act as some type of a bulwark against trump and they clearly have not, they're clearly part and parcel of the same. so maybe i can understand that. but, you know, it's not like we
didn't know who donald trump was two years ago. >> that's the thing. >> and that this stuff is particularly new -- >> that's right. >> and innovative from him. maybe the idea that republicans -- you can't trust republicans because this is actually who they are, that may motivate some of those people in those suburbs. >> the bet he made in 2016, which bore out, the bet they're making again is republicans are going to come home in the end. they may not like it, they may complain. but in the end they're going to come home to the republican party and they're going to come home to donald trump no matter how disgusting the rhetoric is. that's the bet they're making. >> yeah, and now we have literally blood on their hands, right now we have donald trump's rhetoric and all the things that he's saying inciting violence among white supremacists, literally we have 11 jewish people who are dead right now because this guy's inspired by the kind of person that donald trump is and the kind of people he associates himself with. i think that what voters are
seeing, they're saying we don't want to be associated with this kind of evil. it's political sport, yeah, the democrats and their health care or whatever. now we're actually talking about a leader who's inciting violence and people are dying as a consequence of it. >> yeah, i mean, i hope that's the case, and i like to think it is the case, and there's also, you know, they may have been -- those republicans who came home, a lot of them came home for two reasons, the supreme court and tax cuts. >> right. >> and they managed to get those two things. >> well, they also came home -- the other thing is they came home because of hillary clinton and how they felt about the hillary clinton and the comey letter. part of the thing that trump is trying to re-run the script from 2016, a forced choice between him and hillary clinton, this election is a thumbs up or thumbs down on him. >> yeah. >> heroe's the thing, if tax cus were such a big deal, they'd be running on it. barack obama said that earlier today. they'd have campaign ads --
>> they have them. >> but it's not a fundamental part of their core message. >> it has not been. >> the other thing that's backfiring is that it was all good and fine when it was just, oh, well, we don't want people coming over our borders. you're talking about taking children from their parents, that's not sitting well with anybody. we're yanking children out of the arms of parents. we're trying to talk about people who are coming here in need and despair as if they're malicious, not boding well. >> and i agree with you, to a certain extent with the tax cuts it could be dog chasing -- catching the car, essentially on some level, why it's not salient. >> yes, they got them. >> it's already there. >> right. >> what do you doing for me next? the other thing that's disturbing, that makes me nervous, i look at north dakota and the idea that the kavanaugh hearings and the way -- i mean, if you look at the tape of kramer out there in the way that he handled himself, i mean, to walk away watching his response
to what was going on during that time and say, oh, this is going to -- >> help me. >> increase his lead by ten points is unimaginable. it makes me feel like the way that i react to things may not be the way that a significant portion of the country does. >> sam seder, i think that's a fair think to think. >> one likes to think that there are certain thresholds are our fellow americans will say hey, wait a second, 12,000 troops on the border to deal with parents and kids who are two months away by foot? that's absurd. there's no way that's going to garner my support. but i think we're going to find out in a couple of days whether or not that's who -- >> in some ways that's what's so crucial about this vote. i mean, it's a ratification of this strategy down the stretch. it's a bunch of other things in terms of who actually controls government. but in terms of what our politics look like, the really -- i mean, it's really been disgusting, no other word for it. >> it's a clarifying moment for
which way -- >> the districts at play, the 60 districts, the swing districts at play, those are districts where it's not north dakota. >> it's not right, yeah. >> those are the districts where mothers in particular are saying i don't want to turn on the television because my 5-year-old is in the room and this guy is really disgusting, this is not the moral compass or the moral center i believe in, and it changes the dynamics. in 2020 you have people of color who are riled up right now who may not all sit in those districts by they're looking at what's happening in georgia and florida and the hateful ray racist robocalls, all donald trump endorsed, saying we're going to vote in our districts based on what we're seeing. >> thank you very much. up next, a white nationalist steve king running scared in iowa with no calvalry to save
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steve king is having a run of it this time around. prominent republicans after years of turning a blind eye, started disavowing him. his democratic opponent jd schullton is within a point of king in the latest poll and he is raking in hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, against that backdrop that king is finally going up with his first tv ad. he is joining the fight on television four days out.
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things. >> former president barack obama, one of the few people making an explicit case about the staggering amounts of corruption surrounding the trump administration. the white house is worried interior secretary ryan zinke broke federal rules. the interior department watchdogs several probes for a criminal investigation. zinke is hardly alone in this administration, might be why the daily beast reports trump aides are scared of investigations if the house flips. to discuss the various strands of corruption throughout his administration, msnbc political contributor ben rhodes. it was interesting to watch president obama make that point because if you go to the house races and the senate races the president's corruption has largely been absent. but it's clearly somewhat personal to president obama. >> yeah. chris, look, we had, you know, fake scandals, years of full my
nates about the irs when we see all the time here in this administration deep embedded corruption. and just as people take the cue from trump on hate speech, frankly this is how trump operates, it's pay to play, it's corrupt. you saw that at the epa, you see it at the interior department now, we see it at hhs where officials are willing to serve trump are people who are out for themselves. >> yeah, do you think there is a connection that a rule gets sent or a sort of benchmark gets set down, tom price had to resign under scandal, scott pruitt had to resign under scandal. zinke's days are short. you think that comes from them saying we can get away with this because the president gets away with it. >> it's how they operate, how trump does things. we talked on this show about saudis, how jared kushner approaches his relationship with mohammad bin salman. this administration has a bunch of grifters, and not very competent. they're running very important departments of the american
people, the interior department, how our land is managed, the epa, how the clean air and water we breathe and drink is managed, the hhs department literally looks after your health care. we've got people who are in these offices doing these jobs that should be about taking care of the american people who are lining their pockets just like they've seen trump and his family do throughout their time in public and private life. >> how much does it matter who controls congress? you say they're not that competent. in some ways they have gotten away with it. price got pushed out and pruitt got pushed out. got a lot done while they were there. zinke's still in position. what does congressional control mean for that. >> this is an overwhelming opportunity for democrats. if you have subpoena power you can compel documents, you can compel testimony, you can compel a spotlight on all this corruption and the republicans know that. that's going to matter not just for the next two years, it will matter to the presidential election in 2020. this is what people know is that this will shape the political dynamic heading to 2020 if the
story is about their corruption. >> that's interesting to me because we've had a lot of corruption and that's not been the culminating story down the stretch. you think that the house control is a major sort of toggle in that, that if the democrats control the house that will drive that story more? >> 100%, chris. you know, there's a lot of complaints about the media, what do they cover, they follow the caravan. the media loves a good congressional investigation and oversight story. >> you know that firsthand, yeah, right. >> i know it firsthand. when congress can compel documents they can keep the stories going, breathe oxygen into it. frankly, this is like shooting fish in a barrel finding corruption in the trump administration. there's lots of opportunities from zinke to the epa to the relationship with the saudis. i think democratic chairs of committees are going to have a lot of work to do if the democrats take back the house. that's going to shape the political dynamic of this country in the presidential election. that's going to matter a lot to who gets elected in 2020. >> final question, which is slightly off topic, but since i have you here, it's in the news
today, the president has mobilized these troops to go to the border, it's 5,000, up to 15,000, inclear, reporting today that the pentagon has shot down, to use a metaphor, a request from dhs to compel law enforcement, et cetera. what do you make of that? >> this is unprecedented use of military for a political stunt. there's no mission for them down there in the reality. this is not the finest trained military, what they're supposed to be doing, engaging in this kind of border enforcement. it's not necessary to deal with a caravan that's a thousand miles away. it's not necessary to deal with asylum seekers, not necessary even to secure the border. that's why we have border patrol. the pentagon has been given a mission that frankly it isn't built to carry out. people should keep a careful eye after election day what these troops are doing. it will quickly become apparent how much of a political stunt this is when they're down there
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we don't have thing one, thing two, we just have this one thing, and it's bad. everywhere you look there are yard signs and sometimes u unfortunately people do bad things to yard signs. fortenberry is running for election, and someone vandalized fortenberry's signs, some went and posted it on facebook. they covered the congressman real eyes with ridiculous oversized googly eyes, a piece of white tape was applied to tender the "o" in his name to an
"a," resulting in a juvenile joke about flatulence. you can decide for yourself if that kind of thing is funny to you. i know i've made my decision. down there at the bottom it says strong families, strong communities, strong odor. that would be a reference back to the part where his name was changed to fartenberry, maybe if you have a sense of humor, you chuckle and click the like button. one of the people who liked it is a college professor, and he got a phone call from the united states capital, kmang fortenberry's chief of staff, and he was not happy. when he couldn't reach cohen, arner e-mailed the chair of the political science department,
then the dean. cohen and -- they spoke on the phone for an hour. >> you're going through and seeing what i have liked on my private -- >> what you're liking -- >> on my private facebook page. >> what you're liking is vandalism. >> no, it's not. >> yes, it is. >> how do we know that the thing that i clicked on, how do i know that that's actually something that happened in the world rather than a photo shop? >> you don't. you are trying to manipulate the dynamic of the conversation. and frankly, we have a first amendment opportunity to basically put you out there in front of everybody and put this clearly as why is a professor like willing vandalism? we can do that publicly. would you like that? that's our first amendment right too. >> i think it would be a
terrible idea for you if i'm being perfectly honest. >> how so? >> because the optics of this are terrible, reyn. >> my name is not reyn, it's reyn. >> my apologies. let me go with dr. archer, that will be easier. >> that's the chief of staff to a current united states congressman to threaten a college professor for liking a photo on facebook. yeah, i'd say that's bad optics. why didn't you book your family vacation
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biggest story of the trump era is the massive day after th inauguration when millions participated in women's marches, to the record number of women running for office in this year's elections, earlier today i got to sit down with three women who have been with the women's movement for decades to get their unique perspective on this moment. >> we're a few days away from an election, and it feels like this year women's political activism is the driving story. how does it feel to you as women who have watched many fluctuations in femmism in america this year? >> in my very long life, this is the most enthusiasm i've ever seen. >> really? >> absolutely. absolutely. i've never seen anything like it. and i've never seen so much
worry about the process of voting. so the good news is the activism and the consciousness and the anger and the caring, and the bad news is what's going to happen to them at the polls. >> you would say that the activism, you know, the degree to which people are mobilized is more than even the sort of peak iconic moments in the 1960s? >> much more. remember that that -- that was huge consciousness and activism and the wake of it was about maybe a third of the country. now it's the majority of the country, and certainly the majority of women. but there is a third of the company that is opposed to losing their old higherarchical dynasty and they're mad and they're restricting the vote in many cases. >> you've been doing a lot of stuff on this ground. >> i have. >> you have been out there. i wonder what it looks like. >> i spent a lot of time in michigan the last two years with lily tomlin, trying to get a measure on the ballot for one
fair wage that would raise the minimum wage to $12 and include tipped workers in that which is unusual. >> carved out in minimum wages. >> right. and we did it. we got it on the ballot, and then the republican legislature took it off the ballot and voted it into law, making it very clear that they would gut it after the election. and they did it as a form of subtle voter suppression. >> they were scared of it. >> yeah. they knew the people who were unlikely voters would be coming to the polls to vote themselves a raise, so they took it off. so i was with taraji p. henson and patrice cullers traveling all over michigan talking to people about this and the importance of going to the polls. and the people seemed energized. people are woke. every woman i know is asking me where do we go, how do we get out the vote, how do we canvas. i don't know anybody that's not involved. >> that's the encouraging part. you know, i was thinking about
this last night at the awards, at the -- because obviously we're very proud of the women's media center. it's 11 years and well, grown hugely and stuff. but i was thinking there are literally two factors now in this country on which democracy itself depends. a ripple effect in the negative on the right wing. and one of those factors is a free, strong press are. and the other factor is the rising visible political force of women. both of which we're seeing in this country. and i got suddenly so proud because i realized the women's media center stands right at that intersection. >> there is an interesting thing happening representationally right now. in both those spheres. so in media, the "new york
times" had this piece about sort of the me too movement and all these powerful men who have been, you know, have lost their positions and often replaced with women. >> right. >> so there is a sort of representational change happening slowly but surely. and its same thing at the candidate level. >> that's right. >> you are just seeing more women candidates than we've ever seen before. >> it's not only -- i worried as an old organizer that after the women's march it might fade. people think i marched, i had a pussycat hat and then i go home. but sustaining it is always the hard part. but not only did they sustain it, people have been adding to it. the teachers who are walking off, you know, in state after state, 80% of teachers are women. the high school movement, anti-guns and so forth, over half women. one fair wage is basically women. >> if you go to any democratic -- >> and there are guys involved, and they're terrific. but it really is for the first
time women's leadership. and it's continuing. women who are just too damn pissed off at this point. >> one of the things we know is economics is at the root, health care and economics. people are having to work, i don't care about what the paper says wages, people are having to work two and three jobs and are still below the poverty line, and most of them are women and it's unconscionable. a lot of the millennials are going to the polls because they know if they don't, they're going to be having to live with the consequences longer that we will. >> one of the consequences, i haven't had the chance to talk to you since the kavanaugh nomination. one of the consequences is there is this majority on the supreme court and a real question about roe's future. how did you feel watching the kavanaugh confirmation play out? >> well, obviously he was somebody that was not even on the first list of candidates. he was there because he believes in the power of the presidency over the supreme court.
he was there for a specific purpose. but obviously i believe the accusations against him. but even if you didn't. >> right. >> if you saw him on television, refusing to let his wife talk, or she sat there the entire time, and finally the interviewer asked her a question, and he answered. i mean, she opened her mouth. >> nothing came out. he honed right in. >> that says it all, right? the one thing worse than having him on the supreme court is to be married to him. >> but clearly, it lit a fire, a prairie fire. >> do you think it did? there was all this talk oh, this is really energizing republicans because they think he is being treated unfairly. >> well, i don't know how they can think he was treated unfairly, but we don't woent do there. that involves logic. there were women on street corners talking to each other about it, furious. absolutely furious. there are two new best sellers out about women and rage, being
not afraid to be angry anymore, and what a progressive political force women's anger has been this you look at the real history. so yeah, i think the kavanaugh hearing, and i'm an eternal optimist. i'm thinking well, maybe we can teach him once we have a little power, anybody. but starting with kavanaugh and maybe moving on to other people. >> how do you -- i know a lot of people who have had a very hard time emotionally with the last few years. it's exhausting. it's exhausting, even if you don't do it every day for a living, just being a citizen. you guys have been in the fight for a while. how do you -- what do you tell people who feel -- >> that's what you do. you stay in the fight. >> yeah. >> i remember right after the 2016 election, i felt like i had been run over by a truck. we had to go to atlanta and speak to 1600 women. it was hard. >> was it like the day after? >> yeah. and then i went to standing
rock, and i was renewed. when you're actually doing something that you know can make some kind of difference, it really helps. it really helps. and being in community with other people, mostly women. >> that learn from ozone watch other. >> that's the key. you only despair if you're alone. but as soon as you're together, you reinforce each other. and it actually becomes boring not to do it. >> it's like value added. but the other thing is when we say this is the most important, you know, election, and some people we've been saying that for the last decade. but this is, and it's true for comparisons with the '60s and '70s, this time the clock is ticking on the planet. and that's a different thing all together. we've got to really wake up and be very serious now because it's not as though people can grow into this and take their time developing it and there is a
real. >> existential crisis. >> thank you. >> right there. >> and the environment does not change back, no matter what the so-called president says risks you hopeful? >> yes. because hope is a form of planning. i mean, you can't let them take your hope away. that's the energy. >> yeah. >> that's what they want to do is take the hope away. so we will not permanent that. >> hope is activism. >> yeah. >> and if our hopes weren't already real inside us, we couldn't even hope them. >> it's the necessary precondition to making the world better. >> i imagine about waking up in the morning and filing good about things and going out on the street and seeing people smile at each other and give each other high-fives and see kids running around and old people sitting on benches and laughing and spontaneous circle dances breaking out and realizing oh my god, it's november 7th. we need to imagine it to get back to that place, or forward to that place. >> well, there is no one better
to give this kind of advice than you. thank you very much for making time. >> thanks for what you do, chris. >> everything you do all the time. >> yes. >> jane fonda, gloria stein millennium and robin morgan. >> that is all "all in" this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. >> that was awesome, chris. >> some real legends there. >> i'm not sure i would be able to hold my own in that same company let alone accept the compliments at the end. >> i just listened mostly. >> well, it was great. well done. thanks. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. happy to have you with us there. is a lot to get to tonight. and because it's friday, for all the other things it, it's friday. and as we have learned in this era, anything can happen on a friday night at any moment. so it's good that your here. no matter how the elections go on tuesday night, there are a few things we know to expect pretty much as soon as the elections are over. in electoral politics, for example, one of the things