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significant number of troops from syria. now, these two officials tell us that the white house could announce this as soon as today. i have asked the folks here at the white house if and when we might hear something about this. they're not giving us any indication, but this is what the president tweeted, hallie, and this does seem to signal what he is thinking and where his mind is right now. he tweeted -- we have defeated isis in syria, my on reasonable for being there during the trump presidency. so all but walking up to the possibility that he will be withdrawing a significant number of troops. there's just over 500 troops, that's the official number, but privately defense officials have indicated it's really much higher than that, over 2,000. why is this significant? this was part of thinks campaign promise to start to draw down u.s. troops abroad.
part of his america first foreign policy. it has been motor with some criticism today with u.s. allies expre expressing concerns that withdrawal could bolster militant. there have been tensions between the united states and turkey as of lay, so this announcement will not be without controversy and without criticism. when specifically might we hear specifics? that remains to be seen, hallie. >> i know you'll stay on top of it. also joining us is richard engel in our loaned everyobureau. >> this is a very significant moment. there are many allies who will see this as a great american betray betrayal. what is happening right now, when you look at the president's
tweet, when you look at statements to nbc news by military officials, this administration, the president, is going into the holidays and taking a mission accomplished moment, saying the u.s. under president trump defeated isis, so now it's time to withdraw a significant portion of the u.s. troops in syria out of the country, out of the harm's way, if not all of the troops. on a certainly level isis has been pushed back. it hasn't been entirely defeated, but it has been pushed back. u.s. military officials say the fight against isis and syria isn't over. then there's the other problem about our allies that we've been fighting with in sir use. we have had the u.s. military has had a very close ally, this is a kurdish-led force that's been fighting hand and glove
with the u.s. troops. they have lost thousands of men, thousands of women fighters have been on the front lines in the last four years fighting alongside u.s. troops. they've carved out a successful mini-state right on the turkish border. with the u.s. troops leading, that mini-state would be at risk. turkey has already said it wants to invade it. not only is the fight not quite over, according to the u.s. envoy, according to military commanders i've been speaking with, it also puts this very close ally that sacrificed so much for the united states in a position of probably unsustainable peril. >> richard, big picture here, this is another example of president trump taking one view, his own military taking another, and this conflict or clash that
we have seen before on other issues related to the military and this administration. >> this almost happened about six months ago. that's when i went into this region in northern syria. the troops on the ground, the kurdish-led partners on the ground were very concerned, because president trump six months ago was make statements like the war against isis was finished, it's time to leave the area, the u.s. no longer has any purpose in being there. the military pushed back. there were a lot of private conversations, a lot of people talking to the president, those around him say, look, i notice you're the commander in chief, sir, but you might want to consider this. we're not quite finished with the war on isis, our allies will be destroyed by the turks. this time, with that tweet, with the numbers of comments we have seen right out of the gate this
morning, it doesn't seem like the white house is willing to back off again. >> that is for sure. richard engel, we will look for your reporting on nbc news later on tonight. members of congress are watching for developments on on that, and also with the shutdown countdown? at just about 60 hours, garrett haake has his sneakers changing down folks there. peter alexander is at the white house north lawn. garrett, you have new reporting on how we might actually avoid a shutdown. >> it sounds like we'll get the lowest common denominator here, hallie. rather than passing the seven spending bills or a big deal on the wall, it appears they'll pass a cr, a continuing resoluti resolution, which allows these
government agents to spend the same money they have been spending into the new year. the question in the air is only how long the cr would go. it sounds like probably into the first or second week in february, extending the deadline through the hole dales at least. it allows the house of representatives to get stood up until democratic control, and allows the president to figure out a way to declare victory in what essential is a defeat. congress members were saying this is basically the way we're going to go. he is john kennedy. >> i think we want to do a cr, but i don't know how president trump feels about it. >> reporter: that is the open question, and it tees up peter. the president has not been a fan of the crs in the past. >> who likes the cr? they're like the worst, just a thing that they do because they can't come to a deal.
>> reporter: right. it's at admission they can't do the rest of their jobs. the question is, will the president get behind this? >> garrett tees up peter nicely. >> reporter: thanks, garrett. >> where does president trump stand? >> reporter: with a thanks to garrett and senator kennedy there, we are still waiting to hear whether the president would support a short-term spending keel. we heard from kellyanne conway, her quote was we will look at that certainly. we do know the white house that is signaled a tweet from the additional demand that the congress give him the he additional money for the wall. he separately wrote mexico is paying indirectly through the
usmca, the trade deal that's yet to be signed. far more money coming into the u.s. because of the tremendous dangers at the border, including large criminal inflow. the u.s. military will build the wall. simply put, that's a stretch. first of all, congress has yet to sign off on the deal. if they do and if it goes through, it would generate more business presumably for american companies. the presumption is those companies would generate more profit, presumably pay more taxes. the only way the u.s. treasury is getting more money is if u.s. companies, american taxpayers, are paying more. it's also worth comparing it to the president's past repeated promises with kellyanne conway's push back this morning? take a look. >> i know you like to just talk about a wall, because somehow
you have stuck it in your polling and this is a negative road. this is about everybody's business. this has to be nonpartisan. this is about border security. >> she said that we, the media, likes to render to it as a wall. the white house concerned about the optics, trying to make sure they're not backing down from what kellyanne conway calls an essential promise. >> breaking news as occurred, and garrett haake has been checking out his phone. mitch mcconnell now confirming there will be a short-term solution. bring us up to speed. >> reporter: he just said he will introduce a cr today.
the end been will be february 8th, getting us through the state of union. nowhere when we would vote on it, but this is the thing that criminal justice reform being the last big thing on the senate's plate before the holiday, passing tonight. they could even get this done today if everyone agrees to move forward. the senate can move quickly when they want. there's no time right before the holidays. >> for sure, the christmas spirit. thanks to both of you, much appreciated. let me bring in now on set. david happe, jim kessler, gabby orr, and ken wuggle. let's start with the breaking news. still speak right now. does this in essence, dave, i'll
start with you. if he introduces this, what is the president going to do? say no? >> i think the first step is there's probably been some communication we don't know about between the majority leader and the president. that does not say the president will sign it, but it is a place where they feel it's the greatest opportunity tots 60 votes in the senate if needed and the majority in the house. so it is a first step, but i wouldn't call it a final. we have to wait for some things. >> the towel was just thrown in. >> jake sherman i think described it on pbs as the last-gasp chance for the president and the republicans to get the wall money. it seems that has turned into a death rattle. >> and let's be honest, a lot of
congressional republicans weren't that enthusiastic, or else it would have passed at least one house. >> trump has sort of taken himself our game and left mitch mcconnell and the republicans in congress to carry the ball, with mixed signals on what he wanted. >> now the motto is who will build the artistically designed -- that was not what he said on the campaign trail. >> the senate -- stephen miller was sent out and then the press secretary that, no, we're open to other areas. >> i want to play a bit of that, of the president, you know
kellyanne says you focus on the wall, but here's what her boss sa said. >> i would build a great wall. nobody builds better walls than me. we have no choice. build that wall, build that wall, build that wall. we're going to get it we already have started. >> we still have a security issue we have not solved. you can call it a fence. a fence is simply an inadequate wall, but there's other things technically they can do. high-tech things they can use, but we have not solved the border security problem. ent we do that, this fight will continue. it probably has to be a combination of the things people are talking about. >> do you think this push is good for the democrats? >> border security is a place
where democrats and republicans agree. there's 16,000 people odd boo border now. this is something they can agree upon. the wall is something they can't agree on, throw in the towel, it's over. later we'll see another congressional speaker speak for the last time. paul ryan set to deliver his farewell speech. there's been a lot of discussion about what his legacy will be. he gets asked a lot about the guy in the white house. he's been consistent. >> i typically don't comment on the tweet of the hour. i didn't see his interview. i decided i'm not going to comment on the tweets of the day or the hour. i haven't seen them all. >> forget about what you see. >> every morning i wake up and i scroll twitter to see which tweets i'll have to pretend i
did not see later on. >> will history prove that was the right strategy for paul ryan? >> i think it was a strategy made out of the desire to achieve certainly goals. they achieved one -- fundamental tax reform. they knew that when that was the first thing they wanted done, is to get the economy moving and growing at 3% or more. >> he wanted something far more comprehensive. >> did they get everything he wanted? of course not. but he got a fundamental change in the tax code that is very important, has brought more growth to the economy, getting rid of a lot of the regulations. we had the obama administration saying you couldn't grow more than 2 purse. paul ryan had a lot to do with
those. >> dave hoppe, thank you. i'm going to ask you to hang out a bit longer. without talk of a shutdown, there was a rare moment of bipartisanship on capitol hill, the senate moving to overhaul the criminal justice system. what is in the bill, who it will affect and who gets the win in the white house for that? speaking of justice for criminals, what is next for michael flynn? a federal judge says the former national security adviser sold out his country. out his country.
jared kushner played a key role. i called him last night. he did more to line up republicans on the right than anyone else, and he deserves credit for it. that's democratic senator dick durbin dishes out some praise after a rare moment of bipartisan legislating. they passed that big criminal justice reform bill. garrett, this is a significant step, but all indications point to this.
>> reporter: you just can't ignore the enormous bipartisan majorities that this bill has gotten on both sides of the aisle. and dick durbin you heard there, the credit goes to an interesting cast of characters. jared kushner, hakeem jeffries on the house side, chuck grassley, the republican chairman of the justice committee, and then a -- allied with jared kushner. it does quite a lot to reform federal sentencing guidelines, it eases up on the three strikes rule, allows inmates to earn more credit for time off. keeps them closer to their family, and the opposition was fairly vocal. tom cotton was dug in, usually
has the president's backing, did nots on this, and the result is what you saw last night, an overwhelming bipartisan victory. >> thank you, garrett. loretta lynch is talking to two house committees about the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. thesis there until subpoena, and you have adam schiff calls on michael flynn to testify before his committee. flynn has been ordered to surrender his passport after that blistering criticism from a judge yesterday. so what's next for him? let's bring in ken delaney, and maya wiley, senior vice
president for social justice at the news school. thank you to both. what is next for michael flynn? >> they'll reconvene in 90 days. they're -- that's the reasonable expectation. he came to course with a couple goals, one of which was to respond to that filing that flynn's lawyers made, suggesting that he was somehow trapped. he got him to admiss that yes, sir he -- but he was bothered by what he hadn't admitted to, the secret lobbying for turkey. the judge asked if he could be charged with treason? and the answer was no. he also wrongly suggested that
flynn had been taking money while at the white house. that wasn't true, but later he really expressed his displeasure with the idea that a high government official lied to the fbi. i took from that that judge sol van holds high government officials to a higher standard and it's very possible that despite the recommendation of probation, in three months' time we may see a jail sentence. >> do you agree with that assessment, maya? >> i do. it illustrates two very important things about the system, one that the judges are the decision makers. prosecutors can make their recommendations, but judges make independent decisions. sometimes lawyers make bad choices about strategy and judgment, you know, because i don't think there's any question
that the judge was really upset about this notion that there was contrition on the part of michael flynn, that he felt badly that he recognized he did something wrong if, in his sentencing memo from his attorneys, they were also asserting there was something wrong with how the fbi questioned him, and of course something that the white house that is grasped onto to make political arguments, not actually legal argument, but political arguments about the larger mueller investigation. another issue that i think the judge has clearly allowed time for is giving michael flynn more time to cooperate. >> michael flynn has already met with the team 19 times. what else does he have to offer? >> one interesting thing there will be to see if there's a trial on the two indictments that have been handed down. will he testify?
that will be a higher left of participation. i think your question is right. one of the ways the system works is prosecutors make judgments on how they move up the food chain in this case they're making a recommendation based on the value of the cooperation. remember that michael flynn, unlike a george papadopoulos or michael cohen, he entered into a cooperation agreement immediately and fully cooperated. if i read what the lawyers were trying to do in their memorandum is to say it is different, even if he is a bad guy. we'll leave it there. thank you both. another day, another scandal for facebook, after they first said they don't share their data, then they did, then they
wouldn't it be totally weird if it turned out spotify or netflix, fees that have nothing to do with facebook, to get ahold of your private messages on facebook? doesn't it sound boscers? yeah, but it happened. facebook gave 150 other companies way more access than it told you. amazon, sony and microsoft got your personal info through your facebook friends. it let spotify, netflix, even the royal bank of canada have the able to write and delete your messages. they deals between facebook and other companies go back as far as 2010, and as recently as this year. facebook sit your data was not actually used improperly, because those outside companies
were required to and did abide by facebook's policies, but facebook never told any of its users what was going on. all of that puts a rather damning spin on this comment from mark zuckerberg back in april when we promised we all have complete control over our data. >> we use the data that people put into the system in order to make the ads more relevant, which makes them more valuable. >> we're not controlling that data? >> no, you have complete control over that. >> joining me now is one of the reporters who broke that story, nick confessori. why does the company have such difficulty getting out ahead of this stuff. >> imagine in the early days of facebook when the company said,
look, the internet is a big place, but here's a private garden where you, your friends and family can exchange pictures, messages, show your kids' pictures. look, these are our friends, you can see your pictures, too. it does not operate the way you think it does. this share it as widely as they can, so you can have access to certain kinds of information on different platforms. >> we have heard from netflix and spotify, and netflix says at no time did we access he private messages. spotify said we have for evidence that spotify accessed any private information. they didn't seem to know they had the broad power that they had. >> if those statements are true, hallie, is facebook was turning on the hose for the data and didn't always now where it was
going. we went to them with different examples, and they said, they weren't sure if that data channel was open so you have to ask, if this is a company that is going to protect your information and knows what it's doing, how can they be so off the game on this stuff? >> it puts the onus on all of us. anybody who uses instagram or facebook, and that's the point that carey swisher is making, writing for now it's not clear what we can do except take control of our own individual news consumption. take the extra second to fact check, even if it confirms your worst impulses about something you hate. so in other words, see something, say nothing? we do have to police ourselves here, right? >> even the story makes the point that even though these
people who took the extra step, they were still sort of used and abused by facebook, our their data was, rather. that's a step further. most people don't even look at that. they just click accept on everything, and like the service or don't like the service, and base their decisions upon whether to use the service. now we see more and more that we have to take control of how -- what data we put out there and what we're consenting to. >> so we do. if we're looking to lawmakers to protect us, gabby, boy, is that a whoa other can of worms. what we have seen from these hears have been seemed to just not get it. they have suggested that if -- and then turning to congress and letting them do it. there was a clip back in september where chris cans and senator corker both said, you
know, you should take control, otherwise you will note like what congress does. >> so, nick, back to ken's point that it's up to us to protect ourselves, you have arguably the top tech reporter in the country, walt mossburg, who this week said he's signed off facebook and instagram. the values have diverged to the point where i'm no longer comfortable there. is that overstating it? >> it's right and it's wrong, hallie. in the absence of any -- at the federal level, yes, it is on you, and you're the only person who can guard your privacy, but that's a strange thing. it's like asking a customer in a coffee shop to go into a coffee shop, and it says, look, it coffee could be contaminated.
it could have poison. it's up to you to decide the coffee is safe. that's not how we usually do things for consumers in this country, but it's the basic model for privacy. >> nick, you're like an analogy machine this morning. thank you for breaking it down. i'm going to ask ken and gabby to stick around. much more to talk about, including an international fight for justice. one journalist killed by isis four years ago. the suspected killers are in custody. and his family is talking with our keir simmons, next. at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected
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bev an update on syria. senator lindsey graham, usually a friend of the white house, is blasting the decision to remove u.s. troops from syria. here is part of his statement that's just out -- if these media reports are true, it will be an obama-like mistake made by the trump administration. while patience may wane, the radical islamist passion to kim americans and our allies never wavers. defense secretary james matt is greeted mike pence at the pentagon. reporters tried to shout questions to both of them, but
neither answered. >> produce. the a legal one. james follow yes was behinded in august of 2014. the isis members have yet to be pull on trial. now james foley's family is fighting for justice. keir, what a remarkable interview. >> that's right, the case of what happened to her son may we be affected after the decision, look, this is a final by these american families for justice, their children are murdered in one of the most infamous killings in the isis story.
>> his name was james foley, a wash journali devoted to shining a spotlight on the world's wrongs. >> first it's an experience you can't really tell the world how bad it might be. >> reporter: today from this office, his mom battles to keep her son's name alive. >> jim would not want to be remembered for how he died, but rather how he lived and what he believed in. >> the first born of five from illinois, james' mom says he was all determined to help the disadvantage. >> he grew to be a great young man. i'm very proud of him. he was very passionate. he knew it was getting more and more dangerous. >> reporter: in 2014, aged just 40, he was the first of 27 people kid nan and killed on
camera by a gang of infamous torturers. four years later these men, allegedly members of the gang that killed james, have yesterday to face trial. british citizens were captured last january business kurdish forces by a u.s. ally. their fate may depend on president trump. in this interview, the wife of one of the accused says two members of the fbi came to talk to me, the fbi told me my husband was in and he will be taken to america. the families of the americans murdered would welcome that, but another option facing president trump is to make the men his first detainees at the gaunt tan month military detention center. >> british and american families are strongly against guantanamo, because they used the whole image of guantanamo in the
orange jumpsuits to mock us. >> two alleged isis members accused of emboldment in the killing of americans, still not brought to justice. these families have been let down in so many ways, hallie, for example, the british washed their hands of these men, withdrew their citizenship, so they are not likely to be extradited to britain, and yet diane foley says if they are convicted, she would not want them to see the death penalty, because she thinking that would simply turn them into martyrs. >> keir, thank you so much for sharing your reporting here. >> you bet. up next, another democrat putting himself into the mix for a white house run as other presidential potentials. one state down south makes a moving to protect the presents.
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>> is this why there's talk of you running for president? are you thinking about running for president? >> i'm thinking about it. >> me, you, him, my mom, to sta in iowa and was mentioned a few years ago by former president obama as a young democrat who could become a national star. meanwhile, the guy on the other side of the ticket, donald trump seems to be gearing up for a fight. "politico"'s got new reporting that the president is launching an unprecedented re-election machine streamlining his campaign into a single entity with the republican national committee. according to "politico," under the plan, which has been in the works for several weeks, the trump re-election campaign and the rnc will merge their field and fund-raising programs into a joint outfit dubbed trump victory. the two teams will also share office space rather than operate out of separate buildings as has been custom. joining me now the reporter behind that story, al exci, why
this so significant? >> it's interesting, no one has really done this as it relates to presidents who are running for re-election, and trump is doing something really new. what he's doing is he's take advantage of his control he has over the republican party, and he's essentially merging his campaign operation with the rnc, and he's going to give himself sort of a big head start as it relates to getting himself organized and ready to go for 2020. >> and it's not just that move, right? you talk about, alex, the control over the republican party. that extends down to south carolina where there's new reporting out today they're considering whether to cancel their primary altogether as a way to kind of protect the president? >> there are real concerns in the republican party about president trump's strength and organization headed into an election cycle when he is going to be besieged more than he is now by congressional investigations. let's not forget, in 2016 he won
in spite of his campaign. his campaign was a real shoe string operation. we all covered it. we were out there on the trail. i mean, it could barely do the basic functions of campaigning. now he has all this power. he's going to try to flip the script and try to sort of intimidate any potential challengers by saying, look at this show of force i have. >> do you think the campaign's in good hands with brad parskel? what does your reporting tell you? >> very close to the president, definitely has the president's ear. i can tell you he spent all day on friday at the white house, and of course that's the big question for anyone who's going to work for the president. we saw this over the last couple of weeks with the whole chief of staff shuffle. the question is who has the president's ear, who's close to him. >> and close to his family. >> absolutely. and parskel was brought in by jared kushner. >> let's talk dems. we mentioned michael bennett at the top, colorado, purple state, going to be really critical come 2020. how viable do you think he is as the nominee? i know it's really early to talk about it. >> 2020 predictions already? >> we keep adding to this thing.
eventually we're going to need like five tvs. >> nevada's a state the trump campaign wanted to win in 2016. they weren't able to pull that off. somebody like bennett would pose a significant threat to them in picking up that battleground state. he's somebody to keep an eye on. he's somebody who senior democrats, people have said are a significant, you know, candidate for this type of position for the presidency. it's just so early to tell, hallie. there's so many people. we're talking about this beto effort as well. >> "politico"'s writing about it. >> consider the fact there are old and young candidates emer emerging. >> there's also this idea with michael bennett, with all these other people, saying, listen, all of you guys got some real scrutiny coming your way. talking about the intense scrutiny of a presidential campaign. most of them have been vetted somewhat during prior runs for
office, but whatever scrutiny they received and whatever pressure they felt pales next to the spotlight of a presidential bid. >> and we saw this, remember back in 2016 that really crowded republican primary, and a lot of these guys just sort of fell by the wayside one by one by one. >> i was covering all of them, it was sniping them out as they were going along. >> it's a different ball game running for president. >> we do a segment on this show, your first time on set, so welcome, called sources say. you have told us what your sources are saying, so gabby, what story are you reporting on? what are you hearing from your sources about what's coming up? >> i'm taking a look back at secretary nielsen and what her future looks like with general kelly leaving the white house. she was named yesterday as one of the members of this delegation that will travel with president trump to davos later next month, but she's also seen as a package deal with general
kelly inside the white house. i spoke to two white house officials yesterday who said they're sort of uneasy about her future. >> that's interesting. ken, what are you working on? >> the chinese company huawei in the middle of a major dispute, trade dispute and espionage concerns, the u.s. government asked the canadians to arrest and extradite a top official there. the company has not had a huge lobbying presence in d.c. they're shopping for one, looking for lobbyists with close connections to trump, a lobbyist i talked to who was pitched on this turned it down saying i don't want that kind of heat. >> thank you, guys, all very much for coming on today. we will be right back with today's big picture.
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we are back ending as always with today's big picture, and this week we're wrapping up 2018, our last full week on the show with our top five big pictures of the year. so today wednesday, number three comes to us from northern california. you may remember this one. it was really striking. a firefighter pulling a water hose through california during the car fire. it was one of many fires in that state that ripped through parts of california destroying homes, deadly and dangerous, but through it all thousands of firefighters worked to save property and people. we give a shoutout to them today. stick with us all week long, for our top two pictures of the week. the photographer for the sacramento bee via the associated press. that does it for us this hour. headed to the white house where we expect much more action.
i'll see you online and nightly, and right here with kasie hunt in washington. >> i would like to add that was a chilling photograph that we remember, and it's great. >> it's important to remember those big stories of the year. good morning, everybody, from washington, d.c. i am kasie hunt in for craig melvin. deal or no deal? breaking news, a major development on a possible government shutdown. mitch mcconnell announced he's ready to vote to fund the government. plus, invasion of privacy. a new report found facebook gave companies far more of your information than it's ever admitted. and flynn's future, how will the court drama from flynn's delayed sentencing affect his future cooperation with robert mueller? and the cooperation of other witnesses? we're going to start with that breaking news on the government shutdown or perhaps lack thereof. president trump trying to reframe a defeat for his border wall as a victory today. any moment senate majority leader mitch mcconnell