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>> this is historic. regardless of who is in power or becoming speaker, the swearing in on a congress is a very big deal. the swearing of a congress for the second time with the only woman to ever be the speaker of the united states congress will take place in just a few moments. you will have katy tur to preside over it. it is fascinating to watch. anybody who is interested in our government, and that's a lot of folks, this is a great time. the democrats will have any control since the past eight years. they will use that. it's donald trump really facing a completely new reality that he has never faced before. this is the beginning. it will be a wild 2019. you thought 2018 was crazy. it will be even nuttier. let's reset for everybody. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and
2:00 p.m. on capitol hill where in moments nancy pelosi is expected to officially resume her role as the first female house speaker in american history. members were voting. they seemed to have stopped now and they are not quite done yet. when they are, pelosi will speak. when she is handed back the gavel, she will be the first politician to assume a second speakership in more than 60 years. she will preside over a monumental power shift in washington. with the president who has proven to be impossible to negotiate with. the shutdown is now in its 13th day. donald trump still wants his border wall. democrats still say no. >> are you willing to come up and give him some of this money for the wall? >> no. >> apparently that's the sticking point? >> no. >> no, no, no.
the shutdown could continue to be a problem for the president for a long time. democrats have promised to use their new majority to investigate donald trump from everything on his taxes to his family to any potential ties to russia. pelosi did not rule out indicting a sitting president. >> do you believe the special counsel should honor and observe the department of justice guidance that states a sitting president cannot be indicted? >> i do not think this is a conclusive. no, i do not. >> neither did she reject the proposal or prospect of impeachment. >> many democrats are talking about impeachment. you've said it would be sad and divisive for the country to pursue impeachment. >> it would be. >> are you willing to rule it out? >> we have to wait and see what happens with the mueller report. we shouldn't be impeaching for a political reason. >> with that it sounds like
illinois has received four. the honorable tammy duckworth has received 2. the honorable stacy abram of the state of georgia has received one. joseph biden of delaware has received 1. marsha mfudge of ohio has received one. joseph kennedy third of massachusetts has received one. john lewis of the state of a georgia has received one. thomas massey of the state of connecticut had received one. stephanie murphy of florida has received one. with three recorded as present, therefore, the honorable nancy pelosi of the state of california having received a majority of the votes cast is duly elected speaker of the house of representatives for the 116th congress. [ applause ]
jeffries. the gentlewoman from massachuset massachusetts, miss clark. mr. palmer. the gentleman from missouri, mr. smith. the members of the california delegation. miss waters, mr. calvert, miss loughlin, miss lee. mr. thompson. miss davis, mr. schiff. mr. mcnurney. mr. hunter, mr. mcclintock. miss bass. mr. bara. miss brownley. mr. cook. mr. hoffman. mr. loenthal, mr. ruiz.
>> nancy pelosi is once again officially the speaker of the house. she received 220 votes. some of those who were not going to vote for her, some who led the opposition to her ended up voting for her. seth molten is one of them. you might have heard this and you might have been wondering if you heard it right. there was one vote for joe biden. former vice president joe biden. this came from new york democratic representative anthony brendesi. he voted for biden. you don't have to be a house representative to be speaker of the house. let's bring in our guest who are here with us from the white house. nbc news correspondent hans and k
kacie hunt. you're the woman of the hour over there on capitol hill. talk to us about what you're seeing and what this will mean? >> reporter: the woman of the hour here on capitol hill is nancy pelosi who -- >> you're our woman of the hour. >> reporter: thank you. i appreciate that. this was a moment that nancy pelosi worked hard to make happen in the way that it did. it is a triumphant moment for her. she's the first person since rayburn took the speaker's gavel more than once. others have been ousted by their party, downed by scandal. you heard several members vote present or vote for her colleagues. it wias not enough. even those members will tell you that nancy pelosi met with them one-on-one to try and sway them. the sense in the end is she was their most experienced general to go into what many democrats view as an existential battle
against this president. you saw quite a few, especially daughter, granddaughters of members of congress on the house floor celebrating that as a moment. this is the most diverse congress in history. over 100 women in congress when they are all finished by sworn in by the end of the day. i suppose it's already the case. you can tell in the hallways that's what's going on here. i was talking to the first palestinian american woman to become a member of congress. the hallway outside her offices swarming with all sorts of people. she's wearing traditional palestinian dress. they are with tweaking the rules to make sure the muslim american, is somalia woman with wear religious head wear on the floor of the house. you can see and feel the changes that are coming to the institution. it does feel like the first day
of school. there's more bipartisan comedy as usual as every one is excited to get under way for the new congress. that diversity, you can really sense that the change that we talked about through the 2018 election has actually materialized here on the hill. >> there's a lot of change especially in the makeup of who will be in charge of congress and who will be a lawmaker come this year. come today. what's not different is the politics. they are still in a shutdown. the government is in its, i think 13th or 14th day of the shutdown. i started to lose track of these numbers. 13th day of the shut down. there's no end in sight. jake -- we don't have jake anymore. kacie, where do the democrats stand with donald trump? there's a meeting tomorrow. has there been any wiggle room
from any side? >> reporter: we have been running around here but apparently they haven't gotten official word on the hill yet this invitation has gone out. we are hearing from the white house there's been some conversations about another meeting tomorrow. the reality is we're stuck in a complete stalemate and the real question here is, how the heck do they get out of it. it's really not clear how you get out of this. i've covered a number of shutdowns and usually there's what end ts s up happening is t political pressure mounts to the point that one side or the other gives in. they try the say i got something out of what i just did but it's hard to see how either side argues that. nancy pelosi told savannah guthrie this morning that they will not give. the president said he would look foolish if he accepted a deal from the democrats. at the end of the day, i don't see how the president gets out of this. he needs democrats to vote with him to end the shutdown.
the real question is at what point does it become politically untenable for the president to continue this shutdown. the poll numbers are showing that americans are by and large against shutting down any part of the government for a border wall. that means the political pressure is in the democrats favor and against the president but you've covered him much more extensively than i have. you have some idea of how he may handle a situation like this. >> he's entrenched in his position. i think he doesn't want to get embarrassed. he doesn't want right wing radio going after him. there's a whole conversation to talk about whether his voters find this to be necessary, whether they would not support him if he did not build a wall. that's the narrative that's out there. as something on the campaign trail for 510 days talking to those very voters i would question that because a lot of them just wanted donald trump to
be president and we're going to trust in whatever decision he made. if that did not include a physical barrier for a wall that spanned the entire southern border, i think a lot of them understood that was probably not very feasible. they were going to be okay with it because he would enact other border measures. peter baker, you're at the white house. you've been covering this presidency. is there any talk behind the scenes about what they could do and the sort of leverage that donald trump has with his quote, unquote base. do they understand that? >> it's great question. the truth is his own staff isn't quite sure what he will do. this makes the negotiation that much harder. you can speak pence or mick mulvaney up the hill but you don't know if you don't have the president in the room. it does matter whether there's a meeting at the white house.
they are stuck in their positions. this is a one issue dispute. they can't give a little here in order to get a little there. there's one issue here. do you get money for the wall. any other dispute you might say fine, split down the middle, that's not going to be enough. they made clear we're not going to give anything for a wall and trump says it has to be 5 billion. it can't be border security. they can't use clever language like in this kind of a stand off. both sides are locked into place and it's not clear how they get out of it. >> we are waiting for leader mccarthy to introduce the new speaker of the house. we'll go there once that happens. who has the most influence with this president in is it an adviad adviser like stoephen miller or his daughter or is it rush limbaugh or ann coulter?
>> i think it's a lot on fox news. he was ready to accept mitch mcconnell's ploan to punt the issue down a couple of mons wth and he saw ann coulter and rush limbaugh for caving in on the most symbolic promise he made on the trail. his voters would be willing to forgive him but that doesn't mean he's not sensitive to hearing from these very, very persuasive and powerful voices on the right that he is not living up to the promise he made. >> those powerful and persuasive voices on the right didn't support him to be the nominee of the republican party. it wasn't until late in the game. if they had that much influence over donald trump voters then donald trump would not have been the nominee of the republican party. somebody else would have. >> donald trump has or had
during that time more influence and more room with those voters than any of those other voices had. he had this unique opportunity to do anything he wanted when he got into the white house. they are gaveling in right now. let's go back in and take in everything that's happening on the floor. >> the speaker-elect, nancy pelosi of the state of california. [ applause ]
>> members take your seats. house will in in order. colleague, friends and fellow americans. it's an honor to serve with you and to welcome you to the first day of the 116th united states house of representatives. [ applause ] we are here in this chamber because the faith of your neighbors, support of your families, we're here today to represent the voice and the vote of 325 million americans.
now i would like every one to pause. i want you to reflect on this fact. in the last 230 years, dating back to the founding of our republic, fewer than 11,000 americans have had the privilege to stand here as a member of the house just as you do. chosen by their fellow citizens to represent them in washington. what an amazing, invigorating and yes, frustrating experiment that is. representative democracy. the ink was barely dry on the constitution when ben franklin wondered out loud whether this new nation was capable of keeping its government and freedom that has been granted to us generation to generation. centuries later, people still harbor similar concerns.
they wonder if congress truly represents them. if it's still capable of solving big problems. well there's no guarantees. it's up to us, all of us in this room to make congress work. to create and debate just like our founding fathers did many years ago. with courage, with commitment and resolve. we are a very small group with a very large responsible. the burden on us 435 members is to represent 325 million americans faithfully. to work together so that tomorrow is better than today. as ronald reagan advised us, america's too great for small dreams. when we work together, we succeed together as one nation.
we're now entering a period of divided government but that is no excuse for gridlock or inaction. we are at our best when we focus not on retribution but on building a more perfect union. while we seek cooperation, there's one core principle upon which we will not compromise. republicans will always choose personal freedom over government control. this very floor we serve on has hosted some of the toughest debates in nation's history but it's also some of the most
noblest achievements that's happened here. this house has weathered times of triumph and crisis. it still stands because it's built not on sand but on the solid rock of constitutional principles. today marks a new chapter in this house pursuit of a more perfect union. the country knows nancy pelosi is an experienced leader with three decades of service in congress. a fighter for her causes and a true trail blazer. even when we disagree with one another completely, it is important to remember that we are bounded together in a common cause. our love for america. [ applause ] fellow citizens as friends, let us lead together to show the
people we are truly their voice and their vote. in that spirit, in the spirit of a more perfect union and in the unshakable belief that america was, is and always will be the greatest nation on the face of the earth. in that spirit, i extend my hand of friendship to every member of this body and to the speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, i extend to you this gavel. [ applause ] >> thank you.
thank you very much. i look forward to working with krou you in a bipartisan way. respecting our constituents. i respect you and the constituents who sent and every one of us here. they expect and deserve for us to try to find our common ground. we must try to do that. stand our ground where we can but always extend the hand of friendship. thank you kevin mccarthy for your leadership. congratulations. each and every one of you, new members of congress, newly reflected members of congress, thank you for your courage to
run for office and to serve in this distinguished body. every two years we gather in this chamber for a sacred ritual. we renew the great american experiment. i'm particularly proud to be a woman speaker of the house of this congress which marks the 100th year of women having the right to vote. [ applause ] that we all have the ability and privilege to serve with over 100 members of congress.
our five children, nancy, korrine, christine, paul, jack lynn and alexandra. thomas and paul. bella and octavio. we're so proud of all of our grand children. we're proud of every one's grand children and children who are here today. we'll see more of them. i'm also proud of my family here from baltimore for us too. in the spirit, my mother and father, my brother tommy who is also mayor of baltimore taught us through their example that public service is a noble calling. we should serve with our hearts full of love and that america's heart is full of love.
i want to acknowledge tony bennett who is here with us today as well. thank you, tony. he helped free the concentration camps during time of world war ii. he marched with martin luther king. thank you, tony. again, i want to thank my constituents from san francisco who have entrusted me to represent them in congress in the spirit of st. francis, the patron saint of san francisco and his song of saint francis is our peace. it is our mission. let me thank our men and women
in uniform, our veterans and military families and care givers whose service reminds us of our mission to make the future worthy of their sacrifice. to our men and women in uniform. [ applause ] we enter this new congress with a sense of great hope and confidence for the future and deep humility and prayerfulness in the face of challenges ahead. our nation is at a historic moment. two months ago the american people spoke and demanded a new dawn. they called upon the beauty of our constitution that our system of checks and balances that protects our democracy remembering that the legislative branch is article one. the first branch of government
co-equal to the presidency and to the judiciary. [ applause ] they wanted congress that delivers to the people opening up opportunity and delivering for their lives. we're hearing the voice of the future there. how beautiful. when our new members take the oath, our congress will be refreshed and our democracy will be strengthened by their optimism, idealism and patriotism of this transformative freshman class. [ applause ] congratulations to all of you in the freshman class. working together we will redeem the promise of the american dream for every family advan, advancing progress for every
community. we must be pioneers of the future. this congress must accelerate a future that advances america's preimminence in the world and opens up opportunities for all. building an economy that gives all americans the tools they need to succeed in the 21st century. public education, work force development, good paying jobs and secure pensions. we have heard from too many families who wonder in this time of innovation if they have a place in economy of the future. we must remove all doubt that they do and say to them that we will have an economy that works for you. [ applause ] let us declare we will call upon bold thinking as justice said we may have
democracy or we may have wealth concentrated in hands of the few but we cannot have both. we must end that injustice and restore the public faith in a better future for themselves and their children. we must be champions of the middle class and all those who aspire to it because the middle class is the backbone of our democracy. it has been since the birth -- [ applause ] it has been since the birth of our democracy. aristole said the best community is formed by citizens of the middle class in which the middle class is large and stronger than any of the other classes. we must fight for the middle class. it's fair and fiscally sound protecting medicare, medicaid and social security.
we must face the crisis manifested in natural disasters of epic proportions. the american people understand the urgency. the people are ahead of the congress. the congress must join them. that's why we have created a committee on climate crisis. the entire congress must work to put an end to the inaction and denial of science that threaten the planet and the future. [ applause ] this is a decision -- a public health decision about clean air, clean water for our children's health. it's a decision for america's global preimmense and the green technologies. it's a decision, a security
decision to keep us all safe and a moral decision to be good stewards of god's creation. we have fo collusions our work will be easy but let us pledge when we disagree we respect each other and we respect the truth. we will debate and advance good ideas no matter where they come from. in that spirit democrats will be offering the senate republican appropriations legislation to re-open government later today. [ cheers and applause ] we will do so to meet the needs
of the american people. to protect our borders and to respect our workers. i pledge that this congress will be transparent, bipartisan and unifying. that we will seek to reach across the aisle in this chamber and across divisions akrcross o nation. in the past two years the american people have spoken. tens of thousands of public events were held. hundreds of thousands of people turned out. mills of calls were made. countless families, even sick little children, our little lobbyists bravely came forward to tell their stories and they made a big difference. now the floor of this house must be america's town hall where people will see our debates and where their voices will be heard and affect our decisions. transparency will be the order of the day.
[ applause ] as our chairman said, we will follow our mandate for the people and i thank you for your kind nomination and accept those kind remarks on behalf of the entire house democratic caucus who made all of those victories possible. some of them in a bipartisan way. to protect people with pre-existing medical condition. [ applause ] to increase paychecks by rebuilding america with green and modern infrastructure from sea to shining sea.
we look forward to working with the president on that. to pass hr 1, to restore integrity to government so people with have confidence that government that works for the people not the special interests. hr 1. [ applause ] this house will take over due legislation that has bipartisan support. bipartisan support in the congress and across the country. we will make our community safer and keep our sacred promise to the victims and survivors and families of gun violence by passing common sense bipartisan background legislation. [ applause ] we will make america fairer by
ending discrimination against the lgbtq community. [ applause ] we will make america more american by protecting our patriotic courageous dreamers. [ applause ] all three of those legislative initiate gives have bipartisan support in this body. when we're talking about the dreamers, let us remember what president reagan said. in his last speech as president of the united states, it's a beautiful speech. he said if we ever close the door to new americans our leadership role in the world will soon be lost. ronald reagan.
[ applause ] our common cause is to find and forge way forward for our country. let us stand for the people to promote liberty and justice for all as we pledge every day. always, always keep our nation safe from threats old and new, from terrorism and cyber war fair, overseas and here at home. that's the oath we all take to serve in this besiody. that's the oath we take to protect and defend. i close by remembering a cherished former member of this body who rose to become a beloved president of the united states and who last month
returned top capitol once more and he came this time to lie in state. that week we honored president george herbert walker bush with eulogies, tributes and tears. today i single out one of his great achievements. working with democrats and republicans to rigwrite the americans with disabilities act into the laws of our land. thank you for being a big important part of that. [ applause ] in 2010 we marked the 20th anniversary of the act by making it possible for our colleagues with disabilities to preside over the house. changing the mechanics of this podium. that spirit of equality and justice let me announce this afternoon the first speaker i
will yield to of the 116th congress will be congress jim of rhode island. as we take the oath of office today, we accept responsibility as daunting and demanding as any that previous generations of leadership have faced. guided by the vision and values of our founders. the sacrifice of our men and women in uniform and the aspirations that we have for our children. let us meet that responsibility with wisdom, with courage and with grace. together we will let it be known that this house will truly be the people's house.
[ applause ] l let us pray that god may bless our work and crown the good with brother hoods and sisterhood from sea to shining sea. god bless you all and god bless the united states of america. the parliamentary instructs me to say the following. i'm now ready to take the oath of office. i ask the dean of the house of representatives, the honorable don young to add minister tminih
>> everybody be quiet. if the gentlewoman from california would please raise her right hand. do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. that you will bear truth, faith and allegiance to the same. that you take these obligations freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you're about to enter, so help you god. >> i do. >> congratulations, madame speaker. [ applause ] >> let us thank dean young. thank you, dean young. dean of the house of
representatives. i now call the house to order on behalf of all of america's children. go kids go kids. go kids. and now we're going to administer the oath of office for the members elect on mass. if the children want to be back with their -- >> no. >> or if they want to be on tv, it's up to them. >> okay. they're all leaving. stay or join their parents, and grandparents. katie hill whose birthday it is, wants her children to join her.
katie porter. katie porter whose birthday it is wants her children to join her. >> congratulations. >> thank you, dear. thank you for comiing up. >> nancy pelosi is going to swear in the members of the house. she's waiting to do that allowing the children of the members to go and be with their parents unless, as she says, they want to be on television. a lot of them staying behind her. a cute moment when her grandson said do what we've been waiting for and she officially gavelled in. the theme of her speech was bipartisanship and working together, coming together in this time. she said they're inheriting a responsibility as daunting and demanding as any previous generation has faced. it's a bit of an understatement when you consider what the democratic congress is walking into and the oversight they'll attempt to put on this president
of the united states. donald trump hasn't had to answer or his administration hasn't had to answer that many questions. that will change as of today. there are a host of investigations that the democrats say they're ready to launch, and not just on the russia investigation. subpoenas having to do with the intel investigations. but ethics investigations, oversight investigations. all sorts of things. she's now officially sworn everybody in. let's go to nbc correspondent kasie hunt and jill cull vin, michael steele, and steve israel, the chairman of long island university's global institute. and former obama administration deputy labor secretary christoph christopher how. -- lou. he served as a staffer.
a round robin. kasie, we were watching alongside of us. what's your take? >> well, i noticed right at the top of her speech how she talked about the fact that it's been 100 years since women had the right to vote and that she was particularly proud to be taking the speakership back in this context. i don't think we should lose sight of the fact that despite all the political disagreements that obviously are playing out in washington, the ak ri moanny and shutdown, that this is a historic day for women in america. that more than 100 women are now members of the united states congress. and if you look back at some of the numbers, it's just really kind of astonishing that representation of women has been as low as it has been for so long, and the fact that women were really able to go out there this time around and run as themselves, not necessarily how people told them to run and actually succeed. remarkable. >> she did make a point of saying in brotherhood and in
sister hood. hans nichols, anyone at the white house watching this? we don't have hans. jill, we'll go to you. anyone at the white house watching this? >> i imagine they are. there are a lot of people who are not at the white house today because the shutdown continues into the 13th day with a lot of people furloughed. there's one press wrangler about himself, but this is tuned on all the televisions. look, this is a brand new era for the trump administration. they now begin this new era of divided government in washington and it's going to be very difficult for this president. we've heard some conflicting messages from him. in his cabinet meeting he talked about how he wanted to work together. talked about areas of bipartisanship. infrastructure, you also had the president on the flip side say if democrats start using their subpoena power, he's going to be in a war-like posture. this is a president when under attack digs in and doubles down.
this is going to be a tough time for the president. >> he is going to be facing an entirely new world. something he has not faced before. michael steele, i made a note at the top of nancy pelosi's remarks. she said that we're going to extend our hand. we're going to try to work together, but we're also going to stand our ground. we're in the middle of a partial government shutdown. it is day 13. democrats are not going to give the president his wall. the president says he won't sign anything without the wall. what happens now? >> i think nancy made it clear. certain any in the last 24 hours, but particularly in that moment that they will stand their ground. there is no incentive or reason for the democrats to move in putting money in the budget for a wall. a wall that majority of americans don't want. a wall the president said someone else was going to pay for and a wall quite frankly republicans themselves don't necessarily want in the house and the senate. particularly in the senate. they don't want to dance on this
pinhead. that's why mcconnell right now is kind of taking a posture looking to the white house recognizing at some point the president is going to have to give ground, but the president has his heard base out there in the guise of voices on radio and television telling him he can't give in. nancy has no incentive to move. i think this goes into january, possibly february. at some point it's going to take the republican leadership in the house and senate to break this, because that's where the requirement of this is going to be. it's not with the democrats, particularly since the president says he owns it. it's a political problem for republicans right now. >> and he did say that directly to senator schumer's face. i'm going to own this. i won't blame you for it. since then he's tried to blame schumer for it, calling it the schumer shutdown, but that is donald trump. he likes to have it all ways at once. steve israel, we -- we talk
about the politics and the gamesmanship of this showdown, who stands to lose politically. what gets lost so often is that there are a lot of people, regular people, who are affect bid this, more than 800,000 federal workers. about half of which have been furloughed. the other half are working without pay, and then there are those who are affected by all of the closures of federal departments. and inability to get access to things like student loans, et cetera. at what point are the stories of people who might not get -- people who might not get their paycheck and, say, will have to go to their insurance provider and say i can't pay that hospital bill because the government has been shutdown. at what point do those voices get so loud that this body and this president will be forced to do something about it. >> i think when they find their
moral conscious. i was talking to my former colleagues. the mood was jubilant. the fact is many of them said we have to get this government open again. there are human beings, american citizens who are not getting their paychecks who can't pay their rent, make their car payments. we've got to get this government open again. now, they're going to do it today. they'll pass a bill that will reopen the government. keep it funded through october, continue some funding for the department of homeland security for another month so they can try and work out their differences. we'll see whether the republican minority takes that opportunity and actually acts on what kevin mccarthy said, trying to find some good, sensible compromise. that compromise will be offered in a matter of minutes. we'll see whether republicans are going to accept it and move on. >> i want to get to chris. michael steele, one more for you. what do you think about nancy pelosi? is she the best person in the democratic conference to stand up to donald trump? >> yes, absolutely, bar none.
and she's shown ate time and again time. i've gone toe to toe with her. there are some battle scars from that in the battle over health care. she's formidable. i don't think donald trump and certainly i don't think the republicans truly appreciate what they're in store for. she knows where she stands and knows the ground she's on. and they're going to have to deal with that. >> chris, what is this presidency in store for? >> well, it's going to be something unlike what donald trump has ever seen. the challenge for democrats is how you balance governing. how do you balance compromise and how do you balance oversight? because there's been so little oversight over the last two years. there are so many opportunities of areas to look into. the challenge for democrats is how you do that in a smart targeted way that doesn't look like political grand standing, that's not seen as politically vin tickive. on the democratic side, you have couplings and nad ler,
experienced people who know how to do this. >> today is a day for the day to democrats. it's a day to celebrate females and females rising into positions of power. but let's make no mistake. we are in the middle of a partial government shutdown. there are real people suffering, real consequences right now. and congress was elected along with the president to get things done. kasie hunt, jill, michael, and chris, thank you very much. that will do it for me this hour. ali velshi, what a day. we started with a momentous moment. and we're going to end with a momentous moment. >> yep. >> end and start with the redundancy. >> what you said is interesting. nancy pelosi takes the helm a second time as speaker in a government shutdown. the constitution mandates nothing for congress to do except to make appropriations to pay for the things they have committed to. bunting and