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grow at airports, and remember that over 14,000 air traffic controllers are on the job. they're working in the towers without pay. the flights are fine. they came back. the u.s. could lose its aaa credit rating. the ntsb won't be investigating some of the accidents, including one in florida last week that killed seven. u.s. marshals, including ones guarding the drug kingpin el chapo here in new york aren't being paid, and the national weather service forecast models are not getting attention they need for accurate forecasting nationwide. as we like to say, what could go wrong? that is our broadcast for tonight. thank you so very much for being here with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. >> we saw a temper tantrum because he couldn't get his way and he just walked out of the meeting. a cornered president storms out. >> bye-bye. >> as the mueller probe closes in.
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>> this appears as the closest we've seen yet to real-live actual collusion. >> tonight what looks like the end of the collusion debate as the manafort bomb shell lands on capitol hill. plus what we learned of the fate of rod rosenstein and as the trump shutdown continues. >> this is not a fight i wanted. i am proud to shutd down the government. skblrks on the government workers held hostage. >> stop playing chicken with our lives. >> "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. it's been just one full day since the president's very first oval office address to the nation and i defy you to quote a single line from it. trump's transparently desperate attempt to talk his way out of the bind he's put himself in, did manage to squeeze out one news cycle and here we are on day 19 of the shutdown.
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republican unity is showing severe signs of strain and the ability to suck the attention away from other matters has waned in the harsh light of day. paul manafort's unredacted court filing and the new york "new york times" expanding on that are sinking in. and we're good ginning to see how close mueller is. here's what we know from the filing and the "new york times." in the spring of 2016 paul manafort rangaled himself somewhat out of nowhere. he's been out of american politics for a while. he said would work for free, despite being indebted to kremlin interests. weird but okay. keep in mind this is before russia's hacking comes public
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and before a meeting of russians reportedly bringing dirt from russia and before russia, if you're listening comment, before all of that. and paul manafort is sharing internal proprietary polling and election data with a guy the fbi says has ties with russian intelligence. those are the facts. and to take a step back, all campaigns have access to troves of internal data they use to make decisions they don't make public. and it's not just the top lines of who's winning. it's how is the candidate doing with say white women in michigan? how are certain messages working and that stuff is very closely held.
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it's not shared with anyone. it's only share would the political party or other people trying to get your guy elected. one of the people manafort shared that data with was a man whose name you might have heard before and his name is kilminik. he was manafort's deputy in ukrain. was ukrainian but ally would the pro-kremlin politics working for the benefit of kremlin 36s interest. and he has been indicted by robert mueller and immediately fled back to russia. just to give you an idea of where he thought the safest place in the world for him to be was. he was told to share this internal data with two ukrainianole oligarchs. and for context, here's what manafort was saying in july of 2016.
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>> so to be clear, mr. trump has no financial relationships with any russian oligarchs? >> that's what he said. that's obviously what our position is. >> so paul manafort was running the trump campaign and taking their secret campaign information and giving it to a man assessed to be a russian intelligence asset and telling him to give it to oligarchs allied with the kremlin. just ask yourself why on earth was he doing that? what in the world do ukrainian oligarchs do with information of how trump's message is testing among college-educated women. what does anyone do with it? secondly, if there's anexcuse for him doing this deeply bizarre thing, why on earth would paul manafort risk going to prison for the rest of his life, especially when they have
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him over a barrel having already convicted him for bank fraud? why? the simplest, most straight forward answer is paul manafort was sharing the data with them to help get trump elected and then he lied about it to mueller because he doesn't want everyone to know he colluded with the russians. franklin, his profile is still the definitive description of the man. he also wrote an incredible profile of manafort himself. frank, how big a deal are these revelations? >> i think it's a big deal but more suggestive of what the broader narrative is than conclusive on its own. to just paint the setback and get the bigger picture. manafort was deeply in debt to a russian oligarch who he owed $20 million to at least. and we know from other robert
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mueller findings and the rest of our reporting that he was willing to -- from emails that atlantic obtained he was looking to trade access to the trump campaign in order to erase this debt. and we have something similar happening here with these ukrainian oligarchs. manafort believed owed him money. he worked for them in ukrain and he thought i can trade this access to the trump campaign in order to make this debt disappear. in fact, yes, this is collusion. i think we don't even know the scope and broadest contours of that collusion. >> here's the thing that's strange and there's this infamous email that manafort sends it to kilimnik and does he want a private briefing? why do they care a briefing from the soon-to-be republican nominee?
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what good is private polling data? >> as you said paul manafort spend the last two years in his spend the last ten years in his career working in you ukrain for pro-russian interests. the guy who was his closest advisor was trained by russian intelligence. and so he's coming into this american context having been steeped in ukrainian and russian political culture. he doesn't really know where the boundaries are when he enters this thing. >> and you've got to wonder about this part of it. we have some reporting that indicates the whole internal investigation that would later become the mueller investigation, that it starts because there's intercepts of russian intelligence people talking about manafort colluding with russians over the campaign. >> and again this was obvious at
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the time. in the spring of 2016 when manafort came on the campaign, it was pretty clear he owed russians a lot of money. and it was clear he was doing things at that time that seemed to suggest he was cozying up to pro-russian interests. i think there's really good reason to think that the scandal has several beating hearts but one of the beating hearts of the scandal is obviously always been paul manafort. >> and kilimnik, to refresh people. you said he was a deputy. he was ultimately indicted by mueller. what does it say went to russia upon being indicted? >> he was manafort's alter ego. he was his sidekick. he needed a translator in urkaine and this guy, kilminik
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stepped up to be his translator. he would go with him everywhere. manafort didn't speak any of these foreign languages. and so kilimnik was there for everything. manafort immediately turned to kilimnik despite all the suggestions he has this past with russian intelligence, despite everything we know about once they get into russian intelligence, they tend not to leave and manafort over looked all of this. >> thank you very much. joining me now former special watergate -- natasha. i see you writing about this ux tweeting it out. what do you make of it? >> so, it's really hard to tell at this point because obviously the "new york times" had originally reported this went to the russian oligarch and now learning that it actually went to two ukrainian oligarchs who are very pro-russian.
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i don't think it diminishes the fact that there was no reason why paul manafort should have been sharing ukrainian polling data with anyone outside of the campaign. whether this was an effort to shore up his own desk with the people he owed millions of dollars to by the time he entered the trump campaign or whether this was a concerted effort to collude with the russians or pro-russian ukrainians. we don't know yet. but the fact he took that internal campaign polling data, which is essentially used to target voters. what messages are going to be most persuadable and it's very valuable. every polling expert said if this did wind up in the hands of the russians, it would be useful to them, especially in targeting their ads, which we know they did throughout 2016. we need think about the connections between these ukrainians and russians and then from there figure out what the
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russians actually did with that data if anything. >> the reason we know about this in the filing of course is that mueller's team says manafort lied about all of this stuff. he lied about talking about deal that would lift the deal on sanctions in russia. and he lied about this sharing of the data. as a former prosecutor, that itself seems to me to speak volumes of what the motive is. >> they weren't gathering data in order to send christmas cards to people in the midwest. >> there's no answer to it. >> a number of russians have already been targeted from facebook through other social media to suppress the hillary clinton vote. that's what this was all about. this wasn't to pay back -- >> we don't know that yet. this is your theory. >> you tell me a theory. you got people indicted for this
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already. and where did they get this information? from the data? it came from the polling data. that's why this stuff is so valuable. >> when you talk about smoking guns, were it the case to establish that was what the data was, that would be the smoking gun. he passes the data and uses the it data -- >> rick gates knows about this. he's cooperating with mueller and he's going to testify, which is why he hasn't been sentenced yet. >> rick gates shows up because he's manafort's deputy. charged, pled, cooperating and was involved, according to the "new york times" story, in this passing of the data. >> that's right and there's no other reason to pass it other than to be part of the conspiracy to micro target voters to keep the hillary clinton voters from going out and voting for her. >> the part of this, natasha, the other part he lied about,
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which can also strikes me as important is the idea of some deal that lifts sanctions on russia. it's very clear -- in the extent there's a quid pro quo, they have an tangible and and demand, it's the lifting of sanctions. this seems to be yet another data point supporteding that. >> and they were apparently discussing this plan for ukrain that would lift sanctions on russia in exchange for russia essentially withdrawing from ukrain. what we've been trying to report out is if this was the same peace plan that michael flynn was delivered by michael cohen in january of 2017. it seems like there were a lot of peace plans involved in lifting sanctions on russia. >> this is not the world's biggest battery of policy ideas. these are not folks sitting around like what can we do on universal day care?
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tax rates? peace plans for ukrain. they have no policy whatsoever. they have the wall and yet seem really invested in this. >> this all comes back to the russian lawyer indicted yesterday. which all relates back to sanctions. >> indicted in the southern district. >> for creating a phoney document they could use in the lawsuit in the southern district. what's really significant is that mueller has laid out emails he has from her, back from 2014. two years before the trump tower meeting. and if he's got those, he's got a hell of a lot more and -- >> they've got her email communication from years before, it means she and people around her on the radar. >> and the email from goldstone to don jr., talking about the crown prosecutor. in fact the person that natalia
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was cooking up the phoney document with was the head prosecutor for the russian federation. and so all of a sudden who shows up when goldstone says somebody's going to show up with the dirt? it's natalia. >> and she now under indictment. thank you both. joining me now jeremy nadler, the chair of the house judiciary committee. what do you make of these revelations? >> i listen very carefully and it seems indicative. i think the walls are closing in on the president. the proof is beginning to be assembled of a vast conspiracy to defraud the american people with several different aspects, whether it's the hush money for the women that president seems to be personally involved in or collusion in which they're given
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data which the people gave to them knew had no value other than to help them microtarget social media, illegal social media interventions in the american election and of korgs the trump tower meeting relating to the hacks from the dnc. this is why it is so important to protect the mueller investigation and to make sure that report that may or may not be coming out soon becomes public and is not pocketed by whitaker or barr. it's one of the things we have to make sure that that report is public so the american people know the results of the investigation and we have work to do also. we now have enough leads to do our own investigation on some of the things that mueller plaubably knows already but hasn't said.
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>> this is something i've been asking a lot of folks. the regulations don't require it be made public. do you have that power as the committee chair to do so? >> well, the committee certainly has the power to subpoena the report and if necessary, we have the power to invite former prosecutor mueller to testify in front of the committee and ask him about it. >> you're saying once he twur finish, if the executive attempted to keep it under wraps, those are two avenues you have the pow pursue? >> that's exactly right. >> there's reporting about steve mnuchin, particularly as relates to the decision to walk back sanctions on the man at the center of all of this and he has agreed to give a classified
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agreed to give a classified briefing tomorrow. is that correct? and what's the nature of that? >> i don't know what the nature is. it's a classified briefing to all members of the house. as to why he's proposing to remove the sanctions. the santcions were imposed on dare pauskau and other russian oligarchs close to putin because of the invasion of crimea and invasion of ukrain and of course we know from everything you've talked about, the testimony about the trump tower meeting that the chief quid pro quo for all of the help from the russians is the lifting of sanctions. they wanted to do that from day one and now the president of course tries to delay the imposition of sanctions voted and congress forced to impose them and now he's trying to lift sanctions without the russians doing anything to remove from crimeaor stopping aggressions on
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ukrain. so why you would lift the sanctions, except for a quid pro quo, i wouldn't know. >> and the treasury secretary perhaps will speak to that tomorrow. another item that broke is a story about a beefed-up legal team inside the white house and their strategy to aggressively assert executive privilege in matters having to do with the investigation of robert mueller. is your committee prepared for what could be high stakes legal battles between these two branchs of government? >> our committee staff and the house counsel just hired last week are prepared for whatever legal battles may be necessary and richard nixon tried to exert executive privilege. there is no reasonable case for executive privilege. it's all pierced by any reasonable necessity in a
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criminal or congressional investigation. and the supreme court made that point very clear. >> thank you very much. msnbc news reporting that rod rosenstein plans to leave the justice department once the mueller probe is finished. that story in two minutes. in't .
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we now have a better idea of when we may get a report from special counsel, robert mueller. rod rosenstein who appointed mueller and has over seen the investigation president trump's peated p -- repeated attacks intends to stay until the mueller completes the bulk of his work according to a source close to rosenstein. he does not intend to leave mueller high and dry. that means rosenstein would remain until nide late-february. though mueller's report could arrive sometime in march. they indicated rosenstein planned to leave once william barr is confirmed. if he's confirmed, he would presumably decide how much of mueller's report would be made public. one way of receiving this news from some people was we trust rod rosenstein as a stewart of the independence investigation and if he feels that things are wrapping up and he can go then that's a good sign. is that the way you feel? >> i don't think so.
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the first thing to thing about, taking a step back is what are the stakes here? the manafort revelations from yesterday, flynn, the national security advisor going to jail, or at least pleaing to a federal felony. you've got campaign finance violations ordered by the president. all of this has come out because of the independent investigations by mueller the southern district of new york. all of that is putengszally at threat with rod rosenstein leaving. rod started out, i think, with unsure footing. but has by all accounts protected the integrity of these investigation let them proceed and now there are threats to them. >> what are the threats? i think that dchd depends on how one view william barr? >> right. so there's two different branchs of the investigation. one is the special counsel and the other are the justice department investigations and the southern district and so on. both will be controlled by the attorney general. so the mueller investigation,
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under the special counsel regulations i had the privilege of drafting 20 years ago, put the attorney general in charge. meaning whitaker or barr in the should stop any aspect of the investigation. could say you can't indict don jr. or whom ever and can say that final report that mueller will issue can't be given to the congress in its full report or even any part of it or to the public. so all of that think congress may have mechanisms to get at but we have to worry that the investigations can be stopped and fruits of the investigations, what we'll learn about from mueller, american people may not see because an attorney general that's willful can block that. >> a small but powerful group of people around the attorney
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general now is that mr. whitaker is entirely unqualified and it's preposterous he's running the justice department. in terms of barr, he's a former attorney general and lindsey graham basically saying he's friends with mueller, he's committing to let mueller finish his job. this guy's a member of the club. why would you be worried? >> right. so there's no doubt former attorneygeneral barr is smart and all those things. the question is does he have radical views on the president being above the law? we're talking about a guy who
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campaigned for the job by handed him a 20-page memo ewhich ridiculous argument like it has to say the words the president is included in it to be encompassed within it. so there's a murder statute that says murder is illegal. doesn't say murder is illegal when the president commits it. so barr is saying the president could commit murder and not face a felony charge. look, i've seen all sorts of ridiculously talented people act ridiculously to try to get a position and that memo looks like that. and so i think we should all fear this attorney general nominee when it comes to the rule of law. >> thank you very much. next after his big prime time address does nothing to changing the shutdown fight, the it president threw a temper tantrum, perhaps staged in the situation room.
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if there was one thing that trump was right about was that his speech last night wouldn't make any difference. according to "new york times," mr. trump privately dismissed his strategy as pointless hours before the address. he made clear in blunt terms he was not inclined to it give the speech or go to texas but was talked into it by advisors, according to two people briefed who asked not to be identified. is it any wonder after a lack luster speech and a quick afternoon trip to the thiel visit increasingly fractious republican senators, he stormed out of a white house meeting with democrats after just 14
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minutes, tweeting quote a meeting with chuck and nancy was a total waste of time. i said bye-bye. >> the president just got up and walked out. he asked speaker pelosi will you agree to my wall? she said no. and he just got up and said then we have nothing to discuss and he just walked out. we saw a temper tantrum. >> nearly 24 hours after the president's big first oval office primetime address on his wall and no closer to any kind of resolution on the government shutdown. joining me now a democrat from minnesota. what is your view of where we stand with the government shutdown? >> when i hear that story i think maybe he forgot harry truman's famous words the buck stops here and that he has responsibility. what i see missing from his speech, tweets are the real people that are effected by this. you look at the dairy farmers in minnesota. just got the new farm bill
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passed. need help, may have to close down the dairy farms but now the usda is closed down. or people who are going to have problems with mortgages and security officers in the airports now going to be working without pay. throse are the real people affected by this shutdown. and so i think we should take those house-passed bills and a number of republicans broke off and voted for them because they want to end the shutdown and get a vote on them in the senate. they're very similar to what we unanimously passed and send them over to his desk. >> is there any break in the unity on your side? the strategy, as articulated by schumer is end the shutdown and we'll negotiate about a border package? >> you have seen us strongly standing together but i think the break has been on their side where you've seen people like susan collins and cory gardner
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and tillis, they have tom tilless, say look, let's end this shutdown. but i think for those workers who he is not talking about, american leadership where at the same time he's shut down nasa, the chinese landed a spacecraft on the dark side of the moon for the first time. this is just wrong for american leadership and the people of our country. >> i want to shift gears slightly to talk about your role on the senate judiciary committee because you will be having the very important hearings on the man we're discussing rksz william barr. have you been able meet with mr. barr so far on that role in your committee? >> no, chris. we did request a meeting. it was called the last minute, the hearing for next week and i have always met with major cabinet members under obama administration and trump administration. i have met with the head of the botanical garden.
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i have met with the nominee for the patdant office, chris. but we can't have a meeting with the nominee for one of the most important cabinet positions while this mueller investigation is going on before the hearing and i just think that's wrong and you add to that the fact that as a citizen he filed this 19-page memo. i don't have citizens that do that. they might send me 19 characters and a tweet. but it's like a try for this job where he basically espoused this expansive view of executive power that reminds me some of what we saw in the kavanaugh hearings and it seems the president is gathering people, albeit a qualified person who has served as attorney general before. certainly more experience than mr. whitaker, the acting attorney general. but you have real issues we're going to have to question him
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about under oath. >> i want to make sure i understand what you're saying. did they tell you no, you can't meet him? >> they said i could meet him after the hearing because of the shutdown that they weren't able to do the meeting, which we know is pretty ironic given we have tsa officers out there and fbi and other government workers who are out doing their job now without pay or are furloughed. they weren't able to bring him over because of the shutdown and their time and focus was on that as well as the holidays. that's what we were told. >> he did meet with republicans though? >> he did. but was not able to meet with us until after the hearing, or at least with me. and i think senator bloomen thaul had made a request. we're ready to go next week andialver a lot of good questions. >> i'll talk to joy reed and barbara boxer on the cracks.
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thing one tonight, chuck and nancy's response to the president's oval office address got a lot of tension on the internet. rather for the interesting stage craft. some people saw a striking resemblance to a famous work of art. others were perhaps reminded of real-life expeer kbrrnss. when you think you can sneak in but mom and dad are up waiting
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for you in the livingroom. your father and i aren't angry, we're just disappointed. have you been in an accident with someone who didn't have insurance and i'm chuck and nancy and we're here to talk about whether a reverse mortgage is right for your retirement security. but by the one solitary metric that donald trump cares about, chuck and nancy totally destroyed the competition. that's thing two in 60.
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donald trump is obsessed with ratings. we know that because he talks about them all the time. >> i like ratings. i have study ratings. you know i'm a ratings person. i do get good ratings, you have admit that. i always got higher ratings than other people. i've become a ratings maven.
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so these rallies are very successful. they hate when i do them, although they do like the ratedings. they get good ratings. when you get good ratings, you say anything, right? that's what happens. good ratings. so you know he must be obsessed with how his first ever oval office rated. the combined rating was 28.1. but then when trump went away, a funny thing happened, chuck and nancy came on frathe rebuttal the numbers went up. democrats got a 29.3. that's gotto hurt. >> i've become a ratings maven, okay. i've become the king of ratings. normally there are 435 members of the house of if you have medicare, listen up.
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normally there are 435 members of the house of representatives but right now there are 434. and that's because of north carolina's ninth congressional district. remember the midterms there? republican mark harris appeared to win by 905 votes but voting irregularities soon came to life and centered around one, a contractor named leslie mccray a twice convicted felon dallas seems to have hired people to pick up absentee ballots and
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there are outstanding questions about what happened to those ballots. here's what one woman who says dallas hired her, told local reporter. >> should all the people who voted, did their votes count? >> like i said i don't know-nothing what happened. >> so you dough don't know for certain they were sent to the elections office? >> no, i don't. >> the state elections board refused to certify the elections and yet republican mark harris, the man who hired a felon on his campaign a guy with a notorious reputation for these tricks, mark harris is demanding to be seated in congress and claiming he has trump's support. strangely he wasn't too keen to talk to reporters monday. instead he fled through an emergency exit, tripping an alrm in his rush to avoid the media and its questions.
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and subsequently did a round of interviews, calling his escape a quote rookie mistake. investigations into those absentee ballots are still ongoing. but it's worth noting for all the republican hand ringing over wide-spread election fraud, there's only one clear instance where it looks like it happened and that's in north carolina on behalf of the republican candidate. - i think the best company's succeed as a team
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in a matter of hours or just a few days, many federal workers will not be receiving their paychecks. and what that means in their lives is tragic in terms of their credit rating, paying their mortgage, paying their rent, paying their car payment, paying their children's tuition
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and the rest. the president seems to be insensitive to that. he thinks maybe they could just ask their father for more money, but they can't. >> cold. cold. government shutdown drags on after the president's oval office address failed to miraculously transform the debate over his border wall. the longer the shutdown continues, the more its real world effects intensify. the greater the political threat to the president's party and to the president himself. it's already playing out in the florida panhandle where "the new york times" spoke this week to federal prison employees working without pay. one trump supporter telling the paper i voted for him, and he's the one who is doing this. i thought he was going to do good things. he is not hurting the people he needs to be hurting. with few cards left to play, the president's position just keeps getting worse. as of tonight, at least three republican senators have called for the government to be reopened before negotiations continue. alaska's lisa murkowski, colorado's cory gardner and susan collins of maine. for more on where things stand, i'm joined by joy reid and former democratic senator barbara boxer of california, current host of the boxer podcast. senator boxer, let me start with you. what do you think is going through the minds of your
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colleagues in the senate tonight, particularly across the aisle, republican members? >> well, i think they're starting to panic. i well remember a long shutdown where i went out to see the people at yosemite national park who were suffering, and what this president did is he made a failed campaign promise. mexico would build his wall. he got caught, and he nabbed these hostages. so who are these people? they're working families and they're also contractors. they're people who run restaurants, small businesses. and i remember going out there. chris, it was devastating for them. because their whole life was upended, and they had nothing to do with the argument then, and these workers have nothing to do with the argument now. i guess the art of the deal is you grab hostages and you create chaos. and what's happening in the minds of my colleagues, i believe is they're panicking now because they know the human face is going to be put on all of
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this. i saw a mother with an autistic child who said she couldn't take care of the child because she was, you know, not -- she was locked out, essentially. >> yeah. >> and also, they're going to start getting calls for them to not take their own pay, and that's going to cut deep too. you'll see. that's the next thing. >> well, that's an interesting -- you're right about that. you know, what's interesting here to me is that the political pressure, will get to the senate before it gets to trump. >> exactly. >> trump doesn't care. and the people that are with him, whatever that 35% base is, they're with him no matter what. but that's not true for the senate. so then it becomes this test of are they going speak up? >> yeah. the quote you read is kind of the seminole quote for this. he is hurting the wrong people. i didn't think he was going to hurt me. and i think for a lot of trump supporters, they're finding out, just as he is, just what the federal government is. a lot of people hate it as this existential thing.
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but they don't really about what is the federal government. well, i live in colorado. if you live in colorado, you could be a civilian military employment. you might be on furlough. you could work for many of the i.n.s. stations that have to do with federal government things. if you work for the forestry or a national park, suddenly i'm on furlough. and listen, what you're doing right now, is news. you know what they're leading news all over the country with this tonight? their local people in pain. >> maybe you run a diner that's near a place where -- that has a federal office building. there are a lot of knock-on effects when people are not coming to work. >> it's like these invisible blue democrats who you think of these bad people who get into the private sector. no. it's you. it's your friends. it's your family. >> senator boxer, here is the other side, that i keep bringing up, and as much as the dynamics are against the president because he has already claimed credit for the shutdown, 538 saying more people blame him now than when the shutdown began. so that's not particularly good for him. but i think the ace he has in
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his pocket is he doesn't care. and i think the senate democrats do. there is a certain point at which all you're saying, the real pain that people are facing, the missed paychecks and all this stuff matters enough that maybe he breaks the democrats. >> i don't see that at all because there is something called public opinion. we already see that people blame him, and they're going to continue to see that. look, facts are stubborn things. he had $1.6 billion. he hasn't spent it for a wall. he got that from the congress. he spent 40% of it i think on these ridiculous models of his gorgeous dream of these vanity walls. one was painted blue and one was painted pink, or whatever he had. it's ridiculous. so the facts are there. he has caught up in his mess innocent people who are ordinary americans, not like him. he doesn't know what it is to go without a paycheck. >> right. >> because all he had to do was
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ring daddy. and i'm so glad that nancy, speaker pelosi, i might say, called him on it. >> yeah. >> because most people can't call daddy, you know. >> you know, not for nothing, most the people demanding he do this are rich. rush limbaugh are rich. they don't know what it's like to struggle the way people are about to struggle are struggling. it caused the bannonite people nothing. they're all wealthy. and donald trump as you said clearly doesn't care. it doesn't bother him that people are suffering. he is punishing the people because democrats won't just give him his way. but ultimately, democrats have done something very smart here. that's why it matters whose running the democratic house, right? it's someone with experience. they're going to keep passing bills saying reopen the government. we voted to reopen the government. they can say that every single day, because they did. >> and pelosi today passing something to essentially fund the refunds. >> yep. >> let's do this. let's pass the refunds. and do more of that. i think the pressure continues to escalate. joy reid and barbara boxer, thank you both.
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>> thank you. >> thanks. with everything going on yesterday, we didn't have a chance to share some good news. our podcast why is this happening is back with a regular fresh new episode. i honestly think it might be one of our best conversations yet. this week it's george goehl, who has a gripping background, is going grassroots organizing in rural america and has some fascinating stories to tell, which you can hear on apple podcasts or wherever you like to listen that is "all in" for this evening. tonight trump storms out of a shutdown meeting with democrats and whether it was genuine anger or a straight up political stunt, tomorrow brings his photo op visit to the southern border. in the meantime your federal government remains shut down. rod rosenstein leaving the justice department but a source close to the deputy a.g. tells abc news he won't leave the mueller investigation high and dry. and tonight new reporting on the counterassault. the white house legal team and their plan to fight back against what's about to be an explodin


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