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trump's commitment to nato and about this shutdown, this was day twoif. and while more wurgers have been called back to the job, they still aren't getting paid and no wp's going to blink. day six of the trmp administration it will be day 26 by the end of this hor. we have new it developments. the mueller team did reits latest court fooling what it says paul map fort lied about after he began cooperating with with enforcement and between redactions are multiple headings
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that say thupg things like quote manafort's false and misleading. with can taths russian and in the trumped a mp straegz. today we lurped he's not done with rig gates. mueller and gates asked for another delay in sentencing because gates quote continues to cooperate with respegt to several ongoing investigations. to put a fieper point opthis, they would be sentencing gates if they were dup with him but he's apparently still being helpful. mi michael cohen's testimony is expected to be highly reskrekt stricted to avoid interfering with mueller's inquiry. the journal reports he's expected to give an explosive
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recounting of his testimony. his testimony is expected to focus on his life's story. how he from suffering as one of the most loyal aids in a deg aide to implicating him in two crimes. a man familiar with his prepared remarks says he plans on portraying him as quote a madman. before these new devmts tonight, mueller's new supervisor appearb appeared before the senate judiciary committee. a lot of the questioning dealt with the mueller investigation and the lengths he will go to protect it. barr has come under scrut an for t -- scrutiny for a memo he wrote that questioned mueller's investigation into obstruction.
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today he stressed his support for the special counsel and the inquiry. >> i believe it is vitally important that special counsel be allowed to complete his investigation. i said his selection was good news and that knowing him i had confidence he would handle the matter properly and i still have that confidence today. >> do you believe mr. mueller would be involved in a witch hunt against anybody? >> i don't believe mr. mueller would be involved in a witch hunt. i believe the russians attempted to interfere with the elication and i think we have to get to the bottom of the. >> the issue of recusal came up today. current acting ag who was critical of the mueller investigation refused to recuse himself. here's barr's response to the committee. >> let's imagine it's a judgment
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call and the judgment by the ethics committee -- >> and what would the basis of that disagreement be? >> my judgment. >> and that's based on what? >> the facts. >> it appeared to suggest not all of the find gsz would be revealed. >> it's very important that public and congress be informed of the special counsel's work. >> will you share it with us? >> consustant with law and regulations,ious. the special counsel report is confidential. the report that goes public would be a report by the attorneygeneral. >> despite the fact that you want be to transparent, neither congress or the public will get
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the mueller report because that's confidential. so what we will be getting and your review of the mueller report. is that what you're telling us? >> i don't know what -- at the end of the day, what will boo releasable. i don't know what bob mueller is writing. >> just to underscore, we don't know there will be a mueller report. we don't tend to know anything about the mueller investigation unreal time. despite barr's assurances of support for mueller, he was also asked point blank about the future of the investigation. >> are there any circumstances that would cause you to term not the investigation? or a component or significantly restrict its funding? >> under the regulations, bob
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mueller could only be terminated for good cause and. i don't think bob would do anything that gave rise to good cause. >> chief white house correspondent to the "new york times"s. former assistant attorney for the southern dustricate of new york. and chuck rosenberg, former u.s. attorney, former senior fbi official. and chuck, i'd like to begin with you. did barr do enough to convince you that mueller investigation would be sealed, protected, walled off under his good care? >> yes, he did, brian. let me explain why. although i dont share his view on several matters of law that came up today and while i imagine i don't share his politics, i've always believed bill barr to be a man of ining it rety, a principaled man. he said the right thupgs ings a
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as i'm concerned about bob mueller's character, specifically it wasn't a witch hunt, which we know and that he would do what he could to protect it. that mueller would not be removed except for good cause and that he, bill barr, couldn't imagine mueller doing anything that would rise to the level of good cause. those type of statements give me great comfort and i think bill barr undoubtedly will be confirmed to the job. sfwr >> we're all assuming there's going to be a nicely bountd 400-page report easy for every american to understand. what he will get is different from what he will are lease to us? >> i think mr. barr daid a good
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job of being clear. he said look, i get a confidential report. in theory he could take verbatim everything that is in the robert mueller report and make it public. he sdruz tdoes have the power t that. so i thought he was being cute by suggesting it was a requirement it be something literally different. >> things like grand jury information would be seeld off from the rest of us anyway. >> certainly who's right when he says there are regulations that might preclude -- i dont know can there's going to be something that's national security. certainly he would have the obligation to go through that report and see if anything would be precluded from being mod public. i don't think that answers the question. i differ from chuck rosenberg,
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but it's certain true and i think clear that barr's saying he's not getting fewered on my watch. if i thought i was being directed to do something inappropriate, i would resign. certainly those are comforting statements but remember the memorandum stated the president had very broad powers to start and stop prosecution. he didn't distance himself lat from that statement in the memo. which sets up the potential for if bob mueller says in my report i actually am recommending that there was abuse of authority here and actually obstruction of justice and he says i don't think that's actually warranted. he would have to write a report. but it doesn't actually square necessarily whether he will be in lock step lat all with rober
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mueller simply because he respects him. i think he was creative and smart in his answers. i don't disbelieve him about his strong feelingsing about the law but i think there are things that should give us pause. >> some said there were two bill barr's at the hearing. the guy who wrote this voluminous memo no one asked for that was sent all around town. and the bill barr who said my life is pretty great, my family and me. i wasn't looking for work. it's in the eyes of the beholder to decide that. one thing there wasn't, fireworks, not a single protester. was it the way it seemed to us? >> i do think you saw bill barr today who was softing some of the things he said. he took more of an advocate's
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point of view in making public comment cans about the way the things were going. even before the trumped administration had been an out spokened a vlkt f spoken advocate for the president. i think he had a more measured accounting of his views. saying what he needs to say to reassure him that he's not going to be a tool of the president but he's going to be an independent administrator of the department of justice the waw he was when he was working for the bush administration, bush 41. obviously he's presenting himself because he wants to win conformation. staying consistent with how he's planning to run the justice department at this point. but there are going to be places where people say you said this then and now you're saying this now.
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and they're going to find contrast draw. >> we spoke about the following topic but because of your years of service to the fbi i wanted to raise it agon. the opening headline on fox news10:00 p.m. hour was the fbi's sicking war against trump. and said this is an all-powerful out of control rogue agency and it's time be halted in its tracks, reorganizeinized and replaced with a new organization. it's time that the fbi be halted. it's not about fox news, it's about senator graham who opened today with an attack on doj and the fbi. and my question to you is how do you square this concerning this agency where you've spent so much of your adult life? >> i found those comments on fox and by the chairman despicable and disgusting, brian. i have stronger words but i
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won't use them here. what's happening, sadly, is an effort to undermine the men and women of the fbi. and we discussed this earlier. when they're execute canniing at warrant, they need people to trust what they are and what they do because what they are and what they do is protect us. and so to the extent that this constant drum beat, this drip, drip, drip undermines them and their work, it's deeply destructive. the fbi i worked for jim comey and bob mueller is closely tegterred to the ruth of law and the constitution. in fact in the counterintelligence world it's the most highly regulated and closely supervised work they do. so the notion this is a rogue agency out on a frolic and
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detour is just nonsense and it's deeply hurtful and doopeeply destructive. >> let me take the other side of the argument to make the point that for a republican ag nominee for donald trump, this man today really did try to stake his claim to independence and went out of his way to say the right things regarding the integrity of the investigations. if you're donald trump who has wistfully spoken of where is my roy cone, is this a case of be careful what you wish for? >> i kept going back to the can question of why does william barr want this job? and i think he was getting some of those questions today. it's an incredibly powerful and important position. and who wouldn't want to be the nation's top lawyer and he's bun the nation's top lawyer for a
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sitting president and he's seen trump's behavior repeatedly towards the department he loves. i don't disbelieve at all that william barr loves the department of justice and is committed to it. not for a minute do i question that. so it's hard to square how this relationship will play out if he is in fact confirmed. certainly i believe him when he says i will resign before i'm willing to do something that is completely wrong. i'm just concerned though how he will interpret that in conjunction with his read of vast executive power on the part of the president. and remember that we know that he dooply shocked that memo that he wrote around washington including sending it to jared kushner's attorney. it does seem like he wanted the job.
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i can't believe i didn't get nominated. >> share with our viewers the gist of the piece you wrote tonight regarding an interaction you had with barr in i believe 2017. >> he was asked about a quote and story i wrote in 2017 quote canning him. it was a time when the president was calling on the justice department to open investigations into hillary clinton and his political foes and i reached out to all or most of the living attorney generals. and he answered and said there's nothing wrong. >> the president calling for an investigation. he said it depends on the circumstances of it. in an email he said for instance he thought there was more of a basis for investigating the hillary clinton your in aia one than the collusion on president trump. and that became an issue today at the haring. he remembered the
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quote somewhat differently and so i pulled out the email and put it on twitter so everybody could judge exactly what he said word for word and they can determine for themselves what he meant. the m des are saying he is buying into what the fox news people say about hillary clinton and minimizing the possibility there's a can collusion predicate that bob mueller's running in the email. that's over reading what that's saying. i was just making an argument that there are lots of things out there and that justice department could or could not investigate. >> can't thank our big three enough after this long tuesday from washington to new york and points west. our thanks. and coming up for us the news from london that is likely maybing vladimir putin very happy. and later day 25 of this
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shutdown stalemate. all congress could steam agree on today was steve kung.
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all congress could steam agree all congress could steam agree . important developments over these past 24 hours. as we said that are likely to have pleased vladimir putin. it was just last night at this time our friends at the "new york times" reported president trump discussed pulling the united states from nato on multiple occasions last year. major parts of the united states government, as you're aware, remain closed tonight, as the longest shutdown in our history is about to enter its 26th day and tonight our closest ally across the atlantic is regrouping while it decides on nothing short of the future of its economy and culture.
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earlier today the british parliament resoundingly rejected teresa m teresa may's plan to neat eu. not by a margin of 230 votes. making it the most lopsided major vote in the post world war i of great britain. after today's vote, may call canned on members of parliament to find some sort of a path forward. >> it is clear that house does not support this deal. but tonight's vote tells us nothing about what it does support. nothing about how -- nothing about how or even if it intends to honor the decision the british people took in a referendum parliament decided to hold and youth citizens who have made their home and those in the eu deserve clarity on these questions as soon as possible.
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>> no one quite does understatement like the brits. the "new york times" reports that with no clear consnss forward, more radical solutions are gaining momentum. one group is campaigning for a repeat referendum which could reverse the eu. another favors leaving the bloc as planned march 29 without a withdrawal agreement, the so-called hard brexit. year so fofrp into the have tonight nicolas kristoff. why is it important to all americans what happened in the house of commons today? >> so if britain pulls without a hard brexit,en the there will be disarray and a huge blow to the british economy and european
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economy at time when they're weak and that's going to have ramifications around the world. the european union was not put unplace as an economic measure but really as a security architecture repeat of the world wars. and what we're seeing being challenged is architecture put place 70 years ago. the un, what became the european union, trade organizations, nato, did try to prevent global chaos and further wars. and you've sort of eluded to this early on and russia and china have been trying to undermine this architecture all along because they've worked so longing to the west's advantage
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and now they're being dismantled by their own side. >> i don't want to get too cute in a tv way but why isn't this a great night to be in the kremlin? talk of the u.s. pulling out. our longest alliance. the special relationship between the u.s. and the u krgs. american upon american. our politics laze broken by the side of the road. all of these things together. >> that's right and both russia and china have made the argument that well democracy may look nice but it doesn't lead to efficient outcomes, to a nation's strength and you look at britain and a country and an economy on the abyss. you look at an america where the government is shut down and in complete chaos. france, italy huge problems of their own. germany has a much weaker leader or is about to assume a weaker leader.
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and they're more able to make those arguments now than they were a year ortwo ago. and you know, for those of us that think that we fundamentally do have the right kind of government and structure, it's really sad to see our sad enabling russia to make those arguments more compleingly in ways that will disadvantage our government and economy and societies perhaps for years to come. >> the one sign it tcientific et that we reference more than other is the famous frogging boiling experiment. the slow death of our friend the frog. it's my contention we've yet to grasp the headline in your newspaper friday night that an american president because of his actions and words did enough to trigger an inquiry on whether or not he was a witting or
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unwutiunwu unwitting tool of a hostile power. >> it was so staggering to even see that in the newspaper. i mean i instagramed it because it was so incredible to see it. whether it's witting or unwitting, it's the cos. i mean there is no doubt -- i dont know whether president trump thinks he's doing this on behalf of the kremlin but his policies are clearly benefitting the putin -- and if putin wanted to create arguments to undermine the u.s. too, undermine britain, the western order,en the he would be seeking to shut down the u.s. government for a while, seeming to support the brexit campaigners, undermine the un, talk about withdrawing from nato and collapsing nato that has
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stood up to russia all along. pretty much exactly what president trump has been doing. is it witting? unwit withinging? i don't know but is it serving putin's interest? absolutely. >> thank you for revisiting our broadcast. from the noums. "new york times." as airports close more security lanes, thousands of furloughed faa staffers are called back to work but without pay. an an effort on today 's attempts to end the record. attempts to end the record s, ...trapping dirt and liquid inside the pad. plus, it prevents streaks better than a micro fiber strip mop. for a convenient clean, try swiffer wetjet.
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while republicans are feeling the heat, trump's impervious to people's pain which is disgusting but more and more are beginning to scramble. our argument is simple. open the government. thirty-two words, open the government. >> chuck schumer appearing on this kneltwonet wrb. day 25. house democrats boycotted a white house invuation to negotiate. our political unit reports it this way. moderate house democrats decline the luncheon invitation because they were on the menu. the strat agis too make an end-run around democratic leaders and caught deal that
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builds the wall and opens the government. president trump maintains he won't sign anything that doesn't include billions for his wall which he now call as barrier. and a judge denies a request to pay air traffic controllers. that ruling came down even as some furloughed workers at the irs,tops of thousands of them in the faa are being called back to work without pay. with us tonight to talk about it is donna edwards. and phil rucker, pulitzer prize winner for the "washington post." phil, any movement, any off ramps that you know of? >> none, brian. and that's the problem facing democratic and republican leaders on capitol hill. they know it's possible to get out of this shutdown quickly. they can pass the spending bills that already cleared the house
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and sort of table a debate on border security. but that's not something the president will tolerate or support. he's demanding his border wall funding and democrats will not support that. and now we have a stalemate. there has been no negotiation between the white house and democratic congressional leaders in several days now. i'm not sure any is on the agenda tomorrow, at loos with the leadership. and so federal workers are in the cross hairs and they're growing increasingly concerned there's no end in sight. >> i've heard what it would take is the tsa not coming nothing to work. pick a day, tomorrow. strangling u.s. air transportation. that would get everybody's atngz. when chuck schumer says they're impervious to people's pain.
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>> here's the thing. first all of federal workers do believe in the work they do and they don't want to act irsponsally. the respaupsable thing is to pass the spending bills that have already passed. there are republicans who are rumbling and it is going to compel mitch mcconnell to bring those bills up for a vote. and then do the legislative work. if the president doesn't want to sign the bills or wants to veto those bills, he can do that but the federal government will open because those bills will have passed the house and the senate and there would be an override of that veto. there is an off ramp and the off ramp is to open government by passing the spending bills. negotiate later if you want to over border security. democrats continue to offer up border security, whether it's technology, or personnel and
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smart ways to do border security and so this notion that somehow democrats have not kept that on the table is real a just wrong. and there are not going to be democrats who break with the democratic leadership because democrats are actually united in the call to open government and provide smart border security. >> phil, it's not like congress can't agree on anything. they agreed to condemn the racist language of steve kung. he's already been stripped of his committee assignments. i want to play a clip from a radio interview he gave tonight. >> we reached a place where now i'm pretty comfortable with this. i'm at peace in my soul with this and confident what i have done, you know, has been true and right and just and hoppest. honest. and a bunch of those folks over there, i don't condemn anybody, especially not to eternity.
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but i would -- i'm very comfortable standing before god and answering to all of this. >> he is barely hanging on to a congressional seat from iowa. is this story over? >> i don't think it is. he has been condemd this week over the racist remarks. but that's not the first time congressman king has made racist remarks like this. i've been covering him for years. he is always a flam buoyant speaker and who's made racist comments before and republican leaders have turned the other way when he's done so. this is the first time they're confronting it head on, condemning him in the congress today. we'll see if perhaps there's any sort of move to pressure him to resign or expel him. and i'm interested to see when
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president trump is going to weigh in on this. he was asked about these comments and claimed not to be awater of hum, despite all themany hours we know he watches cable television. he missed all the reporting on congressman king's remarks. we'll see what he says the next time he's asked. >> he's been steve king the same guy for many years. do you think this correctly can be converted into shining a brighter light on the president's choice of words and ideology? >> reporter: there certainly is a link between the president and steve king. there's virtually no daylight between some of the remarks the president has made and steve king. and frankly i don't think the action that was taken today on the house floor while a motion of disapproval i think is important, i think it's time for steve king to leave the congress.
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this is not about choice of free speech. he can have his free speech outside the congress of the united states. he's brought real repute and i think the republican party needs to cut hum loose, otherwise it's like a cancer that continues to grow on the republican party. and the des moines register called for his registration. this is the first time an iowa democrat, iowa representative has not served on the agriculture committee is important to iowa. he's not serving the citizens of his congressional dust rgt. i think it's time for him to leave and he can have all the free speech he wants. >> congresswoman donna edwards, phil rutger. coming up another dark night
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on early 2019, we'll ask the historian john meacham what the might take to repair paua parald government. o repair paua paralye government
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despite hundreds of thousands of federal employees going without paychecks due to the shutdown and stories of hardship in just about every community in america, it's not enough to get everyone in our government to muf. the great divide has brought us the it longest ever government shutdown. we're fofrp into trtunate to ha jon meacham whose latest book "the it sosoul of america." speaking of exits, there's the failure of brexit and a huge
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question mark over our special relationship. anden t then there's the fact t our government is paralyzed. please. >> everything is working out great. one thing that worries me most about the shutdown is one of the main reasons he's president is because of an erosion of trust and institutions that built nato that gave rise to the marshal clan that gave authorize second world war. the poll found the highest -- do you trust the federal government to do the right thing some or most of the right thing? 77% in 1974. it's now at 17% and falling. and you have this, i think, the sense that world's collapsing and people, when the world's collapsing, what you hope they do is reach for order. what they reach for in 2016 was they reached for more chaos. and the big question for every
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political leader who's not named trump is what can we do? what can we say persistently to making the case these institutions are worth defending? >> does this shutdown -- 1994/1995 clinton shutdown is hazy. this the one we remember for all the wrong reasons? and how are we ever going to attract people to work in government jobs again? it can be a noble calling as you know. >> absolutely. >> basically clinton in some ways said to gingrich you say you don't want government. let's close it down and gingrich did it and the country decided thaw wanted the government. so we found ourselves up this ce sentrist position. this is spiffing.
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and donald trump has the remarkable cupaapacity to dazzls and distract us from the big questions that we face. the fight over this particular border, this wall i don't think is going to turn out well for him because ultimately the country knows whether they know it intellectually that we've always done better the wider we open our arms. it's a conservative point. free ideas, free men, free flow of goods. if you believe in adam smith, you believe in anope. world. let's get out there and compete. i was thinking the other day first time george h.w. bush went back to the white house was to sell nafta and it was ford,
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carter, clinton and bush. and clinton gets up andu gives this marvelous of why it's pufferth. and 41 gets up and says weef rr just seen wuonce again why he's here and i'm not. carter, ford ran against each other. and it represents -- now, somebody thop othon the other s going to it say easy for you because you're not struggling. fair enough. but if you look at this, prosperity leads to reform, reform leads to what jefferson called the pursuit of happiness. >> we'll pursue a final question with john meacham on the other side of this brag. with john mear side of this brag.
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we are back with the historian and father, john meacham.
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our father'sgeneration went to their graves probably believing that white nationalism was at least defeated up theratime. and wouldn't roar back and be a thing in this country they loved. how wrong they were. >> how wrong they were. persistent theme that developed right after apmatic. apmattocks. the surrender was barely dry. richmond journalist wrote something call "the lost cause a new southern history of the late war." there was no old hust ra. he was sawing we have to kaur a on this battle by other moopz. means. it's about we have to fight against consolidated government. which was their from centralized
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government. this is about white supremacy and not slave ra. 55 years ago we lived in functional apartheid. it took rosa parks, john lewis, this remarkable protest far from the centers of power to reach the centers of power. but there's something in the americ american character and certainly the european character that this flames up and it's kwhie why it requires eternal vigilant because if you don't stomp it out in the beginning, it gets bugger. >> this would have been the 90th birthday of the reverend martin luther king jr. >> we know taylor branch called
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dr. king a 20th century founding father. a modern founding father and what he did in terms of nonviolence unthat speech of august of 1963 called on us to real a fulfill what jefferson laid out. you know he died on the cool side of the mount. he was fd vietnam, economic injustice. i know we would have bun a better country if he would have continued to lead us. coming up theman and women on watch tonight, they have our back. the problem is the government is not currently behind them. goves not currently behind them. (vo hand) can we talk?
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guard personnel and families in need because their families are hurting because washington is fighting and from the fda to the tsa to the that's our broadcast on a tuesday night. thank you so much for being with us. good night from nbc headquarters here in new york. ♪ >> tonight on all in. president trump putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> the alarm bells keep sounding. >> the president of the united states is a clear and present danger. to the national security of the united states.

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