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include wall funding. as we approach day 35 of the shutdown, federal workers who never dreamed they would need to rely on a food bank are about to miss a second pay period. plus, a subpoena for michael cohn, the man who needed guilty to them and we'll learn about paul manafort, what he has been accused of withholding from the mueller team. that's tomorrow. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a thursday night. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters in new york. day 735 of the trump administration. at the could that collusion of this hour, it will be day 35 of the longest ever shutdown. nearly a million federal workers will miss a second paycheck. look at these pictures and remember what this is not. this is not federal aid from fema. this is not disaster relief after a hurricane or a tornado or a fire.
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this is a food bank, charity in effect for federal workers, our fellow citizens, public servants who can't afford food for their families. the reality of this crisis appears to be sinking in for one donald trump and his white house, and the search for the off-ramp may be underway. it was a bad day on the let them eat cake front and this was just last night. we were on the air, on this broadcast when the president agreed to hold off on the state of the union until the union was up and running again. today in the senate there were two votes on competing plans to end the shutdown. one from trump. the other from the democrats. both of them failed but the democrats' plan notably gathered more yes votes than trump's version. six republican senators, forgive me. they crossed the aisle to support the democrats' proposal. that kind of thing can get
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majority leader's attention and indeed, the vote appears to have jump started talks between mcconnell and schumer. democrats and democrats. while those talks were going on, trump appeared on camera to signal he could be open to some kind of a deal. >> well, one of the ideas suggested is that they pay sort of a pro-rated down payment for the wall, which i think people would agree that you need. you need the wall. >> is mitch mcconnell and schumerer can come to an agreement -- >> it depends what the agreement is. if they come to an agreement, i would support it. >> even if it has no wall money? >> look, i have other alternatives if i have to. >> while people scramble to figure out when a pro-rated down payment is, tonight our nbc news colleagues on the hill report that senator schumer has ruled out any pro-rating for the wall.
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and nancy pelosi called a down payment notion unreasonable. democrats are expected to present a knew border security package but that isn't a sure thing. with this shutdown approaching its sixth week, the strains are coming out in the open. they read mitch mcconnell the rite act saying the shutdown needs to end soon. this was rare. please note this exchange between republican ted cruz and democrat michael bennett. >> the democrats are fond of using the phrase, hostage taking. they are quite literally holding the men and women of the coast guard hostage because they want to win a political victory against the president. their objective here is to have the president back down and have not a single mile of a border
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wall built. >> these crocodile tears the senator from texas is crying for first responders are too hard for me to take. they're too hard for me to take. because when you, when the senator from texas shut this government down, in 2013, my state was flooded. it was under water. people were killed. people's houses were destroyed. their small businesses were r n ruined forever. how ludicrous it is that this government is shut down over a promise the prosecutes couldn't keep. >> the trump administration is coming under fire. not just for the shutdown but what many see as an appalling and obvious look of emfathy for the hundreds and thousands of workers not being paid and a failure to understand the real world impact of being furloughed. there was this today from white house economic adviser larry
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kudlow. >> as soon as this thing goes, the switch will be turned on, the payments will be made, we will go back to normal. this is just a glitch. i don't think i'm out of touch. i am addressing the problem. i met with my staff members and god bless them, they're working for free. they're volunteering. >> how would you call working without pay volunteering? >> they're showing up. >> but that's not volunteering if you're forced to work without pay. if you don't show up, you lose your job. that's not what volunteering means. they do it because of their love for the country and the office of the presidency and presumably their allegiance to president trump. whatever, they're doing it. give them some credit. >> then there are the comments from will better ross, the commerce secretary who has been called the king of bankruptcy in the business world because of his record of buying broke companies and because of his
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great personal wealth. he was in the news not long ago for a pair of $600 velvet slimmers he apparently customize with the logo, commerce department. here's what he said on hive television on cnbc this morning. >> we've had shutdowns before, albeit for not such a long period as we've been thus far. but put it in perspective. you're talking about 800,000 workers. while i feel sorry for the individuals that have hardship cases, 800,000 workers, if they never got their pay, which is not the case, they will eventually get it -- >> mr. secretary, there are reports that there are some federal workers going on homeless shelters to get food. >> well, i know they are and i don't really quite understand why. because as i mentioned before, the obligation that's they would undertake, say borrowing from the bank or a credit union, are
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in effect, federally guaranteed. so the 30 days of pay some people will be out is no real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan against it. >> this afternoon, the president was asked about his commerce secretary's remark and offered up this explanation. >> i haven't heard the statement but i do understand that perhaps he should have said it differently. local people know who they are, where they go for groceries and everything else. i think what wilbur was trying the say, they should work along. they've known them for years. the grocery store, and i think that's probably what he meant. >> harkening back to the day of the corner grocery. tim o'brian, executive editor of bloomberg opinion and the author of trump nation, the art of
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being the donald. and nancy cook, white house reporter for politico. so tamara, tell us about the effect of these test votes today. as we said, there is nothing like watching, figuratively, republicans walk across the aisle to join democrats to get the attention of the majority leader, ergo, the west wing as well. >> right. these test votes were test votes that they knew would fail, but the president had worked really hard to keep republicans in line. he had this meeting at the white house on wednesday with conservative leaders. conservative movement types. and have really pressed on them to get their people to call their senators to make sure people stayed in lines, that senators stayed, supported the president's position that they didn't stray. but then you get six republican senators voting for the democratic bill. what that says is not just that they voted to reopen the government but they also voted
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to reopen the government without funding the wall. and that sent a big signal. the president tried to down play it in his remarks to the reporters but you can't downplay that six members of his own party walked across the line. >> i read your stuff, i know you have the best words. can you put into words the pressure on donald trump right now? >> there is a tremendous amount of pressure. the white house is really desperate for an exit strategy at this point. polling has consistently shown that the majority of voters in numerous polls are holding the republicans and trump responsible. and we really saw trump do an unusual thing over the last 24 hours. he has backed down. he decided that he wasn't going to try to held to state of the union this coming tuesday at the house of representatives, as was planned. and then even today, he admitted, or he said that he would accept a short term funding bill, potentialfully there was some wall money in it.
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that's a huge concession for him on two things and something he doesn't normally do. >> a good word user and enthusiast. i want to talk to you about empathy. this is about the words we just saw from secretary ross and larry kudlow today. the twin appearances underscored a tone deafness that has become more pro announced in the trump administration as the polite of approximately 800,000 federal workers worsens. trump has made no appearances at area food banks or other gathering places for furloughed workers, nor has he used the bully pulpit of his office to spotlight their basic struggles. what are we learning and seeing about donald trump that you learned and saw long ago in your reporting? >> well, he is an affluent man who was born into wealth and he doesn't have an authentic connection to the struggles and the needs of average people. we saw that when puerto rico got hit by a hurricane.
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it took the president a long time to go to a war zone. he didn't get out to california when the wildfires were burning and now he has shut down a government and the people working for him are struggling and he doesn't have any empathy with what that struggle involves. it is not just ross and kudlow. members of his own family, laura trump, his daughter-in-law said this is a little bit of a pain for the people going through this. yes, they can't pay their rent, yes, they're struggling with their mortgages but they have to understand the president is trying. all three individuals don't really have to work for a living. they have income coming in from things besides their jobs and they don't know what it is like to suddenly be cut off from a job. and i think beyond the lack of empathy, there is also a lack of strategic sophistication. they have lost the messaging. symbolically now, not only has trump said, as famously as he did in december, i'm willing to
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own the shutdown. he is being painted publicly as someone who doesn't care about the human impact of the shutdown as well. and that will live with him for a long time. >> then there is the ball game, score keeping of all of this victory, pelosi last night when donald trump agreed to hold off on the state of the union until after the union was up and running again. he commented on that today. we'll run this and talk about it on the other side. >> well, it is really her choice. i would have double it in a different location but i think that would be very disrespectful to the state of the union, to pick some other place. i could have done it. i could have gotten to a big auditorium and gotten 25,000 people in one day. i think what she said is reasonable. we'll have the state of the union when the shutdown is over. >> when do you think that will be? >> that i can't tell you. >> if you were a betting woman and who knows, you may be, do you think we'll be covering a state of the union next tuesday night? >> i don't think next tuesday night. at this point it would be really
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hard to get all those gears moving and in place, even if they somehow find a way to reopen the government this weekend. it is sort of remarkable to see the president saying, well, it's nancy pelosi's prerogative. just hours after he had said, i'm coming. tried to call her bluff and she said no. you're not coming. and then he was like, oh, okay. the reality is he says that the, the state of the union, if you're delivering it in an arena somewhere, is not going to be covered the same way as the state of the union if he's speaking from the well of the house chamber. >> i think some people picture dustin hoffman showing up in the back of the house chamber to get in. what have we learned about how trump is adjusting to nancy pelosi with whom he shares politics and a generation in america? has he met his match that he didn't see coming? >> i think he's met his match.
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trump has had a very interesting and strange history with women. attractive women. >> so we've read. >> he treats them like ornaments on his christmas tree. and then he's had strong minded women in his organization. they tend not to be women he is interested in romantically and he has varying levels of respecter to them. i think in nancy pelosi, he has authentic respect. we have come to understand that i don't think he understood the full range of her powers until about 15 minutes ago and that the speaker of the house can prevent him from coming into her house and prevent him from giving a speech. >> when do we know this starts to break? >> i think we are seeing both sides take heat. for me one of the signs people are starting to feel heat is that mitch mcconnell is coming off the sidelines. he is starting to get a bit more
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involved. he put this message bill on the senate floor today. he is starting to meet with schumer. he has been talking with trump and back chaneling with him throughout. i think many people at this point, given the lack of strategy coming out of the white house, think the shutdown will blend a deal is cut between mitch mcconnell and chuck sxhoom nancy pelosi and that's when it will be done. >> we'll look for it. what we like to think of as the fastest 15 minutes in television. thanks to our guests tonight. we'll have you all back. thank you for starting off our conversation. coming up, a new opportunity for michael cohen to talk before he goes off to jail. this invite, however, not optional. plus, preparing for a paul manafort sighting in federal court tomorrow. and later, bill kristol is here talking about what it will take to get the government up and working again.
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we're working to make things simple, easy and awesome. one day after backing out of testimony before a house committee, michael cohen was served a subpoena from the senate intelligence committee and it is compelling him to return and clarify what lies he told during previous closed door testimony. cohen had initially agreed to voluntarily testify, publicly, you may recall, february 7th it was date circled on everybody's
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calendar in front of the house committee. just yesterday he pulled the plug on the president of the united states and his lawyer, rudolph giuliani, against his family. here's some of what we're talking about. >> his father-in-law is a very rich guy. his father-in-law, i thought, was the guy that was the primary focus. what did dough? did he make a deal to keep his father-in-law out? did he make a deal to keep his wife, supposedly, maybe i'm wrong but you can check it. did he make a deal to keep his wife out of trouble? >> we are so distorting the system of justice just to get donald trump. it will hurt us. >> it's okay to go after the father-in-law. >> of course it is. if the father-in-law is a criminal. >> cohen's legal adviser is calling those comments criminal. >> this is classic mob technique, to send a signal to the individual who mr. trump has called a rat for telling the truthful now, that word rat comes directly out of organized
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crime. it is also a signal to other inmates that the family of michael cohen has been called out by donald trump. once again, he ducks or lies about what he knows he's done which is to attack a father-in-law and a wife as a way of getting to mr. cohen, and that is called witness tampering, obstruction of justice. >> meanwhile, due back in federal court tomorrow. a judge demanded paul manafort attend a hearing to address charges that he lied to the special counsel. prosecutors will lay out exactly how manafort violated his plea deal. in a court filing, his lawyers pushed back against notion their client lied insisting he had difficulty remembering the details of what occurred. also developing tonight, and this is new, exclusive reporting about the president's son-in-law and concerns over foreign contacts he made during the campaign. nbc news has learned, quote, jared kushner's application for
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a top secret cleerngs was rejected by two career white house security specialists after an fbi background check raised concerns about potential foreign influence on him but their supervisor overruled and it approved the clearance. two sources familiar with it told nbc news, and according to the same report, kushner was one of 30 cases in which this executive kline overruled career security and exerts and approved a top secret clearance for incoming trump officials, despite unfavorable information, the two sources said. we're happy to have back with us to talk about all of it. the former assistant attorney for the southern district in new york. why, welcome, thank you for coming in. why would you back out of house testimony knowing that the dangling of a subpoena is always a threat to you? >> well, i think, we have to
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take michael cohen at his word, which is that he felt intimidated. right? that he felt there was a threat to his family and there's certainly a public record that creates a very straight line between what he's saying and how he's feeling. i want to distinguish that from the law. what i mean here is, he obviously always had the ability to sort of say to the house, i really would prefer not to testify. and obviously, mueller would prefer he not testify. any prosecutor does not want their witness testifying before a different tribunal, or a different venue, because you don't want the creation of any potential, you know, ways in which that signals what you're investigating, the house proceeding would have been very public. unlike the senate and the subpoena we're seeing from the senate which would at least be behind closed doors. i think there's this overarching
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question of, how serious is this, that the president of the united states, the attorney representing the president of the united states, are making statements about whether or not prosecutors should be paying attention to the father-in-law or the wife of michael cohen. and legally, legally, that's a much harder case to prove witness tampering, because of the intent that you have to show. anything that's obstruction of justice is hard. but it's the president of the united states who himself has said essentially, i'm the prosecutor in chief. i am also going to nominate people to be attorney general who believe that my power is so plenary that i direct criminal prosecution. we have the legal standard but
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we have the politics and something that i would consider comes up to the line of abuse of power that has to be taken into account by congress. >> if michael cohen has lied previously to congressional committees or a committee, why tell the truth now? >> look, there is nothing uncommon, unfortunately, about people who have done wrong, figuring out that it serves them better to do right. so you may lie in the first instance and then figure out, oh, that is not a good idea. i will be better off if i start telling the truthful that's essentially what michael cohen said. yes, i lied, i lied for reasons, i wish i hadn't lied and now i'll tell the truthful it is legitimate and common in our system for those on the other side to say, but why believe that person? in this instance, the people saying don't believe michael cohen are also people
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themselves, donald trump in particular, with a long list of statements he has made that are misrepresentations or factually inaccurate. >> finally, what might we learn from or about paul manafort tomorrow that we don't already know? >> i don't think we'll learn that much. i think it is important that what the federal judge is saying, i want to see you, these are very serious allegations. >> got permission to wear a suit to court tomorrow, even though there are no cameras. >> interesting, but i think the reality is a hearing. i don't know what we will learn. i think it is impossible not to take very seriously what a special counsel in this case, robert mueller, said back in december, which is they have evidence, evidence, of
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conversations between manafort and the administration directly and indirectly after their plea agreement with him. after the plea agreement and cooperation agreement with paul manafort. those are serious allegations. and if you put those together withal dwagss about what this administration has been doing around the mueller investigation. in totality, there is the possibility that one day, we might see a legitimate obstruction of justice fact pattern. >> ah, you and your fact patterns. counsellor, we are thankful for your wise counsel. thank you. what is the chance that we'll be covering a state of the union address, again, in this very studio, five days from now? bill kristol waiting in the wings with his shutdown prediction when we continue. tio.
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. what's your message to federal work here's are missing another paycheck? >> i love them, i respect them, i really appreciate the great job they're doing. many of those people who are not getting paid are totally in favor of what we're doing. they know the future of this country is dependent on having a
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strong border. special lay strong southern border. >> the top of the hour, we will have reached the 35th day of what is already the longest government shutdown ever. he says he loves and respects the federal work here's are going without a second paycheck tomorrow. earlier today, officials from several aviation unions yet again expressed growing concern for air safety during the shutdown. and every one's ears should perk up upon hearing this. at a press conference with democratic senators, warner and kaine of virginia, one morning it came from the air traffic controllers's association. >> training has not happened in 34 days. think about your athletes that train every day. our highly skilled, highly trained professionals are coming to work but training is not happening. we have built a system over the last four years of a layer of safety net. and over the course of the last 34 days, that net is
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deteriorating. and i keep telling people, i don't know when but i can see the unraveling happening. >> meanwhile, reports that frustration is growing among republicans. republican senators clashed with one another and confronted vice president pence inside a private luncheon on thursday as anger hit a boiling point over the longest shutdown in history. this is your fault, senator ron johnson told majority leader mitch mcconnell. are you suggesting i'm enjoying this? he snapped back. the spokesman said he was expressing frustration with the day's proceedings in the senate. ie, two failed test votes. with us, we're happy to have bill kristol, veteran of the bush and reagan administrations, and editor at large of the bulwark. thank you for coming in. i'll share our homework the
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viewers. you sat down and we were talking about the pall over our country and how depressing this is sow watchful. >> depressing in two ways. the people who are suffering and hurting. three ways. secondly, a lot of people depend on just dealing with the federal government to get on with their businesses and their lives. if you're selling soybeans, you need agriculture inspector to certify that they're okay to be shipped abroad. if you're building a smelter, you may not like the epa but you need it before you can get it going. so lots of people are at best, inconvenienced and really damaged. but people who aren't directly affected. just the sense that this is ridiculous. live from days without a quarter or a third of our government, over a totally phony fight with the wall. the democrats, whatever you think of them, they passed legislation reopening the government and said let's just set this aside with the border. and trump saying no and
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amazingly, and this is the core of it, mitch mcconnell and the senate republicans for 35 days have stuck with donald trump. not a single one of them think this is reasonable. they controlled congress for two years. they could have legislated on one of those bills that only takes 51 votes, not 60 votes. they could have built the wall. they chose not to. the trump administration chose not to make it a priority compared to tax cuts and other things and now they're having a fight over a phony issue and i think bits to snap for the senate republicans. this is a retired rear admiral in the coast guard who is the head of the coast guard assistance. the relief society. he said this today about how tightly stretched resources are. >> we got a call from a ship yesterday. they do very, very difficult labor sense withive work. very, very physically demanding and they were needing money to help replace their uniforms. i think the last time military didn't have enough money for
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uniforms was probably in the civil war. >> as they say, the whole world is watching. our coast guard can't get new unit forms. their families are going to food banks. what are people to think? >> i was talking to people this week and was bewilderment. it is one thing if you're in a horrible depression and you can't pay workers for two weeks or four weeks. this is entirely a self-inflicted wound and people might expect that donald trump isn't thinking too much. i come back to the senators and i think these reports, it is just the tip of the iceberg, the am of unhappiness. they've walked down a road that goes nowhere. mitch mcconnell led them down that road. maybe he felt towed get to this vote today where they would underperform the democrats and that would be the moment he could turn to trump and say, we have to end this. we're going to reopen the government and if you veto it,
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we're going to override you. is it really so courageous to say that? it's not a big deal. they won't lose most of them. most of them are in for six years. only a third are up for next time. the fact that they've been willing to go along with this. it is ridiculous to be shocked at this point by the degree to which republicans on the hill have gone along with the foolish and pernicious things the president has proposed and said and they've rationalized things they've done. but they are actively complicit. it is one thing not to criticize the president after charlottesville or to vote for a. at a bill that's not great. you're an anti-tax republican. but they can end this tomorrow. i do agree when em, this is on you, mitch. >> do you think we'll be covering the state of the union next tuesday night? >> i think it is not impossible. just tell the president, we're
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going to do. this nancy pelosi could say mr. president, if you sign this deal we've come to on monday, you can speak to the house tuesday. the president would probably love the idea of giving the state of the union. i think this is maybe a long shot but i think it could be coming to an end faster handle the people think. of course i've said that the last two weeks. i feel like the genuine humiliation of what's happening is beginning to get to republican senators who have swallowed a lot of humiliation over the last two years but they could stop it. >> i don't say it often enough. it is always a pleasure to have you here. coming up, the events set in motion after what took place in the trump white house exactly two years ago today involving that man. when we continue. that man when we continue with the chase ink business unlimited card, i get unlimited 1.5% cash back. it's so simple, i don't even have to think about it. so i think about mouthfeel.
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you know we love doing this. we love any item that begins with, on this day. on this day two years ago, michael flynn, president trump's first security adviser, was interviewed by the fbi. that precipitated what you might call a series of unfortunate events eventually leading to the creation of the mueller investigation. so let's take a moment to look at the anatomy of an investigation. here's what we know about why the fbi wanted to interview mike flynn in the first place. >> he came to our attention in the early part of january when there were statements made by the vice president in public about interactions that flynn, as the national security adviser, had with the russians. >> the fbi, he conducted the interview on the 24th. we got a readout on the 25th. >> we placed a call to flynn and said we're sending a couple guys over. hope you'll talk to them.
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he said sure. >> we believe that general flynn was compromised with respect to the russians. >> it was clear that he was lying. he lied to two fbi agents on the 24th of january in the situation room in a conference room. >> we felt it was critical that we get this information to the white house. the first thing we did was to explain to mr. mcgahn that the underlying conduct that mr. flynn had engaged in was problematic by itself. >> are you sure, his parent dishogsy about those communications, and his as a resulter in fwoilt blackmail? >> and they knew that he had misled the white house and ooze. >> he came back to me and it did not sound like an emergency. this man has served for many years. he is a general. in my opinion, a very good person. >> of course, michael flynn eventually pleaded guilty to lying to those fbi agents. he cooperated with the special
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counsel's office. as of tonight, he continues to cooperate. he is awaiting sentencing which has not yet been scheduled. another break for us. coming up, had we been on the air 54 years ago tonight, we would be covering the death of a giant of contemporary history. we'll talk about his life when we come back. or could it turn ot differently? i wanted to help protect myself. my doctor recommended eliquis. eliquis is proven to treat and help prevent another dvt or pe blood clot... almost 98 percent of patients on eliquis didn't experience another. ...and eliquis has significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. eliquis is fda approved and has both. don't stop eliquis unless your doctor tells you to. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. if you had a spinal injection while on eliquis call your doctor right away if you have tingling, numbness, or muscle weakness.
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54 years ago this evening, the world was reacting to the death of one of the lions of the last century. a man who saved his country and helped to save the free world and defeat tyranny. sir winston churchill passed away january 24th, 1965. somewhat incredibly, given a life of alcohol, cigars and a diet that let's just say, predated kale and avocado toast. winston churchill lived to the age of 90. for those of us who love
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history, we are blessed to have so many great his or the yandles on this broadcast. there's something about these days that has us looking to the leaders of the past and a new book has done just that. it is called churchill, walking with destiny. it is a colossal piece of work by the historian andrew roberts. it weighs in at 1,005 pages. at the risk of giving away the ending, it reads as follows. with enough spirit, he believed that we can rise above anything and create something truly magnificent of our lives. and the battles he won saved liberty. i'm here to tell you the other 1,004 pages are just as compelling. we are thrilled to have andrew roberts here tonight. it is a hefty work. i have a friend recovering from a fall and three broken ribs. she is unable to read it now because it is suppressing her
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inhalations. she promise when's she's better to read it. i've recommended to it her on tape. will we ever see his like again? we americans tend on view him as part of a pair with fdr, of course, americans being americans. will we ever see his kind again? >> well, you're right to see him as part of a pair. it is essential to see them together. did it take a world war for them to both, at least for churchill, to come to power so maybe we shouldn't expect to see his like again. but it would be very difficult otherwise. because modern politics doesn't often allow people to make huge mistakes and did he make mistakes. he just learned from them. >> in the u.k. right now, you're dealing with a political crisis and it is kind of a test of leadership. we have tests of leadership in this country every day. what was it about his, to rise up and save a vulnerable but
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tough island nation? >> he saw it all coming, of course. he had amazing foresight. he was capable of spotting the rise of hitler and the nazis and he actually gave a prescription about gave a prescription about what to do. although the british people didn't take any notice of him until it was almost too late, they did remember that he had actually got it right. this is one of the reasons that he was propelled to the premiership. >> just how quirky was he as a person? >> hugely. immensive esent rick figure. pretty much every page of this book has something strange or unusual about this incredible man. >> i turn to my own dogear. >> right. >> page where are we? 611. time spent dressing and undressing what theoretically less time spent on the war, although he tended to talk to private secretaries or dictate to his secretaries while dressing, undressing, shaving and even sometimes bathing. this was a quirky guy.
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>> he was. and actually also to save time, he had zips put on his shoes so that he could zip up his shoes. >> the previous -- that i didn't wear. and he made an overall for himself. and a siren suit made out of velvet that meant that he could wear the same clothes every day pretty much whenever he wasn't in the house of commons with a great big pocket on the front for his significacigars. >> what broke my heart at the end of the book before ending on inspiration. you talk about modern opinion polls of teenagers in the uk, about people generally about awareness of winston churchill, this is disturbing. >> it is. 1/5 of all british teenagers think that winston churchill is a fictional character. even though 47% of them think that sherlock holmes was a real person and 53% thought eleanor rig rigby was a real person.
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>> we have a quote about churchill in the white house. which is also an incredible portion of this book. "churchill lived in the white house for three weeks. although churchill breakfasted alone as he always did, he lunched and dined with roosevelt and harry hopkins, who i add lived in the white house during world war ii most days. they spent long hours in the map room talking strategy. it was there churchill secure the movement of over 60,000 american troops to garrison northern ireland. you talk about his life and lifestyle. i think most americans, even those of us who devour works of history think that at any given time he would have a measurable blood alcohol count. was he -- respectfully, was he pickled most of the time? >> absolutely not. no. there is a great line, in fact, from one of his friends who said winston churchill could have been an alcoholic because no
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alcoholic could have drunk that much. >> well, that's true. >> he had an extraordinary iron capacity for alcohol. >> i hope our fellow lovers of history take this on. take your time. it's good to work out with. simply raising it and reading it. what a towering, staggering work, really your life's work. great to see you again. >> thank you, brian. >> thank you very much for coming in. andrew roberts with us here tonight. coming up, more stories from public servants, some in their struggles of their lives when we continue. es when we continue with advil, you'll ask... what sore muscles? what pounding head? advil is... relief that's fast. strength that lasts. you'll ask... what pain? with advil.
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faye, what would you say to president trump if you had a minute? >> president trump, no disrespect, ms. nancy is not going to give you that wall. mr. trump, you need to stop holding us hostage. you show more love to putin, kim jong-un. show us some love. stop it. let us go back to work. >> last thing before we go tonight, our effort to bring you the voices all this week of our fellow citizens, the public servants, the federal workers who are struggling to get by with no income due to the government shutdown. we begin this collection with an epa inspector. >> for example, we go out and
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do, say, drinking water inspections. we're looking for say lead and arsenic and copper in drinking water. that's not being done. we do air inspections. we do groundwater inspections. we do inspections of hazardous waste facilities and none of that is being done. >> i wasn't behind on my bills until the shutdown. why should i have to take out on a loan on something that wasn't even my fault? let me get back to work. >> just pay us. pay my family. because my husband has to pay. he has obligations. we have obligations. we have children. he said it. he owns it. so he owns it. this is his shutdown. so i blame him. >> it's been all about trying to figure out a game plan for how to get through it. in the first week of january, i even made the backup of the backup plan of figuring out if i had to move out of my place, where would i go? i have a friend i can move in with which wouldn't be ideal because it would more than
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double my one-way commute when the government opens back up, at least then i would still have a roof over my head if i had to do it. i try not to think about it too much because it's completely overwhelming. >> my bank account's empty. i mean, i'm maxed out everything i can max out. >> and we close with another reminder tonight that at any given time there are 5,000 aircraft over this great country of ours, all of them, all of these routes you see here are being routed and controlled by public servants working without pay. remember them, especially if you're flying or know and love someone who is. but we wanted to bring you the voices of the public servants again tonight. that is our broadcast for this thursday evening. we thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york.
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thanks to you at home for joining us tonight. lots of moving parts here tonight, we're after course in day 34 of the government shutdown with the federal -- with federal employees warning about an air safety environment that is deteriorating by the day. that's an alarming assessment with food stamps slated to stop altogether for millions of families across the country with the fbi warning darkly about active serious criminal and counterintelligence investigations being brought to a halt. with hundreds of thousands of employees of all kinds being required to show up for work at the risk of being fired if they don't, even while they are not being paid, for a second month now. the president's top economic adviser has now said that it's

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