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in 11 states n. wisconsin, it's so cold, they're not delivering beer. no beer? you know why, it would freeze on the trucks. so suffice it to say, it is so cold. if you are in the vortex, stay inside where the beer is not frozen. whatever you do, keep those corneas nice and toasty. that all we have tonight. we will be back tomorrow. "the beat" with ari begins right now. >> the you put a nice absolute bottle in the freezer, it stays liquid. >> i'm a popoff guy. does that mean? >> i didn't mean to be brand specific. this is not a political ad. this is not an endorsement. just a tip. bye, chuck. it is cold. we are covering a lot of stories on "the beat." there is an important clash between billionaires flirting with running for president and progressives running, i have a lot on that later. plus, one of trump's loudest
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pledges about creating thousands of manufacturing jobs may all be crumbling tonight. plus, a wild account about how some trump aide os heard a pitch before they actually did. we will get to that. we begin with breaking news. [ music playing ] a new filing from bob mueller is shaking things up tonight right now. and this has new allegations against russian operatives who are trying to gain the u.s. legal system, mislead the american public and even undermine the mueller probe. now, we're reporting this right now because mueller put it out right now. the allegations that lawyers and representatives of an indicted russian internet company are now taking information that they gleaned, specifically from the mueller probe, altering it and trying to disseminate it throughout america. now, we've all heard the cliche before america's enemies try to use america's strengths against us. like you've heard leaders say terrorists exploit our open society or propagandaists use
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the freedom of speech to uncut our public debates. let me tell you something out front. right now tonight one of those times that is happening. >> that is concerning no matter where you think the mueller probe is headed or what you think of bob mueller. so let me show you some of this evidence, that comes from mueller, accusing russians of creating new twitter account in october. >> that then posted lies, they, these russians had hacked bob mueller's secret documents. sounds like a big deal and they were leaking them to the world. quote, enjoy the read. but today mueller's team is argue, that is, of course, a false claim. it was a part of a claim aimed at apparently discredited ongoing investigations into russia interference into the u.s. political system. mueller right here in this new filing, he is saying russians are trying to take what they learned from within here, within our legal system and then use it to discredit how our very legal system works.
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and in the tradition of bob mueller's speaking indictments, this new one tells the russians, basically, with see you. and mueller's team fkd out that posting i read you came from a user with a digital foot print in, yes, russia. some have argued that mueller indicting those russians abroad in the first place was tractically pointless, because they are too far away to capture. today's filing is important if for nothing else it shows how russians are engaging this legal process inside the u.s. and as rachel maddow reported, that russian company hired lawyers to try to undercut mueller's inquiry. >> nobody ever thought any of those defendants would ever even bother to you know enter a plea in conjunction with this case or otherwise engage with this case or the u.s. courts in anyway. it seems like a sort of legal oddity at first. but it soon became clear that the point of hiring american lawyers and contesting this case
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in court was to try to use the case and use those lawyers to challenge robert mueller. to challenge the special counsel's investigation to try to maybe even mess up mueller's inquiry. >> thank you, rachel, for explaining that so clearly and calling it out in advance. >> that is what is exposed in tonight's filing, which raises how high in russia mueller alleges, how high does it go? they finally thought the doj would get immediate backups. today, though, it comes as president trump openly attacks his own intel appointees on russia, plus iran, plus other foreign policy issues. he is calling them passive, naive and wrong about threats to the u.s. and says perhaps intelligence should go back to school. good one. all that because they contradicted him in this blockbuster hearing.
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>> we have won against isis. >> isis is intent on resurging and still commands thousands of fighters into iraq and syria. >> i ended the horrible week iran-nuclear deal. >> is iran currently abiding by the terms of the jcpoa in terms of their nuclear activities? >> at the moment technically they're in compliance. >> things are going well with income. >> inconorth carolina. north korea will seek to retain its wmd capabilities. >> i have president putin. he said it's not russia. i will say this, i have no idea why it would be. >> not only do the russians continue to do nit 2018. we see an indication they continue to adapt their model. >> adapt away. >> that could include what mueller is exposition, as trump continues to hide meddling and hide meetings with vladimir putin, including a new meeting where he docked a protocol,
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including a translator in buenes aires in november. they had a longer and more substantive conversation than the had acknowledged. i am joined by a former prosecutor in new york and ethics lawyer in the george w. bush administration. bar et, let me start with you. what is mueller saying with what can only be described as a fairly unusual filing? >> it is. look. so it is not unusual to have a protective order in a case this complex. so in the normal course of discovery, you are suppose food five over anything that might be helpful to the defense. in a case like this where there are national security concerns, privacy concerns, they may have a protective order the court signed this summer. here they're saying the defense attorneys violated this protective order when it comes to the nonsensetive information in the case. so they should, therefore, not be trusted with any of this sensitive material to
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disseminate to their clients. >> yeah. you are jumping right deep into it. i'm saying at a big picture level, how often do u.s. defense attorneys in a case get accused by a federal prosecutor of a disinformation campaign online? i mean, even that, just that? >> right. almost never. discovery disputes come up pretty regularly in criminal cases. something in this magnitude, nothing you see in the average case. >> broader than the legal fight, what do you think mueller is trying to say or put on notice here? >> i think he is putting a real danger to give out information that may have you know information about uncharged people in this investigation. >> that may have information about the sources about the investigation the tactics and the methods that we're using. it's a real danger not just because it could be leaked in the united states, because it is being leaked in russia. and they are using this fgs, t
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information, altering it to spread lies. >> before i go, i'm curious, your view. putting aside whether one is rooting for the u.s. or rooting for putin. does this look like a potential tactic of a potential foreign power saying we're going to mess with you, we're not turning over the underlying defendants. we will mess with you as much along the way? >> i think it highlights the difficulty the special counsel is in. they are forced by the federal rules of procedure. they are dealing with defendants that do not play by any rules. >> richard, how do you view this? you have been a long-time chronicle critic of trump. she raises this has a batman-joker aspect to it where the u.s. prosecutors, however aggressive they may be have their rules. they're pointing out they are dealing, according to allegations, russians who are breaking the rules? >> well the russians have been
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breaking the rules for a very long time and we have had to listen to attacks on robert mueller for a year-and-a-half. whether on fox news or from alan dershowitz or whoever and it's about time we realize that a lot of attacks on robert mueller aren't being orchestrated by the russians and individuals who were in collaboration with the russians and that's what's going on here. they do not want this investigation to proceed because when this investigation concludes, and there is a report, it's going to be abundantly clear what the russian versus done and who collaborated with the russians. it's very important at this juncture to make sure that robert mueller is independent and that william barr, the incoming attorney general, when he is confirmed, he recuses from the russia investigation, because jeff sessions was fired by donald trump because donald trump wanted to bring in someone who would reign in bob mueller. william barr cannot be that person if he wants to be loyal
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to his country. he must recuse from this investigation and what we're seeing just in the past couple of days is more and more evidence of russian infiltration of this administration. we have the treasury secretary working $25 million deal with a russian oligarch at the same time the treasury department was deliberateing over the russia sanctions. this is a very bad situation. it's dangerous for our national security. on top of that, we have a president refusing to listen to his national security advisers and was insulting them when it's abundantly obvious with what's going on with respect to russia. >> right. well, that's the foreign policy part that is also so severe. both of you stay with me. let me bring in a current member of congress, anthony brown, who represents maryland and also the vice chair of the armed services committee. thanks for joining me. i want to turn to the foreign policy issues. first, do you have any comment on what mueller is exposing, which seems to have some foreign
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policy implication? >> well, first of all, as has been said, it's very critical we protect this mueller investigation. here we have a situation where, you know, mueller is investigating russian meddling in our elections and now you have a situation where russia is trying to distort, if not our legal system, certainly the perception of our legal system. so we, in congress, need to make sure we are doing everything to ensure the credibility of the mueller investigation, in terms of what ultimately will be brought to courts, but also in the court of public opinion. >> right. let me get on these newly exposed putin meetings. this is where colleague versus power. your colleagues talk about subpoenaing the translators who were in some meeting. the new one, apparently no transcript at all. listen to secretary of state madeleine albright on this. >> i think it's totally unusual and really, really dangerous. so this is kind of operating in a parallel universe that makes it very difficult to know what
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happened. it is un-- it is more than unusual. i think it is something that is very damaging to the way that we do and should make policy. >> what does congress do about this, if anything? >> yeah. look, this is outrageous. i mean, there is no record now of yet another engagement between president trump and vladimir putin. you know, why is the president doing this? we don't know. his explanation that it's in the interests of the united states, to be friends with russia, is belied. russia is a foe. they're not a friend. their conduct in terms of, you know, in syria when the president decided photo, or announced he will withdraw troops, vladimir putin cheers that decision. again, russian interference with our elections. the president taking the side of vladimir putin over our intelligence professionals. why he's doing this? i don't know. but the innocent explanation that he offers, that russia and
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the united states ought to work together, russia is undermining that every day. >> and barrett, while i have you here, a former u.s. attorney chris christie made a lot of news around turned a lot of heads, the biggest threat isn't mueller, it's the officer where you used to work the southern district of new york. does that sound right to you? >> i think one thing that tracks with that comment is the historical independence of that office. the southern district of new york is well known within the justice department for being completely independent, for being very apolitical. so they have brought you know cases against democrats and republicans alike. there is no political motivation behind their cases. in addition to being really smart, strong, aggressive prosecutors, they're incredibly independent. they're not likely to be swayed or deter fareed bringing charges the. >> do you think it's odd? when chris christie says that, it makes it almost think they have a case against donald trump or his family? otherwise, why would they pose
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that danger? >> it's certainly an odd comment. i think we can probably break that down in a lot of ways. >> is he channeling his inner rudy? would you say that about a friend of yours? >> no close friend. nobody knows whether the southern district or any office for that matter is actually thinking of charging or has charges they can bring against the president. what we do know if there are charges that the southern district could bring, they will not hesitate to bring them because of any sort of political concerns. >> that is an important point coming from someone who has the experience. thanks to each of you. >> much appreciated. coming up, new reporting on this factory that donald trump said would bring back jobs, but too good to be true. >> we can say the eighth wonder of the world. this is the eighth wonder of the world. >> everyone is talking aoc and starbucks. i've got a live interview with a seattle investor who has gone
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toe-to-toe with howard schultz and says he's wrong. first, revealing why bob mueller is looking at a firm that war game russian style election meddling. it's a doozee. why some say they admire aoc. politics and the manhattan madam and roger stone. what she says the feds are looking for. a new report on that. i'm ari melbourne. you are watching "the beat" on msnbc.
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our other top story tonight is a political and policy juggernaut shaking the democratic party. the aoc effect. congresswom congresswoman and dra ocassia. now has potential candidates criticizing her economic agenda. the first thing to know it's broader than partisan politics. she has been arguing for economic reform that goes beyond what passes for a lot of debate in d.c. >> social movements are the moral compass and should be the moral compass of our politics. i do think a system that allows billionaires to exist when there are parts of alabama where people are still getting ringworm because they don't have access to public health is wrong. the wage gap is an injustice
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that persists through secrecy. it is time that we pay people what they are worth and not how little they are desperate enough to accept. he's not in the russell building. he's not on the floor of the senate and 800,000 people don't have their paychecks. everyone deserves justice and everyone deserves equal protection and prosperity. >> predictable fixation only on aoc style my underestimate her policy appeal. elsz west warren and kamela harris are running on similar platforms, starbucks howard schultz is not a democrat. he is testing an independent presidential run against democrats. >> no, i'm not a democrat. i don't affiliate myself with the democratic party who is so far left who basically wants the government to take over health care, which we cannot afford. the government to give free college to everybody and the government to give everyone a job, which basically is $40
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trillion on the balance sheet of $21.5 trillion. we can't afford it. >> you will hear from a very rich person in a moment. a very rich person in ideas. >> thank you. >> liz plank, considered a friend of "the beat." thanks for being here. >> thanks, for have something e. >> we have a rich person on desk. when it comes to aoc versus howard zhults as howard schultz, what do you think about she advanced? >> howard schutt is like ja rule organizing another music festival. no one needs this right now. it's only going to benefit donald trump, because, obviously, when we have a third party candidate, it often disadvantages democrats. >> let me say that's a sick burn the fry festival was a failure. although, howard schultz i would trust to run a gathering than a country. >> he should run the nextfi fyr
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festival. there we go, we found your calling. for him and aoc they haven't talked to each other if real life. but the standoff that they have is aoc is exposing the myth of the fiscal conservative but the socially liberal person. right? so you know howard schultz says he is pro, taking a stance against ace rich, refugees, pro women, pro reproductive rights, but he has fiscally conservative policies and what aoc has been able to do is message you those two things are completely contradictory. if you believe black people, people of color in this country should have equal rights, you have to be supporting them having equal access to health care, jobs, opportunities. people with disabilities, you can't say we want to take off their entitlements. you have to support their benefits. >> it's so interesting after her talk in the arc of moral politics, radio it?
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because martin luther king is remembered for civil rights. yet the organizes he was doing was all about black power and black economic capital and uniting with labor and organizing union walkouts in the mid-west. all of that. i want to show four some of the praise aoc is getting today. listen to this magna fans saying she is effective. a prominent political adviser says she has something you can't coach. you either have it or you don't. shes a a big league. get this, grip, gameness, fighting spirit. compliments from none other than steve bannon for aoc today. we started hearing. >> no. >> okay. wow, that wasn't just in my head. yes, one of the this i think so that oac is so good at is she's really good at messaging the democrat ig party's position on many issues. of course, she's more to the left than we would expect. cease really good at messaging ideas that are actually problem lar. right.
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so when you think of taxation and the proposal she's making, first of all, when it comes to taxing very highly rich people. 78%. 78% of americans actually support her in that policy even though there is a lot of fear mongering on the right and billionaires like howard schultz going on televising vision saying this is very bad. it's a long standing, since fine 70s, if you look back the majority of americans want to tax the rich more than. aoc is able to communicate that message and make that exciting for people who normally haven't been on board. >> as you say in a way that appears to be impacting some of these billionaires. as promised. i want to raise the net worth-of-this segment. do you like this? fooch? >> no, never. >> so before i bring in this next guest, take a listen to howard schultz about the criticism he gets for being a billionaire. >> let's talk about that i'm self-made.
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i grew up in the projection in brooklyn, new york. i thought that was the american dream. >> i am joined by an entrepreneur capitalist, he is the host of a podcast pitch fork economics and as mentioned, you are a very rich guy. you have been open about that? >> yes. exactly. >> you say there is something wrong with what howard schultz is doing? what is it? >> absolutely. i love the conversation you have been having. i just want to make one point is that, you know, it's easy to call what aoc is doing as far lefty, but nothing could be further from the truth. when you had advocate for economic policies that benefit the broad majority of citizens, that's true. centerrism. what howard schultz represents the centerism he represents is trickle down economics, tax cuts for rich people. deregulation for powerful people, wage suppression for everyone else without the overt racism. he is not center ririscentrist.
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oac is a centrist. her advantage is she is young enough not to be captured by the liberal lies that have framed so much of the republicans in the republican and democratic party. >> that is so important. >> that comes up when there is debates within the democratic party and there is a kind of a tailwind underneath whatever might be an open debate. people have different views on this. the tailwind is the incredible power of the donor class as you know. >> yes. >> take a listen to your point. to aoc talking about working, howard schultz does employ a lot of people in retail. she talks about doing that kind of service job. take a look. >> right. >> little things like trying to afford health insurance when are you a waitress and that kind of economic stress and living through it and enduring past it really showed me in a visceral
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way what it's like to be an american in a way i don't think most public officials understand. >> do you agree with that, nick, and then liz? >> yeah. 100%. here's the important point that i think is under -- under appreciated is it's not just the economic reality that's the problem. it's the narrative that has captured the brains of so many people on the democratic party that, for instance, to raise the minimum wage from $2.13 plus tips, tore tipped workers to $15 an hour will be, will destroy the economy. >> that is just a straight-up lie. there is nothing further from the truth. and the most pernicious thing about trickle down economics is not to believe if the rich get richer, it's good for the economy. it is the belief if poor people get richer, that will be bad for the economy. finally we have political leaders, like aoc willing to confront those lies and people like harold schultz.
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>> liz. >> if i can agree, i think everything she is saying is not radical at all. if you go to many countries, i am a survivor of medicare for all, as a canadian. and i can tell you it's pretty great. >> is that why you are so nice? you are canadian? >> yeah. it's the free health care. >> the last question that you crossed paths with him in these seattle circles, nick, do you think he will run or ultimately drop out if he comes in contact with more of this debate? >> i don't know. i found it astounding he was going to run as an independent. the smartest people in the country have looked at that and there is zero chance you can win as an independent. so all you are is a spoiler. i'm hoping that he comes to his senses and drops out. certainly the reception has not been great. >> well, he has a lot of experience and a special company and nobody denies that. and that's a fendi big deal. did you hear it.
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in nick you didn't even hear it? >> vendi? >> venti? >> no. running a bunch of coffee shops does not qualify you to be president of the united states. >> and i just want to put on record the no applies both to the terrible pun but also to the theory that that makes you a presidential material. nick with the double no liz plank and nick on howard schultz turning a lot of heads. >> that unthanks to you both. we have a lot more in the show. bob mueller digging into war games for hacking elections, why were trump's pitch on a similar plan? now a huge and embarrassing hole in one of his job plans when we are back in just 30 seconds? pla are back in just 30 seconds? well, you should definitely see how geico could help you save on homeowners insurance. nice tip. i'll give you two bucks for the chair. two?! that's a victorian antique! all right, how much for the recliner, then? wait wait... how did that get out here? that is definitely not for sale! is this a yard sale? if it's in the yard then it's... for sale.
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oh, here we go. geico. it's easy to switch and save on homeowners and renters insurance. another important story tonight. donald trump's claims about a project that he called the quote eighth wonder of the world evaporating been our eyes. this is important, reuters is reporting that fox facility in wisconsin will deliver far less than trump k4r5i78d. there will be 4,000 fewer jobs he talked about. most will be high-tech. not the blue collar jobs that trump promised that he was deliver through a special deal. this was such a big project, a key symbol for his manufacturing pitch, he announced it at the white house and went to wisconsin for a ground breaking. >> this is a great day for american workers and manufacturing. if i didn't get elected, he definitely would not be spending
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$10 billion. the plant that will provide jobs for much more than 13,000 wisconsin workers. adding an average of $3.4 billion to the state's economy. we can say the eighth wonder of the world. this is the eighth wonder of the world. >> fox com says it's not building tvs. it's not building a factory. it's not bringing manufacturing jobs back despite the promises. take a look. >> they're making robotics, including full televising vision sechlts foxconn intends to build 100% of a factory with beautiful american concrete. we are also reclaiming our country's proud manufacturing legacy. >> wisconsin leaders say the new reports have them worried they will be holding the pag for many of trump's empty promises. he also gave a shoutout to mega-millionaires in his administration. let's get right to it. wisconsin senator, skeptical of
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this deem. thanks, for joining. i hope you are keeping warm and indoors there. we have been reporting how cold it is across the mid-west. bottom line, this was a big thing trump promised. what are you seeing the reality is on the ground? >> well, it's a big thing the president promised along with governor walker. yes, it's disappointing, none of us are surprised if you take a look at foxconn's history in philadelphia, china, brazil, whatever the case may be. they come in with the leaders and say great big things about this great big company. the next thing you know, 13,000 jobs is down to a handful and it will be researched and technology and development and not manufacturing like we were promised. >> are you saying they were in on this as a trumpian style con from the start, that they knew this? i want to give them the benefit of their view. they say that things have changed. the market environment that existed when the product was
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first announced changed. >> that has necessitated the adjustment of the plans. >> things have changed. things always changed in this industry. they didn't stop saying we'll spend $10 billion in wisconsin if you give us $4 billion in tax incentives. we'll have 13,000 jobs, manufacturing is coming back to the state of wisconsin. a lot of us skeptical of this looked at their track record, first of all, secondly, things constantly clang in this industry. it's constantly changing. you think a company like foxconn would know that. >> let me play some of donald trump bragging about this and touting this. it's important as americans assess what's real or not. here he was during the tour when they first announced they first announced this is something what they've done. you go back 18 months, there was nothing there. it was a field. they will make all of this equipment the best in the world.
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>> has it turned out to be the largest manufacture? >> no not even close. but that's what the president does. he uses words like largest, biggest, best, all of that stuff. some people lost their land over this. people lost their houses over this because they had to be basically bought out because of the manufacturing that was supposed to happen there. it was going to be a very, very large facility like the president talked about, but it never really happened or at least hasn't happened yet. as a result, the state got about $120 million for road projects in that part of the state that could have gone to other parts of the state. local units of government are out money they spent on investment infrastructures down there as well. >> sometimes the rollouts of these things get the most attention. we love the follow up. you have been all over it. thank you for coming on "the beat." >> thank you, a new report on roger stone, what mueller was looking in the house raid? it involves evidence of collusion.
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get ready for this one, because our next story involves the kind of coincidence that bob mueller is interested in. even if it turns out to be a coincidence. new reports that a mueller witness once outlined how russians could launch a web attack against a u.s. election. a cyber extra outlined this scenario in 2015 according to daily beast. some of the parallels are striking. but many people in cyber and law enforcement were imagining cyber attacks. here's one you might recognize. the fbi director in 2013 imagining a cyber attack that could with be worse than conventional terrorism. >> cyber criminals have become adept at increasing weaknesses in our networks. i think the cyber threat may
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eclipse the terrorist threat in years to come. >> while he was not talking it up. he also met with donald trump, jr. and top trump aide rick gates who would later be indicted, pitching a cyber effort that created thousands of media accounts in order to support trump and disparage his opponents. >> that may start to look like a coincidence. let's be clear. gates and trump junior rejected those services according to "new york times". the mueller probe questioned this guy i'm telling you about and ultimately indicting russians for similar incidents even if they were unrelated. >> the indictment charges 13 russian nationals seeking to interfere in the united states political system, including the 2016 presidential election. >> the operation pitched the campaign is back in the news. it's on mueller's radar. it's in a new report. one of the creators of the
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pitch, peter marino, says at the time the cyber pitch felt like an intellectual exercise now it feels a bit too much on the nose to be disturbing. we are going to the source. peter marino joins me right now. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having many e. >> what was the the pitch and was it more of a what if you had a cyber attack like this or how do you pull off a cyber attack like in. >> ylike this? >> so the firm, a number of analysts, was posed both of those questions. what would the consequences be, how would it be pulled off? and that the speculations ranged from the possibility that it might do very little to the possibility that it could actually be rather substantial and rather deleterious to the institutional integrity of democracies. >> very clear answer. so what's the point of sharing any of that with an active candidate or campaign? >> well the point could be in
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order to encourage them or at least suggest the possibility that such techniques might be put to effective use on behalf hoff that candida owe of that candidate. >> is this the thing everyone sits around is unaware until it blew up? >> i'd say that a relatively nair assertion. the possibilities that were imagined by this report were really not front and center in the american political discourse. >> right. we sort of have an intellectual bias, oh, this happened, now we are thinking about it. it's fascinating to talk to people like you in it. you can go back nine years. i will play now bob mueller also talking the way you guys talk. you study this stuff. you were thinking about it. he was concerned about these type of attacks. take a look at mueller. >> the counterintelligence threat to the united states continues to persist as we saw with a recent arrest of a network of russian spies, foreign adversaries, however, do not rely exclusively on such considerable agent networks.
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they increasingly employ non-traditional collectors, such as students, visiting scientists, businessmen, as well as cyber-based tools to target and penetrate the united states institutions. >> i'd say he was on to something. >> yes. >> i think you and your colleagues were on to something? >> yes. >> the big question when it comes to the potential guilt here is, when you look at the presentation of this to those trump aides. >> mm-hmm. >> does that make them look worse because they knew about it or better because they rejected it or is it irrelevant? >> i'd say with respect to them, it is more or less irrelevant. the fact is that people in their position up until 2015 were not as intimately involved in the kind of discourse that director mueller then director mueller was discussing. >> you are nicely saying it might have gone over their heads? >> yes, i am being rather euphemistic about it. are they friend of yours or are
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you a nice person? >> i tend to not speculate about people's intellectual capacity until speaking to them first. >> what if you study them? if you watch them on tv and say did they get it or not? >> insofar as i would say it went over their heads. >> fair. can these swing an election or not? is this background noise? >> they can swing an election. the more significant thing we were talking about in the report was actually the long-term potential damage to the integrity of democracy. >> which we are seeing in the mueller filing tonight. peter marino, thank you for being here. fascinating stuff. >> thank you for having me. up ahead, you will not believe what roger stone's own housemate is saying the feds were looking for. it involves collusion. ly show that you next. for it involves collusion. ly show that you next. ea: a way to create energy from household trash. ea: it not only saves about 80% in carbon emissions...
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you got to see this. a key friend and former housemate of roger stone just explained what the white house was looking for in their new raid. >> the fbi also raided, not just his home down in florida but an apartment in harlem. they thought you were there. right? >> right. i shared a duplex with roger the last couple of years. i since have moved a couple years ago. there's nothing there. >> what do you think they are looking for? >> according to search warrant, information regarding wikileaks, gus gucifer, any collusion.
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>> that sort of thing. >> that is a roger stone associate saying on our air today the search warrant the raid was for evidence of collusion. pretty interesting. we are not done. up ahead, we have a special fallback takeover. the one and only chuck d. and b-boys straight ahead.
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welcome back. we vhave special edition.
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public enemy, five grammy nominations stwh protest song "fight the power." which can everyone remembers from spike lee's "do the right thing." inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame. and two pioneering break dancers who helped establish that genre. they work would the b-boy committee and they are founding the universal hip-hop museum, coming to the bronx. thank you for doing this. >> a wonderful, dignified gentleman and hip-hop could be grown in the room and that's what we're trying to signify and really make a statement atlausz world. universal hip-hop museum in 2023. and why not? something has to grow up in hip-hop and these gentleman are part of who's leading the narrative. >> when you look around, who
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needs fall back? >> hate. hate needs to fall back. and so that love can conquer the hate so we can grow. >> who needs fall back? >> i'm getting a little more political. i was going back to the gofundme with the people trying to build a wall. i think they raised 20 million and realized they couldn't do it. no more gofundme for the crazy stuff. stop it. >> some people are scared. what moves them to think i should give my own money for this wall that the president talked about for years and never built when he controlled congress. >> this whole ske nair wroe is based on -- and i don't think it's ignorance. it's fear. they stoke fear and that makes them react oh, my god they came to take my stuff. this caravan, other van. and all the sudden it's not
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there. it's artificial. >> fear of a black and brown planet? >> the ignorance is running rampant, especially in the united states of america. information, education always broadens the scope, makes you understand and that makes less fear. we would like to see funding go into culture as opposed to going into barricades like a wall and to build on like hate. hate comes from the ignorance of just not knowing each other. the music has brought people together. governments split people up. it's about humans and people and sports brings people together, music and culture brings people together and governments like the it vide. so they need fall back. >> why do you think the people in power, people in government have money, they have the conof force or violence and yet they are afraid of people in sports taking a knee or peepople in
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culture saying something. >> women don't go around starting planetary wars. if a culture is a beautiful way to start. they always got the girls to come to the party and once the party had the girls, the party was all cool. >> so let's talk about dancing tips real quick. what is your tip for people not as good a dancer as you gentleman are? when you're at the wedding or the bar mitzvah, what's the little thing you can do conservative if you're not as good as you? >> the two step head nod. and keep smiling and i'm smiling. and i'm smiling. and i'm smiling. >> so if you're toing that, you don't have to worry -- because i get in trouble with my legs. you don't have to worry about your legs? >> tap your feet. >> i raise my hand.
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i dance pretty good but if your rar nontanser, stay lohse to the dancers. >> stay near them. >> especially when the hustle came out, be close to them because they got a serbcircle ad them that's unique. >> you want to be around that. sglr >> and what is it about the culture that encourages the motif of the friendly battle? you see that in battle rapping, dancing. some people say are you mad at each other? explain that. >> you don't have to fight. come to have a good time and you don't have to boast. get in the serbal acircle and l what you got. i had the biggest circle and you got in that circle. you better be ready and if you not -- >> i can imagine if this was --
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if now was back then, can you imagine how many phones would edge up into that circle? >> that need am at me -- i mean come at me. so, yes, it was -- instead of fighting, let's dance. >> in a word or a sentence for our viewers, what is hip-hop? >> hip-hop is the umbrella of language and creativity, of the last 50 years going into maybe another 25 to sgifrt years. it's the terminology. we've always been creative people but it's the definition of now and that umbrella is to be maintained and that's what we plan to do. >> thank you very much for being here. >> that know you. >> we enjoyed that conversation. my special thanks to them and we can all learn a little something from the idea less hate and let's dance.
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that is wa"the beat." i'm see you back here tomorrow. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. i don't need no intelligence. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. early today president trump beha behaved weerbdly, eveern by his standard. he rip under to his own intelligence community after challenged him. he told hissed a min straz's intelligence officials they are naive and should go back to school and wrerd the top national security official including cia director and director of national intelligence dan coates released

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