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the president is going to declare a national emergency but it doesn't look like an emergency. beto o'rourke will be with me in a few minutes as we bring you a special edition covering all we keep talking about this border like it's one thing. like it's one place. like it's a national crisis. >> this is a tremendous crisis at the border. >> reporter: but it's 2,000 miles, pacific ocean to the gulf mx co. desert, mountains, tarmland, cities. concrete, scrub grass and a whole lot of sand and one long river. how exactly are you going to build a wall on this? to comp remend the border, you got to see it and its overwhelming vastness, the people on both sides.
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the reality. >> what's your message to the president about this section? >> we have kids who cross the border every day to go to school. >> in one hour we'll talk you all 1,933 miles from michigan texas to sand yag o, california. this is "all in america live from the border." i'm standing at the site of what the president plans to declare a national emergency. if the house passes a bill to avoid a second shut dng, he will sign it, and declare a national emergency, then head to mar-a-lago oafter declaring a a national emergency. the president has turned into a national symbol of trumpism. jacob in el paso, at the border
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crossing. in antelope wells, new hampshire and gaddy schwartz in san diego, california. the border is a vast expanse of desert and mountains and farmland that's near lathe size of the eastern seaboard. a geographically and diverse area the president is saying the totalality of which is an emergence. there are challenges across the region to boo sure and there is no invasion and it is very hard to look at the actual data and conclude there's an unprecedented disaster. crossings have decreased dramatically. right afrom the border with juarez, we have correspondents where president trump is planning to declare a national
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emergency. they have driven across the border to see what is really happening here. we begin with cal perry in san beneato o. cal. >> reporter: chris, the debate over the border and a wall may seem like politics unwashington d.c. but in texas it's a way of luf. the border between texas and mexico stretches from bustling cities to tiny towns, over mountains and along the rio grand. from the heart of the country all the way to the gulf. we drove the entire length of the border, starting in the sit a of el paso. 40 minutes outside of town as the terrain turns to desert, the border wall ends, just past the temporary detention city set up to house thousands of migrant children. and the gap until you reach a ranch in fort hancock.
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what's your message to the president about this section right here? >> come down and finish the wall. >> reporter: where less than 100 people live, migrants improvise ways to cross the border. 20-year-old hernandez began the journey unguatemala. >> the border between mexico and the u.s. follows the rio grand southeast. here the landscape talks over. you come to big ben state park, the most rural part of the state and you understand immediately why the ports of entree are used so often. the natural barrier makes it virtually impossible to cross, which is why a wall would be completely impractical. the border winds along the river through beautiful, unpopulated
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wilderness. a return of civilization and so the return of the wall. you can see the wall picking back up here for the obvious reason. it's possible for people to cross here. beyond eagle pass, the wall become as small fence and the elements can be hostile. there are no paved roads close to the border in this part of texas so if you decide to cross, you're definitely talking your life unyour hands. no cell lines, which is why people leave giant blue buckets out. they're fulled with water. new sections are of the wall could threaten the national butterfly center. >> this is a remnant of native habitat, set aside for conservation and it's all going to be destroyed. >> what will happen to the national butterfly center if a wall goes in? >> well, it will look like a prison yard for one, which is
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never good for echo tourism and lose our property that will be south of the border wall. >> reporter: border patrol are out in force picking up large groups of people, the vast majority of which are families. agents can see what's happening on the mexican side of the border. >> they want tuse leave so they can cross more bodies. >> so they're motioning for you to go away? >> yes. they're not scared of anything right now. they want me to leave so they don't have to worry about their guide getting caught. >> reporter: the final stretch of wall is in browns vill, texas and some 13 miles through marshland until reaching the gulf of mexico. chris, the giant skzs of wall, that was own laapropriated in 2006. those pieces went in in 2009.
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the gap will be filled in. so the section of wall took ten years to complete. >> i guess the first question is having gone along the entire edge of this border in texas, what do you think of it being an emergency? >> reporter: there's no state of emergency -- for example the central processing center. 1500 people are packed in there. it is attica pasty. so it's a facility jacob visited. there are still children in cages in the facility. they're meant to hold 15 people. there are 30 people jammed in shoulder to shoulder. we saw young girls crying and shaking and praying. we asked an official from customs and border protection inside the facility what they
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needed. one of the first things he said were judges. just an indication it's not just the wall here. >> thanks for being with me. i want to turn to msnbc correspondent 400 mules southeast of me. she's across the border from the texas town of eagle pass. thanks for being with me. >> reporter: good evening, chris. the trump administration has made it more diffdprlt migrants to be able to apply for asylum at the u.s. border. instead the administration reached an agreement with mexico to keep the asylum seekers south of the border. a policy known as metering. so we travelled to the sister cities so close you could see them on the other side and the president's policy and its effect on everyone we spoke to was loud and clear. ♪
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eagle pass, texas, a quiet, unassuming place, population 30,000, but the voices of residents are being drowned out by more than 2100 law enforcement agents. >> a lot of people wont say nothing because they're scared of what will be done to them. >> reporter: the reason for the extra security lieus just across the rio grand river in the mexican city. now force under to an immigrant showdown with its texas 21. all the law enforcement presence, what is the message it's sending? >> ultimately that you're not going to be able to cross uloogally. in any way shape orfashion. >> reporter: is necessary to have this display? >> at this level, no. >> reporter: this is what we found. you have the mexican fed rallies and the mexican army, the red cross, the local migration institute all surrounding the shelter behind me.
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some 1800 migrants, mostly from honduras who arrived via caravan just over a week ago now being kept by mexican authorities in what used to be a factory. how would you describe this place? she says it's like being in jail. year told only a couple of aid groups are allowed inside. and so far field migrants are allowed out. that desperation hit a brocking point on wednesday. >> reporter: mexican authorities are getting ready to move almost 200 migrants from the shelter. they're getting on the buses and being taken to other states in mx co. the only reason they're allowed to do that is because they've secured humanitarian visas.
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if they don't have humanitarian visas, migrant are not allowed to leave. they'refer sent in small groups to file for asylum. leaving thousands of migrants waiting indefinitely. what kind of an impact has this had on your child? mexican officials say they're doing everything they can. >> end soon and legally in peace and in good relationships. >> reporter: for her and so many others here, this is home for now but she prayers not for long. she just has faith ungod that they'll able to get to the u.s. >> it's my understand --
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>> reporter: go ahead. >> i just wanted to ask. the shelter scene you showed, basically it seems whether it's a deal that's been struck for the mexican government to essentially warehouse people. those folks are essentially in a stateless limbo, is that right? >> reporter:many of the families told me they feel like they're in prison, crus rr. and that is what is new. metering is not new but this is from mexico. keeping these families, these mothers behind this fence here. i mean look at where i'm standing now. this is new and it is a direct response to what is happening on the other side thoorks fact that cdp can only take 12 to 20 people today and we're talking almost 2,000 whose main purpose was to turn themselves in to seek asylum.
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they're caught onborder battle between these two sit as and just being on the ground for 48 hours, this i think is the epicenter of this border debate right now, this city in mexico. >> thank you so much for bringing that from the mexican side of the border. for many crossing back and forth is just part of an ordinary day. >> reporter: that's right. spot on. and i think what gets lost so often about it both sides of the border is the interconnectiveness of both sides. the president was ponting of a very dangerous city protected by a border wall put up some time ago, elpaso. but the reality is the people that live unel paso are the people that live in juarez. they commute back and forth to
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go to work, go to school and the way the president talks about this is completely foreign to them. all these people behind me are walking back unmexico after spending a day inside of elpasoe. el paso has felt the disproportionate impact of the aggressive deterrent policies. is the first place he put the to place zeer otolerance. they didn't die in el paso. they died in the el paso sector. for the people that live and work on both sides and traverse it every single day, it's a complete laforeign idea, one not based on the realities on the ground. this is what it looks like, walking back and forth. >> we're going to talk a little later about all the reporting you've been doing over the last several years on this. and 28th congressional district. you're on that conference commit
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a that struck the deal that apoors luke it's going to be suned. what is your reaction to the announced intent to declare a nationalmergency? >> i disagree with the president because his visions of the border, all he sees is a crisis and who's dead wrong. for us we see the border as a place to raise our families, grow businesses. it's a place of community and opportunity. if you want to look at violence, for example. according to the fbi, the crime rate, the national crime rate for example, murders, is 5.3 murders for 100,000. the border crime rate is a lot lower and i'll take my home town of laredo. you compare to washington d.c., it's more dangerous in washington two or three or four times more dangerous here. the crisis is not at the border. stums i think it's dealing with our president, all due respect to hum.
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>> what do you imagine are the next steps if the president does invoke this legal authority many think is a dubious constitutionality? >> it's certainly dubious. i think the supreme court has we've already talked about whether the president can declare a emergency. they'll say if there's an emergency, maybe he should have called it months agobut he coops waiting and tries to use it as a leverage. he didn't get the money on the wall he wanted. he didn't even get that close so now he wants to use that because he's obsessed at this 13th century called a wall. >> what do you think the -- i want to read concern from susan collins, republican in the senate who says this. declaring a national emergency
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would be a mistake on the part of a president. i don't believe the act constitutes the president relocating billions for specific purposes outicide of the normal appropriations process. what should you as the president do this? >> the senator is right. i'm in full agreement with heir. we have hearings, we have testimony and then we decide in a very bipartisan way to put the appropriation bill. so we decide what goes into akountsz. and the president wants to come in by himself and change everything that congress did? that just doesn't make sense. again he's obsessed with this 14th century solution called a wall. >> is the reason that money wasn't there or the $5.7 million, the compromise hammered out between you and others, republican and democrat, it's just not necessary.
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is that your position? >> we want to have sensible border security where we balance the trade and truism with border security. i liver on the border. i know what the border is. i don't go in for a few min say i know the border better. if you want to stop drugs, most drugs come through ports of entree. soyou build a wall, it doesn't stop the drugs coming through our ports. you got to be smart. folking on the ports of entree, cay nine personnel. in 2001 border putroel apprehended 1.6 million individuals. last year? 303,000 individuals. and if you want to look at most of the people here, 67% are here illegally came through a legal veegsau or permutt. soyou put a wall, they're going to fly. and all due respect to our
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neighbors, most over stays are canadians. so maybe we're looking at the wrong border. >> district along that border, thank you for talking a little time tonight. this week began with the president coming here, to el paso to whip up support for his border wall but led by rising democratic star beto o'rourke across the street. o obviously the big news is the president is going to sign the appropriation and declare some unspecified national emergency. >> it's hard to make a rational case for an emergency dkleration or troops on the border or any amount of additional border walls fencing and slats, even if it's only 1 and a quarter.
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it's never been as safe and secure as it is now and asman a people know, el paso's been one of the safest in the u.s. for the last 20 yeefrs. in fact a little less safe after we had a wall. mccallen is safe, the border sit as are safer than the average city on the interior. there's no rational reason to do this. >> reporter: i've been interviewing you for years and you would always say el paso is one of the safest cities in america and the president turned that against el paso. for a while it was scary and no, it is safe and it's because of the wall which there is part of back there and you think that's not true. >> no. i know that's not true. you see 20 years go and el paso is the second or third safest in the united states barb none.
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we build a wall in 2008 after the 2006 secure fence act voted for by republicans and democrats alike and el paso's crime rate actually increase after that. i don't know if it's correlated but what i can tell you is didn't have to do with the wall. >> reporter: like this stretch they could come across. but it's not like the city of el paso is under an invasion? >> it was not. and a really important thing to remember is we've always had some level of migration from mexico and central america, most of it from people wanting to work jobs in this country that no one with else would do legally. and esengs that he will same number of people keep coming to work only now they're undocumented. today the lowest numbers of
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apprehension in my lifetime. i'm 46 and those coming are turning themselves in and they're coming to flee the most violent countries on the planet today, most off within little kids or little kids without their parents. we have asylum laws we must follow, international obligations to which we must ad here and a sns of moral purpose we should live up to. the wall's not for going to solve any of that. >> you were at a rally when the president came to town. what's the message there? for people looking at this in detroit or new jersey or oregon. what is the message? >> it was so powerful and so profoundly positive. nothing negative about it. it was a celebration of what mocks elpasoso special. the fact we're one of the safest cities unamerica because weir rar city of umgrants. 1/4 were born in another
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country. you make the state of texas, by extension the country a safer place by treating people with dignity and are spect, not militarizing communities, not adding near 20 billion a year we're spending on border security. i think el paso helpedset the example monday night. >> dan crenshaw's been very out spoken in favor of the border particularly. and he tweeted this. i'm passing it along. he didn't txt me. if you could, would you take the wall down now? knock it down?
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>> yes. >> if there's a referendum in the city, that would pass? >> i do. he's what we know after the secure fence act we have built 600 miles of wall and fencing on a 2,000 mile border. it's cost us 10s of billions to build and maintain and pushed asylum seekers and refugees to the most hostile stretches of the u.s. mexico border, insuring their suffering and death. more than 4,000 human beings, women, children, dead, not in cages, as we have walled off their opportunity legally petition for asylum, to cross in urban centers like el paso, to be with family, to work jobs, to do what any human being should have a right to do, what we would do face would the same circumstances. >> what i'm haring is more ambitious than just we shouldn't build a wall. it sounds luke you're saying the
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kinds of ways, starting post 9/11, cvp, work force has gone up, spending has gone up. you say you don't think any of that has been good for the country? >> it's perverse. the response to legitimate concerns and problems. international terrorism orchestrated by al qaeda, carried out by people from saudi arabia, we punish people from mexico, deport 400,000 mexican nationals from a response to 9/11. wall off 600 miles of the u.s./mx co border precisely zero terrirists or terririst organizations have used the border to attack a sidge american. so we do this whether it's the war on terrier, the war on drugs. we project our fears and anxieties el paso and punish the people who love here.
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there's no reason to do that. but it is the fear and the ang zity that is stoked by people who frankly should know better. >> father of three. hope you have valentine's day plans >> i do. we're going to see willy nelson. >> the site of what the president call as national emergency. and we go west where dash and further ws to arizona reports on the loves lost in the desert. all the way to california where gadi schwartz goes to the wall and all that is "all in america" live at the border rols on. ♪
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check in from afar with remote access, and have professional monitoring backing you up with xfinity home. demo in an xfinity store. call, or go online today. we are live at the border in el paso texas. the state line is just a few miles to the ws of here. on the other side is new mexico. 100 miles of wall and fencing. until fairly recently a place where few people tried to cross. and germane lee has in antelope wells, new mexico.
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>> reporter: it's really hard to over state how remote and isolated this region of the state really is. which mags for an incredibly dangerous and arduous journey crossing from the southern border. in a town called sunland park where the mayor is more interested in building partnerships than walls. the southern border of new mexico stretches across roughly 200 miles of rugged terrain and barren desert, making it hard to know where the u.s. ends and mexico begins. >> sunland park is that point where state of texas and mexico meet. it's one region -- one culture here because i have family that lived here in sun lntd park on the weekend and during the week they go back to visit their mom, aunts in mx mx. >> reporter: people not only cross on the weekends but every week day some 800 children
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carrying their pass ports. they're u.s. citizens,many of their parents are not. >> once they are here, we're level playing field as everyone else because we have the same expeck taugzs. >> reporter: may seem complicated because there is a actual barrier but here toage kate kids. >> we want our kids to have those opportunities. we want them to be successful people who can contribute back to the tax base and love in the count raand be productive. >> reporter: for people just tuned in, it feels like a big crisis orchaos but what we find here is a community fill would love. >> anything negative, woo do our best to keep it outside and we come in and we embrace the kids and create our own culture. >> reporter: the border take ash
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sharp drop to the south. thaw say the migrants crossing are bad neighbors >> you don't knoif you're gotag get hit in the head. >> reporter: how do you protect yourself? >> we have to care a guns. i mean that's just -- it's plain and simple. >> reporter: what does that feel like to have to think about it? >> i don't want to put anyone in harm's way. but if push comes to shove and my family's first. we have six deputies and a sheriff out here and they patrol 3500 square miles. >> reporter: of three points of entree, the antelope station is where there's been an tick of migrant. we're in clover dale, about as far west as you can go in new mexico. unthat direction is arizona. to a few miles to the south over
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here. and clover dale is the last out post in the state. so isolated there's one building left standing. >> tremain, you dade great job showing how remote it is there. more migrants are crossing there despite how unforgiven the terrain is. >> reporter: the government basically controls how men a migrants can apply for asylum. so instead of going to the busier ports of entree, they come to dangerous stretches of this vast wide open landscape here at antelopeuals where temperatures dip to single digits at night.
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it's long, dangerous. but also crossing through ranch land and as you heard the young lady mention they're scared. foks are arming themselves. they feel they have a better chance this way than one of the busy ports. >> in antelope wells, new mexico. jouning me from new mexico's capitol city, the first democratic latino ogovernor in the country. she pulled most of her states from the border. we start with that decision. why did they pull it? >> you've said in the segment, right after i was elected i went right to sunland park and was reviewing and asking questions of the national guard and border patrol agents and there's no emergence. and frankly they could not justify the presence of the national guard in terms oof a national security issue.
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and so we have so many things that we need to boo edoing and the federal government is not meeting its responsibility on immigration issues and any stretch of the imagination. i actually gave the national guard and border patrol several weeks to answer questions about the kind of activities, what they were doing, what kund of emergencies they were seeing, what kind of national security issues were present and they were not able to defend anything of that nature and as a result i made a decision to pull those troops from the border. >> the president is announced an intention to declare some kind of nationalmergence. the details are yet to be determined or announced what would you do were the government to use that emergency powers to do things in new mexico? >> i'm certainly going to join, i hope the chorus of so many elected leaders and law
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enforcement folks that this is a terrible and unfortunate tactic that president is taking. it's an additional effort at more campaign-like stunts. his own department of justice is booing reported by national news outlets don't think it's going to pass any legal muster because there is no emergency and it really sets the worst kind of precedence for separation of powers. efects governors, congress. and we will join whatever legal action and efforts to make sure that we keep the executive branch in check. this is nothing more than a power grab and it's stoking fear and frankly it makes us less safe and is using resources that are intended for other purposes in this country. >> you just won an election just a few months ago and i'm curious. you've got a state that is a
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border state. you look at the national plutical discourse. how ranking in the number one to number three or four issues in that campaign you just ran in your state on the border, where were these issues? the president talks about the state of emergency, was that at the senlter of the campaign you just ran? >> no. in fact in my general i was running against another former member of congress. we were both in congress in the general election. we were both against the wall because we live here, we know the impact it has on families, on humanitarian efforts and most important laeour economy. the fabric of what makes this a multicultural safe state and we are real a working in new mexico to bolster our conomy. sowe were both on the same page on that issue and immigration and the border wall were not primary issues in the campaign
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because we're living in a totally different reality than what's being manufactured by the president. >> all right. governor of new mexico. thank you somuch for making some time tonight. the state of arizona has 373 miles of border. so long and varied the stories are as nuanced as the terrain. nbc news correspondent morgan rathford live -- >> reporter: right now their rin a bigger battle over this freshly placed wire you can see covering the fence behind me. but the reality is this fence is just a small portion of the entire arizona border. in fact 2/3 of that border only ehad short vehicle barriers or no barriers at all and that
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means for each type of terrain there's a completely different type of battle at the border. the arizona/mexico border 373 miles of treacherous terrain. one giant barrier. from the mountainous natural barriers in the east to man-made raiser wire in the center, and barren desert out west. deadly mountainous terrain like this has already claimed nearly 3,000 lives in the last 20 years. >> year round. even when the temperature's 110 degrees. >> reporter: his life's mission is to remember each and every migrant who died. why do you do it? >> because i'm part of the -- i'm part of the migration. >> reporter: this is your story too?
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>> every time i come here i connect this loss to losses in my own life. >> reporter: he's placed 900 crosses in five years. >> this administration is using the desert to kill people and they're due dying from lack of water. >> reporter: which is why they leave behind a jug of water. they figured if someone died here, morare coming behindthem. people have left messages to you after leaving the water bottle? >> whoever finds them, yeah. bless us. >> reporter: even if the migrant were to try to avoid the desert,en the they'd run into this. a 22-foot high wall covered in brand new wire. this is arizona. but that is mexico. she moved here to be closer to her husband who's waiting in mexico to apply citizenship in the u.s. just how hard it is. there are more than 5,000 -- tim foley calls him safl certified tracker.
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who's the founder of the arizona border recon. a group of volenner tos from all over the country. where are the cameras that you're using? >> they're hidden. >> reporter: dressed in camouflage and armed with his pistol, he goes aught to patrol this patch of the border, placing hidden cameras and looking for any susan of what he calls criminal activity. a lot of people might say you're a bunch of racist whose want to hunt down mexican people crossing the border. >> that's because they have a preconceivered notionf who we are and anyone who's trying to protect the border, thaw call them racist. yet the second largest makeup of our group is hispanic males. >> reporter: you have hispanic males helping you? >> is.
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>> you talked about the wire put up behind you. why has that been a source of friction? >> reporter: a lot of people here said look, we're not necessarily opposed to some form of a bauerier because we've gron up with a fence for the past 20 plus years but what they're bothered bu is the brand new rauzer wur. it feels threating andmany say they feel like they're living in a war zone. but what really struck me is something evet told me, the woman whose husband is unmexico. it's the rhetoric behind the raiser wire. if you notice it's only on the u.s. side of the border and not on the mexican side so what message does that send? what sumble does that mean? what does that tell people they need fear when they come to our country? >> many thanks for that. further west to the great state of california at 140 miles, the
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smallest border with mx oco. the california border is the count ra's busiest land port of entree with 90,000 people including passengers and pedestrians every day. much of the california border issallred a walled off by barriers of any kind. live from san diego, california. >> reporter: hey, chris. most of the people we've been talking to as we cross the border lands here uncalifornia say doesn't feel like it is a crisis but quick for the walls and fnss up for more than a decade. >> stretching across desolate deserts into the pacific, california's 130 mile border starts here at the port of entree where post of the traffic appears to be americans crossing south towards health clinics in
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mexico. that's definitely new but this wall is the old wall a lot of border patrol agents say they don't like because they can't see what's going on in the mx co side. americans crossing the mexico. some trump supporters there. wall or no wall? >> wall. >> reporter: wall orno wall? no wall. a massive scene spans the desert with only one way back to actually see the border. crossing the sand dunes gives you a full understanding of how unforgiving the terrain can be. the a floating fence is what we're seeing right here. this is what border patrol installed a few years ago. this is some of the tallest fencing in america and it's next to the strip mall. do you think the rest of the
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united states understands whautsds rr happening on the border? >> no. i think they think trying to steal our job when in reality there are no jobs to steal. >> reporter: do you think there's a border crisis out here? >> no. i think it's ridiculous. we don't need a dam wall. >> reporter: 100 miles into california at the only cafe in camp oo, fox news is up and the crowd is mostly border patrol and some nearby say there is a crisis. >> you used to not see any immigrants passing through but now you see them everywhere. >> reporter: it passes eight prototype walls built during president trump's early preferference concrete. a department of homeland security test found all prototypes were breachable. is this the preferred wall? >> yeah, this design here is what border patrol has oas our
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preferred. right now back either direction, it's a wall. kuhn crete and steel wall my guy kz get protection behind. >> reporter:en the to the busiest land porlt entry with 34 million crossings last year. it runs above an infamous canyon where hundreds of thousands of immigrants cross into the u.s. in the '90s and early 2000s. what changed? >> they built another fence. one they couldn't get over and people coming through. >> another two miles west the fence finally disappears in a place called friendship park. open for family members sep rotted by the border to talk to each other and touch funger tups under the watchful eye of border patrol. and that's what it feels like on the california pseudo.
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on the tijuana side, it's a different story. authorities say there is a humanitarian crisis with the migrant caravans and families coming from central america and border patrol says that's starting to spill over the border into the san diego sector sawing they have seen an apprehension rate of family units up 600% since october. chris. >> there's news today that a number of rights groups, including the aclu are going to sthu government inover the policy they've implemented and the deal they've struck with mexico to keep them in tijuana. >> reporter: we're talking about case wheres people have crossed into the united states and they are here, they have been processed and they are taken back and told to wait in mexico. we heard of ten children that cross under to mexico along with 5300 other people and we're
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expecting to see that a lot more. >> live in san diego, california. that takes us nearly 2,000 mile span back from el paso tonight, i'm joined by two people who know a lot about life on the border. reported extensively on the border including the child separation policy, wheer the mayor of el paso o, texas. the president is going to declare a national emergency. >> i'm not sure how you define national emergency. there is an issue with migrants coming over. today 530 were are leased in el paso and that's a significant increase. mostly central american families. >> yes, they are processed by i.c.e. and we have law enforcement and we have the
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areas where hhs is the entity with care and feeding. >> one of the things that is very clear, jacob and the mayor is talking about, there is something different happening started in 2015 really but intensified, which is the kinds of crossings, where people come from and mismatch between that and the capacity legal, judicial, social services to deal with that. >> but why and how did we get here is the question we have to ask and you have to look back to bill clinton to understand how the border enforcement got into a little bit with you led to this point. bill clinton put into prevention through deterrence and led to people crossing in the desert and dying. donald trump put a much more aggressive deterrence policy that stood together and solved
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the idea there is no connection to enforcement and the migration flows is pretty ridiculous, per the crisis happening is a humanitarian one and happening and connected to enforcement policies of the united states. they are trying to avoid the border patrol, they are trying to get into the country and coming for a very legitimate reason. government is stopping that from happening and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing today. >> you said something about this happens at a bunch of different border towns and there will be religious communities processing it. they then go and find them and go and stand around here. you don't strike me as someone that's scared of that or think that's a threat to the well being of the people of el paso. >> we're not having any issues. we are the safest city for a
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population greater than 500,000, have been for many years. a physical structure like a fence is part of, you know, control of the borders, which we need. the real root problem is we're dealing with the symptoms of a root problem and that's lack of migration, immigration reform. nobody has shown fortitude on either side of the isle. so both are culpable and something has to be done. we're doing dacas, dreamers, those that are already here and what we're doing out of central america. >> we should note there was a deal on the table back in march of -- >> $25 billion. >> $25 billion for the wall to deal with daca and screamers. -- dreamers. >> the mayor makes an excellent point. at tijuana the money spent on enforce sometime processing people, they would be able to come into the country using the legal asylum process, be processed, safe and healthy and not put back into mexico in the dangerous cities, including that one tonight. >> jacob and mayor dean margo,
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thank you for coming by. >> you bet. >> thank you. lights are all on as night falls here in el paso and there is no obvious emergency in site. our coverage live from the border continues after this. (voice) you know what you're doing right now? (danny) impressing the heck out of me. also, giving a shih tzu an updo. pet care ain't easy. 12 hours? 20 dogs? where's your belly rubs? after a day of chasing dogs you shouldn't have to chase down payments. (vo) send invoices and accept payments to get paid twice as fast. (danny) you deserve a treat. and by treat i mean cash. bacon-wrapped cash. josie...it's time to get yours! (vo) quickbooks. backing you.
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ed gets copays as lowlily go to as zero dollars on medicare part d prescriptions. ed gets labels clear as day. and, lily.... lily gets anything she wants. ed knows he could just have us deliver his prescriptions. but what's the fun in that? switch to cvs pharmacy. it appears the border legislation is on its way to
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pass the house of representatives going to the president next for his signature and something you hear the president say to supports, if you don't have a border, you don't have a country. in some sense, sure, that's true. orders are a feature but the question for the u.s. is not does it have a border or not, it's what kind of border we will have. for most of its existence, the southern border had nowhere near the massive security apparatus it's developed in 20 years. the fencing behind me that separates el paso was built in 2008. a lot of people for decades and beck cads used to come and go and come for work and return home to their families, sometimes seasonally. in fact, u.s. immigration policy for much of this country's entire history was the kind of open border policy basically anyone not enslaved could more or less show up. the country had a border then,
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too, and existed as a country. then another thing you hear not just from the president but really from politicians across the political spectrum is we need to secure the border and yet, no one ever seems to define what the heck that means, what is the goal that you want to reach? it means in practice is always more, more money, more fencing, more drones, more technology. more border patrol, more enforcement, more punitive measures and somehow it's it early never enough and it's not about the border and it never has been and you know that because as soon as they were offered a $25 billion package for the border wall, the white house derailed the talks by demanding a drastic reduction in legal immigration. he could have had money for the wall but the wall is not the issue and the border, this real stretch of land with people and families and businesses and churches on both sides of the
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line is not the issue. the issue is what this country as a whole looks like and who gets to call it theirs, which is why the wall will never be built and always be needed. the border will actually never be secured but always need to be secured. it's because america cannot be and will not be one hopes the kind of nation those folks want, the president, his advisors, one bound by ethnic and racial affiliation rather than a collective vision of a pre society. the border is not what we need secure. what we want is for people to be secure. we want people to feel secure. and that, that's hard. and getting there and all it would mean is something that no amount of fencing is ever going to provide. that does it for our special edition of "all in america." thanks to the amazing reporters that spent many hours traveling the border to bring these stories tonight. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight the after math of comey's firing.
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the discussion of removing trump from office from stunning details from what it is like on the inside? robert mueller has a new supervisor freshly sworn in, william barr. why is the top conservatives warning tonight that mueller will be gone soon. president trump will fund the government but will declare a national emergency in order to get his border wall. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a thursday night. good evening once again from our headquarters here in new york. day 756 of the trump administration. congress passed a spending bill meaning we won't be covering a shutdown tomorrow night. speaker pelosi added her signature now goes onto the president, a plan to declare a national emergency to help build that long promise wall. that has not over shadow the big news, a former acting director

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