tv Morning Joe MSNBC February 15, 2019 3:00am-6:00am PST
>> that's not the way congress is supposed to be run. you're supposed to go to congress, make a deal, go and talk to people, get the guys in there. whether you're republican or democrat you're supposed to all get together and you're supposed to make a deal but he couldn't make a deal because it's not his thing. >> oh, like so much in the trump administration, you have to pretend like history started at the 2016 election to believe much of anything he says. and even that he plays around with. good morning. >> mike pence did the same thing when he was governor of indiana, shaking his head, i think it's a weak president, attacking barack obama. >> such a disappointment. >> just for issuing presidential orders. in emergency order goes so far beyond that, this is a direct violation of constitutional rights that our founders gave members of congress. wow. what a way to start -- >> happy friday, everybody.
february 15th, national emergency day, along with joe, willie and me, we have national affairs analyst for nbc news and msnbc and co-host and executive producer of showtime's "the circus" john heilemann. donny deutsch is here with us, and also susan del percio. editor of "commentary" magazine. >> just keep on talking, mika. >> we have john podhoretz with us as well and msnbc contributor joyce vance. there's so much to talk about. >> big day. i would like willie to start talking about the president's physical, but i guess we can get to that a little bit -- >> could live to be 200 from what i can tell. >> weighs 199, runs a 4.75 40.
>> they're lying about his health. he can't stop lying. >> i know a guy who's 6'4" and weighs close to 240 pounds, he does not look look that. >> no. no. >> if he's fighting an obesity crisis, there's no doubt he is obese -- >> guys, it's not funny. he's dead serious. look up the stats. this guy is either obese or medically, morbidly obese. it's something he's obviously battling. i think he should talk about it with the american people. listen, i don't care if he weighs close to 300 pounds. i mean, that's something that he should talk about. mika, you wrote a book about this. >> i did. and we talk about america's fight with american diet with
obesity and food addiction and this is something that really connects the president with much of the country and the struggles that we face and he should be honest about it. it is a shame that he is not taking this opportunity to not only connect with the american people but maybe do something look governor hickenlooper, for example, lost weight and really worked on creating a city that was healthier. the president clearly has a very big problem. it's very sad. >> he could be a leader here. >> yeah. >> speaking of leaders, donny deuts deutsch, i'm curious of what up call leaders in new york city who carol maloney, unfortunately her district was robbed of this amazon opportunity, but she talked about 25,000 good paying
jobs that were lost. she talked about massive infrastructure improvements that were lost. the fact that when somebody like amazon comes to your area, that that attracts other tech giants. for people who don't even understand basic economics, they actually think all that money and tax incentives if the jobs were brought and all the other great things happened in that area, you know, he said there's a financial literacy epidemic in america. quick lesson: new york city wasn't handing cash to amazon. it was an incentive program based on job creation producing tax revenue. there isn't a $3 billion pile of money that can now be spent on subways or education.
and the problem is by people who didn't understand that and ignored over 80% of latinos in the new york area and 70% of black americans in the new york area who needed these jobs, who wanted these jobs. end of the line, the people who wasn't the jobs the least to come to the area were white elites in manhattan, according to all of the polls. >> white morons in manhattan. who would have thought on a day our portly president declared an emergency this would be the second inane move of the day. when you have alexandria ocasio-cortez, i hope she doesn't tweet, donnie, who are you, to basically come out and point out that we can take that money and give it to teacher, it
doesn't exist. $27 billion, we put down 3. that's what happened. you attach this to the green deal and president trump now gets to go, oh, the democrats don't want jobs, the democrats doesn't want companies coming to your neighborhoods, the president wants green deal, tuition handed to you, socialism. we are in a dangerous place and if people in the party doesn't start to speak up against people like alexandria ocasio-cortez who is young and dynamic but does not know what she's talking about, they're going to hand the presidency back to donald trump. i want everybody to understand that. >> willie, this is something that i talked about yesterday at the top of the show about how a lot of our overreach back when i
first got into congress as a freshman in 1994 running against bill clinton helped bill clinton get elected two years later. the important this evening ng t here is there are politicians in new york city opposed to this still it's just aoc was the most vocal and was cheering that 25,000 high-paying jobs that most of the people in her district and most of the people in new york wanted. >> 25,000 jobs promised as part of the deal by amazon but the ancillary flow. would there be some gener gentrification? sure. that was part of the concern. think of what comes out of that
and all the businesses that are built and the people that are hired and the dry cleaners and restaurants and everything that flows out of 25,000 jobs coming in. susan, you've worked in new york city politics for a very long time. what's your view of this and did some of the progressives have a point in some of their protests about what amazon wanted out of this deal? >> no, because the protests that we saw were to get on the aoc's bandwagon. what's shocking to me is once again she shows how little she understands not just economics but even unemployment. she's the one who said the reason unemployment is so low is because a lot of people have two jobs. she needs to learn basic things about what it is to be a representative. when you look at what happens in new york city and new york state, we're losing people like crazy. we are going to lose our influence in washington during the next redistricting because we'll lose one to two congressional seats. now we're telling business don't come here. just because she has a progress
of jaagenda, which some people like, does not man she has the city's best interest. she showed me she only cares about herself and not about her colleagues and carol maloney and not about the people she represents because those people would be getting jobs themselves. >> and it's also the infrastructure improvements that would make people's commute from her district and also all around new york a bit easier, a bit less onerous, the commute is so long and so difficult for so long working class new yorkers, it's a real problem. this is the sort of thing that, again, i found when i first got to congress, younger members of congress just didn't know what they didn't know. and i put myself on the top of that list. that's something that you actually write about in your new book. >> yeah. in "earn it," which we just
announced yesterday, i focus on millennial women in their 20s and 30s, that zeal, that energy, that new thinking is all great but you still don't have the experience. in this case it's the political experience. obviously the issue is complicated. obviously there was a lot of support for what she was talking about on the local level. it is always more complicated but in politics it's clear and she needs to follow some of the more successful, more mature members. i suggest nancy pelosi would be a great example but you don't know what you don't know and you're going to step in it and they have a few times. i watch aoc with a lot of hope but i'm cringing, and i would love to give her some advice. >> we've all stepped in it. >> we still do. >> and we all didn't nope whkno
we didn't know. and i promise we're rrning eturo the emergency. >> we are. >> that movement ended up costs 25,000 jobs, the overwhelming majority in queens wanted, and again, even if the ultimate responsibility is not laid at her feet, you don't celebrate the loss of 25,000 jobs on twitter. that's something that donald trump would do. >> it's that fervor that brings us to potentially another trump presidency, that fervor. a brand new battle for the white house as president trump barrels toward a fight with congress over a national emergency to fund a border wall. the white house confirmed the president will make the declaration under the 1976 law
intended for moments of disasters and security threats. but president trump is using this one to reappropriate money for even more new wall at the border, just days after a congressional compromise on where barriers were needed, last night the house followed the senate in approving the bored are security deal. 300 members in favor, 128 opposed with 110 of the votes against coming from the republican side. the deal gives the president less than $1.4 billion for the wall, but at 10 a.m. this morning, an administration official says the president will announce he has secured $8 billion for the wall with his national emergency declaration. it's hard to say because this is so unfathomable. trump gets the money appropriated by the border security compromise bill and adds $3.5 billion out of the defense department's military construction budget, $2.5
billion out of the dncht .o.d.'g intradition program and $6 money million out of the treasury's drug forfeiture fund. >> there were some like marco rubio and susan collins who expressed concern about this because after the next school shooting when there is a democrat who is president, that will be a school emergency and gun rights they consider constitutionally protected will be taken away. or climate change. that will be declared a national emergency and they'll actually have the science for that. so here we're looking i guess mainly at mitch mcconnell, who has seemed to completely cave and collapse to the president, seems to be supporting it. where does this end up? >> where i think it ends up is
with a legal challenge that strikes it down and my guess is that's mcconnell's ultimate end game. mcconnell on one hand basically stood up to the president on one side, which is to say we're going to pass this thing, the time has come, we're not going to shut down the government given, we're going to pass a bill, make a law and you're going to eat it. and in that sense, i think mcconnell is reflecting the will of his members and their political negotiations were able to have some back bon. his view is that this is going to end up in court and most likely get struck down. although for mcconnell's point of view, it's a cost-free exercise in some sense, let trump have his victory here declaring he's going to have a national emergency when he knows it's not going to go into effect immediately. i will point out aside from all of that, which i do think the course of this is going to be, you look at where trump is
proposing to take this money to get his $8 billion to help him build the wall, if my math is right, saw $6 billion there, 2.5 billion coming out of the defense department's drug interdiction program. you're going to take money out of the interdiction program that's targeted on stopping drugs coming across the border, and another 3.5 coming out of the military construction budget. if this were actually going to go into effect and we had to live with it, it would be very interesting to see where those military bases are that are going to lose dollars out of the d.o.d.'s military construction budget because i'll bet if it were actually to happen, it would be a gargantuan political
loser for the president. >> $6 billion seized from the pentagon, an awful lot from the mil-con budget and a good question, any time we had base realignment and closure process, you could see members of congress, including myself, scramble, that would be a big political loser. john podhoretz, for donald trump, this is a no-lose situation. he gets to sign the funding bill to keep the government open and this is a figure leaf he can hold up so his talk radio handlers won't be attacking him over the next couple days, even though he knows and he's been told it will be overturned in the courts, he can then start running against the liberal court. >> i'm not so sure it is going to be overturned by the courts. the courts have traditionally
been very, very hesitant to question the president's interpretation of what constitutes a national security crisis. pt question is politically whether or not the house and senate can block this and there's a whole procedure where they pass a resolution that says that this shouldn't happen under the emergencies act and supreme court rulings in the 80s meant because of those, the president has to sign or reject that resolution, sort of like any piece of legislation, at which point it has to be overturned by a two-thirds vote of the senate. i think it unlikely that you can get 15 republicans to join with the democrats and overturn that resolution, but it's not impossible. you know, we've seen i don't know how many people, some number of republicans voted against the bill. the bill as it stands yesterday in the senate and mcconnell himself, given what trump did to him on the shutdown, mcconnell
himself might theoretically vote to overturn trump's refusal of the banning the emergency to make a point. and mcconnell said the thing in 2013 that is going to haunt republicans forever. when harry reed killed the filibuster for lower court judges, mcconnell said you are going to regret this one day and that day came four years later when republicans had the senate and trump was the president and they barrelled through hundreds of judicial nominations, just like this, as you said. the train has already left the station. democrats take over in 2021, they declare dozens of emergencies whenever they don't get their way on the hill and we have a new political reality. >> and by the way, willie, let
look at guns on the anniversary of parkland. polls out showing that 85% of americans support expanded background checks. 60% of americans support the banning of military-style semiautomatic weapons. 65% of americans support -- well, again, just a lot of gun control laws, a lot of gun safety laws that republicans would despise. if there as nor school shooting, the nexus is very clear, it's very direct, the numbers are far more persuasive than the numbers here. and you have another problem with donald trump as far as national emergency goes. you look at all of the national emergencies that have been declared under this act, none of them come close to fitting this situation and you also have once again, as we've seen over the past two years, donald trump's own words tripping him up,
saying if i don't get from the democrats what i want, if these negotiations don't turn out well, then i'll just declare a national emergency. i don't know a single federal judge that would allow that to pass, what my old torts professor called the straight face test. it's just a joke. >> you make an important point. a lot of defenders on the republican side of this declaration are pointing to the fact that we are currently under 31 national emergencies dating back to president carter. but as you say, those are very different from this perceived national emergency where the president didn't get funding and he's using this as a political tool to get what he wants for a perceived national emergency. joyce vance, i'm curious what you think about the potential legal peril the president might face or how long this could be tied up in courts. do you believe that a court will uphold a national emergency in this case. >> you know, i'm going to go out
on a limb here and predict that the supreme court will not uphold trump's declaration of national security here. the power of the executive to act in this manner is broadest when congress hasn't considered an issue. but here congress has considered and rejected the idea of funding this wall and there's pretty good precedent going back to the 1950s in a case called youngstown steel, i don't think the court will have any trouble finding that this is a slippery slope we shouldn't go down. >> well, ahead we're going to talk to gene about your column, about what the real national emergency is and some would say, you would say that's trump. still ahead on "morning joe," andrew mccabe is out with a new book critical of the white house, which of course means president can't resist tweeting about it. >> he is one of the best book
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president trump claimed that migrants hoping to illegally entry the country through the southern border would have to be in extremely good shape to get over his proposed border wall. that makes sense. he's in terrible shape and he can't seem to get over it. i love how trump says you have to be in extremely good shape like it's hard to achieve. that's just because he can't imagine it. he may as well say you're going to have to have undereye skin that's the same color as rest of your face. >> oh, my gosh, funny. joining us, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. you have a new column entitled "we have a national emergency, all right, his name is donald trump." you write, to pretend to build an unbuildable border wall is not only an act of
constitutional vandalism, it's also an act of cowardice, a way to avoid the wrath of ann coulter, rush limbaugh and the rest of the far-right commentariat. it gives congress, not the president, the authority to decide how public money is spent. it does not give trump the right to fund projects that congress will not approve. i'll pop in there everyone is so shocked that there might have been a conversation about the 25th amendment. i don't understand why a conversation at this point isn't on the table as a possibility, just a conversation. >> you can have your conversation all you a wanwant.
i can talk about the red sox and why i should be batting clean-up this year. >> and the issues that impact the presidency and make the american people unsafe, why is that bad? when i brought it up, it was a no go. >> this is america. if you want to talk about the 25th amendment, you can. but donald trump, a lot of really smart progressives that i know say the way to get donald trump out of office is to beat him at the ballot box -- >> i agree. >> and to send a message to future generations, if you run the white house this way, you're going to get trounced. so, gene, the president of course is talking about decla declaring this national emergency. even ann coulter is saying now, she still turned on him and said
you can't declare a national emergency for a bill that you sign! you declare a national emergency to overturn some things that you signed into law 24 hours before. it's over. >> she's really not having it. she wants him not to sign this bill. he is going to sign the bill, apparently, though it early. watch the twitter feed. assuming that he does, she's going to have a fit. i think the rest of his amen c chorus, sean hannity and probably limbaugh will go along with this and pretend he's going to be able to build the wall with this emergency declaration, which i don't think he's going to be able to do. i think it is going to be challenged probably in court, probably with a resolution of disapproval that would originate
in the house and have to be voted on in the senate. and tied up for years. and as you said earlier, he'll claim that he's being stopped from defending you against these rapists and ms-13 members by the liberal courts and the dastardly democrats and this and that and that will be his big theme in the campaign. >> and john podhoretz, i'm curious what your thoughts are about the trajectory of donald trump's political fortunes over the past couple weeks, two, three weeks ago i would have put his chances at getting re-elected at maybe 10%, maybe 15%. you don't get re-elected when you bounce between 35 and 40%, 41, 42%. you just don't. but i must say, you look at the sorry performance of some democrats on capitol hill, in virginia, you look at the
blackface scandal in virginia and the democrats' inact to handle that, you look at the anti-semitic remarks on capitol hill, democrats came out strongly against that, i get it. but now you look at long island city, you look at queens, you look at all of this and suddenly you look at new york state legislature applauding late-term abortion bills and suddenly you have given donald trump and more specifically steven miller their closing argument that would make them competitive in 2020 if the democrats keep acting this way. >> well, i think as done donni in the beginning of the show, we see a road map, which is the left-wing democrats cost 25,000 jobs in new york city and extrapolate that from the 8
million in new york from 330 million in the country, these are the jobs they're going to kill if you get them re-elected. i think that trump, you are see a huge missed opportunity for trump over the last couple of weeks and a misreading of the polls. the shutdown is over, all the polls have him going back up. you read that and you say maybe he shouldn't have listened to ann coulter and rush limbaugh on the shutdown. if he listens to them he's in the 30s, if he doesn't listen to them, he's in the 40s. he would have used that wisdom to say i'm signing this bill, we're going to fight for this wall, we're not stopping, i'm going to mention it every day. going back and even though she hates the bill and hates that he signed it, but continuing his fight with the national emergency, keep the conflict between trump and the hill going, it makes him look
divisive and he need to start building up from 42 to 47, 48 if he's going to win the presidency. and i don't think he's reading his polls right or reading the national mood right. . >> joe, speaking of the national mood. i love to bust your chops. the first five minutes of yesterday's show i think sums of everything when you talked about the overreach of the democrats. it was only a few months ago that the democrats trounced the republicans by 9% and those were not the crazy -- not crazy -- those are not the extreme progressives, those were the more traditional candidate. this which is still 3-1 central right. the democratic party has gone from 25 to 50% liberal but they are still outmanned. and at the end of the day if they're not talking to those in the suburbs of philly and the
suburbs of milwaukee, they're going to lose. there is this overreach and handing it to trump. i could write trump's entire campaign going forward and it an unbeatable proposition. you know, willie, what we were talking about last week, as offensive as the el paso speech was and you listen to the last five minutes and you thought he's got his closing argument for 2020 already, a lot of it is based by unforced errors by democrats, who don't listen to nancy pelosi. this lks like all elections is going to be determined in places like wisconsin, michigan, ohio, pennsylvania, virginia, north carolina and florida. a lot of those states went for barack obama a couple times and then went for donald trump.
>> and the candidate who gets that will be the candidate who becomes the nominee and perhaps the candidate who can beat donald trump. it been interesting it's been interesting to see it's been nancy pelosi who has pulled back the most progressive wing of her party, whether it's been questions of impeachment or the new deal. i just want to ask you, joyce vance, on this national emergency, for the president it gives him cover. i'll fight this all the way to the supreme court, that's how important that wall is to me. if i get turned away at the supreme court, at least i went all the way to the wall, if you'll forget the pun there. what's the first step but it may even get to the supreme court? >> so this will have to go first to a trial court, one of the federal districts on to a circuit court and then to the
supreme court. there are already multiple groups looking at filing initial lawsuit. in california, the attorney general has referenced it. nancy pelosi has said congress might have some claims because of violation of congress's power of the purse. and then some of the civil rights groups are looking at filing on the border. there may be people who will lose funding who will file over that. the question isn't how will it progress but how many places will it progress in and which of those cases will end up in the supreme court to tee the issue up for decision. >> obviously a lot of people are going to be watching that. just to wrap up the segment, it important to note that this isn't about progressives versus moderates in the democratic party, even though most recent polls show that a majority of democrats want the democratic party to go in a moderate, a more moderate direction than a progress of direction. it's always important to remember barack obama was the second most progressive democrat
in the senate when he ran for president in 2008. this is a progressive party. they're going to most likely nominate a progressive leader, but it's got to be a progressive nominee that does not commit the sort of unforced errors that open the democratic party up to donald trump and give him a pathway to reelection because i can't tell you how many senior democrats i've spoken with over the past week who now fear that donald trump has a better than even chance of getting re-elect re-elected. >> a lot of it is temperament and discipline, which was why i was so impressed by pete buttigieg on the show yesterday, a contrast temperamentally. joyce vance, thank you very much. coming up, much more on amazon's decision to scrap plans for a new york city headquarters. what one of the company's top policy officials is telling nbc news next on "morning joe."
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>> i think it's incredible. i mean, it shows that every day americans still have the power to organize and fight for their communities and they can have more say in this country than the richest man in the world. >> reporter: what do you say to those who criticize by them pulling out, the district is going to lose 25,000 jobs? >> a, we were subsidizing those jobs. so for the -- the city was paying for those jobs so frankly if we were willing to give away $3 billion for this deal, we could invest those $3 billion ourselv ourselves, we can hire more teachers, fix our subways and put a lot of people to work if we just wanted to. >> susan, what's your reaction?
>> nope, it's not like you have that money. you cannot fund schools with money that does not exist. she had her agenda. she wanted to make something for herself. she didn't look at the district, she didn't speak to the member that represents the district. this is a stunt for herself. and the fact that she chose to make it about rich versus poor, her conclusion was that workers beat the richest man on the earth. that's not a good argument. you want to have a conversation about tax incentives doing good and do corporations deserve it, that's one thing and she went there because that's part of her shtick and there's no substance behind it. >> the argument behind the amazon deal is it's a conservative argument, you don't go company by company hand being out tax breaks, you lower the
tax burden in the state and the politicians doesn't pick winners or losers, make it a more hospitable place to do business and amazon comes naturally and get the $3 billion tax incentive from a reduction in overall tax rates. that's a conservative argument. the liberal argument is give me that money so i can use it for something else. but as usesusan said, there is money. this is not like building a stadium. it's true that cities and states build stadiums, pay for the stadium and then hand it to a team. that's horrible corporate welfare and everybody in the country is sort of learning of the egregiousness of that. this is something else. so there's going to be no business in long island city that creates 25,000 new jobs because amazon's gone. >> with reporting on amazon's decision, the co-founder of axios and dillon byers.
you spoke with the head of amazon's policy communications. what stopped the deal? >> this was about a sustained opposition over the course of three months. efforts by amazon to go into the community, to have conversations, what jody told me is that often times state and local officials wouldn't even come to the table to meet with them. what she said and she name checked some of these officials, including alexandria ocasio-cortez. she said we came in with a plan to bring 25,000 jobs into the area and grow the economy and what we heard day in and day out was never amazon, never amazon, never amazon. i think for them there's just in sense certainly for the
leadership at amazon, for jeff bezos himself, that's not the environment they want to be in. there was a vote on this that wasn't scheduled to happen until half wave throuway through 2020. amazon moves faster than that. at the end of the day, dealing with that opposition and dealing with that push back is not what jeff bezos feel like they signed up for. this financialily l illiteracy, fact that 80% of latinos wanted this, the fact that queens on the whole wanted amazon there, there is just this sort of disconnect there that i think began to frustrate bezos and the members of his leadership team and ultimately they pulled the plug. >> williwillie, if you're amazo
you bring in 25,000 new jobs to the district and you're going to improve the infrastructure and improve the quality of life there, out of 50 states, how many do you think would beg amazon to come? 49 maybe? >> they already are. when this news broke yesterday, just about every state threw their hand up, including newark across the river that said remember us, we can just move you across the river and be done with it. mike allen, what's the reaction on capitol hill and where you're covering? >> willie, as someone who has been at ground zero of new york politics, explain to me the bezos thinking. he said i stood up to "national enquirer"'s blackmail, i'm not going to be pushed around by every politician in queens. he said i made this deal with the governor and the mayor. i reasonably assumed they could deliver. they couldn't. they didn't. i'm out of here.
if you're the mayor and the governor, you really m miscalculated. mayor deblasio thought he had enough hold over progressives, governor cuomo, he didn't. so the takes pairs will not have these jobs or this income. >> there were questions about gentrification, questions about why amazon wasn't putting more money with the mta and help with the subway but that's all part of a negotiation that will not happen now. >> correct. i'll say having looked in brooklyn at the time that the barclay center was getting build, there was similar -- gentrification, there's complexities, a lot of people like the housing values going up, others don't like the disruption. you have a fight and in many cases, the arena is now a part
of the fabric of central brook length. although there are still people unhappy about it, by and large most people are happy about it and the economic development it brought. jech bezos got the deal done with the mayor and the governor. to me it reads an awful lot like a degree of kind of naivete on the part of the amazon ceo on this case. they conducted more than a year-long audition process around the country, cities making their bids for this where headquarters is going to go. one would have thought that a company that is a smart and large and enmeshed in various communities is that bezos would have gone a little deeper on the political analysis. his team, that is, that up could
have foreseen this was not going to be the slam dunk-the-thought it was. so i guess my question is whether they were totally blindsided by this or l they recognized there was going to be trouble but they thought they had enough political muscle to overcome it. >> that's a fascinating question. there's certainly a lack of foresight. you should know going into new york city what the politics on the ground are. you should know what you're dealing with. my sense based off the conversations i've had is that they felt as though de blasio and governor cuomo were going to carry that ball for them. i don't think that jeff bezos and his team thought they would have to be the ones coming to the table with state and local officials. maybe they should have thought that. maybe it was arrogant not to think that. but going back to mike's point,
there is answer here for bezos that he doesn't deal with extortion. and i think he might see the way that local officials are treating this decision, the same way ami came after and tried to blackmail and extort him, he's look i'm coming at you with a game-changing investment in the local community, fine, i'm go elsewhere, amazon is going to be just fine. >> anybody who saw the barclays experience but prior to that the walmart, these two big examples of giant developments that took place in communities that were mixed race, mixed economies and where gentrification has been a long-term concern, both of those companies, walmart and the
barclays, it was complicated. there are no slam dunks in new york local politics. there aren't. >> but in both of those cases they had the city council speaker on board. and basically they dropped this bomb on the new york city speaker and said here you go, you better accept it and that was the play they weren't planning on. >> dillon byers, thanks for waking up early. john podhoretz, i greatly appreciate you being here. you know, mika, what's also lost here is just the reality in american capitalism. it is messy, it is difficult. in this case jobs create jobs. you can't just look at amazon. you look at what happened with the nationals ballpark went in. the fabric of both of those neighborhoods in washington,
d.c. have changed and most people would say have changed for the better. and that's something that's not -- it's just like the government shutdown. it wasn't just the 700,000 employees missing the paycheck. it was allle vendor the vendors drivers, the cafes. this could have helped not just the 25,000 people there but so many other people in that area. and as andrew ross sorkin said, there's just a basic ignorance of economics 101 here and it's cost queens 25,000 jobs. >> and the many layers of the conversation are much more complicated. the conversation that we were having earlier about aoc is more about the politics when up deal with a situation like this. this is not a win, win, win. and she put it out that way. we have a lot more still ahead, including bob mueller. he has a new boss who has vowed
we pray in the most holy name of christ jesus our lord, amen. >> you're telling me that the president would have wisdom to sign the bill so the government doesn't shut down. >> we're going to pass it and we all pray that the president will sign it. >> reporter: is the republican party used to praying for the president to do what you want him to do? >> it never hurts to pray for the president. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it is friday, february 15th. we have national affairs analyst
john heilemann. donny deutsch is here today. >> wait a minute, hold on. donny deutsch is an advertising and branding legend. can we get an icon -- willie, we need to write this up and get it to alex. what do we call donnie? is it an advertising icon? >> i think icon and guru have to be in there somewhere, whatever word you choose. >> i'm a man without a tight. >> whatever the title is it needs to include the fact that sometimes highly inappropriate things comes out of his mouth. >> guru, legend. thank you. >> next time branding and marketing guru. >> geriatric gomer. >> tough. >> i'm sorry, what did he say? the geriatric gomer.
>> gomer. >> just like madonna. just one day donnie. let's just go with donnie. thank you. >> perfect. do donnie's here. and eugene robinson join us. and columnist for the "new york times" brett stevens and senior adviser at moveon.org and msnbc contributor, core iine jean-pie. the white house confirmed the president will make the declaration under the 1976 law intended for moments of disasters and security threats. but president trump is using this one to reappropriate money for even more new wall at the
border. just days after a congressional compromise on where barriers were needed, last night the house followed the senate in approving the border security deal. 300 members in favor, 128 opposed, 110 of the votes again coming from the republican side. the deal gives the president less than $1.4 billion for the wall and i believe it makes sure it's not concrete, but at 10 a.m. this morning an administration official says the president will announce he has secured $8 billion for the wall. where is this money coming from? with his national emergency declaration, trump gets the money appropriated by the border security compromise bill and adds $3.5 billion out of the defense department's military construction budget, $2 at any time 5 pl o$2.5 billion out of
the defense department's drug interdiction program and $600 million out of the treasury. >> where is this emergency going to play out for the president? p >> ground zero will be at mar-a-lago. he's going to palm beach. he's leaving for mar-a-lago this weekend. >> his resort. >> you know what, maybe -- well -- >> that's an emergency. >> oh my god. >> gene robinson, this case is going to lose in the courts. we grew up learning about youngstown steel, which of course we heard joyce talk about last hour where harry truman in the middle of a strike tried to take control of the steel companies during war, during an actual war because he needed the
steel to fight the war and the supreme court said you cannot seize private property, even in a time of war by declaring a national emergency. it has limited a president's power to do that ever since. since 1976 they haven't seized property from anything but enemies of america, whether they be in iran, in russia, where they be. we don't really think the united states supreme court is going to allow donald trump for political rans to seize farmers' property and americans' property and small business property in texas, do we? >> no, i don't see it happening. i think, first of all, there is no emergency. and it's obviously -- i've never seen a slow motion emergency
where you start musing a couple of months ago, well, maybe i'll declare an emergency if i don't get what i want and then declare an emergency that's not a real emergency. the president's powers here are limited and as joyce vance pointed out in the last hour, congress has already ajudic adjd this question of whether we're going to spend billions and billions on this wall and congress has said no. so i think the court, even if it goes all the way up to the highest court, i think the courts will say the president can't do this. congress is clear that congress gets to determine how money is spent and the president is trying to get around congress. the president is trying to make a political point. on some level he may realize he's not going to build any wall with this, he's not going to be
allowed to but he is going to have a campaign issue and that's what i think he wants. he wants to satisfy the base. >> legal questions aside, part of what is astounding about this again is the willingness of senate republicans or republicans in the house to go along with something they previously would have found unfathomable. mitch mcconnell, supporting the idea of the president declaring a national emergency when there is no national emergency at the border. what precedent do you believe this sets? a lot of people have pointed to a democratic president coming in declaring a national emergency on gun, on climate change. do you think this opens it up to future presidents? >> absolutely. it does set the precedent for the next democratic president to say, hey, there's a climate change emergency, or there's poverty, poverty is a real
emergency in this country. it really unfortunate to see this. what's happening is as we know congress a co-equal branch of government, we keep hearing congressional members talking about the power of the purse and mitch mcconnell is handing the keys over to donald trump. he doesn't work for donald trump. he works for the american people. there's one more thing i want to say. a year ago chuck schumer offered $25 billion to donald trump for his wall. and a lot of us opposed it. we were not happy when chuck schumer did that. donald trump rejected it. and now what is he getting? he's getting $2 billion not for a wall but for fencing and now it going to call for a national emergency declaration. it just shows you how bad of a deal maker donald trump is. he is not a masterful negotiator. he's essentially a fraud. he bankrupts his businesses and
now he wants to bankrupt our country. this is not normal. we have to keep saying to ourselves, this is not normal. >> he had two years where he owned washington with a republican house and republican senate, he could have easily had his wall. >> the republicans didn't want it. the republicans didn't want the wall. paul ryan didn't want the wall. lindsey graham, mr. we must declare a national emergency because i have a primary in north carolina that i think i'm going to lose because i call donald trump saying he has middle problems and the republican party will die if he gets the nomination, and john cornyn said it's a bad idea. he still says a national emergency is a bad idea. the republicans didn't want this
wall for two years. all they want is the issue. but speaking of issues where republicans change their mind, look at these two clips, willie, for great moments in hypocrisy. it's sort of a tired game. we used to play. with her when we used to go what if a republican did this, boy, the press would kill them. now it's what if barack obama did this. but we don't have to really play that game because here's donald trump and mike pence attacking barack obama for just signing executive orders. watch. >> the whole concept of executive order, it not the w's way the country is supposed to be run. you're supposed to go to congress and make a deal and go and talk to people and get the guys there. whether you're republican or democrat, you're supposed to all get together. you're supposed to make a deal. but he couldn't make a deal
because it's not his thing. >> it would be a profound mistake for the president of the united states to overturn american immigration law with the stroke of a pen. signing an executive order, giving a speech, barn storming around the country defending that executive order is not leadership. i would implore the president to reconsider this path and demonstrate the kind of leadership that the american people long to see and that is that this administration would sit down with this newly minted republican congress and find genuine common ground. if the president of the united states, if he were to go through with this, i think he's acting outside the consent of the government and he's not providing real leadership to solve this intractable issue facing our country the way the country would expect a leader to do. >> wow. things happen. you forget stuff.
does vice president mike pence forget that he says that? >> no. >> does he forget that's what he believed? >> no. does he forget that's him talking about leadership and how it should be properly used as president of the united states? does he forget he said that? what has happened to him? >> by the way, things he's believed his entire life have been thrown away because of donald trump things that conservatives have believed their entire lives -- i have to say it is cute watching so-called conservatives who are actually just in this personal cult of donald trump's, about not being a conservative when i believe the same thing i believed 25 years ago, while a lot of these bloggers were having their diapers changed by their mothers and fathers. but it's not conservative. the party has completely changed what they stand for. i guess we have to play that
game, what if barack obama? and this week's question for you as our special guest star and our audience, is what if instead of just signing an executive order, what if barack obama declared a national emergency on an issue that was actually at a better place than it had been in half a century but used that national emergency to seize private property from texas ranchers, texas farmers, texas families and texas small property -- small business owners? what in the world do you think that mike pence would say shaking his head they republican governor's association. >> joe, this is a game i play all the time. what if barack obama had gone to
kim jong un hat in hand, and then declared at the state of the union peace had been achieved. what if barack obama had seized the notes of his translator following his secret meetings with vladimir putin. and the number of heads exploding at the heritage foundation, and other conservative think thanks would ha have. what bothers me most as a constitutional conservative is the way in which republicans are squandering -- congressional republicans are squandering their birth right. up said it so well. a co-equal branch of government. we do not gleef believe as conservatives that too much power out to be concentrated in the hands of one -- particularly
because sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganders. the pows are that trum associates himself with now are powers they are going to seize using this as a prs dent and real conservatives already rue the day but these up in faux conservatives are going to reu. when liz beate warren starts seizing banks or kamala harris calls a national emergency over climate chang, i'd love to see that. >> that is a real national emergency. mika, after the next -- the next tragedy, if there is another tragedy and a democrat is in the white house, this terrible precedent being set by mitch
mcconnell today, his words today will be used against him by a democratic president to go after what many conservatives consider to be their constitutional second amendment rights. >> corine, what shut democrats do? in some ways, it such a blatant act where can you just start rubbing your hand together going i can't wait to respond today. but what should be the strategy of the democratic response here? >> i think nancy pelosi laid out a really brilliant response yesterday during his press conference as you guys were alluding to with the national emergency where she said there is a real national emergency. just think about it, just yesterday we remembered parkland students, 6:20, 14 kids died last year february 14th, and that was a travesty. that was a disaster. and just last week the house
held in those eight years, 300,000 people died by guns. i think that is what they need to continue to do, to put how do they see the future of this country. how when they talk about important issues like gun reform. i think that's one of the things that nancy pelosi was trying to say, there actual she said she's going to take a look at what they can do legally and to see what donald trump actually does at 10:00 this morning. >> john higheilemann. >> there's not going to be a government shutdown, the president will sign the bill, declare a national emergency and there there be an immediate court challenge. those things seem baked into the cake.
there's some dispute because of the courts, the president will maybe get his way and then we'll have a reality to deal with on that. some people think the courts will look at this related to spending power and smack him down. what does trump make of this now? there's been some speculation around the terrible this morning, all the price trump's kind of in a no-lose situation right now. >> trump sees everything through the prism of how this works for his base, how it works for him m 2020? does this the establishment in order to get what he wants done. so this is really what's so
grotesque about the situation, which is that this is for him a terrific political move. it races the is, a, search racial of powers and, b, the future interests of the republican party. it reminds me when harry reid started to do away with. >> let's pick up the word grotesque and let's not forget what this is all about. there really is an emergency here for this base. donald trump ran on make america great, make america white given. he ran on the wall and the muslim ban. this is about the year 2045, when whites will be a minority in this country. it's not about mexico, it's not
about a wall, it's your fear, the 42% that you're the minority, that neg that is not they are going to permanently alienate their hispanic base and become an embittered party like they are in california. >> donnie's point is spot on as always because you know he is an advertising they're talking about an emergency at a time when illegal border crossings are at a 50-wreer low.
they're talking about drugs when over 90% of the drugs that kill americans come through legal pords of. so you say what is this about? and donnie just said it, it's about brown people. it's about black people. it's about the others, which donald trump's campaign has always been about those who are no white, they're coming to take the country over is what donald trump is telling those people in el has he's telling those people in osh kosh, wisconsin. he's telling those people in lancaster, pennsylvania, that's his message. so it's.
>> and again, they could have gotten it when they had the power. they could have done it. they didn't. >> they didn't want it. >> what they're doing, many would argue, and as you just did, they're using it as a platform for hate. i mean, you have lawmakers that go to hearings on gun violence and then start randomly bringing up the wall and using shortstop, they just wanted the issue to spew hateful rhett wreck. >> they cold a monopoly of power in washington, d.c. for two years. donald trump was offered $25 billion for his wall. he said no to it. because he didn't this guy went
bankrupt himself and now he's bank rupting america. he's added $2 trillion to the national debt with a tax cut that only help the lech i feel like they're voming up more short with the back. at we've got to stop those latin american people from coming up here into america. again, he doesn't even try to hide his racism. a lot of these republican leaders are trying to do their best. when you feverishly ush.
locke graduated from harvard in 1918 and became the first african-american rhodes scholar. during the 1920s, his work in the new york laborbury give him the ability to smock and many more. gene, tell us more about lock's legacy. >> well, he was a fascinating, complicated man. he was born in philadelphia, grew up in philadelphia. was, you know, went to harvard, then became a rhodes scholar, weld that eventually was put in the practice of using african-american cultural
important figure. >> eugene, thank you very, very much. still ahead. >> we have not declared an emergency because this has not been con tn shus. >> the. and i'm going to support the national situation. >> and that was mitch mcconnell and after it was effectively secured, senate democrat tina smith weighs in on all of it next on "morning joe."
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with different values can present to the american people. you want to talk about a national emergency? let's talk about today, the one-year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in america. that's an emergency. why don't you declare that a national emergency. >> joining us, democratic senator tina smith from minnesota. good to you have here. >> it's good to be here. let me ask you about the president's declaration of a national emergency. what's your reaction to that procedure as a way to attack what he hopes to be a new wall lo longand is announcing he's looking for billions in extra
spending for the wall. there's not billions of dollars behind the couch cushions in the federal government. this was money that was appropriated by congress in order to be spent on thanksgiving that congress thinks is important. that's the way our constitutional democracy is supposed to work. the president just doesn't get to say there's an emergency and change the way that money ought to be spent. so i think it's a real problem. it's interesting how these republicans who have beencying they don't think do you support the idea for the next president, whoever that is, republican or democrat, let's say it's a democrat if you get your wish because, by the way, there is the option of not low aring yourself from do you think the next president should use -- >> what is happening is this
president is undermining the rule of law. that's exactly what he's doing with emergency. the constitution tells us that so i think it just wrong. >> so for pop watching from home, is there going to, i think there's going to be a bunch of lawsuits and there should be. then i think it would be a very good idea for the house sending a resolution over to the senate and make senate -- the senate would be required then to vote on it. that o paul. the founders were profoundly
cognizant of this, u when they gave to the congress the powers of the purse because they knew the danger that was presented to free government when you had an executive who also had the purse. that is a road to despotism. if you ask any conservative who has thought about this, talked to george will, anyone who has really thought about these issues, transcends the question of 2019. it is about constitutional government. i would argue in some ways, this represents donald trump's most direct attack on our system of checks and balances. ion the majority leader of the united states the die deof a national emergency. >> i thought of the story
"mignons there he's behaving as if he is a foot soldier in the senate arms -- he is the nat smarjt leader. >> it looks like a mignon right now as i'm looking at those pictures. i'd like to, given the benefit of the doubt and assuming the prns -- in exchange for you a lettering the be to put the emergency dk laration ai'd well, in deal that we voted on yesterday is the exact same thing this we voted on december. there's additional money for the
census and that's a good thing but it 1.375 billion, which is what i president threatened to -- i'm really unhappy that this gay does not who lost 35 days worth of wajs and lft and -- >> to your credit, frrmt ands that a lost piece of the shutdown that all these people are not getting their money. >> you're talking about contract workers will no get paid. it is really devastating to see. we should all rightbecause the president of the united states decided he was going to shut down the government for 35 days
for let's not forget a wall that will be a failed policy. that's what experts tell us is that it is not going to work. republicans don't want it, democrat don't want it. so this is where the president is taking us to, down it really incredibly dangerous path. there's something else i want to say that mika and joe were talking about, which is the politics of fear, politics of racism, politics of bigotry. we have to remember what this all about you it will mike i don't see as he thought african nations were as po then there we are today and the fact that republicans continue to support that, that's scary. let's not forget in 2013 there was a postmortem that was done after the election that republicans had that said, you nope what, the party needs to
reach out to people of color, the latino community, the african-american community and they're not doing that. they're doubling on this really bigoted, racist identity politics of protecting white folks, older white folks who feel like they're losing -- >> again, this wasn't some accident the president's fallen into. it was his very first speech in june of '15. >> and donald trump now proposing building a wall alongside the canadian border to keep the drug smullers out. presidential campaign manager in minneapolis. incredible events. i have a very specific that s did and she got hit with a
couple stores the situation with the high turnover in her office and how she's treated underlings, and like you to address that specifically and what you know about her in that regard but also then just the broader question, which is that so far every democrat that has announced so far has been hit with these kinds of stories, what i would think of as opposition-research driven stories. not unusual for presidential candidates but a little unusual to get them at or before your announcement. usually those kind of stories come when you're starting to rise and people are starting to worry about you. in this race right now, democrats are getting generally hit with these things right out of the gate. so on the specific and on the general, please. i've known amy for and all the
fate her and senator gillibrand, why is elizabeth warren -- >> you know i love all my colleagues. i want to be clear about that. but senator klobuchar has a strong royce from the heartland of the country. i think her demonstrated ability to win in red counties and blue counties and all the counties in between, i think they set her apart. >> coming up, we'll give kb live to the richard joins us next. jt -i call it my comfortable future plan.
united states, israel? >> there are some people who were successful in creating the war last time, but i think at the end of the day, some sense will prevail and people will find out that it's suicidal to engage in a war with iran. iran is different from other countries. you see, the united states is used to dealing with countries that rely on outside as their source of legitimacy, as their source of strength. if it's our peop it is our people that are the source of our strength. >> that was part of richard sharif on the sidelines, the 209 eunuch security conference in germany. so we sat down and discussed a
lot of subjects. iran has taken notice of the increasingly hostile tone that trump administration officials are talking about when they cuss iran that was specifically aimed at gathering international consensus against iran at that conference vice president, who is due here in munich, and when you get to the support for or confront iran, depending on which translation of the hebrew you use. so the iranians are certainly taking notice of this it rhetoric. just two weeks from now, president trump who likes this unorthodox style of diplomacy in two weeks will be meeting with
the chairman of north korea. so i asked the iranians, would they like to do something similar and have a diplomatic [ through consid breakthrough considering they are suffering so much from u.s. sanctions which were tightened after the u.s. pulled out of the new deal and he said, frankly, not really. >> president trump has said he's hoping to meeting one day with your president, the irani president, potentially to renegotiate the iran deal. >> why should we negotiate a deal which we spent not just a couple of hours meeting but 13 years to negotiate. and we negotiated with the united states. why should we trust president trump, that he would abide by his own signature? we're talking about a country that has withdrawn from every known treaty from, imf, if unionunion -- from unesco, from nafta.
you name it, they've withdrawn from it. >> so it came down to credibility. while they don't want to suffer under these sanctions, they don't think it would sit down, have a to the owe if you remember there was a bit of exclusive reporting that the trump administration has intensified its tab saj that iran has had two, not one but two unsuccessful missile launches and said they are investigating to see if they were, in fact, sabotaged and he said, quote, it's a possibility." >> nbc's richard engel, thank you very, very much for that report.
willie? >> but while the ground both si next guest said it still aims at failure. at the age of 17 chris wilson shot and killed one of two men that corn erred him, he was sentenced to 17 years behind bar. and he tells his story of the new book, "the master plan" and chris joins us now. it's great to meet you. thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> your story is incredible. i want to make sure people understand your life a little bit. you grew up in washington d.c. in the late '80s, early '90s, in the thick of the cocaine epidemic. >> yes. >> talk if you would, just a bit, chris, about the night that has shaped your life since.
>> i remember it was about 24 years ago, i was walking to the store and some men were following me and i remember them threatening me and surrounding me. and i had a gun on me. i was carrying a gun for protection. and i ended up taking a person's life that night. >> how old were you? >> i was 17. >> you also lost your father the same night. >> i lost my father two months after that, while i was in there. my father was killed while i was awaiting child. >> you were given life in prison without the possibility of patrol. >> i had the possibility of protoc parole, but in the state of maryland you don't get parol. >> i knew in my heart i was a good person. around the time i was sentenced, i want today prove to myself and the world that my life was redeemable. it was around this time i wrote up the master plan, and it was a pledge to turn my life around and do the same.
>> how did you convince a parol board that life in prison was not what you needed. >> i had to demonstrate it through my actions so first thing i did was educate myself, a high school diploma, college degree and went through therapy to prove my life was salvageable. >> what do you say to people when they ask you what the master plan is? what is that exactly? >> the master plan is about someone who thinks about how they want to be remembered when they're gone, what they want to do with their life, how they want to make the world a little better and the steps you do when you get there. >> one of the things you mentioned is you had to keep updating this master plan, it'ses a process. >> right. >> just to transition into one of the things we wanted to talk about today is the reform of criminal justice, we are in one step in our master plan perhaps what other steps do you see us
taking going forward? >> that's a good forward. even with the latest legislation that was passed, which is great but that was passed a at a federal level and most of the people that are suffering in the criminal justice system are on a state level. so i think there's a lot of work we have to implement, especially solitary confinement, men, women, and children are still being subjected to that on a state level and that's one issue we need to address. >> the u.s. leads in the world as the top jailer of their own people. and there's also a really just devastating racial divide in who's incarcerated. you have 1 in 87 white men are incarcerat incarcerated, 1 in 36 hiss panic men incarcerated and 1 in 12 black men are incarcerated. i wanted to ask you, what can we do in our community for the
young people like you who went through everything that -- who are going through something similar that you're going through. when you see them out in baltimore, you see young folks, what do you tell them? >> the first thing i try to do is operate and lead as a positive example. but some things you can do is vote. pay attention to legislation that people are trying to pass. call your local representatives. or just find someone in your community and pay some extra time and help and mentor them and showing them there's a better way to life, to live. >> there isn't just theoretical for you. you're living it. tell me about the bar clay investment corporation you started. >> i started a construction company out of frustration. many people who made mistakes 20 years ago employers wouldn't hire them. so i decided to start this contracting company and give men
and women the opportunity to work. >> good for you. and good for you writing this book, it's called "the master plan". chris wilson, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. coming up on "morning joe" we'll talk about the winners and the losers after amazon decides to do away with a headquarter in new york city. and president trump set to fly off to margot-la-go today after declaring a national energy. after months of wearing only a tiger costume,
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because it's not his thing. >> like so much in the trump administration, you have to pretend like history started at the 2016 election to believe much of anything he says. and even that, he plays around with. >> mike pence did the same thing when he was governor of indiana, shaking his head. i think he should, work, i think it's a weak president to -- you know, attacking barack obama. >> just a disappointment. >> for issuing presidential orders. this order goes so far beyond that. this is a direct violation of constitutional rights that our founders gave members of congress. what a way to start friday. >> happy friday, everybody. february 15th, national emergency day. along with joe, willy and me we have cohost and executive
producers of the circumstance cuss, john hileman. john deutche is here with us, and susan dell persio -- i think don was surprised i didn't make fun of me. >> we have john here as well. and joyce vance. there's so much to talk about. >> big day. >> i would like willie to start talking about the president's physical, but i guess we can get to that a little bit. >> we'll talk about his -- >> he's 199 runs a 4.75, 40. >> he's lying about his health. >> he's lying about his health. >> it's crazy. he can't stop lying. >> i know a guy who's 6'4" -- >> i do, too.
>> -- and weighs close to 240 pounds. he does not look like that. >> no. >> if he's fighting an obesity crisis, which he is, no doubt he's obese -- >> guys, it's not funny. it's dead serious. >> look up the stats. this guy is either obese or medically morbidly obese, and something he's obviously battling. i think he should talk about it with the american people. but you have to -- listen, i don't care if he weighs close to 300 pounds. that's something that he should talk about. mika you wrote a book about this. >> i did. we talk about america's fight with diet and obesity and food addiction. this is something that really connects the president with much of the country and the struggles that we face, and he should be honest about it.
it is a shame he has not taken this opportunity to not only connect with the american people but maybe do something like governor hickenlooper he lost weight and worked on creating a city that was healthier. the president clearly has a very big problem. it's very sad. >> he could be a leader here. >> yeah. >> speaking of leaders. donny, i'm curious what you think about certain people who are called leaders in new york city that, in the words of carolyn malone, who unfortunately her district was robbed of this amazon opportunity, but she talked about 25,000 good-paying jobs that were lost. she talked about massive infrastructure improvements that were lost. the fact that when somebody like amazon comes to your area that
that attracts other tech giants. the opportunities lost there are extraordinary for people, as andrew ross said, who don't understand basic economics, they think all that money in tax incentives if the jobs were brought and all the other great things happen in that area, he said there's a financial literacy epidemic in america. quick lesson, new york city wasn't handing cash to amazon. it was an incentive program based on job creation and how much tax revenue they created. there isn't $3 million that can now be spent. and unfortunately this project was killed by people who didn't understand that, and also who ignored over 80% of latinos in the new york area and 70% of black americans in the new york area, who needed these jobs who
wanted these jobs. end of the line, the people who wanted the jobs the least to come to the area were white elites in manhattan. >> who would have thought the day the president declares an emergency when there wasn't one that could be the second inane thing of the day. when you have alexandria ocasio-cortez, who i find extremely dangerous at this point, basically she has a twitter following, i hope she doesn't tweet who are you, donny, to basically come out and say what a great thing it is, we can take that money and give it to teachers. it doesn't exist. $27 billion, we put down 3. that's business. that's what happens. and you attach this to the green deal and you are handing president trump -- president trump now gets to go, the
democrats don't want jobs. the democrats don't want companies coming to your neighborhoods. the democrats have a green deal that wants a 70% tax rate, wants jobs for everybody, tuition handed to you, socialism. we are in a dangerous place and if people in the party don't start to speak up against people like alexandria ocasio-cortez, who is young and dynamic, but does not know what she's talking about, and her and her cohorts, some of these new fresh progressive faces are going to hand the presidency back to donald trump. i want everybody to understand that. >> you know, willie, this is something that i talked about yesterday at the top of the show about how a lot of our overreach, back when i first got into congress as a freshman in 1994, running against bill clinton helped bill clinton get elected two years later. the important thing to remember
here, though, is there are a lot of local politicians -- not a lot. but some local politicians in new york city also opposed to this deal. it's just aoc was the most vocal and was actually cheering. which i do find remarkable. cheering on twitter the loss of 25,000 high paying jobs that most of the people in her district and most of the people in new york wanted. >> yeah, 25,000 jobs promised as part of the deal by amazon. but obviously the ancillary jobs that flow out of that, businesses built around there, would be there some gentry few indication, of course there would have been if you have these jobs move in there, and that was part of the concern. but think about what comes out of that, the businesses built, and the people hired and the dry cleaners and restaurants and everything that flows out of 25,000 jobs coming in. susan, you've worked in new york
city politics for a long time. what's your view of this? did the progressives have a point in their protests about what amazon wanted out of the deal? >> no. the protests were to get on aoc's band wagon. once again she shows how little she understands not just economics but even unemployment. she's the one that said the reason unemployment is so low is because a lot of people have two jobs. she needs to learn basic things about what it is to be a representative. when you look at what happens in new york city and new york state, we are losing people in crazy. we are going to lose our influence in washington because we'll lose one to two congressional seats. now we're telling business don't come here. just because she has a progressive agenda, does not mean she has the city's best interest. what she showed me today is she only cares about herself and not
about her colleagues and the people she represents, because those people would be getting jobs as well. >> it's not just the jobs. it's also infrastructure improvement. that would make people's commute from her district and all around new york a bit easier. the commute is so long and difficult for so many working-class new yorkers it's a real problem. this is the sort of thing again -- this is the sort of thing that, again, i found when i first got to congress, younger members of congress, just didn't know what they didn't know. and i put myself on the top of that list. that's something you actually write about in your new book. >> yeah. which we just announced yesterday, i focussed on millennial women, women in their 20s and 30s. and that zeal, that joy, that energy, that new kind of thinking all great, but you still don't have the experience.
in this case, it's the political experience. it's the ham fistedness of that tweet. obviously the issue is complicated, obviously there was a lot of support for what she was talking about on the local level. it's always more complicated, but in politics it's clear, she needs to follow some of the more mature members, i would nancy pelosi would be a great example. but you don't know what you don't know and you're going to step in it if you're not careful. they have a few times. i watch aoc with a lot of hope but i'm also cringing because i would love to give her advice. >> you did. we've all stepped in it and we've all didn't know what we didn't know. and unfortunately this case did promise we're returning to the emergency. >> we are. we have to get to the big news of the day. >> but in this case that movement cost 25,000 high-paying
jobs that over 80% of latinos in new york wanted, 70% of blacks in new york wanted. again, even if the ultimate responsibility is not laid at her feet, you don't celebrate the loss of 25,000 jobs on twitter. >> and we haven't even dug deep yet on the government shutdown fight. the immediate fight may be over but a new standoff is just taking shape. how democrats plan to counter in the courts the president's emergency order. that's next on "morning joe".
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the white house confirmed the president will make the declaration under the 1976 law intended for moments of disasters and security threats. but president trump is using this one to reappropriate money for more new wall at the border just days after a congressional compromise on where barriers were needed. last night the house followed the senate in approving the border security deal. with 110 of the votes against coming from the republican side. the deal gives the president less than $1.4 billion for the wall. but at 10:00 a.m. this morning, an administration officials says the president will announce he has secured $8 billion for the wall with his national emergency declaration. it's hard to say because this is so unfathomable. trump gets the money appropriated by the border security compromise bill and adds 3.5 billion out of the
defense department's military construction budget. .5 billion out of dod's drug interdiction program and 600 million out of the treasury's drug forfeiture fund. the president will leave then for mar-a-lago. >> there were some like marco rubio and susan collins who expressed concern for this for good reason because after the next school shooting when there's a democrat as president, they'll call that a national emergency and gun rights will be taken away. or climate change, there'll be declared a national emergency and they'll have the science for that. so here we're looking mainly at mitch mcconnell, who has seemed to completely cave and collapse to the president.
seems to be supporting it. where does this end up? >> where i think it ends up is with a legal challenge that strikes it down. my guess is that's mitch mcconnell's end game here. mcconnell has done two things, he basically stood up to the president on one side saying we're going to pass this thing, the time has come we're not going to shutdown the government again. we're going to pass a bill. we're going to make a law and you're going to eat it. in that sense, senator mcconnell reflecting the will of his members and their political calculations was able to have some self-interested backbone. on the question of the emergency declaration, his view like many people's view, is this is going to end up in court and likely get struck down. even though from mcconnell's point of view, let trump have his victory here, declaring that he's going to have a national emergency when he knows it's not going to go into effect
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society associate editor of the washington post, eugene column you have a new column entitled "we have a national emergency, its name is donald trump" you write, the president's decision to declare an emergency to pretend to build an unbuildable border wall is not only an act of vandalism, it's also cowardice.
it's an end run around congress and as such constitutes a violence of his oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution of the united states, which gives congress, not the president, the authority to decide how public money is spent. it does not give trump the right to fund projects will not approve. authoritarian leaders do that sort of thing. the puffed up men living in the white house now want to give it a try. i'll pop in there, everyone is so shocked that there might have been a conversation about the 25th amendment, i don't understand why a conversation at this point isn't on the table as a -- just a conversation. >> you can have your conversation all you want. >> i think it's fair to have. >> you know what, we can also talk about the red sox and why i should be batting cleanup this year. >> but a lot of people think that he is driven by perhaps
some issues that impact the presidency and make the american people unsafe and, therefore, they discussed the 25th amendment. why is that bad? >> like i said -- >> i brought it up, it was a no go. >> it is america. if you want to talk about the 25th amendment, you can. but donald trump, a lot of really sport progressi really smart progressives i know say the way to beat donald trump is to beat him at the ballot box and send a message to future generations if you run the white house this way, you are going to get trounced. gene, the president, of course, is talking about declaring this national emergency. even ann coulter is saying now. she still turned on him and said, you can't declare a national emergency for a bill that you sign and you declare a national emergency to overturn
some things that you signed into law 24 hours before. it's over. >> she's really not having it. she wants him not to sign this bill. and he is going to sign the bill, apparently, although it's early. watch the twitter feed. but assuming that he does, you know, she's -- she's going to have a fit of pique, i think the rest of his chorus, sean hannity and probably limbaugh i think will go along with this and pretend that he's going to be able to build the wall with this emergency declaration, which i don't think he's going to be able to do. i think it is going to be challenged, probably in court, probably with a resolution of disapproval that would organize nate in the house and have to be voted on in the senate, and tied up for years. and as you said earlier, he'll
claim that he's being stopped from defending you against these rapists and ms-13 members by the liberal courts and the democrats and that will be his big theme in the campaign. >> and john, i'm curious what your thoughts are about the trajectory of donald trump's political fortunes over the past couple weeks. two, three weeks ago, i would have put his chances of getting re-elected at maybe 10%, maybe 15%. you don't get re-elected when you bounce between 35 and 40%, 41, 42%. you just don't. but i must say you look at the performance of some democrats on capitol hill in virginia, you look at the blackface scandal in virginia and the democrats inability to handle that, the
anti-semantic remarks on capitol hill, democrats came out against it, i get it. but now you look at staten island -- not staten island, you look at long island city, queens, you look at all of this, and suddenly you look at new york state legislature applauding late term abortion bills, and suddenly, you have given donald trump, and more specifically, stephen miller, their closing argument that would make them competitive in 2020 if the democrats keep acting this way. >> right. i think as donny said at the beginning of the show, we see a road map in the amazon cancellation on long island city, which as you say, the left wing democrats cost 25,000 jobs in new york city, and now extrapolate that from the 8 million in new york to the 300 million in the country, these are the jobs they're going to kill if you get them re-elected.
i think for trump -- you see a huge missed opportunity for trump. he goes down to 35 during the shutdown. the shutdown is over, all the polls have him going up 6 to 7 points, he's back at 42, 43. you read that and say maybe he shouldn't have listened to rush limbaugh and ann coulter on the shutdowns. if he listens to them, he's in the 30s. if he doesn't listen to them he's in the 40s. and he could have used that wisdom to say i'm signing this bill, we're going to fight for this wall, we're not stopping. i'm going to mention it every day. but going back, even though she hates the bill and hates that he signed it and said it's over and all of that, but continuing this fight with the national emergency keeps the conflict between trump and the hill going. it makes him look divisive and he needs to start building up from 42 to 47, 48 if he's going to win the presidency.
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i do not believe the president of the united states should use his executive authority to overturn american law concerning immigration. the american people just sent a message to washington d.c. about a change of direction. >> the president of the united states has the absolute authority, under the constitution and by statute to declare a national emergency. and reposition resources. >> you know, it really is sad for me, you know, i've known mike for a long time and it's really sad that he shamed himself the way he has. really he's just turned himself into a mouthpiece --
>> he's soiling his reputation. >> -- for propaganda. to see him humiliate himself that way like he does all the time, it's really sad. he actually said, mika, that what barack obama did in these executive orders was actually -- i wrote it down last time he said it. it's outside the consent of the governed. outside the consent of the governed. here you have donald trump doing things that only a small portion of the governed want done -- >> yeah. >> -- and that's why the negotiations went so badly for him in congress. and now he's actually not trying to do what barack obama did. he's actually trying to go beyond that and do what harry truman did, which is to seize private property because a, quote, national emergency except his problem is for harry truman, he did that in the middle of a
war and the supreme court said it was unconstitutional. donald trump is trying to do this when actually the border situation is at its best -- >> i know. >> -- that it's been in 50 years. there's no way the courts are going to uphold this. he knows that. >> he must. >> he knows that. this is a fig leaf so talk radio people -- >> remember he and his wife came to the studio and they were talking, they're always together, sort of like us, she says they talk about everything. what is she saying to him? honey, you are lying. this is you then and this is you now. and that's two different people. >> there have been reports -- who knows. >> i'm trying to think of how that conversation goes, because that conversation is happening. >> you know what, i just -- i don't -- i don't understand it, and it's very sad. that, of course, was the change in vice president mike pence before, when barack obama was
president and then after when he started to work -- >> he took the loyalty oath. >> -- for donald trump. >> joining us national security reporter for nbc news, julia ainsley and at the london school of economics, author, brian clasp. julia, start with you. take us behind the scenes to the thought process that got us to today's big announcement. >> mika, it goes back to the shutdown. there were many plans the president was briefed on. we reported in january about a plan using army corp. of engineer funding, funding for projects for disaster relief in california, wildfires, and hurricanes in puerto rico. what came of this there was so much blow back from the disaster relief plan, they started honing in on other areas. we understand there are about $21 billion in unobligated funds
the president would be able to use through a national emergency without going to congress. it seemed until the last minute there wasn't a decision made. there are a lot of people at dhs asking the president to pull back. some of his senior administration officials saying this is going to head to the courts. we can see push back, see people using the same playbook that republicans used to stop daca saying that was an overreach of executive order. people told the president perhaps he should sign this bill, he's getting 55 miles of new barrier. but in the end i think he caved not to his advisers not to nancy pelosi, but to the people you pointed out before, the conservative commentators that can get under his skin, and that's what drove his decision.
>> unbelievable. brian, i was struck yesterday after hearing mike pence and donald trump talk out of both sides of their mouth, attacking barack obama for doing something far less intrusive and undemocratic than what they're now doing. and a tweet by garry kasparov stood out, the propaganda is not only to push an agenda it's to exhaust critical thinking to annihilate truth. we see it every day with donald trump and we see it now in the declaration of a national emergency. >> we need to be clear about this. this is an authoritarian power grab or attempt by one, by a president who has had authoritarian impulses since the day he took office. a president that attacks the
president, violates ethics rules, calls to jail his opponents, firhires his family friends, violating the constitution in order to build a vanity project. i think the real danger is even if this gets blocked in the courts it's creating a culture in which republicans are happy to discard the constitution and political checks. that is what i'm afraid is going to lead to us being dragged closer to banana republic with the help of banana republicans. >> julie, it's john hileman here, the reporting that you're doing now, the decisions that need to get made here, lay out what the opposing, what the varying points of view are on this within donald trump's council, advisers, how they
think about the cost and benefits of what they might or might not do over the course of the next 12 hours? >> i think as we know, there are a lot of people part of that loyalty oath who have been scrambling to come up with different options. as i heard yesterday right at this time this decision was made is there could be six or seven different pots that could be chosen more of a backlash than others. i think right now the one furthest from political reality would be able to take from the disaster relief. think about how that would affect republicans in california if they had to say money was taken from wildfire relief. so i think that one has been tabled. they're trying to find funds that were put in a pot for construction and a lot of that is from the defense budget, of course, but they haven't been promised. they're kind of in this limbo, so they think they can pull from that. but really from a legal perspective, the chance of being
enjoined is high. understand there have been a lot of drafts about what the president can say today. some have been torn up and tried over and over again. we'll see exactly where he walks this line at 10:00 a.m. from what we know, there has been some disagreement and then there have been people who are more candid about that disagreement i think behind closed doors and maybe not at a table with the president going over these options. >> joe, i have a question. we all talk about how donald trump is so affected by ann coulter and sean hannity and laura ingram. they're basically performance artists, i like when i see sean he's a nice guy. but where does he think his base is going? ann consuulter tweets? she doesn't have a television show. i don't understand why he has this fear against these people at the end of the day have no claim on what he's going to be able to do or not do?
>> for me this remains the central mystery of donald trump's presidency. the central mystery, even more than the putin relationship. and it is why donald trump has chosen to limit himself to a 33% base. the hardest -- the hardest right and the conspiratorial right, the talk radio right. and i haven't understood that because his supporters would stay with him as he moved, not to the middle, but if he just took traditionally conservative positions, if he didn't make up crises at the border, if he supported free trade, if he supported balanced budgets. if he supported a strong stance against russia, if he supported fighting against iranian expansion and isis expansion and russian expansion in syria.
like if he did all of those traditionally conservative things, well, he would be even more popular. so it is a fear, but i think, susan, the fear comes from the fact that he -- and i'm not saying this -- i'm not being glib. he's not a conservative. he's a life-long democrat. he has supported democrats through his mid-60s, gave them hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in political contributions. always supported democratic candidates. and he just thinks this is what you have to do if if you're going to play the role of a republican. >> right. and because the president has no core values, he's also now proven that he's basically a simpleton when it comes to governan governance. i don't think he's gotten beyond schoolhouse rock in understanding how things get done. and the only lens he can look at it through is a political lens.
that's really what's so frightening about what he's trying to do now is that he's not saying this is a policy i believe in. he's trying to do something to help him with his political base. yes, all elected officials worry about, you know, their voters. but the way that the president is doing this, he almost doesn't care because if it goes to the courts he's fine with that. he'll say, look, i tried. you need to re-elect me so i can get it done. that's the most disgusting part. i'm interested to see what republicans stood up to him. i remember mitt romney wrote he's going to stand up to the president when he's not right. i'm curious to see what mitt romney does today. >> it's important for mitt romney to stand up and speak out against this manufactured emergency. it's going to be turned over in the courts.
we saw marco rubio appear to speak out, susan collins speak out, good for them. i would expect the freedom caucus, if they're about the constitution to speak out against this, because this is such a constitutional violation. brian, i really don't think they have any other option. and since we're pretty sure the courts are going to overturn this phony emergency crisis, what is, brian, the long-term impact on not only the trump presidency but on democracy? >> i think you have a series of impacts that are going to last for a long time. first off there is the normalization of authoritarian style behavior in the republican party. voters are demanding this. you have people cheerleading president trump for doing the national emergency for you as you wering -- usurping checks
and balances. and we have the risk this comes back when the democrats are in power. some democrats might be excited by that idea but it's a breakdown of norms. it's a vicious circle where every president chips away at the institutions that are a bedrock for democracy. even if he floats this, gets blocked, it still does damage. it creates the normsizatializat authoritarian practices in the u.s. >> thank you so much. julia and brian, thank you. brian, the twins are looking good this year. >> i'm hopeful. pitchers and catchers just started. >> hearing good things about their pickup off season. should be interesting. just in this hour, president trump could soon be getting an official republican primary challenger. former massachusetts governor bill weld is in new hampshire where he is launching a
presidential explore toy committee. he was the vice president nominee in 2016 but switched back to the gop last month as he moves towards challenging trump. >> john hileman, what do you think? >> i think it's a super interesting thing on its own. i think bill weld obviously is a guy who's had considerable political success. i wouldn't necessarily think he's a man for donald trump's republican party. this is a party much more populist. he's a classic brohmine character. when the history is written, is bill weld the crack in the dam? is he the first republican who steps forward and says, yes, donald trump is challengeable from within the party and does
this give courage to other republicans, whether they be john kasich or larry hogan or others who have it in mind right now they might want to take trump on in the republican the republican primary, they see bill weld and think, welling look, it looks like the waters may be warm enough to dive in. coming up, our producers apparently think we need a little extra help. they brought in someone to speak english. the so-called guardian of grammar joins us next on "morning joe." next up, wig ham wealth." >> i won, i won. >> no. it means you're failing english. >> me failing english? that's impossible. glish. >> me failing english? that's impossible. not cool. freezing away fat cells with coolsculpting? now that's cool! coolsculpting safely freezes and removes fat cells with little or no downtime
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president trump says he has the best words. whether or not that's true, our next guest says most people don't or they don't use them properly. joining us is benjamin dreyer. "the new york times" calls him "the guardian" of grammar who wants to help you be a better writer. he says he sees language the way an epicure sees food and he finds sloppiness everywhere he looks. benjamin, good morning. there's immense pressure, grammatical pressure.
we've all composed ourselves and hope we don't screw up in front of you. how are we doing so far? >> so far, so good. >> he's mostly the one who was speaking and has a prompt ter. >> that's unfair. i've been crafted for hours. what do you do for a living? >> what i do for a living and do every day is try to help writers make their work the best possible version of itself that it can be. i think one thing that's important to note particularly as we're sitting here talking is that i don't -- well, i don't blees anything, but i certainly don't police speech. if i'm going to stop and count up the times i'm going to say very in the next 20 minutes, this conversation is going to grind to a halt. >> you have a list of words you could would. very, rather, really, sort.
what's wrong with those words? >> they're packing peanuts. i don't detest the word "very." i certainly write it and lord knows i speak it but it encases a word that weakens it. if you want to say somebody is brilliant, say they're brilliant. if you say very brilliant, you're pleading. say the word, mean it, and go on to the next word. >> joe has one for you. joe. >> i like it. >> what's the most troubling trend, ben, in the world of grammar? what do you think? >> i don't really see troubling trends in grammar or writing. we speak in different -- >> oh, i do. >> we speak in different languages in different places. we speak one way on twitter, texting, and when we write. when we write, it has a different tone.
writing has hundreds of different tones depending who the brighter is and who the audience is. >> you don't see tags saying social media or smartphones dumbing us down when it comes to grammar. >> no. i think if anything they're making our language more vibrant and more fun, and i think words should be more fun. >> as for someone who has a 20-year-old and 11-year-old, boy, i beg to differ. i mean call it fun, but just basic spelling and grammar is gone. the word y-o-u is not "you." it's "u." it's a whole different world. >> i see writing that's intended for publication. i can't really speak to how teenagers write because i don't know a lot of teenagers.
>> one thing i wonder -- and donny just touched on it. when you're in school, you don't need to learn how to spell, for example. it's true. everyone has a compute e so they don't check your spelling. grammar is on autocorrect. how much does that affect the way we actually know how to use our words? >> i think it's important to know how to spell. maybe that's because i take pride in all the little gold stars i would get when i took spelling tests. >> i didn't get those. >> i do have a section in the book -- of course, we all have spell check and have it turned on. i do think it's important to know how to spell and how to punctuate. there are sections about words you're not spelling correctly that it would be nice if you did. >> by the way, for the record, i have two grammar children kid, and they're still drilling it into them. >> i have two questions. how do you feel about adverbs?
>> i love them. >> there are a lot of people in your business who don't like adverbs. >> i have a big honking adverb in my title. >> and you like emojis. >> i love emojis. >> this gra marian says it's all good. >> you sent him hearts and you know it. >> the monocle. >> ben, you say the semicolon is under appreciated. why? >> i think semicolons are snobbish. i love semicolons. they do a wonderful job of holding together two complete thoughts that shouldn't be separated by a peared yriod and shouldn't be separated by a comma. >> oxford.
>> of course. >> thank you. >> correct answer. >> dreyer's english. >> why don't we lob it to donny deutsch. >> oh, wow. >> five seconds. >> how bad of a week was it for democrats? >> it was as bad as it gets, but the good news is the yankees are 6-1 favorites to win the world series. joe, i know you like to hear that because basically that means you're underselling the red sox. >> oh, boy. here we go. don't start. and you guys don't start a fight there. it was a great week. everyone have a great weekend. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. good morning, stephanie. >> thanks. president trump is