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do it to everyone. there is my friend elon tesla. it's steven movies. my buddy paul crimes. >> that's it for me. i'm katyture in washington. 3:00 p.m. ali picks things up. >> very a great rest of your operation. operation varsity blues. that's a code name into the largest college admissions scam ever prosecuted. the $25 million scheme with 33 wealthy parents to pay to make sure their children were admitted to elite colleges. we are talking about deception and fraud. >> the real victims are the hardworking student who is did everything they could to set themselves up for success in the college admissions process and ended up being shutout because far less qualified students and their families simply bought their way in.
>> there can be no separate college admissions system for the wealthy and i will add there will not be a separate criminal justice system either. >> earlier the accused mastermind, william singer appeared in court to complete guilty. the team all stems from singer and the for profit business called the key that he founded. as court documents indicated, the purpose of this experience was to facilitate cheating on college entrance exams to facilitate admission to elite universities as athletes regardless of their ability. lori laughlin and felicity huffman upper charged. there could be more charges coming. and steve patterson who was at
the university of southern california in los angeles where both daughters of actress lori laughlin were accepted. >> 50 people in total have been charged in this, ali. it's an investigation that is important to note that the head of the field office in boston as well as the u.s. attorney noted that this is an ongoing investigation. it remains to be seen whether or not we will see more people charged. 50 people have been charged and the two actresses that you sent me, lori laughlin traveling out of the country and expected to surrender at some date. felicity huffman is already in federal custody according to my colleague. that's where the two more high profile names are. as you were talking about it and we heard from the field office, he said this is a shame that
strikes at the core of college admissions. this case originated out of practices that may have occurred from boston university and north eastern. that's why you have the case out of boston. you have a situation where they work with this person named singer. to either put together packages where a student looked like a high profile up and coming athlete that should get recruited. >> they posed for photos. >> faked photoed the parents found off the internet and they would pay for the student. a lot of students get this. the sat tests for an unlimited amount of times essentially or with no time limit and they do it for perfectly legitimate reasons, however in this particular case they shocked certain administrators bribed to allow them to take the test for as long as they were able to.
that goes beyond conduct that is appropriate or correct or legal in this case. we know all around the country, a couple of people were arrest and about to be propertied and people in houston in the same situation in california and boston. at this point the investigation remains ongoing and still is an active case. 50 people charged. this is significant. >> there is somebody charged at the university of southern california. the universities have been left out of this insofar as the government is saying they were not party schemes or privy. you got the exception there. >> yeah. they said they have not been coconspirators and charged in any way in this case. the admissions were part of the administration in the athletic department named with the head water polo coach and another coach from ucla. both felicity huffman and lori
lock lynn. they said their daughters were athletic recruits even though there was no evidence they had any interest. it wassan academic scam that said they had more proctors and having time to compete in the entrance exams. she it more than twice the amount of time to take her sat and sitting at home with proctors to help her along the way with that. the usc college administration has released the statement that is strong against this. they said we understand that the government believes the illegal activity was carried out by individual who is went to great lengths to conceal their actions
from the university. usc is conducting an internal investigation and will take employment action as appropriate. usc is in the process of identifying funds received by the university in connection with the alleged scheme. additionally the university is reviewing admissions processes broadly to ensure that such actions do not occur going forward. it's spring break on campus and we are obviously trying to talk to students to get their reaction to what happened, but it's quiet here. coincidentally, most is college tours up and down usc as students themselves are working hard to getting admitted. >> steve is on the usc campus. we will continue to follow it. joining me now is wisconsin senator tammy baldwin, member of the health pensions committee. we don't talk about this, but this is indicative of a system
that allows this sort of thing to happen. in other words, there are lots of problems with how people get admitted, but the fact that they can doctor photos that coaches have free tickets to get people into university who are not qualified and people can pay for their way in. this does need to be addressed. >> it certainly does. the story broke when i was in a hearing in the education committee, especially focused on student financial aid and the affordability of college and most low income students have the greatest difficulty going through the application for financial aid. this story breaks. we are in the middle of trying to reauthorize the higher education act. we have to focus on this and i remember in the past hearing
stories about the favor parents can buy if they give just a huge donation to the school. this is cheating and as your story indicated, the biggest victims are those who don't get a place because somebody else cheated to get in. >> it's hard for the victims to sue. you never know you were the next person on the list because somebody paid somebody off. we almost have to eliminate the perverse incentives that allow this to happen. >> yes and i have to give my hats off to the fbi in this case because i can't imagine it was easy to unravel all the details as they have. it's important for us to learn from what they have learned in order to put forward appropriate policies. >> senator, you were talking about work thaw otherwise think has to be done to make college more accessible. all of these things have the
same smell to them and that it is hard to get in on your own steam if you are up against people who have other angles. >> that and as well as the fact that if you are the first in your family to have the opportunity to go to college. you don't necessarily have the backing or the information you need to understand that it's not just as simple and straight forward as studying hard throughout high school and working your hardest. it's also about figuring out how to pay for it. for lower income and lower middle income families, it is not only sometimes a challenge to get into school, but a challenge to figure out the financial aid system. we have currently a system that our hearing brought out today that further disadvantages low income students in their verification of income
processes. we're spending all this time burdening very low-income families with show us proof of this and proof of that. not obviously looking closely enough at those who are gaming the system at upper income levels. that is wrong. education and higher education is about opportunity to succeed and reach your goals and flourish. that cannot be reserved for only the wealthy in our society. >> i want to ask you about a push you are making. the goal is to advance the civil rights act to ban discrimination in employment, housing, education, federal programs, and credit on the basis of sex, sexual orientation and gender identity. where are you with this? >> we are introducing the measure tomorrow.
we are doing a joint introduction with members of the house. the bottom line is that 29 states in america do not have full and comprehensive protections against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and is gender identity or expression or sex. we need to address that because while many have celebrated the advancements we have seen, especially with marriage equality, the job is not done and we have a long way to go to ensure that individuals won't be fired from a job, for example, or lose their housing on the basis of who they are or who they love rather than focusing on the ability to perform the job. it happens too often in america. we want to see progress moving forward, not as we have seen in this administration, things being rolled back.
>> 28 states have no anti-discrimination protections for people who identify as lgbtq. thank you for joining us. senator tammy baldwin. this scandal is political with the reaction to nancy pelosi's commends on impeachment and president trump. in an interview, pelosi said impeachment is so divicive to the country that unless there is something so compelling and bipartisan, i don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country and he's not worth it. this may be a political division for democrats into 2020. it changes away from impeachment and gives at risk dems the shield when asking the i word question and places the burden on republicans. >> nobody wants to see president trump impeached other than democrats who are failing and have no other messages because
our country is doing better and they know that is hard for them to run against in 2020. they have a very, very hard uphill battle ahead of them. >> nbc's correspondent, kasie hunt. is nancy pelosi testing things to see how far it goes with the party? what's the reaction? >> i think the reality is this is basically where nancy pelosi has stood for quite sometime. she was a little bit more explicit in this interview. she has always and very carefully guided her party through the 2018 election around this issue because they remember the experience that republicans had in 1998 when they did go through with an impeachment of president clinton that didn't remove him from office and saw a backlash against them. she views this as a potential
risk for her own party. you have to remember that while many of the most vocal freshmen members of congress, alexandria ocasio-cortez, talib, impeach the m f'er, those may be the loudest voices, but others were elected from moderate districts who are at risk of losing their seats if in fact republican who is are angry that the democrats may be going down this road show up and vote for president trump instead. that's the landscape that she is looking at here. i do think it's interesting. you have seen dissent in the ranks for sure. the younger more progressive members and the chair men who are charged with focusing on this. they have been more red cent in
their own remarks. that's one aspect, but kevin mccarthy called it a smart move and i asked leader mcconnell said was i agree. >> kasie hunt for us on capitol hill. the congress has the power to impeach for treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors. let's remind ourselves how it works. it starts in the house which draws up the articles of impe h impeachme impeachment. it's a document detailing the alleged crimes. only the house can bring charges against a president. any individual member of congress can start that process. next, the house votes. a simple majority is all that's needed to improve the impeachment and democrats have
the majority. once the house improves the articles of impeachment, the whole thing goes to the senate that holds a trial. two 30s or 67 members need to vote to impeach. where things stand now, 20 republicans would have to vote to impeach if all democrats did. if that happened, the president would likely be removed from office and the vice president would take his place. we have never gotten to this. the senate acquitted andrew johnson and bill clinton and richard nixon resigned. one person said impeachment is a test and said shall america just stop fighting for principles and do what is politically convenient? tom steyer is from next jen america. you found yourself in the news a
lot. you don't think nancy pelosi's take is correct. why? >> ali, i believe that the people who have the power in this situation are the entire american people. i believe that they have a right to the evidence against our most lawless president and have a right to the truth. we have been pushing for the last year and a half and have 7.5 million people signed our petition saying we need to hold this president to account. we need to do what's right and the american people have the right to get the truth and to make up their own minds based on that truth. >> let's take a look at a poll that came out between march 3rd to 6th and talks about the issues that talk us goers want to talk a lot about. health care talks a lot about the list. climate change is close to your heart and immigration and race
relations and student debt. we have to go down to impeachment which is about 22%. is there a concern that talk of impeachment displaces talk of guns and climate change and health care? >> i believe that this president is the biggest crisis for america in a generation. i believe that when people get a chance through hearings like the hearing with mr. cohen in front of the house oversight committee, americans will be glued to their tv sets. they will in fact see with their own eyes directly how lawless this president is and insist he be removed from office. they have to have public hearings to see it on tv and make up their own minds. >> do you think that over the course of the next two years until the 2020 elections, do you not think democrats can be more effective in doing whatever has to be done to elect a democratic
president than the effort that i just outlined which you know well that leads to impeachment including 20 republicans. i asked you to remember richard nixon. things changed drastically around nixon to make him understand that nixon was an albatross around the republicans's neck. that's not happening here. >> we haven't had hearings. nixon underwent the series of hearings that everyone watched. this is not just about getting rid of donald trump which is the way you posed the question. we can get rid of him this way or this way. that's not what this is about. we have a president who has broken the law repeatedly and gone against the constitution on a daily basis and puts the system at risk and if you don't stand up for systems and the rule of law. if you don't stand up for the
constitution, you are saying those are advanced. the precedent is that the president can break the law every day and it doesn't matter. >> would it make a difference as soon as donald trump gets charged with serious crimes and possibly arrest and walked out with handcuffs. would that feel like justice? >> absolutely not. we have here a constitutional oversight task that is directly given to congress to make sure to protect our sz itself and delegate that to the justice system after he has been president means that in fact they decided not to uphold the constitution and they decided to put the american people and our safety at risk. in fact when people say there is one way to get rid of him or another, you are making a
decision. nancy said in her statement in the "washington post," we know he's unfit for office. we know he has broken the law. all of those things we decided in washington, d.c. that in fact we are not going to do anything about it because it's politically difficult. unless republicans give us permission, we are going to sit on our hands and let him go unaccountable. >> always appreciate it. thank you, sir. >> nice to talk to you. >> breaking news from washington. the senate will vote on thursday on a resolution to terminate president trump's declaration of a national engineer to build a wall along the border with mexico. if all 47 democrats join the four republican who is said they would vote for it, there will be enough to pass the senate. the vote comes on the same day
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looking at live pictures of the british parliament and teresa may who is speaking. she largely lost her voice. parliament rejected again her brexit deal in a major blow to her eu divorce plans. let's listen in. >> the eu wants to know what you need to make such an extension and this house will have to answer is that question. does it wish to revoke article 50 or does it want to hold a second referendum? >> yes! >> no! >> does it want to leave with a deal, but not this deal? these are unenviable choices that the house has made. they are choices that must now be faced.
>> jeremy corbin will speak and this is what teresa may has said. they will have to make serious decisions about what happens next. with me now, nbc news's bill nealey is outside parliament for the intercept and host of the deconstruct podcast. bill, a couple of hours ago you talked and predicted it would go down to defeat. you heard the responses when teresa may stated the options that are left. what does it look like to you? >> well, wasn't that interesting and significant? teresa may's voice barely able to communicate and not getting her message across very clearly. i'm afraid that's the lesson of her leadership. she just lost again by historic
proportions. last time she lost by 230 votes and this time by 147. 391 lawmakers voting against the deal negotiated with the european union. she is clinging on not just to her voice, but to power. the next step is another vote tomorrow night on whether or not britain should crash out of the european union without a deal on march 29th, but once again there will be a huge majority in the house of commons that will say no, we must not crash out, leading to a third on thursday. on asking the european union if that date of march 29th when britain leaves can be delayed. it is entirely up to the union
and 27 remaining members whether it said yes or no to britain. >> teresa may seems to be of the view that the european union has no good union. they want a good reason as to why to extend. preparations are under way for a no deal brexit that involves the government declaring the incident. they have been stockpiling inside or ingredients. this is a serious issue. what happens next in your opinion? >> madness. one of the richest countries in the history of the world stockpiling medicines and talking about delays for a no deal brexit. to be clear, this is going on for two years. two years ago, they invoekd article 50 to get out after they
won. two years later, we are 17 days away from friday night britain crashing without a deal. this is crazy. there is nothing like it in my life 5. europe has been tearing it apart for decades. teresa may called an election to help and lost her majority. she lost the senior minsters along the way. in january she lost by the biggest margin in modern democratic history trying to get the deal passed. now plan b. lost again. i don't think anyone has a plan c. >> is there a solution and we can all agree her leadership has not solved this problem. what is the solution? who can solve this problem? we are 17 days out. what can happen that is not a
bad ending. >> something that there are a lot of brits who think they will do something. we are talking about extending until may. there are european elections before may. i understand what it really does. all it does is carry on arguing for another two months. as long as there is no solution that is acceptable and the party divisions and northern ireland which caused the recent problems and this resolution. i don't see how it gets resolved. >> all those other matters, britain probably can get the medicine it needs and overtime
and it's not part of the united kingdom. northern ireland is part of the united kingdom and leaves along with britain. this is the part of the deal that many are worried because of potential for tension and violence. >> i'm from northern ireland and was there recently and people are deeply worried. a lot of that violence was centered along the border whether a british army check points and helicopters going back and forth and many were closed off. after the good friday geamt that brought peace, people do not
want to go back. this is not just about the constitutional position. it's a matter of life and death. there's deeply serious issues and just to back up what many said, the problem in the building behind me is there are lots of ideas and no kbreaagree. none of the solutions and none of the options being tossed out in the last 2.5 years commands a majority. nobody knows what is going to happ happen. is there going to be a general election or will teresa may be forced by the men in gray suits to say your time is up and you need a new leader. the country is divided and to
give you an idea, two of the four nations of the united kingdom voted to remain and two voted to leave. 48% of the population voted to remain and 52% to leave. this is a deeply divided united kingdom. >> gentlemen, thank you for your analysis and there is another vote scheduled for tomorrow on a no deal crash out brexit. we will continue to follow that closely. laid out by president trump. >> to your knowledge, did the president provide inflated assets to a bank to help him obtain a loan? >> these documents and others were provided to deutsch bank
and in our attempt to obtain money to put a bid on the buffalo bills. >> one source told nbc news the new york attorney general's office issued subpoenas to deutsch bank and investors bank into that and other trump organizations. we remain with the investigations. alan smith is following this closely. al alan, let's back up.
that's beginning in the late 90s and recovering from being in a failed financial standing. they worked a lot with them. the subpoenas are focused and the main property in chicago and trump doral in florida and trump hotel in d.c. that is being subpoenaed for deutsch bank including his attempted purchase of the buffalo bills in 2014. >> what's the high level allegation that investors are trying to figure out. what was done that was improper. >> as cohen testified, he said trump deflated the value on information he submitted to the banks. he hopes to get loans or money. and the civil inquiry can't lead to charges. there would have to be a
referral. this is about investigations carried out by the attorney general's office on a civil level. it can lead to dissolution of a business. the powers that new york attorney general can have in investigating the fraud and action. >> the new york attorney general ran on a campaign that involved looking into all of trump's activities and the campaign and organization and the foundation and the charities. >> after she won the election, leticia james said she would deeply use every area of the law to investigate the president, his business and family members and trump had responded to that comment saying she ran a get trump agenda and this was not a real system of justice that was investigating him.
and barbara underwood. that office with the president's now defunction education raid right around the time he became president. >> thank you for your reporting on this. nbc.com. up next, despite boeing leadership expressing absolute confidence, pressure sorry to ground all jets like the that crashed in ethiopia. that crashed in ethiopia. ver wanted . drive. to hit start and just go. fast and far. around town and around hairpins. to leave everyone in the dust, and leave rubber on the road. because mini was born to drive. drive for yourself at the mini born to drive sales event. special offers at your local mini dealer.
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i think the big question here is was the ethiopian crash caused by the same problem that caused the lion air crash in october? we don't know that yet. i'll admit things are pointing in that direction. certain countries and certain carriers acted out of an abundance of caution and grounded or restricted the airplane. it may just be a matter of time before before u.s. and canada follow suit. everybody asks why haven't they done it already and is this plane safe right now. i think the answer to that, the thinking there as far as i can tell is that 737 max pilots everywhere are acutely aware of this potential problem and very focused on it. this problem, should it occur,
should be easily solved by the flight. the situation can be overridden. >> i will take this out of jeff weiss's article. in order to accommodate the larger diameter, this affected the way the plane handled and most alarm building, it pitched up which could result in a dangerous aerodynamic stall. the system pitched the nose down if it looked like it was getting too high. according to a preliminary report this system led to the lion air crash. that's the sensor that is nose high and the pilot has to compensate for that or disconnect it and fly the plane by hand. >> yeah. in the lion air case, the pilots lost the ability to maintain
level flight, but that system is or should be overridden by virtue of throwing a couple of switches. pilots are primed. >> you don't think there is any issue with flying them? >> i'm not saying that. why didn't they do what they were supposed to do and disconnect the system. that's a dig question here and maybe they were overwhelmed by a cascade of failures and warnings and messages and didn't recognize that that was the problem or maybe it was something else cleompletely different. the grounds of new aircraft is unusual, but not unprecedented when you go back to the d.c. 10 that had a serious defect with the cargo doors when it was new.
>> it can happen. it can happen, but statistically air travel has never been safer. >> which is why people want to keep that record going. thank you for your input. patrick smith with ask the pilot cannot com. high profile democrats could jump into the presidential race. stacey abrams was asked about her 2020 plans. >> let's play a quick game. i will give you a year and you give me the job and task. >> i am really old, so, go ahead. >> 2020. >> you think you're clever. my task is to make sure a
democratic is elected and democratic majority in senate and congress. >> stacey abrams said 2020 is on the table. beto o'rourke is supporting a candidate for the state senate. the trip is adding to him joining the presidential race before the end of the month. former vice president joe biden spoke to the union of firefighters in washington. here's how he was received. >> thank you, thank you. i appreciate the energy you are s showing. save it a little longer. i may need it in a few weeks. >> speak of 2020. climate change is a big issue. president trump brought it back
to the forefront and retweeted a quote from a fox and friends guest who denied climate change was caused by humans or is a threat. >> the whole climate crisis is not only fake news, but fake science. there is no climate crisis. there is weather and climate all around the world. in fact carbon dioxide is the building block of all life. that's where the carbon comes from. on land and in the sea. >> all right, a lot of bad information floating around. i want to correct it. the comments were made by a former green peace president. fox identified him as a cofounder and green peace usa tweeted that is not the case. the organization said he was a paid lobbyist for the mining and nuclear energy industries. he said this is the main building block of all life.
he is confusing carbon with carbon dioxide. carbon is a building block of and carbon dioxide is a gas by burning coil, oil, and other fossil pamphlet on it would know that. so a guy who spent his life dealing with climate and the environment should definitely know that. like moore, president trump has questioned the science of climate change. and his misleading claims contradict the findings of his own administration,s the trump administration. a recent report written by several u.s. government agent says said the global average temperature rose by nearly 2 degrees celsius between 1901 and 2016. the same report said the u.s. is feeling the effects through deadly wildfires, debilitating hurricanes and heatwaves. if nothing is done to combat it, the u.s. could see more and costlier natural disasters. well, the battle for the 2020 democratic presidential campaign isn't just about who will get to take on president trump next year and debate topics like this. it's also what the democratic
party stands for. we got a hint, we may have a hint of where things are going. a cnn/"des moines register"/mediacom poll found they're more likely to support candidates who favor new taxes on the wealthy, the green new deal, medicare for all, the legislation of marijuana, and free tuition at public four-year colleges. i want to go into this a little deeper. dutch journalist and historian rutger bregman seized on that tweeting on sunday, "the real radicals in the democratic party are the so-called centrists who don't support medicare for all, higher taxes on the rich, free tuition, legalizing marijuana, and the green new deal. they are completely out of touch with the electorate." rutger bregman joins me now. thank you for being with us. >> great to be here. >> what do you mean by that? that the real radicals are the centrists? you know, recent polling has indicated 40 some percent of the democratic party would like it to be more progressive, 50 some would like it to be more moderate. >> well, take things like
medicare for all, which 70% of americans support or higher taxes on the rich, which supported by 75% of all americans. basically, since the early 90ses is. these are utterly mainstream positions. it's good news finally it's moving into the mainstream. that's what most americans want. so it seems to me pretty bizarre that we call these people who are against that, that we call them moderates or centrists. >> in much of the developed world or the oecd world, these are not only mainstream, but they're in some cases positioned held by conservatives. >> indeed, indeed. the toreys in the uk love universal health care. conservatives in canada love universal health care. america is the exception here. >> an article in "the atlantic," republicans are telling you something when they gleefully schedule votes on the green new deal, medicare for all and 70% marginal tax rate. when they're more eager to vote on the democratic agenda than we are, we should take a step back
and ask ourselves whether we're inadvertently letting the political battle play out on their turf rather than our own. if trump's only hope for winning a second term turns on his ability to paint uses a socialists we shouldn't play to type." there has been a lack of control over the language of this and over the last few years, we've been able to talk about progressive policies, even as progressive policies. i'm not sure -- i tell people $15 an hour minimum wage isn't really all that much money. >> no, no, no. >> not some wild, radical plan. >> i must say from a european perspective, this whole debate in america about capitalism v versus socialism seems rather ridiculous to be honest. policies supported by the vast majority of americans and work really, really well in the countries that the tried them a are actually investments that save money in the long run. take a lack at hoelt caealth ca. in the long run, it will save money for medicare for all. it shouldn't be a left versus right thing or progressive
versus conservative thing. it's just common sense. >> we're both at davos, one of the interesting things at the world economic forum is the degree to which a lot of very smart people do seem a little bit out of touch with things that have happened. a lot of people, men of a certain age in america will know a time when marginal tax rates were very high -- >> indeed. >> -- in excess of 7 60%, 70%. i want to play what you said about taxes in davos. let's listen. >> i hear people talking the language of participation, justice, equality, and transparency, then, i mean, almost no one raises the real issue of tax avoidance, right? and the rich just not paying their fair share. it feels like i'm at a firefighter's conference and no one is allowed to speak about water. ten years ago, the world economic forum asked a question, what must industry do to prevent abrupt social backlash? the answer is very simple. just stop talking about philanthropy and start talking about taxes. we got to be talking about taxes. >> yeah. >> that's it. taxes, taxes, taxes.
all the rest is [ bleep ], in my opinion. >> so here's the problem, rutger. there are a lot of people who are not in the top tax brackets, top 1% or top 5% or the top .1% as you got at davos who still think that higher taxes means higher taxes for them. the middle class. how do you make the argument for higher marginal taxes as alexandria ocasio-cortez, she talks about a marginal tax rate of 70%, that's after $10 million. how do we mainstream this argument to say a progressive tax system charges people who earn more money, higher taxes on the marginal bit? >> but it's already mainstream. so if you just ask people the question in polls, do you support higher taxes on the rich? almost all americans say, yes, i do support that. it's already completely mainstream. it's only, i mean, democrats have to realize that. that they can, you know, win big-time if they actually support that. >> you think they can win when you run on a campaign of higher taxes? >> obviously, also, if you look at the green new deal, which is the support according to the latest poll of 81% of americans,
it really goes back, you know b in my mind, to american tradition of can-do mentality. . right? of another moon shot. i can imagine that people here -- oh, here's this socialist dutch guy, you know, from lunatic leftist europe, right? but you got to know that, for example, breaking up companies like amazon -- >> yeah. >> -- it's part of the american tradition. >> it's not a socialist -- >> no, it happened in 1911. >> i would love to sit and talk about this for a long time. unfortunately, my show runs out but you should read this, there's a lot in here i want to talk to you about. "utopia your for realists." rutger bergman's book. come back and have a conversation about the details in there. >> sure. >> i'll be right back after this break. >> i'll be right back after this break. ing at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix.
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