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now, perhaps even just months from now. that is our broadcast on this tuesday night. thank you so much for being here with us. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. > tonight on "all in." >> i said why don't you use this for impeachment and nancy said we're not looking to impeach you. i said that's grr, nancy. that's good. >> they wanted me to impeach president bush in the iraq war. i don't believe it then and now. it divides the country. >> we're not governing with a focus on impeaching. >> the pros and cons of charging the president. >> i think every colleague of mine agrees there's impeachable offenses. >> the trump organization and who financed them. two famous actresses among others in a bribery scheme to
get their dieds college. >> some paid up to $6 and a half million for guaranteed admission. and the junior senator from utah has a very special birthday celebration when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. it's all stemming from an interview that nancy pelosi gave where she said quote, i'm not for impeachment. it's so divisive to the country that unless there's something overwhelming, we shouldn't do it. it divides the country. the question of whether there is a substantive case for impeachment and whether it's even tajs. that it results in a backlash and maybe even impeachment
itself is bad politically. there's evidence to suggest she's protecting her members by making this antiimpeachment statement and there's the case that it's triggered a whole new round of impeachment talk, which is no accident. and mitch mcconnell agrees with with pelosi. it is true they like the talk about impeachment themselves because they feel it gives them a political advantage. here's the president himself earlier this year. >> so i think it's very hard to impeach somebody who's done a great job, that's number one. and we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment and nancy said we're not looking to impeachment and i said that's good, nancy. that's good. you don't impeach people when they're doing good job. >> and there are currently nearly two dozen different investigations into president trump and election interference.
at the end of last year counts to 17. but since then nearly every house committee has done an inquiry into the president, including a reborn russia investigation with the house intelligence committee a far reaching correction robe by the house judiciary committee. we learned new york state is looking into trump organization's finances. and the fact that the president was named -- well, not named but identified in a criminal indictment and stormy daniels' former lawyer said the hush money payments were in the context of campaign finance. it was exactly what it looks like. >> there was very little to no interest preceding access hollywood to resolve this case in any way shape or form. and it wasn't until immediately after the access hollywood tape there was a rush to settle this case.
>> the important thing -- or one of the most important things to keep in mind is the current president of the united states was unquestionably the beneficiary of not one, but two illegal, criminal conspiracies in 2016 to nudge hum over the finish line. one he was directly involved in, possibly directed. and the other involved an adversary who, who knows maybe did even more. joining me democrats from california. do you agree with the speaker's comments on impeachment? >> i do want to say i very much share speaker pelosi's concern for president trump's fitness to serve in office while i share the concerns of my colleague.
>> you do want to see the caucus press ahead with impeachment? >> not at this point. i wants to see the caucus continue its investigations. i want to insure the oversight committee continues to do its work. the judiciary committee continues to do its work. i want to make sure we're able to look at mueller's report before we go down that route. we have a lot of work to do. 800,000 people did not get paid. there are priorities and the reasons why we were elected to office, we have so much work to do. impeachment will take us down a road where we will not be able to focus on all of those priorities that our constituents elected us to do. >> your thoughts? >> i mostly agree with norma and speaker pelosi. it's clear this president has
committed felonies, in particular a violation of section 1512 b 3 of the criminal code when he obstructed justice three times. but at the same time we don't have the votes in the senate to remove trump from the presidency. and so we need build support in this country, the country about 1/2 support impeachment and removal from office. we need show them more facts, investigations. we'll show them those facts and investigations. but if we hadn't talked about impeachment at all in washington, trump -- imagine what trump would have done if he didn't think there was the possibility of impeachment? he certainly would have fired mueller and i'm sure there's a dozen other terrible ideas that he's held back on because there's at least the possibility of impeachment. >> you're saying it's important that threat loom and it's important we don't do it too
quickly if there's not grass roots support for it. but i'm going to ask you this and ask you the same question, congressman torress. if you think the guy has committed impeachable offenses, the founders are clear in the transcripts of what was happening, the proceedings, it's important to check a ruler who's abusing his power. you can't wait for people. what you say to that? >> there's nothing in the constitution that says the house has to impeach under this or that circumstance. we're allowed to when there's high crimes and misdemeanors. removing this president would be great for the country. but we need build enough support so we've got mitch mcconnell or some of his caucus on our side, ready to vote for remove.
we were able to do that with richard nixon and i would hope the facts on the record would be sufficient for not just 1/2 but 2/3. we need to make the case. >> it's a very lengthy process. it is a difficult process. the first step. the house can impeach by a simple muandlort. but when we get to the senate it will take 67 senators to vote to convict. an impeachment without conviction does not get this president out of office. and we are not going to have more than one opportunity to do that. so that is the reason why i agree with speaker pelosi that we must focus on the work with ahead of us, in front of us and insure that we allow these
committees to do their work too, do the oversight. we have to have a transparent process where we gain the support of a bipartisan support of not just our colleagues in the sont but also the voters. the taxpayers that gave us this opportunity to serve them in congress. >> can you imagine a universe, a set of facts that were to be revealed, the political universe that we may inhabit in the future where there would be 67 votes for removal? >> that would be amazing. >> i will tell you what i think. unless the president is ordering someone buried in the front lawn of the white house, i'm not sure there's 67 votes. >> i'm holding the rule of law is not a democratic or republican issue. transparency is a bipartisan issue. public corruption. that is a bipartisan issue. but we have to have facts and
evidence to get our colleagues on board. >> final thought. >> chris, i don't think we necessarily wait until we count 67 votes but we need see a higher level of popular support in order to be successful in removing him. at the same time focusing the country on the crimes he's committed and the terrible mistakes he's made is part of what we're doing in congress. >> thank you both. appreciate it. co host of "the ring of fire" radio show and an msnbc contributor. i find the way democrats talk about this fascinating. it's like you're trying to trap him. everyone is so crampd and careful and cagey about it. >> there's something true about what he's saying. he's obviously committed impeachable offenses and yet
there are huge risks doing it now in the politics of it. they're kind of giving the republicans a veto over impeachment but they don't want to say it. and there may be wisdom in their not charging ahead. i think where they make an error is when they say the problem with impeachment is it's too divisive. the problem is we have a republican party is going to protect a criminal president and so there may be more expedishes ways to check the president. the problem not that he doesn't deserve to be impeached. >> congressman agrees with speaker pelosi and if i take at her word, i don't think they agree. there's no value to impeachment. >> unless it's bipartisan.
>> the idea of being divisive. the point is to set down a marker and say what being done is wrong. and i would argue those times have been just as divisive. wlz rr iran contra or she mentioned george w. bush flying this country into a ware. to site that as a merit badge that we did not impeach george bush. that turned out to be pretty divisive in many respects. it's not hard to draw a line with all the lack of accountability we see today. >> from the voting standpoint, she's -- democrats don't impeach in 2007 and they get this enormous victory of 60 votes in the senate and barack obama becomes president.
i think about this. i remember it was an open question had the house took over and she shut it down right away. >> that's a push. >> it's a waste of time. >> so that's completely off the table? >> wouldn't they just love it if we came in and our record as dmps in 12 years is to talk about george bush and dick cheney. this election is about them. this is a referendum on them. making them lame ducks is good enough for me. >> literally the same thinking. >> i think the situations are different. and obviously george w. bush lies and incompetence has killed vastly more people than sins of donald trump. he's done vastly more damage but
not things obviously on their face criminal. so you could say that was a political dispute as opposed to him simply breaking the law, obstruction of justice. but trump's out right criminality, flagrant profiting from the president. abuse of power. it's a much more cut and dry case of the kind of things impeachment was designed to address. >> you started by saying there were two questions. is there a substantive case? is it practical in terms of politics? even if you don't succeed by saying this is wrong. ee ve standards. we're not just going to turn the page without having read that and that's what president obama wanted to do and there's a lot of arguments i think are legitimate. lot of what's come back from
that era have come back because we weren't educated in what was wrong with what happened. >> the way you convince the public is to start the progress and lay out your case. >> they keep -- it's not just some things. it's formed through the active -- >> and people see democrats hedging on whether he should be impeached, it sends a message impeachment is not urgent and this could go on for another two years. >> and sherman's calculation is, at least on some level recognizing we would hold him to account as in there's no value in attempting. those are very distinct views. and one is far more important in maintaining. there's a good argument donald trump is there because there was
some semblance in the country that elite are not held to account. it may be a miscalculation as to who he was but he has not been held to account. the administration is full of people that have not held to account in the financial crisis or wherever. that exercise of saying we had some standards, it's important to uphold them should not be undersold in the way that it is. >> i don't have a settled view on this. i think the political argument is not a inconsequential one. i'm not sure if they literally found out he ordered a hit -- it's not clear to me 57 votes kpused for any set of facts that would be covered. >> i'm also kind of agnostic on the politics and can see an argument that it makes more sense to expose him. but then we're sawing impeachment has no meaning and
there is no punishment for just sort of flagrant corruption, flagrant crimes as long as you have the political backing. >> and that's in a important lesson. is anyone ever go 67 votes for anything in the universe? >> both on the political level and the idea that you only get one bite at this apple. and if he does get reelected, there may be a cause to go back. >> that's a great point. >> you want to be a bullet in the chamber if you were. next that disastrous fallout. more subpoenas.
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new york attorney general just issued her first subpoenas to investors bank and deutsche bank. who appear to be part of a civil inquiry prompted by michael cohen's testimony before congress. >> did the president ever provided inflated assets to a bank in order to help him obtain a loan? >> these documents and others were provided to deutsche bank on one occasion where i was with them in our attempt to obtain money so that we can put a bid on the buffalo bills. >> the banks were not just subpoenaed about the failed buffalo bills bid, financing some of the president's most high profile real estate praud projects including the trump tower in chicago the newest one in washington d.c.
the bank is far and away the biggest lender, extending him $360 million of loans since 2012. good to have you here. why do you think they should be doing this? >> this is a good role for new york attorney general. thaw give the attorney general responsibility to investigate corporate fraud. this is under one executive law and brings the civil jurisdiction that could lead to criminal jurisdiction for the manhattan d.a., brooklyn d.a. >> it's so tricky. what's the destingsz stinction? >> either way you can't put a corporation in jail. >> right. which is why i find it hard to pin down what the distinction is. >> with a civil and a criminal
inquiry you could have restitution and fines. the key thing with civil is paying it back with a lower burden of proof. the attorney general jurisdiction is there's a law that most states have, and that statute allow as new york attorney general to investigate persistent rampant fraud and if there's a danger, there's a petition to dissolve that corporation. this investigation should be part of a broader investigation. we see allegations of bank fraud, and tax fraud more rampant than just the subpoenas. and not erick sniderman. barbara underwood became the acting attorney general. she brought the action to dissolve the trump foundation. >> and successfully.
>> they've now stipulated, agreed to dissolve under supervision with the new york attorney general and the courts. what was alleged was an intermeshing of frauds with the trump organization. many of the crimes alleged are intertwine would with frauds from the trump organization. >> i have the paul manafort question, which is how is this going on in plain sight for so long? she did this amazing a-block of a property he jacked up the evaluation on and lowered it again. this is all in plain sight. what does it say about the fact no one's done this before? >> it's great that attorney general jaums is now on it. let's be clear there is public reporting of what happened under virus's watch. and they were ready to bring
indictments to ivanka trump and don jr. for real state fraud and coincidentally there was a massive campaign donation to his reelection campaign >> and more than them with mails in can which they're misrepresenting the peeping which is fraud basically on its face, right? >> absolutely. at least we have an opportunity to redeem himself. >> this goes forward. i guess the other question is deutsche bank says it's subject to two investigations examined last year by banking regulators that took no action. they also have maxine waters looking into them. >> all of this can work together. you have the southern district of new york and that overlaps with the trump organization. you have the cyrus vance has brought the grand jury to paul
manafort. the bigger question is all of these offices had been working together based upon reporting. and they can continue to do so. this is just one step. deutsche bank subpoenaed could lead to other evidence of criminal money laundering as people have speculated and that ties into what might be the carat and the stick of trump's compromising with russians in 2016. >> thank you very much. next governor jay ins lee and the new polling that shows voters are right there with him. funny thing about health insurance, you don't think about how much you need it until you need it. he's not going to be okay. from emergencies, to just regular life, having the right plan for you can mean all the difference in the care you get and how much you pay.
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as the 2020 presidential election heats up, one thing is clear climate change is front and center in a way it never has been before. likely democratic caucus goers list climate as the thing they want kabd dts to talk about. thanks to globalization and the increasingly deadly and undeniable effects we can see around us of the warming we have already put into the atmosphere. those effects on full display outside los angeles, site of recent record wild fires where self-declared 2020 climate president candidate, governor inslee visited yesterday. what did you hear from the folks you were talking to in agorau? >> first, courage and
resilience. they would be inspired in how they're coming together as a community to rebuild their community but tremendous frustration that the president hasn't protected them. they realize that government's own scientists have told us these fires will double in the upcoming decades and already have and yet to have the president call this a hoax while their homes were burning down, that does not set well with them. doesn't set well with me. that's why we need make defeating climate change the number one priority of the next president and that's what i intend to do if i'm given this high honor. >> they call for emissions to be reduced 45% in the next 12 years, by 2030 and i imagine you agree with that.
if i am talking to someone and i say there's a guy running on a climate agenda, jay inslee. here's his x-point plan to cut emugzs, what is that? >> we're going to rule out the pallass to support that. but quickly the four pillars. number one a commitment to 100% clean energy in the next several decades. we're passing a bill in my legislature to start by making sure we have a 100% electrical grid. second we got to have a concentrated effort to put people to work in clean energy jobs that we know are the future. third, we have to have a principal of a just transition, not just a transition as we transition to a decarbonized economy and make sure marginalized communities have a seat at the table because those are the first victims. and fourth, we got to end these subsidies and the billions of dollars that go to the fossil
fuel industries that are grossly unfair to taxpayers and are perpetuating the strangle hold and now choking the planet and exposing it to the ravages of climate change. i will be rolling outa very robust set of policies for the 20 years i've been working on this. i wrote a book about this. we now have 21 states in the u.s. climate alliance. we joined we nevada today. we know we have to sell this problem and we know we can do that. this is a can-do nation, we need a can-do president. >> if i'm not mistaken emissions have gone up during your tenure as governor? >> we've had about 130,000 people moving here. so we've got more cars and we've now built a wind turb industry of $6 billion. with the most per capita, the
biggest users of electric cars. i just got the -- cut the ribbon on the largest solar farm. we're doing a lot. >> but this is the whole problem. i've been hearing doing a lot for a long time. they got to go down. you're governor off a state that's a pretty progressive state, although you had a republican legislature. what do you say to someone who says you had a chance in your state. how are you going to do it with a republican senate or in the more difficult to manage federal government? >> first off the governors have given me democratic legislature. right now as we speak we have several bills including 100% clean grid a clean fuel standard i hope will pass tonight. new building codes for net zero buildings.
so we're going to move the needle. the other thing we have to do is we veto get rid of the filibuster. that will stop us in our tracks. it's an vestige of an antebellum era. an antiquated thing that will stop us from saving the planet. so that needs go and i'm challenging the other people aspiring to this office that they will agree to get rid of the filibuster. this is necessary to defeat this beast and it is time shake up d.c. one of the ways to shake it up is to end the filibuster and in a a majority rule like americans deserve, own lathen can we fight climate change and that's job number one to get this done. we'll check in on your progress. up next the massive college emugzs cheating scheme. the details, the remarkable details that famous actresses now facing charges ahead.
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the freshman senator is mitt romney and today is his birthday. his staff posted this video of the celebration inside his temporary office. it's in the basement. there are bars on the windows. he's there while his permanent office is being renovated. the twinkies are the right height and honestly it just
looked delicious and then he blew out his candles. >> hole a cow. that's fantastic. what are you guys going to have? look at this. >> very normal and very cool. something like that might have become a full-blown thing in 2012 but we have more important things to worry about. let's go to tmz. >> wondering about your technique to blow out your candles. >> i have a bit of a cold and i didn't want to spray my germs all over the twinkees for everybody else to eat and i
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at its center was a criminal enterprise which employed cheating and bribery to get the children of well-paying parents into elite schools. william singer, the head of the college prep business has pleaded guilty to all counts including racketeering and conspiracy. he's among several defendants cooperating. they included two standardized test administrators and more than a dozen coaches at elite schools. part of a skoom that facilitated cheating in exchange for bribes, arranging for a third party to take exams in replace of the students and designating applicants as recruits in exchange for bribes. today singer, part of his facebook page showed here, admitted that parents paid $25
million to bribe university coaches to designate the student athletes. and then there are throws that are charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and prosecutors say they knew exactly what they were doing. cooperating witness one met with huffman and her spouse in los angeles home and explained in substance how the entrance exam worked. her spouse was not charged today. she, however, is accused of paying $50,000 to facilitate cheating on behalf of one of her daughters. the roster of schools duped was stale, stanford and usc. submitting a photoo of someone other than their child as part of a ruse to say their child was athletic to go hand in hantd with the bribing of coaches. and this desperate illegal, side
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for all the talk and finger wagging in higher education, the announcement of indictments in a massive college cheating scandal may be the john steven out nation turns out money was the real affirmative action all along. family wealth that helped unqualified students get into elite universities in an alleged criminal conspiracy that is bribes, fake test takers and more. here to talk about the scheme. tressy mcmillan cotton, author of the great book "lower ed the troubling rise of for profit colleges" and msnbc political analyst. i'll start you because you're sitting here.
you've been fired up about this story today in the wheelhouse of a book that you just wrote. my first book was a similar topic. what was your reaction to the story? >> it was so incredible. what it suggested to me was many rich people in america are no longer satisfied with the kind of generalized rigging of america for rich people, the benefits all rich people equally. white privilege, two-tier policing. >> schooling like beverly hills, et cetera. >> the problem with that is it benefits all rich people. >> right. >> something not so exclusive about it and what was revealed today was that there is this class of people who wants kind of bottle service rigging over and above the generalized rigging available to everybody. so you have these parents really orchestrating these kind of amazing, you know, scams involving photo shopping, pictures of a child's face on to
an actual soccer player, and i have to say, you know, our culture is so celebrity focused, the news today about these two women, actors and did whatever they did but one of the most significant developments today was one of the titans of american finance and leaders of so-called new capitalism in america. a partner at tpg, huge private equity firm, the ceo of the rise fund, the leading impact investment fund in the world as bernie was rising and elizabeth warren, this guy said there is a new capitalism we can fix within. partner with bono because bono gets involved with helping poor people and the ceo of this fund was indicted. >> your field of study is what is happening at the opposite end of these folks. what was your reaction to this story? >> my reaction is like the reaction of millions of people
who feel deep down whether they know what i have come to know through my academic research and training. we all or many of us have this deep down sense that something about the game of getting ahead is fund mentally unfair. we have known as academics and researchers and people who write and study have known elements that showed up in today's indictment. there isn't much here that is ground breaking. what is ground breaking is how rarely we get to see how that process works for many wealthy people and i would add as, you know, helpfully pointed out what people are using wealth for in this group of people including this indictment is what almost all parents use whatever privilege think have available to them to sort of gain the system. the take away here is that in the system being gamed for a few students who loses are the students that believe the system is fair, and so i have often
said that higher education legitimizes lower ed because wealthy students have almost always been able to buy themselves into elite higher education and because of that, we believe that that higher education system works for all of us. >> right. >> it is the veneer of fairness for a game that's not only rigged but can be rigged. what we see today is sort of the border cases of the extremes of a process playing out across the united states every day for millions of people. >> you know, what i found fascinating is the desperation of these parents. these are people very wealthy and have a lot -- like, you can think your kids are going to be fine. send them anywhere. you guys will be fine. but that's not the psychology. they are really desperate. >> no. >> and you got this -- this is william singer on the phone selling it. he says there is a front door that means you get in on your
own and the backdoor meaning if you can write a $15 million check, if you're really wealthy, get your kid in. i've come up with a side door. if you're in between those two. >> i read it differently because what he says in that passage is not just about the amount of money. he says what we do is we help the wealthiest families in the u.s. get their kids into school. he says the backdoor, there is no guarantee. they will give you a second look. even with maybe a very large check. my families want a guarantee. right? and i think what's so telling about this, it's possible to look at this story as this one story and possible to go a little broader and look at the education system, some of the things you both raised but possible to look at this story as a biopsy of corruption as the increasingly all saturating theme of america life in 2019, where the president who essentially did similar things to garden keep his fortune from
his parents with the president who essentially lied his way to the top and lied to stay in. all the way through legalize bribery system in the post citizens united world to michael cohen, everything he's exposed. this can't -- these things can't be isolated from each other. this is becoming who we are and the essence. >> it is a rule by legacy cases, whatever the greek term. that's where we are now. jared kushner is advising his father in law after his daddy gave money to harvard and god knows how don trump got into horton. >> what we're really seeing here is historical subtext as contemporary text. what these wealthy parents really wanted to buy is not just a more guaranteed point of entry into elite higher education with yawning wealth and equality is a more valuable commodity. that's what this relationship is broadly between wealth and
inequality and elite institutions that benefit from that wealth and equality. wealth inequality will destroy access institutions, those working horse institutions that actually promote upward mobility for poor and middle class but elite institutions will win and a culture of wealth, which is pointed out. this is more about more than money. this is what can we get away with? that's the nature of the culture of being wealthy. it is not that their children will be fine. it is that their children will not be finer than the other children who are fine, right? there is always an additional layer of privilege and status and opportunity hoarding to be had and in many ways, it is the entire culture of wealth that says that is what the pursuit of wealth is about. it's about not only getting in through a guaranteed side door
but getting in in a way that says you deserve to be there even knowing that you got in through the side door and that's the system in which they are trying to preserve. >> thank you both. that is "all in" for this evening. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. the indonesia plane crash that happened at the end of the october lion air flight 610. 189 people were killed. the investigation into that crash showed that the pilots had the plane unexpectedly go nose down on them while they were trying to lift it up. that was a boeing 737 max 8. boeing 737 is the most popular, the most widely sold modern passenger aircraft in the world, and this is the new 737. this was a new plane. the new iteration of that workhorse of the commercial aviation industry, but in that new plane something happened shortly after take off in october. the pilots were reportedly basically wrestling th