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you want to put that on this phone, please? hello. >> meanwhile, president trump stirred confusion when he tweeted airplanes are far too complex to fly. pilots are no longer needed but rather computer scientists from mit. >> a wheel is older than a wall. >> steam is very reliable and the electromagnetic, unfortunately you have to be albert einstein to really work it properly. >> if you have something really important, write it out and have it delivered by courier the old-fashioned way. >> we're losing a lot of people because of the internet. we have to do something. we have to go see bill gates. >> we appreciate it very much, tim ap. >> i think the computers have complicated lives greatly. the age of computer has made it where nobody knows exactly what's going on. >> to quote the president, nobody knows exactly what's going on. good morning. it's march 13th.
joe has the morning off. with me we have politics editor for "the beast," sam stein and the former republican and champion of the republican national committee, michael steele and cofounder and ceo of axios, jim vandehei. come personal "morning joe" news, his post in the "washington post," what my mother gave me is amazing about mary jo scarborough. it was never good enough but that's what pushed joe really hard. it was never enough but pushed her up a lot. coming up, we have "morning joe" family news. very exciting announcement. to the news, some of what we're watching today. paul manafort is facing another judge after dodging a bullet last week with a lenient prison sentence. he's facing the possibility of another 10 years behind bars.
meanwhile, one of the president's best people, michael flynn is done spilling to the special counsel, it is complete and he's asking for a three month delay before his sentencing takes place. this big story, boeing's troubled jetliners are still flying over the u.s. despite being grounded in several other countries. there are new details over safety concerns involving the planes and the government shutdown a much needed with software fix. sometime during the show coming up, 90 minutes, two hours, senator elizabeth warren is going to join us live on the set in our 8:00 a.m. hour. we look forward to that. we begin with this incredible story. charges in a multi-million dollar entrance exam cheating scandal. were you guys shocked by this? this is a shocker. sam, you're not? >> what's the big deal?
isn't this how it always happens? >> sam, we're not doing this for you. we're not. you walked right into that. it's not happening for ah. you have to take your s.a.t.s just like everybody else. >> we were shocked at the brazenness of it, right? we weren't shocked somebody tried to cheat to get their kids into school. >> sadly. sadly. >> the brazenness of it was insane. photo shopping, heads on bodies. >> you can pay, that's legal or go under the table and that's apparently not. this is a distinct form of corruption. >> i think this is very -- maybe i'm naive. nearly 50 people have been charged, the largest college cheating scam ever to be made by the department of justice a $25 million scheme allegedly funded by wealthy parents including two hollywood actresses in an attempt to get their children into elite colleges like yale,
georgetown and the university of southern california. they are accused of paying bribes ranging from $200,000 to upwards of hello, $6.5 million to college prep consultant william singer. according to prosecutors singer then facilitated ways -- this is where i'm stunned -- to help students cheat on entrance exams and be recruited as athletes regardless of their athletic abilities. how did the kids not know this was happening? are they being brought up to cheat. this is horrendous. they must have known in some cases. >> they are being brought up to follow their parents to some extent. in some cases the parents did not want them to know what was going on. it was probably a weird moment when the soccer coach showed up, hey, we're ready for you to join the team. then the kid was like, i don't play soccer. >> that's the thing.
how could they get into the school as an athlete and not show up for practice. >> in some cases the coaches were in on the action and being paid saying this person is a recruit. this ripples down into the university system as well. not just the top line stuff among parents and consultants, also how certainly university staff and personnel -- >> chose to personally -- in some cases singer allegedly had an imposter take s.a.t. tests for students and others photoshopped faces of applicants on to photos on the internet of athletes to bolster their athletic credentials. singer pleaded guilty to a list of charges including obstruction of justice and money laundering after agree together wear a wire and cooperate with the fbi. among the high profile people, actress felicity huffman paid
$15,000 to have her daughter get more time on the college entrance exam and boost her scores on another. she was released on $250,000 bail yesterday. actress lori laughlin, she and her husband allegedly agreed to pay bribes up to half a million dollars to boost their two daughters' chances to get into usc. investigators say the colleges themselves are not a target of the ongoing investigation and no students charged. the wide ranging scheme operated from 2011 up until last month. willie, i find this incredible and think it's an incredible relief from trump news and political news, it's stunning the length parents will go and what's the message parents will go and not a good one. >> no. of course not. it is stunning that parents cheat to get your kids in school
and in the next tax bracket, we've all heard those stories, but this is such an elaborate scheme and we wonder how that works. let's ask that question. tom, let me start with you, william singer, this is the guy mika was just describing at the top of the chain here, a college counselor, a for-profit company he runs. college prep gets you ready for the s.a.t., things like that. how does it work? walk us from him to the colleges themselves. >> there's a couple different tiers and couple different ways they did it. the first way, look, we have coaches we're actually bribing. a tennis coach on the take for $2.7 million over the course of this scheme. what they will say is if you can find a way for your kid to be great at tennis or great at crew or great at soccer, we can find
a way for them to get them in or at least recommended to get them on that team and they wouldn't show up or drop out playing for that team. that happens sometimes in the natural course of recruiting for athletes. it's not a huge red flag, i particularly in lesser tier programs. we'll come in under that and in addition we'll help them take the test or take the test for them or give them unlimited time. there are perfectly good mental reasons to get additional time on a test. when you have somebody being bribed to give that student more time, that's an entirely different story. >> in some cases -- sorry to interrupt -- you had parents inventing problems the kids had, whether emotional or stress, going a psychiatrist and getting a fake diagnosis to get more time to take the test. >> all of that ties up to this novel legal theory where you
have institutions receiving more than $10,000 in federal funds. at that point, the justice department said, you know what, if you're going to cheat when we're involved with taxpayer money you've just opened the door for us to investigate. what's going on with william singer and him pleading guilty, not only do you have presumably the payments here, right, you have payments from the high profile hollywood types, ceos of law firms and payments going in. and e-mail exchanges from lori loughlin and her husband, we will get a picture of her on a rowing machine. after they arrest singer and involve him in cooperating, cooperating witness number one in the court documents, you have him making calls back to the people and saying, the irs may audit this. remember, if they call you, it's a donation, right, don't mention the thing we did for your
daughter or son or child. it is strong evidence if it goes to trial. >> what is the legal exposure. we know william singer's legal exposure, for some of the parents and celebrity names we heard here? >> mail wire fraud carries a statutory maximum of 20 years. that's not likely to be an actual sentence under the guidelines because presumably we're dealing with mostly first time offenders here. the mail and wire fraud is over 100 years old designed to avoid city slickers to deprive country folks of their property and services. in modern times this is an application of that same law to not deprive the university of its property but its good will, services, honest admissions process. it's an interesting application of mail and wire fraud statutes to these parents who just thought they were paying a little extra to get their kids
into college. there's the question of all the kids that didn't get in these schools because these kids did get in, taking up the spot. on the coach side, i'm so fascinated. a thousand questions. you talked about the soccer coach at yale who made $2.7 million. what is that first ask like from singer? he calls the coach, knows the coach, hey, i have an idea for you, you can make a couple bucks doing this. that's a pretty risky thing to ask somebody who can call the authorities and say there's something wrong going on here. how does it start? >> you touched on something important here. this is an ongoing investigation. yesterday, we got a little bit of window inside of this. a huge window, frankly, barn door to look inside and see how this scheme was put together. the specific nature as far as how this all came together, how do you know who to approach, which coaches you approach? it went coast-to-coast, usc and
stanford and some schools involved in this. how did he know who to go to and who to pick, some questions we want answers to. once it was established, once these coaches were on the take, it was, where does your kid want to go to school? i have an idea. oh, they played a little bit of soccer, we can photoshop a picture. it comes together and you have key people in right places and becomes a racketeering conspiracy and you have an overarching plan here and one of the reasons they put this together and put the heat on those involved in this because it was so laid out of who to go to, who to pay and how much. >> when the kid gets to yale and doesn't know how to play soccer, for example, the kid gets to usc and never sat in a boat before to row, what happens? >> apparently, that was it.
in one specific instance, one or two days they would practice with the team and appear they would not be the player they were supposed to be or player at all and it's over. this does sometimes happen in sports, they get recruited and go to schools and just lose it. i had friends that got recruited and go to schools and didn't work out. >> at least they played before. >> they've played before and seen -- actually rowed before, incredible. >> they know soccer is played with their feet and not their head. >> exactly. we will come back to this. other news. special counsel robert mueller's off fis announced former national security advisor, michael flynn's assistance is now complete and he is asking for a 90 day delay in his sentencing. he has been cooperating in a separate case of two former business associates accused of illegal lobbying for turkey. the special counsel's off fis did not take a position on request for sentencing delay.
mueller's off fis recommended flynn receive little if any prison time. what's this signify? the end of the cooperation with mueller? >> this is something he sentenced in the past, he would not be ready for sentencing. he was supposed to be sentenced before the holidays last year. he wouldn't have wanted to move forward if we didn't already know and he didn't know he was done with this cooperation. mueller is there. they're ready. they're ready to move on from this. they have a report to get out. they have other things to handle. as far as flynn's involvement in this, it is well and done. if it were not for the judge raising the possibility he wouldn't give flynn credit for his testimony or some sort of issue with that, frankly, flynn would already be sentenced and we would move on from this. this is not special counsel's doing or michael flynn's doing, what the judge raised in the original sentencing hearing. michael flynn, on the advice of
his attorney, said i want to make sure this is buttoned up before we make a sentencing date. in that 90 days from now, not hard they get the sentencing, it will update. and this could go on another five, six months. meanwhile, paul manafort faces another round of sentencing today. a federal judge in washington could add on two years in prison to the charges of conspiracy he pled guilty to last year. this after a week he was sentenced to 47 months in prison in a different case. the question has been will this time be added or served concurrently with the previous sentence? >> that's the big question. prior to sentencing last week, judge jackson in the district of columbia was an afterthought. the it was expected manafort would get a strastospheric sentence in columbia but now the
guidelines are so high they exceed 10 years. so the advisor sentence is 10 years. the safe money bet is on a 10 year sentence today for paul manafort. the big question for criminal defense attorneys in all of these cases is always consecutive or concurrent. as manafort's defense team, i would argue this is part of the same relevant conduct. under the sentencing guidelines, it should be concurrent. it will be interesting to see whether or not the judge exercises her authority and makes this a consecutive sentence so manafort can only serve his first sentence first and only when that's completed he starts serving the second sentence. >> what's your best guess? >> best guess, concurrent sentence but max of 10 years. >> a lot to go through today. milk xa. yeah. there's still more, much more. the european union becomes the
latest to banish the ground the 737 max 8 planes it includes australia, air mexico. india also grounded the aircraft and along with the uk, even banned the planes from traveling in its country's airspace. not on that list the united states. the statement last evening by acting faa administrator, we have a lot of acting in this government, reads this. the faa continues to review extensively all available data and aggregate safety performance from pilots of the boeing 737 max. nor have other civil aviation authorities provided data to us that would warrant action. in the course of our urgent review of data on the ethiopian
airlines air crash, if any issues affecting the continued air worthiness of this aircraft are identified, the faa will take immediate and appropriate action. why does that not make me comfortable? it actually makes me more uncomfortable, same quote, he made it clear he's absolutely confident in the safety of the airplanes. republican senators mitt romney and ted cruz joined democrats, including elizabeth warren, dianne feinstein and richard bloom menthol in calling for the faa to ban the 737 max 8 from u.s. airspace. romney tweeted, out of an abundance of caution for the flying public, the faa should ground the 737 max 8 until we investigate the causes of recent actions and insure the plane's air worthiness. this comes as reports surface
u.s. pilots had repeatedly reported safety concerns about the jets to federal authorities. the "dallas morning news" said it found five complaints in a public federal database about the 737 max's safety mechanism after takeoff also cited in october reports about a boeing 737 max 8 crash in indonesia that killed 189 people. meanwhile, the "wall street journal" reports since the indonesia crash, boeing and the faa have been working on extensive software fixes to the flight control system in these airplanes, the fix scheduled to be rolled out by the end of april would be a major shift from how boeing originally designed the stall prevention feature in the planes. the software fix was expected to be rolled out in january but u.s. officials said the recent government shutdown contributed to a delay, halting work on it for five weeks.
if you want to know about the impact of a government shutdown, you can see it right here with important plans to fix a problem on airplanes that have people flying and around the world has been delayed because of the government shutdown, because of the trump shutdown. what can congress do to ground these jets if the president is just going to take the word of the ceo, like he took vp's word and apparently kim jong un's word, that they're great guys. who would have confidence in the president's words? >> the answer is nothing immediately. you talk to lawmakers, there is increasing concern, hear from mitt romney and ted cruz that want to hold hearings on it. nothing they can do immediately because the faa has jurisdiction. i talked to a top transport official in the trump administration a couple days ago as this was all unfolding. they at least initially believed the problem was something
literally lost in traditional with foreign pilots not understanding how to disable this new auto technology, so they weren't fighting the system, that it was a step they were missing lost in traditional. now, when you see since then u.s. pilots were also complaining, that makes you look at it in a slightly different prism and i do think this is bipartisan as we get more information coming in from the united states pilots, harder for the trump administration to say, no, it's hard for foreign pilots. >> it's also about how politics works. >> absolutely. >> we saturday of laughed about the fact he spoke with a boeing ceo. it's incredibly telling to me he did. it shows an industry cap, did he
speak to the head of the pilots association, i'm not sure he did, in fact he got on the phone with the major ceo of a company, in part because that person is powerful in the business world and also political world. we know this president has an instinct to go with the last person he talked to. >> and interest in money. >> in this case, it's an incredibly telling thing we are one of the few countries not grounding these airlines and it happened after the talk with the boeing ceo. it looks like we will determine our regulatory policy based on the conversations the president is having. >> would love to hear more from the white house on this situation. right now, it doesn't look or feel good at all. coming up on "morning joe," presidential candidate elizabeth warren. and congressman adam schiff,
it could mean everything from chaos to food shortages, the uk is moving closer to crashing out of the eu unless british parliament can find a fix for brexit and fast. we'll have a live report from london. a lot to get to this morning. first, a check with bill karins on the forecast. >> a 78 miles an hour wind just reported at the dallas-fort worth airport. right over the top of downtown dallas there. an early morning wake-up call for everyone there. we'll see how much damage it does later on today. watch out, areas from arkansas, memphis, little rock included, jackson, mississippi, and this morning damage from a slow moving powerful storm that brings it up from the ohio
valley. this storm has it all from flooding concerns and blizzard like conditions in numerous areas. as far as flooding goes from dodge city to mississippi, numerous situations and ice jams on rivers. how about wind problems today? this isn't from the thunderstorms. 48 million people flying across the country. turbulence supposed to be pretty severe today. be careful this morning if you have travel across the country or roads in the air. the west coast and east coast is good, spring-like conditions but the middle of the country watching days ahead. we'll be right back. us as people. they see us as profits. we're paying the highest prescription drug prices in the world so they can make billions? americans shouldn't have to choose between
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the ais to the right, 342, nos to the left, 341. the nos have it. the nos have it. ayes. >> there are only 16 days left until the united kingdom is scheduled to leave the european union. for the second time this year, parliament overwhelmingly rejected the withdrawal agreement the prime minister struck with the eu known as brexit. what does that vote yesterday mean for the uk and whether or not it leaves the eu and future for prime minister may? >> it's no surprise to stay the global system is being tested in ways it hasn't been since the 1970s. this is a political impasse. here is why. last night, british lawmakers
voted against the deal the prime minister negotiated with europe. they don't want that deal. on the other hand, tonight, they will vote on whether they are prepared to see britain leave the european union without a deal and they're likely to vote against that as well. so they don't want either option. the next step is to see whether the deadline can be delayed. if they vote in favor of that, that then has to be agreed by all the other european countries and europe saying it needs justifiable reason for that delay. even if it happens it doesn't involve the fundamental problem we saw last night and likely to see tonight, the british parliament can't agree what it wants to see and europe isn't making any other offers. my mom used to have a saying, caught between a rock and a hard place. if she was around now, that's how she would describe this, except what we're dealing with, some of the biggest economies in
the world. i can't honestly tell you whether we are in a situation it's a lehman brothers, where people know it's coming but they can't do anything about it, the world economy heading towards a cliff edge or a bit like the greek sovereign debt crisis where leaders will get in dark rooms overnight as markets panic and find a deal, find a fudge. we don't know what is coming and that is in a sense why people should be deeply worried. >> this is the second rejection in parliament of theresa may and brexit in as many months. at the end, will the uk leave the eu? >> her reputation is damaged to say the least. i guess what you need is a general election for new lawmakers to be elected and
potentially new prime minister. is there time for that? there won't be unless europe gives britain more time for that to happen. anyway, the prime minister is in no mood to resign and doesn't have to right now. it's really an unknown. one of the questions here is that the world markets have stayed stable through all of this. will that continue to be the case? i think if world economies begin to react negatively in the weeks ahead, potentially you might see the white house intervening and more pressure on these lawmakers. europeans are renowned, including british, are renowned for not agreeing. that is certainly the case now. >> theresa may has promised she will not go back on her promise to leave the eu. we'll see where that end. keir simmons from london. thanks so much. tough times for theresa may. >> my gosh, yes. we'll be covering the ripple
effects of that. now to 2020. yesterday, former vice president, joe biden, hinted at his potential 2020 presidential run while speaking at a conference of international firefighters in washington, d.c. >> run, joe, run! >> thank you. i appreciate the energy you showed when i got up here. save it a little longer. i may need it in a few weeks. [ applause ] >> be careful what you wish for. be careful what you wish for. >> jim vandehei of axios is here. what should they be careful what they wish for with joe biden is a candidacy. >> there's not a single person he's talking to that says he's going to run. looks like he's definitely going to run. in his mind, he's thinking i am the only person who can win in
rural america and i'm liberal but not too liberal. he has experience. put yourself in the shoes of biden, i'm leading in the polls, darn it, people like me. what if i do run and the party has run past me and i am a three-time losing at a time my standing has never been stronger. >> everybody, when they're thinking about running for president, somebody in biden's position run for vice president, nobody will tell him the truth, everybody will say, my god, you should do it, they don't give him a straight answer. michael steele, if you were to give him a straight answer, troubleshoot if he decides to run? >> the top line would be, do it. rights now, the question isn't necessarily working your way through a democratic primary. that will work itself out. the realization of that, we've seen play out before, there is a lane for biden, an amy clklobucr
and others, beta o'rourke going into the game. at the end of the day, the party asks itself, what's more important, the primary or general? at the general point, who can beat donald trump? if you can't answer that question with any of the folks standing there and biden comes in and he's the one the public seems to think -- and i've heard it across the country, i know you have, jimmie, as you traveled around, this is probably the better play, then you do that. here's the thing, all the other baggage he brings to the table, how do you deal with that? that's where biden need to be smart to your point. that's how you end up being a three-time loser, if you let the narrative from the past overcome the opportunity in the present. >> in this case, sam and heidi probably, if they made it to the general, you'd want to letated bien be biden. >> the people i talked to -- want to let biden be biden.
>> people i've talked to -- >> losing to trump. >> in the general election, sure, i do think joe biden has advantages versus trump other democrats don't. you have to get to the general election. what these people are talking about, operatives who have done presidential politics and campaigns before worry how difficult that path is to get to the nomination. we have already seen it before he jumped in. stories of positions he's taken in the '70s, when he was an elected official completely out of tune with the modern day democratic party. hold on. he will -- but we're talking about opposition to busing. i don't know if kamala harris has taken a position on that because i don't even think she was in elected off fis when this was a huge flash point. the worry is he will spend virtually everyday of his primary campaign having to explain away a position or a
vote he took. >> i'll counter that. i get what you're saying. jim vand dehei, joe biden has a deep background on foreign policy and proven right on a number of issues and geopolitical challenges over the past three decades. wouldn't it be -- >> the foreign policy, even that is problematic. he voted for the iraq war. yes, he does have experience. that's a double-edged sword here. he will have to deal with everything hillary clinton had to deal with but he will have to deal with it as well. hard to see how he can get beyond that. >> stipulating in the last election none of us know what voters really want. assume sam is more right than wrong, let's make a guess who would be the administer formidable candidate in the election, the energy is around
the green new deal and medicare for all and what they've been afraid to do in the peace they will see if kamala harris or beto o'rourke gets in there. in this world, celebrity and newness, not just age and record, people want something fresh. >> boy, we have fresh. i'm good with it. i'll take old. >> we don't know until they get up on the stage and stand up to the promise of young people. the promise of joe biden is he can unite the working class. right now, the working class is divided along racial lines. that is the problem in the democratic party, they don't have a unifying figure who can speak to the trump voters and won't alienate people in the democratic party. we will see if democrats are willing to overlook some past missteps. the alternative of trump being
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welcome back. president trump continued his denile of global warming saying the claim to climate change is fake science. on fox and friends, identified more of the cofounder of green peace. they fought back calling him a paid lobbyist who does not represent the group. while trump's proposed 2020 budget falls in line with
previous years and plans to make cuts to climate research and renewable energy programs, the committee is expected to address the issue today after more than 58 officials last week rebuked the administration's plans to counter a 2014 department of defense report that concluded climate change does in fact pose a threat to the national security. joining us now, member of the homeland security, congresswoman, great to have you back on the show. i assume you pushed back on the president's tweet. the best way you can do that is hold a hearing. you worked as acting secretary of defense at the pentagon to help lead the first ever study at the dod, to look at the effects of climate change on national security. you have some experience on this, just a tad bit.
what did you find and hope to accomplish today? >> sure. we did the report in 2014 because the military is always planning for future contingencies, that's the job of the military as to plan for what is coming next. it is clear the climate is changing affecting our bases and our naval bases will be further and further under water, the arctic and what the russians and chinese are doing now that it's melting. there will be food shortages and possibility of super storms and affects the military and something we should be planning for and i think the military is quietly planning for, to roll backwards and say this isn't a national security issue, missing the obvious. >> so we'd like to have the entire climate debate into are you for or against the new green deal. let me ask you if you had all the power in the world to
implement one policy but only one policy for climate change, what would your prescription be? >> incentivizing clean energy and making sure we have the right tax incentives and financial incentives to make sure companies are making changes because it makes sense for them. it's the simplest way. >> how could the government do that? >> government policy on taxes and on incentives, that's standard federal policy, that's easy. >> really, guys, a question for you, congresswoman. >> hey, congresswoman, good to see you this morning. the question about the green new deal, you've been on the record already saying you support the idea of reducing carbon dioxide emissions but believe that 10 year window of getting completely carbon-free isn't realistic. what do you think can pass the house and be achievable? >> the tax incentive is one you
can do. there's a whole host of things we're trying to do if the president funded in his budget we'd be able to get there. he slashed funding for things like restoring our great lakes by 90%. the number of things he's done in this budget to slash our environmental programs is huge. and then the epa, and if we can't understand the standards we're supposed to live up to and we're playing defense based on the president's budget. >> i have a couple other questions. freshman congresswoman but quite a career in government and service on a number of levels. you worked in the cia as an officer and dod official. nato, future of alliance. you went to the munich security congress. we have a president very diminishing of nato. we're on the anniversary. what do you make of the impact
this presidency is having on the alliance and our place in the world? >> the entire reason i got into national security was 9/11. i happened to be in new york city on 9/11 when the towers came down and recruited by the cia and my career started then. we are facing threats by a global coalition. we cannot be at peak efficient sin our military operation unless we have allies and partners with us. therefore, any one president is simply a steward of those relationships for the next president and the next president. if you go breaking those relationships and making it harder for our allies to join with us you are literally making us less safe. when the president decides to tweet us out of syria and there are allies and partners fighting on the ground and find it out via a tweet and makes it harder the next time we want them with us in another conflict. i think it is doing serious
damage in our relationship and that makes us less safe in a global world. >> that's the bottom line. you're sitting here with all the experience you have watching this president pull out of syria in a tweet, obviously, my opinions are clear in this, it has to be incredibly frustrating to people who served on the ground, who know the details behind these actions. >> yes. not to mention the military fighting there. the most important thing what people in michigan believe is the american hand shake has to mean something. if we shake our hand and say we will be there with you and in a tweet change our minds, it just diminishes the role and voice of the united states. >> michael steele. >> democrats are putting on the table the bill of 2019 that would give 2 million dreamers citizenship here in the united states. what is the thinking behind this particularert and how does that
enhance a -- this particular effort and how does that enhance the support for what the president is doing? >> there is support for citizenship for dreamers. in a perfect world we have comprehensive support for this, a need for our economy. that's too big a bite to take off. we're start writing we have common ground, a good place to start. i think it will pass. i think we owe those kids a plan. to me, if we can compromise on this, maybe we can get to some of the other things, like some temporary visa problems we have, a bunch of other pieces. you have to start where you have common ground. >> are republicans behind this effort? >> there are a number of republicans in long support of the dreamers and why we are starting with this. >> do you like your job? how do you feel about washington? >> listen, it is an amazing time to be a new congress person, we
were sworn in under a government shutdown. we've only been in eight weeks. it feels like a year or so. a lot has happened. it's a huge privilege. the most important thing is i want to make sure my constituents in the district are heard in washington. sometimes the midwesterners get lost in that conversation. >> you won't get lost here. we'd like to have you back any time you have something to say. message to media and twitter trolls and clickers, you have seen the stars of the freshmen congress women. thank you very much. great to have you on. coming up, billionaire, howard schultz has been actively talking about a run for president. he will lay out an agenda ahead on "morning joe." nda ahead on "morning joe.
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exclusive news to get to. the president has just tweeted. it's important. sam is taking over the tweet desk. >> i'll be very quick. >> hurry. >> quote i greatly appreciate nancy pelosi's statement against impeachment. urch must remember the minor fact that i never did anything wrong. the economy and unemployment are the best ever. how do you impeach a man who is considered by many to be the president with the most successful first two years in history, especially when he has done nothing wrong and impeachment is for high crimes and misdemeanor. >> exactly. >> i'm not sure he read speaker pelosi's statement correctly. may be a strategy for her. upcoming plans for former starbucks ceo, howard schultz as he muscle a 2020 run for president. joining us is dylan byers.
good morning. i understand howard schultz has an event in miami. what do you expect to hear? >> sure. he's giving a speech at miami-dade college. what he will do the first time is lay out a vision what his presidency would be opposed to a vision of what it would not be. that would include a number of specific promises, including a promise not to sign any legislation unless it has bipartisan support, a promise not to nominate any supreme court nominee who does not have two-thirds support in the senate. he will also promise to have a cross partisan cabinet of republicans and democrats and independents and interestingly also pledge to have more women in his cabinet than any previous president. in addition to specific promises he also is going to lay out a number of priorities involving reducing the power of the executive branch, addressing issues like gerrymandering and
the federal budget. >> we will be watching that speech closely. thanks for bringing details. we will let howard schultz flesh that out in miami. i think he felt he weathered the storm being attacked by democrats even considering the possibility of running and now getting to more details today. we'll follow that. on "morning joe," dozens of people including two hollywood actresses are facing charges in a multi-million dollar college entrance exam cheating scandal. the alleged scam focused on getting students admitted to elite universities across the country. plus, the faa is doubling down on its decision to allow u.s. airlines to continue operating the boeing 737 max 8 aircraft despite two different crashes. house speaker nancy pelosi has laid out a wait and see strategy when it comes to impeaching president trump. as sampso eloquently read, the president is tweeting about it
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on the application, i may have embellished a little bit. >> embellished? how much? >> minuscule, just a tab. >> oh. ambassador. my god, that is so weird. stamos' hair. no, that is amazing. back in the early '90s, aunt becky on full house was caught up in a cheating scandal to get her kids into school. now, life is amazing. life imitates art as actress lori laughlin is involved in a real scandal. there's no laugh track in this
one. welcome back to "morning joe." it is wednesday, march 13th. we have michael steele and kasie hunt. and peter baker and white house report information the "washington post," contributor, ashley parker, back from maternity leave! >> thank you. >> i saw you instagramming about being a little like, i don't know, like walking on the moon when you come back to work after having a baby. your baby is so cute! >> yes. going on maternity leave felt stressful and coming back after the baby is stressful. >> i will give you a oncesy for your baby you dress like a boy a lot. who else at this table is pregnant? who could it be? >> i doubt it's michael steele. >> peter?
not peter. it's not me. >> i am expecting a baby in august. we're so excited. >> so, kasie. kasie often asks for advice and her text yesterday, how do i tell management? my advice, come on "morning joe." we just told them. >> and you said, how about we do it in the next block. i haven't told my husband. >> "morning joe" baby. i can't wait. you have to bring it here. >> i will. >> you promise? >> i have to talk to my husband. >> i'm still working on ashley. there we go. >> this next story is our lead story. congratulations kasie. at least 50 people have been charged in the latest college scam ever to be president by the department of justice. this is incredible. the fbi is investigating a braise sen $25 million scheme
funded by wealthy parents including two hollywood actresses to get their children into elite colleges, yale, georgetown and the university of southern california. they're accused of paying bribes ranging from $200,000 to upwards of $6.5 million to college pren consultant, william singer. according to prosecutors, singer facilitated ways to help students cheat on entrance sxrams and be recruited as athletes-entrance exams-regardless of their abilities. in some places the kids didn't even play sports. singer allegedly had an imposter take s.a.t. tests and photoshop applications of others found on internet to bolster the applicants athletic credentials. singer pleaded guilty to a list of charges yesterday including obstruction of justice and money
laundering including agreeing to wear a wire and cooperating with the fbi. among the high profile people charged, actress felicity huffman paid $15,000 for one daughter to have extended time on a college entrance exam and explored ways to boost her other daughters' scores. she was arrested and released on $250,000 bail yesterday. actress lori lauoughlin and her husband agreed to pay two bribes to boost their two daughters' chances of getting into usc. the investigators say the colleges themselves are not a target of the ongoing investigation and no students charged. the scheme operated from 2011 up until last month. willie, i find this staggering on so many levels, reading deeper into the story, one of these actresses, there's a lot of e-mails going back and forth where they openly talk about cheating for their kids.
the other thing i find staggering is because many of these universities are world renowned and have an unbelievable code of integrity, where coaches took money to make this happen. >> a lot of these schools quickly jumped out, said, whoa, we didn't know about this, this is a coach who went on his own freelancing faking money. it is kind of a tangled web. this guy, singer, who ran a college counseling college prep company for profit company in one case took $1.2 million from one set of parents, the parents asking him to get their kid into yale. singer sets the plot in motion, creates a fake soccer profile saying this young woman played soccer. she did not play soccer. calls the soccer coach at yale saying there's money in it for you if you can help her get in. the woman gets into yale at
which point he gives the soccer coach $400,000 of this $1.2 million, this one set of parents paid $1.2 million to get their daughter into yale and it worked because the soccer coach agreed to cooperate. >> you think about, there's also a coach at georgetown. this is -- i just -- i'm not sure where this goes. there's 50 other people arrested. >> you look at this level of privilege, you would think that, you know, you wouldn't have to. you've prepared your kids presumably put them in the best programs when they were in grade school and middle school and high school, and yet they still find the need to cheat. what it says, i think, about the ethics and the ideas that, you know, the krer supposedly adhered to have just been
shattered, just the economic disparity, the poor families trying to get their kids into these same schools don't have $1.2 million to write a coach. >> how about the cost of college itself? people are walking around with debt they'll never get off their backs. >> i don't understand what these people are teaching their children. why would you -- and how does the accomplish the goal of sending your kids to college is supposed to accomplish, giving them the life skills to succeed in the world. i'm very grateful my parents taught me this kind of thing was extraordinarily wrong. >> good lord. not that i'm perfect, at least i was never confused about what was right and what wasn't. >> you guys are on the front end of this early on. i have to say my son is in high school and the culture is nuts. my son is only in ninth grade. all his class thinks about is college and read a book on
christmas vacation how to get into college. it has gone outside of control and privilege of the parents is also out of control. i don't know how you get that back into the bottle, doesn't make sense, people are overwhelmingly intent only these small set of schools, everything else is acceptable. there are great schools in this country, wry do you have to be in these three or four. >> i don't know how these colleges themselves could have known about these coaches acting. having said that, they're going to have to take this on and figure out a way to give people a sense of trust again, that there is some fairness in the way they operate in accepting students. this will continue. it will be fascinating. both these actresses have hosted quite large -- and this whole thing is nuts. it's also refreshing not to basic talking politics. as we continue, the european
union becomes the latest to issue a directive banning all 737 max 8 planes after the ethiopian airlines crash, the latest of the countries to ban the jet including australia, aeromexico, india grounded the aircraft, along with the uk and even banned them from traveling in their country's airspace. not on the list, the united states of america. a statement last evening by acting faa administrator reads the faa continues to review extensively all available data and aggregate safety performance from the operators and pilots of the boeing 737 max 8. nor have other civil aviation authorities provided data to us that would warrant action. in the course of our urgent review of data on the ethiopia
airlines flight data recorder, if any issues are identified, the faa will take immediate and appropriate action. a boeing spokesperson said the company ceo spoke with president trump yesterday to assure him about the safety of the 737 max 8 planes saying he quote made it clear he is absolutely confident in the safety of the airplanes. republican senators mitt romney and ted cruz joins calling to ban the plane from u.s. airspace. romney tweeted, out of abundance of caution for the flying public, the faa should ban the 737 max 8 until we ensure the plane's air worthiness. this comes as reports surface u.s. pilots reported concerns about the jet. they found five complaints in a
public federal database of 737 max safety mechanism after takeoff, which was also cited in preliminary reports about an october boeing 737 max 8 crash in indonesia that killed 189 people. the "wall street journal" meanwhile reports since that indonesian crash, boeing and the faa have been working on an extensive software fix for the flight control system in these airplanes. this is where it gets political. the fix scheduled to get rolled out the end of april will be a major fix how boeing fixes the stall feature in the plane. it was to be due out in january but u.s. officials said it was attributed to a delay halting work on it for five weeks. peter baker, how confident should we be the president's conversation with the boeing ceo
should assure us these planes are safe. he's had a lot of conversations with dictators where he take theirs word for it. >> i worry the president is making decisions. you want the people designing the systems and planes to be experts. we don't have a full-time confirmed faa chief there. the president tried to put his own personal pilot in there for the faa. this is a sign the system is not yet ready to go. >> the president is also someone who fancies himself in another area of expertise, aviator in chief. he's obsessed with planes. he loves to go up to the cockpit. >> he's obsessed with having a plane is just my experience. >> and runways. something he takes a lot of interest in. you can imagine a world in which he perhaps thinks he's the one qualified to weigh in on this. >> yesterday, we said it should be simple. the planes are too complex. look at the numbers. they're much saver today.
taking this latest aside we have one-third fewer crashes back when planes were simpler in the 1990s, one-fourth in the 1990s when they were simpler. that's not the question. what the heck is he weighing in on this? not his area of expertise. >> didn't hear anything about the safety expert the white house consulted with. he spoke to the ceo. i think ceos are worried about protecting the company and bottom line. this is a huge financial story and could have a massive economic impact if they were grounded in the u.s. and i wonder how much that factors into this decision. >> i wonder houthi ceo of boeing, exactly what i was going to say, is worried about the flip side of the risk of this. these crashes happened very far from american shores. if there is one of these planes flying american fleets, southwest fleets, something like this happens here, before they get this software updated, that's going to be such a blow
of such enormous magnitude for them. it strikes me they're taking a real political risk by not agreeing to pull these planes down. >> i think that's the real key point for me at least. either everybody else is completely wrong on this and overreacting to it or the faa is taking a very very risky position in trying to protect its shareholders' interest in boeing, its stock value. if god forbid something does happen, what do you say to the american public? call the president and work it out. >> the fix that was supposed to be in place was put off by the government shutdown, by the trump shutdown. already politics has impacted possibly safety at boeing. willie. >> one other thing to note on this, historically, the faa has always taken the lead in the world around this and the rest of the world has fallen in line. what the eu is saying, australia
and other countries and airlines around the world are saying, we can't wade for the faa. we believe this plane is not air worthy anymore. we need to take it down and that was a sentiment echoed by ray lahood, former secretary of transportation. let's put the stops on this before we take it down from the sky. the "los angeles times" said democrats heed nancy pelosi's call that impeaching president trump wasn't worth the effort. and some of it was bipartisan. they agree but don't want impeachment off the table. >> the only thing worse than putting the country through the trauma of impeachment is trauma of a failed impeachment. >> let's take it off the table right now. we have a lot of research we still need to do. >> i think we both believe we should wait for the mueller
report. she commented what her standard would be once the mueller report comes back. >> we are at the beginning of a process that we on the judiciary committee will block having any action in a hearing or investigation into some of the things out there being alleged about this president and this white house. that is now the process we started under a democratic chairman, nadler, we have 81 requests out. hopefully we don't have to subpoena and hopefully get all that information and undergo the process. that leads us to whether or not what has happened to impeach him. we're not there yet. >> let's actually have a capri process and investigation. these are really serious criminal activity he's being allegedly being said that he's doing out of the oval off fis and something that should be investigated. >> this is to hold him
accountable to the constitution i took an oath to uphold. >> thank you, nancy pelosi, for putting brakes on impeachment. you heard pretty good message discipline from democrats yesterday. >> nancy pelosi has laid out a standard here, pretty tough standard that it has to be compelling, overwhelming and bipartisan. that's a reflection of history. it has shown impeachment is not successful unless it is bipartisan. here's the trick. in this environment today what that means, you need 20 republican senators who say, we want to convict the person in a trial. there's no evidence at the moment there is anything like that kind of movement out there. what she's saying is, let's not go down this road unless we see something dramatically different than we see today. maybe this they will come up with something that is so dramatic and decisively proves what they're talking about and
that will change the dynamic. for now, it is not there. >> and it might not change this. part of what the new caucus is saying even since nancy pelosi made that statement, we don't know and also could not reveal anything that is at this point anything that could be acted on. it may be when president trump leaves of leaves office, when the southern district of new york has a stronger case against him why he might be running for reelection hard, some might say. it seems strategic for nancy pelosi to pull back. >> exact lay. she left some wiggle room if the mueller report reveals something or investigations reveal something, but this all impeachment all the time -- >> is destructive.
>> what heartens the white house. talking to trump aides, they believe the democrats are going to overreach on impeachment, the comments, 81 subpoenas on investigation and they think that politically will be the thing that saved the president after all. >> do you think somebody could translate for nancy pelosi to some members of the democratic party, if you keep talking about impeachment, if you obsess over impeachment, go cravenly down the road towards impeachment, you will elect donald trump. >> nancy pelosi will win. that's what she wants more than anything. she has a pretty good track record of winning. her message is focused around the vast majority of the track record. you had elissa slotkin on a few minutes ago. they do not benefit. it seems to animate republicans such as the fight over justice
did. the question of precedence, if in fact what we have seen from the president already, it's pretty remarkable what he's done. if collectively we find something but still no political will for impeachment, does that set a bad precedent. are we at the point no matter what this president does his supporters are with him? is it possible there will ever be a political turn nancy pelosi describes. >> he has about 90% of republicans. as long as he has that, look what happened to flake and corker. and it goes beyond this presidency. if this president is found to have done things interpreted as impeachable offenses if the house chooses not to act on it or acts and does not succeed, how does that set the bar for future presidents if he or she has done something even more
dramatic. >> part of the answer to that is the instant rush to the impeachment conversation in the first place. when you make that the first thing you put on the table you diminish the power and effectiveness of it and authority behind it. as the members noted in the clips we heard, this is a process but inherently a political process. the result is based on the politics of the moment with a 90% base support for donald trump, a senate that has no will to move on impeachment, where does that leave the house? it leaves the house in the exact same position newt gingrich found the house under bill clinton, moved precipitously and paid the price later on. to your point, that's what the speaker is trying to avoid. >> you can learn from the past. thank you. what's your baby's name, ashley? >> mezarine. kasie, if you have a boy, joe is
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i think when matt whittaker said, even though he shouldn't have been talking about it, the mueller report was coming to a conclusion, probably saying that on the basis of information he had. the big question is are we going to get to see both the report and underlying evidence. the justice department has been sending out signals to employ a double standard even though it provided 880,000 pages at least of discovery to the congress in the clinton e-mail investigation, it appears to have no intention of employing the same standard and giving the same amount of evidence to a democratic congress. that would be a colossal mistake. the department would be rightly accused of being partial, not impartial. it would certainly frustrate our work in congress. it would mean we have to reinvent the wheel, recreate all the steps mueller has gone through. >> willie geist has a question from new york. >> good to see you, congressman.
you said more than two years ago in an interview with chuck todd of msnbc, you believed there was 0 more than circumstantial evidence, you thought the president had colluded with russia in 2016. do you believe you've proven that case and if so, what's the evidence of it? >> what i said is there is both direct and circumstantial evidence of collusion with the russians. in the public domain, you can look at the e-mails that went to don jr. offering dirt on hockey hillary clinton part of what was described to the president's son as the russian government's effort to help the trump campaign. his response in writing was he would love that help. they took an overt act in fort worth rance of that agreement, conspiracy by meeting in trump tower. they got dirt and dissatisfied with the quality and lied about the meeting. >> do you believe that proves conclusion or conspiracy?
>> what i've said all along and beginning two years ago, as you point out until the present date, there is ample evidence of conclusion. whether that evidence amounts to proof yaubeyond a reasonable do of criminal conspiracy we have to wait for bob mueller on that. still my view. whether it's the trump tower meeting or such as paul manafort providing polling data, not top line data but raw data to someone linked to russian intelligence, there aren't innocent explanations for all of this. you might have an innocent explanation for one of these things but not in the more than 100 contacts. >> you said the president himself you had seen more than circumstantial evidence that he had colluded with the russians, what is that evidence? >> i'm referring to the trump campaign. in terms of the president's own
conduct, the best evidence of his complicity, the fact he has been so deceptive about all of these contacts time after time. the fabrication of that statement about the trump tower meeting where the president played a lead roll, perhaps dictating the statement this was about adoptions. that's a pretty active cover-up. as we have seen with watergate and elsewhere, it's often the cover-up that gets you in trouble. >> have so many questions. could we do rapid fire? with respect to the mueller report beingmated public, there are steps you could make, subpoena mueller. report being made public. and have you explored those ideas or considering them? >> we are certainly considering whatever is necessary to make sure this is not buried. the public gets to see this report. more than that, we have access
in congress to the supporting evidence. we can bring mueller in to testify and we take it to court if necessary. i want to make one further point. that is this. i wholly concur with what the speaker said regarding impeachment. that does not let the justice department off the hook. if the justice department takes the position you can't indict a sitting president but we're not going to share the evidence with congress that it would need to determine whether impeachment is warranted, that amounts to immunity for the president. when the speaker says the evidence has to be clear and compelling, that doesn't obviate the need for the justice department to present to congress that evidence. >> sure. the last question, michael cohen, there were what seemed to be inconsistencies of his testimony especially around the issue of request for pardon.
we have guiliani's camp and others whether they floated the idea of a pardon. those seem directly relevant to the issue of impeachment whether a pardon was dangled. how do you get to the bottom of it and the fact this witness may not have been completely truthful with congress. >> we questioned about the dangling of pardons and communication with the president or people on his team. we have also sought and received in part documentary evidence that goes to this question. we'll be releasing his transcript at the appropriate point. we may have to interview other witnesses before we do so. the public can judge the credibility question. as is always the case, you look for corroboration. there may very well be corroboration what mr. cohen has to say in part. there are other things we might
to bring in on this subject. it's important not to forget, as we search for answers to the question, was the president dangling pardons for this witness and others, we can't forget he's doing this quite out in the open. the fact this is overt doesn't make it any better. >> it numb people to what was happening. >> it does. we're looking into a secretly overt way to corrupt the investigation does not change he's se ket -- secretly doing this and not taking a pardon for paul manafort off the table. >> if you are able to view the entire report and that does not contain the conversation, should that be the end of this conversation about russia? >> it may be the end of the conversation about impeachment.
whether this president criminal or not -- >> should it be the end of the conversation about impeachment? >> if there's insufficient evidence in the mueller report and we're not able to produce sufficient evidence in our own investigation, that ends the inquiry. there may be grounds for removal of off fis or grounds for in diameter after he leaves office the congress discovers, one of the things the mueller report may not cover is whether they were laundering money for the trump organization. is this president compromised by a foreign power. just give one very graphic illustration may or may not be criminal and was deeply deeply compromising, the president was trying to negotiate the most lucrative business deal of his life during his presidential campaign, concealing it from the public, trying to get the kremlin's help and knowing if he crossed putin he would never get that money. hundreds of millions of dollars. when it was discovered, his
answer was, well, why should i miss out on those business opportunities? it may still be the view of this president if he's not reelected, why should he miss out on that trump tower deal? that may stay his hand when it comes to confronting putin. >> so many questions. thank you so much. you're working to answer them. we appreciate it. thank you. tomorrow, the senate is expected to vote on legislation to block the emergency declaration for a border wall and the power to declare national emergency in the future. that story is ahead on "morning joe." "morning joe.
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the chamber will vote on it tomorrow. democrats had enough republican support to overturn the president's declaration, sending it to his desk where he is expected to veto the plan. mcconnell also confirmed yesterday senate republicans are looking at ways to reform the use of emergency declaration powers. the includes the plan of senator mike lee from utah for legislation to shift from powers from the president to congress. thanks. it would amend the national emergencies act to say any declaration would automatically expire after 30 days unless both chambers of congress vote to keep it. both republican senators have thrown their support behind the legislation. according to the "washington post," lee's plan would give gop lawmakers uneasy about the constitutionality of trump's declaration, yet nervous about publicly rebuking him, some
political cover. that's why i say, thanks, mike lee sarcastically. they will do this so the president can do what he's doing but not set a precedent, so when democrats want to do something real like guns they won't be able to? >> won't be able to. >> great. >> it's the early block and tackle. the fact is let's put on the table what's happening. republicans have no courage on this. >> none. >> to have four or five republicans peel off and vote against the president on this is meaningless. give me the 67 in the senate. the real test is whether or not you override the president's veto. that's the vote that matters. this early vote, if you're not coming to the table with the vote and serious about what's happening here and think it's constitutionally impermissible, not good for the president and country for the president to do what he's doing, put in place the vote to override the veto. don't act like martyrs, we're
sacrificing something, we're breaking from the president. you're breaking for the president or standing for the country. >> you can't take a principled stand and have just one exemption. doesn't really work like that. a lot to get to. despite billions have dollars spent since september 11th, a number of terror organizations remain a threat today. a new approach to extremist ideologies, and elizabeth warren joins us at the top of the hour. "morning joe" will be right back. "morning joe" will be right back last years' ad campaign
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to the physical army. we have to deal with the physical and ideological. we have to focus why young kids are getting recruited. >> 1.6 muslims in the world, 32% are younger. what does that tell you? >> it is shocking to me. i traveled all over the world on behalf of our country. nearly 100 countries. muslim and muslim majority countries as well as muslims living as minorities are having a crisis of identity. that was really shocking for me to see. we all know kids go through an identity crisis in adolescence who they are. something profound has happened to demographic of muslims a billion strong under the age of 30 around the world. at the same time they're going through this identity crisis asking what it means to be muslim and seeing the word islam or muslim on the front page of
papers online and offline everyday, at that very same time the bad guys know they're having a crisis of identity and are giving them answers to lure them into their own after 9/11, had to go to afghanistan and defend the attacks on this country, most of us agree on that. what could the united states have done differently in the months and years that followed that might have changed the trajectory? >> we have been lazy on hate. we have been looking at this issue like somebody else is going to deal with it. government doesn't want to deal with the emotional things and complicat complicated things around it. congress hasn't given the money to the ideological war as the physical war. using their cultural listening skills to see what is happening to them. citizens have not been focused on the rising hate, globally. what we have to do today is
focus on the ideological component by scaling up the things we already know that work. some of those things include programs like from extremists who have come back from the bad guys, have said we don't buy into that ideology anymore and work one-on-one with people beginning to find affinity with that us versus them ideology. >> casey hunt is in washington with a question for you. casey? >> thank you. what role is president trump playing in combatting or exasperating the problem you are talking about. >> it's important to understand, when a president with any party, i have worked with president bush and president obama, i am not making a political statement here. his or her words travel around the world and they are heard by young people going through this crisis of identity thinking the
bad guys want you to believe there's an us and there's a them. when they hear the american president say things like we are done, we are finished, we have defeated it or islam is bad or muslims are bad, that buys into the narrative the bad guys want you to believe. it's important to understand the context of what is taking place and know that what we can be doing is puncturing the us versus them by lifting up youth voices that connect to peers that push away that ideology. >> michael? >> yes. i appreciate what you are saying there. i'm still struggling with the reality and i'm curious as to how you see it and how you address it. reality being this, it's not just what we see happening in the middle east in terms of the influence of, you know, these extremist points of view. you have this global nationalistic world view of
things. the us versus them, we want our country back, we don't want foreigners or strangers here. how does all of that contribute to this environment and how do these maichbs of, you know, media and social agendas and so forth, how do the new voices emerge in a way to push back on this hate and tribalism? >> i'm really happy you raised that question because, in fact, it seems like a problem that is too difficult to solve. what i know, having been in this since 9/11, solutions are available and affordable. we have tested things. we have built and designed programs that use cultural listening, but not at the scale we need to see. so, i was referring to former extremists that have a credible voice to talk to a young person and move them away from that ideology. we can use their voices. all these young people coming back from syria, who have seen
the real deal. you are correct when you say, there are more muslims, frankly, outside of the middle east than in it. we need to understand that ideology is global. it is everywhere. we can't be focusing on a veeren of the world. it's part of a mistake we have made. we thought about this is what's happening, this part of africa or in the middle east. we think we can solve things by doing this. young people, the demographic we are talking about, the millennials are connected, as you know, digital natives, hearing what peers are saying all over the world. they are connected in places where their parents and communities may not see. they are getting direction from them. we need those voices to be able to be scaled up to say, this is what we have seen and why you shouldn't go in that direction. i believe that each of the sectors defined in this book are important because it can't be government that goes in, it has
to be the talent and understanding that other communities you raise. >> fascinating conversation. folks will have to read the book for an explanation of the army. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. the book is "how we win." how you can defeat the extremist threat. the book is available now. >> thank you. it's not something you see every day, ted cruz publicly agreeing with elizabeth warren. why the texas republican is backing the massachusetts democrat on a key issue. senator warren is minutes away on that and much, much more, here on "morning joe." more, here on "morning joe." we just got married. we're all under one roof now. congratulations. thank you. how many kids? my two. his three. along with two dogs and jake, our new parrot. that is quite the family. quite a lot of colleges to pay for though. a lot of colleges. you get any financial advice? yeah, but i'm pretty sure it's the same plan they sold me before. well your situation's totally changed now. right, right. how 'bout a plan that works for 5 kids,
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as a parent, how much sympathy would you have in this cheating scandal? >> zero. >> okay. would president warren ground the boeing 737? >> yes. >> brexit? >> having our close ally, great britain in economic turmoil is not helpful to us. we need them to be strong. >> how would president elizabeth warren neutralize the missile programs when the last four presidents have not been able to do so? >> it's a tough one. you have to start by acknowledging that. don't head off to a summit without doing your homework. the tough part has got to be sitting down with the north koreans. it's the pain staking work of diplomacy, what they need, what we can supply, how many allies we can bring in to put pressure on north korea.
the idea of giving north korea what they want, the photo-op with the president of the united states and get the president of the united states to say what china has always wanted them to say about how provocative it is that we are doing military exercises with our allies, the south koreans and japanese is giving things up without getting anything in return. i guarantee that's not a path to success. >> it doesn't appear there was a lot of advance work for the summits. >> that's the problem. you can't walk into these things and somehow think that a personality and eye-to-eye is going to take care of it. it's hard work. >> is saudi arabia and ally of the united states? >> it is officially. it is an ally we have to keep pushing on this relationship. right now, it's gauged in a war in yemen that the united states has gotten itself deeply
threaded into without any authorization from congress. in addition, the killing of a journalist is just a reminder that saudi arabia is a government right now that does not believe in accountability. that's the job of a journalist, to hold people, hold officials accountable. they wipe one out and, so far, the response of the trump administration has been nothing. >> what would be your public position on saudi arabia right now? what would you be saying and telegraphing? >> so, it's both. the killing is absolutely unacceptable. there needs to be accountability in the government for that. but it would also be to say no on yemen. we are not going to supply arms. we are not going to be helpful for a war in yemen. yemen is now one of the biggest manmade humanitarian crises of
the last half century. and the united states plays a role in this through its ally, saudi arabia. for a long time, we were actually picking bombing sights, even. we refueled airplanes, sold weapons, working hand in glove with them in a war we have no business being in. >> name one or two pentagon programs that could be eliminated? >> interesting. >> it's a trick. >> it is. can i describe quha what the range is? >> yeah. >> we have to stop the pentagon from building the best possible 20th century military and urge the pentagon over to the 21st century military. here is my example of that. a lot of new tech. a lot of new cyber. the 21st century threats and the 21st century responses are not places where a 20th century
military has real strength. it's more about conventional weapons and large armies and so on and the ability to engage in shooting wars around the world. the problem kind of coherent problem at the pentagon is that there's always somebody in the room to defend an existing program, no matter how old it is, no matter how much circumstances have changed. somebody is at the head of that program. somebody hands out the dollars to the defense industry that promotes that prab. there's rarely somebody in the room for the next idea, for the place we need to be. yet, to have an effective military, we have to be on the front edge, not the back edge of development. i tell you where i would spend a lot more money, it's a small part of the pentagon budget, on research, development, cyber. that's the place we have to get the pentagon more focused in that direction. >> back to rapid-fire. >> sure. >> what has donald trump done
that could be considered impeachable? >> oh, come on now. no, here is my rule on this one. >> okay. >> we are about to get the mueller report. we have a lot of other information. let's wait until we have the mueller report, combine it with everything else we have seen. >> you agree with nancy pelosi's approach on this? >> i'm not sure where nancy is. >> he's not worth it at that point. >> that's not the point. what i see is the mueller report is coming. let's all take a look at the mueller report. when it comes, we will know exactly what to do. >> what was wrong, if anything, with the statements representative omar made about israel? >> the way i see it is that we should -- we are a great body in congress. it is important for us to be able to debate issues, to do so
respectfully anti-semitism or islam phobia should be called out and condemned. when she is doing that, then that's a problem. here's the part i really want to make strong, we have to be a place that can have robust discussion. not any semitism, not islamphobia, but robust discussion. that's what we need to have. >> what is it about bernie sanders that makes him so popular with progressives? >> he fights for what he believes in. we have been friends -- >> he is at the top of the list with polls except for biden, if he runs. >> that's right. i have been friends with bernie long, long before i ended up in politics. he is fighting for what he believes in. that means a lot to people.
>> two more. is mike pence an honorable man? >> no. >> okay. would you like to expound upon that? >> sure. anyone who engages in the kind of homo phobia and attacks on people who are different from himself is not an honorable person. that's not what honorable people do. >> should bill clinton have left office after having an affair with a much younger staffer in the white house? >> i don't know. i can't go back and litigate the 1990s. that one is beyond -- >> the 1990s get us here, to an extent? >> of course it did, but i don't have a time machine to go back and change the '90s. i can only change going forward. >> willie geist, you can take over. >> i want to ask you about your medium post last week where you talked about the break up of big tech. it's time to break up amazon,
google and facebook. it was more nuance than the headline. can you explain what you meant there? >> sure. let's use amazon. they run two kinds of businesses. one, it runs a platform. that's the place where all the small businesses come and they trade and they buy and sell. amazon runs that platform, but also sucks out tons of information from every single transaction. it then uses that information that nobody else is privy to to look out and say, oh, there's a profitable business. we think we'll go into competition with them. so, it then puts out a product in competition with the pillow sales guy and moves the profitable business back to page 6 and puts amazon right at the front, amazon's own business. so, the way i see this, it's a little like baseball. we'll use a baseball analogy
here. you can be the umpire, that's the platform, or you can have a team in the game, that's running these individual businesses that meet on the platform. but, you don't get to do both simultaneously. i think they ought to be broken apart. >> another way to explain is take apple. obviously, a very popular company. it has an app store. do you believe apple should be able to sell its own apps on the app store? >> it needs to do one or the other. either it runs the platform, the app store, or selling its own products on the app store, but doesn't do both simultaneously because when ever it does, it has this enormous competitive advantage that wipes out all the other little businesses. in fact, did you know, willie, o it's now referred to, this zone around folks like apple and google and amazon, anyone that moves into the competition space, it's called the kill
zone. venture capitalists are investing about 20% less than they used to on these start-up companies because they know if they go into the kill zone, one of two things will happen. they will either get gobbled up by the giant or wiped out by the giant but they won't have a chance to grow and develop into what they might have been. >> do you believe google, amazon and facebook are all monopolies by your definition? >> they are huge. they have market dominance and behave like monopolists. that's a big part of the reason they need to be broken apart. look at what happened with facebook. i don't know about you, but a lot of people are uneasy about how facebook handles their data. so, along comes what's app? right? what's app says, i tell you what we'll do, we'll give a lot better protection for your privacy.
a bunch of people move from facebook to what's app. now, that puts facebook in the position of doing one of two things. either they have to get better to meet the competition, that's what a good, robust market is about, or, if you are already huge and dominate the field, just buy the competition and take their data. facebook chose to do the latter. they shouldn't be allowed to do that. that is not furthering competition. you know, willie, i believe in markets. it's when markets have rules, when markets have cops on the beat to make sure the giants aren't gobbling up everyone else and eliminating competition. that's when markets work. >> would you work to stop 2012's facebook purchase of instagram? >> yep. here is the thing. it's possible to go back and do
it. look, we let this merger go through. often the mergers are on conditions, conditional that they are not going to do this or not going to do that. let the merger go through. look at it and say, turns out there are anti-competitive effects. if it does, we can go back and unwind and break the pieces apart. understand, for anybody who still wants to go on facebook and check out old college roommates or anyone who wants to go to amazon and price out 46 coffee makers and get the one that can be delivered in 24 hours or anybody who wants to go on google and check out the capital of north dakota, that will also still be possible. the platforms will still be there. what will be different is that the companies that are selling on those platforms will be in a real marketplace where they compete straight up, based on price and service and quality of
goods, not having the platform owner able to come in and have this enormous advantage to be able to scoop up all the business and kill off the little businesses the entrepreneurs and the start ups. >> you know, as you know well, senator, there's been a tension during the presidential campaign that's come from members of your party not running for president with capitalism versus socialism. you have said i'm a capitalist to the bone. you were asked sunday by john heilemann if you were a capitalist. yeah, i'm a capitalist. >> yeah. >> the programs you are going to add. how do you explain where you are on capitalism/socialism and where do they marry each other? >> look, i believe in markets. that's where this point about tech is all about. i see the benefits that markets can produce. i love the fact that there are a zillion people developing new
apps or starting new businesses or trying a second one. i think that's fabulous. i think it's great that little businesses are trying to get to be medium sized businesses. they are trying to get to be large businesses. but, understand this. markets without rules are theft. there's got to be rules and there's got to be a cop on the beat. you and i go a long way back. you remember back before the crash that what happened, basically, was the financial giants figured out they could make buckets of money by cheating their customers, mortgages, credit cards and sure enough, that's what they were doing. the cops on the beat, the regulators looked the other way, paid no attention. and the consequence was, big banks made a lot of money. they broke the backs of millions of families and ultimately crashed our economy. that's why we needed rules. so, i came in with the idea the
consumer financial protection bureau. we got that bureau in place and now you begin to see a much more level playing field. when there's a cop on the beat, those markets start to work again and banks, in that case, are forced to develop their profit models, not on cheating people, but on actually offering a better product. now, wells fargo proves they are willing to get out there and try to cheat people, but at least we had cops who caught them and hauled them in and are trying to make changes in the company. that's what it takes. markets have a lot to produce, but only if they have rules and if they have a cop that is enforcing those rules. >> senator, despite the flaws, some of which you laid out there, capitalism is a force for good? >> yes, i do. i think it also, when it doesn't work, it's been a force for bad. that's been true of every form
of government we can identify. we have gotten it right sometimes and gotten it wrong sometimes. when you let markets work with rules and with people on the beat to enforce those rules, we can produce a lot of wealth in this country. that's what we have done for a very long time. we have to recognize there are areas where markets don't work. health care, for example, somebody having a heart attack is not somebody who is going to shop around to six different emergency rooms and say which one is going to give me the best price? education. public education. that's not a place where a market works. but, there are places where markets do work. coffee makers, pet pillows. i'm in. we need robust markets for those. that's how we produce. by the way, that's how we ended up producing the amazon's and
go googles and facebooks of the world. the fact markets could grow incredible, incredible businesses. >> let me close by asking you, a lot of people think democrats are most interested in having someone who can beat trump and trump is a street fighter and he plays by unfair rules. i feel like, just my opinion here, hillary clinton was a bit boxed in on the debate stage, especially on issues pertaining to massageny and sexism. it's an area she was extremely uncomfortable. how would nominee, elizabeth warren handle president trump on the debate stage. would you call him on on treatment of women and his record and how would you fight back when he calls you names? i want to know what this looks like. >> i am not afraid of anyone. and, particularly not donald trump. people have told me, for most of
my life, what's too hard to get done. my response has always been to fight back. the consumer agency, right? so, after the big crash -- >> the financial protection bureau. >> that's right. i came in and said we need this agency. you know what people in washington said to me? two things. the first is, that is a great idea. that would actually change the world. >> yeah. >> the second is, don't do it. don't even try. it's too hard. you won't be able to get it done. you will be up against the banks. they will spend millions of dollars a day lobbying against this. my response was, i got in the fight. i got in the fight and stayed in the fight. today, the consumer agency -- >> are you afraid to get into his face when one needs to? >> not even a little bit. >> okay. all right. you got it going. senator elizabeth warren, thank you very much. it's great to have you. come back anytime. still ahead on "morning
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grounded the plane. here in north america, the airlines and importantly their pilots unions are really standing behind this plane saying it is premature to ground it until we know what caused the other two crashes. three days since flight 302 crashed, investigators still haven't reviewed the plane's black boxes. the ceo of ethiopian airlines says it will be sent to another country for analysis, either the u.s. or in europe. he sees similarities with last october's lion air crash in indonesia that he calls troubling. meanwhile, growing calls for the u.s. to join the rest of the world in grounding the 737 max 8. in congress -- >> it makes sense to ground aircraft that's been involved in two tragic accidents in six months. >> reporter: even american airlines flight attendants. >> they are concerned about their safety and the safety of
customers who we care for every day. >> reporter: americans fly the max 8, united flies the longer, max 9. pilots are trying to reassure their passengers. >> i'm 100% comfortable. >> reporter: the max 8 is grounded in most of the world, it is still flying in the u.s. and canada. faa says, so far, there's no hard evidence to grounding it. >> if an issue that affects safety is identified, the department and the faa will not hesitate to take immediate and appropriate action. >> reporter: a former top faa and ntsb investigator says the u.s. should not give in to global pressure. >> i hope they follow aeronot cal engineering principles, evidence and facts before they simply ground an airplane due to
an unknown public fear. >> reporter: meanwhile, at the crash scene in ethiopia, families have been gathering in anguish as the eight americans who died are being remembered back home including antoine lewis, a service member. >> scream to the heavens to ask why but i already know the answer, because god doesn't make mistakes. >> reporter: and matt, an avid surfer headed to a u.n. summit in kenya. >> he was better than a normal human. he was an exceptional person. >> reporter: 157 lives cut short. you may recall yesterday, president trump tweeted something right about now in which a lot of people took some confusion. he said the follow, airplanes are becoming far more complex to fly. pilots are no longer needed, but rather computer scientists from
m.i.t. he went on to say, i see it all the time and always seeking to go one unnecessary step, then he said, essentially, i want great flying professionals that are allows to easily take control of a plane. as you expect, a lot of people concerned about that. planes are more automated and computerizeed and more people die in balloon accidents, thank god than plane accidents. we haven't had a serious plane accident in many, many years. the boeing ceo got on the phone with the president saying please don't ground the 787 max, he believes it is safe. the faa is standing by their decision not to ground the plane. >> it's willie. we had problems with flying over the united states in the 737 max 8. what is the harm in grounding the planes until they sort
through the problems? the former transportation secretary, ray lahood came out and said let's ground the planes and look at the problem. >> reporter: by the way, we reported that on the "today" show this morning. it's a very small number of pilots. there is a system, a way to report problems, concerns, complaints anonymously for pilots. a very small number suggested they, too, experienced issues with the nose pitching forward. however, the airlines are coming out saying we have absolutely zero reports of any u.s. pilot dealing with this kind of issue. some pilots anonymously reporting they have experienced something, the airlines and maintenance teams saying they have not heard of problems. to address your issue, should they ground the plane until they know for sure? the faa and ntsb are science and data based. they are trying to stick to that
now. >> tom, thank you very much. up next on "morning joe" -- >> dad, what are you doing here? >> oh, sweetheart, we are doing a story on your s.a.t.'s, live, up close and personal. >> dad, it's just a test. >> yeah, right. >> so, d.j., how is it going? >> it's terrible. it's a disaster. >> this could be humiliating. let's watch. >> aunt becky heaped the pressure on to poor d.j. to get into a good school. prosecutors say lori loughlin found another way when it came to her own daughter's college prospects. keep it here on "morning joe." e prospects. keep it here on "morning joe." ♪
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oversight and government reform, kurt. good panel. everybody, this is the story of the day, i think. believe it or not, it is not about donald trump. but, this cheating scandal. it defies to me, logic on so many levels. what is your gut? >> i was working yesterday on those things with the tvs on, no sound. i saw this come up on the screen, it said, felicity huffman accused. i said what can she be accused of? >> "desperate housewives," come on? >> i was arrested for the next couple hours. i was shocked. i can't remember the last time i was shocked by the way i was shocked by this. i was sickened and saddened because this touches every college in america. there's a relatively small
number of them that have been involved in this, including less visible colleges like yale that gets all the attention. this affects the entire system and when a kid is cheated into a school, someone was denied. there was someone who was playing by the rules who was denied the admission. that can be tragic at so many levels and i just got increasingly angry by it. anger and sadness and, i have to say, i glanced at twitter and i couldn't look at it. i couldn't take the jokes about this. >> right. >> they were funny and i get it. >> right. >> i took it in a deeply personal way and, i think everyone was looking at it going, i hope my college isn't on this list. it's true for most people. it's the kind of information
that lets america think the entire thing is corrupt. >> think about the college debt people are carrying. >> one quick point -- >> then we are going pause. >> one of the top levels of the pyramid of this, harvard, which was not involved. at harvard college, people don't understand, most of the students cannot afford to pay. two-thirds of them are on financial aid. they can't afford to pay tuition, let alone bribe their ways in. two-thirds are from america's public schools. but this story gives the impression that an entire top end of the college admissions game is completely corrupt and it's so unfair to every kid who is in every school in america today. >> just feeds into the feeling, the anger that fueled many people believe the results in 2016, that the system is rigged, wealthy people have special privileges, which they do. it is so angering to me.
i have been deeply involved for decades with my alma mater, as a trustee, a very active member. i know how rigorous the admissions process is and how we, as trustees don't have influence. we cannot bear influence. we say these are the standards. to see this kind of cheating, it's so damaging, actually to the kids who got in. >> right. to all of them. kids that didn't, either. >> it's also the immorality that is acceptable in this country today, on every level, that a parent will cheat on behalf of the child and the child is brought up in that kind of environment. and that we have a system where, i mean, truly, these people could have just written up checks to the colleges in their endowment and probably been successful like legacy kids are successful in many universities. but to go to this position of actually cheating the system and
bribing people is where we are -- >> it's where we are as a country, i totally agree with you. >> the guy running the conspiracy said to them, if you contribute to the institution, it won't work. if you contribute to the institution, it's not a guarantee. >> this is a guarantee. >> you must bribe your way in. he was saying the contribution doesn't work. >> he flipped. they got them. it seems dead to center with this with e-mails and audio. we will see what happens. all alleged for now. it looks horrible and you are right, it's where we are. >> wilbur ross testifies tomorrow before the house oversight? >> tomorrow. >> you say this is significant, why? >> one of the most fundmental tenants is. it's about funding and financing. republicans are trying to rig the census.
wilbur ross, for the first time in years asked a question about citizenship. he testified before congress saying this question came at the direction of the justice department. we found out later in lawsuits, that was not true. it was at the direction of steve bannon when he was the strategist at the white house. it came from the white house. he is caught three times lying to the house and congressional committees where the origin of this came from. it's gotten so bad, two times courts ruled this decision is illegal. it's unconstitutional, wilbur ross acted in bad faith. we are going to see a secretary of the congress be held accountable by democrats like congresswoman jackie spear sitting here and asked, why did you lie to us. >> a question for jackie, the fact that nancy pelosi set the tone on impeachment, do you agree with that and impeachment talk should be ground to a halt until something overwhelming
comes forward. if the mueller report reveals anything that is shocking and appalling, which it might not, but so many things have happened. i heard you talking last night, in plain sight. you know, the president engages in things. the president pushes his kids through for security positions, jobs and trips that are completely not prepared for in any way and have no experience that backs up why they are doing any of these things. you have cabinet secretaries leaving. scandals right and left, indictments. what do you think this president has done or what is your biggest question about this presidency, gimpb all the investigations at play? >> well, this president never played by the rules -- >> of course. >> in professional life or as president of the united states. the whole violation of the anti-nepotism law is just one expression of that where he turns them into volunteers and
as volunteers they are getting security clearances, except they don't pass the security clearances, but then he forces it. so, we have lived now for over two years with a reckless person in the white house who is undermining us all over the world. you can't go anywhere in europe right now without seeing heads of state wringing their hands because they can't -- they can't trust this country any longer. that's a terrible position to be in. we rely on them to join us in iraq and afghanistan and everywhere else in the world. >> we have to sneak in a quick break. more with this great panel, next. keep it here on "morning joe." next keep it here on "morning joe."
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your state, gavin newsome will sign a moratorium on capital punishment. do you support that move? >> well, i support gavin newsome, certainly. i think that the death penalty needs to be relooked at. i don't know if by executive order he is legally going to be challenged. it seems to me that would be something that would have to go through the legislature, since it's always been that way and initiatives have been used in california to change the death penalty from time-to-time. he was at the forefront -- >> support it? >> would i support it? yes. he was at the forefront of marriage equal any san francisco when he was san francisco of mayor. this does not surprise me at all. >> proposition 66 was supported in 2016 by a majority of your people in the state, which sped up the appeals process for the death penalty. is the governor defying the voters by signing this today?
>> i think he is presenting what his position is and taking action. whether or not the courts are going to be brought into this to prevent him from moving forward is something we'll have to wait and see. but, we all know that, you know, people, in terms of the cost to the state, it's much -- it makes much more sense to keep it in prison for the rest of their lives than allow them to be subject to the death penalty. >> okay. let's look at other topics of the day. andrea mitchell, paul manafort sentencing at 9:30. what are relooking at? >> a more deliberate sentencing from judge jackson than you sfrau judge ellis. i would refer to harry's piece in the "washington post," which he says she should not try to correct for the improper sentence imposed. go by the book, according to what is in front of her, which might be less than ten years,
7-8 years and he believes consecutive rather than concurrent but not to make up for the deficiencies of last week. that's not going by the book. >> oversight, looking at the issues, manafort, flynn, any of the witches lead to questions that oversight will be trying to compel people to get more answers. >> every time it comes out, whether it's through court filings, they bring in people and ask questions. remember, before all of these things came out, they have done a lot of work. >> yeah. >> a lot of interviews, depositions and on the record testimony. they get to fact check the answers from before and see if they were being truthful before. if not, they were held accountable. >> can they compel? they were asked for a lot of people to come. can they say no? >> they can try to say no and oversight can issue a subpoena. >> think that will happen? >> yes, in some cases, i think
it will and they will plead the fifth. >> paul manafort, lawrence o'donnell, you said looking at the sentencing, the last sentencing was a little controversial. your gut is, you are concerned about the parents in the college case. >> i'm worried about that sentencing now as a lesson to people. the word to listen for today is concurrent. that's the important thing. in a case like this, it would be very common for this judge, for a judge to, in a noncontroversial version of this kind of case, not so high profile to just say concurrent and whether, you know, whether four years or whatever it is. say for example if she added ten years and said concurrent, that's really only six years. it would mean four of the years were played out at the same time as the other sentencing. it's -- that's going to be the thing that tells us how much time he's really going to do. >> that's at 9:30. we'll cover that live here on
msnbc. let's talk 2020 real quick. joe biden, he's in, right? you have been covering him. >> firefighters are his base. they were with him the last that and before that, and he speaks to that part of the democratic base. the working class, the rust belt. but the question is, is he trailed by his background? is he trailed by his votes in the '70s, the 90s, what he did on the crime bill, on anita hill? is there forgiveness for that or is he the best and tough toast go up against donald trump in an election, can we get through a primary this diverse this young? i asked him about beto o'rourke, he says he's a good guy. he's trying to be above the f y fray, tough on president trump. speaking to the firefighters, he has been so outraged we have been concerned about, the 9/11 first responders who still don't
have funding for their survivors benefits, compensation. it's running out. and the fact is that they're cutting back on the benefits just to stretch out the money. the question now is, why not? and that's the kind of thing that he speaks to and he has been with them since the beginning out of his own pocket contributing to the fund. that's the humanity of joe wide him. whether that can translate in this environment. >> there is also an you a then tis the i to joe biden that we desperately need. and i think we've got a very robust lineup now and i think they're going to show the american people what real leadership is like as compared to what we have in the white house. >> willie geist. >> lawrence, i'm curious about your overall view at this point in the democratic field, we are waiting to hear from biden and beto. we had senator warren on a minute ago. when you look at that iowa poll, it's top heavy with biden and bernie in the 20s and falls down single digits afterwards.
how concerned should the rest of that field be if joe biden gets in in. >> well, one thung i should do is completely ignore the polls. these polls are really fun and that's all they are. the polls taken in iowa at this time last time showed hillary clinton at some prohibitive level astronomical and bernie sanders didn't register and so everything changes with the campaign. scott walker was the leader in the republican primary polls at this point four years ago. >> and rudy guiliani before that? yeah. >> oh my god! >> so these polls are literally laughable. they're really fun to play with, but they tell us nothing. the tests are going to start to happen on debate stages. people will listen to a candidate they've never listened to closely before, on that debate stage. some people are going to excel. that's where joe biden actually stood out in the 28 presidential campaign.
you had those front runners, hillary clinton and barack obama. a guy a lot of people listened to and were surprised to listen to was joe biden. >> that is by the way the way he ended up as number 2 on the ticket. so you have a freight field of vice presidential candidates there. one is definitely going to be the vice presidential candidate. one is going to be the presidential candidate. we don't know which ones. >> there could be more, stepping in. >> stephanie abrams. >> oh my god. it's been a lot of choices, i guess it's good. so a couple other questions as we are following major stories today, andrea mitchell, why warrant we leading? why isn't the u.s. leading on the boeing story on grounding the 737 max 8 jets? >> i got huge questions about that. >> yeah. >> is it because boeing is an american-based global company? is it because of influence? i don't know. but it's stunning to me, is it because our regulators in the era of trump are not aggressive enough? because you know a former
transportation secretary, a republican transportation secretary in a democratic administration said that we should be putting a ground halton them. i mean, what's the deal to put a ground halton? and then there was what you were reporting before, the shocking information that the fixes were held up, in part, by the five-week of -- >> so think about that with jackie speier, the shutdown affected a lot of people's lives, especially the federal workers, clearly. but the shutdown pushed off for five weeks, fixes that they wanted to make on these jets, that they are not going to start -- >> call me singlical, but sometimes i think that is used as an excuse. i actually think this is in the works a long time. it was convenient, potentially to say that the shutdown had that effect. there is no -- there is no ambiguity here, there is a serious problem. and for us to not put these
airplanes in a stop mode is i think a dereliction of duty. i wouldn't fly on one. >> you see congress has played a huge role in the past when it comes to any public safety issue, whether it was the beefy oil spill, the toyota sticky pedal issue. they will conduct an investigation and find out if there was a breakdown in communication and government safety because of the shutdown, when did it happen? how did it happen? oh, by the way, if the decisions right now are being made are based on influence from boeing and lobbying and money, they will get to that, too. >> lawrence o'donnell, you get the last word today on anything you want. go. >> you know, when we're on this, i just want to say something about ethiopian airlines, which i've flown on many times and fly on every year, it is really one of the great airlines. so i know people can think, well, you know, this wasn't american airlines. this wasn't delta, how much can you trust an airline like that? this is a modern airline, it is a great airline.
those crews are great and so my heart was broken when i saw that crash happen because that airline is one of the most responsible, serious airlines out there. and you can, you know, you can trust that airline. the likelihood of that being pilot error is as low as that could be in our best airlines. >> and that's because of the kind fund he flies so often? >> thank you very much, congresswoman jackie speier, great to have you on the show, andrea mitchell, we'll be watching you at noon eastern right here on msnbc. lawrence o'donnell has the last word. >> tonight. >> and curt bardella it's great to have you back on. we will be following the major story of the college cheating scandal all day and of course paul manafort's hearing in about a half an hour. >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the
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. hi will, i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, it is judgments day again. paul manafort back in court this morning for another sentencing on two charges of conspiracy. the spotlight now on a judge who could add ten years of prison time to last week's sentence. doubling down, the faa still says those boeing 737 max jets are safe to fly, despite more country's grounng