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but nothing excuses our silence. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday at 5:00 p.m. until then keep the conversation going. like us @facebook.com/politics nation. follow us on twitter. up next, "meet the press" with chuck todd. this sunday on the campaign trail -- beto o'rourke makes it official, he is running. >> i am running to serve you as the next president of the united states. >> he draws throngs of voters, lots of supporters and few specifics. >> if you have all of the answers, why show up? >> but in iowa, the texas democrat told me what sets him apart. >> there's one candidate that can talk about the profoundly positive impact that immigrants have had on our safety and security. and my one-on-one with senator amy klobuchar on her campaign. >> i wasn't born to run. but i'm running.
>> on whether she's a progressive. >> i'm in a getting things done mode and i'm a progressive. >> and on bringing down health care costs. >> pharma thinks they don't washington. they don't own me. >> and first veto. the senate votes to block the emergency declaration. and mr. trump strikes back. >> congress has the freedom to pass this resolution. and i have the duty to veto it. >> i'll talk to one of the 12 republican senators who voted against the president, pat toomey of pennsylvania. and the terror attack in new zealand. how white supremacy is being driven by a dark, internet culture. joining me for insight and analysis are -- jose diaz-balart. anchor on telemundo and nbc news. yamiche alcindo. white house correspondent. arthur brooks. president of the american enterprise institute. and susan page, washington bureau chief of "usa today." welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press."
>> from nbc news in washington, the longest running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. happy st. patrick's day. the race for the democratic nomination has been going on for some time now. but beto o'rourke's announcement on thursday, fairly or not, seemed to signal that the starting gun, at least on the campaign part of it, had just gone off. there have been a handful of eagerly awaited candidacies that matched the frenzy preceding his announcement. ted kennedy was the presumed candidate against president carter right until he announced. three decades later, a first-term senator barack obama rode his announcement enthusiasm all the way to the white house. and twice the prospect of a ronald reagan candidacy generated huge republican excitement. in 1976 when he lost the nomination to president ford and then in 1980 when he won the presidency in a landslide.
the o'rourke candidacy and the "vanity fair" cover story has drawn comparison. the gifted athlete like reagan. or the lights that flame out like john edwards. however o'rourke's candidacy begins, it's in full glare of a fascinated media. >> we'll make or break the future in this country. >> in iowa trailed by crowds and cameras, beto o'rourke is making it official. he's running. after an early morning announcement -- >> i'm running to serve you as the next president of the united states. >> that glossy "vanity fair" story saying i'm just born to be in it. and the expected attacks from the president. >> a lot of hand movement. i've never seen such hand movement. i said is he crazy or is that just the way he acts? >> while others run on signature policy proposals, o'rourke is belting on a national unity message an avoiding specifics. >> if you have all the answers
why show up? if you're not going to listen and to learn, what is the use of campaigning. he was once for medicaid for all. >> that's one of the ways to ensure we get the guaranteed high-quality health care for every american. i'm not sure that's the fastest way to get there. >> and he declined to say if president trump should be impeached. >> i leave it to congress. where the power resides in our constitution. >> one thing o'rourke did make clear -- he plans to run to the right of bernie sanders and elizabeth warren on economic issues. he is responding why the diverse party should select a white nominee and responded to the criticisms about these comments in iowa about his wife. >> my wife, raising, sometimes with my help, you ulysses and molly and haley. not only will i not say that again, but i will thoughtful the way i talk about our marriage and the way i acknowledge the truth of the criticism that i have enjoyed white privilege.
>> other democrats are raising money off of o'rourke's new candidacy. >> i'm delighted we have so many democrats who want to take on president trump. >> the more the merrier. >> do you have a comment on beto o'rourke getting into the race, senator? >> anybody can run. >> and then, joe biden nearly slipped up and declared himself a candidate a bit early. >> i have been criticized by the new left. i have the most progressive record for anybody running for -- anybody that would run. >> biden, clearly arguing electability, as democrats decide whether the 2020 race is about ideological transformation, generational change or simply who can win? >> the most electable progressive. the progressive part is important. >> how important is the electability to you? >> it's huge. >> yesterday, i was in waterloo, iowa. good to be back there. and i grabbed a few moments with o'rourke.
on his first weekend of campaigning. his campaign kicked off four months after his loss to senator ted cruz which yesterday was one of his favorite applause lines because it's one of the best cases he could make. because it was the best showing a democrat had in texas in decades in an election. >> when i heard you saying, you came up short. what if you hadn't? would you be in waterloo? >> i might be in waterloo. i don't know if i would be in waterloo and all of the communities i've been in, to run for president. i was running to serve my state in the united states senate. and i made the commitment that i was going to serve every one of the six years in public trust. i have an opportunity, now, to do something that i think the country badly needs or maybe i should put it this way. i get a chance to be part of something that the country badly needs. that's come together at this very divided moment. not just coming together for the
sake of it. although that's part of it but coming together to achieve the really ambitious goals together. >> you're not the first to say i'm going to bring this country together. a lot of people put their hope and thought and people thought he was the answer to do that. why didn't that happen in obama's eight years? what was hard and why do you think you'll be able to do it? >> i don't know. i know that president obama worked incredibly hard to find common ground with republicans and democrats alike. took a message to the entire country. but i'll say he was able to achieve a heck of a lot in those eight years. domestically you look at the accordable care act. millions of americans who lead better lives, many of the lives saved because of that legislation. in foreign policy, you prevented iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. and there were little and, perhaps, smaller victories along the way. all i know is that everyone i've
met, the most partisan democrat, the most hard core republican wants to see us come together. they want to make sure we get something done. they don't want the perfect to become the enemy of the good. if we wait until we are in office to begin this work, it will be too late. it has to start now in the way that we campaign. >> you admitted that, hey, you're in a party right now that isn't necessarily interested in a white male candidate. and you're a disadvantage in that. and the coverage of your campaign, some people have criticized oh, he's getting coverage that others are not getting. you tried to answer some of the criticism. what do you say to it? >> i would never begin saying i am at any disadvantage at all. as a white man, who has had privileges that others could not depend on or take for granted, i've clearly had advantages over the course of my life. i think recognizing that and understanding that others have
not doing everything i can to ensure there is the opportunity and possibility for advancement for everyone is a big part of this campaign an a big part of the people that comprise this campaign. i think this is the best field that we've ever seen in a nominating process. i think the diversity of background, expertise, that is brought to bear on these problems is exceptional. and i know at the end of the day we'll be on the same team. i'm excited about that. that's the way i'm going to continue to run. but i'll tell you, i also happen to be the only candidate from the united states/mexico border at a time that that dominates us. and there's one candidate that can talk about the impacts that immigrants have had on safety and security as well as our success and strength. i ran for state-wide office in what was thought to be a red state and that state is in play by some people's estimation. there's some things, perhaps, to
-- you know, will be different about this candidacy from the candidacy of others. if that's better or worse, i don't know. >> we're going to get a lot of time. let me ask you this question. people are trying to get to know who you are. give me three or four books that you read that would say, if you read those books you will get an idea of how i think. >> "the odyssey" is my favorite book of all-time. it's got so many stories within the story. ultimately about homecoming, family and friendship, adventure and struggle and loss. i'm in the middle of reading "uninhabitable earth," which clearly describes the consequences of inaction. i'm reading articles by an economist named darrick hamilton that talks about how wealth is accumulated in this country, that disproportionately favors white households at the expense of black households and lays out policy proscriptions for coming back. and i'm reading a book by joseph
campbell about the power of myth and the universality of human experience. it's a great way to escape from the immediate world and get to something deeper. at the same time, further away. those are a few books. >> good luck staying isolated right now. >> thank you. i appreciate it. thank you, chuck. >> that was former congressman, beto o'rourke, with that quick pull-aside interview with me yesterday in waterloo, iowa. if you're into politics there was no better place to be in iowa or new hampshire when a presidential race begins. there's no better place to be than waterloo, and i sat down with amy klobuchar. we sat down at the screamin' eagle bar and grill. i asked her when she decided to run for president. she said it was in college, but distinctively she noted not at birth. >> you made a reference to born. do you feel born to do this? >> that's the beto line. >> it is the beto line. you brought it up.
>> i have a lot of respect for beto. it's great to have some texas in this race. no. i wasn't born to run for office just because growing up in the '70s in the middle of the country, i don't think many people thought a girl could be president. i wasn't born to run. but i am running. >> you said during your announcement, we shouldn't wallow over what's wrong. is there anything donald trump's done as president, you know, that wasn't bad? >> well, i am glad he's pushing on venezuela right now. i think that's really important. you have a dictator in place there that's got to go. i think there are a number of things that he's said he wants to do like bring down prescription drug prices that i agree with. he doesn't have the will to get it done, whether it's the people around him whispering, don't take on the pharma companies. or the inability to work with congress to pass legislation. simple drug prices.
tripling or quadrupling it doesn't make sense. we can bring down the prices. >> you brought up venezuela. what would be your line on a military interception. he's using motorcycle gangs. it's clear people are getting killed there. what point do you think it's a united states problem, too? >> right now, it's our problem in that we need to push for humanitarian aid. we need to make sure that we're -- i'm glad that we have recognized who should be the president here. i'm also glad that we're trying to push maduro out. but the answer here is to make sure that we are working with our allies, pushing for democracy in some kind of a negotiated agreement. the military should be on the table but i don't see that we use it now. >> general stanley mcchrystal has a question that he always asks in job interviews. i have picked it up and i have used it and it's this.
what would someone who does not like you say about you? >> i think you've heard some of it. some people might say i can be too tough and i push things too hard. that's a fair criticism. but i do it for a reason and i do it because i want to have high expectations for myself and for the people around me and for our country. and i think those expectations have fallen in the last few years. and we need to get them to the place where america is again, the beacon of democracy in a country that can be respected along the world. and in our own nation, that has the backs of people. >> how important do you think it is for the democratic party to dominate somebody that isn't a white male? >> i don't think there should be one litmus test. but i think our ticket should reflect the country. and i like to say, may the best woman win. >> the country or the party? the majority of the democratic party is female, not male.
is that the case? >> for the country, a woman can well represent men. and one of the things that bothers me is hear things people don't think that. in my own state, i have won with women and i've won with men. i've won every congressional district, including michele bachmann's. i have done it by not just running as a woman. i am proud to be a woman candidate. but by looking at what unites us. going where it's comfortable and uncomfortable. when you look at 2018, we have a road map. a number of incredible women won including two new congresswomen in iowa, including the new governor of kansas, laura kelly. >> presidents have a lot of things they promise when they run. we're talking about various issues. the reality is this. the first issue you pick, the first big issue you pick is the best chance that you have to get passed and everything else decreases. what is number one in your mind that you know, it will be the
hardest thing to do, health care was obama's, what is yours? >> bringing down health care costs with much-needed changes to the affordable care act. that would be pharmaceutical prices. i have been on this for over a decade. neither during democratic or republican administrations have we had any significant votes in the congress. pharma may think they own washington. they don't own me. this would be to negotiate lower prices under medicare, less expensive drugs from canada, stopping the pay for delay practice the bill that i have with senator grassley. i would push those. i would also on day one, put us back into the international climate change agreement. >> let me go to health care. what that sounds like -- and i have heard you said this before. you love medicare for all but you have to what you think you can do. sounds like you're the candidate of obamacare. and it sounds like you believe, make obamacare work first. >> i believe in bringing out universal health care to all
americans. we're not there yet. >> you want to use the structure of obamacare? >> yes, i do. and the fastest way to get there is with the public option. you can do it with medicaid and with medicare. i would get that done in the first year as president. there's no reason we can't do that, as well as immediately using cost-sharing things in iowa that would help where they have had major issues with the premiums. >> what do you tell folks who say, no no no no, stop that. obamacare isn't the answer. go to medicare for all. what do you tell them? >> we tell them we had major successes on the affordable care act. we made sure kids stay on their parent's insurance until they're 26. we have stopped people from being thrown off their insurance over pre-existing conditions. >> and finally, there's apparently going to be another conversation in the republican party for reparation for descendants of slaves. where do you come down on that? >> we have to help the communities that have been
affected by racism. it doesn't have to be a direct pay for each person. what we can do is invest in the communities. acknowledge what's happened. that mean better education. that means looking at -- for the whole economy. community college, one year degrees. minimum wage. child care. making sure that we have that shared dream of opportunity for all americans. and i'll tell you this, we may look different. we may pray different. but we all have that shared dream of america. and that is not being sent to many communities right now in this country. and it is hurting, not just them, it is hurting our whole country. >> is a reparations debate a good debate? or is it one that can get taken out of context? >> i think these debates are actually good to have. it's good to have a debate on the environment now, so we can make the case, you know what? economically, when your home insurance goes up by 50%, we have a problem. it's an economic problem with
climate change. when we have the weather coming down from mississippi coming down from minnesota where i have met with the weather experts, this stuff is happening and you have hurricanes battering florida and you have wildfires in colorado and california, these are debates we have to have. we have to have a debate on race, yes. but i'm tired of admiring the problem. let's get the solutions in place. that's what's cool about the fact that we have leadership in the house that's finally pushing through ethics bills, trying to get the dark money out of politics. we're in a different place after 2018. but right now it's just going to be proposals passing one house, being squashed down by president trump. this is our moment to get it done in 2020. >> senator klobuchar talked about if she is in favor of adding members to the supreme court. we talked about the death penalty. and about the label progressive. you can see the entire interview with all of my sit downs as we go through the presidential
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how decent people can save america from from contempt." good luck with that. >> thank you. let's start today. >> ash arthur, i want to start with you and beto o'rourke. >> right. >> in some ways, you and i spent a lot of time this week, about your book. and he is trying to be an uplifting messenger. you try to be an uplifting messenger from a conservative point of view. but i would say this. he's a lot of optimism, but do you think there's any there? do you sense that? >> it's hard to say. he's ascertained that america does not want another player in the outraged industrial complex. he has to do one thing. he knows for a democrat to be beat donald trump you have to be nice, normal and not weird. that's what he is trying to do. he has to back pedal and i have to be out of town. and he said he is out of town and he leaves his wife with the kids a lot. and now, he has to back pedal
and apologize for it. that's a mistake for him to do that. i believe that the brand of being normal and nice with be incredibly successful, not to be outraged, not to fire people up in the way they hate others and treat others with contempt. so far, so good. he has to some more substance going forward as you pointed out an we'll see. >> there's another challenge, let me read you from the daily beast. under the unbearable male privilege of beto o'rourke. it's not news that women have to be at least twice as qualified and still expect twice as much criticism and doubt. but this persists in presidential politics for today. for democrats and as the current presidency illustrates, we have a bias towards newton, conflict and theater. the contrast between beto and klobuchar and the ways they're going about this, this is emblematic. >> pretty remarkable. amy klobuchar could not have thought of herself as born to be president, because when she was born women could not aspire to be president. and we haven't had a woman as president, even today.
that's a message that may persist with some little girls. of course, she doesn't come with that sort of confidence about her role in the world. but what she does offer is sen terrorism, pragmatic views. achievable message. let's bring down health care costs. let's heal the nation. those are different approaches to presidential politics. >> i was thinking about your exchange, though, with senator klobuchar, when you asked her about reparations. instead of arounding the late all the inequalities with white people and black people, she pivoted to climate change and that should be had by all the democrats. they're hungry for saying i'm not going to lift all boats, i'm going to say african-americans have problems that stem from slavery and let's look at them
in a way that we can look at things not just of all people. and beto will have issues when it comes to people receiving him in this party. we're looking at the candidates with 2019 eyes. with the me too movement. we're looking and saying, you have your wife in this three-minute video. why can't she speak? not to say if she should peek. if the wife is going to be there, have her say something. some of this might be outrage. some might be saying you're being too politically correct, but i think beto has to navigate that. >> and yet beto gets the "vanity fair" cover. and yet with the dog in the pickup truck is on every cover of the magazines. why is that? why is it that someone is chosen to be the poster person for what's hot and interesting at the time? why is it that people who have deep thoughts and klobuchar had some very interesting policy positions. talking about venezuela, by the way, going on right now. it's a crisis we must deal with.
why is it that he's the one -- the flavor of the month? >> because he's telegenic and attractive. i mean, the truth of the matter, he is somebody that the people want to look at. the same way that people are talk about alexandria ocasio cortez. she's attractive and interesting. nice to look at on television and that's what television does. it gives you an image along with a message. >> magazines as well. >> magazines as well, absolutely. >> a huge opportunity not a guarantee. is he john edwards or ronald reagan? well, the fact is that ronald reagan was good looking and head fresh and interesting. he had a lot of specific policy proposals that he had developed over decades of thinking about them. day one, beto o'rourke doesn't know what he thinks about medicare for all. or have a coherent answer on impeachment. on day 50, he better. >> that's why i think we're going to see a vetting of that. people will look at beto and say, why is he getting that coverage? i was reading that article about the kind of the white male privilege that the writer was writing about. why does he get to say that he's not exactly sure of things and
gets to go on this tour where he thinks about himself? i would say that stacy abrams, someone who hasn't announced with 2020, saying i'm dealing with the after-effects of running for governor and losing. i think people are okay with that from a black woman. so some would push back from the idea that only beto could do that. >> there is another -- you brought up stacey abrams. she's clearly leaning more into a presidential perhaps than i think many people realize. let me play that clip from joe biden last night. forget the accidental slip-up. listen to the fist part of what he said. here it is. >> get criticized by the new left, i have the most progressive record of anybody running for the -- anybody who would run. >> it was a very important tell. not the second part. the first part. susan page, he's going to run on the obama/biden record and say, whatever you want to say, that's the new standard-bearer for progressivism. top it. i did it.
he's running his third term. can you look back and be the candidate of the future? >> historically, no. historically, that's a really hard think to do. and joe biden has a problem, too. he wasn't first elected as obama's vice president. he had a long history in public office, including some aspects of his career that do not represent the most progressive parts of the american government. this is not a statement he can make and get by with. he's going to be challenged on where does he stand? and where does he stand, as you say, looking forward, not looking back. either with eight years of the obama/biden administration, or to the years in the senate before that. >> you know what's interesting to me. the question i have is can he handle six months of iowans kicking the tires on other candidates, while his support goes down? like, we're here for biden. but they have to go over the other phases. >> they have to go through the other phases and he'll be vetted in a way that 2019 will look at
all the things that he does. i'm waiting for the anita hill interview. and who talks about integration. and his writings if he thinks integration is a problem as he said in the past. the name recognition is why he is at the top of the ticket. i think there's a vetting. >> i'm looking forward to the debate that nbc and telemundo and msnbc -- >> look at you. >> the first debate with all of the candidates. >> his key strength is going to be when he says, he's a uniter, not a divider. the new left. they're a bunch of dividers. that are trying to whip up people, i'm not going to do that. >> that's an important message he was sending to the party. anyway, when we come back, president trump took not one, not two, but three hits from congress this week. i'm going to talk to senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> i'm more concerned about health care, number one. two, something that people aren't talking about, the public education. that's huge.
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and 12 republicans joined 47 democrats to reject his energy declaration to fund the border wall. president trump made his first veto of his presidency. there's not enough votes to override it. this is likely the end of the debate. at least for these two branches of the government. the supreme court comes next. joining me now the one of the republicans who voted against the president, senator pat toomey of pennsylvania. >> good morning, chuck. >> i feel like you and your other 11 republicans that voted with the democrats on this, trying to send the president a message about the constitution, a message about article one versus article two. he clearly did not hear that version of the message. the president was almost gleeful in vetoing it. does that disappoint you he didn't hear your constitutional argument? >> the president came to a different conclusion about the constitution and the law, as did
three-quarters of my republican colleagues to be candid about it. >> do you think they mean that or do you think they voted that way? >> i don't question the motives. i look at what people do. you're right, this was never about the wall. i'm pretty sure every republican that voted in favor of disapproving of the emergency declaration including me, we support the wall funding. if we did have the votes to override the president's veto, the president would be able to build the wall. what's important is the source he uses to fund that. it should be a source -- it should be a combination of sources that congress has approved of. not those that have very legally dubious bases. for me it was about the separation of powers. that's an important issue. >> do you hope the supreme court takes this up? and which part -- how do you want them to look at this? do you want them to look at the appropriations aspect of it?
or the legislative disapproval of the emergency? >> i might have an outlier and certainly nuanced view on this, chuck. i'm not sure it's a straight up illegal act. i think it's a strained argument but a plausible argument for the legality of what the president did. there's a plausible argument for the constitutionality. what we voted on on thursday, was not a question if the president had broken the law. we voted on whether we approve of what he did. i approve of border wall construction. i don't approve of the way that the president is funding it. when the question was before me i voted to disapprove the declaration. the courts might side with him. >> you don't know for sure if this is unconstitutional. this is the first time the emergency act was used to essentially -- to overturn a rejection of a funding proposal to refund it. that's something that had never been done before in the
emergency act. >> i totally agree. that's fundamentally why it was inappropriate, i think. that's why i voted as i did. as you know, courts are generally reluctant to overrule a president's judgment call about what constitutes an emergency. and congress did delegate authority to the president under the emergencies declaration act. so i don't know how the court will decide on this. >> is it time to redo the emergency act? i think there's some move to -- >> absolutely. >> do you want the 30 day -- >> yeah. >> it's the other way. congress doesn't flip it the other way, essentially? >> yeah. you're absolutely right. i think for decades now congress has been transferring too much constitutional authority from the legislative branch to the executive. that's very bad for a representative democracy. for a republic such as ours. this is one area we should reclaim the legislative
responsibility that we have in this regard. we delegated this authority to the president. you know, initially, that delegation of authority, the national emergency act, included a congressional only veto power. that was struck down. what we could do is reclaim that responsibility by requiring congress to provide its assent before a presidential declaration goes forward and i fully support that. it will be interesting to see what our democratic colleagues do, chuck. they're happy to poke president trump in the eye. will they join us to make sure this can never happen again. >> let me ask you this. a lot of you have republican colleagues said a lot of rhetoric about barack obama and executive power. >> right. you can make the argument, president trump has pushed the limits even further. when do we end this, yeah, you guys. we are in a bad place. >> we are in a bad place. i don't think president trump pushed it forward.
i think obama did it further. with the daca and the dapa and he said he had no legal authority to do. i was very critical of that. and that's why i think republicans should stand up. and if the president gets into a gray area or uses legislation in a way that congress didn't intend i think we should stand up. i am hoping those of us that are consistent about that, that we might persuade others to adopt a consistent approach and that we restore some of the authority where congress belongs. >> i want to ask about what happened in new zealand. i want to ask about in terms of rhetoric. the president offered condolenzs to the prime minister of new zealand. and her answer was, can you say better things about muslim communities around the world. when the president uses the term invaders, does that dehumanize to the point where it can get misused? it's not healthy for anybody,
for the crazy people to be citing the president of the united states in their manifestos. >> i often disagree with what the president has said and what he has tweeted. but it's a long way to attribute any kind of real link between what the president might say or tweet and the extraordinary type of madness that leads someone to massacre people in large numbers. whether it's in pittsburgh at a synagogue or whether it's in new zealand. >> let me ask you this. you brought up pittsburgh. because this person seemed to get more fired up on the dark corners of the internet. let's be honest. if this person had used nbc's airwaves or comcast equipment to push out that manifesto and and to push out that killing, the world of hurt would be brought down on us by the fcc. there are regulators out there. these internet companies have done nothing about this. they wait until after the fact. do we need to do something to treat the companies as media
companies? that facebook would be held as responsible as any broadcast media company would? >> you know, it's a big, really important discussion, chuck. i'm not sure where we come down on this. as you know in many cases the companies are aggregators, they don't have their own news department per se. they don't have their own editorial boards. they're providing a platform. i don't think there's an obvious or easy answer. >> senator toomey, i will leave it there. republican of pennsylvania, thank you for coming on and sharing your views. when we come back, millennials are much more open to socialism than older voters. and we may have just figured out one big reason why that is these days. that's coming up. days that's coming up ♪ now do you love me? ♪ do you love me now that i can dance? ♪ applebee's 3 course meal.
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millennials carry the same amount of debt as baby boomers and less than gen-xers. $39,000. cork to northwestern mutual. it's where the debt comes that is striking. 21% of the debt comes from student loans. 20% from credit card bills and only is 11% from mortgages. compare that to gen x and baby boomers. millennials have less money to put in the economy. that could impact how they view our political system. in the most recent nbc news/"wall street journal" poll, americans age 18-34, was the only age group where there's not a majority who believes socialism is a negative term. millennials, you're taking on report amounts of student loan debt, because the universities jacked up tuition rates to achieve the american dream. but they don't see a way out of the hole they're in. they may see more reason to
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he seems to be on another level of agitation. every conspiracy theory he can think of on mueller and all this stuff, and now, angrily attacking john mccain again. or thundershower, your book is love your enemies. what do you tell to meghan mccain? what do you tell to people when he's sitting here, just angrily and mean-spirited way continues to sully this man? >> he's on the wrong side of where most americans are. 93% of americans hate how divided we've become as a money. one in six members have stopped talking to a family member because of politics. that's not a mainstream point of view. >> donald trump -- this is him. >> i got it. that's how he works. but the point of fact, that's an opportunity for all of us with a public platform and all aspiring politicians, and people on college campuses start a new
movement and starts with themselves. they don't want this pay tread a hatred. >> social media has made people m maximumists. i must not disagree with you, i must destroy you because you think differently than i do. we all have a responsibility to tone that down. >> we have an opportunity. here's the key thing. we're unhappy because of this. we have an opportunity to be happy as people by acting in a different way. >> the person who resides in the white house cannot help himself. he has built his brand and succeeded by being mean and attacking people. in john mccain's case, the fact that he is really angry at him, angry at his legacy and angry that he's probably thinking about the amazing funeral he had and all of the people who are saying about how he was a hero and how he was a symbol of america in the best of his country. i think that the president just can't help himself when he looks on "snl" and sees people
ridiculing him. i want to vent and be angry. >> it tells us something particular, which is how concerned donald trump is about the report. this sparks the tweet that goes back to the steele dossier. i don't think it's his dislike for john mccain. i think it's the perils that are ahead, perhaps very soon. >> words matter. speaking of words, here's the president being asked about the issue of white supremacy and the mass murder in new zealand. >> did you see today, white nationalists are a rising threat around the world? >> i don't, really. i think it's a small group of people that have very, very serious problems. if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. >> but the real issue may be what's happening on the dark internet. i want to bring up with "the new york times" highlighted on saturday. online extremism is regular
extremism on steroids. there's no offline equivalent. the internet is now the place where the seeds of extremism are planted and waters, where platform incentives send people toward the ideological poles. and people can feed and hate off of each other. we work with new zealand to worry about extremism with radical islamist followers. it sounds like we need a white nationalism database and work with our allies on this. >> the idea is that the president had this opportunity to denounce white nationalism. i was mentioned in the manifesto and it was disgusting. he said, it's a problem but not as big as people are making it out to be. i was talking to white house officials just this morning who say they think the president was condemning this act and people should take it as condemning white nationalism.
there can be programs done into white nationalism because we know it's a thing. >> we have two who cite norway. this is the dark web, susan. you brought it up, jose. >> it's not just the white nationalists. look at all of the assassins, the terrorists, in san bernadino, in pittsburgh, in brazil this week. they're all basing it on others who they found on the internet to have the same thoughts and concepts. >> this is not just the dark web. you saw james hodge kkinnison. he was reading mainstream political content that was othering and deviant. saying people are evil and stupid on the other side. for us, it might whip us up into a frenzy. that's a big problem. that's our responsibility is people in public life. >> as somebody said, when
facebook worried about a child pornography issue being spread different ways, they found a way to fix the algorithm to deal with it. they can do something about it, they choose not to. >> we are just beginning to understand how this works out. they affect the debate in ways we are just beginning to try to figure out. and it's changing attitudes toward the social media companies. there was a time when government regulation of social media companies were -- >> tax-free internet. >> that day is over. the social media companies are being held to a level of responsibility. that's going to involve new forms of government legislation. >> we should be looking into this. we should being looing at white nationalists and what they do with it. all of us have a responsibility to talk about the importance. >> we can fix it. talking about the big problem, which is anonymity on the internet. >> all of us can do more.
>> you have to have the will to do this from the federal government. the president right now does not seem like he has the will to do this. >> true. >> and then, senator toomey telling you, when you ask that smart question, what should we do with the social media companies. he says, i'm not really sure. >> the concept, it's us against them. we're better than you. we don'tassimilate. all this is what we are doing to mitigate this divide. >> and they can deal with the level of ananonymity. >> this has to be the last comment. i have 15 seconds to say this. that's all we have for today. thank you for watching. enjoy not too much green beer but just enough. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." i've got to tell you
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