tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC March 20, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
that being said i wonder if delusions of grander isn't just limited to one member of the family of trump. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted. >> a a president bracing for impact. >> i didn't get thank you. that's okay. >> takes aim at a dead senator and the spouse of his top advisorer as he calls for the full public release of the mueller report. tonight the status of the special counsel's investigation and all the other inquiries into the president's behavior. plus new calls to investigate trump's biggest financial backer. >> the concern is they have a history of maundering russian money. >> what a joe biden candidacy would mean and.
are republicans in florida about to pass on modern day poll tax when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. the president wants everyone to know that he is cool as a cucumber about the looming mueller report. who's totally chill, wants everyone to see it. doesn't have a care in the world. >> have a right to see the mueller report? >> i don't mind. i told the house if you want, let them see it. >> he was so relaxed, he was able to rise above twitter criticisms from the husband of kellyanne conway and give a measured response. >> well, i don't know him. he's a a wack job. there's no kwesz about it. i think he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wonderful wife.
i call him mr. kellyanne. the fact is he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wife and family. she's a wonderful woman. >> and he's cool and unpreturbed, the same way he's over his feud with deceased senator john mccain. >> because they love me, they ask me about a man named john mccain. should i tell you about him? yes? so i have to be honest. i've never liked him much. h hasn't been for me. i've really probably never will but there are certain reasons for it and i'll tell you -- and i do this to save a lit 8 time later on. i endorsed him at his request and i gave him the kind of funeral he wanted, which as president i had to approve.
i don't care about this. i didn't get thank you. that's okay. we sent him on the way but i wasn't a fan of of john mccain. >> we should note he's correct that john mccain did not thank him for the funeral he signed off on. and trump says if trump wants someone teels deal with the mueller report -- and while the president says he welcomes the transparency, democrats say he's stone walling their investigations to an unprecedented degree. they've ignored 15 different requests. they're basically blowing off a co equal branch of government, which giving as strong indication to the mueller report if and when it comes. the russian government's
election sabotage. what was up with the trump -- tower moscow prajts which he lied about under oath. what don't we know about campaign conspiracy? was the additional wrong doing and the subject of a criminal probe in the southern district. was the president hiding something in his taxes? in fact there is such a swarm of criminality of pleas. rrbs nc deputy finance chair, remember him, the disgraced venture capitalist who got michael cohen to run the same play he ran with stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. this is the party of antiabortion zealotry. it barely made a blip and this guy was also raided by the fbi.
fwloo who can keep track anymore? and the inquiry that led to all these other investigations, that hangs over the white house. julia, what do we know? there's constant chatter and rumor wire about the mueller report. you can feel how anxiously everyone is watching and waiting for it. >> it's been that kind of day, week. we're all on pins and needles. found out. rosenstein is staying a little bit longer. what is mean is he's not leaving until the report comes? how do we revisit that? what is clear is it's not up to the president how much of the support we will see. when he said he's okay with the public seeing it, its w's not uo
him. it's up to the attorney general william barr what he releases to congress. it can be heavily redacted. it can be a tiny fraction of what he gets from robert mueller. another thing, as you pointed out -- i was talking about how not relaxed the president was. i can tell you who was relaxed. the attorney general was in the cafeteria having lunch with his staff while all of that played out on the tv. >> what do we know about what official communication there will be when and if the mueller report is transmitted to the attorney general, which i guess is what the filing would be? do we have a notification this has happened?
>> let's take this in two steps. so when this comes to the justice department, we can expect to know that william barr has it but we won't necessarily know the content. but then the attorney general does have to provide a report to congress. he just has to tell them what is in a at another date. he could takes a much time as he wants with that. >> there some transparency at the department of justices, that they will tell the public when the department of justice has it? >> no such promises. >> really? that seems wild to me. >> there's a reason we're betting on the fact we will find out. there's a a reason i'm spending 12 hours a day at the justice department right now. it's not anywhere written they have to tell us and i don't think he wants that pressure
necessarily to build up. >> i guess the question is the special counsel's office can speak for itself. they could say we've sent it in. >> that's an interesting way to see it. the way we're framing this, the way we're expecting it, there's always unexpected in the probe was the communication would come from the justice department because barr is ultimately the spokesperson for the report once it leaves mueller's hand. and ultimately up to congress what they do with these finds. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> joining me, democrat from california. i want to read to you this headline from elijah cummings that says the white house hasn't turned over a single piece of paper to my committee. is that true? >> it's absolutely true.
they haven't handed over one piece of paperer from 12 different letters. i've actually sit on ways and means and oversight. i got to question steve mnuchin and wilbur ross. there's one thing they have in common. they're not going to congress to answer any questions. mnuchin said why are you trying to get me to answerer 20 questions? and it's like that's our job. so the american peepdleserve that and that's what we're going to fight for. >> this navigating documents discovery and solicitation by congress is always a tricky process. the white house did produce some documents but not everything he wanted. where does this fall in the normal tension of back and forth between a congress controlled by one party and the congress in the other? >> history shows that utter white house and other
administrations have been a lot more forthcoming. george w. bush handed over pages regarding the response to katrina. obama handed over emails and benghazi. so this administration is outside the norm. they don't want to be on the hook as a co equal branch of government. they hope that we're going to go away and we're not. >> do you take the president's whurd he says he wants the mueller report to be made public? what is known to the public? how do we reckon with whatever the facts are? whether they're exical puatory to the president? do you take him at his word he wants to make it public? >> i don't take him as his word at all. we're still waiting for his tax returns.
so what makes people think he's being truthful when it comes to the report? >> as you just heard from one of our justice reporters the kind of regulation at issue here that create as special counsel gives william barr a lot of power over what happens. do you trust him with that power and do you foresee a head-to-head confrontation like the one you're currently having with barr. >> i think we're going to have to push and request and make sure that he complies and that he releases the report that mueller writes and we're go to keep pushing. they know they're dpir going to fight. and we're going to probably end up in the courts. if that's the way they want to go, then that's the direction we're going to head in. >> and this piggy babs off
something adam schiff said. let's say mueller says the president acted in all these ways but there was no actual explicit collusion or goes further and says we exonerate the president. do you trust the outcome whatever it says? >> i think we have to trust the report. that means we have to see the whole thing. they kaenlt redact it. they can't say you get this piece but not this piece. if they want to show the american people they're being forthcoming and transparent, they need to release the full report. the tax returns. did trump cheat on his taxes? who is actually leveraging them? deutsche bank, all of that. we get a better understanding of what motivates them and if he's fighting f
fighting for the american people or somebody else. we're not going to dis peer, we're not getag away. every single commit ais going to fighting to make sure we hold this president accountable and we get to the truth. >> joining me barbara mcquaid, the former attorney and nuta nutagsau -- the bread crumb papers why cohen document dump should worry trump and others. what is your current thinking? >> i think there's a speculation of a report dropping tomorrow. but i'd be surprised. one is these cohen documents. the judge found the other day that large portions may remain redacted because they continue to be the subject of ongoing investigation by robert mueller. 18 and a half pages redacted and
when asked how much longer they need to be redacted, the answer was 60 days. you can only seal them for certain limited purposes. and suggests to me that maybe more like some time in the next days. and rick gates had a status conferencing set up within 60 days. and rod rosenstein is going to stick arourntdal for a little bit longer. >> based on the public filings we have. it's striking to me that right now everyone in both political parties does not know what is go on, despite the fact something is probably looming over them. and yet they just continue to sort of go along waiting for it like everyone else. >> the president's tweetsz last
weekend really made everyone believe there must be something coming this week and experts were telling me if the mueller report were given to bill barr, then the white house would probably know that, which might explain some of trump's bizarre behavior over the weekend, his freakout. but the reality is we just don't know and the president himself has been going back and forth on this. on twitter he was saying there should be no report at all. now he's say he's fine with a report be released. and we don't even know whether there is going to be a report. or whether it's a sheet of paper or whether he's told his entire story by indictments and will continue to do so. we have not a single clue and my colleagues who cover the white house today were talking to trump's lawyers and they said we're hearing rumbling of possible report we're hearing that from reporters. i think we should be out of the
prediction business by now but it's most likely mueller has not completed his work because of the unanswered questions. rick gates alone is probably the star witness and we veno extent to what his cooperation has been and answered questions about. >> you know in another setting the revelation that the deputy finance chair of the rnc had been raided by the fbi would be an explosive story. everybody would be camped outside the rnc. they'd be wanting comments. that's also someone who -- this is a person who some judge found probable cause to go search. >> it really does show how extraordinary the times are that we live in when we've seen so
many vinyls under investigation, so many process serve that we barely flinch when we hear about these kinds of things. i think the cohen documents, something like 800 pages, shows you there's a lot more that we don't know about yet that's still to come. they even moved location data to pinpoint his location. if they were doing that with michael cohen back to 2017, who else were they scrutinizing at that level. >> i just talked to congressman gomez about thback and forth in the white house and house in terms of document production, you wonder if the refusal to hand over documents is a trial run, the warm up for what is to come. >> i think the white house is seeing what they can get away with. and i think there were reports that they want to review any
mueller report to make sure if things are covered by executive privilege. it looks like they're developing a strategy as they go before the report actually comes out or what they can and can't get away with in terms of turning over documents to congress. a lot of people are surprised by the fact that mueller hasn't pressed for a sit down interview and that would be the final step in an investigation if it was to be ending soon. other people say the written answers are probably enough. regardless it seems like the white house is not as open to all of the information being out there as they say they are. because they're still trying to stone wall a co equal branch of government and reluctant to allow the mueller report to come out unfeterred. >> thank you both. next the mounting investigation of the president's biggest back. investigation of the president's biggest back feel the clarity...
chris van haulen is calling for a bipartisan probe of deutsche bank after they published a long history with the president. for years they have been the only large financial firm willing to do business with donald trump whose companies have gone bankrupt at least five times. deutsche ban continued to lend money, more than 2 and$2 and a billion over the years, in spite of all the risks he posed because he hadn't paid back anyone who he owed befear. he defaulted twice and took the bank to court and yet the money kept flowing up until he ran for president. new york attorney general is already investigating projects. and they're probing the bank's relationship with the president.
their main question whether there's any link between the business and the shadier activities around the world. and they and new york. right back the money. this apparently was the one bank that was willing to do business with the trump organization. now is that a coincidence? if this is a form of compromise, it needs to be exposed. >> already making a splash on the house financial services committee. good to have you. what are you concerns as someone who has spent your career thinking about the financial serve. your concerns about deutsche bank? >> i think what's going on is we have a repeat ofentder. they have violated laws over and over again, even since the
financial crisis. they've manipulated interest rates and have engaged in money laundering to the tune of $1 billion for russian oligarchs. they have clearly not learned its lessons and their willingness to continue to loan money to mr. trump even when he was not credit worthy should raise eyebrows. what is the reason a bank would continue to do that? >> there's always someone around willing to take some risk that's lying around that others aren't and a lot of times they get into trouble and crash and burn. and then there's the darker reason that there's something torrid going on there. deutsche barng seems like a fairly risk seeking operation. >> they have a veracious appetite for risk. this is the only institution that has been fined by the
federal reserve for violating the rules. they really do stand out in terms of their willing noosz make loans, break rules, ignore compliance. this is a bank that has not come to terms or shown a willingness to can comply with the rules. the latest episode tells us as much about deutsche barbank and as it does about mr. trump. we see a bank willing to serve a handful of elites when it's not doing its job maybing the mainstream economy go forward. >> our eagle eye producer pointed out in april 2018, they reports president trump wanting to fire mueller. that the anger was fuelled by reports subpoenas were obtaining information about his dealings with deutsche bank. his lawyers and advisors worked quickly to learn about the
subpoenas and were told reports were not accurate, leading the president to back down. what does that say to you? >> that this president doesn't want this investigation to go forward. he's made clear that he doesn't think the special counsel will find anything. but the american people deserve to know what the special counsel has found and given the long history of wrong doing, cheating consumers, engaging in shell game trades to launder money for russian oligarchs, there is a a legitimate possible nexus between foreign interference in the elebz and mr. trump's elebz and what deutsche bank has been doing. i think this is an appropriate topic f topic for congressional oversight. >> you studied with elizabeth warren at harvarder. you've written tax books. at tpa cafe which is where
elizabeth warren used to blog as well. you're a real ebspert that you're now a sitting on a committee on. you're a freshman member of congress. >> i feel this is an area i can maybe a real contribution to the work oof the committee and for anly to both sides of the aisle. asking the right questions can help us figure out there are areas we can improve. so i do my homework and try to dig into the issues. try to make sure that we're getting the answers we need. coming up, the modern day poll tax in florida. an important update to a story we brought you during the midterms. that's next. that's next. own version of best.
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[ applause ] [ crowd chanting] one of the big stories of election night last year was in florida. amendment four. they were chanting yes on four passed with almost 65% of the vote on a night when people elected a republican governor no less. and they're trying to gut passage of that amendment or at least one of its key and central
provisions. it would require court costs before felons can get their voting rights back. they call it a modern day poll tax. and himself a former felon, has himself received a law degree. he joins me tonight. what do you think of this lenl slagz? >> thank you so much for having me back on the show. i don't think first and foremost what we're seeing is select group of politicians that have shown that they've had little to no regard for the will of florida voters. many of whom are even in their own district. and we've seen these same politicians that have thumbed their nose at our judicial system. >> so you put together amazing bipartisan coalition.
if you passed something by 65%, there are liberals and conservatives, black and white. why is this happening? who are the politicians and what is your understanding of what they're trying to do? >> when you look at the language, not only do you see that they're trying to expand what completion of sentence means, but they're allowing other governmental and private agencies outside of the court to determ an person's sentence and to determine whether or not an american citizen would be able to register to vote. >> so that means this lenl sl z legislation, the amendment says they get their voting rights back when they complete the sentence and they're saying complete the sentence moons fines and what else? >> they're try to add court costs and other monetary obligations that can somehow or another be attached to a
sentence when it's really not. at its core what we're looking at is we went through a phase where when we submitted the language before our florida supreme court and with a unanimous opinion, the florida supreme court agreed that our language was clear, not ambiguous, not misleading to the voters and that the voters knew exactly what they were voting for, which is once a a person completes term of incarceration, probation and a in a case where a judge orders restoration, rest tuesdayic mas it complete. they're trying to add on top of what the florida voter has agreed on. >> so that's already -- that meaning of what amendment four means which is incarceration, arrest and restitution, that is the term and they're trying to tack atop that other fees and
fines? >> yes. but it's a bigger issue that they're toying with. what this country seen is that people from all walks of life and plolitical persuasions came together and said when the debt is paid, it's paid and they gave us votes of love and we did it without engaging in partisan pall tlks. what this world seen was how much we can accomplish when politicians keep their hands out of the people's business. now they're trying to drag this momentous win. they're trying to drag this moment where we brought people together, this unifying moment where people from all walks of life and political persuasions came together and you're trying to divide us along partisan lines. and that is unacceptable. to me it's unpancreatic, because
the courts have already spoken and they should not be ingarnling in wlej slatilegisla over reach. >> i imagine it matters what the state legislative leadership and the governor make of it had to give indications of whether they support or oppose the legislation. >> one of the things i can say is governor -- one of his tag lines he says so often is about operating under rule of law. i do believe that if folks would just operate under the rule of law and respect the will of its voters everything would be okay. i don't believe every legislature legislature seeking to help people. they have elections in jacksonville the other day. and to hear the stories of people that haven't voted in 20
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major donors so he can quickly raise several million. if he indeed makes it official, there is good reason to believe he'll begin at least in the beginning as the front-runner in the field. according to a new cnn poll, biden is the candidate democratic voters say they would most likely support. at this point, though, many are undecided. a six-term u.s. senator who chaired both the judiciary committee and the foreign relations committee, joe biden has deep ties to world leaders and the entirety of the democratic establishment and the highest name recognition among likely candidates, in large part because his last job was this guy's vice president for eight years. but the question for biden is can a man whose political identity and iedeology was forgd in a different era, can he convince democrats today he is the right man for this moment? to discuss what a biden candidacy will do to the race, i'm joined by alex seitz-wald, and ruth conoff. you've been covering the race really well. i've been thinking about it.
there is no online biden stands. there is no one dying online for joe biden. and it's a place where the gap between the democratic primary voter and the world of political conversation might be its widest, because there are a lot of people out there among democratic voters who are really looking for joe biden. >> absolutely, chris. the extremely online set is not crying for joe biden to get in. but as we all know, twitter is not a fraction of the american life. when you talk to people in iowa and new hampshire, you do hear there is absolutely an opening for somebody more in the middle, for somebody like joe biden, who most democrats have a very fond image of. they like him. they like his association with barack obama. i think the question for him is whether he can translate that into being a candidate. >> right. >> we know from hillary clinton that your poll numbers almost always drop once you leave the nonpolitical world and you enter the political world being a candidate. and he is no longer the guy with the aviators and the ice cream
cone that we remember from the obama year, but he is a real person with actual policies running against all these other candidates that are going to have -- him be their target, number one, because he be the front-runner. >> yeah, ruth, there is sort of a stylistic issue and substantive one. he has run twice and didn't do particularly well. and substantively there the s the fact that he said this. i thought it was interesting. he said this to delaware voters, which i want you to respond to about getting criticized by the new left, which i think shows how he's thinking about the race substantively. take a listen. >> i'm told i get criticized by the new left. i have the most progressive record of anybody running for the -- anybody who would run. >> i mean do you think that's true? >> i think it's an astounding claim. i think as you pointed out that joe biden's politics, let's face it, he's had a long, long, long political career, but a lot of the stands he has taken and the record he has built over the years include super predators crime bill creating mass
incarceration of african american young men. you know, he was taunted anita till hillary during the clarence thomas/anita hill hearing. this is the me too era we're running in here. he was a supporter of the 2005 bankruptcy bill which made it easier for credit card companies to hound people and harder for consumers to get bankruptcy protection during the recession. so, no, i do not think that joe biden in this democratic field has the most progressive record. but i do agree he is a likable guy and people like him. i like that image of him in the aviators with the ice cream cone. my personal favorite is the onion, photographed of him wa h washing his camaro in the driveway of the white house. that kind of goofy regular image is a welcome relief from the anger of the trump era and the nastiness of the trump era. but fundamentally, joe biden's message in that speech in delaware was we need to all get along. bipartisanship is a really good things. >> yep. >> and this kind of old boys network that he was a part of is
a positive. we want to go become to those civilized days. >> yep. >> and that is kind of missing the major energy on the left in america right now, which is from black lives matter and me too and a lot of people who want radical, radical rescue from climate change, a green new deal. the energy is not about let's put the old white guys back in charge, in spite of the fact that biden now makes the top three polling candidates for polling, trump, sanders and biden, three white men all over the age of 75, which is really out of sync with the country. >> then there is a question, ruth, who do you mean? i completely agree about activists in the democratic party, some of the most mobilized and most organized folks. but, you know, there is this -- alex, i thought this was interesting. someone who was working for one campaign didn't disclose it, but who was doing focus groups was doing the focus group of african american women in south carolina, which of course a crucial state, testing different messages on biden. one woman says it's the closest we can get to a third term for obama without electing michelle. lots of heads nodding in
agreement. when democrats are asked to describe themselves, and the biggest descriptor they used was obama democrat. and that i think is sort of the subtext here for the biden phenomenon, alex. >> right. but i'm not sure that he can count on having the obama mantle, or at least not entirely to himself. you would think he would as the former vice president. but could it also be beto o'rourke, who a lot of obama aides really like, who is young, who is charismatic, who is kind of filling that catch fire mold that obama did in 2008. or could it be an african american candidate like cory booker or kamala harris or another path-breaking candidate. so i don't even know that joe biden can necessarily count on that coming around to him. he can't really count on the establishment being behind him because they would already be behind him if he could count on it. everybody knows everything you can know about joe biden if you wanted to if you're an insider. i think the danger that that 28%, whatever he is at in the polls is that is a ceiling and not a floor. >> totally agree, and his first day in the race could be his
best day. >> alex seitz-wald and ruth conniff, thanks for joining us. good evening, rachel. >> good evening. thanks. >> you bet. thanks for joining us this hour. halfway through the week already. where does the time go? whether or not you regularly follow the trade war part of this presidency, whether or not that is part of the diet of trump-related controversial news that you choose to partake in on a regular basis, and i realize everybody's got to sort of pick their own, you know, items out of the salad bar. you can't gorge on all this every stuff every day. you sort of choose your stuff. even if you haven't been following the trade war part of the trump administration, if that hasn't been part of your regular diet of news about this president, odds are that you drive, or maybe even if you're not a regular