tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC March 27, 2019 12:00am-1:00am PDT
tonight on "all in." >> i tend to think it's like your brother summarizing your report card. >> as the president begins a new attack on medicaid, cover frj preexisting conditions and the health insurance for millions. >> the republican party will soon be known as the party of health care. >> president trump's stunning assault with 2020 candidates bernie sanders and and pete bud bech. and release of the mueller report and why republicans have a vote on the green new deal.
>> there's no battle with or without veloss raptor. >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. the president may not have been exonerated by robert mueller. but he sure is acting like it. two days after the release of a four-page letter selectively quoting the mueller report that almost no one has seen which trump falsely claimed amounted to a full exoneration, the president is adding a fleur toogs the victory lap. move to strip health care coverage for more than 20 million americans and throw the entire health care system in this country into utter chaos. and it now agreed by a december ruling striking down, in
response to a lawsuit by group of conservative attorneys general. that was seen across partisan and ideological spectrum of outside the mainstream. so far outside the mainstream that the trump administration itself did not initially support it and now they do. more than a legal battle expected to read the report. what would it mean if trump gets its way and obama care is struck down? more than 20 million people covered will be stripped of their coverage, taken away. there will no longer be protections for people with preexisting conditions. it's changing theed dramatically and will be thrown into chaos. it would have hugely dire consequences for tens of millions of people, even by those not covered by obama care.
those are the real world implications. and the political reper cushions. and overwhelmingly oppose protections for people with preexisting conditions. just this morning they unveiled a bill to strengthen protections while lowering premiums and they took the opportunity to spotlight the difference between the two parties. >> the gop will never stop trying to destroy the affordable health care of america's families. in this house with the democratic majority we're here to strengthen those protections and to lower health care costs further. because this house, this democratic house is for the people. >> nine years after obamacare
became law, republicans still, still have yet to produce a workable obamacare replacement bill. what they have done is develop a new strategy which is to insist they actually support protecting people with preexisting conditions while actively working to destroy them and to make meaningless pronouncements like becoming the party of health care. no explanation needed. >> there's an inconsistency, if not a hypocrisy here. why would you mislead the american people that way? why would you say you support the benefit of the preexisting conditions when you voted to eliminate it and now overwhelmingly are part of a lawsuit to eliminate it and support an administration that wants to do away with the whole bill. joining me is democratic
candidate, bernie sanders. surprised at all by the move by the white house do do this and/or the timing? >> no, not surprised at all. nothing trump and his friends do surprises me. the idea that they would ask the courts to say that affordable care act is unconstitutional and throw up the 30 million people off of the health insurance they have, do away with the protections they have, the preexisting conditions, do away with the fact that young people can have the insurance that their parents have, raise drug prices for seniors. it's an outrage but we've seen this movie before. >> one thing that's been maddening is he said it was go doing be great and cheaper and everyone was going to get it. people really believed it.
he added again today. do you think that message sells or do people see through it? >> i'm going to do everything i can to tell the american people including the many people who voted for trump that he is an absolute fraud. he talked in his campaign about health care for everyone and supported legislation of the health care they have. so we've got to expose him for what he is and we've got to talk about where we should be going as a country. i dont know how many americans know that we're the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all people, that we spend twice as much per capita for health care, and outcomes in terms of life expectancy are not as good as other countries. tats tlr message we've got to take to the american people.
not to make billions in profits. >> you talk about where we should go. the democrats introduced legislation in the house today that is focussed on some reforms and modifications for obamacare, particularly people with very high premiums. do you support legislation the house produced today? so you don't support that reform? >> no. the incremental reform i support is medicare for all. first year we woulded lower the eligibility age from 55 to 65 and cover all of the children and expand medicare coverage for elderly to include dental care, eye glasses and hearing aids. that's the incremental four-year program i wrote and i support. >> so if that house bill were to come to the senate, you would vote against it?
>> right now we're working on what i have fought for my entire life. health care is a right. it has to be comprehensive. the current system is dysfunctional. we spend hundreds of billions every single year on administrative costs, outrages compensation packages. ultimately we have got to do whatever every other major country does and save huge amounts medicare for all. >> there's been interesting debate about what it means and there's two different ways people are talk about it now. one you've talked about, four-year phase other is a medicare buy in. and you can option by the medicare race.
there's a bill with that name in the house. that was polling well. what do you thing about that as an alternative? why not slide towards the system in an optional way? >> because we have to recognize that current system is incredibly dysfunctional and wasteful. its it cause -- you're not going to be able to in the long run to have cost effective health care unless you get rid of the insurance companies, stand up to the greed and lower prescription drug costs. if you can provide quality care. i looked at health care the same way as i look at public education. same way i look at police protection and fire protection.
that is the most cost effective way to have health care for all. >> and you've been consistent on that. but the question is a, a path to get there and what for example you voted for a aca because that was an improvement on the status quo. would you vote for medicare for america if that came up in the senate? >> that ain't going to come up in the senate. >> unless mitch mcconnell want to troll. >> and you have republican leadership that want to throw murt 30 million people off of health insurance. i think we're going to stay focussed on the prize the prize is health care for all as a right regardless of income that we need doctors to have places where they are, have nurses to take on the drug companies.
and let me be very clear. i just spoke to i think 35,000 people at three different rallies and the point i made is this is not going to be an easy fight. when you have health insurance at 18% of our gdp, when we're spending $11,000 here the drug companies are incredible. they're going to buying and silling politicians. they have an enormous amount of lobbyists they respond a huge amount of money on campaign contributions. and the only way we win -- to my mind this is a political fight. do the american people stand up and take on the special interests or not? >> ironically they're not psyched on the idea of the supreme court striking down
obamacare one day and everyone waking up with the system in total disruption the next. i want to turn to another potential contender. mayor, i'll ask you the same question. were you surprised at all by the move by the justice department to go full on in calling for the aca to be entirely struck down? >> as a matter of policy, i'm not surprised. just take this health care coverage away. as a matter of political strategy i'm surprised because most americans want this and so at this moment when -- suddenly they're reminding us why so many of us are democrats. the amazing shift between 2010, when i was a young nominee for state treasurer and watching as
democrat on the ticket how we were getting beat up. and by 2018 it was the issue for democrats. tlrs bill was actually implemented and people liked it. in 2010 they're talking about all these theeratical things that might be. in the town halls in 2018 you had real americans saying this is what this bill has done to make my life better. and it turns out it's harder to lie to them about their every day life. again this is their policy. they call themselves -- i'm mystified the president thinks this will help them become the party of health care. i don't know how you can be the party of health care when you've made it abundantly clear your aposition on health care is to take it away.
>> there are two ways to thing about that. so one is people didn't know what it was and they saw obamacare and liked it. another is they're extremely risk averse no matter what. they don't like changes and they are worried about it and how much did that factor into your thinking of where the health care system should go next? >> it's one reason why a glide path towards a single payer environment should be what i call medicare for all for those who want it. not because it would be easier for those to swallow but because it's practical. anyone who raises hopes about medicare for all and anyone who allow the words to escape our lips often have a very credible, clear path about how we're supposed to get from here to there. the way i would do is take a version of medicare and if people are right and this is not
only going to be more widespread coverage and more cost effective than the current patchwork system we have now, then people are going to gravitate. >> they saw that in a glide path but it you're right and kirsten gillibrand and others are right, won't the health care industry fight that just as hard as out right medicare for all, if they know that's where it's going to go? >> if we fight it by coming up with something better, that would be nice. we have a system that is better than system ten years ago but still not good enough. too many americans are underinsured. we're paying more for worse outcomes. of course they're going to fight it from a prophetability perspective. if it's the right thing do do, most americans get it's the
right thing to do, we should go out there and talk about it, especially when this is not a matter of competing plans and they're picking on the green new deal framework and it's not democratic plan verses the republican plan, it's the democratic plan verses no plan at all. >> it's mayor of south bend for i think it's your eighth year if i'm not mistaken. u.s. health care system is 330 million people inordantly complex than i can get my arms around. why should someone trust that you with the experience you have and the complexities of that system? >> because we need leadership that speaks for the communities including industrial midwestern communities like mine for that matter rural communities that have left out of the process for a long time. i'm not applying to be the director of cms. i'm talking about the political
leadership that is needed in our country and this party to move us out of the situation we've been in and i would argue a mayor of any size alternate hour by hour has skills that are certainly a lot more evident thaj i would argue a senior member who has never in their lives managed more than 100 people. >> i've been reading the anecdotal accounts of your language ability. french, italian, spanish, arabic, maltese. you taught yourself to speak norwegian because you liked a norwegian book. i don't believe that. is that true? what level of profishancy are we talking or is this hello,
goodbye, good morning, goodnight? >> i'm not going to claim to be fluent, especially since it's been a while since i've had a chance to practice most of them? >> we're going to run a test. >> we can try it. i can read a newspaper article in italian. in a halting way i can do interviews in spanish on our spanish language radio station. tlrs norwegian crew came to interview me in south carolina. we lasted a while before i ran out of norwegian because i wasn't expecting it. i'm not selling myself as a linguistic genius. i think it's not bad to have lead rbz curious about other parts of the world that have talken time to learn about other languages and cultures, especially knowing that america is go having to a lot of work to do establishing our credibility in the rest of the world. >> anyone who can speak more than one, i'm in awe of.
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just say "teach me more" into your voice remote and see how you can have an even better x1 experience. simple. easy. awesome. weeks not months. that's the timeline a justice department official laid out for attorney general william barr to make a version of the mueller report available. there's an odd situation brewing. everyone is in agreement we should see the report. the house reported 420-0 for its releases. senators have said they supported release of the report and even donald trump said he was fine with it. >> it's up to the attorney general but it wouldn't bother me at all. >> when senate minority leader chuck schumer tried to get a resolution passed in the senate, the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell blocked him.
so what is it that republicans really want here? former assistant u.s. attorney general and head of legal counsel under clinton. what do you see as the process if it were being done entirely properly by which this report would be made public? >>ia would assume they would look for sources and methods, revelations you would want to redact but you don't finger someone in vladimir putin's inner circle. but that was not relied on by attorney general barr in his letter. he mentioned reviewing it for secret grand jury material. the process, you would assume shouldn't take that long because mueller and his team woulded have already identified the material that included in his
report that comes from grand jury information and they also would have perhaps alerted the attorney general earlier to any material that may effect any ongoing investigations. i'm a little troubled by the tone of the attorney general's letter about grand jury material. he says it's a strict law without acknowledging there are acceptions. and if you wanted to put all hands on deck on reviewing this material, you ought to do it in a matter of days, not weeks, but days. >> having worked at the department of justice. >> absolutely. if you made this a priority, you would have to do it. i think there's every good reason why they would want to continue to bask in what they perceive to be the glory of the attorney general synopsis of the report.
i think they may be spiking the ball early. the first 1/3 of that report is going to be a comprehensive review of russian, military intervention unour election and that is going to give the lie to anyone to suggest it wasn't warranted to have this investigation. it's going to also rauz a question of why there was no pushback. secondly even on the question of where there was more arguably an exoneration where it was good news for the campaign but no officials for the campaign are being charged for what mueller said would boo an actual understanding. doesn't mean that section of the report won't indicate the knowledge that the campaign had about the russia desire to intervene in the election and
the fact that no one apparently did anything about it. and the third part of the are report could be by far the most damming. i think people have totally misunderstood what robert mueller was up to. he may well be laying out all of the facts about the president's involvement in interfering with this ongoing investigation. he dids did not reach a conclusion about whether it should be criminally prosecuted because that's a hypothatical counterfactual. factual rather than assume. i think the mueller thought it would go to congress. the special counsel's decision leaves it to, i would have thought congress.
but leave it to the attorney general. and i think what you may find is it's perfectly consistent with everything in attorney general barr's letter that there's an account of the criminal interference in the investigation. >> he goes out of the way to say this does not mean he's exonerated. thank you so much for making time. coming up the many unanswered questions about what robert mueller found including one very exceptionally notable day i keep thinking about. cvs pharmacy.
as i said yesterday my primary interest in the mueller report from the beginning has been fundamentally factual. there's a lot that is confounding. and i would like to know what happened. the longer we sit here without the report, the more confusing things have become. by unanimous view looking at polling or insider accounts was november 2016, the baum administration accused them and the infam access hollywood tape. reince priebus told trump to drop out o, a man of sterling conviction and integrity walked around talking about how he couldn't look his daughter in the eye. >> i can no longer in good conscience endorse this person
for president. it's some of the most abhorrent and offensive comments you can possibly imagine. my wife and i have a 15-year-old daughter and if i can't look her in the eye and tell her these things can't endorse this person. >> that lasted five days. there was one silver lining that day. it happens to be the day wikileaks released their first hacked emails which were transcript oz of portions of some of the speeches hillary clinton gave to wall street. nothing afterwards even came close. but if you're a pub l trying to get publicity, why would you it put this in at 4:30 in an overwhelming news cycle? if you're hoping to release
whatever chaf you can, then it mocks senses. we know someone connected to the trump campaign texted way to go, dude. did he sit there thinking this is a good time? i just want to know. there are so many questions like these that are unanswered. msnbc legal analyst and staff writer covering the trump investigation and national security. that has always been my number one question of what happened on october 7th. >> oh, my god. see many questions, chris. and i think that's the most important thing to remember is we don't know what the mueller report contains? does he have a mountain of evidence that didn't ride to the level of a criminal standard? or does he have no evidence?
among my biggest questions are the manafort campaign data? the polling data that he gave to kilimnik in 2016? why did he do that? and was that sanction said by the trump campaign? carter page's trip to russia. what was that about? and why did he send an email for congrad lotting them for changing the ukrain platform that helped russia. and the wikileaks. was that dump october 7th coordinated in any significant way and who is this shady multiprofessor who had knowledge of the russian's hack on the democrats, told a member of the campaign about it and then virtually disappeared. >> who is he? was he lying? you can actually come up with
some exical puatory set of facts that in the case of wikileaks it was just a coincidence and assange did want to take it away but from himself. you -- maybe there's a bunch of facts. i would like to know those. >> right. exactly and i think that's why we have to reserve all judgment until we see the mueller report in its entirety. becausy with don't know how long it is at this point. the fact barr did not quote a single full sentence from the mueller report the fact he did not say there's classified information that needs to be redacted before it's released, tells me about the amount of detail that can be released. and what are they trying to conseal here by not including more in his report?
>> i think there are a number of questions. i'd like to see all of rachel maddow o's 15 questions answered. but the two key ones for me are one, what was mueller actually saying in the report in terms of not making a decision? was it simply he thought he was following the watergate road map process where he was turning over the evidence so that congress could make a political decision since the legal decision has been talken away from him by the office of legal counsel saying you cannot indict the president? then there's no reason in making an indictment. but there is reason to give the information to congress. is that what he was thinking? and the second is why is william barr taking the attitude that he has to stud a this for a long time? it's only to help the president the longer this is delayed becoming public and it would not
take very long to go to the court, district court and ask the chief judge to acknowledge there's a public interest in releasing the grand jury testimony. that's what we did in watergate. and it didn't take long for the judge in that case to say yes, it is in the public interest and there's an exception to the grand jury that allows the public release of grand jury testimony and every american has a right to know in the case of watergate whether the president was a crook which he says he wasn't. whether he's done something so terrible that he cannot be trusted to head the american government. and ideas rr like to know what two questions are and get going with that. >> with the kmuted toom you can get this ready in days, not weeks or months? >> yes. i think there are easy questions
of classified information. that's easy to identify and remove. in term of grand jury testimony t can all be released unless it endangered an ongoing investigation. since all of mueller's investigations are done, it's only if it effects something that has been handed off to another prosecutor. and those are easy to identify. so the rest of the is -- there's no reason not to release. it can be release. it certainly can be released to congress. and congress needs to have public hearings. we need to see the witnesses and that's something that only congress can do now. >> thank you both. coming up republicans reveal their answer to deal with climate change and ronald regan firing a dinosaur. plus, tonight's thing one, thing two starts next.
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>> are they bringing along the drums for the shot? their approach would would be la but for the fact there are hundreds of millions of people's lives on the line here, in this country, around the world, republicans have not suggested any meaningful resolution with the green new deal but put forward by congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez a vote backfired. we'll hear from one of the green deal's sponsors next. health insurance, you don't think about how much you need it until you need it. he's not going to be okay. from emergencies, to just regular life, having the right plan for you can mean all the difference in the care you get and how much you pay. don't worry sweetheart, it's going to get better. (silence) that's why i love health markets, your insurance marketplace. they guarantee you won't find a lower price
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practically everywhere else would be absolutely crushed. >> that was part of mitch mcconnell's game plan to dismiss the green new deal as a dream that will devastate the livelihoods of the country's middle class, middle americans and hold a vote to get democrats on the record about the said proposal. democrats overwhelmingly voted present when the resolution came up for a vote. four senators joined republicans in voting against the green new deal. to get a better understanding of what happened today, i'm joined by ed markey. how did you vote today? >> they gave us no hearings. we could have no expert witnesses. we could have no scientists. we could have no people from the states which have been affected by the massive climate related
damage, which has occurred from forest fires in california to the storms across the midwest, the hurricanes sweeping through texas and florida. none of that was allowed to be presented as part of a hearing process. they were making a sham to make a political point for the koch brothers and for the exxonmobil and the rest of their polluting buddies and we just decided that we would not participate in anything that was such a disgrace in terms of how it was treating the severity of this problem which is in climate change. >> today illustrated to me the enormous gap. i think the republicans by in large, your fellow colleagues, they see it all as a joke, as a stunt. the gap between what the actual physics are, what the science says, what the scale of the
challenge is and where the republicans are, it almost seems unovercomeble to me. does it to you? >> it is pretty big. i mean, the united nations and their scientists at the end of 2018 said that climate is warming so rapidly that it now poses a threat to the planet. the 13 federal agencies which are over climate issued their report at the end of 2018. they came to a conclusion that said this is very serious and we had to do something. standing on the other side is the republican party led by the denier and cheer donald trump who believes that it's a hoax perpetrated by the chinese that doesn't believe in the science and is pretty much putting a lobbyist to head the epa, an oil lobbyist to head the department of interior. they have made a complete and total joke out of this, but
unfortunately, it is not a joke. it is a real threat to this planet and that is why the green new deal that alexandria ocasio-cortez and i introduced triggered nationally an incredible response that we haven't seen in ten years on this issue. we're having the first debate on it in ten years. and it is now injecting itself into the presidential race and congressional and senate race across this country and it is not going to go away. >> so the 22nd elevator pitch for the green new deal on trump tv and among republicans is, you know, no cows, no burgers, no milling shakes, no planes, everybody is out of a job. what is your response and elevator pitch for someone that says what is this thing? >> not true, not true, not true. alexandria and i took a picture eating ice cream, which we both love saying -- >> that will show them. >> saying we need cows to get the ice cream.
so it's not true. we're not banning airplanes and cows. what we're calling for is a response to a threat and saying they need a green revolution. renewable, clean, non-greenhouse gas emitting technologies in our country and what we're calling on is for this country to respond the same way president kennedy did and he said he would send a mission to the moon and return it safely within ten years. he said we would have to invent technologies that did not exist. alloys that did not exist and systems and bring the back through heat, half the intensity of the sun and do so because we're bold. we're going to do it because it's hard and not because it is easy. we can do this. we now have 350,000 wind and solar workers in the united states of america.
there are only 50 thousand coal miners. we'll create millions of jobs in the clean energy sector. we can actually save all of creation by engaging in massive job creation. this green new deal is not just a resolution, it's a revolution. it's a technology revolution young people in our country but people of all ages want to see happen because they know that it is the national security, economic environmental health care and moral issue of our time and that's why it's not going away, and it's polling at the top in states around the country and along with health care as an issue to be dealt with in the 2020 election cycle. >> that was a long elevator ride but it was good. senator ed markey, thank you for taking the time. >> thank you. >> i'll talk with the other sponsor, the freshman congresswoman, maybe you've heard of her. she's a local figure here nobody paid much attention. alexandria ocasio-cortez this friday in my home burro of the
bronx. we'll talk about what is in the green new deal and how and if you can achieve the goals, what it takes to combat the crisis of climate change. don't miss it this friday right here at 8:00 p.m. eastern and that's "all in" for this evening. >> thank you, my friend. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. i don't know if you ever look at the website for our show at the news blog we maintain here every day. i'm not pitching it or anything, i'm just saying if you've ever noticed it, you might know an excellent, excellent old pal of mine writes the maddow blog and he's a policy guru for the editorial staff and as such, every day, steve gives me and all the producers on the show a briefing of the landscape of the day's news and blog later in the day and stuff over the course of the news day.