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we have a special show tomorrow. bob mueller's former chief of staff will talk about that his former boss did 300 pages and he does this type off thing. a wealth of information. and they'll be joined by carter a wealth of perspective. page and michael caputo. but don't go anywhere right now. ♪ "hardball" is up next. a wealth of opportunities. that's the clarity you get from fidelity wealth management. the trump/putin game. let's play "hardball." ♪ straightforward advice, tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. good evening, i'm chris fidelity wealth management. matthews in washington. today's opening day of the major league baseball season. and i'm struck. did donald trump or didn't he play ball with vladimir putin? it's a simple question. was trump responding again and again to putin's push to bring down hillary clinton? and the meeting, the public
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calls to moscow for her emails, the change in the republican platform to support ukrain, the talk of easing sanctions, was it all trump saying again and again to putin you keep up what you're doing and i'll make it worth your while? we're not going to get a lot of the answers until the full report is released. 300 pages that could go well beyond the principal conclusions the attorney general gave us in his four-page summary. until then we're not going to know all the investigators found out. the chairman of the house intelligence committee believes finding the answers to the questions, in terms of whether trump played ball with putin is a vital question to the country. we're weeks away from getting a look inside that 300-page mueller report and and adam schiff casted colleagues for pushing for the they're already trying to undercut it. truth. >> my colleagues may think it's devin nunes wants to attack the
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okay that the russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate fbi on how they originated the probe into the russian dealings. for president as part of what >> my major concern is that the was described as the russian's fbi and doj falsely claimed this government's effort to help the trump campaign. investigation didn't begin until late july. you may think it's okay. we now know for certain that's you may think it's okay their not true. only disappointment was the dirt we're now drafting a criminal they received on hillary clinton referral. wasn't betteder. we think it will grab everybody you may think it's okay that we need to grab to make sure presidential chairman of a campaign would offer information there's a proper investigation or at least our report to doj. about that campaign to a russian >> he's tlr republican oligarch in exchange for money congressman from california's or debt forgiveness. central valley. i don't think it's okay. according to the president the great american hero. i think it's amoral, unethical, >> they tried to destroy that man because he spoke up for good i think it's unpatriotic and and just and all of the things that you have to speak up for. but most people don't have the yes, i think it's corrupt and courage to do it. evidence of collusion. he will be some day hailed as a i do not think that conduct, great american hero for what he did. criminal or not, is okay. >> everyone else remembers him and the day we do think that's for when he raced down to the okay is the day we will look white house and returned to the back and say that is the day same white house the next america lost its way. morning with what he called hot
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>> that may be adam schiff's stuff against the fbi that he finest moment so far. later claimed he picked up from what he called secret sources. max frankal today wrote that >> what i saw has nothing to do trump's unseemly relationship with russia is hiding in plain sight. with russia and nothing to do with the russia investigation. quote there was no need for a has everything to do with detailed collusion between possible surveillance activities and the president needs to know vladimir putin oligarchy because these intelligence reports are they had an over reaching deal, out there and we have the duty the quid of help in the campaign tatell him that. against hillary clinton as you know we have to keep our enexchacenein sources and methods very, very quiet. exchange for the pro. >> but once exposed the down and the promise of policy changes back ride to the white house was not in itself illegal. made him seem like the president's gopher. tim o'brien is executive editor here was a member of another branch of government acting like of "bloomberg opinion". a courier for the man in the white house. i want to start with phil. this wasn't paul revere i know we've all been signaling if by land, two if by overwhelmed by the mueller report four-page summary from sea. now he's out riding again. barr that there was no crime that he can find by a reasonable the california congressman wants doubt. a new investigation into whether imagine if the history books are they did anything with the trump
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closed on this and it says trump investigation. had a lot of dealings back and this congressman is out forth with the russian oligarchs attacking the investigators themselves. and putin, he was offering all with the purp os of giving oplot -- much better u.s. policy this president the total on sanctions on everything else. exoneration he covets. oh, he's going to back them on that's "hardball" for now. their grab of ukrain or grab for "all in" with chris hayes starts ukrain. right now. and they couldn't prove to>> you might say that's j criminality and that's the end of the conversation. what you need to do to win. it seems some of the republican party would say wait a minute, do i agree with adam schiff who but i don't think it's okay. says is this okay the president was playing ball, to use an i think it's amoral. american phrase. >> republicans attempt a coup in the house. you do this, i'll do that? >> i think it's unpatriotic and is this story over becausia yes, corrupt. can't prove an actual crime in and evidence of collusion. the courts? >> the story's not over because >> as we get our first report about the size of the mueller report. mueller, according to the letter from bill barr saying he didn't >> in that report will be evidence of the existence of a have enough evidence to charge a conspiracy. crime here. >> tonight what we know about the more than 300 pages in the but that doesn't mean no evidence exists. and we can surmise there must be special counsel report the republican effort to keep it hidden. some details mueller's going to >> in that report will be
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share about what he and his evidence of obstruction of investigators uncovered. justice. and that's why the democrats in >> then. 2020 candidate amy klobuchar congress have been so adamant on mueller and her big policy about seeing the report anun themselves and not relying on the four-page summary of the report. >> it's a legal question and a political question. because the job of mueller was to dig up the facts, find out what the russians did, and also to find out if any americans were helpful to them, encouraging to them. and it's answered in 300-plus pages. he says the democrats and others in congress should be looking at before they make any judgment. your thoughts. >> we have to see the report before we can make any judgment. we're told the report is some 300 pages. we don't know how much of that is analysis and how much is exhibits. it could be that this is 300
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pages of analysis and there are exhibits beyond that. we'll have to wait and see. there's this universe of criminality, of conspiracy and our criminal justice system is only designed to make a decision of whether someone should be indicted and face prison for criminal conduct. it doesn't give them a blessing. for many people they can be subjected to a lawsuit or some other kind of regulatory activity, even if what they've done isn't criminal. >> i just wonder if anyone on earth think it's okay to have anyone, in this case the president's son, to go to trump tower to get dirt on hillary clinton? and then to change republican platform, according to the russians interest. and house speaker nancy pelosi.
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>> i have said and i'll say again. no thank you, mr. attorney general. we do not need your interpretation. show us the report and we can draw our own conclusions. twee don't need you intrp ret to us. it was condescending, arrogant and it wasn't the right thing to do. >> it appears increasingly unlikely that barr will comply to see the full unredacted report. jerry nadler spoke with attorney general barr last night and barr all but refused to give nadler an unredacted copy. the next step could be a subpoena. i want to go to tim on this and the questions. sometimes you miss the forest of the trees.
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it seems to me the question of impeachment and whether the president has abused his office, abecaused the political process to get to the presidency is the big one in broad daylight. i think this is true about obstruction too. firing comey, asking for a break for flynn, all those steps were pretty obvious what he was up to. humiliating sessions. all these steps to get to law enforcement and true justice were so obvious. i wonder if we're looking for something we found months ago. >> i think some of the questions that greeted the president when he was campaigning and after he won the election are still there. i'm primarily interest said in financial conflicts of interest that involve deals in russia, middle east, china and around the united states. and those don't go way because a law enforcement official has
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said certain actions that the family and members of the administration engage in didn't rise to a criminal offense. that doesn't obligate issues that touch on ethics, conflicts of interest and potentially the president creating policy making favors to fatten his own wallet. those existed when he came into office. they continue to exist today and they're right for exploration and there are other jurisdictions including the southern district of new york, the state attorney general's office, as well as states attorney generals elsewhere. i think it should be probed. and obviously adam schiff and other members of congress sit atop five committees that are exploring these things. no, i don't think there's any doubt there are issues that still need to be probed. what we're in the midst of is a
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profound b profound battle to spin what bill barr's letter meant and give it a closed door effect it shouldn't have right now. if the president says he's been completely exonerated and as the white house says, he's been completely exonerated, the easiest tool to use is to let the report come out and let people see what's in it. >> the question oof perception and you know how they do all these things. the fact they do this on a friday night -- all these old tricks they pulled. this coming weekend trump could win the first weekend because we haven't seen the report. >> and he's absolutely won the first week. this is not over and there's a lot more information that public is going to learn about this and trump and his allies are in danger right now of sort of calling a game before it's over and becoming embarrassed by --
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>> you hear that? are they worried they're setting themselves up? >> they don't acknowledge there's a worry. but if there's a 300-page report, there's likely to be something unflattering to the president that could come out and embarrass him. so this is a concern politically. >> the revision has begun. they're saying russia would have been better off with hillary clinton. watch him. this is nonsense. >> i hope we get along well with him but they would have been a lot better off with hillary clinton as president. russia if they were at all for me, and they were sort of for and against both. not just one way. but you look at all the different things. russia would much rather have hillary than donald trump. i can tell you that right now. >> that hot dogging in the end zone, which i think is illegal in the nfl. is nonsense.
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they had a clear preference for trump in the campaign. putin also said himself last spring, putin, not clinton. watch vladimir. >> president putin, did you want president trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that? >> yes, i did. yes, i did because he talked about bringing the u.s./russia relationship back to normal. >> let me go to joyce on this question. first of all the president throughout the campaign saying that anybody who told the truth was a rat. i mean he sounds like an old gangster movie from the '20s. a president would be interested theoretically, in the truth being told. here if you tell the truth you're a rat, a dirty rat. he talks like that. and earlier in the program, ari had a guest that said looks like he's going to get a pardon.
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if that's not public intimidation to obstruct justice, i don't know what it is. and especially this lying about putin again. it is a lie. >> this is a man who's in charge of the federal justice system, in charge of federal law enforcement. and he takes the most amerous stance. those are legitimate law enforcement tools. that's the way law engages in inaccountability for people who have violated criminal laws. and here we have the president so familiar and comfortable with the language of criminals and has so much difficulty with the search for truth that law enforcement engages in every day under his direction. >> vladimir putin said he was rooting for trump but it's obvious they were playing ball together to anyone who's paid attention.
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thank you, tim o'brien, for this experrer tease on this guy we're talking about, the president. coming up elizabeth warren plays "hardball." recently she was here. 2020 presidential candidate joins me to talk about the mueller report, trump's kill shot on obamacare which he's refreshed with the courts today and the i asked what would it be like to stand up to the guy across the stage? plus president trump is in michigan getting ready for his favorite past time. it's a rally to fire up his base. are we going to hear more treason charges against the democrats? son charges against t democrats?
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i wish she would have been in the race and i would say she's probably finished. but they have plenty left. >> elizabeth war withen seems to get under president trump's skin like no other candidate in the race. she was the first major democrat to jump in to replace donald trump. she's pushed some of the boldest and most progressive policies in the field including a wealth tax, breaking up amazon and facebook. and announced a plan to break up agricultural business. saying it's choking family farms. thank you so much. i got to get to some of the news and then we'll get to agriculture. 300 page mueller report. should that be subpoenaed by the congress? >> look, the report needs to be made public. the report needs to be made
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public. that's all there is to say. >> apart from the legality, which mr. mueller engaged in in investigating. let's talk about the whole picture with trump the russians. do you believe, was he playing ball with putin? >> you know, it's crazy for us to be talking about that though without the mueller report in front of us. the whole point is here's this 300-page report, pout the report out there, put it with the rest of the information we have and we'll all have a better idea. er the idea somehow we're going to hide this thing? no. just put the information out there. if, as the attorney general says, the conclusions have been drawn, then what's the problem letting the american people see it? >> things like the meeting at the trump tower, the call by the
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president as a candidate to get the emails from russia, all the meetings, all that suggest to you there was a back and forth going on, that putin wanted to help hillary and trump wanted to help him do that? >> it looks like pieces in the puzzle. you need all of the pieces. lay it out in front of us, let the american people see it all. there should be nothing hidden there. >> you're going after the big corporations, very much a teddy roosevelt trust buster. >> my favorite president. >> that makes sense. you're going after agriculture. the small farmer, we all love that small person, the family on the plains. we love them. how does this hurt them? >> a generation ago 37 cents out of every food dollar went into the farmers' pocket. today it's 15 cents out of every food dollar.
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what's happened to the rest of it? a handful of giant corporations have figured out how to grow bigger, take more of the profits for themselves, how to cut out the competition and how to put the squeeze on small and medium-size farms. they've done it through mergers, which i have opposed like the monsanto merger which is going to reduce the number of places they can buy seed from and the variety available and less competition in setting the price for those seeds. it also works in terms of vertical entegration. in the poeltry industry, they've figured out they will run every bit from fertilizing the eggs all the way to the end and getting the chickens slaughtered and packed up. they figured out which parts are
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profitable and they take that for the large corporations and the farmers, the risk is on the farmers and the ability to make profits has been squeezed almost to nothing. family farms are important. medium-sized farms are important. competition in farming is important. but the only way we do that is if we have enforcement of the antitrust laws. this is the same issue i keep talking about. washington works great for giant corporation, just not working for anybody else. >> maybe this is why gives you nicknames and goes after you. you're not happy with the word "socialist." you had lunch with a very major figure, alexandria ocasio-cortez in new york. what is the difference between you and the way she very proudly
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accepts the term socialist? >> what we talked about are the things we need to make big change in this country. this wasn't for us, about political labels. it was a conversation about how we make this country work better, not just for a thin slice at the top. how we make it work for everyone. and that's true when we're talking about child care, wealth tax. when we're talking about an america that right now is working great for the rich and the powerful. it's working great for twheez hire armies of lobbyists and lawyers. but this is our chance to be bold. our chance to say that we can truly from the grass roots up build a movement that makes markets, makes this country work better for everyone. it's not that hard. we pass a wealth tax, just to
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pick that one. 2% on the biggest fortunes in this country and we can do universal child care, universal pre-k. 0-5 all our kids and still have $2 trillion left over, money to reduce the student loan debt. money to put into housing. money we can use as a down payment on a green new deal. not just for those at the top but build a future for everyone. >> are you looking forward to a debate like this with the president? >> oh, yeah. you bet. people across this country get it. they understand what's not working for them. i see this. i've now done 40-plus town halls. i've taken nearly 200 open public questions. long selfie lines.
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people understand what's not working in this country. and they are fired up and ready to make change. and the way we do that is we point out what's wrong, exactly what's broken. where big corporations are squeezing people. this is how we fix it and how we're building the grass roots movement to make that happen. >> at least he's nart calling you pencil neck. he seems afraid of you. you know what i'm talking about. up next it looks like nobody was more surprised labelling the gop as the party of health care than republicans. they got nothing. they have nothing to live up to the president's promises. empty handed guys. empty handed guys. i'm a fighter. always have been. when i found out i had age-related macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan.
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what we do have a problem with, one that democrats wrote a bill that's unconstitutional. they promised us if you like your health care, you can keep it. we saw premiums have now risen and they said they would go down. >> obamacare has been an absolute disaster. if we win on obamacare t will be terminated in the court and we'll see what happens. >> close your eyes, you would think we're back in 2010 when the republicans were winning on the health care issue.
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but since then the public's backing of the affordable care act has grown with majority backing obamacare. and now donald trump wants to give it another -- he wants to get rid of it again. he ordered a kill shot, this time in the courts. one republican senator told "politico" we need a plan and right now we don't have one. i'm not going to just throw this out to the whims of our creativity. and another person close to the president said trump knows he made a mistake but he's dug in now. and a plan was in the works. >> what is the plan that white house will have to replace it so that 20 million americans are not suddenly without health insurance? >> you should rest assured that 20 million americans will not be without health insurance.
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there's going to be plenty of time for us to come forward with more detail. >> that's a promises president trump has made again and again. >> we're going to take care of everybody but we're going to end up with a great plan that costs much less money for the people and for the country. >> we're going to have health care, it's going to happen. as soons a we work on the taxes, it's going to happen. i think now we have a plan that's going to be great. we are coming out with so many health care plans that are so much better than anything you've seen before. and if the supreme court rules that obamacare is out, we will have a plan far better than obamacare. and former senator and former congressman, republican from florida. the big one up front, senator, is how do you have protections for people with preexisting conditions, diabetes and they can get health care at a
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reasonable price when you don't have a plan? >> you said it, krils rr. they've got nothing. i think the biggest fraud and hoax in the last decade was the notion that the republican party had a way to bring down health care costs and also keep insurance companies off the back of the american people by protecting preexisting conditions. they have said repeal and replace for a decade. they have never had a replace plan that did any of the things they promised. and i'll tell you what's really interesting to watch. president trump has now dumped this on mitch mcconnell's lap. everybody's trying to throw the potato around and they're trying to throw it back to the white house. i think it's important for the democrats in congress to say every day "where is the president's health care plan?" because they do not have one that will work for the american people. >> what does the republican
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party do if the supreme court -- it's a republican supreme court basically. if now without the tax and the sanction to pay into it, what happens if they do strike it down as unconstitutional, isn't your party stuck empty handed for 20 million people? >> unthat case the only path forward would be a bipartisan compromise. there were republicans and democrats trying to craft an agreement. but that's the only potential plan. i can assure you republicans ar this last statement by the president on health care. i remind you that the president just a couple years ago had a big celebration at the white house when the house did pass a repeal and replace measure only to call it a mean bill a couple weeks later. so i don't think there's a lot of trust between congressional republicans and the white house.
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and i can assure you no one is excited about this latest escapade. >> back in the '30s i heard a tape of fdr "republicans always say we're going to do everything the democrats do and it's not going to cost you a nickel." and now they're going to give you health care, preexisting conditions, coverage up to 26 without a program. it's the music man. it's nothing. >> almost from day one when you do a big change in the health care system like we did with the aca, there were things that needed to be fixed and tweaked. and as usual all he cares about is getting republicans elected. so he didn't want to work with us to fix some of the things that can be and still can could be fixed in the aca because they were so determined to make obamacare the bad guy.
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and here's the other thing that irritates me about what's being said today. there's no hurry here. there are millions of americans that will go to bed tonight worried because of what's being said about health care. people worried that there are caps oen their policies again. people whose children getting ready to go off their policies aren't going to find a place where they can get the affordable coverage they can now. worried they can't get covered because they've been sick before. if they in fact are going to put something else in place, they owe it to the american people to do this tomorrow. not to play around politically and pretend they have a plan when they're not willing to show it to the american people. >> one thing that's been pretty static is women voters tend to care about health care because
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they generally worry more about it, just a fact. they're the care takers, they watch insurance covers and what it doesn't cover. men are somewhat oblivious sometimes. that's a fact. and the women swamp you in the numbers. doesn't the republican caucus led by smart people like mccarthy and sometimes mitch understand you're giving up the majority voter, which is the woman on this issue? it's a killer issue, health care? >> just look at the 2018 elections. democrats used health care. it was the most prominent issue in all their ads. and that delivered them a 40-seat win in the house of representatives and it was a lot of suburban women that did abandon abandoned republicans. i remind everyone it's thanks to congressional republicans in the bush administration that seniors have a prescription drug benefit. the difference between then and
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now is the bush administration and congressional leaders of the time had a plan. they try to approach democrats, they work would some democrats. there is no plan today. there wasn't a plan in the 115th congress when republicans started the effort to repeal and replace the aca. that's the big difference. there's no plan. so for now this is just a gift to congressional democrats because republicans were already clobbered in the 2018 election because of the health care issue. >> well said. on his way to michigan president trump announced he would reverse his administration's propose tool kill money for the special olympics. >> the special olympics will be funded. i heard about it this morning. i have over ridden my people. we're funding the special olympics. >> claire mccaskill, i think the president heard the public's reaction to cutting the program that benefits, especially young
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americans that have challenges. >> if he just heard about it this morning, that's a head scratcher because this has been out there for certainly a couple of days now. and i really think the other thing that's interesting about this is he's not revurszing anything. they have submitted a budget to congress and congress is going to ignore the cuts to special olympics. my form colleague, republicans in missouri, the heads of the appropriations committee in the senate said yesterday there's no way he was going to cut funding for special olympics. this is a congressional decision. the president doesn't have the power to do this. but once again he wants to make it look like it's all about him, even though it's about a whole lot of young people that have a opportunity that should be supported by every level of government. >> well said.
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policy against me and what we were playing out until recently was the insurance policy. they wanted to do a subversion. it was treason. if the republican party had done this to the democrats, if we had done this to president obama, you'd have 100 people in jail and it would be treason. it would be considered treason and they'd be in jail for the rest of their lives. >> that was last night. reports they want to make mueller's find agz core piece of 2020. quote trump allies see bar's letter as a swiss army knife a tool useful in all kinds of situations. not only is it exical puatory and rebuked the press for its coverage of the russia investigation. as i said president trump is speaking to supporters in michigan now and his exoneration
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o, that's good! welcome back to "hardball." president trump is speaking from grand rapids, michigan. and from the start he had one message, revenge. >> the russia witch hunt was a plan by those who lost the election to try and illegally
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regain power by framing innocent americans, many of them. they suffered. with an elaborate hoax. today our movement and our can country are thriving. their fraud has been exposed and the credibility of those who push this hoax is forever broken. and they've now got big problems. >> i'm joined by politicsedter for "the" i've never heard these words in modern american politics. treason, hoax. it's the language with of a 3rd world country and the loser says it was rigged. this is venezuela talk. i'm saur ea. >> i am going to defend the president. in fairness the words he said about himself, agent of russia,
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all these things the last couple of years. he is acting like a man who was wrongly accused. >> you think he wasn't playing ball months? >> everybody said the russians had their polling data. that meant nothing -- >> they gave it to the russians. >> for what reason? the russians could have done their own poll. >> he's saying russian police -- every single thing that president was saying showed he had -- it's only because his phone wasn't working that day. >> going after the guys with the hats on. i know all about this. but what about vengeance? is this going to insight them to vote in 2020? >> he's putting a stake in the heart of the issue the democrats want tad run on oin 2020. >> empires? >> no.
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what the republicans want to run on are two things. look at the economy and look how they want to make us into -- >> here he goes after the guy called pencil neck. he went after intelligence chair adam schiff of california. >> little pencil neck adam schiff. i saw him today. well, we don't really know. there could still have been some russia collusion. sick. sick. these are sick people. and there has to be accountability because it's all lies and they know it's all lies. >> he makes it physical. he says he has the thinnest neck. this is school yard stuff. >> this is what the president always does.
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look, he's -- when joe biden says i'll take you behind the bleachers and punch you, he might do it. >> two 78-year-old guys pounding each other. >> but the truth of the matter is that sort of violence jins up his audience. this is absolutely incorrect. there is not one democrat running on impeachment. the democrats won 2018 -- >> that's going to happen regardless. >> he's got to win michigan or pennsylvania. and he has -- where's the
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strength in michigan? >> certainly but they're going to contest in pennsylvania as well and the reason is why this mueller thing mattered is he can still see what they tried to do in washington to us reformers. >> it's not going to change anyone's mind. the democrats are going to run on economy, corruption and health care, are all things he continues to give to them on a regular basis. >> it looks like the washington elitest went after a president -- >> we're losing in the time fight here. >> the president now has his message because he can say look what they tried to do to me because i did everything for you. >> can he get about 46? i mean election e, can he get past 45%? >> it doesn't matter. >> he's going to pencil neck his
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opponents. he's only going to run a negative campaign. >> it doesn't matter anymore. >> he's going to have to do more than just show up in michigan. he's going to have to have a message other than school yard names. >> he doenominated one of your social democrats who are never going to play in michigan -- >> democrats are going to be running on other issues. >> i'm not going to tell him but i know what they are. he can go after the socialist tag because it's not about ideology. husband and wife both make 150. they're coming after us, not the billionaires the millionaires. that's how epipooal hear the word "socialism." up next devin nunes rides again. trump's top aclite wants to investigate the investigators. or as he sees them, the
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