tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC March 28, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
all with the purp os of giving this president the total exoneration he covets. that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. to>> you might say that's j what you need to do to win. but i don't think it's okay. i think it's amoral. >> republicans attempt a coup in the house. >> i think it's unpatriotic and yes, corrupt. and evidence of collusion. >> as we get our first report about the size of the mueller report. >> in that report will be evidence of the existence of a conspiracy. >> tonight what we know about the more than 300 pages in the special counsel report the republican effort to keep it hidden. >> in that report will be evidence of obstruction of justice. >> then. 2020 candidate amy klobuchar
on mueller and her big policy announcement. plus just what is happening at the border? and tremain lee reports why they need a green new deal in the bronx when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. we now know the title of the actual mueller report in the book report offered by bill barr. it is more than 300 pages long and titled the report on the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. because the entirety of the investigation itself centered around the fact that a foreign intelligence service interfered in a wide scale way to tip the scales towards donald trump. our question is did any marecons help with that?
barr said the investigation did not establish members of the trump campaign conspired or coordinated with the russian government in its election interference activities. but even the most good faith summary of a 300-plus page document is going to leave out a lot of stuff that's germane. republicans have seen an opportunity with the four-page summary to win a final rhetorical battle over dmps who have been pointing out established facts about the behavior of the trump campaign during that election. all nine of the members demanded chairman adam schiff resign for saying that the trump -- >> they refute your past and present assertions and have exposed you of having abused your position to knowingly promote false information. we have no -- and urge for your
immediate resignation of the committee. for but schiff was not having it. we only have time to play a portion of schiff's response. >> i'm going to turn to our witnesses of the hearing today. but before i do and instead of addressing the hearing to simply attack me, consistent with the president's attacks. i do want to respond in this way. my colleagues may think it's okay that russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate for president as parted of what was described as the russian's government's effort to help the trump campaign. my colleagues might think it's okay that when that was offered to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the campaign, that president's son did not call the fbi, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help. no, instead that son said that
he would love to help with the russians. and i will tell you one more thing aprupo of the hearing today. i don't think it's okay during a presidential campaign he sought the kremlin's help to it have cons crate a real estate deal in moscow that would make him a fortune. i don't think it's okay he consealed it from the public. i don't think it's okay he advocated a more favorable policy towards the russians, even as he was seeking the kremlin's help to make money. i don't think it's okay his attorney lied to our committee. there's a different word for that. than collusion. and it's called compromise. and that is the subject of our hearing today. mr. ambassador, you're recognized for your opening statement. i will not yield. i will not --
>> we think you ought to allow to us speak. >> you attacked me in your opening statement. >> i have not had an opportunity to respond at all. because no one over here thinks that. >> mr. attorney, you're not recognized. ambassador, you're recognized. >> adam schiff was one targets sent out by the 2020 campaign that had a memo that guests you're booking might be unreliable. and joining me is another law makeren that list on the senate judiciary committee. i want to read you the quote that was in the booking memo because something you said to me on october 17th of last year the evidence is pretty clear there was collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. were you wrong? >> i was right and you just heard why i was right from adam schiff.
>> what you're saying is a collusion appropriately names what weall re already know abou publicly accessible information. >> like the trump tower meeting or the providing of private polling data while they were conducting a social media manipulation campaign aiding trump or the trump tower negoeln negotiations and there are many more are already in the public domain. what we don't have is the trump/mueller report. we have the barr book report and there is likely to be a lot more evidence of conspiracy, even if it doesn't rise to the level of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. >> i want to put markers done in advance. my position is i don't know what's in that report.
i am inclined to think there's not going to be a shocking distance between barr's summary and the report itself. >> my expectation is there will be more evidence of both conspiracy between the trump campaign and russians. and also more evidence of obstruction. number one, the barr book report, its summary of the mueller report says it did not exonerate the president. >> one of the few things it quotes is an explicit nonexoneration from mueller. >> and obstruction is fundamental here because it involves the hindering of investigation, which might have disclosed more evidence of that conspiracy, like criminal intent. but here's the main point. none of us know what is in the mueller report. the american people deserve it. they paid for it.
they need to know everything that's in it. the failure to disclose it fully and completely would forever taint this attorney general. >> it's a weird thing because nomally everybody agrees it should come out. 75% of people, 420 to nothing in the house, unanimous consent that's been denied twice now, once by rand paul and with once by mcconnell. what do you think the status of this is? >> the attorney a general, william barr has been adroit. this letter is elegantly but brazenly in the way avoidance of the traugt. he has framed the headlines. he has created the message. and he said in response to my
urging him to support my legislation with senator graham, senator grassley, bipartisan, that he would look at it but he wouldn't commit to it. and that would require full and complete disclosure. he has yet to commit to it. my fear is he will redact it. he will say certain parts of it should be kept private for reasons that relate to the confidentiality of individuals. y with need to see the whole report. >> are you confident that should there be redactions for any of three reasons, classified information, grand jury secrecy and assertions of executive privilege. is it your expectation that those redactions will be flagged as such in the report? meaning you will know there are portions not there? >> my hope is that they will. i have no confidence that the attorney general will.
i -- >> you think he may just edit it out you don't have any -- >> i have no confidence in the barr version, if it is redacted without any explanation as to either of those legitimate reasons. the order of grand jury secrecy. the need for confidentiality based on ongoing investigations or certain privacy interests that may be asserted. my fear is he will resort to executive privilege which has no basis whatsoever. >> good to have you back. for more on the republican push to declare victory on the mueller report u we have two guests with unique insight on the subject. congresswoman who voted on the impeachment. for president nixon. and bob bauer, former white house counsel to barack obama and now professor at of law at
university law school. let me ask you a question about the letter and the letter with the fact that it's a 300-page resum razing something we did not know until today. >> i think this letter is a disingenuous effort to try to suggest that the president of the united states is somehow innocent. the fact of the matter is not having seen the report, 300 pages is not all about nothing. it's all about something. and the real question is whether we're seeing a cover up in slow motion, fast motion or whether the american people are going to get the facts because the issue here is -- if we don't get the facts, we're not going to know whether the president of the
united states actually engaged in criminal conduct because we have mr. barr's version of what is criminal and what's not. and maybe mr. mueller's suggestion of the evidence says something else. we don't know how mueller has presented the evidence. we don't know how strong it is and the american people need to know ewhether the man in the white house is a crook or not. that's really the central issue here. whether he is engaged in criminal conduct. one of the things that barr said is that mueller did not engage in traditional prosecutorial judgment. what's that about? >> it's a weird phrase. >> what we need to know is under traditional prosecutorial standards a crime was committed or not and we need to know
whether the reason the prosecution wasn't engaged in here was because there was a legal barrier and not a factual barrier. >> you served as white house counsel in the obama administration and i'm concerned about the question of executive privilege. is it your expectation it will go to the white house counsel in advance of disclosures by barr to be given an opportunity to redactions? >> and if there's one thing i think we know about attorney general barr, he has very strong views about executive authority and in this case, protection of privileges. i would be astonished if he did not engage the white house counsel in a discussion of the basis they will claim for any redactions grounded in that privilege. >> one thing i always find confusing is essentially who
adjudicates them in the end? if the white house counsel says actually all 300 pages are covered? you can give them sheets of paper with all blacked out. go ahead. who's to say they can't do that? >> barr would know if a claim that extreme and absurd is made he know eventually the courts should decide and the courts will certainly lose. i think barr would not want to lose that battle and he would be calling on the white house counsel to exercise the best possible judgment in these matters. let me say one additional point about this. it's important to have the report not only as congresswoman said because there's ongoing questions about whether the president in fact did engage in conduct in a violation of the law. there report is important also because this is a president shattering norms one after the
other that are essential to the presidency as a constitutional office. and we shouldn't lose that public interest dimension here as well. this is not all about the law, as important as that inquiry continues to be. so i don't want to lose sight of that as well. >> there's also to me -- let's s say there's three categories. obstruction, whether they coordinated or conspired with russians and then there's the stuff on the russian plot itself. what they are did. even if everything in those two categories are exculpatory. >> unlikely. >> let's say that happens. there's still a lot to know about the russians did. all we have are basically two
indictments. did they start with trump? did they go to the general election? >> one thing we need to emphasize is donald trump still has not acknowledged the existence of russian interference in this election and that's a really important thing. he keeps calling this a hoax but the important thing for the american people to know is a foreign government tried to put its fingers on the scales, try to destroy the right of our free vote and that's -- what are we go doing after the next election? so this is really important for this document to become public not only for the reasons i suggests and profess bower suggested. >> appreciate it. up next senator amy klobuchar accomplishes something the president hasn't managed to do. e president hasn't managed t do
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we're working on a plan now. there's no very great rush from the standpoint we're waiting for decisions in the court. if we win on the determination off obamacare, we will have a plan far better than obamacare. he has no plan at all for what to do afterwards and considering last time they tried to get rid of obamacare, it cost them control of the house in several state capitals. and one republican senator who didn't want to use their name told "politico" quote we can need a plan and right now we don't have one. i'm not going to throw this to the whims of our creativity. for years the president has been promising a beautiful health care plan which has yet to materialize, not unlike his
beautiful infrastructure plan. amy klobuchar rolled out an actual infrastructure plan for public transit, and energy systems. democrat from minnesota and 2020 presidential candidate joins me now. it's good to see you. am i to understand this, which is the first big policy roll out you've had. were you elected president, you had a congress you can work with, this is the first thing you'd come out with? >> this is the first big bill i'd work with to get through the congress. i think there's other things i'd like the do immediately like get us back in the climate change agreement. you can do that with a stroke of a pen. but this is a big project you would have to work with republicans in the senate. you'd want to work with people
to get this done. what i did here is something the president seemingly has been unable to do even though he said this was one of his top priorities and that is lay out a plan for infrastructure. motivated by what happens from my house when the bridge fell down in the middle of a summer day killing 13 people. rail systems, water systems. look at the flooding in iowa and it means infrastructure, sewer systems, some of the stufr stuff that's not so glamilous. this last winter and the heat wasn't working. and i showed how i was going to pay for it. and so far this president's plan has been a mirage. he says he wants to do it and he puts 1/5 of the money throughout and doesn't show how he's going to pay for it and hasn't been able to get it done. >> i think the first item is roads and bridges.
do you see those as intention in any way? fossal fuel driven cars and the way those drive emissions under the kind of old combustion engine? >> not really because i think you're going to have an electric grid in the future. you're still going to need roads but you're going to have to adjust some of the signage and how those roads work. but certainly part of this is transit and making sure we have good rail and other things that are very consistent with those goals. one of the ways you pay for this, which you didn't ask but i can't help but want taput it out there and that is the portion of the republican tax plan that was so regreszive where the corporate tax went down to 21%,
every point was $100 billion. you could still be at 25% and have $400 billion for infrastructure. the way they did the overseas money is unbelievable because no one could figure it out. they did it as an average of all the country's taxes. you could take 150 billion on that overseas money. and so you combine it, plus ai do government bonds and infrastructure finance authority which will attract some private money and invest about 1/3 of it and you can literally get to the trillion dollars. something republicans and independents have been asking for, for a long time. >> there's an argument to be made that that depth of the tax cuts because they cut so deeply. you voted present among your
colleagues, except four on the green new deal. but do you support it? what is your feeling about it? >> yeah, i'm a co sponsor and i think it's so important to move forward and start doing something about it. we could put a man on the moon, we can meet some of these goals. we may not reach every single goal. i think it's important not to squelch the energy behind the green new deal. instead of coming up with how we're going to do everything from gas mileage standards to the clean power rules, mitch mcconnell is playing games. he wanted to see if he could create a divide among democrats in the u.s. senate. and he pretty much lost that bid because instead we turned it on them and said just like year doing on health care. like you started out.
what's your plan? you have a president who's decided he wants to kick everyone off of preconditions. a president going backwards on climate change when fires are raging and floods are decoming down the midwest. and maybe you should come up with a plan if you can't, the voters already spoke in 2018 and they're going to speak again in 2020. >> i want to ask you about a exchange you had with rand paul in the senate. you asked for unanimous consent for a resolution that passed 420-0 to make the full mueller report public. said he wants all of the i guess material that began the investigation under obama to be made public. a good faith one or a bad faith? >> i don't think that was good faith and i kept going back to him with 420-0 in the house of
are representatives they voted this report should be public. nearly 90% of the public wants to see it. why? i think at its core we need to see this for national security. it's hundreds of pages. we're going to find out much more about the russians did and we've got bills on the table right now to secure election equipment. my bipartisan bill to have back up paper ballots. i think the public needs to see it. and i was actually quite surprised they objected given the vote we had in the house o. >> thank you for coming by. coming up the story behind this image of migrants being held in a holding pen beneath a highway over pass. beneath a highway over pass. oh, hey jeff, i'm a car thief... what?! i'm here to steal your car because, well, that's my job.
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breaking news tonight on immigration, nbc news reporting, department of of homeland wants sweeping athoort accompany migrant children faster, along with other changes. as apprehensions have jumped, although still well below the peeks you see there. customs and border says they're overwhelmed by the number of migrants arriving. and they say the agency a's own policies have exacerbated the situation. these showing a makeshift detention area for migrants trying to cross into the u.s. an improvised holding pen is
holding as a processing center. the national security and justish reporter who broke the story about department of homeland security and unaccompanied minors. and what she thinks are the legislative fixes in order to deal with this influx of migrants. most of these are families of children claiming asylum. she's proposing this to congress so it could be dead on arrival. the solutions are to return unaccompanied central american children who come on their own and placed would a relative responsor to deport them back to their home countries and she wants to be able to hold families indefinitely. that's a policy we've heard them pitch before. she wants for central americans to be able to apply for asylum in their home countries.
they say that's not a solution. and she wants more money. hundreds of thousands. she's not talking millions, billions, which is usually budget speak for more. thousands more beds needed to hold children if they don't come through with these legislative fixes. for me it outlines the priorities they're still holding to in the wake of this influx. >> there's a consent decree that requires them only to hold families for 20 days. so they have to get out of that. in terms of deportation, the unaccomp enaed minors do have a process. are they going to short circuit that? change the process? >> and children have an added right under something called tdpra. we have to bring them in and they aren't readily de30r9ed. shelter them, provide some kind
of sponsor. and it takes a long time to get them through the system. now too many children are coming through and it's a pull factor. we should shut off that factor by deporting children quickly and not putting them through the process where they are have a sponsor advocating. >> and director of racial economic justice center intimately connected to the work at the border. there's a massive surge. they have numbers that appear to back that up. we therefore need to trun kate the processes in place that give these people a process towards asylum. >> even though there's been an increase in the numbers, it's nowhere near the 90s and the 2000s.
and that's not the reason for the current situation. the reason is two fold. first, you have people being turned away at ports of entree. so people are coming to apply and they're turned back and they have to cross in between ports. so through the river and then they're arrested. and instead of gradually processing them and releasing them. they're accumulating them literally and then releasing them by the hundreds to create this semblance of a crisis of chaos. we saw the images yesterday literally caging immigrants in internment camps to justify an attempt to dismantle the asylum system and that's what the letter by secretary nielsen is. >> and i've been looking at the numbers. there clearly is an uptick because of the new metering rules in effect. they have to wait in mexico where it can be dangerous. there clearly is -- there are
more people coming. i want you to explain your evidence. they are manipulating the ways in which they process folks to warehouse a bunch of them and release a bunch of times so they can create these images. >> the number we saw, they started dropping from over 100 people a day two weeks ago and if that was the reason why people were coming in larger numbers in families and that's why they were attica pasty. in instead of releasing them in an orderly fashion, four or five days we started seeing releases of 400, 500, 600 people. >> so as opposed to process and release on a daily basis. they go four or five days and a big group of people releasing them all at the same time.
i have heard this is a thing they've undertaken. they've started dumping hundreds of people at say a church at the same time >> that's exactly right and it happened to conveniently coincide to the secretary visit yesterday and the visit yesterday. to create these images and perceptions of crisis at a border when none exist. >> there really is a capacity issue to be able to process the amount of people in terms of immigration judges, even if this was in the most humane way possible. do you think they have the resources and can capacity they need? >> let's focus on the resources. instead off trying to deport central american privilege, bed priving them of the rights under protections act, instead of focusing on that, let's revamp
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unpurely like anything unpurely like anything . in his explosive testimony to congress last month michael cohen called his long-time boss a chief and told us how the president cheats. >> it was my experience that mr. trump inflated his total ass assets when it served his purpose, such as trying to be listed among the wealthiest people in forbes and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. >> nothing about lying to forbes to make yourself look richer than you are. sad and broken but not illegal.
lying to a bank about your assets is a different story. >> i'm giving to the committee today three years of mr. trump's personal financial statements from 2011, 2012 and 2013, which he gave to deutsche bank to inquire about a loan to buy the buffalo bills. >> tonight the "washington post" has remarkable reporting on those financial statements as well as from 2002 and 2004. the "post" showed them to an accounting professor. "it's humorous. it's a humorous financial statement." and he's not wrong. trump claimed revenue from 24 locks at a california golf course that don't exist and added 800 nonexistent acres to the vineyard in virginia and my favorite, he added 10 imaginary stories to trump tower. falsely claiming it was 56 stories tall. it's not.
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levels and brains are damaged for the rest of their lives. >> there is a reason alexandria ocasio-cortez ocasio-cortez, that's the reason we're doing the green new deal and the particular threat climate change poses to that burro. among many other things, it's home to one of the largest food dis transcri distributors to the world and neighborhoods that are dealing with all kinds of environmental degradatio degradation. >> reporter: the hunts point market is the largest food distribution center on the planet. every year, $5 billion worth of meat, produce and fish pass through here feeding some 21 million people in the region. the vast market spreads across 329 acres on the tip of the
south bronx but this valuable stretch of shoreline is among the homost vulnerable in the ci. nothing protects it from storm surge. >> when hurricane sandy came, we got lucky. we flooded a little bit but not as bad as i could be. the regional economy could be washed away if the storm surge breached these markets are vulnerable to that and that would be catastrophic to the area. >> reporter: when you think about protecting the envier skpmt -- environment and the green new deal, should workers be scared? >> workers should be engaged in them. i think they are used as political footballs to divide groups. if you're for the environment, you're anti business and i don't think that's true. i know it's not true because we worked here to try to do both. who wants polluted water? nobody wants that. >> reporter: the balance between jobs and a clean environment is an everyday reality for many people in the south bronx.
>> on the front line on justice are the ones of climate change. one and the same are the ones that suffer the most. >> reporter: how much of that has to do with who we're talking about? they were talking about poor black and brown people. >> we call the environment racism. this community was mostly a wide n neighborhood, this degradation wouldn't exist. you wouldn't see heavy industrial use in one area centralize in a poor community of color. >> reporter: the south bronx is one of the poorest congressional districts in the nation. these delivery trucks and industrial sites pollute the air. >> the south bronx is one of the districts that processes a large part of new york city's waste. we have over 30% processed here so as a result, we have poor, poor air quality and a community that has waste inequity. recruiting people have been affected and our hope and vision
in the future is we're able to now give them gainful employment, that they can be part to sustain themselves and their families. >> there are a lot of problems in the south bronx related to poverty and insta fa strufrastr one. because of the diesel trucks and industry, there is a challenge. >> when you think about environmental concerns, the red and blue, green algae and fracking in the midwest. when you think about urban environments, you have diesel fuel and proximity to toxins and waste treatment plants but you also have kids dying every single day of asthma and other morbidities. when folks talk about it's elitest, go to the south bronx. we stood there half of the afternoon and watched truck after truck go by. you don't see that in other communities. >> in that specific case, we're talking about a diesel engine and combustion engine, that's
driving climate change. part of the theory is two birds, one stone approach. what do you learn when you went to hunts point market which is one of the most fascinating points of the city. >> i was skeptical saying they are contributing to this. you talked to the president of the teamsters out there, he says it's simple. we find ways to cut back on degradation. we have to drive trucks through but let's find different routes. when you talk about to cycle of creating the greenhouse gases and toxic soup with the sledgehammer of hurricanes more often and coming through but those who are vulnerable before the storm are made more so afterbecause whafte after because when you have low poverty, they benefit. you can expand the market and get the roof on the house. the cycle, the loser always is the poor and working class. >> one of the things new york city is talking ability a climate mitigation project.
someone was talking about lower manhattan, the most valuable real estate in the wall will have a huge seawall protecting it. it's unclear whether the south bronx will get the same thing. >> cinder blocks. you see per usual who and what they are trying to protect. that market goes under water, 12 hours later if sandy struck, you would have 12, 13 feet of water. >> termaine lee, thank you for doing that. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. tomorrow we'll hold this special event, we've been working hard in my home burro of the bronx. all in america, the green new deal with alexandria oh gas o ocasio-cortez and we'll get to the bottom of something lost in the coverage of this extremely polarizing policy that dominates trump tv and conservative talk
radio. what is it? does it mean? don't miss it tomorrow night here at 8:00 p.m. eastern. "the rachel maddow show" starts now. >> what is it and as a related matter, why does it make them so cra crazy. tomorrow will be fantastic. thanks to you at home for joining us. september 9th, 1998, a wednesday, two white vans pulled up to capitol hill and what capitol hill police officers opened up the back of the vans, they started pulling out big banker-sized file boxes and hauling them into the gerald r. ford office building. and that day, that unexpected arrival of vans containing big banker's boxes is how their learned ken star finished his