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because he was speaking to them. i thought that's what made it so powerful. >> it was. how they could respond to that because he caused them out on every single point succinctly five minutes pretty much wrapped it all up. you have better things to do. >> you have a great show to do. we'll be watching that. >> thank you so much. a good day to all of su from here in new york. just a bit past noon in the east is, 9:00 a.m. in the east. deadline looming. congress demands the mueller report by tuesday. the attorney general says not so fast and delivered another new letter decoding that next. >> closing the border. they'll close it. we'll keep it closed for a long time. i'm not playing games. >> shutdown threat, the potential fallout if the president closes everything between the u.s. and mexico. is that even possibleable? beto mania. the rising democrat holding his campaign kick off rally in texas. we'll take you there as it
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unfolds. hey, hey. that's $7sñunacceptable. that's the difference between me and trump. >> green new deal, a spirited town hall that leaves aoc expressing exactly how she is different than the president. those details next. but live this hour, the battle over the mueller report reaching a new level. democrats standing firm on wanting to see the full report with no redactions by tuesday. but the attorney general writes in his latest letter that he'll release a redacted version. grand jury material, intelligence information, material that impacts ongoing cases and quote information that would unduly infringe on the personal privacy and reputational interests of frefrl third parties he will not release. he also promises the white house will not have a sneak peek and he's also defending his memo saying the letter was "was not
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and did not purport to be an accounting of the special counsel's investigation but a summary of its principal conclusions." you rudy giuliani this morning proclaiming victory and attacking democrats. >> they:txpñ create these false impressions for the american people. they're like dishonorable salesmen or something. sheisters. >> moments ago, joy reid spoke with representative eric swalwell who says democrats are ready for the the legal fight to get the full unredacted mueller report. >> the president is outnumbered in that the voters gave us a balance of power over these abuses of power. they gave us the subpoena power this past november. we'll subpoena. we're confident if we have to go to the courts because of the judicial precedent that exists through the watergate litigation that that's also on our sight, too. >> nbc white house correspondent kelly o'donnell is following the president for news west palm beach, florida. i think you changed your
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position from earlier this morning. as we look at there week, tuesday is the deadline for the mueller report from the democrats' perspective. what more are we hear about this from trump's camp? are the president's team has been notably quiet on this issue except for his outside lawyers. and, of course, the department of justice. so the white house has been deferring there. as you have outlined there are some legal and policy constraints on what the likely results of the mueller report can become public. the attorney general has already met and exceeded what was required under the law for the statute that congress passed a long time ago to empower a special counsel but william barr is trying to find that balance of giving more to the public and congress but not violating the law when it comes to grand jury information or the long-standing practice of not revealing information about individuals who may have been a part of an investigation but not charged.
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a lot of that is being talked about. democrats, of course, still have power that they also want to wield and it looks like william barr will go right past the deadline of tuesday and setting more of a middle of the month mark for turning over some portion of the several hundred pages of the mueller report. now, today, rudy giuliani, one of the president's outside lawyers is making some comments about the process that's happening and it may surprise you because of his favorable comments about the deputy attorney general who has worked on this mueller investigation throughout, rod rosenstein and the work he has done. so this is a different kind of tone from rudy giuliani who throughout the investigation was often critical of the special counsel team and those at the department of justice. but here's what he's saying today about the work they're doing to prepare this report for public consumption. >> attorney general barr rosenstein who started the investigation and knows as much about it as mueller and i think
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people some people feel he was very tough on the president. he's hardly going to agree to something like that. it is a complete no obstruction at all anywhere. if you think there's anything in the report that really strongly goes in the other direction, you don't realize how good a lawyer is, bar is, rosenstein and,q th office of legal counsel in the justice department. i'm very confident we can meet anything they say in the report. as far as i'm concerned, if they can put it out legally, put out all of it. >> so praise for the legal skills of those behind the mueller report. that may be surprising to some. we'll see how much transpires but democrats are using their power. they have the power of subpoena. they have the power of the gavel in the house and they are not backing off the deadlines that they want to set. and we will spec to at some point see william barr testifying in public, as well. alex? >> we've got the power of kelly o'donnell. we'll see you again. joining me laura bassett and peter baker chief white house
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correspondent for the "new york times" and political analyst. big welcome to both of you. peter, what is behind this tuesday deadline. >> were why are democrats so adamant about getting the full report and getting it tuesday? >> well, that's a great question. i think they set that deadline in the wake of bill barr's letter last weekend because they didn't know whether they were going to get any version of the report. they wanted to make certain that it was a fast turn around. they didn't want it to drag out. the longer this is dragged out, the more president trump is able to cement in the impression that the mueller report is a total exoneration which of course even by bill barr's summary is not a complete exoneration. that's the bottom line. the bottom line is that mueller does not charge him with obstruction of justice or with criminal conspiracy. therefore that's the only part they want out there when. when the 400 pages boys public, you'll see a whole lot more information some of which may be critical of the president even if it doesn't rise to a crime.
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they want to make sure they set the impression early. >> peter, one would assume that the concern from bill barr is about classified information. couldn't the gang of eight just that group be briefed on this in a closed session and preserve the integrity of the classified information? >> that may end up where we end up finding a resolution. he outlined as you show on screen a few minutes ago four different categories that could be redacted. that's not the end of the story. that's what they'll put out in the next few days and weeks. it's possible they come to a negotiation conclusion where they do find more information provided encamera in confidence. that doesn't necessarily get released to the public. it would not surprise me that's where they end up at some point. a potential for a big fight. if they don't come to a negotiated resolution they could end up in court.
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there's a big constitutional principle at stake. we'll see how the courts treat it. >> you have chairman nadler and chairman schiff. they are not at all altering their lines of attack despite the barr letter. you've heard todayed from congressman swalwell. is this narrative though, is it is useful to democrats or are some worried that they may overplay this? >> well, i think trump and his team and mitch mcconnell and republicans in general are throwing themselves a ticker tape parade declaring complete and total victory. democrats and media look very stupid for having spent two years on focusing on this mueller investigation that turned up nothing. i think it is in the democrats' best interests to continue to demand parency. there are more than 400 pages in the report. it does not exonerate trump from obstruction of justice. trump wouldn't be trying to hide the report from the public and wouldn't have lied so many times and six of his associates wouldn't be in jail if there was
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absolutely nothing going on, nothing critical of the president. i do think it iskw2] in democr best interests to demand the entire report and show it to the public. >> yeah. so peter, i know you've got a couple pieces. i want to start with the white house reaction. publicly, you heard it from laura that there's jubilant. throwing ticker tape parades. right? but there is concern about what has not yet been revealed from the mueller report, right? >> of course there is. as a matter of politics, they're going to seize on these two sentences that bill barr put in his letter that quote from the mueller report and we don't have anything else from it. of course, they're going to seize on that and drum that home as much as they can. you saw the president in grand rapids on thursday, collusion delusion and so forth. what they're hoping is when the report comes out that the information in that 400 pages, some of which may be critical or damning in some ways is dismissed as just details.
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well, it doesn't really matter. that's old news. what the bottom line is, there's no there there. we'll move on. that's what the white house is hoping. they understand there's a real political rick here. you just showed mayor giuliani. the problem is if you go too far in saying there's nothing in the report, if the report does include some critical information, you might have set the expectations in the wrong way so that it appears to be a surprise to people. that's not a good thing for the president. >> before i get to one more outcome from your reporting, can i ask you, why is it the president as well as donald trump jr. and others in the orbit say get it all out there? let's release the full report? what's behind that? i guess i'm asking you to get inside of the president's head head. good luck with that. >> exactly. they understand it's going to come out one way or the other and want to look in favor of transparency. the house democrats will go to court on it if they have to.
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if it's going to come outs, get it behind them so they can move on abtalk about other things. i think actually we also saw this week the president wants to continue this fight because he's got a little bit of momentum right now. that conclusion that bill barr reported as given him momentum. he's trying to turn it the tables on his accusers saying they're the ones who are the crooks and we ought to be investigating them. it's a moment where he has a little bit of advantage and trying to press it. >> you write about the most enduring legacy of this report. what is that? >>t[ñí÷ look, if in fact the mu report says we cannot determine there was any obstruction of justice here even if we don't exron rate him, the result is the president can determine that he can fire an fbi director who is investigating him, fire an attorney general who refuses to protect him from that investigation, he can dangle pardons in front of witnesses and all of that is not going to be seen as crossing a line. that's a chain from our post
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watergate understanding of the limits where a president could go. now, the president's defenders will say that's appropriate. you shouldn't be able to question the president's motives in exercising his power. he should have the power to fire his fbi director and run the executive branch as he sees fit without people asking his motives. but even if that's the case, it's an expansion of presidential power since watergate. >> the laura, let's get to another topic. the president this week has relitigated a host of contentious policy battles including a court ordered demo of obamacare. why does he think this is a good idea? >> i think obamacare has been a bogeyman for republicans for a long time and people want to see it repealed. he's been emboldened by this mueller outcome and saying let's do all these things i promised during my campaign. he promise aid repeal of obamacare during his campaign. the problem is, republicans don't have plain tob5i
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it would just be kicking 20 million off of health insurance and kicking millions of people out of medicaid without any kind of safety net or anything for them to replace that health care with. so i think he's kind of putting the cart before the horse here. >> yeah, 21 million people on one level, $174 million, 133 million. we'll get into this in further deta detail later on in the show. a number of 2020 democratic presidential candidates are out on the campaign trail today. john delaney and elizabeth warren in iowa. klobuchar and cos tro out there, as well. gabbard and harris are stumping in california. beto o'rourke will be officially kicking off his campaign in texas, his home state. he has three rallies there today. first one in el paso, texas. garrett haake is there for us.
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what are you seeing? that looks crowded behind you. lots of people. >> reporter: big crowd here. this is not o'rourke's official launch for his campaign. he's already done that. this is a show of force the way we should think about this today. three big rallies across his home state of texas. he's been doing events in coffee shops in breweries and private homes. today he's got at least 1,000 people behind me. i can hear the high school marching band that will warm up the crowd. we expect to hear a lot of the same themes we have heard so far talking about uniting the country and big bold ideas that a lot of democrats running for office have said. i expect a lot of language like this. take a listen. >> i could care less your party persuasion, your religion, fact that right now we're!
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>> reporter: and alex, you will note there is no teleprompter on the stage behind re18zme. there will be no prepared remarks. o'rourke likes to do these things extremp reniusly. he's been preparing. he's going to come out here and essentially speak from the heart. it's the style he used in the texas senate race. it's the style at least thus far has gotten him into pretty good positioning in the early polling we've seen including a new quinnipiac poll that has him in roughly third place behind two would be candidates in joe biden and bernie sanders. a lot of media here, a lot of the attention on this second bite at the apple for o'rourke in jumping into this race that he's already sort of jumped into. >> you are absolutely right, as well because that brought him within three points of ted cruz in the last go around which is remarkable given that texas is the largest and reddest state in the country.
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thank you so much. lots of cheers there. we'll keep listening. michigan one of the battleground states of 2016. what about 2020? a new poll shows where the president and his would be challengers stand right now. what do you have there? p3 it's meat, cheese and nuts. i keep my protein interesting. oh yea, me too. i have cheese and uh these herbs. p3 snacks. the more interesting way to get your protein.
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work in other words michigan or do you take issue with the president's characterization of that? to sort of enter this in a different way.enter it was the bush and obama administration ta saved the industry. that's ten years ago this weekend that that bridge loan occurred. but after that happened, people didn't talk about -- didn't talk about the auto industry. president obama established, brought v together, set very significant milestone in setting standards, putting all the parties at the table and nobody wanted to talk about the auto industry for a long time. it had been traumatic, bothers everybody. president trump came into michigan and i said to people this man can win and everybody thought i was crazy. i was right because he talked about the auto issues. he talked about trade issues. and democrats didn't. they did a bad job of it. he's talking about trade issues now. if you go to the flat rock plant in my district which is what
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uuh he could win, they're still supporting president trump. but there -- this industry is more fragile than people realize. there are a lot of significant things going on. and so he's talking about the issues but i'm not sure, i think a lot of people helped save this industry a decade ago. what he does in trade isvúu:qr' to matter into next year's election. >> i'm taking it you're not all that surprised he may be ahead in your state of michigan given what he's talking about and yet behind in other states certainly with the three leading contenders among the democrats? >> i think people are schizophrenic. that's the word i've decided to use. a lot of people i know supports him two years ago don't like his tone, don't like the rhetoric, don't like the divisiveness but they're looking at the economy and there are those, not everybody agrees. come to ann arbor and people are concerned about a lot of the things he's doing.
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but there are people in michigan that think he's doing a good job in the economy which is why we've got to talk about the economy. health care was a major issue in the election last november. people are worried about pre-existing conditions. getting very mixed signals. he says he wants to make sure everybody has health care. he's not going to hurt anybody with pre-existing conditions yet, he's in court trying to turn over and take away that safety that everybody's has about not being denied insurance because of pre-existing within conditions. health care and how it plays out is going to already matter in next year' election. >> i know you the co-chair of the medicare for all caucus. listen to what the president had to say about this. >> goog to get red of obamacare. i said it the other day, the republican party will)o9e become party of great health care. the democrats are pushing socialist government-run health care that bans private health insurance. we've created new options to
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help americans purchase affordable health plans. >> your late husband john was a pioneering advocate of universal health care. what does it mean to you when you hear the president trying again to repeal the affordable care act? >> you know, i'm going to say this is something that deeply bothers me. when he says the republican party is going to be the party 1 is frightening people. he's destabilized the marks we have out there. we're not doing anything to lower the cost of prescription drugs. we're not -- i have a vision that every american will some day have quality affordable health care because i think every american's got a right to quality affordable health care. it was a major issue two years ago in the election. too many people are worried. when we talk pre-existing conditions we're talking about people with diabetes, high blood pressure. they're scared to death. i heard from them when i took don to the doctor. a cousin took me an hour to get
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to his room because people stopped to talk to me about it. the republican party is not being viewed as anybody who really cares about insuring that every american's got that if you have a pre-existing condition you're not going to take it away and he has destabilized the market and helped to contribute to increased premiums and higher deductibles. >> there's a poll that shows 43% of republican voters want to keep medicare. they may want to add a buy-in option. but trump votes with pre-existing conditions are the ones to stand to lose the most if obamacare is repeal. how do democrats seize on this opportunity to drives the narrative on health care? >> i don't think we have to do this in a political way. this is just a fact of life for a lot of people. when you give them facts that we want to make sure every american has a right to quality affordable health care and people are trying to take it
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away from them, you hear people talking about this in their everyday life. when the president calls medicare for all socialism, we're the only industrialized nation in the world that doesn't have some form of universal health care? england's not a socialist country. germany is not a socialist country. japan's not a socialist country. we are competing. it's straight economic issue that we're competing in a global marketplace and the only people where health care is so expensive to businesses to boot we've got to get this figured out and have to work together. right now all he's doing is frightening people with pre-existing conditions it's going to be taken away from them. >> i'm glad you're back and i'm glad for the conversation. thank you so much. president trump's threat to shut down the southern border. a former obama administration official with a reality check today exactly what was said next.
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new reaction to the president's threats to shut down the southern border. in a new interview on "am joy" jeh johnson said this about the president's threat and about the rising number of border
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apprehensions. >> we're on pace this month for 100,000 apprehensions, the highest we saw on my watch was may 2014, 65,000. so this is a crisis. it's very definitely a crisis. there are ways to deal with this. there are answers. there are no easy answers. you can't close a 1900 mile boarder. simply closing ports of entry would howard lawful immigration and commerce. >> ze lynn na max quell a little analyst, attorney and "new york times" contributing opinion writer roger ali and msnbc contributor charlie sykes. very good to have all three of you here. charlie, is that what president trump is talking about when he threatens to shut down the boarder? does he mean closing the legal ports of entry? jeh johnson makes a point, how do you close 1900 miles. >> well, who knows. this is another one these trump
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comments that i suppose we're supposed to take seriously but not literally. the idea of shutting down the entire board ser reckless and crude. pretty much like the wall. this is something that donald trump specializes in coming up with some broad sweeping utterly unrealistic symbolic response that doesn't actually address the problem. who knows whether he's serious or what he's talking about. it's not going to happen. >> are you surprised to hear that jeh johnson, an obama appointee calls it a crisis at the border. he compares the numbers of may 2014, 65,000 apprehensions at the border versus now 100,000 a month. democrats have not used the word crisis in reference to the border thus far. >> and it's interesting use of terms because historically over the past 40 years very have a hick low of border crossings, and violence at the border. his use of crisis could refer to the fact ta donald trump's policies of taking away funding and aid from central american
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countries and the fact that he's threatening to close the border which again makes no sense because if you close the border, you're disrupting the u.s. economy and mexico's economy. there's about $1.5 billion of goods traded daily, alex. it's again donald trump being reckless and we have to also remember remember that allegedly there's a national emergency which means he=r has to bypass congress to get funding for i an wall and he shut down the government for 35 days to get funding for the wall and now he's going to shut down the boarder. there was also a caravan coming seats.cans lose 40h made this is not an effective and productive way of dealing with immigration reform or the border crisis if you want to call it. i wouldn't call it that. it's trump being reckless and cruel. >> in fact, zir lynnna, "the washington post" found that border and prehexes are at a 13-year high but they are down
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from where they were in the early towelses. so is president trump overhyping this so-called crisis? are democrats potentially underplaying it? i mine when you look at this and the analysis and the way the verbiage is getting it out there, is it all political? >> yes, but this is politics. everything that has to do with politics tends to be in this sphere where we're talking about it in these terps. i actually listened to jeh johnson and heard it a different way. i don't think he means crisis the same way that president trump and his supporters mean crisis. i think he's talking about the humanitarian aspect of these border crossings and the fact that our foreign policy has created a crisis in these countries that is forcing people to flee their homes and run for their lives. so i think that you know, as democrats we need to focus on the humanitarian effects on these people and their children, right? we've had children die in our custody and president trump blamed on her father for not
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giving the child water which is not correct. because she died of a bacterial infection. as citizens we need to put pressure on our elected officials to solve this humanitarian crisis in a serious way because these are people's lives. these are children's liveses. regardless how you feel about immigration policy in the broad sense, i think as human beings we have to look at these people as people and treat them accordingly. >> to what's been said, charlie, that the united states has really been the proponent of this crisis, if you will because of lack of funding, pulling back support for central american countries and mexico, do you agree with that? >> no, i really don't. in the sense ha we caused it. have we made it worse, exacerbated it, are the administration's policies of ing back funding is, it constructive? no. but the reality is is that there are very serious problems down in those countries. you know, having to do with
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domestic politics. i don't think it's fair to blame we caused it. but we're certainly not taking a constructive approach to fixing it. i think what you're seeing here is the failure overall of the trump administration policy of dealing with this crisis. now, politically it's working for him because it creates an issue. it koreas something a boogeymen, creates something to fear. obviously, what he's doing is not actually stopping what's happening at the border. i do agree with zerlina this is definitely a humanitarian crisis and the wall would do nothing to stop it. >> dhs secretary kirstjen nielsen asked congress to speed up more quickly help those undocumented immigrants those with children to their cases turned back around and back to where they came from. what kind of different solutions do democrats have for the nielsen mentioned there had? >> we have a legal process by
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which if you are a refugee or a migrant seeking asylum, you surrender yourself at the lee port of entry and go through a process, alex. there's a two-year vetting process, believe it or not, where you have to go through several agencies to beç or rson who gets asylumdeclared withholding of removal. we have a process which might not be perfect but still works. when you have donald trump and his administration come in with a zero tolerance policy which detains an separates kids at the border which is cruel and inhumane and creates a humanitarian crisis that is counterproductive, immoral. it makes the situation worse. if you're going to hut shut down the border it's going to be disastrous for our country. in the long-term, you're shooting yourself in the foot because these migrants are coming from these countries because they're violent and unstable. if you want to help solve the border crisis, actually help these countries in central
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america with their economy, create a type of partnership where you don't punish them and don't punish refugees coming here and actually going through the legal process of urnding themselves at the border. this is going to be disastrous and shoot ourselves in the foot economically. it's a humanitarian crisis. i want to say this again it, underscores the cruelty of the trump administration for punishing the most vulnerable people. he mocked the father of the 7-year-old guatemalan girl jacqueline and he lied and mocked also these immigrants at his rally where he was supposed to do the victory lap. what type of president does a victory lap at a rally by mocking refugees and those individuals seeking asylum and lying about the cause of death of a 7-year-old from guatemala? think about that. >> i have no answer. all you stick around. zerlina up next, what aoc called unacceptable last night at ms c
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our climate. first and foremost, we need to save ourselves, period. so to get us out of this situation, to revamp our economy, to create dignified jobs for working americans to guarantee health care and elevate our educational opportunities andtainments we will have to mobilize our entire
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economy around saving ourselves and taking care of this planet. >> representative al andry yea ocasio-cortez. let's bring back in zerlina, wajahat and charlie. there's not just a partisan divide. there's also a split among democrats on her approach to this issue. isn't that somewhat self-defeating given that her green new deal was never meant to be a policy but a framework for solution? can you chalk this up to a messaging failure perhaps? >> i think it has to do with the fact she's a freshman congresswoman and doesn't operate on the same rules that the people who have been in congress for decades operate under. she's not taking pac money. so the idea there are those on the democratic side who oppose the deal but are funded by corporations and oil-#)é compan we have to always remember that when people push back against
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this policy shift. climate change is real and an urgent priority. it should be something democrats are running on because we only have 12 years till the impact is irreversible. this is not something where she's going out on a limb because she feels like it. this is a real crisis. talk about the border crisis? this is a real crisis. we're seeing stronger and more powerful storms and people actually are dieing from the impact of climate change and extreme weather. so i think what she's doing is trying to use her platform. the spotlight is on her. what are you going to say when the spotlight is on you? she has chosen to take climate change as the number one issue because it is that surth. >> wa czjahat, let's watch. i want to get your reaction. >> the entire green new deal is literally impossible with the
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number of committee references that you would have in the course of that. so is it possible we say listen, climate change is the thing that we're seeing the whites of its eyes. we've got to act now? can we come back maybe to universal a little bit late silver. >> hey, hey. hey. that's unacceptable. that's the difference between me and trump. >> quick reaction from you, wa ja hat. >> she also acknowledges climate change and doesn't demonize immigrants and muslims and doesn't praise white nationalist as very fine people and cares about basic health and education and income of average americans who don't get silver spoons. so i think you know, the one positive here in the long-term positive, even though the green deal was shut down in the senate, she has introduced in mainstream ideas which a lot of
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americans are talking about. huh. 70% tax on the 1%. why not. >> i'll tell you environmental policy is something taking front and center all over the place. charlie, your thoughts on how she reaced? >> steny hoyer said an there was 52 democrats, not just three. having aorc be the face of the party is somewhat 1$bprabmatic. climate change is real and a crisis we have to deal with. should we be coming up with ideas that are actually sellable, that can be implemented or is she presenting it in such a way as to make it you know, so partisan and so toxic that we don't get anything done at all? i'll tell you republicans think they're going to run on the green new deal. that's how they will win in pennsylvania, michigan, ohio and wisconsin. >> to be a on that. thank you so much. although oprah winfrey is
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biden leading with 29%. bernie sanders, beto o'rourke and kamala harris rounding out the field. joining me now is one trying to break tlurks mary an williamson, a self-help author. glad to welcome you. before we get to your candidacy, i want to ask about one of the stories bill barr saying he expects to give a redacted version of the mueller report. democrats are standing by a demand for the full report by this coming tuesday. what is your reaction to barr's handling of it? >> i don't need him to redact it for me. full transparency is the only thing that will make people feel these questions have been put to bed. questions will continue to linger until this is put to rest. our money paid for the report. i don't want to see his redacted version more than i wanted to see his summary.
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>> let's talk about your campaign. why do you want to be president? >> i spent 35 years working very closely to people seeking to navigate the consequences of the damage done by a political establishment. i have strong ideals of what needs to change, not just incrementally. we have 40 million americans who go to schools every day that don't have adequate school supplies to teach a child to read. if a child cannot read by the age of eight, they have a drastic chance of graduating for high school and increased risk of incarceration. ptsd is no less severe than that of a returning veteran. that's how the system operates. they are not old enough to vote, so they are not a constituency, they don't have financial
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leverage. in a system of ours, little more than a legalized bribery in our government, how can they compete with the clout of the forces that are served first. >> yeah. >> this advocacy, these are the kind of things, whether it's people having to work two or three jobs every day just to put food on the table, whether it's those children, whether it's people who don't have health care, people who are so worried about their kids if their kids get sick, how they are going to pay for college and college loans, why did i fight in this war if i'm not sure why we fought it. these are the things i see every day in my career the last 35 years. incremental change is a better version of same ole same ole is not going to change things. i think the american people are ready to rise up and cause the fundmental disruption in this country. >> you are focusing on every day, average, any man in america, woman in america concern.
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certainly, that said, there are a lot of people who associate you, celebrities with hollywood star culture. in fact, some of them supported our run for congress in 2014. does that image, at all, do you think help you or hurt you in your appeal to an every day american? >> i think it makes some people project things on to me. in the beginning -- we need to set those things right. yeah, i think there's a lot of projection on to me that is used to marginalize me. she is lightweight when the truth of the matter is, the people we should look at for the lack of gravitas and what is happening in this country and this world. >> when i mentioned you as a spiritual adviser, you are going to negate this. 2 "washington post" said you have been advising oprah since
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the mid-'90s. >> if i may say so, this is not to be criticism of you. >> no, you clarified. >> yes, thank you. she has been wonderful to me as she has been to many authors on her program. that doesn't mean everybody who writes a book she likes should be her adviser. these kind of things make a difference. they contribute to falsehoods. >> do you expect you would get hur support? is that something you would hope for? she interviewed beto o'rourke in a widely publicized interview. >> obviously, any politician would be hoping, who wouldn't want that support. she is a very serious woman. she is going to do what everybody is doing, listening deeply to what candidates are actually saying. i'm sure she will do what she always does, follow her own heart and support, ultimately,
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if she supports anyone publicly, the candidate she feels has the vision and ability to take this country where we need to go. that's the level all of us should be working from, not this level of ultimate silliness that dominates this conversation too often. >> you ran as an independent before in a bid or congress. you have gravitated to the democratic party. tell me why? >> i have always been a democrat, i have been aware of the history of the united states, ap ligs came from the abolitionist party. women suffrage came from the women's party. there's a kind of unholy alliance between two major parties which are not mentioned in our constitution. however, at this point, at this point, i see political party issues as two broken legs and two breaken arms. this president's agenda is like a bullet in the heart.
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i would not do anything to risk anything to take away a democratic vote in 2020. >> i would love to have you back. come back and talk about your campaign as it progresses. thank you for your time. >> thank you so much. beto o'rourke is about to hold a kick-off rally. we are going to bring the speech as it happens here on weekends with alex witt. t happens here os with alex witt ♪ fight both fast tums chewy bites with gas relief all in one relief of heartburn and gas ♪ ♪ tum tum tum tums tums chewy bites with gas relief
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good day everyone from msnbc world headquarters in new york,
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welcome to weekends with alex witt. we are giving a live look at el paso, texas. this is the first of beto o'rourke's rallies today. he has been campaigning since earlier this month. today's events are billed as the official kick off for the 2020 bid. let's go to garrett in the middle of all of it. kind of sounds like my friend who likes to celebrate my birthday all month long. there's a lot going on for him. >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, alex. this is a show of force day for beto o'rourke. it happens to come at the end of the fund raising quarter, which is no small coincidence, i'm sure. the campaign has a chance to show their strength across the state of texas. it's an important early primary state for democrats. we are seeing something we don't see often, amy o'rourke, the
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candidates wife on stage introducing her husband. o'rourke is at her side. she doesn't usually give big speeches like this. it speaks to the way the campaign is trying to kick this off. what happens the last two weeks were largely smaller scale events. the candidate hopping up on counters in coffee shops, meeting people in homes. this is what the o'rourke campaign wants the country to see their guy can do. they bring big crowds, get people fired up. this is what he did in the texas senate race and hope he can ignite. it will be interesting to see the size and scope of the rally in the biggest city of texas and in austin, the most liberal city in texas this afternoon. they are trying to draw a lot of attention and hope a lot of donations. they are streaming this live, a thousand house parties trying to activate the biggest grass roots
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campaign in history. i imagine bernie sanders would have something to say about that. that's the contours of the campaign we are seeing shape up here. still in march, of 2019. >> i tell you, garrett, you describe her as someone who doesn't speak a lot. i have been watching her and her body language. she is doing a great job. she is like a natural, seems to me. i know you are going to continue listening. we will, too. as soon as beto o'rourke takes to the podium, we will be there. john nichols national correspondent for the nation and president and ceo of vote latino and msnbc contributor. welcome all. maria, i'm going to talk to you about where we are today. beto is at the center of immigration debate. how is it to be on the heels of the president's threats to shut down the border? >> i would say the largest
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processing point is actually mcallen,texas. the fact that president trump tried to make el paso the backdrop tells us, and the american public, the president they are scared of might be beto. beto is considered ground zero for 2020, the state he's a part of. that is because you see a huge population boom, not just in young latinos, but young professionals from the midwest, basically coming for jobs set up for factories like toyota and apple. texas is the forefront in the premier of where the rest of the country is. all eyes are on texas. >> yeah, former dhs secretary, jay johnson reacted to the president on joy's show. part of what he said is you just can't close a border, 1900 miles. in doing so, if you go outside the legal points of entry, that creates even more pandemonium. does anyone from the trump
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administration share this concern? at least on the issue of trade? >> absolutely. trade is a huge consideration here. one thing that's been interesting, this is an issue if you look at the politics, it's been animating the president's base. he's been able to secure funding from lawmakers to build the wall he said he wants to build at the border and is now discussing and closing the border all together. it will be interesting to see if republicans step out and say this isn't something you can do or something we are willing to back if you continue to pursue it as you have candidates like o'rourke and castro bringing attention to the issue in texas as we are seeing today. >> sure. jay johnson added there is a crisis. that's the word he used at the border in reference to the 100,000 or so people. it's the worst period he oversaw, 2014, may, there were 65,000. does this surprise you he uses
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the word crisis, coming from an obama appointee or from a humanitarian perspective? >> i won't try to read his mind. i will suggest people who know the border know that there is a humanitarian crisis on the border and that we ought to be talking about it as such. not merely trying to demonize people who have fallen into a difficult circumstance. >> listen, i'm glad i got an answer in from each of you. we are going pivot and take everybody live to el paso, texas. that is where you see beto o'rourke and his wife, amy and they have three kids up on stage with them as well. mom gives them hugs. she got a big hug for a job well done. we are going to listen to the rock 'n roll music and beto o'rourke as he takes the peeved yum. ♪
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♪ >> thank you. thank you all for being here. [ cheers and applause ] >> let's hear it for veronica escobar, mariel and amy o'rourke. you killed it! love you. so grateful to everyone who is here today. so grateful to this community of el paso. i'm very grateful to each one of you who made the trip to come here and join us in our hometown in this community.
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it was really important for amy and me to launch this campaign from el paso. this is a city where i was born. it's the city where melissa and pat o'rourke raised me. my sisters, erin and charlotte. it's the same city amy and i are raiseing our three kids. perhaps, most importantly, el paso, to me, represents america at its very best. for more than 100 years, this community has welcomed generations of immigrants from across the rio grande, some having traveled hundreds of miles, some having traveled
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thousands of miles, trying to escape brutality, violence and crushing poverty to find a better life in this country for themselves and for their kids, that's for sure. but, also because they were called to contribute to our shared success and to this country's greatness and they have. el paso has been home to leaders in the struggles of civil rights and workers rights. the mexican-americans who led the movement. the women in this town who organized the fara strike. and black el pasoans like thelma white who not only secured voting rights in this state, but they assured el paso would be among the first cities of the
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former confederacy to deseg grate public places and integrate public education. we form the largest binational community in this hemisphere. and for 20 years running, we have been one of the safest cities in the united states of america. we are safe, not despite the fact that we are a city of immigrants and asylum seekers. we are safe because we are a city of immigrants and asylum seekers. we have learned -- we have learned not to fear our differences, but to respect and embrace them. we see the language is spoken in this community. the traditions, the cultures as a strength for el paso. we understand, we understand
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that we are, in the words of dr. king, caught in an inescapable network of mutuality tied in a single garment of destiny. this community has offered me my inspiration in life and every single opportunity that i have had to the world class public schoolteachers at macida elementary, who believed in me and sought to bring out the very best in me. to the small business community who allowed me to work for them as we were starting our own small business here in this community and those who joined that business creating high skilled, high wage, high value jobs in a community that had so much talent and was looking for a way to express itself. to those community leaders, network for human rights,
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enunciation house, the women's march, you have shown me what leadership is. you elected me in 2005 to serve this community on the city council, not as a democrat, not as a republican, but as an el pasoan. working with fellow el pasoan's to turn around the mass transit system. to invest in neighborhoods and people to protect our public spaces and to never shy away from the fights in front of us, like extending health care benefits to the same-sex partners of city employees regardless of the consequences, regardless of the recall elections that would follow. in 2012, we won a race against the odds and against the establishment to represent el
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paso in the united states congress. we ran by talking and listening to you about tough issues like the veteran suicides that followed the fact we had the longest wait times for mental health care access in the v.a. in the country. we talked about a war on drugs that became a war on people. thanks to you, once in office, we were able to deliver. we helped to turn around the v.a. in el paso, expand mental health care for veterans nationally. expand our protects public spaces, improve our security and our connections with mexico by investing in our ports of entry and having the backs of every single service member and their families stationed at ft. bliss or deployed around the world. you found or you helped me to
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find those republican colleagues with whom i can walk across the aisle or drive across the country to get the job done for el paso and for the united states and we did. and el paso, it was your story that i told all over texas in every single one of these 254 counties, all people no pacs all the time. everyone counts, everyone matters. so, we showed up everywhere to listen to everyone. didn't matter how red or how rural, how blue or how urban. we showed up, both with the courage of our convictions and willingness to listen and learn from those we sought to serve in the senate. and no, we did not win that
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race, although we came awfully close -- we all -- we all got to be part of something absolutely transformational in our lives and in the democracy of this state. we were able to win votes from republicans and independents, expand the number of democrats who voted in an election and this state, this state, which before 2018 had rated 50th in voter turnout. this state saw voter turnout approach presidential election year levels. this state saw young voter turnout up 500% over the last midterm election. this state and its 38 electoral votes count like they have never counted before.
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all of us have a seat at the table. all of us matter. the united states house of representatives, two new members of congress from texas, both democrats, elected into what we were thought and told to believe were safe, republican seats. the composition of this state legislature has changed and in houston, texas, 17 african-american women winning judicial positions. literally changing the face of criminal justice in this country's most diverse city. you did that. you did that. your votes, your willingness to volunteer, the pop-up offices that you hosted in your home, that's how we made this happen. that's why i am so glad to be here with you today, in my
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hometown, in my home state to announce i'm running to serve you as the next president of the united states of america. thank you. this is a campaign for america, for everyone in america. like so many of you here, like so many more across the country, at this defining moment, amy and i want to know that we have done everything within our power for this country. though, we know it comes at some sacrifice to our family, especially to our kids, we also know that our children and that
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your children and the generations that follow them are depending on us, now at this moment. this is our moment of truth. this is our moment of truth and we cannot be found wanting. the challenges before us are the greatest of our lifetimes. an economy that works too well for too few and not at all for too many more. a health care system where millions are unable to see a doctor or be well enough to live to their full potential and the last, best hope of overting the catastrophe that will follow climate change, fading before our very inaction. we must overcome these challenges but we must first ask ourselves how this, the
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wealthiest, the most powerful country on the face of the planet, the most powerful country that world history has ever known has found itself in such a perless position. for too long in this country, the powerful have maintained their privilege at the expense of the powerless. they have used -- they have used fear and division in the same way that our current president uses fear and division. based on the differences between us of race, ethnicity, geography or religion to keep us apart to make us angry, to make us afraid of ourselves and of one another. unrestrained money and influence has worked the priorities of
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this country. it has corrupted our democracy. it has invited the cynicism, distrust and engagement of millions of our fellow americans who see their very own government enthralled to those who pay for access and outcomes. a vigorous democracy, both political and economic is the only check against this inertia of power, the only way to free institutions of capture and corruption and the only means by which we can lift the voices and the lives of our fellow americans. but, when the safeguards of this democracy are manipulated by those in power, when members of congress can choose their own voters, when the supreme court decides that corporations are people and money is speech, when
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pacs and special interests can buy the outcomes of elections and legislation and when voting rights are not expanded, they are functionally withdrawn, then we run the risk of becoming a democracy in name only. the idea that we are founded on the principle that we are all created equal to equal opportunity is justifiably seen as a lie to those who experienced gross differences, opportunity and outcome when it comes to education or health care or economic advancement or justice. so, whatever our differences, where you live, who you love, to whom you pray, for whom you voted in the last election, let those differences not define us or divide us at this moment. let's agree, going forward,
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before we are anything else, we are americans first. we are americans first and we will put the business of this country before us. so, if you believe in guaranteed high quality universal health care because you have seen the cost and the consequence of millions of our fellow americans who have no health care or do not have enough health care, then let us come together around a policy that begins by prioritizing affordability in prescription medications, ensures we bring down the costs of premiums and deductibles and in a country -- and in a country where too many of our fellow
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americans are dying of diabetes in the year 2019, dying of the flu, dying of curable cancers. in a community, in a state, in a country where one of the largest providers of mental health care services is the county jail system. and in a nation in the midst of a maternal mortality crisis three times as deadly for women of color, let us ensure that universal health care means all of us can see a primary care provider. all of us can get mental health care help. and, universal care means every woman makes her own decisions about her own body. we can give every american,
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every business in this country the choice to enroll in medicare without eliminating plans that many americans like for their families because those plans work for their families. everyone able to see a doctor, everyone able to afford their prescription. everyone able to take their child to a therapist. no one left behind. no one priced out. we must get to universal, guaranteed, high quality health care as soon as we possibly can. if we believe in an economy that works for all, i want to make sure that everyone has a chance to advance, then let's begin with the very youngest among us and invest in a world class public school system, pre-k to 12, everywhere, in every community. then, let's do this.
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let's pay our teachers what they are worth, a living wage. there is no reason any educator, any teacher should be working two or three jobs when they have the most important job in front of them, unlocking that lifelong love of learning within every single child. once we do that, there's no stopping those kids. there is no stopping this country. when they graduate from high school, let's make sure they are both college ready and career ready. ready to go on to debt-free higher education. and ready to go to a job that provides purpose and pays a real paycheck. speaking of that, let's also insist that we will not continue to diminish the power of unions. we will strengthen unions in this country.
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unions who insist that one job should be enough for every single american. unions who help us provide apprenticeships, not just for that young woman or young man graduating from high school, but that parent who is finished raising kids, that worker whose job is automated out of existence. we have the skills and the trades that command a living salary for the rest of your lives. let's strengthen those unions going forward. in rural america, if we want to lift up rural america, listen to rural america. let's partner with them, investing in hospitals, schools, infrastructure like broad band and ensure that every farmer, every rancher, every grower, every producer can make a profit. as they grow, what feeds and
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clothes not just america but so much of the rest of the world. and those farmers, like anyone else wants to make sure we are meeting the challenge of climate change before it is too late. let's open up technologies and markets to them that provide an incentive for capturing the carbon we are emitting into the air. i want to make sure that your gender, race, your family does not prevent you from advancing in this economy. let's do a few things. let's pay women equal to what men make in this country. let's sign into law paid family leave for every single family in this country. let's ban workplace discrimination. and let's do this, let's make
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sure there is access to capital for communities who have effectively been shut out. home loans and the ability to build wealth in this country for generations. if we believe in justice for all, in the face of the largest prison population per capita on this planet, one disproportionately comprise of people of color, we must do the following. not only end the federal prohibition on marijuana, not only expunge the arrest records of everyone arrested for possession of something that is legal in more than half the country. we must not only end cash bail and for profit prisons in the united states of america.
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we must confront the legacy of certain communities who have been criminalized and cut down based on the color of their skin. confronting -- confronting the legacy and the consequences of slavery and segregation and the continuing suppression of our fellow americans is the only way we will begin to repair the damage and keep ourselves from committing the same injustices. if we truly believe that we are a country of immigrants and asylum seekers and refugees and they are the very premise of our strength, success and yes, our security, let us free every single dreamer from any fear of deportation. let's bring millions more out of
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the shadows and on to a path to contribute to maximum potential to the success of this country. let's not only -- let's not only follow this country's asylum laws, make sure we never take another child from their mother at a desperate and vulnerable moment. let us -- let us reunite every single one of those family that is are still separated today. let's remember, every single one of us, including those who are just three or four blocks from here, detained under the international bridge that connects us with mexico, behind chain linked fence and barbed wire, they are fellow human beings and deserve to be treated like our fellow human beings.
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>> beto! beto! beto! >> we will find security, not through walls, not through militarization, we will find security by focusing on ports of entry that connecti us through the rest of the world. we facilitate trade and travel connected to millions of jobs around the country. we will support officers and border patrol agents. we will treat every single american with the dignity and respect they know. if, if we are really serious about security, we have a gonld opportunity. republicans, independents, alike, work on comprehensive immigration reform, to rewrite this country's immigration laws, in our own image, with our own
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values and in the best traditions of the united states of america. for all -- for all of the veterans here in el paso, a community that is distinguished itself and service to country, going back to marcilino, an undocumented immigrant went over to grans with the army and came back the most highly decorated person from texas. to the brothers in vietnam, to every man and every woman who, right now, has their life on the line for this country. if we truly appreciate your service, not only will we make sure we nak investments into the uk when you were born,
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especially for those conditions, connected to service and combat. traumatic brain injury. military sexual trauma. we will ensure there is a roof over the head of every single veteran sleeping on the streets tonight. then, if we really mean it, if we really mean it, we will ensure that this country does not start yet another war before every peaceful, diplomatic, nonviolent alternative is explored and pursued. those wars we ask our fellow americans, these service members to fight on our behalf, 17 years and counting in afghanistan. 27 years and counting in iraq. let's bring these wars to a close and bring these service members home to their families, to their communities and to their country.
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if, after 300 years, after the enlightenment we can still listen to and believe the scientists, and i for one do, who tell us that thanks to our own emissions, our own excesses and our own inaction, this planet has warmed one degree celsius since 1980. the fires rgs draughts, manmade disasters will only get worse if this planet warms another degree celsius. this is our moment with ten years to spare to do everything in our power to free this economy from a dependence on fossil fuels, greenhouse gas emissions and to ensure, as we make the investment in new technologies and renewable energy that everyone has the
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chance to benefit from this new economy, especially those communities, lower income and too often of color that bore the brunt of climate change so far. this country has shown we can do it. when the western world faced the threat of nazi germany 80 years ago, this country harnessed the political will of hundreds of millions here of the western democracies not only to win the war for the following 80 years to make this world safer for democracy and lift millions in this country into the middle class. this is our opportunity right now, to do something for a far greater threat. to do more, not just for those here with us today, but for the people of the future, our kids, grand kids and every generation that succeeds them. we have to, once again, reassert our role on the world stage in
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order to do this. but, if we are going to do that, we have to strengthen these historic friendships and alliances, so many of them forged in sacrifice. the service of men and woman who put their lives on the line and lost their lives to this country. make sure this sacrifice was not squandered. make sure we strengthen those alliances. let's end these love affairs with dictators and strong men all over the world. let's earn, let's earn the respect of the people around the world, not just by how we treat those in other countries, but how we treat those within our country. and how we treat those at the border of our country. if we do that, we can make sure that we, once again, become the
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indispensable nation, convening around some of the shared challenges, like climate change, like nuclear disarmorment, ending the wars we are currently engaged in. we can do for ourselves what no other country can. we have the opportunity, at this moment, to reprioritize this hemisphere. those countries and people who are literally connected to us by land. we can try to solve the problems of central america here at our front door at the texas-mexico border or invest in the opportunities to help the people of central america where they are at home. it is our choice. but, to do any of this, we have to understand that our country's success depends on the success of this democracy. it is a single greatest mechanism that human kind ever
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devised to call forth the power, the potential and genius of a people around their challenges and their opportunities. so, every single citizen must be able to vote and every vote must count. as president, i will sign into law a new voting rights act. together, we will end gerrymandering, we will get big money out of our politics. and all across this country, we will have automatic and same day voter registration. that's how we are going to do it. but, a full, political democracy is only possible if we vigiously pursue a true, economic democracy. every child, every man, every woman in this country must be able to see a future for hemss in this country.
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otherwise, this country will have no future as a democracy. that means, this extraordinary, unprecedented concentration of wealth and power and privilege must be broken apart. opportunity must be shared with all. [ speaking foreign language ] [ speaking foreign language ]
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[ speaking foreign language ] >> we will not allow ourselves to be defined by our fears or differences. instead, we shall be known forever after by our ambitions, our aspirations, the resolve, the creativity, service and sacrifice we brought to bear in order to achieve them. our ability to campaign in this
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way with people, not corporations or pacs, but people who come together to ensure we win the nomination, not only to ensure we defeat donald trump in november of 2020, but people in every state, in every territory from every walk of life, coming together to show that the power of people is what is necessary for us to accomplish our priorities. i am so grateful to be able to run to serve you as the next president of the united states of america. i am so grateful for every one of you who has joined or will join this campaign and sacrifice some part of your life toward the success of this great country. together, together we can make
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sure that america fulfills its promise for ourselves, for each other and for every generation that succeeds us. thank you, el paso. thank you, everyone. god bless you and god bless america. thank you. >> a rousing 30 minute rally there by beto o'rourke as he is getting hugs from his three kids and wife, amy there. clapping. a group hug for dad as you do that off teleprompter. he went through a wide range of topics there. quite remarkable with the energy, considering he's got two more rallies like this today, one in houston in the early evening hours, then he will wrap up things in austin, texas about 9:00 p.m. local time. rejoining our conversation in a moment will be our journalist. let's go right now to garrett,
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out there on the stump with beto. i think it was extremely well e received. that guy has energy. wow, if you could bottle that and sell it. >> reporter: he is a highly energetic campaigner. we have seen it over the last couple weeks, sometimes doing seven or eight stops in a day. he gets a lot of energy back from the crowd. sort of the more he goes, the more energy he gets. you might hear they are playing, the clash here, punk rock playing for this candidate. this candidate knows one of the advantages they have here is his relative view and vitality compared to the rest of this democratic field. they will exploit that. you will see o'rourke doing multiple events every day, including the days his democratic rivals in the united states senate are back doing
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their day jobs in the u.s. senate. i think for folks who are seeing o'rourke for the first time today, you heard a lot of his bread and butter issue s, none f them more obvious than the border. this is a man and candidate defined by this city, by el paso and by, a humanist approach to the border crisis. you heard it in this quote here, from his quote about the migrants being detained on international bridge a few blocks from us. take a listen. ♪ >> garrett, garrett, i'm not sure we have that soundbyte cut yet. >> reporter: that's right. >> you bring up a really good point. i don't know if you can hear me, he talks about that bridge, it's about a ten-minute walk up the
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el paso street there. you are absolutely right, it is a place where many of people that are seeking asylum and beyond here in this country have been detained for quite some time. that was not lost on him. >> reporter: no, no. look, he talked about the importance of treating our fellow human beings like human beings. o'rourke is very careful not to contrast himself with other democrats in a way that might be negative. he's running a positive campaign. when asked what separates him from fellow democrats, he points to his time in this city. it's true. he was a city councilman. a u.s. house member for two terms here on the border. o'rourke got a political gift from donald trump when the president came here in january and held a rally in el paso, trying to build the border wall. o'rourke led a counter rally, a protest march and a large rally here pushing back on that. he tried to make himself the
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face of the anti-wall, anti-trump immigration policy. you saw that very strongly here in the speech. the need to treat them as fellow human beings, how being a cross border city over the generations, how it's definded him and how it will define going forward, talking protections for dreamers, a more ro bust immigration reform as something he would pursue as president of the united states. well received here at the border where it is hou this issue is perceived. the way the border companies look at the border crisis or issues on the border is so different from the rest of the country. you saw o'rourke do that today as he has and will do in this campaign. >> thank you for the summary and managing to let us hear you over the loud noise of the clash
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there. thank you so much. i imagine you are traveling with beto o'rourke, so you have a long day ahead of you. john than nichols is here. thank you for sticking around. noel and peter here with us. peter, i want to ask you, as the new democrat here to the group, did we just hear the democrats answer to donald trump for 2020? >> indeed, we did. i'm sitting here, remembering very powerfully in 2007, a gangly, tall lawyer, who announced for president, who 150 years before that, another tall, gangly attorney, mr. lincoln, talked about unification and hope. today, a tall, gangly lawyer, former punk rocker, hacker, announced for president, echoing the same things of hope,
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unification, bipartisanship and calling on the country, all of us, to come together for each other. if i may, quickly quote the time is now to slough off our fear and make good on the debt we owe past and future generations. i'm ready to take out the cause and march with you and work with you. >> you know, it was a chatter of things that worked for barack obama. we were having the discussion this week, hasn't beto o'rourke got a lot of people on board that were former obamaites, right? >> it works for mr. obama in this divisive, fear based political culture we are living in, ifts in washington for a week, as you know, that is going to have a very, very powerful effect. americans want to believe there's hope, there's a chance
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for everyone to do better and most of all, on health care, on health care, which is the primary concern of all americans, because it affects more talent, that's where i think democrats and mr. beto have biggest chance. >> yeah. i want to just quickly with you, john, on the fact we talk about the music and that beto came on board with the clash. you said there is some significance to the song that he was playing as he was coming to the podium or to the stage, really? >> there sure is. those of us who covered his campaign back in 2018 know it was very much a rock 'n roll campaign and he often slipped rock 'n roll references into spaces where they don't usually exist. one of the most remarkable things he did was in his last debate, i believe, with ted cruz and he referenced the clash song clamp down. that's a song that he played at the opening and close of the rally. that is a very political song.
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that was a take down by joe strummer and the clash of margaret thatcher and the torries back in britain as well as corporate power and frankly, the choice of this song, i think, had to come straight out of beto o'rourke's head and straight out of his background as a punk rocker. >> noel, to you now, what did you hear from beto o'rourke that you think could make republicans nervous, whether or not it's policy and this might not be the platform on which to do it, is it a tenor, is it his youth vitality? tell me what it is that republicans should fear from beto o'rourke, if anything? >> it certainly anything he said. they're touching on immigration and health care, they're touching on all the points, which is great. i think it's more of a visual. i think it is the energy. i think that it's the enthusiasm, but if you'll
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remember, every time someone announces all eyes are on them. everyone's talking about them. everyone's energized. one of the things i like to look forward, i look at their crowds. he had a healthy crowd and energized crowd, but i didn't see a lot of diversity in that crowd. i didn't see a lot of seniors. i didn't really see a lot of african-american -- i saw maybe one maybe african-american -- >> i'm going to be honest here, we're looking at the crowd right now. it was -- the vantage point was hard to see that crowd. i think we could ask that question of garret hague to see. he did speak in spanish. he was clearly appealing to latinos in the crowd, so you got to give him that. >> i do. i'm the gop strategist on this panel so, of course, i'm going to be looking at this through a different lens, so to speak, but, you know, if president trump was going to be concerned, i think that he needs to be concerned about beto's energy and about the fact that he has a
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lot of appeal to appear fresh, even if it's the same ideas everyone else is using, he seems to be able to roll it out with a fresh point of view. >> ashley, to you, you're also republican but you clearly are a board member of republican women for progress. your thoughts about what he was saying about a woman's right to choose, about no gender discrimination when it comes to pay for women doing the same job as a man. you've got to weigh in on that. i should think those are things that you would support, at least one of them? >> yeah, when it comes to the board that i'm apart of for republican women for progress, we will support any candidates who are against donald trump, so by progress we mean those that will stand up to the fact that republicans have tended to be very degrading toward women since trump has hijacked the party. we are looking for candidates who are willing to go after things like equal pay and to
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make sure that women got a fair shot and who are willing to stand up for women and their choices, whatever those choices may be. a candidate like beto, i do think can attract a lot of women, maybe even those that are more moderate like myself who used to vote republican but trump has turned me away from the republican party. so i do think that republicans here should be very afraid of a candidate like beto, and one thing i do want to note, most of the other democratic candidates have not touched on yet, is the need for bipartisanship. they do often say we can't live in fear, but they never really get to the heart of the issues when it comes to working across the aisle, which i heard beto say multiple times throughout that speech. so to someone like me who is a disaffected republican voter, i would be looking for more messaging toward that level which is more bipartisan, more moderate, but i will say, though, he has been often touted as the one who can be more moderate and today i it hear a very progressive agenda. i don't know if he's being told by people on his campaign that
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he needs to play to the more progressive base of the party because that's where his support lies or if he's going to find himself as a candidate more in the middle who can appeal to more moderate voters like myself. >> peter, can you take that and what you think he may be advised to be doing and where you think his natural tendencies lie and how he may have to put these two things together? >> one of the powers of beto from my interactions with him and from what i've seen is that he goes with his instinct, with his heart, with his principle. i don't think there's enormous influence of his advisers, frankly, he hasn't had any advisers until more recently with the hiring of obama's deputy campaign manager. i think what you saw today and you felt, most importantly, and that's what democrats forget, this is about emotions. this isn't about policy, and people felt today an authentic, sincere, energetic, committed person to try to bring america back together and as was pointed
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out, to try to bring bipartisanship back into a fractured nation. >> all right. i want to thank all of you guys for staying with us. we certainly were happy to get your incites, all of you. thank you for joining us. thanks, guys. coming up, he was a boasting businessman before becoming president but how donald trump inflated his net worth may have reached criminal lengths. . so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette.
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we're approaching the top of the hour, which means i'm out of time. i'm alex witt. up next kendis gibson will take it away. >> good to see you, have a great rest of your day. i'm kendis gibson live at msnbc headquarters in new york where it is 2:00 p.m. and 12 noon in west texas where there's a show of force near the border, but this is all about beto o'rourke, the presidential candidate laid out his plans for 2020, but does he have enough experience to run the white house? plus public domain. attorney general william barr says to give him until the middle of april, if not sooner, to release a redacted version of the mueller report, but a former attorney general says, what's the hold up? america needs the whole truth. and from marketing with the art of the deal, politics and now accounting 101, a new report
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