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free starting april 8th. boop! oh, there, look at the time. that's a the wrap for me. i wish we could continue our conversation we were having. >> yes. >> we had good coffin vnversati. >> enjoy the rest of your sunday. good afternoon everybody. in new york completely closed and illegal immigrants crossing the border. he is cultitting aid.
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have we reached the boiling point? >> if they don't stop them we are closing the border. we'll keep it closed for a long time. i'm not playing games. mexico has the stop it. breaking his silence joe biden says not once has he intentionally acted inappropriately after a former nevada lawmaker accuses him of inappropriate touching. could it hurt his bid for 2020 and lower the bar? democrats have given him a deadline that they may have to wait a little longer. the attorney general says he doesn't man to release the mueller report until mid-april. first we begin on this sunday with a trump administration over the southern border. harsh reaction to the president's to cut hundreds of millions of dollars in assistance programs. the president's move meant to curb the flow of migrants headed
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to the border. many are calling this move counter productive. money is intended to tur b violence, crime and poverty. they spent this sunday defending the controversial decision. >> you kuld make all of the promises that you want. >> mhow can people deny what thy see day by day and trying to come through this country? >> we could prevent a lot of wr what's happening. a senior democratic aid tells nbc news the administration can
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propose decisions but it requires congressional approval. there's a lot to get on this story right now. let's begin with nbc at the white house and the president made this threat previously in december. this latest round seemed to come out of nowhere. >> the president is clearly concerned about the new groups of migrants that are coming up to the border. he wants to put pressure on the governments in mexico and also the northern countries. the question here is how is this going to be resolved? a lot of ways it will be resolved by the courts because congress has their authorities. it has been tested in the past. there's never been a firm answer to this question whether or not the president can turn off funding that congress has already authorized. >> is it clear whether the administration can slash these funds? >> that's what we are into. in this gray area on whether it
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will be allowed. congress hasn't come out explicitly and said we will challenge this. they haven't said it was legal challenges. i think when you look at what the president has available to him, the reason for the funds, a lot of it would be counter what they have said is necessary and that is to combat narcotics from that part of the world as well as to bolster the local law enforcement there so they can fight crime in the countries to prevent migration. it will be a challenge for the president. >> a challenge and a battle that he seems to be ready to take on this coming week. let's get more on this right now. joining me is reyes and mary harris. hello to all of you guys. thank you for being here with me. what's this funding used by these countries for? >> the funding for central
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america that we send over, to be blunt we are not doing it as charity. it is in the u.s. interest to combat trafficking and ball ster private sectors so there are more jobs in those countries. so it is completely counter productive they would continue to do this. one of the most likely by-products is increased flows of unauthorized migrants. remember, people in central america which are among the world's most dangerous nation, they don't get it from msnbc, they get it from smugglers. there will be no more. it has a perverse effect of telling people if we are going to go we are going to go now.
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it leads to more families and children undertaking this dangerous trek north. >> so this money, as we were pointing out, it's already been allocated by congress. it hasn't been spent necessarily as yet. could the administration actually pull this back and follow through here? >> it is such good question. i think as we go into this next week the question will be can he do that? it will really hit congress where they hurt. it is their power to appropriate. the last time we saw that vote against him in the senate. so i really think what will be interesting to see how it plays out, who steps forward and says this is a bridge too far and he doesn't. >> why would he pick this at if this point? >> it is so confusing. rekr recently he was there meeting
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with officials. on thursday he released a dhs statement talking about the same programs that the president is now talking about cutting. the administration, from an outsiders perspective is running on different treks here. the thing is is a lot of what they are focusing on is missing the bigger picture. always at this time of year we see more people coming northward because the spring is is the last time before the heat of the sum are. >> average used ton 200 to 300. >> right now we are at 800 a day. >> the trump administration has not prepared for them. they are asylum seekers. >> yes. i think the real question is this the kind of action that will prevent this kind of migration? i'm not sure that it is. >> all right. i know you from tehe el paso area? >> it so many of these kids.
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it does -- how did this come about? was it a crisis that the administration allowed to happen or did the administration create? >> it is a little built of both. this has been a problem since 2014 ch the obama administration too, struggled to deal with the families coming northward. >> our imbrags detention system is not set up for families and children. so what has happened, the trump administration has failed to prepare for a very clear seasonal trend. number two they have focused solely on detention. there is no evidence or data that shows that it works. no matter what you do people are still coming. so instead they are focusing on central america and on mexico which has done a lot to combat the caravans and unauthorized flows of migrants. >> i haven't been from belize and i know the sort of aid they
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put to the central american countries. it is vital indeed. thank you so much. joining me right now, the democratic representative, thank you so much for being here. >> you visited the border sand state overnight with asylum seek rs claims and capacity issues. what would shutting down the border do to that situation? >> it will be terrible. it will hurt a lot of people. it will hurt american job and the american economy. it is not going to solve the problem. asylum seekers are coming to prevent themselves legally. the president keeps saying they are illegal. it is legal to present yourself for asylum. it is not going to solve the problemment what i would like to see is to see us have more judges and more personnel to
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process asylum seekers and to conduct credible fear interview. closing the border is not going to solve this problem. it will hurt the american people. >> do you think the president will go through with it? what can you do about it? >> i think congress needs to stand up and clhallenge the president on this. he will feel it. he will see it. when he closed it down we had some over $5 million in costs. if he shuts it down like he says he wants to it could get into the billions of dollars. it will hurt people. i think the pressure will be will for him not to do this. the president loves to threaten. he loves to use fear mongering. congress should stand up and say this is not the way to do it. we need to come together and find better ways to do this including a funding more personnel to actually process asylum seekers. the immigration system is completely backed up. people are having to wait a very
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long time to have their cases heard. i represented a woman and a child from guatemala. we had to wait two and a half years to get a trial date. >> i'm so happy you're here with us. you as a member of the house and homeland security committee you had quite a heated discussion with homeland security secretary about the asylum law. here is a listen. >> you testified that asylum seekers are not being turned away at the ports of industry. was that your testimony here today? >> they are not turned away. they are turned in. >> any asylum seeker that come it to a port of entry -- >> they are allowed to make shi their claim. >> either you're lying or you don't know what is happening at
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the border. i have been there firsthand and i have seen it twice. >> quite a heated exchange. it went on far good five minutes. is it making the asylum problem worse? >> they are certainly making it worse. they are not confined with the law. they are turning people away at the ports of entry who have there to present themselves. that's not the way the law works. i would be going down to el paso on thursday with delegation as a part of the homeland security trip down there. we'll see what's happening down there. this administration is not doing anything to solve the problem. it's certainly not doing anything to comply with u.s. law on processing asylum seekers and if you also talk a look at how they are being traded it is inhue machb inhumane. we should be able to solve this problem. >> and speaking of the humane conditions we saw photos of
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those kids, those families under the bridge in el paso. i'm sure it is all over the place. do they seem like humane conditions where families are being held? >> absolutely not. this is the first time i have seen such a huge number basically caged in there. it is unacceptable that we are having them sleep on the gravel, what we are feeding them. conditions there are unacceptable. it is heartbreaking to see and congress really needs to come together to stop this and to continue to provide oversight. it is doing whatever it wants. it is basically saying somebody stop me. congress needs to hold this secretary accountable. >> the administration does appear to be picking a battle there on the border. we'll see who wins out in the end. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. still ahead, william barr says mid-april or sooner?
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democrats aren't having it. the fight to have him release the entire report. >> saturday night has three different takes of the mueller report. >> we have not drawn a definitive conclusion. >> but i have. my conclusion is trump's clean as a whistle. >> free at last. free at last. >> as for conspiracy or collusion there were several questionable incidences involving the president's team but we cannot prove a criminal connection. >> no collusion. no diggity, no doubt. , no doubt has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company,
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i have to think bob mueller wrote his report flowing because he could hear all around him the public will demand to see it knowing he applied by sending this memo talking about how bob mueller's obstruction theory was bogus. what are the odds he would say let's let that guy decide. >> concerns over whether president trump obstructed justice. bill barr is expected to blow past democrats tuesday deadline to release mueller's entire 400 page report to congress. all of this comes as a new nbc news wall street journal poll
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shows only 29% of voters believe trump has been cleared of wrong doing at least based on the four-page letter. 40% say they do not believe he has been cleared at all. joining us are msnbc law editor. thank you for being here with us. what ado you make of this new polling that they believe the president is is right there? >> i think it suggests a large plurality of people or a majority if you count those who are not sure are really inclined to wait to see what mueller actually said before deciding that the president has been cleared. you know, rather than taking a four-page summary of the
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top-line decisions not to bring criminal charges and interpreting it as a substantive vindication. by the way, those people are right. the president may well have been cleared by the mueller investigation, but we will not know that until we see what bob mueller actually said rather than bill barr's top line accounts of his prosecutorial decisions. >> and they are hoping to see it has soon as tuesday. okay. it appears bill barr will not come out with this report by tuesday. what happens if he doesn't? what is congress's next move? what does nadler do? >> well, i think not only does he have to face the possibility that they are going to push for it to come out sooner but he also said friday that he will redact not only information,
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classified information, information related to ongoing investigations but also discretionary information that could be prejudicial our third parties in this report. a lo are guessing. i think you'll see congressman nadler and others push to have those discretionary redactions totally unredacted too. >> and speaking of that mulvaney was insinuating that congress does not have the power to get trump's written answers from mueller. here is what he had to say. >> mr. barr is going to decide what he releases. congress doesn't get to do criminal investigations. that's not an article one authority. the law has been followed. things have played out the way they were supposed to. congress needs to find something else to worry about.
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>> i think congress might disagree with it. >> just a little bit. >> i think the thing sheer that the vast majority of americans want access to the full report and that seems reasonable. it goes across party lines. you saw people saying sure, release the whole thing. the way you feel is a little bit of how you feel about william barr and how you feel about his authority and what decisions he is going to make. that's where we are right now. >> blast yowhat's your take on ? you said first people should calm down. after the bill barr letter whose behavior has been pretty reasonable. you said mule aeller appears toe written. it is at the football game there. what do you mean by all of that? >> no. i was referring to leon, the
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watergate special prosecutor. people have a lot of questions. they should have a lot of questions. a lot of people are not inclined to trust bill barr. what i was saying there and what i believe is we should actually wait before we go mid-evil to see what he produces. i don't think there's a big difference between tuesday and mid-april and so if in mid-april bill barr produces a 400 page document with modest redactions that are focused on genuinely sensitive national security information and material that is prohibited for release by grand jury rules i don't have a problem with that. i don't think giving him a modest amount of time in order get a reasonable review done that produces a release, you know, is unreasonable asked on
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his part at auchlt on the other hand if that release come an you see pages and pages and pages that are blacked out. they seem to be areas that are not sort of incidental pieces of information but core findings of bob mueller then we will have very serious questions. >> okay. >> on the obstruction matter, look, i read the original bill barr letter as saying that mueller wrote out a detailed fact ch factual account for dong evaluate the president's behavior rather than to sort of think about this in a traditional framework. i'm very sympatheticic to that that's what mueller did and so i am actually pretty optimistic that we are going to get in the relative short term a reasonable
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account of what bob mueller found. i think people should hold their breath, you know, and hold their anger until we don't get the results that we demand and respect. >> i assume it is all of this pressu pressure. >> congress so, you'll see them make the case they have been deprived of one of their powers granted to them under the constitution which is the ability to pursue impeachment proceedings. >> okay.
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an op ed says saudi arabia, some of them on the extramarital affair. he wrote the story himself saying our investigators and several experts concluded with high confidence the saudis gave them private information. as of today it is unclear to what degree, if any, was aware of the details. the new revolution who also owns washington post accused of blackmail saying they threatened to publish infamous photo of
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him. it was michael sanchez who tipped the national inquirer off to the affair. there was no involvement by any other third party whatsoever. we have katie here. frank, let me start with you. i called it scandalous at the time. these findings, are they also surprising to you? >> a couple of things, first, it could get more scandalous.
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>> at the most extreme level they murdered a reporter from the washington post. the notion they might have been targeting the information of the owner of the washington post doesn't surprise or shouldn't surprise anyone. what he leaves open is this question of the degree to which the saudi government shared with ami david pecker national inquirer do we have a kind of geo political love triangle going on that ami was taking care of the president to say lens his critic taking care of the saudis and all of this in
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some bizarre triangle that needs much further investigation. >> it could get more scandalous? >> exactly. the role of the president needs to be explored here. we have potential for a federal crime having bchb committed. there's an allegation that saudi hakd into a cyber crime that needs to be investigated by the fbi. he implied he handed this over to federal law enforcement. it will be continued for some time. >> and he has worked for him for 22 years with bezos. this is clearly a bomb shell accusation. are there legal ramifications if these claims are true? >> the legal ramifications are huge because if everybody will recall ami is currently on a
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cooperation agreement with the southern district of new york. it is part of the reason why it has been scandalous to use the and to be able to get this real information is what put ami on edge. if they violate the cooperation agreement they could have serious problems with the feds. from a 30,000 view position frank's point about this potential love triangle is not the miechael sanchez thing. it is saudi arabia. >> so will this go any where? >> listen, pompeo met this past week at headquarters. nothing done by the united states about the murder.
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we have a private u.s. citizen that allegedly had his private cell phone hacked into by the saudis. >> this is the sort of stuff even the national indwierer couldn't possibly make up. thapg you guys. >> still ahead, former aids come to the defense after a walmart accuses him of inappropriate touching, thousand allegations could pose a challenge for him next year. could pose a challengm next year.
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very unexpectedly and out of nowhere i feel joe biden put his hands on my shoulders, get up very close to me from behind, lean in, smell my hair and then plant a slow kiss on the top of my head. >> that of course is former nevada assemblywoman accusing joe biden of inappropriately touching her without consent. that was at a 2014 rally. abc news has not verified what she said took place. biden came up in his defense releasing a statement that reads in part in my years on the campaign trail and in public life i have offered countless
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handshakes, expregs of of affection, support and comfort. not once, never did i believe i acted inappropriately. it comes as biden weighs on whether to run for president. crossing and looking to pick. o' r o'rourke. >> this three-day relaunch show of force has now wrapped up three big rallies, crowds in the thousands in el paso, in houston, texas and then late last night here in austin, texas under the capital dome another crowd of thousands for o'rourke, to shade in some of this and to draw a rit l more attention
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before this crucial first fundraising deadline that ends tonight for the first quarter. it has been a strength of the campaign so far. they raised $6.1 million on the first 24 hours of the campaign. the effort has been to raise another million dollars over the last two days in this fundraising swing. we'll see him really launch things again in two sbregs ways in this coming week. first we'll see him on stage in d.c. on monday and on wednesday in new york city. another big iowa test. the candidate plans to hold some two dozen events over four days from wednesday through sunday. it is the kind of sprint that has so far been a hallmark of o o'r o'rourke's campaign. they continue to make him a target among others that have
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seen him rise very quickly. it is a substance that has exploded into this race in the early stage ts. >> wish him luck with that. all right. thanks to him there in austin. all right. let me bring in my panel. chris is a former assistant to president obama and labor secretary and also with me is noel. she is a republican strategist and author of branding america. all right. what do you make of these allegations against just biden. >> i worked for him for four
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years. he likes to shake habd and likes to hold people. it is an important contrast is what makes him authentic. he probably does need to modify his approach going forward. that being said i'm not sure this is an area that donald trump given his problems with women could really make much hay out of it during the general election. >> it is getting a little bit of traction. what would you tell those people? >> i would say politics was definitely the reason we are having these conversations is because he is considered running for president. frankly the reason why i felt so compelled to finally say something is because over the years as this behavior was
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documented as it was dismissed by the media and not taken seriously that conversation was not coming up. >> and the other question is why would she say all of this? could it actually stop him from going? from putting his hat in the ring. >> he said it won't be enough. another thing we all need to take a step back and look at is where do we draw the line between affection and sexual harassment? >> she didn't feel she was sexually har rased. >> right. what is she putting out there? she is putting out she had unwanted affection. i can tell you someone that ran for congress how many times people would come up and give me a hug. you have got to know, you know,
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in society what's right and what is wrong. i think biden did an excellent job of saying maybe i'll rethink this in the future. we are in the me too climate. we are in a different ball game if he put his hat in the ring i think he will rethink some of the things he has done. i don't view him as a predator by any means. >> also facing allegations later in his life. let me get your take on him for a moment. he appears to be all personality. a lot of to people are saying there's not a lot of policy there. she o he is one of the top contenders in the polls. why? >> i remember a lot of people making those exact same statements saying being all hopeful vision and no ub stance. we are very early. there's more than enough time to
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put policy meat on the bones. what is very is that he offers a really stark contrasting vision to what the president is offered on the president's issue of immigration. it is a more hoped for and unifying vision. it is one that sort of speaks as a country of immigrants. i think what's important is the policy differences. you saw this past week not only amy putting out a 1 trillion infrastruck dh infrastructure proposal. you saw increase for teefrpache salary. >> putting out a lot of vision there. chris, do stick around with me. thanks to you. >> still ahead, the fight to save obamacare and the president's lack of a plan to replace it. president's lack of a plan to plreace it jimmy's gotten used to his whole room smelling like sweaty odors. yup, he's gone noseblind. he thinks it smells fine, but his mom smells this... luckily for all your hard-to-wash fabrics...
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case. speaker nancy pelosi and house democrats quickly followed up with a bill that not only protects obamacare but expands it. what kind of trouble could that spell for republicans? brandon buck, a chief communications adviser for speaker paul ryan and former press secretary under speaker john boehner. health care as you know was a gift that kept giving for democrats in 2018. it was a number one issue that drove voters to the ballot box. why the republican party or the president go down this road right now? >> as you noted, this was the issue that democrats beat republicans over the head on in the 2018 election. i think this came as a big surprise to congressional leaders and saw mitch mcconnell say i don't want to have anything to do with this. look. if there was a chance that the
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republicans could put together a plan to repeal and replace obamacare right now that's one thing but that's not going to happen. democrats control the house right now. there is no plan and ultimately all you're doing is drawing attention to an issue that's not helpful to republicans and has us fighting with each other and i think democrats are on the run on health care issues. this conversation about medicare for all has been helpful to republicans and getting on offense and knocks us off that. >> people were celebrating when the president made that move and doj made that move. noel, the proposal is major slashes to medicare, medicaid and other social programs like food stamps prompting "the washington post" headline this week republicans fear being seen as the party of the 1%. >> we have always battled with the party of the 1% and because
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of the vision we have on tax cuts for corporations, you know. so i think that we are always going to have that albatross attached to our brand. what trump's been able to do with job creation, we have some of the lowest unemployment numbers that we have ever seen. we have had, you know, you've got from consumer confidence off the wall, you have good numbers in the stock market, but i think with trump trying to double down on health care, we've got to be very cautious. paul ryan came out when we had a republican congress, he came out of the bag with health care. >> i'm sure brendan remembers that well and has the sores from it. >> hey, paul ryan, why didn't you come out with infrastructure when we could have something with a bipartisanship. we didn't. now we come back around and trying to take away that brand
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of the 1% and replace that with health care so this is going to be very interesting to see what we do. >> for many republicans i think hearing infrastructure has put some chills down your spine. chris, okay. so it's fairly early right now. the next election is more than 500 days away. does this move by the doj and coming out against obamacare have a lasting affect? will it? >> well, it will have a lasting effect because there's an ongoing court case in the fifth circuit and if they strike down obamacare this will continue on to the supreme court and that will create a great instability in the system right now. this is not only a political challenge for republicans as it's also a policy challenge. they don't really have a viable policy alternative that can both expand coverage and bring down costs and that's one of the issues right now and one of the reasons why republicans run away as fast as possible. it is also important to
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recognize this week that the trump administration lost two big court cases on health care and the alternatives are not faring well in the system. >> you have mick mulvaney talking today kind of locking in the corporate tax cuts with health care and the strategy. is that a smart one? >> well, i think the contrast that the white house wants to set up is one on the economy and focusing on the good track record, 3.8% unemployment, wages growing at the fastest rate in a decade, 71% of the country that feels the economy is in a good place. if you can talk about that and contrast it with the policies of the democrats, the high tax rates and the green deal, that's the contrast to have. health care is a distraction from that unless you talk about the democrats' plan to be increasingly unpopular as people talk about it. >> i think the democrats are
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saying, health care, bring it on. brendan, thank you. chris, noel, thank you. still ahead, make it public or keep it secret? the clash of house democrats and republicans of evidence from robert mueller's investigation. >> tech: at safelite autoglass,
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good afternoon, everyone. i'm kendis gibson in new york city. the three bs, barr, border and
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biden. william barr. releasing the mueller report. the new battle isn't over when he'll release it. it centers now on the evidence that he plans to keep secret. and then there's the border. the white house says it's reached a breaking point. the president is now threatening to close the entire u.s./mexico border this week. is he bluffing? would mexico respond? and biden. joe biden defending his behavior following an accusation of inappropriate behavior towards a former nevada lawmaker. could this coupled with the anita hill testimony and the rise of the me too movement halt his bid for 2020? all right. we are going do begin with the troubling new poll results for the president coming the russia investigation. some 40% of people surveys in a nbc news/"wall street journal" poll say what they know about the mueller report does not clear the president of wrongdoing. despite the president claiming it exonerates him on charges of
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both collusion and obstruction. and now that last claim is the latest reason behind the capitol hill sound of democrats and attorney general barr. democrats threatening to subpoena the 400-page report to determine whether trump obstructed justice. >> nobody knows what the mueller report says because we haven't seen it. we have the barr summary. >> i believe in looking at evidence. i don't have the report. the public wants to see the report. >> barr believes that he can take his time and redact the 300 or 400-page report from bob mueller. i think he could get a waver coming to grand jury evidence and then produce the report in the entirety for the congress. >> barr has until tuesday to give the complete report to congress but he's expected to miss that deadline. barr is promising to release a redacted version of the report by mid-april if not sooner.
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with me, let's head to hans nichols at the white house. >> reporter: the white house is consistently doubling down on the idea there's no collusion and saw from that rudy giuliani in this tweet where he's saying, room, the collusion with russia we now know was contrived. some people created it to prevent and as an insurance policy to move the real donald trump. all those must be identified and if appropriate punished. really now for the last six days is couching it in protecting the office of the presidency, not just specifically this president. you hear that from the president himself. now, they are fudging it slightly by insisting that this report is also given them a clean bill of health of obstruction of justice and listen to how kellyanne con way answered that charge earlier today. >> when the president said it's
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total exoneration on obstruction, that is just not true. >> the president is probably comparing that report and the ultimate conclusions. >> i'm asking you about obstruction, though. >> we'll see what the full mueller report says. >> okay. >> reporter: so that's an indication that maybe the white house feels that they could be exxon rated by the fuel report. remember, president trump's non twitter position on what to do about the report to have the ag release it. he's backed off on that a little bit saying maybe democrats will continue to nitpick but it seems that the white house is inclined to have it released with the caveats and bill barr said he'll release it without giving the white house a heads up so we're really debating when it is going to be released and yes could be subpoenas. congress could try to force william barr to release it. any avenue for that to work itself out in the court would be
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superceded by the barr schedule in a couple of weeks. kendis? >> i guess we're parsing the calendar dates there. thank you. all right. for more let ice bring in contributor and former u.s. attorney in michigan barbara mcquaid, legal analyst and former prosecutor glen kishner and erin banco for the daily beast. you mentioned what barr did is not sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what he's come up with as far as conspiracy and -- as well. what do you make of the letter he wrote? >> here's the concern i have. bill barr said he was going to share some of the mueller conclusions and the principle findings and then he said, one, bob mueller found there was not sufficient evidence to prove
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conspiracy of the trump campaign and russia. and two, bob mueller said he can neither conclude that the president obstructed justice nor can he clear the president. he can't exonerate the president. that's a dramatic finding from bob mueller who's a circumspect, thoughtf thoughtful person and then bill barr throws this bomb into the public square and without any legal reasoning offered, without any evidentary evidence and then lets the bomb explode and sprays this disinformation through the public consciousness and now we have all of the president's underlings going out on the speaking tour saying sometimes misleadingly bob mueller found no collusion, no obstruction. that's not the case.
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what they're doing is framing the issue in a way this people are going to be looking at the mueller report and going to have to undo what they're already coming to believe that bob mueller found no obstruction, no collusion. that is not the case. we have to wait and see what the evidence in the report actually shows. >> kind of seems like you're saying that barr is biding time for that public opinion to shift in that direction. erin, former attorney general yates is out with an op-ed urging barr to release mueller's full report. each day that passes without congress having access to the full mueller report is a day that congress is prevented from doing its job of keeping our elections free from russian espionage efforts. i mean, is there any other choice but for the entire mueller report to be released? are they able to fight that? >> this is what the democrats are going to be pushing for. right? a full release unredacted
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version of the mueller report. there's two things to look at here. what democrats want and what the american public is satisfied with. i think in the end, you know, a full unredacted mueller report sent to congress is what the house democrats and democrats in general on the hill are pushing for. but really in reality what we're going to see most likely i think is redactions that barr has already pointed out, pointed out grand jury testimony and information, anything to do with counter intelligence, ongoing investigations and other jurisdictions and so, you know, i think the concern among democrats is how much of this report are we going to be able to read that are so many unanswered questions of obstruction of justice and the other threads we've been following and i think they will be pushing forward with the next couple of days and next weeks or so for that full unredacted
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version. >> that is a biga,ou wrote some interesting here. mueller's full report could reveal if the attorney general is playing politics. >> i think along the lines that glen talked about. one, interjecting himself to make the decision on obstruction of justice. robert mueller reached no conclusion. is that because he thought that it's only appropriate for congress to decide whether a high crime or misdemeanor is committed here and for which impeachment is appropriate? that could be the decision and the appointee for president trump makes the decision himself. the whole purpose of having a special counsel rule in the first place is to take politics out of it, to make sure that the decision maker is someone who's insulated from the executive branch chain of command so that the public can have confidence that the decision is free of
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partisan politics. a political appointee william barr has i think brought political concern back into the picture so that's one concern. and then the other i think is the delay with an opportunity to control the narrative by announcing the final conclusions but not providing the 400 pages of all of the details he has allowed the public to let this news sink in, to let president trump claim victory, there is quote/unquote no collusion and seeing the details and could be very troubling by then he's counting on the public to have moved on. >> meantime the public, 80% of them, saying that they want to see the full report. glen, barr says that mueller will help write the redacted version of the report to release to the public. what are you expecting to come from that? >> well, kendis, i'm hardened that he will be involved in the process. >> do you think mueller was
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involved in the first letter from last sunday? >> it is hard to say. if there's anything that turns out to be misleading in that letter then i would say, oh heck no because that's -- bob mueller doesn't do misleading nor does he do hemming and thahawing. i know that because he was my supervisor. the only way he would have punted because he's not the kind of guy to punt but will take the ball and run it up the middle trying to gain yards for a first down. if he punted, i suspect it's because bill barr said, you know what? why don't you lay out the evidence on both sides and let me handle this one? we're going to find out if he was told to punt, if he was told not to actually reach a conclusion on the obstruction once he get both barr and then hopefully mueller in front of congress. >> erin, and barbara, starting with erin, do you think that's why we got the follow-up letter
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on friday from barr where he says he might have been mischaracterized? >> so we don't know what conversations have been had between bill barr and robert mueller in the past couple of weeks or months. presumably quite a few. we don't know the behind the scenes action, conversation going on between them. so it's really hard to say what part mueller played if any in that second letter. what i will say is we do know barr and mueller working together. we don't know how closely on the redaction process. the question is, does mueller have a certain idea of what to get to congress and match what barr wants and what are the diverging ideas? i think it's going to take sometime to understand what's going on behind the scenes in this process. i don't think we're there yet. >> barbara, i found that second
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letter interesting and what we can do is parse those words. >> yeah. i thought one of the things that the second letter did that was not in the first letter is laying down a marketer for executive privilege. barr says in the second letter that the president would have the right to exert executive privilege and he said he'll defer to the attorney general to do that. i don't know if that means president trump is waving the executive privilege or allowing barr the attorney general to do something extraordinary which is to redact things that may be subject to executive privilege including agency deliberations and the issue identified that i think the public wants the know, why did barr decide this and not mueller, could be considered an agency deliberation protected by executive privilege. will william barr cover that up, too? >> on this nbc news/"wall street journal" polling finds about 16% thinks congress has enough
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evidence to start impeachment proceedings and 33% said congress could continue investigating. what else do they need? >> they need the contents of the mueller report. even if he didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law i suspect there's troubling information about contacts between the trump campaign and russia. that was bob mueller investigative mandate. i can tell he's done that thoroughly and professionally and objectively and i think what congress and the american people need to answer the question whether there's enough to begin is the evidence. >> what is the evidence? will we ever see it? our thanks to all of you. hopefuls are wasting no time addressing allegations of joe biden. some even siding with the woman
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that made the claims. could this be the controversy that takes out one of the biggest names in 2020 politics?
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candidate preparing to make a case for why i should be elected the second in command of that state, to have the vice president of the united states do that to me so unexpectedly and just kind out of nowhere, it was just shocking. >> that's former nevada assembly woman flores launching an allegation against joe biden claiming he kissed the back of her head as the two waited their turn to speak at a rally in 2014. biden released a statement today addressing the claims reading in part in my many years on the campaign trail and in public life, i have offered countless hand shakes, hugs, expresses of affection, support and comfort. an not once, never,dy believe i acted inappropriately. it was never my intention. all this comes as biden weighs
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whether to run for president. you have this new poll from nbc news and "wall street journal" making it clear it is a democratic front-runner with 33% voter enthusiasm. joining me is the host of woke af on sirius fm and ashley pratt, a contributor and board member for republican women for progress. welcome to you all. danielle, do want to start with you. will these claims stick? will these impact the decision? >> i'll say this. as a pr and communications expert, i think the statement was a good one. i think that it was important for them to come out very strong with a strongly worded samt which they did. the reality is that the retail politician that joe biden is and the current climate of me too and times up that we are living in run contradictory to each other and so joe biden is going to have to make a lot of changes about the way in which he shares
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his affection, the way in which he embraces folks, men and women alike. >> you mean -- the iowa state fair, holding babies far away? >> needs to have a little bit of distance. i have been on the rope line with joe biden many a times and super friendly. reaching across the rope and rubbing shoulders but if somebody says that what you're doing has made me me feel uncomfortable then that is problematic and the line that people need to walk now and so the joe biden of yesteryear is not going to move forward in 2020 in the current climate. >> that's really a key right there. that key word of comfort and whether you feel comfortable with the actions of someone. you know, biden is weighing. he's waited quite a while to make a decision here. could this though stop him before he even gets in the race? >> i hope that it doesn't because as someone when's a disaffected republican voter he
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would be my first choice despite the allegations and here's why i say that. i think the me too movement has done a great job at being able to empower women to speak up on issues but the other problem it has created is one of less opportunity now for women and i say that as someone that works in a male dominated environment in campaigns and politics and there will be less opportunities now for women to attend a happy hour or a holiday party because men are going to feel uncomfortable around women and the fact we would go as far as to say that biden should change the way he is or that he needs to be less affectionate i think is a problem. that's a part of who he is. he is an affectionate, likable person and that part of what why he is polling so well and able to be bipartisan and cut across the aisle and make the friendships because he is a genuine person so i think one person out of the thousands that he has met also during his time as vice president is telling.
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the one other thing to say in the era of me too, joe biden has tood stood up for sexual assault survivors and to make sure that survivors are heard and that there is not one more sexual violence in this country so i do think he has a good track record -- >> where people supported women's causes over the years and -- >> while doing horrible things and not saying that joe biden is one of those people but i completely disagree. w the fact that because of the me too movement that women are not going do get the same types of offers for mentorship by men. because her's the thing. if you're a creepy guy, you're a creepy guy regardless and men should know when you cross the line and when you are not. >> women say you should know when it's inappropriate. >> yeah. >> pointed out in the -- >> it's not that hard to realize. and so, what we have seen with
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the me too movement is that there have been many instances of people where it's egregious behavior and saying that -- not saying that joe biden needs to change who he is but recognize the times people are living in and evolve with the times and the behavior. >> ashley, really quickly, read you part of his statement. continues and get reaction on the other end. he says that i may not recall these moments the same way and i may be surprised at what i hear but we have arrived at an important time when women feel they can and should relate their experiences and men should pay attention and i will. does it sound like he expects more women to come forward? >> potentially. i hope not for our country's sake because he was vice president of the united states. again, men should never be taking advantage of women. i think we can all agree on that but there are differences of a kiss on the back of the head and
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someone doing something completely horrible and assaulting a female. now, there is also a difference between something that's done in a very jovial way and something that makes women feel uneasy and i think we can say we've in both situations and a feeling that you have that if you feel uneasy you should feel comfortable coming forward and i respect joe biden for saying that, hey, i believe in empowering women and the right to say these things and he also has to be able to defend himself, too. if he didn't do in it a malicious way or mean or intend any harm we need to give him the credit there to be able to hear him and his side of the story, as well, too, and recognize there are two sides to every story and not every situation is one of malice and not done with an intentional way to degrade or to attack a female. >> do you think that al franken should have stepped down? >> i do. >> do you think there's a big difference of what he was
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accused of and what joe biden accused of? >> i do. a kiss on the back of the head and inappropriate sexual advances to staffers, completely different situations at hand and i think we are living in a time where it's important for women to speak up and i'm the first one to say that and support the me too movement and want to see more opportunities for women. i don't want to see situations where females can't be chiefs of staff because they can't be alone with their boss and see many opportunities for women moving forward and see it in a way that's healthy and hear both sides because there are also situations of what we have seen with amy klobuchar and male staffers say things against her and think about how it's perceived in the media as the candidates move forward. >> we should point out one former biden staffer mentioned in an op-ed that he is a good boss and a supporter of women's rights over the years. stick around with me. but still ahead, border
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globe. a navy s.e.a.l. charged with the murder of a prisoner was moved to a less restrictive bar racks after president trump said he would help clear the way for the transfer and tweeted that gallagher shouldn't be held in the brig while awaiting trial because of the service to the nation. the teen stabs they say was a premeditated act. mark zuckerberg is calling for stricter regulations of social media and wants regulators to play a more active role of establishing rules for the internet. facebook has come under fire for spreading misinformation following the mosque shooting in new zealand. the rolling stones postponing the upcoming north american tour due to the mick jagger health problems. a statement from the band said he needs medical treatment and cannot go on tour at this time.
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no wortd d on what he is treate for. blockbuster revealed the last store in australia is closing leaving a single store in the world and it is right in the usa calling the small town of bend, oregon, home. travelers have begun a pilgrimage to the video rental chain there where they can still open a membership and rent movies for $30 a month. a bargain. don't forget to rewind before you return. that's still a thing. the trump administration is fighting back countering backlash over the intention to cut millions of dollars of aid to guatemala, honduras and el salvador as the president reiterate it is threats to cut off the border unless mexico stops all illegal immigration. >> isn't this self defeeting taking aid from the countries and making the crisis worse? >> look.
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there's a lot of good ways to help solve this problem. congress could do it. they're not going to. mexico could help us do it. others could do more and giving them hundreds of millions of dollars we would like them to do more. >> a delegation visiting on el salvador called the approach counterproductive saying it will result in more children and families forced to make the dangerous journey north. joining me is victoria defrancesco, a msnbc contributor and antonio hilton, correspondent for vice news and elzi pabaro for "the new york times." let's start with you, victoria. you know this region well. what impact could the cuts have on the countries and the aid there? >> it would be absolutely
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disastrous. >> talking about 450 million i should mention. >> i mean, it is this huge sum of money and it's about providing aid to the countries, stemming the push factors. immigration is about push and pull factors. folks leaving the central american region because they're pushed out as a result of violence, lack of economic opportunity. this would be disastrous, cause more people to come and secondly in terms of the aid, it is not some charity that we are giving out to these countries and latin america. it is about the advancement of strategic interests in the united states. just like diplomacy is. it's not a freebie but something that really factors in to our larger foreign policy in the united states. bob menendez is highlighting this. it doesn't help president trump to bash and insult mexico instead of let's work together,
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mexico. central america. give you strategic aid and makes the whole situation worse. >> many people are saying by cutting off the funds it will not stop the asylum seekers. because especially you, because you spent some time right there on the el paso border. you haven't been there recently but the situation has changed and it does seem as if there's more of a crisis. what's at the heart there? >> what's going on in the border right now is we are seeing a surge in numbers and we are on track -- today's the last day of march and supposedly on track for 100,000 apprehensions or interactions with migrants and a major increase of the last month and last several years a notable number an of course seeing not single males coming across but families and children and complicate things with the agencies responsible for the care and the administration
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takes responsibility here. when do you act likes cap the number of people who can request asylum at the legal ports of entry, of course you see chaos spread out. it's going to give this appearance of a chaotic situation where people are crossing at illegal points and you can sort of say that there's a huge rush and in a way it's a bit manipulative. many wanpeople want to come thrh the legal borders and watch them waiting on the bridges and turned away. i lived there for a long time and saw this process building up and none of this is surprising the people who have watched these patterns happen and watch where on the one hand happy to make it look like a crisis and some of the ports available manipulated in a way migrants may have no other choice. >> 90% are trying to come through ports of entry. >> and the announcement raises
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this broad question of always asked with a policy. what is your goal? how does your plan relate to your goal? does reducing aid reduce the number of people at the crossings? third, how are you measuring this? if we are on pace to get over 100,000 apprehensions and encounters, the question is going to be what happens next month when you have similar numbers or perhaps more numbers and much less coming in aid? the question is, what are you doing to connect your plan to the goal that you want? it is not very clear that money in foreign aid to directly reduce this. >> victoria, you know the area very well. the border towns there. will shutting down the mexico border help the situation at all? >> oh god. it would be horrific. just -- in terms of human family, social, cultural fabric, the economics of it. across the whole border on a daily basis we see 1.7 billion in commerce so if we were to
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shut down the border that would go out the window. when the border was shut down a couple of months ago in november for three, four hours in tijuana, a loss of over $5 million. a tremendous loss there. in terms of families, you have families that live on one side of the border and go to school on the other. you would disrupt their lives completely. think about the symbolism of it. to shut down the border with our neighbor, friend mexico, what message does that send to the world? on every dimension it's disastrous. hundreds of thousands of people cross that border every year. my thanks to you guys. still ahead, boycotts and global outrage over a country's new death penalty against homosexuals and adulterers.
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here's a growing backlash including some of the america's top celebrities against a small oil-rich country. this wednesday the country of brunei to implement a horrible new law. most people can't pick brunei out on a map. the new mandates this people who engage in sexual relations with the same sex with same sex be stoned to death and the same punishment for those accused of
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adultery and others are calling for action including george clooney and elton john. the country owns several hotels around the world including in los angeles. diane moody mills is back with us and msnbc anchor ayman mohyeldin and contributor christopher dickey are here. thank you all for being here with me. danielle, this is such a horrible law. and it took many of these celebrities including george clooney and elton yon to speak up to get it some traction. >> this is not the first time of a country that is creating a law al and policy to kill lgbtq ia people around the world and this is absolutely disgusting and horrific but the reality is that we have an administration that's not coming out and making a strong statement to say that
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this is horrific and bad for the lgbtq community. why? one of the first abouts they did coming into office is trying to ban transgender people from the military, rescind obama guidelines on protecting trans kids in school and the community has been a target of this administration. and so, we look at these countries and we say how horrible, there are grade yagss of horrible and we should be holding this administration accountable for not coming out saying, condemning this. why? because for them it's not that big of a deal. >> the administration said they're concerned with what is happening in brunei and the new laws. you have some familiarity, ayman, with this. it is a small oil-rich country and has wide reaching impact across the world. >> yeah. because of its stature in the investments and tried to position itself. not a country a lot of americans
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are vacationing to but promotes itself, you know, in the context of where it sits in the south china sea and because it owns things like the beverly hills hotel and tries to have a larger than its stature footprint at least in the economies of the world with its investments and kind of project in image of prosperity but i think as danielle was saying the problem is this is what people point to as an example of an american leadership deficit. when the united states which tries to be a leader in so many parts of the world on the social issues fall short of that, countries feel like they can get away with the types of measures in a way that is sometimes i think by any measure of the word this is not something that the world would look and say this is a good step forward for brunei. >> they're not alone with the harsh laws and hearing about it with stoning and cutting off people's hands, it does get the attention but there are other
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countrys that are doing similar things to similar people. >> if this is a new law, there's one on the books already, a new law in iran we would be hearing about it. this is the selective attitude of the administration. iran has the death penltd falty gays and saudi arabia and sudan. it is not unique to brunei. do we hear about it with saudi arabia? from the administration. not this administration. it is totally in the pocket of saudi arabia. this is a selective thing and talking about brunei they're being super conservative in their condemnation. the daily beast went back to them again and again saying will pompeo condemn this law? not going to do that. >> not as yet. just saying that they're concerned by it. all of this is because of the laws there. some of the religious laws.
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>> yeah. well let's be very clear of this. this is the interpretation and i think as we have seen in the past this is the danger of countries that try to say they're implementing sha rye yeah law and very few of the countries that claim to implement it has a vague idea of how it is and saudi arabia banned women from driving, thought that they were implementing sharia law and now brunei with their version. the reality is it's not a discussion so much about the religion as it is about a country or a ruler or an autocratic ruler's interpretation and why is that specific country adopting or interpreting a law or using religion and this is not very n uncommon in the west to advance their political agenda for power and we can talk ad nauseam about that but we don't have to go down that road. >> there's a huge hypocrisy
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factor, too. the countries, the ruling class in the countries, the rich princes, deck department. any contact with them know that's the case and pass the laws for public consumption. >> some of the nicest hotels. >> in paris where i live. >> thank you so much. thank you. >> it's all family. all right. what's in a logo? a closer look at the visual messages candidates are sending to voters. know how to cover almost anything. even rooftop parking. strange forces at work? only if you're referring to gravity-and we covered it.
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he's here to go through the ways candidates are branding their campaigns. welcome to you all. so we're currently waiting by the way and we should point out for the campaigns to bring out their totals and to release all of them. how much they raise from now matters to people. why? >> i think that because it shows the popularity of the candidate. right? if you're able to raise a lot of money with small donors and the dnc changed the rules in february with announcement saying that that was how they were going to decide whether or not the candidates make it to the main stage for the debates. right? first one in june and by showing how much money you can raise around the country shows whether or not you have the viability to continue on in the primary race and the reality is unfortunately money plays a big part in our politics and that matters. >> ashley, though, also, the number of donors plays a big part in the politics.
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of course, depending on the number of donors on the debate stage, what will you be looking for out of the numbers? >> i think what's interesting that danielle mentioned, that number for the dnc is 65,000 individual donations and can be of any amount. but that's an important number so we need to be looking at that as we move forward and see which candidates are eligible with that threshold and up against trump as the democrats continue to move forward, a thing that's super important for democrats and the dnc to remember is that that is fueled and funded a lot by their grassroots so this is a strictly grassroots movement on the republican side on the trump/pence ticket and something that the dnc will have to combat moving forward. >> many people hope to get the grassroots effort going. >> let's talk about the logos.
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i find these fascinating to look at. look at beto's logo and compared to wattaburger. who's winning the game right now? you study the business. >> yeah. first of all, let's get something straight. the logo is not going to make people vote for you. >> okay. >> that's an important thing. they make people remember you. >> people remember jeb. >> oh yeah. exclamation point. >> needs to be appropriate to the message to send. okay? so you asked about beto. there's something a little unfortunate there. which is the space between the "e" and the "t" is too big and reads as be to than beto. letter spacing is important. >> that's important. you see playing up saying top
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name. you have over the years some legendary logos. president obama's logo from '08, of course, stands out there. >> that changed everything. >> how so? >> because up until then everybody just slapping the american flag and a star next to the name and called it a campaign logo, an enthd that can brought in a commercial angle and so effective because they could really use it on its own as representing the name as a "o" and captured the hope. right? he was selling hope the idea of the sun rising over the fields rind of a hopeful, hopeful vision. >> sold many t-shirts and beyond from that. the trump/pence logo. >> dear god. >> thank you so much. appreciate it. danielle, thank you. say hello to your wife. >> i will. >> there you go.
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