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but it doesn't tell us anything good or decent or honorable or professional about the attorney general of the united states. that's tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. >> and president trump shifts h his attacks to the origin oz of the mueller investigation. the whistleblower speaks exclusively toinate net news and aft fireworks today, we learned those subpoenas have been served. and a chinese woman arrested after a security breach at mar-a-lago. she was kaurying two passports and a thumb drive with malware. "the 11th hour" on a tuesday night starts right now.
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♪ good evening once again from our nbc news head quarters in new york. day 803 of the trump administration and as house democrats intensify their scrutiny of the white house, the president is fighting back. his administration is up against two powerful committee chairman. breath moving quickly to demand more information, testimony, documents or whatever they say they need to carry out investigations into the trump administration. two subpoenas including the 2020 censuses were served. we're hours away from what will be a closely watched move on capitol hill. the house judiciary committee is expected to vote to authorize a supe subpoena for special counsel
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mueller's report without redactions. william barr did not can deliver the report by the it deadline. >> we'll use the supobpoenas as necessary. special counsel said he couldn't exonerate the president of obstruction of justice. so barr took it upon himself to do that. that's not the yaub job of the attorneygeneral. >> the president has said he wanted the mueller report to be released. today he was asked about the upcoming report. >> we went through two years of the mueller investigation. after $30 million we're going to start this process again because jerry nadler wants to start it or schiff wants to start it? i' i'll rely on the attorney
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general to make decisions but anything that's given to them is never good enough. you can give them more documents than they've ever seen and it will never be good enough. this is just politics. i hope they take a look at the oranges of the investigation. tlrs beginnings of that investigation. the mueller report i wish covered the oranges, how it started, the beginnings of the investigation, hoait started. it didn't cover that. and for some reason none of that was discussed. >> keep in mind president trump has not seen the mueller report, we believe and the attorney g general does not plan to give a copy. no amount of testimony or document production that can satisfy jerry nadler or shifty
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adam schiff. it is now time to focus exclusive laon properly running our great country and no matter what information is given to the crazed democrats, also no matter what the radical left democrats get, no matter what we give them t will never be enough. and we have a country to run. today the white house press secretary suggested efforts to find out what mueller learned are nothing but partisan politics. >> we know by the actions we've seen from nadler and other democrats in congress is the president is right they're sore losers. at some point they have to decide they're ready to move on like the rest of the country. >> all of this is fuelling doubt over whether trump wants the puler report to be released.
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reporting on the mood follow oing the release of the four-page summary that appears to clear the president. she spoke earlier with our colleague, chris hayes. >> both the president and members of the white house staff have been saying we don't need the full report now. they seem to be striking a different tone. >> lots to it discuss. let's bring in our leadoff panel. washington bureau chief for "the matriarch, barbara bush and the making of an american dynasty." and former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence and ashley, the it pulitzer
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prize winning reporter for the "washington post." let's begin with you and the subpoenas for the mueller report. where does that fit in to the picture of how we're going to learn what's in the report? >> it's unclear, frankly, how much will be forthcoming if he issues the subpoenas. i can tell you the white house thinks from political point of view, they think it's veried a ven tajs for them. because they believe after the barr summary of the mueller report is only four pages, but they believe it is a pol go aft over reach and when any subpoena comes on this topic or other investigations underway for some future bad behavior, they can say look, we were cleared of
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collusion. and therefore this other thing, that other thing that we don't like is also a witch hunt. they think it works in their favor politically. in term oz of what it fields, that's an open question. >> olivia newsy's piece says as excitement waned, cooler heads emerged in the white house about brand new anxieties about president inclined to inflict self harm. there will be plenty of unfavorable things in the full report so let's not go overboard saying there's no wrong doing. so let's move on o. what could be in the report that the president claums exonerates him and that's not what william barr said? >> they don't work for two solid years and dozens of fbi agents and proskurtds dig into crimes
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and come out and say the president pa president's a boy scout. we're going to see, if we're allowed to, some dirt. whether this so-called lack of crumin criminal elements is not there but inappropriate conduct and on the obstruction issue, what we're waiting to see is mueller's intent. is there a footnote that says i believe this is going to congress and we're sooing thes o congress and we're sooing th president assert that. >> and thoz redactions stated four dufrant things. and there's debate about whether or not we shouldn't or won't see grand jury toumestimony and the fourth was other characters that were not otherwise named.
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what do you make of the redactions and what we're going to end up see sng >> i have to start with the fact that if william barr were real ea interested in making as much of this are port public as possible, he himself would have already petitioned the court to release grand jury material. he is the highest law enforcer of the land. if he said it was in public interest and it should be revealed, it's hard to madge an judge would say no. i start there because we'rall rid a etalking about redaction in a context of he would have already taken steps to make it public. and i think that's part of whew you see representative nadler on top of saying i tried.
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i gave you time. i'm not confident. but i think there are legitimate things to be redacted. there are ongoing investigations. anyone who's prosecuting a case is going to want to say there are some things we may legitimately want to it hold back. certainbly if you went through a court process, you could make those recommendations to say what should or should not be and protecting the privacy of witnesses is another legitimate form of redaction. i personally have not seen some of the decisions i would expect from an attorney general that believed it was in the public interes interest to understand what the evidence is or wasn't. >> donald trump made a reference to the fact that jerry nadler is
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going to subpoena to get the mueller report. >> jaury nadler thought the can concept of giving the starr report was something you could never do but when it comes to the mueller report, that would be something he should get. >> congress had everything and the question was how much was going to be made public. congress is going to make that decision. >> so they're both accusing each other of hypocrisy. >> and they're both right. because both approach this from the blase they sit at this moment and not with the clinton investigation. it this report is going to be released and it's going to be because eight of ten americans,
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majority of republicans want to see it. it is a risk to democrats to look like they're concerned, not about doing some other things. that is a risk democrats are going to be willing -- >> because poling has changed since the mueller report has can come out. people are not as interested in congress doing everything it's doing. >> people want congress to things that effect their own lives. and that includes people inclined to believe the president will be exonerated and certainly includes americans skeptical. >> former u.s. attorney for the sugt district of new york was on "deadline white house" today. >> one of the most terrible things for the president in the underlying report is it it
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explicitly says we kpaunrate the president on obstruction of justice. they felt the need refute it and bill barr comes in when i think it was meant for congress. >> it's an interesting topic. anyone can see it did not kpaun trait the president. and the message is that it did. >> he's as fbi director. and there's a reason why that got through to it the attorney general and he felt compelled to include that in his summary. there's going to be tension on that very issue which is why we need to see it this report. every day the attorney general doesn't release this report, he looks more politicized. the tide could go why is he talking so long? isn't there a declassified version he would have handed the
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attorney general? i believe there was. and i think he would have predictably said here's my suggestion on declassification. it's there for you. >> americans have depended on the the fact that we have institutions it that hold firm. the fact is this attorney general who has a storied history in past administration. the fact is he was chosen by the president and he knew the biggest story was how he was going to handle the mueller report. >> well, i think that's already something that's come into question. because even the conversation about recusals before william barr got there had already created this conversation for the american public and the
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president himself -- frankly we've all been astounded by a sitting american president destroying the morale of an independent law enforcement agency of the united states government. it's been a significant issue. the thing about william barr. storied career, history. lots of conversation about his commitment to the institution of justice. at the same time that memo othat he wrote -- >> the unsolicited memo about the mueller investigation >> and the fact that he took what was a shockingly broad view of both executive power, some legal scholars were quite astounded by and quite an over statement. and even unhis four-page summary letter, he adds that not proving
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the underlying crime, in this case the conspiracy is why there can't be obstruction. >> every lawyer i've spoken to has told me that's not true. ib can obstruct a case i have nothing to do with. >> of course you can. it's issues like those that are concrete legal arguments that give us all pause. >> let's bring this full circle. because it's bun a little over a week since we've had news of this report. he's talking of shutting down the southern border. he was discussing the oranges of the report today. he mentioned his father was born in germany. his father was born in new york. >> i think it's two fold.
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fwlrs it actually comes to the report itself, there is a recognition in the white house that no day was going to be better than when barr's summary came out. when 400 pages are released, especially on the obstruction side, there's going to be stuff in there that it the president lukely will not like and could be problematic for him, even if he goes on the offense. and he's most comfortable with an oponnant, a rival. so with the mueller report temporarily out of the way, you've seen him move and flounder with his health care 180 saying republicans are going to own it and oh, wait, they're not going to come up with a plan until after the election on immigration. and maybe not the entire southern border.
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in a weird way i don't think donald trump wanted this cloud hanging over his presidency but he's most comfortable fighting something rather than legislate on some of these policies. >> thank you. coming up tensions erupt on capitol hill over whether to force trump insiders to testify. and latter the president declares the border maxed out. as he continues his prom. some things are out of your control. like bedhead. hmmmm. ♪ rub-a-dub ducky... and then...there's national car rental. at national, i'm in total control. i can just skip the counter and choose any car in the aisle i like. so i can rent fast without getting a hair out of place. heeeeey. hey! ah, control.
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today the house over oocyte committee voted to it subpoena for carl cline. it the former white house personnel security director to testify about his role approving security clearances. tonight we've learned cline has been served the committee subpoena. white house whistleblower told law makers shoo was targeted with retaliation after declining to grant security clearances based on protocols. sat down and asked heir what kind of retaliation she faced. >> the most recent suspension, 14 days unpaid. probably the worst is it the retaliation against my disability.
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so moving the security files out of my reach, not once, twice, three times. and moving other office equipment out of my reach. >> literally putting it out of your reach? >> yes. >> so that's not a euphemism. she has a rare form of dofrism. she also told the can committee 25 security clearance denials were over ruled by the trump administration. she said they were issued for multiple reasons including foreign influence and confluct of interest. and the vote didn't happen without a few fireworks. >> he came forward because the system at the white house is so dysfunctional that she believes congress needs to intervoon. >> first a saturday deposition,
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then yesterday a press release after talking to just one witness where you hand pick a few parts of her testimony and now today we're going to subpoena a guy who said he's willing to come here vaunlitarily. i been on this committee ten years. never seen anything luke this. ib haven't. >> carl cline's attorney released a statement saying the subpoena issued today does not kplachg kline's willingness to appear to answer elegitimate questions truth fall. the facts will prove he acted appropriately at all times. what is left out is his attorney said he will answer general questions to which eliegsau comings said no, we want specific questions. >> we need to know specifics.
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we need know which positions are being filled by those who don't have security clearances. is it top secret? secret and confidential? drug abuse, substance abuse, financial indebtedness, foreign entangleness. when the system works proper la, you get to sit down and work through the issues. you even make referals. and you make your work force a safer, more secure work force. you have a spiraling out of control work force in terms of security. >> it's more serious than letting someone through because you want them to work in the white house. the protocols indicated a
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vulnerability. those vulnerabilities still exist and someone else may know about it. >> that's right. we already know from jared kushner at least four foreign governments were looking forward to found aing ways to exploit his businesses in ord are to gain -- he needed to raise money and donald trump himself. just as a point of comparison. when barack obama was going to be awarded the nobel peace prize, he got an ethics decision. the nobel peace prize. that is the level of attention we would expect a sitting president to pay attention to the rules and making sure you're not crossing a bountdry.
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and when you're talking about national security, that's the most primary boundary any country has. and remember we already knew that russia was actively trying to infiltrate our election system and not just in 2016 but had to do that in the midit terms. and in this contxt a vulnerability. >> so trisha knew of 25 times someone didn't pass muster. she was over ruled. and she's short and they raised the level of her files. but regardless how they treated her because whistleblowers get treated this wthere is a nationl
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security issue. >> hoorz tlr deal. the same factors that go into deciding whether we should have a clearance or not are it the sa same factors foreign intelligence services assess. so we're all looking at that from the counterintelligence perspective and you've got to work through that. the system is broken and needs change. this notion that the white house is a client and they get to ultimately make the call is flaud. we need to give that decision to careered security professionals so it's kept pristine and objective. congress needs to threat cyst -- >> a chinese national made their way into mar-a-lago with computers and paurapparently a b
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drive that may have malware on it. >> i think this falls into the category of not paying attention to the appropriate boundaries, protocols. to proproit tect us. it's that simple. i do want to go back. because this matters. we have laws in this country that protect people from discrimination. er to have it the white house mistreat someone who a can career nonpartisan public servient who cannot reach a shelf that falls directly in the americans with disabilities act is abohorrent that we would have a white house that would behave that way. >> this isn't a ramp that took too long. they moved the shelf.
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. sure, it's going to have a negative impact on the economy. one of the biggest trade deal we've just done. it's a very big trading partner. but to me trading is important, the borders are important but security is what is most important. i have to have security. >> those comments lukely caught the attention of those on capitol hill about the threat to close down the southern border. here's what mitch mcconnell had to say about shutdown. >> we certainly have a crisis at
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the border. the president's right about that. clozing the border would havicnomic and socio impact on our country and i hope we wouldn't be doing that sort of thing. >> and others pleased by delaying a push of obama care until after. the majority leader told the president the senate would not be talking up comprehensive health care reform until after the election. welcome to both of you. thank you for being here. the clozing of the southern border. the are all sorts of people who have said you can't do that. that's president trump misdirecting attention away from things. he did shut down the government and it didn't end up getting him a better deal.
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there seem to be a lot of conservative interest whispering in his here this is not one to joke about. >> not just buyouticide experts by by members of his own party. one of the things i've noticed in following the president on this particular issue is it is literal what he was running on from day one when he launched his presidential campaign and something he's kauried on. he seemed to have left wiggle room as to whether he would do that. he suggested he was happy with some of the actions mexico is taking. and the question that i have is whether or not he continues to talk about it and use it as a rallying cry and what politically that could put republicans in, particularly in
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the house who are campaigning on this issue and quite a few see that as an area where they want to compete and show a contrast with how the president views immigration at the border. >> so there was some sense what the president goes out and speaks to his animated base at rallies about would be different than policy would be. and this does seem to be one of those instances where the president does not have alignment of thought with republicans or other conservatives or most americans on actually shutting down the southern border. maybe we don't have enough of an understanding oof the consequences of that. i assume he does and his advisors have told him that would be disastrous. >> trump issall was going to do what trump wants to do. you're not going to push him into a corner.
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as all of his advisors know not tacontrol him will say. he resists any efforts to push him in a particular direction he doesn't want to go in. i think there's a difference between ran voters and frump voters. by and large will back this president as a matter of tribalism. thaw take on his battles and his scars as their own. and in a situation like this i thunk they're probably not thinking of what the ramifications of the border shut down would be and they think he's being tough. he's honoring his promise. there's a reason trump travels the country ewith signs that say
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promises kept. >> and one of those promises was the appeal of obamacare. he talked about having a eare placement the same day, mobby it the same hour. some of those people who take on donald trump battles as their own. where even trump voters said we can't have a repeal of medicaid and obamacare that doesn't allow people to be insured if thaw have existing conditions. the president seemed to come out this week and throw everyone off guard. >> and a signal that's not something he'll take up. and the thing i found interesting about this and the president started talking about health care again is in 2017 when his party controlled the
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house and senate, they tried to do this and they weren't successful. the are actually divisions among the republicans running for president on how to best address health care. and you've seen other republicans, not trump republicans, come out and say they're socialist. they want a single-payer government-run system. and that seems like a strategy republicans could use depending on who the democrat is, rather than going at this right now. and it's not clear. >> right. wait until the democrats have nominated a candidate. so more than an idea off what the new health care plan will look like. at the moment the president is promising in his second firm what he didn't in his first term. >> and it's something no
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president has been able to do. no entitlement program has been taken away once given by congress. i thunk talts rar fantasy republicans continue to have. there's a reason theyvent been able to do this. you're looking at this in terms of 2020. right now what they have is a message of how radical and leftathist democrats are. that's what the president issall red ea saying and done an effective job of branding of asspektz of their agend taw, tloik new deal, in very negative terms. . >> and right now democrats are
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iconic patriarchs. and remarkably she was given acsis to her private diaries. fromthem we're learning never before shared details including. over whmed by pain and loneliness, she contemplotted suicide. she would pull over until the implsz to flow into a tree or drive ina car would pass. the doctor came in and had a very sweet talk with me as she robbed my arm, she told me the most gastly thing. she told me the next time i go home -- i said doesn't that moon i'm dying. she said yes, it was like being hut in the solar plex. i asked her to keep it a secret.
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the author of the remarkable book. i heard you talk about this and i heard you talk about when you were first given access to her diaries and what you found. it was much more personal. >> the first time i interviewed her eshoo said don't even ask to look at my diaries. and this time she said i've decided to give you access to all my diaries. my words were "are you sure?" which is not what you should say in that sit waugz. but for whatever reason she gave me access to these diaries that started in 1948. >> in remarkable detail. >> and she kept track of who she saw and what she thought about
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them and how she felt and it was an -- it's an extraordinary gift to an historian. >> she was thought of as one of the strongest people around. you write in some ways barbara bush was confident and competent, she had strong opinions and wasn't afraid to express them. that being said she refused to call herself a feminist. >> in one of the interviews we went round and round because i thunk of her as a feminist. she expressed feminist principals but refused to say he was a feminist. and i finally gave up. she said yes, i am. when women who chose to stay home felt they were being ditched by the movement. she felt that way when studen
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signed a petition. in her diaries she makes it it clear. >> and women who did make that choice. she is a testament to the power of doing that. everybody in her family, her husband, sons, it was very clear she was in many ways the boss off that family. >> she was inenforcer. her son told me she was the traffic cop. her husband had this wonderful career, running for office. but shoo was the one at home making sure the trains were on time and got kids to school. building extraordinarily close relationships with her children and later with her grandchildren.
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she did not like donald trump and that went back a long way. she said donald trump was a symbol of the greed of the nan 90s. and she liked him he attacked her son during the 2016 primaries. one of the most surprising things she said to me in these interviews, the last interview i had with her, do you think of yourself as a republican in the age of trump and she said no, i think i don't. >> there were things in here that we thought we knew about barbara bush that we just did not. we lost here in the last year so to be able to have this book out and have you talk to her so close to her passing is remarkable. "the matriarch" by susan page. "the 11th hour" is back after this.
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the last thing before we go tonight is an update of our close allies across the pond. it has been a wild week at the you yahoo nig united kingdom. twelve of them were arrested for the most british sounding crime possible. suspicion of outraging public
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decency. it was the unfolding motion drama of brexit that took an unexpected turn. a seven-hour meeting with her cabinet. theresa may came to the microphone and spoke. she says she's seeking for a further delay of brexit deadline which was triggered when the united kingdom formally informed the e.u. until the deal could be reached. she would sit down with her political opponent, jeremy corben, to find a compromise. >> this debate can't drag on much longer. it is putting everyone else under pressure as it is doing damage to our politics. today i am taking action to break the long jam, i am offering to sit down with the leader opposition and try to agree with plan that we would both stick to to ensure that we leave the european union and we
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do so with a deal. >> think about donald trump turning to nancy pelosi to enact a policy that would enact this country and the rest of world for generation. a partnership between theresa may and jeremy corben threatens to destroyed may's party. >> there is no doubt of tearing the conservatives apart. >> may's announcement that she would work with labor comes after her own member nick boles announced yesterday on the debate that he's an ex-tory.
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>> my party refused to compromise. i regret and that i can no longer sit for this party. >> oh, don't go. come on. >> so tonight the future of the united kingdom and its relationship with the european union remains unknown. that's our broadcast for tonight. you can catch me back here at 1:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. eastern. thank you for being with us and good night from nbc news headquarters in new york. what a weird news day this has been. seriously, we have odd news days now and it happens, we have news days with unexpected of twists and turns and stuff. we rarely get stuff this weird just like over the -- here you go. make of this of what you will

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