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this is the ongoing vu and recognize that the president's lawyer's letter is a vulnerability that you would expect to spark concern, and legal joke to be dismissed as soon as they read it. maybe. apparently it has. that does it for us. the lawyer's letter says rachel will be back monday. requests for tax returns and kpa return information must have a time now for "the last word with legitimate legislative purpose. lawrence o'donnell." >> good evening. chairman neal's letter says thanks for filling in for me as consistent with its authority often as you do. the committee is considering legislative proposals and thank you. we are going to have another tax class tonight now that the president is desperately trying conducting oversight related to tax laws the extent to which the irs audits and enforces the to prevent the irs from handing over his tax returns to the house of representatives. federal tax laws against a in tonight he is class i am president. it is necessary for the going to be the student. committee to determine the scope our first guest tonight is the of any such examination and highest authority that we have whether it includes a review of ever had on this program on underlying business activities required to be reported on the taxation. he is a former chief of staff of individual income tax return, the joint committee on taxation and that is why the dhar man is you don't hear about that much. asking for donald trump's tax the joint committee on taxation returns instead of barack is a congressional committee composed of house members and obama's tax returns. senate members and the staff of donald trump is the only president who has significant the joint committee actually advises the two tax-writing underlying business activities.
the compahairman wants to know committees and their staff, the whether the presidential tax senate finance committee and the returns includes donald trump's house ways and means committee. business tax returns. the staff are by far the leading the president's lawyer's letter experts on taxation in claims that chairman neal is washington and the chief of asking for donald trump's tax staff of that staff on the joint returns because he is a tax committee is simply regarded political pone. the letter does that classically in awe by all members of the bad lawyer thing saying the staff of the tax-writing chairman has no legitimate purpose for requesting the committees. and so i am filled with awe president's tax returns and says even if the ways and means committee has a i legitimate tonight and very excited to have george yin with us tonight. person for requesting the he was actually hired by president's tax returns, that's republicans to run the staff of not the real reason richie neal is doing this. the joint committee on taxation. the letter says that the president's lawyer does not believe the reasons richie neal there is usually, depending gave for demanding the which party is in power, a democratic chairman of that president's tax returns. committee or a republican chairman of that committee. the letter includes this glaring it was always a republican in mistake. it says the president has george yin's time. greater authority than congress but the staff of that committee is always considered to obtain individuals' tax non-partisan. not even bipartisan. returns that. is not true. non-partisan. the president does not have they are completely trusted by authority to obtain individuals' both sides. and george yin has actually tax returns that is more
written the definitive article powerful than the congress'. on the tax-writing committee's it is much more limited than committee chairman's authority legal authority to obtain the to obtain individual tax president's tax returns. and so you are going to hear from the highest authority in returns. richie neal is in his 30th year the land on this issue tonight, of service in the house of and i'm going to be taking representatives. everyone calls him richie like notes. later in this hour we are going to hear from the newest they do in western massachusetts. he is not chairman neal. democratic presidential he is richie neal. candidate in our contenders he was richie neal to me when i series tonight. we will be joined by democratic was working on the staff of the congressman tim ryan of ohio. senate finance policy, he was a member of the ways and means any democrat who can win in ohio committee working on tax policy. is someone the democratic party most of you have never heard his has to pay attention to. voice because his approach to and in the lazy labels of the congressional life has always been about carefully doing the political news media, tim ryan is often referred to as a work and the homework, including moderate. i don't know what moderate means carefully doing the work for his any more because tim ryan is in favor of medicare for all which constituents in western was a short time ago the most massachusetts so he is always re-elected, but never seeking extreme liberal position you the limelight in washington. could take in congress. you may be surprised by some of richie neal has had an open time ryan's positions. invitation to be on this program remember, there are two slots every night since the democrats that have to be filled with the won the house of democratic national convention. representatives, and full president and vice president. disclosure, i think of him as a you need two candidates. friend of mine, and he won't do
and it's never too early to this show because he doesn't start looking for a vice want or need the attention. presidential candidate who can richie neal is the opposite of maybe help the ticket win in a donald trump in every good way that you can be the opposite of very important state like, say, donald trump. tonight donald trump has no idea ohio. what he is up against in richie so you are going to want to hear from mr. ryan of ohio tonight. neal. but i, for one, have no doubt first, donald trump has a new lawyer, and that lawyer is who is going to win. trying to do something that has richie neal is going to get never been done before, and the donald trump's tax returns. reason it's never been done before is that the law is very leading off our discussion now it is an honor to be joined by clear about the case that president trump has hired his george yin, the former chief of new lawyer to handle. and it may be the case that donald trump fears more than any staff of the tax committee. other thing that has happened to a professor at the university of him since he took the oath of virginia law school. office. also joining us democratic the president's new lawyer is a congressman jimmy gomez of private attorney who does not work in the white house. he is not on the government california. a member of the house ways and payroll. he is a private lawyer to stop means committee. also of the oversight committee. house ways and means where this richard neal from legally demand for donald trump's tax obtaining donald trump's tax returns original jated. returns. and we have been discussing, as george, you have read the president's attorney's letter we have been discussing for the last two nights, the chairman of about this. the house ways and means power you have also written the has the power written into law definitive article about this
that allows him to obtain law. tell us, give us your review of anyone's tax returns. the president's lawyer's letter obtaining public official's tax and do you see any merit in it? returns, including the president, is one of the things >> thanks, lawrence. that this law was actually designed to do. a pleasure to be with you. the law allows the chairman of that was an over the top the tax-writing committees in introduction. >> you know, let me stop you. the senate to obtain any tax you know and jimmy gomez knows returns they want to see, and no exactly how us former and one has ever successfully current tax committee staff regard the chief of staff of the blocked them from doing that. ever. joint tax committee. the president's new lawyer >> thanks. >> we always bow. william consovoy wrote a >> thanks. very nice. but i completely agree with you. three-page letter trying to the letter really didn't say block the demand for the trump tax returns. it could have been a much shorter letter if anyone had anything useful. i thought chairman neal's letter ever successfully blocked one of the tax-writing committees from obtaining a tax return. request lays out a couple of if that had happened, the president's lawyer could just reasons that would qualify as cite that case, claim it applies legitimate legislative purposes, here, and be done with it. instead, the president's lawyer and one of the ones that is laid wrote a letter filled with out i think is particularly irrelevant references, political strong, which is to lend argument, and faulty legal oversight over the irs' audit of scholarship. in other words, the president has hired yet another lawyer who the president's returns. literally doesn't know what he is talking about. the president has indicated
but the president is desperate this time because there is nothing the president has worked repeatedly that his returns are harder to hide than thinks tax under audit. the fact is there have been problems with that in the past. the first audit by the irs of returns. nothing. the president is happily living with the public knowledge and president nixon's returns his wife's knowledge of his affair with stormy daniels actually the irs gave president shortly after his third wife nixon a complete clean bill of gave birth to his fifth child. i mean, the president was hoping tax health as a result of that we didn't find out about that, audit, and even sent president but he sure doesn't seem to care nixon a letter complementing him that we did. his tax returns are something on the care with which he had prepared those returns. else. tim o'brien is a frequent guest on this program who has been studying donald trump's on later audits of the same financial affairs for years. returns, one by the non-partisan as a result, of a lawsuit, was staff on the joint committee by allowed to see one year of taxation and one by the irs donald trump's tax returns when he was a "new york times" again, we discovered in fact reporter. today he said this. president nixon owed almost a this is something he is going to fight tooth and nail. it opens a vein. half a million dollars of he is the most financially additional tax in interest. so there is an inherent conflict conflicted president of the modern era, the tax returns are of interest when the irs is emblematic of that and a asked to audit essentially its potential roadmap of what his boss, and it's absolutely the conflicts might look like. responsibility of congress and the ways and means committee to
because, like most people, most of the news media is usually exercise its oversight responsibility to double-check intimidated by lawyers' letters. that those audit, that audit is brace yourselves for days of news coverage in which the being done appropriately or patient's lawyer's letter will whether there is any funny business going on. be taken more seriously than it so i think that the chairman is should be. it takes place among the long very smart in laying out that list of lawyers letters sent on rationale as well as others for behalf of donald trump that have this request. >> let's listen to richie neal. absolutely no legal basis. like the letter another private the audience will get to hear attorney sent on behalf of his voice. he made some comments yesterday about his approach to getting president trump to block the the trump tax returns. publication of michael wolff's >> we followed irs guidelines book fire and "fury" his place which suggest to taxpayers that in the legal hall of fame became six years is generally the secure on january 4th, 2018, measurement that they use for when he wrote this absurdist advising taxpayers on how long letter to michael wolff and his to keep their forms. so we didn't want to have the publisher saying on page 3, mr. case perhaps dismissed on a trump hereby demands that you technical glitch. immediately cease and desist so again i think, as i said to from any further publication, you now for a long period of release or dissemination of the book. time, we've taken a very and of course the book went on methodical approach to what will to be a giant best-seller. likely be an established court
that was kwun lawyer's letter case. >> congressman gomez, talk about that everyone in the media knew it was a joke because it affects the way your chairman has their business. approached this. you have seen it from the they know that the first inside. amendment made that letter a we only knew about it the moment his letter came out saying that joke and helped michael wolff's he was doing this. book sales skyrocket. but you saw him, how he approached this, how he built to it was an 11-page letter about by one of the most expensive lawyers in america and it meant this moment. >> you know, chairman neal is absolutely nothing and everybody one of the most strategic realized that. and there was no follow-up to that letter. methodical individuals in congress, and he knew what was none. going to be before us as a the three-pam letter that the president paid for today must committee and before him. have been much cheaper and even so he was setting up something to make sure that we abided by though it has no legal basis, this one, this one is not a joke the law by statute and made sure every committee member because it is addressed to a understood the statute. this is why he has done it so trump appointee. brent mcintosh, the general slowly. he had a lot of pressure on him to go after the taxes right counsel of the department of treasury. and the letter asks the general away, but he didn't do that counsel of the treasury to tell because he knows that this is too important and the american the treasury saecretary to not people are counting on him. allow the irs commissioner to >> george yin, i want to talk deliver the trump tax returns to about the law that governs this. chairman neil. the irs ise treasury department it uses the phrase the secretary shall furnish the tax returns, is technically under the meaning the secretary of the treasury, and that's simply
jurisdiction of the tresh asecretary. because of the organizational the irs is usually allowed to chart where the irs is operate as completely technically within the treasury independent entity. the letter says the irs should department. historically though these requests have always been handled directly by the irs refrain from die vul jing the information. which brings us to another trump commissioner. isn't that the precedent for it and isn't that why chairman neal appointee. attorney general william barr. and so this becomes another test addressed his letter directly to the irs commissioner? >> yeah, you're right. of what attorney general william the commissioner of the irs has barr is willing to do for donald trump. more direct custodial it becomes a test for donald responsibility over the returns. trump's commissioner of the irs who has no legal basis obviously, people under, directly under him are the ones whatsoever for not turning over who actually have the material those tax returns by wednesday of next week as chairman neal that the harimachairman has req. has demanded. it makes sense to direct the and so all of the donald trump request there. but you're right. appoint the statute does indicate that appointees involved, secretary the secretary of the treasury shall furnish it. ultimately, the response, mnuchin, brend mcintosh, william assuming that there is a response, the response of the barr, irs commissioner charles information request would reddick might be staring at donald trump's lawyer's letter presumably come from secretary right now trying to see if there mnuchin. >> george, let me stay with you is any legal hook they can hold on the implications of the on to as an excuse for not president's lawyer's letter.
he is addressing it to the complying with very of office v treasury department, the counsel at the treasury department. he makes a reference to asking the treasury department to wait until the justice department basically tells them what to do. what's your reaction to that part of it? >> well, i don't really see any fwrounds for that at all. again, the law is very clear, and i thought that chairman neal's request was actually very smart also in that it was quite targeted. so, you know, there is a limited amount of information that's being requested, and i would think that depending on how difficult it is to assemble it, it could be forwarded fairly quickly. i don't really see the need for the justice department interpretation. the law is really pretty straightforward. >> and congressman gomez, the president has always said as a campaigner and he still says you can't see my tax returns because they are being audited. we don't know if that was ever
true when he was a candidate, but it is true that the president's tax returns are routinely automatically audited by the irs, but barack obama as president did two things. he always filed his income tax returns on time before april 15th, and he always released those tax returns publicly upon filing them even though every one of those tax returns was being audited. >> that's correct. you know, trump has avoided releasing his taxes since he started running for president. i think we need to focus on that. why does he not want the american people to see his taxes? and this is something that has been done for 40 years. republicans and democrats alike have released their tax returns. and even while under audit. so there is nothing that prevents him from showing his taxes and putting the american people at ease that he is not under leverage or being
leveraged by an individual or foreign government. >> congressman jimmy gomez, george yin, thank you for joining us. i really appreciate you starting us off. >> thank you. and when we come back, donald trump's presidency is not about governing. it's about the rallies. it's about what sounds good at his rallies, and that is why donald trump is constantly retreating from things he says to his rally audience that he just can't get done or do in government. things like, you know, closing the border with mexico. but appealing to his rally audience also means that donald trump's support has never increased, and that makes him a very weak re-election candidate. and later tonight we will be joined by the newest democratic candidate for president, ohio congressman tim ryan. everyone's got to listen to mom.
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>> announcer: you're watching msnbc. this morning a liar tried to explain a liar. >> has he dialed down the line? >> no, he's very consistent. he is probably consistent over the last 40 years in terms of the way he frames a narrative and a story. he does it because he thinks it's fun. >> so the president of the united states lies because he thinks it's fun according to a liar who has known president trump for a long time and sort of kind of almost worked in the white house for a week or so even though he was never on the white house payroll. the problem for the president is that a majority of americans do not think there is anything fun about him. that's why the president's approval rating seems to be locked at a maximum of 43%. the president was elected with only 46% of the vote. so he is in no position to lose any bit of that support, which he has already done, and also unlike any other president,
donald trump has never once tried to appeal it a voter who has not already voted for him. the way the president has chosen to appeal to the voters he already has is exactly the same way he appealed to them as a candidate. at rallies. this is the rally presidency. the only thing that matters to donald trump is how it sounds at a rally. donald trump doesn't care if he can do the things that he says, like close our southern border with mexico. i have haven't been dofrg that story. i believed it was a rallying cry. that turned out to be true. so many in the media are reporting that donald trump has once again retreated from a trumpian idea, an idea that no other politician would suggest, a crazy idea of shutting down the border, but is it a retreat if he was never going to do it? do his voters think it's a retreat or do his voters want him to sound tough about the
mexican border? is that good enough for them? his voters seem to want him to be tough about the mexican border. but donald trump knows they most of all appreciate him sounding tough. and when donald trump tries to sound tough, he sounds hateful. it's very difficult to compare what donald trump says to what previous presidents have said or presidential candidates have said, and so presidential candidate beto o'rourke has found a very dark comparison to what president trump says. >> i compared the rhetoric that the president has employed to rhetoric that you might have heard during the third reich. calling human beings an infestation is something we might have expected to hear in nazi germany. describing immigrants who have a track record of committing violent crimes at a lower rate than native born americans as rapists and criminals, all people of one religion. what country on the face of the planet does that kind of thing
or in human history or the history of the western world? because they are somehow deficient or violent or a threat to us? putting kids in cages. saying that neo-nazis and klansmen and white supremacists are very fine people. you draw your own conclusions, but this is not something that i expected to hear a president of the united states of america ever saying. >> joining our discussion, the president for the center of american progress, a veteran of the obama administration, she worked on the affordable care act. also rick wilson, a republican strategist. author of the book everything trump touches dies. it's hard to recite rick's book titles without chuckling about them. this is inevitable that candidates are going to be asked about donald trump's rhetoric. beto o'rourke did not shy hiawa from it. for him, the closest comparison is something very dark.
>> in fact, this afternoon donald trump further compared immigrants and people coming across the border as animals. not humans. he said animals. basically making beto o'rourke's point, which is essentially donald trump for years now has tried to adopt and has adopted the language of making immigrants, undocumented immigrants animals, other-izing them. making them people that you don't feel are people. and in my view it's absolutely accurate that fascists do that. i think it's important we call this language out for what it is, which is not the language of democrats or democracies or leaders of the free world. that language of dictators and i think there is going to be a forceful debate within the democratic party about immigration and other issues, but i also think that the democratic party is looking for leaders who are going to take
the fight to donald trump. not cower, but it take the fight to him and say the way he is speaking is really, frankly, not american. >> rick wilson, let's talk about trump voters for a second. i mean, i'm sure i have a smaller sample than i know than you know. the trump voters i know do not believe him. for example, the trump voters i know they never believed mexico would pay for the wall. they weren't sure if there would be a wall. what they cared about, what they believed is no candidate is going to be tougher on southern border than donald trump. and that's what they cared about. and so for them, when donald trump does these things, i'm going to close the border with mexico, and then he doesn't do it, the trump voters i know don't think of that as retreat. they just think of that as another day where donald trump said the toughest thing he could think of about the southern border and that seems to matter to them as much or more than
what he actually does. >> lawrence, i think that's exactly right. they are always about the spectacle of trump. always about the show of trump. this is a reality tv president, a reality tv constituency that supports him. they believe these things that own the libs or cause the media to blow up. they love that effect of donald trump saying something outrageous and stupid and pointless, but they think that that accomplishes something politically for them that no one else could do for them. and it ultimately has a diminishing returns sort of effect over time because we're never going to have mexico pay for the wall. there is not going to be a wall, a fence, anything that trump promises them ever, but they play this game because they think that donald trump is some transgress i have figure. >> he went to the southern border thin california today whe the obama administration had authorized some additional wall
structure, where there already is a lot of fencing/wall reinforcement. so this was a project authorized, paid for by the obama administration. president trump put a trump plaque, president trump plaque on that new piece of construction authorized by the obama administration and claimed to his voters that that's my wall. that thing right there that you can see through. >> i don't know. it looks like a fence to me. not really a concrete wall. 30-foot-high wall. i don't know. my eyes tell me it's a fence, not a wall. but i think rick is absolutely right. look, donald trump is a one-trick pony. whether it's, you know, 2016, 2018 or 2020, he is going to use like xenophobic away peels, anti-immigrant appeals, calling them animals. that is his strength. he thinks -- he is not president of the united states. he is president of his base.
now, the good news is that that is not a majority of the country. a majority of the country thinks that what trump is doing is actually morally indefensible and wrong. but he is counting on exciting his base, getting them enthusiastic, rielg them up. i think it is because they are attacking some other group, it's always a politics of subtraction, never addition for him. and i think that the bottom line of this is he is not growing his base. his tactic is to destroy whoever the democrat is and ensure his base is really strong. >> yeah. rick, i have watched the news media over the two years of this presidency so far talk about what donald trump is doing. so many people in the news media seem to forget what you have to do to get re-elected, and so, i mean, richard nixon, for example, who won the presidency by less than 1% of the vote, on re-election he won 49 states. when ronald reagan was
re-elected, he won 49 states because he spent four years trying to appeal to voters who did not vote for him the first time. >> remember, lawrence, in '84 it was targeted on rural democratic voters. they weren't the republican evangelical base or the economic conservative base. they were spreading the message out. donald trump is always recurseive. it's a smaller, smaller, shrinking base, and at some point you run out of the jokull guys to go, oh, maga. you run out of people who are going to endorse things that are intellectually bankrupt, morally dishonest and trumpian in every respect. at some point you end up with people saying, wait a minute, 38% is not going to get you home that requires you to win 271 votes in this equation.
that's always sort of the dead end of trumpism, is that they are always recurseive, always internal, reducing the number of people that they appeal to. >> thank you for joining us on this friday night edition of the "last word." >> thanks. and when we come back, the field of democratic presidential candidates gets bigger every day, and one of the things that that means is that the new ideas keep coming from the candidates in the campaign almost every day. some of those are among the best ideas i have heard in democratic campaigns in a long time. that's next. 's good to be back. (mom) it sure is. (mom vo) over the years, we trusted it to carry and protect the things that were most important to us. we always knew we had a lot of life ahead of us. (mom) remember this? (mom vo) that's why we chose a car that we knew would be there for us through it all. (male vo) welcome to the all-new 2019 subaru forester.
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>> i can go back just a few weeks where my daughter called me crying from school because her friend was crying to her, her dad just got transferred at the local general motors plant. the kids had to move. my daughter called me and she said, you've got to do something, and i said, i'm going to do something and i'm going to run for president of the united states and we are going to make things happen. >> and that was congressman tim ryan's official announcement that he is a candidate for president of the united states. and joining us in tonight's contenders interview is democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. congressman, thank you very much for joining us on your first msnbc prime time interview. really appreciate it. >> thanks. good to be with you. >> i want to get through as many issues as we can. and the way i frame my questions is what will you do as president. i want to know if you are in the oval office at the that desk, that you will sign, what you will veto, what you will do.
i have a new question for the candidates that i have just started asking because we don't really know at this point what is going to happen it tto the mueller report and whether congress will have a redacted report and never gets their hands on the full unredacted mueller report. as president, if you are the next president of the united states, would you authorize the release of the unredacted mueller report to the relevant congressional committees? >> of course. i think it's important to have transparency. i think we've got to rebuild some credibility and trust with the american people. i most definitely would, with the exception if there was some national security issue or some sources that would be revealed that we wouldn't want to go down that road and put anybody's life in danger or lives in danger. that would be the only exception i would have. but i think it should be transparent. >> and it's april, which is, of course, tax filing time for all of your constituents who are nervously trying to get theirs
filed by april 15th. you voted for hr1 which makes it a law, if it becomes law, that all presidential candidates must release teno years of tax returns. have you released ten years of tax returns or do you plan to do that? >> we have not yet, but i most certainly will. >> and will you be filing -- >> i think that should be a pretty straightforward question for the president of the united states. >> can you give us a timetable? we know april 15 is the deadline for this year's taxes done. >> yeah. i would imagine the next few weeks. i have to get everything in order. we just announced yesterday, and we'll be getting all of these affairs in order. but we will make here sure we g that to the american people. >> do you support higher income tax brackets and higher rates for incomes over $10 million or $20 million, $50 million? those astronomically high incomes that we have never seen
before. >> well, i do. let me put not necessarily a caveat here. i think it's important, lawrence, we have so many broken systems in the united states, the health care system is broke. we spent two and a half times more than any other industrialized country and get the worst you results. our environmental system is broke, allergy blooms in the great lakes. our education system and the rankings there. you know, you look at our food system where half the country has diabetes or pre-diabetes. all of these systems are broke. so while i think we have to get more revenue, and we have a, you know, almost a $1 trillion a year deficit that's coming in the years to come a year, we need more revenue. i think as democrats we have a responsibility to reform the government so that whether we're asking middle class people to pay taxes or the we will think wealthy to pay taxes we are not asking them to put money
2019, and '20 and '21. we got to reform it and we owe it to the tax players. it's not to be more modernized. sure, yes, yes, and, not yes but. i normally don't ask political campaign questions but you're from ohio and i can't resist. ohio is a crucial state on the electoral map. what do you feel you know about appealing to ohio voters which would translate across the electoral map. what is it that ohio teaches democratic politicians about how to win hearts and minds? >> that the entire ball game is about economic security. it is about having dignify jobs. they want retirement security. they want to work hard and not
go home and stare at the ceiling and worry about whether or not their kids will have health care or make the bills this month. that's the reality of it all. and it is important for us to be a big tent party and talk about all of the justice issues that are out there. we have to do both. if we are going to win and rebuild that blue wall, it is going to be around economic security. we have the highest stock market we've ever had. we have the lowest employment. 40% or 50% of the american people can't withstand a $400 or $500 emergency. that's disgraceful in the united states. i am going to change that as president. we'll have a laser light focus on rebuilding the class in the united states. that's how you win. that happens to be how you win. >> i get that. we'll take a break here. when we come back, we'll come back to policy questions. i want to give you the next question right now. what is the best idea that you have heard from one of the other democratic presidential
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we are back with congressman tim ryan from ohio. what's another best idea you heard from democratic candidate. >> i have to admit i like kamala harris's idea. en increasing teacher pay. i do think elizabeth warren's idea of breaking up the monopolies and the agriculture industry. it is the most thing that i would agree with right now. what's happening in rural america is a disgrace. farmers did not make a profit for five years. there are mo nonlies around the
seed. it's samemying our ability to grow healthy food and sequestering carbon. that's a piece of legislation that i will be supportive about. >> one of the ways president trump won your state and others is the way he talked about the coal industry and how he's going to save coal jobs and increase coal jobs. the opposite is happening. in ohio you have big coal fired power plants are a shutting down. and a lot of jobs are being lost. what would you say to workers in the coal industry about their future and your support of a green new deal? >> we are going to make sure that coal miners who worked hard and played by the rules in some dangerous circumstances are going to get their healthcare benefits and they're going to get their pensions. they earned it and they deserved it. as president, i am going to make sure that happens. i am going to make sure that as we grow into the new technologies that are going to
help us sequester carbon and help us move towards renewable and wind and solar and electric vehicles. as we move down that road, we need to have incentives, public private partnership that are using venture capital and driving investments into these communities. old car or old steel or auto where we have been losing jobs the last 30 years. the next generation has to be directed into these areas that have been hurt. and they need to pay with the coal miner and auto workers jobs have paid. we got to make sure we cut the workers on the deal. we can't go back, we'll go forward. the government has a responsibility to push those investments and the communities that have been left behind. >> do they understand the big picture that coal consumption in the united states is declining
and that can only mean one thing for the future of their jobs. >> they know it better than anybody. they have the economic anxiety more than anybody. they have the health issues more than anybody. they understand it very, very intimately but here is the deal. these are the best jobs in town. parents love their kids. when you are making 90 or $100,000. that's the job. we got to go to them for a real plan for resuscitating coal country and hear me lawrence, go to tim ryan for america.com. i need your help and ideas. >> you got it just in time. >> thank you congressman tim ryan of ohio, really appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> tim ryan gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" starts now.
>> tonight is two weeks since robert mueller handed over his report. the battle over are the lease rages on and now the president is mounting a legal fight to keep congress from getting a hold of his tax returns. plus, as he checks out a repair border wall in california, donald trump declares the country full, migrants need to turn around. all after a week of controversy joe biden jokes about hugging as we hull but declares his candidacy for en