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chairman schiff has hired the former chief at the fbi crimes division. we can add a little bit of new reporting on that tonight. intelligence committee staffer tells us tonight that former fbi team investigating the president now, one of six. in addition to that fbi financial crimes schiff's team includes three former assistant u.s. attorneys and a russian speaking investigator. that core team will be supplemented by several other committee staffers who will devote significant portions of their time to the ongoing investigation. six staffers working full-time on the presidential investigation in the house and the intelligence committee into the president's business and finances and conduct. while, of course, the president does everything he can to slow them down. full speed ahead. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." >> i've got a bunch of new questions for eric swalwell, a member of the intelligence
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committee who join us tonight both as a member of the committee and later in the hour as a presidential candidate. we will separate those two things out. >> excellent. the new staffer, new staffing at the committee, i think we are the first people able to report that. i don't know if he knows that's public knowledge. we will just made it so. >> we'll get into it with him. thank you, rachel. we're going to get straight to the news of the day but i want to alert you no you that we're going to end the hour with a very important footnote to the story that begins the hour. we're going to show you video of bobby kennedy asking questions in a congressional hearing when he was a committee staff lawyer which the attorney general is now pretending is unprecedented. the news day began with the attorney general refusing to show up to testify to the house judiciary committee. it's not just the attorney general now who is refusing to testify to the house judiciary committee. now president trump tonight is saying he won't allow anyone who has worked in his administration to testify.
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even if they're no longer working in his administration. that might include robert mueller. nbc news is reporting tonight that the house judiciary committee has now begun discussions directory with robert mueller's team about coming to testify to the committee but nothing has been finalized at this point and no date has been set. the judiciary committee has been seeking robert mueller's testimony through the normal justice department process which requires the permission of the attorney general but that permission might never come now. the president told fox news tonight that he will try to block former white house counsel don mcgahn's testimony to the house judiciary committee. the president said i don't think i can let him, especially him because he was a counsel. the president falsely claimed that he has given investigators total transparency and then he said "it's done." >> so is it done? >> i would say it's done. nobody has ever done what i've done. i've given total transparency.
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it's never happened before like this. >> congress should be. >> they shouldn't be looking anymore. this is all -- it's done. >> the attorney general refused to testify to the house judiciary committee today because of what he called "chairman nadler's insistence on having staff question the attorney general. the attorney general called that unprecedented. as i said later in this hour, we'll show you a video history of committee staff asking questions in hearings including president trump's favorite lawyer roy cohn who actually became a famous lawyer who donald trump wanted to hire because roy cohn was allowed to ask questions in high profile hearings as a staff attorney. there were more calls for attorney general's resignation today and our first guest tonight, congressman eric swalwell has called for his impeachment. he is not the first member of the house to call for the
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attorney general barr to be impeached. it the house banking chairman, henry gonzales, called for the impeachment of attorney general william barr 27 years ago. and william barr's first tour of duty as attorney general for republican president george h.w. bush. william barr has been through all of this before accusations of dishonesty, accusations of being part of a cover-up, calls for his impeachment. the people who urged trump to choose barr knew he would know how to handle it once again. democrats controlled the house and senate in 1992 and were outraged as barr's handling after investigation of the administration which included an investigation of the conduct of the fbi and the justice department. so william barr was actually supervising then an investigation of himself. as i reported on this program recently, "new york times" columnist william sapphire on
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october 19th, 1992, called attorney general william barr the cover-up general because of the way he handled that investigation. william sapphire was a conservative republican columnist in the "new york times" in those days. he had worked as a speechwriter for richard nixon. even william sapphire was astonished by barr's conduct as attorney general. but if bill sapphire was still with us tonight, ed not be surprised to hear what the speaker of the house said today about attorney general william barr. >> it's deadly serious about it. as the attorney general of the united states of america was not telling the truth to the congress of the united states. that's a crime. >> remarkably after the speaker of the house said that's a crime, the next reporter's question changed can the subject but msnbc's kasie hunt knew a history-making comment by a speaker of the house when she heard one and two minutes later kasie hunt went back to the
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crime. >> madam speaker, did the attorney general commit a crime? >> he lied to congress. he lied to congress. and anybody else did that, it would be considered a crime. nobody is above the law, not the president of the united states, and not the attorney general. being the attorney general does not give you a bath to go say whatever you want. and it is the that because you are the attorney general. >> should he go to jail for it. >> there's a process involved here, and as i said, i'll say it again, and the committee will act upon how we will proceed. >> politico reported today in a closed-door session with the democratic members of the house of representatives this morning, speaker pelosi told florida congressman charlie crist we saw barr commit a crime when he answered your question. here is the moment the speaker was talking about.
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>> reports have emerged recently, general, that members of the special counsel's team are frustrated at some level with the limited information included in your march 24th letter that it does not adequately or accurately necessarily portray the report's findings. do you know what they're referencing with that? >> no, i don't. >> no one knew it then but we now know that william barr was in possession of a letter of complaint signed by special counsel robert mueller and according to william barr's guessing yesterday in the senate judiciary committee, that letter was written by the special counsel's team. >> you know, the letter's a bit snitty and i think it was probably written by one of his staff people. >> that was a major blunder in his under oath testimony yesterday. because william barr has been claiming that because
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congressman crist used the phrase the special counsel's team, that didn't mean the special counsel himself. and so he did not have to reveal then that he was in position of possession i've letter of complaint from the special counsel's team as he put it. but you just heard the attorney general say that he believed that that letter wane even written by robert mueller, just signed by robert mueller which means it was the product in the attorney general's mind at that time of the special counsel's team. the white house released a letter to william barr from a white house counsel who is designated to defend the president in investigations. the letter was written the day after the redacted mueller report was publicly released and among other things, the letter stresses that although the president waived executive privilege and allowed white house counsel don mcgahn and other members of his administration to voluntarily
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testify to the special counsel, that waiver of executive privilege does not extend to any other investigation. the president's lawyer's letter says his decision not to the assert privilege is not a waiver of executive privilege for any other material or for any other purpose. his decision to permit disclosure of executive portions of the report does not wave any protections for the special counsel's office underlying investigative materials such as fbi form 302 witness interview summaries and presumptively printed documents made available to the special counsel's office by the white house. his decision does not affect his ability as president to instruct his advisers to decline to appear before congressional committees to answer questions on these same subjects. leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congressman eric swalwell of california, a member of the judiciary committee and the house intelligence committee and he is also a candidate for president. congressman swalwell, i first of all want to get your reaction to
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the attorney general's refusal to testify today. >> good evening, lawrence. i believe it's clear why he didn't want to come in. he has a lot to hide. this attorney general has had the shovels out finishing off the burial of evidence to protect this president. he was allowed to play a home game yesterday essentially in front of a friendly senate with chairman graham, but today he was facing the new majority that the american people had put in place to put this balance of power on these abuses of power. he wasn't willing to come in. he'll stand on process objections but the american people will judge him by whether he showed up or he didn't. when he was supposed to come and talk about what the russians did in our election and who they worked with on the trump team, the trump campaign, the trump businesses he was unwilling to do that. and he's going to be held responsible and accountable for that. >> and so what is next? how is he going to be held responsible? >> well, i'm urging my colleagues to move forward with impeachment proceedings. lawrence, i don't take that lightly.
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i called on him to resign a couple weeks ago. i've long been concerned about his conduct. first, he prejudged the investigation before he even got the job with the letter that he sent to the deputy attorney general. second, when he took the job, he accused falsely the prior administration of spying on the trump campaign. third, the way that he mischaracterized at the press conference the mueller findings that there was no collusion when there was evidence of collusion and also stated that mueller was unable to find obstruction because of different things that mueller laid out but didn't know the that the mueller noted that it was the office of legal counsel finding that you can't indict a president which also stood in the way. finally, lawrence, just in the last two weeks, finding out that he lied to congressman crist and yesterday, he missed the deadline when we asked him about the lawful subpoena to deliver the documents of the mueller report. time after time, he's protected the president, aced as his
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lawyer. only way to stop that is move to impeach and ultimate little remove him. >> isn't congress taking the eye off the ball since the mueller report is about the president? wouldn't it be a sidetrack to go after william barr? >> we have to do all of that. we have to continue to understand what the russians are doing, hold accountable the person who won't give us the information we need. an eighth of the mueller report is redacted. if we're going to hold the president accountable and put reforms in place so the russians can't do this, we need to see the full report. if he's going to be a live realtime obstructer, we have to move to get him out of the way essentially so we can get what we need. again, people talking about well, are you going to impeach the president? is that on table? yes, of course, that's on the table. we're looking at his conduct right now. if he has someone withstanding
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guard and is not following the law and turning over the documents we need, then we're not going to be able to get that. he's effectively allowing the president to get off scot-free. he needs to be held account credible. >> a point rachel raised at the end of her hour. i don't know if you heard that about the new staffing on the intelligence committee that you're a part of it and the way the chairman schiff is adding to the staff of the committee. what can you tell us about that and what does it mean in. >> this is a staff we needed two years ago, lawrence. the republicans in the thick of this investigation right after we found out about the attack would not allow us to add staff or investigators that would look at the money and so we were in a hole for two years. but our committee and your staff worked hard to elevate the issue and the public awareness. now we have these experts on the beat so to speak. we are looking at the financial aspect of this. chairman schiff and i and others suspected that mueller was not able to look at the financial compromise of the president which again calls into question whether you can really charge somebody or not with the conspiracy if you don't understand the financial entanglements. we are can league at those effective tanglements and taking
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an mri to the financial records of the trump family, businesses, and campaign. >> congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. later in the hour we'll do the presidential campaign interview. we're joined by chuck rosenburg, a former senior official at the fbi and former u.s. attorney. he was counsel to robert mueller at the fbi, an msnbc legal analyst. when i read this letter today from the white house counsel to the attorney general, i just wanted you on the phone immediately. so they're saying that even though there was a waiver of executive privilege to allow all these white house staff people to freely discuss whatever the special prosecutor asked about, that waiver doesn't extend to any congressional committee, doesn't extend anywhere else at all? >> mr. flood emmet flood, counsel to the president who
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wrote the letter, makes a pretty nuanced and difficult argument. he said the president decided not to assert the privilege but that failure to assert or the decision not to assert the privilege is not the same as waiving the privilege. so it's not a crazy argument. it's not frivolous, but i don't think it prevails. the better argument i think you'll hear it from the other side is that if you waive as to one, you waive as to all. but here's the problem. in order to get to that answer, it's going to have to be lit guyed and you know better. >> what's the timetable?? obviously what happens is, they subpoena don mcgahn and the president says no executive privilege. and then that goes to court. that subpoena in effect goes to court. how long does that take to work it out. >> it goes to a federal district court. and whoever loses there will inevitably appeal to the court of appeals. and someone will lose there, and
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they might take the appeal to the supreme court which may or may not hear it. >> three months between each stage or possibly more? >> possibly more. it could be 12 plus months. that's part of the strategy, right? so you don't have to advance a winning argument. you just have to advance an argument credible enough to prolong the process. >> and litigation is something donald trump has always used as a tactic without necessarily believing he could even win. >> 100% right. we saw that time and time again when it was business man donald trump in manhattan. and there often you had somebody on the other side who couldn't afford to wage that legal battle. that won't happen here. both sides will be able to mount their arguments in court. but nevertheless, if you're just trying to run out the clock, this is a way to do it. >> your reaction to the attorney general refusing to show up at the house judiciary committee today. >> we need toe hear from our attorney general. we also need to hear the truth from our attorney general and that appears to be two different things. but i was disappointed. the department of justice has a critical role in this society. the attorney general whether you
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like him or not at its helm and he should be there to answer questions in the people's house. that's part of his job. i imagine he will get there one way or the other. they may not like one another but he has to sit in that chair and answer questions. >> he has to by tradition. >> correct. >> but the tradition does not seem to hold with president trump or with this attorney general now. >> right, the congress has a few cards to play, for instance, purse strings. they are the appropriators. there are things that a department of justice needs from a congress and so one way or another, he's going to have to go there and answer their questions eventually. >> but they are two different economies. we already saw him testify to the appropriations committee and that's a very different experience than testifying to the judiciary committee. >> that's right. i still predict he will show up there eventually. i'm just sorry he wasn't there today because these are important questions just like the litigation which would delay the questions to which we need
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answers, you want answers now. and you need the attorney general there now. these are too important to put off. >> and quickly robert mueller's testimony, are we -- are they going to be able to block that? >> so an interesting question. if it's bob mueller private citizen, of course he can go testify. however, there are still limitations on it. he can't talk about grand jury information, he can't talk about classified information. he can't talking about ongoing matters. so once he's a private citizen, he's welcome to go but he's still not welcome to talk about things that are otherwise restricted. >> chuck rosenburg, thank you very much for joining us tonight. appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> when we come back, president trump might be just as worried about losing re-election as he is about losing legal bats because if he loses, he has a lot of free time to deal with things like, oh, you know, indictments. i can't believe it.
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and if that happens, donald trump will have a lot of free time to deal with things like being indicted. three weeks ago at this hour, i reminded you that donald trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in the southern district of new york with michael cohen who pleaded guilty to federal election crimes that he said he committed with donald trump and at donald trump's direction. and that they committed those crimes together to win the presidential campaign and what the prosecutors called a conspiracy against the united states of america. and that all of that is still sitting in the southern district of new york waiting for donald trump after the next inauguration day. that's the point i made then. and now a former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york is saying the same thing in a smarter way. in an interview with the daily beast, preet bharara said my former office clearly endorses and believes the fact as michael cohen admitted in open court that he engaged in the conduct he pleaded guilty to at the
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direction of individual one, individual one is the president depending on what the other circumstances are, i believe there's a reasonable likelihood that they would follow through on that. the man who thinks he's the smartest staff person in the trump white house proved once again today that there is no good way of defending donald trump. emmet flood, the white house counsel who is assigned to defending the president and every investigation is the author of a letter that was released by the white house today presumably because emmet flood and the white house think it is very helpful to the president. it is a letter as we mentioned to attorney general william barr written the day after the redacted mueller report was released. it is a letter of complaint about robert mueller and the mueller report. it's biggest complaint, biggest complaint is that robert mueller in the report says that the special counsel could not exonerate the president in its
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investigation of obstruction of justice by the president. and the president's lawyer does not insist that the special counsel could exonerate the president. you would think that's what his complaint is, why didn't he exonerate the president. the president's lawyer actually says that it is impossible to exonerate the president, emmet flood's letter says the special counsel's office concluded that the evidence prevented from conclusively that no criminal conduct occurred but that was not the special counsel's office assigned task. because making conclusive determinations of innocence is it never the task of the federal prosecutor. prosecutors simply are not in the business of establishing innocence. and so the president's own lawyer took the position in that letter that the mueller report did not establish the president's innocence on anything. so when donald trump stands up in the presidential campaign and says he was exonerated the democrats can wave the president's lawyer's letter saying that he wasn't. joining our discuss, neera
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tanden, president of the center for american progress and jason johnson, politics editor at the and morgan state university. neera, begin where you want to because there's so much going on here. >> i mean, my take on the letter is that emmet flood probably presumed because there's so many big words in the letter donald trump was never going to read it. >> of course he did. he doesn't know that. >> he thought maybe he would get by on that. you've seen, this is the latest example of the ways in which the administration has essentially argued themselves into a bag. you saw throughout the attorney general's testimony yesterday how he couldn't even articulate clearly without some prompting that if. the russians come and or another country comes and tries to sway the election, actually as a candidate, you might want to let the fbi know. the attorney general confident
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united states has to go through mental gym mastics on an issue like that, which tells you how you know, kafkaesque this debate is. and we should recognize that we have a president who is continually working to obstruct any investigation, and generally speaking when you're trying to obstruct investigations it shows that you're guilty, no the that you're innocent. that's the bottom line for most americans. >> jason, what i was struck by it's a legal letter. the legal point it wants to make is we are not extending the waiver of executive privilege beyond the mueller investigation. that's the legal point. it's a political letter. this was written to help the president politically, help the president's re-election campaign and in the part where he's trying to help the most by attacking the mueller report, he is actually saying you could never problem donald trump donald trump innocent of anything. >> yeah, it's funny. it's like he an used him of being a liar and a thief and a murderer, he is not a liar is essentially what they're saying.
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it's hard to keep track of all these lies. these are individuals who worked in dc, worked as lobbyists for years and may be used to sort of fudging the truth but the level of mendacity you have to engage in to work with this guy is beyond them. i'm impressed they're still incapable of lying the way they want to lie. they'll get better but this letter is an example of even someone using the spiciest of word salads can't justify his boss keeping his job. >> you have kamala harris finding the attorney general didn't look at the underlying evidence. as americans we expect prosecutors to look at the basic evidence behind a case. the fact he's unable to do that because his job was not to find what to do here, his job was to protect the president. the president basically put his own lawyer in charge of this investigation. >> jason, these one-on-one polls are interesting. they're early, we grant that. there's a consistent pattern you see in the polls and they will
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line up and they make intuitive sense with a president who has always had significant majority disapproval that he would be running behind any reasonable sounding candidates. >> so that's the issue. reasonable. right? they all sound reasonable now. will they sound reasonable at this point next year? i was looking at polls around may of 2011. right? right before obama was up for re-election. trump was ahead even though he hadn't announced in some polls at that point. we can't always trust what these polls are saying now. trump has the weakest fundamentals of any president in history for re-election. it you lost a popular vote by 3 million, you approval always blows 50% and every swing state you won swung back blue hard during your first midterm. he's starting from a deficit. he doesn't just have a headwind. he's climbing over rocks and mountains to get there. i don't know if that means that the democrat can pull it off. but donald trump is not in a
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very strong position. i objectively think any of the top four or five democrats running right now, if they're smart, if they pick the right kind of vp could probably pull off victory assuming trump and this administration don't cheat. >> i think the one way he is planning to win, i would agree that the fundamentals are definitely against him and that he is -- he's as many have said, he's a president of his base, not the president of the country. he's done nothing to reach out to the middle or the 51% of the country so far. it's consistently has 50% or 55 or 5 against him. it's a little unusual politics. i think his plan is to destroy the democratic nominee. he will play psychological warfare in the primaries. democrats have to be mindful of who the candidate he wants is, who can he go after. that's the only thing i would add to that. >> here's the thing about that. first off, this guy's got terrible political instincts. i don't think trust anything he has to say. he lost the popular vote before.
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this idea we have to be careful how he destroys people, donald trump this sort of high school game he plays of coming up with nicknames only works for his base. i don't think if necessarily has much of a pervasive impact. i wouldn't trust -- it's liking if you ask an athlete which team do you want to face, they're never going to tell you the truth. do you really want to face the lakers or gold be state? i don't think trump knows. he knows who he's paying attention to right now. the people he dismisses like beto o'rourke, he could be very dangerous. >> does very well in this poll. >> neera you worked in presidential campaigns. here's the way i've been watching the trump re-election campaign and presidential re-election campaigns are supposed to begin on election night when you win. your victory speech is supposed to be at least partially directed at the people who didn't vote for you. >> that is usually the case. >> in my watching of the trump
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re-election campaign i have never once seen him try to reach a voter who did not already vote for him and so the way i look at the trump campaign is what did he do to convince a voter to change their mind and vote for donald trump today and i've never seen that day happen. >> that day has never happened. i do think he tries to use fear to scare people. i think the caravan was trying to scare people. maybe women in the suburbs, who knows. it didn't work. that's the issue. he lost historically in the midterms. 9 million more people voted for democrats than for him. what is he doing day to day to get some of those people back? nothing. i mean very little. his whole strategy is to just bring more people out from the base. and i think that's a shaky an category because here's the thing. he's no longer the change agent. he's the incumbent. he can't promise new change in washington. he has to go on what he's done. so far he's only passed one major bill and it was a tax cut that basically no one in america
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feels except for the top 1%. not his base. >> and now he's fighting in court to take health care away from 21 million people. >> which is not going to be popular. >> i don't see that helping the campaign. >> no, no. here's a particularly scary part. all of these bad poll numbers losing in the midterms that's with a good economy. what happens if this slows down? if there's a snowball's chance in jamaica he can pull this off if the economy slows down. one other thing, we've talked about this before. who would be the most effective at beating him in the most effective person for the democrats to beat donald trump is the person who gets the most people enthusiastic. you can't line this up one-on-one. there's no measure. it's got to be the candidate that gets the most people enthusiastic. the greatest danger in trump getting re-elected is not because people fail to turn out to vote but they fail to believe the challenger is going to change and undo the things he's done. >> neera tanden, jason johnson, really appreciate it. coming up later in the hour, new
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joe biden leads the president in the one-on-one polling with 51% to 45%. senator bernie sanders polled at 50% to trump's 44%. senator kamala harris polled ahead of donald trump at 49 to 45%. pete buttigieg polled at 47% and elizabeth warren pulled within with one point which is a steak cal tie within the margin of error. at this point in 2007 in the campaign for the democratic presidential nomination, joe biden was polling at only 3%. against hillary clinton, barack obama and john edwards and in the end, joe biden came in second. there is a second place in presidential campaigns. it's called vice president of the united states. and almost all of the candidates running are solid possibilities for the vice presidential nomination. it's never too early to start thinking about who you would
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joining us now one of the 21 candidates for the democratic presidential nomination, congressman eric swalwell. thank you very much for staying with us for this campaign discussion. i want to start with a question that some of the candidates, some of the men running have been asked and it's that question of would you choose a woman as your vice presidential running mate. i'm going to can you a different question, would you happily accept the nomination to run in the vice presidential slot with a woman at the top of the ticket? >> of course. i'll do anything to serve my country, lawrence. >> and i want to go to issues that aren't being discussed very much these days and using your experience on the intelligence committee. what do you see as the biggest threat in the world that the united states faces now? >> lawrence, see the biggest threat being on intelligence committee meeting with foreign leaders taking the classified
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briefings and going to the war zones is that we have lost our friends in the world and that's costing us more here at home. you know, i'm a parent of two kids under 20. i look at everything in a parental metaphor. if you look at our foreign policy the way a parent would look at their kid on the playground, in the last couple of years your child has gone from hanging out with the honor roll kids the british and french and australians to now we roll with the detention crew. it's not just bad company in the russians and north koreans. it's going to cost cuss more when you pull out of nuclear treaties, when you can't count on nato and the south koreans and japanese and threatening to charge them for more our presence. that is the biggest threat. we're not able to count on friends. the cost will be fewer tablets in the hands of our kids in their classrooms and more expensive prescription drugs for seniors because we'll have to spend more on defense. >> you began the announcement of
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your campaign focusing on the threat of gun violence. what do you think you can realistically achieve legislatively on that if you're in the presidency? >> i'm offering boldness on this issue. in the first 100 days, i will ask the congress to pass not only background checks because 90% of americans and 72% of nra members want that, but also to ban and buy back the 15 million assault weapons just like the one used in poway last weekend and used in other church shootings and other school shootings. i've come to see this issue is actually not as divisive as we're told it's supposed to be. we're always told it's a hat stove. that's a tactic the nra uses so we do nothing. i'm motivated by moms, and students and parents and beat 17nra endorsed members of congress. we're just getting started. >> medicare for all? >> medicare for anyone who wants it.
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my plan is coverage for all which would include a public option, but also would invest in cures in our lifetime. i want to challenge the country to seek and find cures through investments in genome mick research targeted therapies as well as data sharing so we can look at als and parkinson's and cancer patients and assure them we're putting it the next generation of scientists to bring down the cost, extends the quality of life and have a massive jobs program. >> let me explore in. medicare for anyone who wants it meaning they can buy into it? >> public option. if you like your union plan, you can keep your union plan but the government will have a greater responsibility by bringing back the inheritance tax, reforming the capital gains tax, making sure the wealthy pay their fair share. those dollars will go into an afford many government plan. >> what about the green new deal? >> i support it. we have 1 years to address the devastating effects of climate
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change. the first thing i'll do is host in the united states a new climate accord, show leadership there, get us back into that agreement. but also assure that union worker who is a pipefitter or laborer that you don't have the false choice of deciding between your job and clean air and clean water because we will make sure we employ carbon recapture and reuse technologies to your job site. you can keep working because we'll bring them to carbon neutral and have a skills bridge in wind, solar and alternate fuel cells. i want to bring boldness where we've seen gridlock. >> how important do you think the issue of experience is for a candidate for president, you're running against possibly the most experienced candidate for president ever in vice president biden with a very long senate career and then eight years in the vice presidency, bernie sanders, very long congressional and senate career. how do you compare your experience to theirs? >> i've been on the intelligence committee and defended threats
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from abroad and the russian interference attacks. people have seen where i stood in the ring and defending the rule of law here at home on the judiciary committee and sen years as a prosecutor in my hometown city councilman. i have some of the highest national security policy experience aside from joe biden in this field. i also believe that not being in congress for a lifetime, not being in washington fur a lifetime also brings a perspective that will bring new energy and ideas and a sunny optimism we can still solve these big problems. >> presidential candidate eric swalwell, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> there are a lot more issues to talk about. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you. when we come back, how the most famous freshman member of congress in history prepared for her campaign debate back when nobody really knew her outside of her congressional district. that's next. ♪
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last year the then virtually unknown 28-year-old congressional candidate alexandria ocasio-cortez seemed to be doing everything right in her congressional campaign, including the televised debate on local tv in new york city. >> for over 20 years the interests of working families have been sold off to luxury real estate developers, wall street banks and for-profit health care corporations, and
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for 20 years our rents have been going up, health care's been getting more expensive and our incomes are staying the same. not all democrats are the same. in a district that is overwhelmingly working class, we deserve a middle class champion. >> that was the scene from the new netflix documentary "knock down the house" that became available on netflix yesterday and is on my list for viewing this weekend. here is a scene of the candidate at home preparing for that debate which involved more than just studying talking points. >> i can do this. >> i know you can. >> i am experienced enough to do this. i am knowledgeable enough to do
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this. i am prepared enough to do this. i am mature enough to do this. i am brave enough to do this. and this whole thing, this whole time he's going to tell me i can't do this. he's going to tell me i'm small, that i'll little, that i'm young, that i'm inexperienced. >> she really did push all of that away. after this final commercial break we will take you on a quick video tour through the history of congressional hearings starring staff lawyers asking the questions in those hearings, something that the attorney general is now pretending is unprecedented. that's next. i can't tell you who i am or what i witnessed,
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as we reported earlier, the attorney general of the united states refused to appear at a house judiciary committee hearing this morning because he objected to "chairman nadler's insistence on having staff question the attorney general." the attorney general said that is "unprecedented." in fact, there is a long history of committee staff, especially committee counsel doing most of the questioning in both senate hearings and house hearings, and that is one of the very few pieces of congressional history that donald trump actually knows because donald trump's first
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lawyer was roy cohn who became famous in congressional hearings. roy cohn was never elected to anything, roy cohn was a counsel to a committee and he got to ask questions in early days of televised hearings in the 1950s. that is how donald trump knew who roy cohn was. that is why donald trump and everyone else who hired roy cohn wanted roy cohn, they saw him on tv in those hearings. here is a brief video history of some of the people who became big congressional hearing room tv stars by doing what the attorney general of the united states now says is unprecedented. beginning with bobby kennedy in the 1950s, back when he was a committee staff lawyer. >> during the period of the operation of this committee, we've had some testimony regarding an individual by the name of mr. glenn smith. >> you were employed on january 21st, 1969, and continue to be
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employed until march 14 of this year, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> mr. butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices. yes, sir. >> as soon as the president used his telephone, lifted up his telephone and engaged in a conversation or received a conversation on the president's phone, the recording device began to record the telephone conversation. >> that's my understanding, mr. dash. >> i can think of no one better equipped to question the witnesses than rachel mitchell. >> i know this is stressful, and so i would like to set forth some guidelines that maybe will alleviate that a little bit. >> i understand that a professional prosecutor has been hired to ask me questions, and i'm committed to doing my very best to answer them.
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i have never been questioned by a prosecutor and i will do my best. >> senator chuck grassley and the rest of the republicans in the senate and the house don't remember any of that. tonight, president trump declares the investigation into his campaign, his election and presidency is done. he says he won't let his former lawyer don mcgahn testify while his white house tries to be seen as taking a victory lap. the democrats on the other hand make an awkward show of the attorney general's no-show before their committee today. it featured a chicken theme and an empty chair while their speaker was all business, accusing bill barr of committing a crime, lying to congress. and tonight we've learned those house democrats may be dealing with robert mueller directly to schedule his testimony. all of it as "the 11th hour" gets under way on a thursday night.