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it, the pervasiveness of the president's activities today and as we said, the bluntness with which he proceeded, the directive nature of it makes this in my judgment certainly an easier case to prove, i'll put it that way. >> paul rosenzweig, thank you for joining us. he gets tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. tonight, the president asserts executive privilege. house judiciary votes to hold the attorney general in contempt and chairman jerry nadler warns ominously we are now in a constitutional crisis. plus, senate intel led by a republican subpoenas that donald trump junior over testimony he gave back in 2017 but will he show up? and all the president tries to stay on script in florida tonight at a campaign rally. "the 11th hour" on a wednesday night starts right now.
good evening, once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. i'm steve kornacki in for brian williams. day 839 of the trump administration and the president just wrapped up a rally in the florida panhandle. this following a day of stunning headlines back in washington. the house judiciary committee voted to hold attorney general william barr in contempt of congress. president trump invoked executive privilege to shield the full unredacted mueller report from the judiciary committee. the house intelligence committee issued a subpoena to the justice department for the full mueller report including counter intelligence and the republican led senate intelligence committee subpoenaed donald trump trump juror to testify about his knowledge of the trump tower moscow project. we're going to get to all of it but first, it was a party line vote, 24-16 the final margin in the house judiciary committee
earlier today to advance a measure that would hold attorney general barr in contempt of congress for failing to compile with a say pubpoena to hand ovee unredacted mueller report. that contempt resolution that passed the committee heads to the full house for a potential vote. it is not clear, though, when that might be. this marks a major escalation, it's a fight that now seems all but certain to land in court. after today's vote the chairman of the house judiciary committee jerry nadler of new york claimed that the country is now in a constitutional crisis. >> we today did referred a contempt citation to the house floor. the house will have to vote that contempt citation to begin the court battle. there can be no higher stakes than this attempt to arrogate
all power to the executive branch away from congress and more important away from the american people. we've talked for a long time about approaching a constitutional crisis. we are now in it. we are now in a constitutional crisis. >> earlier today, an event with "the washington post", the house speaker nancy pelosi was asked by the post robert costa if barr should be held in contempt. >> yes, i think the attorney general should be held in contempt. this contempt is about the with ho withholding of the mueller report in an unredacted way. the accommodations that the committee has tried to make whether it's about sources and methods longer on intelligence than anybody in the history of the congress i appreciate protecting sources and methods, some law enforcement concerns, that's not a reason to give us the report. it's an excuse not to give us a
report. >> the doj released a statement today that reads in part quote, regrettably chairman nadler's actions have prematurely terminated the accommodation process and forced the president to assert executive privilege to preserve the status quo. no one including chairman nadler and his committee will force the department of justice to break the law. the president invoked executive privilege over the full mueller report hours before the vote today. "the washington post" points out quote the white house's use of the rare presidential secrecy stood in strark cark contrast tp and his allies total exoneration from the president from the mueller report. democrats argue if trump really had nothing to hide, he and beforebarr wouldn't block so many investigations. in the associated press reports quote though the white house initially hesitated on invoking privilege, trump told his staff and political advisors in recent
weeks to refuse to cooperate with democrats believing the golfs to damage him politically into the reelection campaign. the battle could stretch to 2020 and the white house could tie up congressional probes until election day. earlier tonight at a rally in florida, president trump spoke about democrats and the attorney general. >> after two years, nothing. no collusion. and now the democrats, we have a great attorney general, now the democrats are saying we want more. it was going to be we want the mueller report. now they say mueller report? no, we want to start all over again. it is a disgrace. >> and meanwhile, as we mentioned, donald trump junior has now been subpoenaed by the republican led senate intelligence committee. our own ken reports the committee wants trump junior to answer about his knowledge about
building a trump tower in moscow. trump junior testified before the judiciary committee in september 2017. he said he was only peripher pey aware. political for "the washington post" and moderator of "washington week" and anita kumar. thanks to all of you. robert costa, you spent time with the speaker of the house. we played a clip of that. let me begin with you on a question what is next for house democrats, this contempt measure passes the house judiciary committee and awaits a vote in the house. it sounds like nancy pelosi is on board. will this be soon? >> it should be soon based on my conversation with speaker pelosi.
she is willing to bring it to the floor but as much as the speaker is raising serious concerns about the white house's relationship with congress and the refusal to deal with certain requests from capitol hill, she also respects the process and she wants her committee chairs like jerry nadler of new york and adam schiff on the intelligence committee from california to be leading the process. so it is a process that's playing out. she's trying to stave off a lot of impeachment talk for the moment saying that all the issues around impeachment are very valid but she thinks they should play out at the committee level and come to the floor. >> to stay with you one more second there, related to this, that the an interesting question if pelosi is trying to stave off any impeachment drive among the rank and file, you have the chairman today not just advancing a contempt measure but jerry nadler saying folks, a constitutional crisis, does that kind of language increase the
pressure in the democratic ranks and pelosi to do something more dramatic than to put the contempt citation on the floor and move to impeachment? >> if you listen to speaker pelo pelosi's language, it's as dramatic as from chairman nadler. he was speaking in historical terms and referenced the civil war. she said democracy was at stake. the role of congress being a co-equal branch was at stake in this current discussion in debate. in terms of having the urgency, she is signaling to her party, she shares the urgency but knows as the leader of her party in conversation with her, she under scored this repeatedly these fights are not just going to be prompted and adjudicated by impeachment but becomes a contempt resolution and could be thrown to the courts. some fights could go to the supreme court to compel people to testify and share documents so she sees the arsenal of congress before her impeach
sometime one of those weapons to try to compel testimony and documents. she's leaving it on the table, not taking it off but not rushing to grab it. >> peter, in terms of the strategy from the white house. the word is out there that this is the idea of a delay game, sort of being employed to stretch the clock, run the clock, not hand anything over, kick this to the courts, have these protracted legal battles. do you have a sense that is primarily what is driving the white house here? just essentially a stone walling strategy or is this a white house that wants to provoke a bigger stair off with congress that could lead to impeachment? are they actively trying to bring impeachment on? >> that's a great question. there is a lot of talk about this delay. i talked to people around the president and they say no, this is calling the democrats bluff as they see it. in other words, put up or shut up. impeach him or don't. if you don't, move on. they are trying to force
democrats into a box. the democrats as you've talked about don't want to be yet seen as opening an impeachment inquiry even though they are basically opening an impeachment inquiry but taking action you would take if you're going to conduct such an inquiry. that gets at the complicated politics of the democrats now. just three weeks ago. hoyer who is the house majority leader just below speaker pelosi said impeachment is not worthwhile at this point and today he said if the facts lead us to that objective, so be it. there is a real problem within the democratic party what to do here and the president, his strategy is intended to provoke them, defy them and say look, if you're going to do it, let's get on with the battle right here now. >> anita, meanwhile, on this issue we mentioned it to the republican-led senate intelligence committee today issuing a subpoena for -- apparently issued a week ago but coming to light today for donald
trump junior to testify. the significance this is a republican-led committee the day after mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate said case closed on trump and muelle mueller. >> yeah, i think this is a really significant step. one you just he thinmentioned. this is the chairman of the committee richard burr of north carolina coming a day after mitch mcconnell saying let's wrap things up. this isn't the mueller report. this is their own senate investigation but the president and white house would like to feel republicans are on their side. this is are a committee chairman going on with his committee. this is the first of the trump children to be subpoenaed. obviously, we've seen some other jerry cu jared kushner, the son-in-law, others come to the committee. this is the first subpoena. people outside the white house
like donald trump junior don't have some of the same protections in the white house. this puts them at a, you know, in a mind, really. we don't really know what donald trump junior will do. we hear he may not come forward for the -- you know, to testify. we're not sure what he's going to do. for the president, this is hitting home and is a personal thing when his children are getting involved. we can contrast the urgent tone jerry nadler was having, what robert is describing nancy pelosi saying in her sitdown with him toda we can contrast t tone jerry nadler was having, what robert is describing nancy pelosi saying in her sitdown with him today, chris christie at an event moderated by stephanie ruhle looked at this contempt move against the attorney general and invokes the case of eric holder, the previous attorney general and said we've been here before.
take a listen to what chris christie said. >> well, let not get breathless about this. eric holder was held in contempt of congress over fast and furious and what happened from that? absolutely nothing because the prosecution for contempt of congress is then referred to the justice department and eric holder said i would prefer not to be prosecuted. that the the end of t that's the end of that. no u.s. attorney would prosecute. this is not unprecedented. in fact, it not unprecedented in the last decade. >> peter, people can make of that comparison what they want between holder then and barr now but the point christie makes there, a point he makes is how long that process took when congress held holder in contempt. that vote was held in 2012. i believe there was still a court proceeding. it might have been today in fact on that. so seven years later that is still being adjudicated. >> yeah, question then of course was this screwed up gun program
fast and furious important, significant, big issue, not the central kind of, you know, matter we're talking about here, the very fate of the presidency, right? in this kind of instance, i think the significance of it takes on a greater magnitude and presumably would impel the courts to act in a more urgent way. that's what happened in 1998 when president clinton asserted attorn attorney client privilege to forstall the ken starr investigation and they moved quickly in that matter to settle those issues. we don't have a criminal investigation in this case and we don't have an impeachment so the courts might not feel quite the same. that gets back to this question if you call impeachment or not. if you did, that would give it great eric knickse eer reck nao
>> is there a point where the discussions among democrats, the d deliberations collide with the practical political calendar of the presidential election campaign where it becomes academic and there is not time to go forward with impeachment? is there a sense when on the calendar that might be? >> there is not a sense about the calendar because this is not a congress as much as it -- some wings of the democratic party want it to be entirely oversight, it's clear from my conversation this is also a democratic house that wants to see if they can make progress on prescription drug legislation, infrastructure, trade legislation. they have a full spectrum of issues in divided government as well as the oversight authority congress always has to play and speaker pelosi and democrats are determined to follow through on. there are challenges if they put all of their priority and focus purely on oversight, then they
fear they could be burdened by this politically and playing into the republicans' hands ahead of 2020. that the why speaker pelosi keeps coming back to the committee process and letting it play out on those terms. >> anita, watching the president down in the rally in florida, he did make some reference to all of these events, all this drama in washington but the heart of the speech was not about this. he talked about the idea of infrastructu infrastructure, some policy areas. is there a plan on the white house's part? is there a plan to try to shift the discussion toward any policy goals in a specific way? >> well, just like the democrats, the republicans and president trump need to show that they are doing something. that they are trying to lower prescription drugs and trying to have infrastructure changes. they need to talk about those policies, too. to be clear, the president is going to be campaigning on this. he's going to be campaigning on
this was a witch hunt. this was a two-year investigation that i was exonerated, you know. i was right and these people are trying to get me. so i think you'll see both of those things when you talk to people that are close to you, the president close to the campaign, they would very much like him to stick to the economy, it's doing very well. remember the jobs reports from last week, if he could stick to that, they feel very confident he could do well. it president trump, he's not going to do that. he's going to talk about a variety of things. you'll see policy and also see him saying look, they were trying to get me, they have tried and i was victorious. i'm a fighter and i was successful. >> all right. anita, robert costa, peter baker, thanks to all of you. coming up, it is getting personal more on that subpoena for the president's son handed over by a republican-led committee. will don junior show up? and later, speaker pelosi says impeachment should be rooted in
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intelligence committee. it a committee led by a republican, senator richard burr of north carolina. this is the first known subpoena for a known family. the committee wants trump junior to quote answer questions to his contention that he had only limited knowledge to build a trump tower in september 2017, he told the senate judiciary committee he aware of it and he briefed them some ten times. the president's son tried to play down his role in that venture. >> that ultimately was michael cohen trying to get a deal done. didn't bring too many to the table. i don't think anyone took it that seriously. that the the reality of what went on. >> trump junior did testify before the senate intelligence committee in late 2017.
that panel has investigated the 2016 trump tower meeting with several russians set up with a promise to deliver dirt on hillary clinton. the mueller report says michael cohen quote recalled being in the office when trump told his father a meeting to see adverse information was going forward and notes trump junior did not tell his father about it. "the new york times" reports the intelligence committee wants to question trump junior about the events surrounding the trump tower meeting. the decision to subpoena's the eldest son appears to have come after discussions break down whether the younger mr. trump might appear voluntarily before the panel. unlikely to appear and one said he could invoke the fifth amendment rights in a written response. with us for more, former fbi
assistant director and jeremy bash, former chief of staff at cia and pentagon and former chief counsel for the house intelligence committee. thanks to both of you for being with us. again, a couple of pieces of information being reported out there. i think i mentioned this last block "the washington post" reporting tonight that this subpoena from the senate intelligence committee to trump junior actually went out last week. it's coming to light tonight but it's a-week-old apparently. also, we can put this up, some reporting here from maggie haberman of the "new york times" adding context here. she says quoting a person close to trump junior when he originally agreed to testify in 2017, there was an agreement between don and the committee he would only have to come in and testify a single time as long as he was willing to stay for as long as they'd like, which don did. don continues to cooperate by producing documents and willing to answer written questions no lawyer would ever agree to allow their client to participate in what is an obvious stunt from a so-called republican.
senator and his boss mark warner. again, maggie haberman saying that's coming from a person close to donald trump junior taking clear shots there at senator burr. jeremy, let me start with you, reading that from maggie haberman and reporting, the odds are donald trump junior actually appearing before this committee, what would you say they are? >> pretty low. i think he'll resist or take the fifth. this is a moment of truth for mitch mcconnell. a moment of truth for senate republicans because their chairman richard burr who runs the intelligence committee with a voiice chairman said he has a lot of questions for don junior he wants answers to and clearly, don junior stiffed the committee. he's not coming back value evol and revolves around the judiciary committee probably about the moscow tower deal, which of course don junior knew a lot about because he was in the trump organization and the
moscow tower deal was the biggest deal going for the trump organization at the that time. > >> well, what is your sense of this, frank, in terms of what could potentially be learned by the committee if they were able to get access to trump junior one more time? is it about whether he had a conversation with his father giving him a heads up that night trump tower meeting back in the 2016 campaign? is that the biggest single thing that they could potentially try to learn at least? >> that would be number one on their list. look, don junior is one step away from his father michael cohen as you said has said that don junior tipped off his father about this meeting at trump tower so you're one step away from the president himself having knowledge of something and the whole moscow, but here is the secondary thing. the moscow tower project goes to the heart of possible motivation as to why the president has so aligned himself with russia and
whether or not he's compromised financially and whether he was driven by dollar signs to get that tower up and running. so it's significant that while don junior has not testified to multiple committees, it's the is that the int-- senate intellige committee. he was like recalled to come voluntarily. he said i'm not going. i think you're likely to see him invoke the fifth. the other option is to somehow bizarrely claim executive privilege which the -- wouldn't hold water legally but we may see it attempted. some brazen attempt to label don junior as a presidential counselor and somehow try to carry an umbrella over the entire moscow tower and trump tower meetings. i don't think it will work but don't be surprised if you see it. >> jeremy, maybe can you play this out a little bit if he invokes the fifth or if there is another maneuver he favors here,
does this land in the same place we've been talking about with other stair downs taking place between congress and the white house where it ends up in a p protracted, months maybe longer legal battle? >> could be. that's one way it could play out, steve. if the senate intelligence committee suspects don junior m misled them and gave testimony that wasn't truthful, they can make a dim nil eferral and you have a criminal investigation for lying to congress in the same way we saw other investigations of michael cohen and others and of course, in the mueller report, it's a little unclear because the section of don junior's testimony is redacted and possible that the members of congress will look at the unredacted version although it may be grand jury information. i suspect don junior took the fifth in front of the grand jury as well. he's clamming up. he clearly has something big to hide. >> frank, the fact we talked
about in the first block there, administration now invoking police officer lag privilege over the full unredacted mueller report. are there implications for that question everyone is asking about when will the judiciary committee hear from robert mueller. will they hear from him and what would he be able to say if they do? are there implications claiming privilege for those questions? >> yes, indeed. i believe there are. if indeed congress was looking to get mueller in there as an end around to executive privilege and ask mueller questions about what don mcgahn said or what someone else said, now they are claiming privilege, the white house is claiming privilege for the entire report and the attorney general will attempt to exercise influence over mueller and say look, you can say what you had for breakfast or lunch but everything else is privileged. even if mueller gets to the hill, i would not expect him to
give full testimony because of this privilege claim. >> jeremy, there is the question here as we say, this is the first subpoena, the first known subpoena to reach immediately into the family. the president was not reacting to this tonight at that rally. do you expect that to change, though? >> look, he could try to campaign on anything that's been his m.o. but i think again, what is significant is that from a republican chairman from a republican-led senate you have a subpoena of the trump family. if the white house and trump organization tries to stone wall republican congress, i think it under cuts the claim this is a partisan witch hunt. after all, how could republicans be engaged in a witch hunt of the republican president. >> thank you both for being with us. and coming up, to impeach or not to impeach? we'll look at where americans stand right now. is there more support for impeaching trump than there was for impeaching bill clinton?
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representatives initiating impeachment proceedings against donald trump. something democrats have been talking about and trying to figure out their way forward. one thing certainly, elected officials will look at is where is the country on the question of impeachment where to go from here and an interesting reference might be to compare where the country is now on these questions with this president, donald trump and where it was in a similar moment about two decades ago about 20, 21 years ago with bill clinton. bill clinton was impeached and so there is an interesting common point we can compare h e here, the delivery of the mueller report and release publicly when it comes to trump and in 1998 the delivery and release of the star report. our friends at abc took this poll and asked very similar questions now that they asked back then that make for interesting comparisons. let start with this. the baseline, the political
strength that the president brought to the moment, donald trump's approval rating in the latest poll 39% if you take his avenue vagu average, maybe low 40s. bill clinton was in a different situation politically. he came into the impeachment fight with more strength. you see his i'm pro i'mprovemen. it was asked did donald trump interfere with the mueller investigation in a way that amounts to obstruction of justice? they are asking there did the president's behavior amount to a crime in a plurality of americans said yes. donald trump tried to interfere in a way to obstruction of justice. that the a heavy finding. bill clinton, a similar question was asked about bill clinton. did clinton did anything
illegal? did he break any laws? the answer there a majority 53% after releasing the star report said yes. what do you do about it? you think trump amounted to obstruction of justice in plurality? do you do about it? in donald trump's case, these are the numbers we've been seeing. should you impeach 37%? should you not? 56%. not a ground swell of support there with bill clinton after the release of the star report was a better than 2-1 bargain saying no. here is one other interesting comparison. this one from the nbc news journal poll. with bill clinton back in 1998 big picture day, should the whole thing be dropped or should there be more investigations about two-thirds we're saying just drop the whole thing, move on they were saying in our new nbc "wall street journal" poll a couple options do you begin impeachment? is there no impeachment?
32% shows the continue investigating option. you add these two together, continue investigating or begin impeachment. that adds up to 49% so there is more support for continuing this in someway. what can you say in clinton of trump's case any kind of ground swell for impeachment at this point but more than appetite when it comes to donald trump to keep investigating. more leeway for democrats to do that. that might explain the posture nancy pelosi has been taking. don't move to impeach now but keep the investigations going. two men who literally wrote the book on the history of impeachment. we're back after this. story of impeachment. we're back after this. what if i wielded the power of the infinity gauntlet...? i could bend reality to my will, with a snap of my fingers! i just saved money with geico. i saved hundreds of dollars! nice! that is a lot of money. the power is exhilarating!! hahahahahaha! hah. ha.
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not be the best answer in this constitutional crisis. there are a lot of considerations for that and that may not be the best answer for this crisis. >> there has been heated debate whether to move ahead with impeachment since the mueller report was released and that debate picked up more attention following the white house's refusal to cooperate with congressional investigations. house speaker nancy pelosi said trump is making the case he is self-impeachment but she also said this. >> impeachment is a very decisive, very decisive course of action to take. we shouldn't do it for passion or bias or it has to be about the sprepresentation of fact an has to be about patriotism, not partisanship. >> and with us for more, politzer prize winning author and historian john mecham and
co-authors of the book "impeachment in american history ". thanks to you for sticking around, peter, john. we heard jerry nadler today e leading to the fact in his view there are other considerations potentially out there when it comes to the question of whether to move forward with impeachment. one might be what nancy pelosi said. here is what nadler said during the clinton impeachment back in 1998. one of his arguments was we must not do this without an overwhelming consensus of the american people. there must never be a narrowly voted impeachment when impeachment is supported by one of the major political parties and opposed by the other, such an impeachment will have bitterness in politics for years to come and call into question the very legitimacy of the political institutions. do you think that is weighing on jerry nadler and should it? >> i think it is and i suspect
it should not. i would suggest that to make an absolute statement like that i think misreads what the founders intended with the impeachment weapon and it was to put a check on a president who was committing high treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors. it wasn't about whether it was a popular course of action. it was one of the checks and balances that was to in fact institute the capacity of reason to combat passion. i would respectfully disagree with the speaker of the house and with congressman nadler in saying that because something is partisan does not mean it not patriot tick. there is a, in theory and i'm not being naive about this, in theory, there is arguably a higher constitutional duty on the part of the legislative
branch to check and balance the executive no matter whether or not it would be broadly popular in the public. again, this sounds very highbrow and i'm not in congress and i don't have to face the voters and i understand all that but i think if i were in congress, what i would be thinking now is our -- is -- would our failure if you're a democratic member of the house, is the failure to move forward on this going to n enbolden future presidents to be fast and loose with the law as president trump has been according to the mueller report, the parts we know. >> peter, one of the arguments i heard democrats make in terms of continuing with the investigations is if you continue with them, perhaps public opinion changes, perhaps more comes to light, perhaps there is a broader base of public support to draw then any impeachment move. i wonder, do you think that's
realistic given the sweep of what's happened in the last two or three years during this presidency. all of the major dramas that erupted and the public opinion has moved so little in either direction. >> that the a very good point. we shouldn't make any predict n predictio predictions. we learned anything can happen any time. you're right, public opinion has stayed reasonably locked into a pretty dynamic polarized situation now for two and a half years and very little has changed that. the mueller report is not changing people's opinions about donald trump. the people who thought he was unfit for office still think he's unfit for office. the people who admire him and think he's a champion of their cause still think that and there seems to be few people in the middle moving back and forth. so i think you're right that the challenge for democrats, i mean, i understand the argument john is making, john is probably as close to the wisdom of the founders of anybody alive today
but i do think that he's also a political process and by making it a function of the house and senate that they did inherently make a political process, not a legal process and it responsive to public opinion and you're right, i don't know what would change it at this point. i don't know how that would shift. we seen the republican party become more supportive of donald trump over the last two years andless. i don't see 20 republican senators come from in the senate necessary to get the two-thirds vote you would need to convict. >> that the an interesting point you raise, john. i'm curious to ask you about that. in the people's house, the power to initiate impeachment is in the people's house. it is a political process. is there room and should there be room in the thinking here of democrats that this is a first term president and not a second term president and that he will face the voters again and have the opportunity to render a judgment. >> yes. that was part of the constitutional debate was that
four years, particularly in the old days and by the way, appreciate peter's kind words. we're in worse trouble than i thought if so which is a terrifying thought but yes, four years felt like a fairly frequent adjudication of the future of a president to the founders. one of the things i think is really interesting here is in of course peter covered it and written a book about it, the clinton impeachment and the andrew johnson impeachment, which i wrote about for this book. what is so interesting about those two that is different about now is in the andrew johnson case and i would argue in the clinton case you basically had an opposition party looking for something to impeach the person for the tenure of office act in andrew johnson's case where the clinton impeachment ended up, there was
basically a party in search of the hammer with which to hit the president. what was so interesting about this moment and i think we'll be staying this forever is you now have both parties including the opposition party walking away from that fight and that is a very interesting thing and it may be good, it may be bad in terms of political opinion, political appetite for constant strife. i leave that to others. it's worth pointing out historically the republicans under and the andrew johnson era and the republicans in the clinton era wanted to make this happen. in the trump era, though we have enormous number of details sitting in front of us, both the republicans and democrats are moving the other direction. just an interesting sign in a partisan moment. >> john and peter, it would not be a bad time to pick up their
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i support him. i think that the invest gags has gone on long enough. they've provided a full report and we should be done. >> all right, we talk all the time about how attitudes about donald trump just are locked in. if you like him, you're with him, if you don't like him, yourself against him. nobody seems to change their mind. we talk about that a lot, but there is a fascinating new study out tonight that says that's basically true, but views of trump have changed in a small but end treatmently important way. it's from our friends at democracy fund. this is a bipartisan group, some very smart people there.
they have been conducting surveys of the american electorate throughout trump's presidency. they're out with a new study. here's the bottom line. the favorable/unfavorable rating, they keep tracking this for trump, positive/negative view of donald trump. this is where it sits do, 40% favorable, 56% unfavorable. compare that to right after the election in 2016, they surveyed it then, as well. remember, donald trump got elected by the skin of his teeth, he was not very popular. they show a four-point drop from 44% favorable when he got elected to 40% now. more significantly, i think, is this. i say they've been doing these surveys regularly. at any point during donald trump's presidency, checking in with folks, they find that only 49% of americans have ever at any point in donald trump's presidency, expressed a favorable view of him. maybe they did it once, then they changed their mind, maybe they came back to it. 49%. at any point have had a favorable view. and they raise the question, is
that trump's ceiling, can he just not get past 49%? if so, obviously, there's a path to re-election, but that reinforces how extremely narrow it could be. here's where things could be extremely significant. they break the electorate down into three core groups here. voters who in 2010 voted for romney then went for trump in 2016, pretty strong republicans. after the election, 92% of them had a favorable view of trump. how about romney/clinton? a lot of these were traditional republican voters, romney, but they didn't like trump, they switched to hillary clinton in 2016. not surprisingly, they had a very negative view of trump. only 10% had a positive view of him. and the voters we talk about a lot. the obama/trump voters. they couldn't vote for hillary, they voted for donald trump, 85% favorable. how have these three groups changed in the two-plus years of trump's presidency? the romney/trump voters, no change there they liked him, they still like him. the romney/clinton voters, no
real change there. they despised him, they still do. obama/trump. a lot of these white working class voters, a lot of these, think about the midwest state us, pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, the voters who made trump president, 85% favorable coming out of the election, where do they stand right now? there's your drop. 85% down to 66%. small but potentially significant. fascinating information. don't go anywhere. more of "the 11th hour" right after this break. right after this breakeel vings with e and create the future that's most meaningful to you. which means you can retire, without retiring from life. having the flexibility to retire on your terms. that's the power of pacific. ask your financial professional about pacific life today.
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