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a little down time can lift you right up. ♪ flights, hotels, cars, activities, vacation rentals. expedia. everything you need to go. programming note. this time tomorrow or 9:00 tomorrow, we will be joined here in studio by democratic presidential candidate julian castro, the former mayor of san antonio and president obama's former housing secretary. it is the first time since his impressive debate performance. it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> we have polling coming up in this hour showing that julian castro did win some heards and minds during the debates. his image improved. there is all sorts of internals saying who do you like better as a result of the debate. he is one of the people who
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benefitted. >> i saw the early fund-raising numbers that his campaign put out. he got a big bump. i had a feeling we would see poll numbers follow. >> that was my anecdotal experience. my civilians let me know what they were thinking. we are texting in julian castro. i like that guy. >> the campaign matters. the way the candidates talk and compete with one another matters. everybody said that the fundamentals will be true no matter what happens. when they mix it up, it makes a difference. this is a super exciting part. >> it will be fascinating to see what the candidates are like post debate, especially the ones who did very well. >> thank you, my dear. >> drinking out of toilets. that's what children are being told do by our border patrol according to members of congress who visited the border patrol station in clint, texas that has
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been condemned by the inhumane conditions. that came when a news group described the 9,000 current and former member who is engage in vicious comments and jokes about the adults and children in their custody and attacks against the members of congress who came to visit those children today. the facebook posts include graphic sexual jokes about congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. she gave her reaction to that after visiting the border patrol station today and we will bring you that at the end of this hour. but first, the photo op presidency went to north korea on sunday. the president of the united states who can never be believed is trying to convince you that it was just a spur of the moment decision made by the president on the road headed for south korea and thought maybe i should be the first person to set foot into north korea. that is not how it happened.
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the hill is reporting that a week before the president stepped into north korea, he told them in an off the record portion of the hill's interview that he might meet with the murderous dictator on his trip to south korea. the hill now revealed that off the record portion of the interview in an exclusive interview with the hill last monday. trump said he would be visiting the dmz and he might meet with kim. the hill delayed publishing news of the trip earlier in the week at the request of the white house which cited security concerns about publicizing the president's plans that far in advance. the "wall street journal" said on wednesday president moon of south korea told foreign journalists that the u.s. and north korea engaged in behind the scenes talks about a third summit between the two countries' leaders and the third summit happened right there.
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on sunday. it was planned. so there is no reason that anyone should believe that president trump's on the fly tweet was written before all the details of the meeting were locked down. if chairman kim sees this, i would meet him just to shake his hand and say hello. the president did a little more than shake his hand and say hello. he said it was an honor to step across that line into north korea. >> i said hey, i'm over here, i want to go to chairman kim. we got to meet and stepping across that line was a great honor. >> a great honor to actually be standing in the country where kim jong un has starved so many people and murdered so many people. and tortured otto warmbier. that's what donald trump thinks is a great honor. it was all about the photo op that the press staff for the first time in the history of the
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trump presidency fought for the american press to be allowed to get a good picture of the photo op. some observers have mistaken the new press secretary stephanie grish am as fighting for the first amendment rights of the press corps, but she was fighting to keep her job because the only thing that matters in a photo op is the photo. she didn't fight for the right of anyone to ask the most murderous dictator in the world a question. previous presidents have refused to give north korean dictators the international legitimacy that a meeting with the president of the united states used to confer. by now it is clear to the world that donald trump doesn't know what legitimacy is. he cannot confer legit masso anyone. of course he demanded nothing in exchange for granting kim jong un another meeting. donald trump has no idea what his words and actions will mean
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to his place in history books s but he does understand the guinness book of world records. to emphasize the degree of difficulty of his achievement of stepping across the border this weekend, he had to lie about it. donald trump decided the best way to make his photo op look like something difficult was to tell yet another lie in his stream of pathological lies about president barack obama. >> president obama wanted to meet and chairman kim would not meet him. the obama administration was begging for a meeting. they were begging for meetings constantly. chairman kim would not meet with him. >> former obama deputy national security adviser tweeted trump is lying. i was there for all eight years. obama never sought a meeting with kim jong un. foreign policy isn't reality television, it's reality.
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former security adviser susan rice tweeted at the risk of stating the obvious, this is horse crap. president obama's director james clapper said president obama never expressed around interest in meeting kim jong un. the new york times is reporting that the trump administration officials are working on what would in effect be complete surrender to north korea's dictator. the complete denuclearization of north korea is the only thing he would call success, but now his administration is working on a possible proposal that north korea be allowed to keep its nuclear weapons program as it is today and freeze the development of more nuclear weapons. national security adviser john bolton issued a panicked tweet about this, saying i read this "new york times" story with curiosity with the nfc staff nor i discussed or heart any desire to settle for a nuclear freeze.
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this was a reprehensible attempt to box in the president. there should be consequences. that was john bolton advocating that the president find and fire whoever leaked the proposal that john bolton seems to know nothing about. john bolton sent that tweet from mongolia where the president sent him instead of allowing john bolton, the national security adviser, to accompany the president to the meeting with kim jong un. why would the president need his national security adviser when he had the highest ranking trump white house staff member with him? ivanka trump who finally said something that we can all agree on was there. she told reporters that her getting to shake the hand of the murderous dictator was "surreal." leading off the discussion was a commentator on national security issues. his next book is traitor, the case against donald j. trump.
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the executive direct over of bloomberg opinion and msnbc contributor. am i wrong to believe that the world has been paying attention. has shifted a bunch of things like the notion of the president conferring legitimacy. this is a big thing i'm hearing about donald trump made the mistake of conferring legitimacy. that's only true if the world thinks donald trump can confer legitimacy on anyone. >> here can't confer on people who value legitimacy. but kim jong un does not value legit masy and will take any kind he can get. for to have donald trump come to him and cross the border and bring his two most trusted advisers, ivanka and jared who he slipped into the meeting unbenounced to the white house despite the fact that they were not really eligible for security
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clearances and the discussion would be about nukes, for kim, that's a big victory. for trump then leak and i suspect the person bolton is most angry at in his tweet is trump because trump is the who is boxing bolton out. boxing pompeo out. he wants a deal. that's another big win for kim. as you say, if what we do is end up with a freeze where north korea gets to keep 20 to 60 nuclear warheads and we lift sanctions and reward them for keeping their nuclear warheads, what a catastrophe that will be. >> a worse deal than the obama-iran deal. >> dramatically worse. the iranians would say we would like one of those, too. there is one problem. the north koreans have broken the last two deals they signed with us and we can't count on them to do anything. and we broke the last deal that
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we had with the iranians. nobody can trust us to do anything. this is all about the transaction. trump getting a win, kim getting a win, and the countries not so much. >> tim, donald trump clearly wants to find a way to say by the republican convention if not sooner, here's my big win. big win with north korea. whatever he will describe as a big win. >> the idea that donald trump thinks strategically about things should be put to rest. hopefully finally by the events of the last weekend. she thinks theatrically and cinematically about everything. for him a big win is that he gets to stand in the dmz and the first president to ever have done so. >> the guinness book of records thing is the big win for him. >> completely. that's the problem here. he doesn't really care whether
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or not he gets us down the road to a sensible place on foreign policy with iran, with north korea, with china. what he really wants is to be able to say he looks wonderful. he thinks that about his family members and himself and he will ice out his white house aides to get here and the american public. that's what's dangerous here. his thinking is not goal-oriented. >> let's stay with ivanka trump's word for this. surreal. there she has my complete agreement. there is the president and his daughter in this situation. what did that conjure for you watching that? >> it's another episode of the apprentice. unfortunately it's happening in north korea. it wasn't just surreal there, but the weekend from the ivanka perspective was surreal beginning with the g-20 meetings. she was popping in and out of meetings she was not qualified
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to attend. she lacks the intellect, experience, and insight to be sitting with the president in these meetings and the dnz visit was a bicherro the weekend where the trumps were putting u.s. policy and the u.s. position in the world to their own self branding mission. >> let's go back to john bolton's situation. it's the most desperate public statement that i am aware of a national security adviser ever making in the history of the job. here he is. he is off literally in mongolia that sounds like the punch line of a joke between russia and china. an important place in the world, but not visited very often by american officials. and that's where the president has sent him specifically so he won't be there. and then the "new york times" said the trump administration is working on basically a form of
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caving to north korea, which north korea it's not clear they accepted or if they did, they would cheat on it later. he tries to cheat into this story and his tweet included the story is not true. two, a direct message to the president, find and fire whoever leaked this idea to the "new york times." what does this tell us about where john bolton is in this administration and how long he will be in this administration? >> john bolton is in mongolia. that's where he is. they sent him there, but it's the kind of metaphorically the second time they sent him there in a week. a week earlier on the iran deal, he was pushing let's go to war. trump was like you are a war monger, i'm not going to go to war and patted him away and jokes about him. trump goes around and said he's
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a mad man. i'm not like that. it's good to have him around. he goes off and sends him to mongolia. john bolton is the pretty face of american national security. that's it. there is nothing else going on there. trump likes to do it all one on one. just like there is no need for a press secretary and there is no need for a national security adviser. he meets with putin and mbs alone. he meets with president xi alone. he has people on either side, but he does it all one on one. the clock is tick. how many scaramuccis does bolton have left. i don't know. >> what's strange is he can't get it done alone. as much as he thinks, he lacks the firepower and the ability to get anything done programmatically. >> you got it right. with all respect, the inroads got it wrong. this is a reality show.
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donald trump views it as a reality show. >> he said foreign policy is not a reality show. >> it shouldn't be, but trump foreign policy is a reality show. it's about the dramatic reveal and the cliff hanger and what may happen next. it's not about national interest and outcomes and about anything national security has been about. it is exactly what the apprentice used to be about. >> the last word in the opening round. thank you both for starting us off. when we come back, we have new polling, important new polling of the democratic candidates after the debate. there are some very big gainers, big winners in these post debate polls. important developments in those polls at this stage of the game. also later in this hour, you will hear from a 12-year-old girl who lived in the horrific conditions inside the u.s. border patrol facility in clint, texas.
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. >> we now have our first set of post debate polls from the presidential field of the candidates and the new polls shows senators elizabeth warren and kamala harris moving up in a big way. in a morning consult poll,
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kamala harris doubled support moving up to a tie for third place with senator elizabeth warren at 12%. bernie sanders unmoved at 19%. joe biden is down in that poll 5 points, but remains a strong front-runner in the poll with 33%. then a new cnn poll out tonight shows joe biden dropping 10 points, down to 22%. that still leaves him in first place while kamala harris moved up nine points to second place with 17% in that poll. elizabeth warren gained eight points in that poll and moved up to 15%. bernie sanders lost four and moved down to 14%. but technically the margin of error leaves senator harris, warnen and sanders in a tie. maria urbina from indivisionible.
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director for hillary clinton's presidential campaign. jennifer, what happened? what do the polls tell us? let's put it out there. it could change income week. it apparently is a reaction to the debate. your reaction to that? >> dinote that biden's pollster tweeted that this was over a weekend and we shouldn't take them too seriously. she went for the king and she got him and she went up nine points. he went down in that poll 10 points and kamala harris went up nine. >> guidance for the audience. when you see polls that have different movements in them. kamala harris moved in both, but in one joe biden drops much more. >> he drops down to 22. >> how do the campaigns read that? >> they are outliers.
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but it can make the staff nervous. is that -- which one is the outlier. it's hard to poll over a weekend in the summer. there is lots of reasons to doubt exactly where biden is, but certainly you have to acknowledge that kamala harris had a strategy to go after biden and he was going to do that to her benefit and to hurt him and that seems to have happened. i think that it doesn't mean that it's going to stay in that order. of biden, harris, warren, sanders, but i think it means we have entered the dynamic stage of the primary where the safety has been taken off and biden is not -- can't be viewed as the ultimate front runner and this thing can be dynamic and you will see a lot of lead changes from now on. >> what do polls mean for activists and volunteers and energy in the different
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campaigns? >> this is great for our community and our community of organizers. our community has been really excited and engaged from the beginning. all the way from the very first democratic forum here talking about democratic reforms. we saw the movement get really involve and we have started to see the early insights around castro, for example. when the movement gets to know castro, they get excited about him even though they don't know a lot about him coming in. we saw that after the first debate night when we released the poll of over 6,000 members. they said that first night that warren and castro took it. what's exciting for us is activist who is continue to be engaged, indivisible leaders are engaged and they are calling it earlier than we are seeing in the public opinion polling. that's a good thing because it means it is not inevitable. it means this is dynamic and we are happy to be engage and a part of this race.
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>> to no one's surprise, donald trump, jr. retweeted a racist tweet about kamala harris that brought out elizabeth warren and other democrats immediately basically standing up for kamala harris. here's the way joe biden responded. the same forces of hatred rooted in birther irm that questioned barack obama's american citizenship are being used against kamala harris. it's disgusting. racism has noplace in america. >> as far as i could discern, each of the presidential candidates had some sort of comment about that in response to what don, jr. did. that was a disturbing story behind the troll farm that created that moment. >> that strikes me as donald trump, jr. manages to unite all of the democratic candidates after a debate. who else could do that?
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>> it's true. we will call on him often once we get to the general election. >> we will squeeze in a break and we will continue with more of the information in the polls and some new and positive information for the buttigieg campaign. that's next. campaign that's next. hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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during the first quarter and a new poll from huff post found that the candidate who did the most to improve the image among voters was senator elizabeth warren. 58% of voters in that poll said that their views of elizabeth warren improved after the debate compared to just 4% who said their views of elizabeth warren worsened. 58% also said that their view of kamala harris improved after the debates with more, 9%, saying views of her worsened. they were followed by former housing and urban development secretary julian castro, 44% of voters said their opinions of julian castro improved with just 7% saying opinions of him worsened. maria urbina and jennifer are back. what do you make of that part of the polls, saying my view of
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this person improved. that seems like a very important internal. >> there is two things you look for. did your view of that person improve or do you want to know more about them? the lesson in the candidates, you are looking for that number to go up. julian castro saw that. amy klobuchar saw that, too. for harris and warren, at the beginning of this primary because it's already been going on for six months and we still have more than seven months to go before anyone votes. the men were doing well. early poll his biden, sanders, buttigieg and o'rourke leading and the women were trailing. i think for a woman candidate, it takes voters longer to buy into women candidates and you see that surge happening now with both warren and harris.
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i noted in the cnn poll, kamala went up 9 and warren went up 8 and the 17 points came from white men. i suspect that maybe that suspect for women might be more durable because it's contested more. >> this electability issue which voters have been talking about a lot. the "huffington post" post still shows joe biden at the top in electability. but it's a drop for him on that score. an increase for senator warren and senator harris and bernie sanders staying about the same. pete buttigieg staying about the same and a drop for beto o'rourke. now you have senator warren and harris climbing up in a territory close to where joe
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biden is now on that electability issue. >> that's right and it's a considerable drop for vice president biden and it has to be noted. for all of the historic candidates, once viewers and voters and activists see them on stage and see them compete and see their visions put forward in an exciting and clear and specific way, folks are reacting to them. that's part of what you are seeing. they are being excited by them. one of the things we hear from the movement is that it's early and they want to get to know folks. sure, vice president biden and senator sanders have support because of their name id. they have run national campaigns and they come in well-known. as they took the stage for the first time with a slate of historic candidates with big, bold ideas and democracy reform, you are seeing folks get excite and that's what we are seeing over the weekend. >> as we learned repeatedly, you cannot win the democratic
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nomination without the black voters and win the general election without black voters. the poll shows a big shift in what's happening with black support for kamala harris. it was 6% after the debate it has shot up to 24%. joe biden a. strong 49% and still very, very strong at 36% as the leader among black voters, but that's a pretty big movement for senator harris. >> and it's like a dam breaking moment for senator harris. if black voters had stayed consolidated behind vice president biden, that was going to make it hard for anyone to move up in a sustained way. this is just one poll. this is the first set of polls done quickly. i think what matters now is what
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does senator harris do next? does she continue to go after biden? i'm not sure there is a lot of percentage with that. she will make her own case and people will be watching her in the next few weeks. we have the debate coming up at the end of july. that could be set up as a come back moment for joe biden. if he's able to deliver a stronger performance. the black voters are consolidating and i think that i'm not surprised to see the race become more dynamic. it doesn't mean joe biden can't become the eventual nominee. i bet his staff is not surprised to see these numbers move around like they are. it means they are in a different part of the campaign. >> jennifer and maria, thank you both very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you, lawrence. >> when we come back, a 12-year-old girl who has endured the horrific conditions inside
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>> here's more of that video interview with the 12-year-old girl who was held at the border patrol station in clint, texas. >> joining us now is taylor levy, an imbragz attorney who helped reunite that dwelve-year-old girl and her sister with their mother here in the united states. thank you very much for joining us. appreciate you helping us. tell us about how you got into
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the legal position of representing this little girl and how long it took for you to get her reunited with her mother. >> thank you so much for having me. i'm an attorney here this el paso, texas and contacted by the other girl's attorney and in the twin cities area, she contacted me because she knew i did work on the boarder and she contacted me through friends and that was during the weekend. she said that border patrol called the mother and said since the girls kept getting hospitalize and they kept bouncing back from the hospital, they would be willing to release the girls to the mother if she flew down from minnesota. she dropped everything and jumped on a plane and arrived on sunday. june 2nd and we worked a lot on june 2nd and 3rd to get them reunited. >> the mother has been in the united states for a few years and they were living with their
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aunt. the girl's mother, is she undocumented at this point? >> the girls' mother is an asylum seeker. she had to flee their home country with extreme domestic violence because the abuser said he was going to kill her. she was able to flee successfully seeking asylum in the united states and the girls were later target and the aunt had to make the decision to bring them to the united states as well. they were not snaif thein their country. >> listen who what joaquin castro said. >> when we went into the cell, it was clear that the water was not running. it was a toilet, but no running water for people to drink. in fact, one of the women said that she was told by an agent to drink water out of the toilet. these are the conditions, these
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are the conditions that have been created by the trump administration. >> were you surprised by any of those distributions inside? >> i was not. >> i want to show video that congressman castro took while he was inside the facility. they were not supposed to use their cameras in any way. but congressman castro managed to get his on. there was a little bit of background sound that you can hear from that video. this shows the way the adults are being kept there. we also have other members of congress who were in there today and you met with some of them after the fact and some of them had an emotional reaction to what they saw. tell us about that. >> i did. after the tours, i was able to meet with congresswoman
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alexandria ocasio-cortez and pressley. they toured one of the sites of hospitality along with a few activist groups. we met and spoke to them for a couple of hours and they were clearly very emotional and affected by what they had seen. one of the biggest things we were trying to tell them is it was better than it would have been if they had not known there was a congressional visit. the aunt we were trying to get her out of those conditions for over 35 days and she was just surprise transferred to an ice facility in arizona on sunday. we know that the cells shown in the video that castro leaked, those are much fewer people than are normally held in the cells. they normally don't have blankets like that. that was surprising. >> attorney taylor levy, thank you very much for joining us. appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> when are we come back, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez went to the border
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today as they revealed a customs and border patrol facebook page, not an official page, but it involves current and former workers on the border patrol that including graphic sexual jokes as well as other attacks about congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. that's next. exandria ocasio-cortez. that's next. [alarm beeping] {tires screeching} {truck honking} (avo) life doesn't give you many second chances. but a subaru can. (dad) you guys ok? you alright? wow. (avo) eyesight with pre-collision braking. standard on the subaru ascent. presenting the three-row subaru ascent. love is now bigger than ever.
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what we saw today was
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unconscionable. no child should ever be separated from their parents. no child should ever be taken from their family. no woman should ever be locked up in a pen when they have done no harm to another human being. they should be given water. they should be given basic ax to human rights. >> that was congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez in clinton, texas, today outside the border patrol station that has been holding children in unhealthy and unsanitary conditions. before the congresswoman got there, a.c. thompson reported a secret facebook group have been attacking the congresswoman on facebook. a.c. told chris hayes what he found in that facebook group. >> when i see members of federal
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law enforcement agencies posting memes about essentially sexual assaulting a sitting congresswoman -- i have never seen anything like that. it is so, so upsetting and so vulgar. >> the facebook group includes graphic sexual jokes about congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. in texas she tweeted this today, just left the first facility. i see why cbp officers were being so physical will i and sexually threatening towards me. officers were keeping women in cells with no water and had told them to drink out of the toilets. this was them on their good behavior. in front of members of congress. joining us now is the president and ceo of vote latino and a msnbc contributor. your reaction to that visit to the border today and what we discovered about propublica's reporting about that secret
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facebook group about current and former border patrol agents? >> the fact that the congressional delegate members had access i applaud them. they were forceful so we can see what was happening. despite the fact that the border patrol confiscated their cell phones and they were able to get audio -- first of all, this should be transparent for the rest of the country. they are coming to the country and asking for asylum and being treated horribly. the fact that close to 9,500 border patrol agents are in that facebook group -- there are 20,000 total, so we are talking about half of the individuals. feeding the idea of inhumanity and it transferred to real life behavior. the fact that they're going after a sitting congresswoman.
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the fact that they're doing that to her who has resources and power, imagine what they're doing to the women who don't have to power and ax. the children -- lawrence, they have families living in this country, close 70% of these children have a relative that they can pick up the phone and be reunited tomorrow, but instead the president decides cruelty is the policy and it's going to be traumatizing. it's unacceptable. i applaud the members of congress that were finally able to break through and have the rest of the country reveal what is happening inside. >> let's listen to what congresswoman castro said about that facebook group current and former border patrol agents. >> that was a vulgar disgusting and vile page. that shows, unfortunately, that
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there are many within cbp who have become desensitized to the point of becoming dangerous to the migrants in their care and their coworkers. >> this facebook group makes jokes about people dying at the board sore desensitized i think is not quite the word for what we are talking about. >> it's absolutely grotesque. there are agents that enlisted themselves to basically protect this country and right now the resources that are taking away from identifying individuals that can provide us harm instead of perpetuating a behavior that is the crassest of our behavior. we have had six children die under this president. before then, zero. so there is a strong contrast. when the american people are hearing that folks are coming into the boarder and we just don't have the resources, that is not true.
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we are spending as taxpayers 6 hupds, hundred dollars on each individual that's incarcerated. we can't get them toothpaste. unless there is really reckoning from the top of the administration all the way on down, we are going see more deaths and we are going to see a stain on our history. we have to make sure we continue this transparency, because the idea that, again, these children have relatives in this country, they could be released tomorrow, but instead the administration is maximizing cruelty. it's not only inacceptable, but it's on our watch. lawrence i applaud you. this is not something that's new to you. you have been doing this from the beginning and you're sounding that alarm. >> it's moving when you go to the region. when i was down there i couldn't get into any facilities but just standing inside them and gazing at them and realizing what you have heard about what's going on inside them is a very moving experience. i want to listen to a
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congresswoman who told chris hay about her experience today. >> they locked the kids in rooms so we wouldn't talk to them. and it's plexiglas. you had a small child, had 3, 4 years old running up to try to touch us through the glass, get our attention and asking for his father. it's pretty heartbreaking. >> your reaction to that? >> it's -- everything is heartbreaking, and it's under our control. i was in homestead, florida, i got lost trying to get there with two other activists. you know what they told me? they said turn right on the walmart. we turned. it was the end of the road. we were able to get nut the middle of suburbia and we were able to watch children walking around wearing yellow caps,
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knowing we had activists outside making them feeling like they were welcome, but they were 2, 3, 5, 17 years old and couldn't get them out because the government decides it's more profitable keeping them there than being just and humane. >> you get the last ward. thanks for joining us. that's "the last word." tonight, donald trump offers new praise for the dictator he sought out in north korea while back home he plans a fourth of july complete with military tanks along the washington mall. >> house judiciary chair shares details with msnbc tonight about robert mueller's upcoming testimony, and new numbers show us how a debate performance can propel or deflate a candidacy. "the 11th hour" on a monday night starts right now.

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