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thanks for being with us. that's going to do it for us for this fourth of july weekend. see you again monday. last word with lawrence o'donnell starts now. good evening and welcome to our special fourth of july weekend edition of the last word. what did the founders consider the most important job in american government? here's a hint. the president of the united states is the 6th job mentioned in the constitution. the first job? the first job described in the constitution is member of the house of representatives and the second job specified in the constitution is speaker of the house of representatives. the power of the house of representatives is something donald trump has been painfully discovering since the new democratic house majority was sworn in six months ago after winning the 2018 mid-term
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elections with the largest margin of victory since 1974. donald trump's dream to build a border wall with mexico ended with his complete vendure on the trump government shut down to the new democratic majority in the house of representatives. the new house put donald trump's former personal lawyer and fixer, michael cohen under oath. donald trump is now the subject of 11 investigations. donald trump's former accounting firm and deutsche bank are in the process of compiling records to comply with subpoenas from documents from the house of representatives. in two weeks, special counsel robert mueller will testify to the house judiciary committee and the house intelligence committee. at last count, 85 house members have called for impeachment, including some of the democratic freshman stars who won back the speaker's gavel for nancy pelosi. tonight you will hear from some of those freshmen stars. congresswoman ayanna pressley of
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massachusetts and member of the house oversight committee will investigate almost everything in the trump administration. katie porter from california is a former student and professor of elizabeth warren at harvard law school before becoming a law professor herself. she demonstrated let skills and sharp questioning of witnesses and repeatedly exposed the ignorance of trump cabinet members. and tom melinowski who i worked with a lifetime ago when we were both on the staff of new york senator patrick moynihan's office. he fled communist poland when he was 6 years old and spent his life advocating for human rights while working for senator moin man and then in the investigations of president clinton and president obama. you want to hear what he has to say about donald trump and dictators. you will also hear from lucy mcbath whose 17-year-old son,
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jordan, was shot and killed in racist gun violence in 2012 and whose first bill for stronger background checks was passed with bipartisan support. it is one of the 50 bills passed by the democratic house in the last six months on issues including voting rights, prescription drugs, veteran's services and climate change. the new house may have to wait for a new president to sign the bills into law. the democratic nominating contest is now coming into sharper focus after the first debates here on msnbc. >> donald trump thinks wall street built america. ordinary middle class americans built america. we do have enormous income inequality and the one thing i agree on is we can make massive cuts in the $1.6 trillion in loopholes and i would be going about eliminating tax cuts for the wealthy. >> i will ensure this microphone
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that the president of the united states holes in her hand is used in a way that is about reflecting the values of our country and not about locking children up, separating them from their parents. >> when you have got a government and an economy that does great for those with money and isn't doing great for everyone else, that is corruption pure and simple. we need to call it out. >> the american people understand that trump is a phony, that trump is a pathological liar and a racist and that he lied to the american people during his campaign. >> for a party that associates itself with christianity, to say that it is okay to suggest that god would smile on the division of families at the hands of federal agents, that god would condone putting children in cages has lost all claim to ever use religious language again.
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>> donald trump wants us to fight on his terms. i will beat him by calling this country to a common purpose again. >> every one of those candidates are shown beating donald trump. every one of them. here in tandem, the center for american progress in hillary clinton's first campaign for president. the senior director of progressive programming is an m mms nbc analyst and post debate, we have nate silver saying that it looks to him as though joe biden, elizabeth warren, kamala harris are all equally likely to get the nomination. joe biden still has a very significant lead. >> sure. i think vice president joe biden has a good shot to win the nomination, but i think what the debate show side he's not the only who can win and not the only one who can face off
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against donald trump. there was a narrative building that in order to beat trump, you had to nominate a white guy. what the debate showed is you do not have to do that. you can nominate a woman or a black woman and defeat donald trump. what kamala harris show side she didn't jump into this race just to run for president. she jumped into this race to win the election. i think that sometimes women get judged for trying to be in charge, for trying to be too ambitious. what was demonstrated last week is that the women are up to the challenge of defeating donald trump. that's what they showed last week. >> your view of where the race stands for president and how the presidential campaign can interact with what the democrats are trying to achieve in the house of representatives or should the presidential campaigns and should nancy pelosi just ignore the presidential campaigns? >> well, i think the most important thing that's facing the country is obviously
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defeating donald trump in 2020. the presidential election i think has a lot of the focus. the democratic presidential primary has the focus of the public and the cable shows and of the media in general. that makes a lot of sense, but we can't forget that the range of issues that the democratic house is passing, voting rights legislation, prescription drugs and a lot of the issues that were on the debate stage last week are issues that democrats have taken up and mitch mcconnell is defeating. the way these things can interact is that more of the democratic presidential candidates can talk about how they will be able to pass bills on day one and make a difference in people's lives, particularly if they have a big enough margin to take the senate. that's a way to combine the messages, but defeating donald trump is on the minds of basically every democrat and many independents. >> i think you are neatly tying
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it together. once there is a democratic nominee, a lot of these freshmen stars and other members of the house will be on the stage with the nominee, introducing the nominee in their district, saying here's what i've done for you in nancy pelosi's house. here's all the things we have done for you that you want. we can't get it unless we get this candidate elected president so the bills can be signed. >> that's a very good argument not just on the issues of guns and election protection, but also about what's happening at the border. we forget sometimes when we just go through the daily news cycle that what's happening on the border disturbed millions of americans and they don't want to see images of children in cages. an effective argument is i'm not the candidate that's going to continue to put children in cages. that's a good and solid argument and now you have stars who are representative of the american electorate like aoc and ayanna
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pressley who look like the electorate and look like the american people and they are coming forth with a compelling message on the future of the democratic party in the country is going to look like. i think it's much more diverse than all of the presidents and leaders we had in the past and that's a good thing. >> donald trump holding steady at a 54% disapproval. a stunning disapproval for a president. it never has really changed. i for one and i look for this, i don't see anything that donald trump can do to move voters to him, especially since he never once tried to do it. he never has spoken favorably to a voter who hasn't already voted for him. what do you see in the campaign that donald trump can do to change the 54% disapproval? >> i think frankly he's not aiming to change that disapproval. he's aiming to replicate what
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happened in 2016. nuclear bomb the democratic nominee so that the nominee has the same level of disapproval. i think that's why a lot of people are looking for someone who has the ability to go toe to toe with donald trump. who can argue in favor of their case. i would say that the key issue in this election is both motivating the base, which is vitally important, but reaching out to persuadable voters. we saw in 2018 the candidates across the country were able to do both of those things. they were able to turn some soft trump voters to vote democratic, especially in the midwest and bring out the base. we had a historic election in the number of people who participated. that's a big question for what the party has to do. trump is going to do everything he can to sow division and make
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people hate the nominee and turn democrats against the nominee. the most important thing is to ensure that democrats don't fall for that sucker punch. >> thank you both for starting us off. coming up, the freshman class of democrats changed everything in the house of representatives. during this hour, we will talk to the news makers in the house. you will see how congresswoman porter makes the most of her time in hearings and how she prepares for the big surprises she delivers in those hearings. s she delivers in those hearings my experience with usaa
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the freshmen members on the democratic side of the house have changed everything. and one of the new stars of the freshmen class in the house of representatives will join us in a moment. she has already mastered the very difficult art of having a real impact in those five minutes of question time that she is allowed in house
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hearings. katherine clark of massachusetts is a member of nancy pelosi's leadership team and the vice chair of the house democratic conference and this is what she said about her new freshmen members. >> i do think the freshmen have changed everything. >> those freshmen got a chance to change everything because voters sent them to congress to change everything, and everything they have changed has been bad for donald trump and the trump administration. >> those freshmen have delivered us the majority. we are now able to have the investigations that republicans refuse to look at and refuse to take up. and to do our job as laid out in article one. so yes, i think they have changed everything and have given us the tools that we need to be able to hold this administration accountable. >> we are seeing dramatic
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moments in hearings now. routinely, that we used to see once or twice in a decade in the past. members of congress coming to the hearings now prepared and ready to hold witnesses accountable and to do it in as pointed and dramatic of a way as you can in an otherwise confining setting of a hearing room. today the action was in the house financial services committee. the witness facing the tough freshmen questioning was timothy sloane, the ceo of wells fargo that paid more than $4 billion in fines and settlements since they were caught for opening millions of accounts without customers' knowledge and other stung customer abuses. alexandria ocasio-cortez, the youngest woman ever elected to congress came to the hearing as she has to all of her hearings so far ready to challenge the witness in a way that republicans never would.
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she focused on wells fargo's financing for the dakota access pipeline that the obama administration suspended construction of after the standing rock sioux tribe challenged the project in court. the trump administration after taking office allowed the project to go forward with financing from wells fargo. >> hypothetically if there was a leak from the dakota access pipeline, why shouldn't wells fargo pay for the clean up since it paid for the construction of the pipeline itself? >> because we don't operate the pipeline. we provide financing to the company as operating the pipeline. our responsibility is to ensure that at the time that we make that loan, that customer and we have a group of people in wells fargo including an environmental oversight group headed by one of my colleagues who used to be at the epa -- >> one question. why did wells fargo finance this pipeline when it was widely seen
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to be environmentally unstable. >> the reason is because our team reviewed the environment impact and we concluded that it was a risk we were willing to take. >> so the environmental impact team at wells fargo said go ahead. take the risk. freshman congresswoman katie porter pursue another line of tough questioning, the same questioning you have seen her do repeatedly. you have seen it on this program in video that we have shown you of her devastatingly effective questioning, including of a trump official that we showed you on this program last night. katie porter is the first democrat in history to be elected to represent california's 45th congressional district in orange county, a county that normally votes republican. two democratic presidential candidates have had a hand in the development of katie porter's skills.
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kamala harris was attorney general and appointed cater porter to be the independent monitor of banks in a $25 billion mortgage settlement that brought reforms to the mortgage business in california and senator elizabeth warren was a professor of katie porter's when katie porter was a student at harvard law school. katie porter graduated magna cum laude and became a professor herself. like elizabeth warren it was from her position as a law school professor that she decided to run for office. if you were watching last night, you saw katie porter's crushing line of questioning to the trump administration's director of the consumer financial protection bureau who could not calculate the annual percentage rate of a predatory payday loan, that offers financially vulnerable people a small infusion of cash
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at astronomical interest rates. katie porter did it again in the hearing room. this time with the ceo of wells fargo, timothy sloane. >> in november of 2016, you said "i'm fully committed to taking the necessary steps to restore our customers' trust." you also said on a call "we have already made progress in restoring customers' trust and remain committed to being transparent with investors." your proxy statement to investors, you said "restoring your trust and the trust of all key stakeholders is our top priority. those statements to me are pretty vague. they sound like they might be obscure, empty promises. do those statements really mean something to you, mr. sloane? >> they do. >> so it's safe to say they mean
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something to you and customers and investors can rely on the statements? >> that's correct. >> then why, mr. clonsloane, if don't mind my asking are your lawyers in federal court arguing that those exact statements that i read are ""paraid matic examples nonactionable corporate puffily of which no one can rely. >> you asked me a direct question in terms of do i believe -- i believe the answer was correct. you lying to a federal judge or are you lying to me and this congress right now about whether we can rely on those statements? >> neither. >> it's convenient for your lawyers to deflect blame in court and say you are rebranding campaign can be ignored as hyperbolic marketing, but you want us to take you at your word
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and that's the disconnect and why the american public is having trouble trufing wells fargo. >> joining us now is katie porter of california. thank you very much for joining us. this is the first time we are meeting in the same room in the studio here in washington. glad we were able to do that. i know when most freshmen in the house are hold that when they get their big moment in the hearing room after waiting sometimes for 25 members to do the questioning before they get down to the freshmen, you will get five minutes. you get five minutes. most members frankly give up on the concept. they don't do much homework. they just make a little bit of a speech in the five minutes where they think they are saying something and hope their constituents want to hear, but they don't bother to do the work because they don't see what you can accomplish in five minutes. did you know from the outset that five minutes would be
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enough time for you to be able to pull off cross-examinations like this? >> i think i did. from being a professor in the classroom, i may have only a minute or two to ask a student the question. i am trying to probe are they prepared and have they mastered the concept. being in the classroom and asking students pointed questions and sometimes realizing the student doesn't know what they are talking about is good preparation for coming to congress. >> i have seen more hearings than i can remember and i have been marveling with what you have been accomplishing in taking this process so seriously. so many times in those hearing rooms, they are not very crowded. they are not a lot of you showing up and it's true that the hearings happen at competitive times. you will have two hearings scheduled at the same time and you have to pick one. there is a lot of other draws on freshmen and other members's time including fund-raising and spending a tremendous amount of their days out there fund-raising. it seems like this freshmen
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class is not devoted to fund-raising, using the time for fund-raising the way predecessors have. >> we were sent here because there are real concerns about what's happening in washington and how can we address the concerns by doing our constitutional duty by engaging in oversight and hearings are a tool to do that. fund-raising does not improve our government. asking questions does and listening to witnesses. i feel fortunate that i come into every hearing with a big banger. i read for two or three hours the night before and have been gratified that my freshmen said you are up next, i want to see what you have in store for me today. >> right. i have to say you strike me much more as a staff member than a member of congress and within the staff world of congress, that's the highest compliment you can give. what everyone knows is in general the staff knows a lot more than the office holder and in general any staff member who
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covers a certain area is way better informed. senate or house member. you come to this with your own body of knowledge. you pulled out your own text book in the video that we showed here last night and quoted your own text book to the trump administration official who didn't understand how to calculate interest rates. that are are that's why i came. i came to congress to use that knowledge. i think we are seeing that with a lot of freshmen. most of us have never been elected before and we don't know our job to sit quietly and give speeches. it's a hearing and these are witnesses and our job is to ask questions. we are bringing the knowledge that we have whether it's a job in finance or work as a professor or work as a teacher or nurse. we are bringing that knowledge about into the hearing room and it helps regular americans who are watching the hearings engage with what's going on. >> i can't think of a committee in the house that doesn't have some intersection with the trump
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business or trump interest. the new york state attorney general announced that she is going to investigate the trump business' relationship to deutsche bank. you are interested, the financial services committee is interested in the same target. where are you on the examination of deutsche bank and donald trump? >> maxine waters who leads our committee set out a thoughtful agenda and made clear that the president's relationship will be part of the committee's agenda. i expect a lot of fireworks at the hearing and i am going to come ready with questions when it happens and we will see the freshmen in general come ready with questions and trying to really understand what is happening here and engage the american people in understanding what's at stake in the president's dealings. this is an important part of the concerns we have with this presidency. >> from your perspective as a law professor, i want to get
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your reaction to what nancy pelosi said. her interview was given to the "washington post" last week. she was saying that she is not for impeachment. she is saying she wants to see a level of proof about the president and not only that, a bipartisan interest in pursuing impeachment. she wants to see republicans willing to pursue impeachment before she would be willing to pursue impeachment. your reaction to that? >> we have to see where the evidence is. announcing whether or not we are doing something is not being fully responsible to the american people. i have great confidence in the speaker to guide us forward in the right way. we cannot be undertaking impeachment for political purposes women have to be undertaking it because it's our constitutional duty. i can't assess that until i see the evidence. >> if you should not undertake it for political reasons, should you decide not to impeach for
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political reasons? >> if the evidence is grave enough, we have a duty to take action. >> no matter what the political actions look? >> correct. >> we will ton watch you and we will be watching your video. you are helping us not with video that is so watchable, but teaching lessons about how this government is supposed to work and why they voted. i have to tell you the response we get online from your appearances is inspirational and i appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> appreciate it. >> coming up, congresswoman a nana pressley is another impressive member. the first african-american woman elected from massachusetts. our first interview with ayanna pressley is next. with ayanna pressley is next h guarantee. so if you find your room at a lower rate, hilton is like... we're gonna match that rate and give you an extra 25% off. what would travel sites do if you found a different price? that's not my problem, it's your problem. book at hilton.com and get the hilton price match guarantee.
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on any of your calls with the attorney general, did you ask the attorney general to send you a letter requesting the addition of a citizenship question, yes or no? >> as i have said before, the content of my conversations with the attorney are confidential. >> it may be confidential, but it's not privileged. so again, more time, could you disclose what is the nature of your phone call with the attorney general if at any time you asked them to include the immigration question in the census. >> my answer is the same as what i gave you.
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>> we're are joined by one of the freshmen in the house of representatives who are changing how the trump administration is being held accountable. congressman a nyanna pressley. thank you very much for joining us. i appreciate having you here. >> thank you for having me. >> 6.5 hour hearing and you get your shot and you corner the secretary and he claims something that doesn't exist. he has no right to say, none of them do, that the communication is confidential. the administration seems to think there are rights that they don't have. >> well, this is the day of reckoning. under chairman cummings and under the previous -- when the democrats were not in the majority, oversight and reform were getting a pass. those days are over. >> can i cause for a minute? this hearing would never have occurred.
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not occurred if the republicans were in control. >> that's right. >> even if you had been elected into the minority, you wouldn't have had any minutes with wilbur ross. >> that's right. day of reckoning. chairman cummings said members of the oversight reform committee will be effective and in pursuit of the truth. we can attempt to do that as the committee and the collective. we were stonewalled at every turn. in fact this was incredibly frustrating for 6.5 hours when we can produce documents and video that showed that secretary ross was in contradiction with previous statements. that's a very serious thing. michael cohen perjured himself and he's going to jail. we don't take the contradictions and obstructions and the stonewalling lightly by any stretch of the imagination. i cornered him, but during that round of questioning, he said my
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time was up. i had to remind him that that was not up to him. that was up to the chair. >> i want to go to something that happened on the house floor. that looks extraordinary from the outside. 420-0 was the vote on the house floor saying that of course robert mueller's report should be released to congress and the public. were you surprise said there were zero votes against that? >> no. i consider myself to be an eternal optimist and many things we disagree on, but we collectively agree that the american people deserve to know the truth. that report should be made public. again, there are indicators and potentially of obstruction of justice and collusion and we won't know if it's substantiated or real. the american people deserve full transparency. >> i know you were running in massachusetts a gun legislation
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and safety issues were important to your campaign and ran into you one summer day in the middle of your campaign. you were behind in the polls and confident you were going to win and you did. the ruling in the sandy hook case saying that the gun manufacturers can be sued for the way they are both marketing and making these guns available to what turn out to be mass murderers. that is a big breakthrough in this field. >> absolutely. speaking of the massachusetts seven, gun violence is an issue of consequence. i am hardened and inspired by the hundreds of family members i met who suffered tragic loss and has become advocates in gun violence prevention and i want to make sure no family knows that hurt or ache. this is the year for accountability and it's an exciting precedent. we can't return the 26 souls, but i hope it puts them on a
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pathway to peace and healing and justice and it's encouraging. in the spirit of accountability, i actually when wells fargo was before the financial services committee, this was my line of questioning because unlike other banks that divested from gun manufacturers and the nra, wells fargo continues to invest and we took them to task on that. they should be held accountable for the contributing they are playing in this crisis. >> this proposal you have about voting that nancy pelosi has now endorsed. >> i myself personally and i am not speaking from my caucus, i have been for lowering the voter age to 16. it's important to catch kids when they are in high school and they are interested in all of this and learning about government to be able to vote. >> she was talking about you. she was actually asked about your proposal to lower the
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voting age to 16. now you have the speak or your side. >> yes, my first amendment i proposed for hr one. we proposed for the chairman, jim mcgovern there and we earned 126 votes on the record in support of lowering the voting age. i was very proud to have john lewis cast a vote in the affirmative for that and to learn today that our speaker is supportive. we advanced the debate and the conversation. this is as many people as we have been able to get on the record and on the issue. we weren't able to get it includ included, we will get on that. >> when it was lowered from 21 to 18, if you can draft men at 18 and send them off to vietnam too die, they should have a right to vote. it was a powerful moral argument. what's the argument to push it to 16? >> it's appropriate that it was
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ted kennedy who pro posed that. massachusetts is offering these amendments and i'm proud to keep the history going. in 2019, 16-year-olds are dealing with challenges and hardships and threats. we should show courage that is commiserate with what they are facing. they are leading on the threats to our society. gun violence prevention, climate change and so many other issues. they clearly already have a stake in this democracy and should be able to cast a ballot. >> you are making former staffers so proud because you are a former house of representatives staffer. former senate staffer and now you are in there asking questions. >> yes. it's a pleasure, thank you. >> appreciate it. >> coming up, this is one of the democrats who flipped a republican district to democratic on election night. he has become a powerful voice on capitol hill for human
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. i don't believe that he would have allowed that to happen. it wasn't to his advantage. i don't believe he knew about it. some really bat things happened to otto. he tells me he didn't know about it and i will take him at his word. >> the father of otto warmbier after his son died from torter in north korea. >> he's blind, his deaf, he's got a feeding tube. we kneeled down and hugged him and tried to connect with him and he's a complete vegetable. his bottom teeth look like they took a pair of pliars and rearranged them. otto was systematically tortured
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and intentionally injured by kim and his regime. this was no accident. >> shortly before otto warmbier died. from new jersey, the secretary of state from human rights and labor in the obama resolution in the house affirming that congress holds north koreans, kim jong un responsible for the death of otto warmbier. thank you very much for joining us. by explaining to the audience tonight, our connection going back to 1988 working at the same time for senator moynihan of new york. you were always working with human rights issues then. your career stayed on that focus and here you are now in your first year of service in the house. what was your reaction when you heard the president just acquit kim jong un and say he is
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innocent in the death of otto warmbier? >> disgraceful and part of a disgraceful pattern that he sides with powerful men accused of moral transgressions and bringing more pain to a family that suffered far too much pain. i think it's just another case where the united states congress has got to try to be an alternative voice for america in the world. congress has to step up and say what's right and what's wrong. what's true and what's false. i talked to a lot of republican colleagues in the last 48 hours on this issue and they agree. this is something we are going to be bipartisan about. >> your announcement said bipartisan. you believe you have republican votes lined up for your resolution. >> we are divided on so many things in the congress, domestic policy and foreign policy, but not a question like this. this is so fundamental. i think again it's just important that when the
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president goes off and says something or fails to say the right thing on behalf of the country, the congress step up and do their duty together. >> kevin mccarthy and what he said about this. >> doi not see the leader of north korea as someone who is a threat. we know what happened to otto. we know what this country has done. i support the president and his effort to denuclearize them, but i do not have a misbelief of who this leader is. >> do you think you will have kevin mccarthy's vote on something that rebukes president trump in. >> i hope so. it stands for what the united states believes in. say what you want about president trump. we need to speak for america. >> this will really be historic in so many ways. it's just beyond belief that the congress has to make this statement in reaction to a
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president saying this. if you are the who introduces the resolution, who finally finds the thing in which you can get republicans possibly even a majority of republicans in the representatives to vote against the president. >> it won't be the first time. we just did it on nato we overwhelmingly passed in the house of representatives not just a resolution but a binding piece of legislation that says you cannot pull the united states out of nato. when it comes to our basic values, our security in the world, who we stand with, who we stand against, i still think we're united in the congress. >> tom malnow ski, thank you for joining us tonight. this is an honor to have you in your first appearance here as a member of congress. >> it's my honor. >> coming up, another member of the freshman class in the house who helped flip control of the house, two democrats is congresswoman lucia mcbath. she did her first national tv interview on this program as a grieving mother who lost her son
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-while you ponder that, consider adopting a rescue pet. there are 6.5 million of them; they all need a forever home. it would mean the world to them, and they will love you forever. my son torn from my life, a victim of gun violence, a women have of a person with a gun how should never have received one. today i join my colleagues to prevent more families from facing the horror and heart break brought by gun violence. i'm honored to cosponsor this bipartisan legislation for my son jordan and for the safety of every family in this country. >> and joining us now is lucy
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mcbath. first of all, congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> it is so great to have you back on this program. what was that like to be standing in the well of the house of representatives and standing up to introduce your first bill and speaking for your son jordan at the same time. >> it was very surreal. i've been there you know in the gallery before watching other legislators put forth legislation and amendments and continuing resolutions but actually to be there myself as a policymaker when i've got o come to washington so many times before as an advocate for safer gun laws, to actually be the policymaker was i think my son would be so proud and all of work i've done with gun victims and survivors around the country, i felt the weight of all that on my shoulders. >> i'm sure did you. democrats, since up around 1994, have been kind of running away
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from guns in campaigns and running away from the issue because they felt they were hurt by it in the early '90s. and when they first time they lost the house of representativeses in 40 years, they attributed part of that to the nra and guns. you not only took it on in the campaign, you did it in i republican district. this was newt gingrich's district that you won this campaign in. it was a squeaker. it was close. but you didn't shy away from this issue. how did you appeal, you had to appeal to republican votes. how did you do that. >> well, i think that as a mother, there are families all over the country and most specifically in my district that they're very concerned about their children coming loam and talking about their lock down drills and i think that every person that i appealed to understood that that could also be their plight, as well. that there are no safe spaces in the country that gun violence is apparently everywhere and that i as a victim could speak great credibility as to wanting to
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really keep them safe, why it's important to do so. >> what advice do you have for democrats especially democrats now running for president, about how to speak to republican voters? because you had to convert republican voters in your district, some republican voters to vote democrat. probably some of them for the first time in their lives. >> basically i just told my story. i had been a single mother so i understood when we had that recession after september 11 and i took a hefty pay cut so i could speak very credibly to the tact that i had to decide what i could or could not afford to do anymore and still be able to make it every day. having been a two-time breast cancer survivor, i understand what it means to make sure that people have affordable health care and that people with pre-existing conditions like myself have the ability to have good treatment without high cost of that treatment. so my own lived experiences afforded me to be the face of the very thing that people in my
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district and around the nation are concerned about every single day. >> how do you do it? and by this i mean, how do you deal with the grief which i'm sure is still there of the loss of your son, something you didn't want to live to, you didn't want to be here, none of us do, and how do you live with that pre day going forward? >> i live with my grief by making sure that i'm fighting as hard as i can for the people that i live and work among every single day. for me, that is how i manage my grief to put myself forth for the sake of others. which is exactly what i was trying to teach my son to do as a human basically and so giving up myself, giving of my time and talent, all of my treasure trying to make sure i am making democracy better for those people that are really counting on democracy working for them. >> congresswoman lucy mcbath,
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thank you very much for joining us tonight. i am not among those who are surprised you are here now. it makes perfect sense to me. >> thank you so much. >> the honorable lucy mcbath gets tonight's last word. the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. >> on our post july 4th broadcast an in-depth look at the mueller report, the findings and warnings contained within the document including what's been largely ignored. >> we'll look back at the advanced spin from the attorney general and the words of the special counsel himself. robert swan mueller iii. and what this all means for donald trump and his presidency. is the threat russia still poses to our democracy and our next presidential election and the independence of the american system of justice. all of it as this is special edition of the 11th hour" begins now. greetings once again from our nbc news headquarters here

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