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show later on in the week if possible. >> thank you. >> i appreciate your time. thank you for watching this hour. i'll and that over to chris jensen in new york after a busy 60 minutes here in washington. >> to say the least. i am in for craig melvin here at msnbc headquarters here in new york. giving him cover at a news conference just moments ago where republican leaders in congress defend the president and those tweets about four democratic congress women that have been condemned as racist. their argument for why they say it isn't. plus, making his play as the president continues to publicly attack those female members of congress. his campaign today is launching its big effort to win over women voters. and he's doing it in one of the areas where donald trump upset hillary clinton in 2016. and shameful and damaging, that's how joe biden describes the president's controversial comments as he sits down with msnbc for a wide-ranging interview. he also had a lot to say about his democratic rivals and his last debate performance. so we'll get to all of that.
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but we start with the breaking news. in just the past half hour, the leaders of the republican party in the house with a chance to have a thought-out answer to the very serious questions raised by president trump's attacks on a group of their progressive colleagues in congress, all four women of color. here's kevin mccarthy flat out denying this is racism. >> were the president's tweets that said go back racist, yes or no? >> no. i do not believe the speaker fortunate hot house was racist last week had those individuals on her side of the aisle who are claiming the president was racist when they claimed she was racist either. i do not believe that. i believe this is about ideology. let's not be false about what is happening here today. this is all about politics and beliefs of ideologies of what individuals have. >> now, aside from any prepared statements or comments, this raises questions about many members of the republican party. are they supporting the president's comments publicly out of political expediencesy?
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has the president unleashed a sentiment in them that's been there all along? is their silence complicity? this controversy is one the president doesn't seem to want to let go. and of course started with a series of tweets on sunday, but it didn't stop there. he went off yesterday at the white house claiming that this group of congresswomen hate america. and just this morning he wrote, our country is free, beautiful, and very successful. if you hate our country or if you are not happy here, you can leave. we break it all down with nbc's kelly o'donnell at the white house. susan page, washington bureau chief for usa today. kimberly atkins, correspondent for wbar, and an msnbc contributor. medically and jennifer paul mary, former white house communications director under president obama. jennifer, i'm going to start with you. look, we know these go back, comments are a painful throwback
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to the worst of american history. can republicans defend them by trying to say this is not about race, this is about politics and policy? the things like, i mean whether you heard elizabeth cheney come out she was talking about abortion and immigration. >> right. i don't think they can separate them because i don't think the president wants them to be separated. i think the president wants this fight to be about race. and i think if kevin mccarthy didn't actually believe that president's tweets, racist, he would not have waited three days to come out to defend him. i mean, it's clear that they came out to defend the president today because they felt that a political obligation do so. but i don't -- >> the president of the united states is more popular with the republican base than most members, individual members of congress. >> yes. and they continue to be bankrupt of any ideas of policy that will -- that would put them in a better standing with voters and so they continue to default to defending the president. but i don't actually think, you know, the president himself
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doesn't want this to be about ideology and policy, he wants it to be about race. he wants -- so i don't think that the republicans in congress are going succeed in diverting the voters' attention from that piece. >> you make the point it took three days for them, this is normally when they do that press conference, but melanie, let's talk about what you're hearing. some people have been critical of the president's comments, 26 or so, but the majority have been silent or supportive. is this political expediencesy or are we seeing real agreement with these kinds of statements? >> it's interesting because even though we have seen over a dozen members come out against this, we are not expecting many to vote for that resolution today condemning the president's tweets. number one, democrats on theed to include the word racist instead of going with a more straightforward approach when they thought would attract maybe more republicans. but number two, republicans are still so terrified of crossing
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president trump. they do not want a pro-trump primary challenge, they don't want a nasty tweet from the president. again, the president came out tweeting this morning making very clear to republicans not to vote for this sending a clear warning shot. and look no further than mitch mcconnell who has been silent on this issue. he is someone in a red state that is where the president is more popular than mitch mcconnell. and he has not come out and said anything about this because there's really no political upside for him to do that. it's all pain, no gain for republicans and that is why we are expecting a very tepid response from republicans tonight. >> kimberly, you were in the room for the news conference with omar, lort, and talib. >> this president operates in complete bad faith. he did not operate in good faith. weak minds and leaders challenge loyalty to our country in order
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to avoid challenging and debating the policy. >> back to the point that jennifer first made, it's one thing to attack progressive policies and you is can have a disagreement about medicare for all. you can have a disagreement about whether immigrants should have -- anyone who comes into this country should have full coverage for healthcare. but that's not what we're seeing, is it? >> no, it's not. and that's what makes it very difficult for leader mccarthy to make his argument that this is about policy. we have never seen in the country people who differ on different sides of a policy, one charges the other with saying, well, if you don't like then leave the country. as you said, that is something that has been used in racist comments that go back to the founding of this nation. so it is without question that that is what this was about. it's really interesting that republicans are so afraid of president trump's supporters
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that they can't say that something is racist when it's clearly racist. yesterday was an exercise of seeing people twist themselves into pretzels to try to condemn it up to a point and say things like they crossed the line, language used by senator collins and romney and not come right out and say this. and if that's the reason why they can't join a resolution, and there were to resolutions that are being floated. the one that is offered by leadership is far less -- has far less strong language than another one being offered by steve cohen which really calls out the president precisely for his statements. but they can't even back the much softer language one, then that's really a problem for republicans heading into 2020. >> we've been here before, susan, and i want to read a paragraph from something you wrote today. we've seen this movie before. a controversy rages but is overtaken by a provocative presidential tweet sparking a new round of outrage from
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democrats which draws an unrepented response from the white house. will this time end any differently? i mean, i think this is something that's been raised before, but this is so right on to this question. have we become so immune to these kinds of things being said, these kinds of actions being taken, where are we? i mean, have the democrats learned anything about how to handle it or is it more what the republicans have learned is that there is no consequence for supporting the president in something like this. but a consequence from going against him. >> you know, compare this to what happened almost exactly two years ago after the charlottesville protest and counterprotest when the president said that there were fine people on both sides. and it caused enormous firestorm, irn clueding from republicans, including some republican congressional leaders. we saw much less protest this time around to the president's
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comments that are arguably more inflammatory, the idea of taunting four women of color who have been elected members of congress to go back where they came from. >> which by the way in the case of three of them being born in the united states, let's be clear, the other fled a very desperate situation in somalia and has been an american citizen since she was a teenager. >> and not only did the president survive that charlottesville controversy, he is in stronger control of the republican party now which i think accounts for the even more tepid response we hear from republicans. and, in fact, yesterday we heard the president embrace this as a political plus when he was asked at the white house in if his tweet was racist, he said no, and many people agree with me. i think the white house believes this is an issue that will paint democrats as the party of minorities, of socialism, of -- and to solidify the president's already pretty formidable hold on his political base. >> there were people, kelly
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o'donnell, in the white house back in charlottesville who were critical of what the president had to say. i'm thinking in particular of gary cohen who was his top economic adviser at the time who said that we should be more unequivocal in condemning these kinds of groups. but you have a very different staph at the white house now. >> there is some difference. there have been a couple of developments. some new things to tell you about from the white house here. we just had a conversation with kellyanne conway, counselor to the president, who defended him of course, as you would expect, said it was not racist. ed is the word racist is being so overused it's having less impact on people in areas where she says real racism exists. i also asked her about the president's responsibility given his office and the leadership that comes with it to have a better message when it comes to these issues. and she talked about knowing him in private and never, she claims, ever having heard him say something that was racially insensitive or offensive or racist and arguing that point.
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and also talking about the policy things he has done in terms of the economy on behalf of persons of color in this country. at the same time, she delivered a blistering attack on the four women congress members talking about the need for fact checks on their public statements and their policy positions. in just these few minutes with kellyanne conway here on the north lawn driveway, it was almost the strategy book for how this is a part of the president's message and his campaign. important to remember, two of the four women congress members are from michigan and minnesota. one state the president won narrowly, michigan. minnesota, a state that's on his target list to try to win in 2020. so there is a home state message in some of the fire from the president and his allies. it is really striking today how as this has settled in and strong opinions all across the
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country about the conduct of the president, his tweets, his message are being discussed in a political lens, how people feel about it personally. there is clearly strategy evolving here at the white house. to fight this and to fight it making these four congresswomen the face of the democratic party. so it is a case where the president has got fierce defenders here who, with the heat in washington and the heat politically, they're turning it up a notch. >> jennifer, you've seen this news before. you saw it used with birtherism, with president obama. you saw it in hillary clinton's campaign. what should democrats do besides what they're doing already some should they be more clear, more unequivocal? are they playing into his hands by even putting so much attention on this? should they be the ones who are saying he's trying to divert attention from what the very real issues are here? let's talk about the policies
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that we have. how do you -- how do you deal with something that clearly is not going to change and which history has suggested has been successful for him? >> successful for him up to a point, right? it was not successful in 2018. in 2018 he tried to make all the debate up to the midterms about the caravan, remember that? >> yep. >> and tried to scare voters into voting for republicans. and that failed pretty badly. so he is, you know, he's trying again to have a surrogate fight. at some point there will be a democratic nominee who he will be going up against. in the meantime he's trying to have a surrogate fight in using the four congresswomen as a standin for that. i think democrats have to do do two things. we can't control what he does and we have to respond and call out racist rhetoric and policies that he has and we have to do that and you can't be scared do that. at the same time i think you can say there's a lot of anger in this country, he's -- by these
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racist -- by the racist tweets, by what he says. but at the same time he's not doing anything to help make your life better and make both arguments. and, you know, he's going -- i understand that this is what he wants to make 2020 about, this is what he wants to do. and democrats are just going to have to -- you can't run from that fight, you have to take it on. and america's going to have to decide what kind of country it wants to be. we've seen what this president is capable of and that's -- and if they want to choose four more years of that, then it's a very different country than what i -- than what i believe it is. >> kimberly, the comments by the president, as we have pointed out several times, do have a long distasteful history and katy rogers writes a piece i recommend to everyone about that history in the "new york times." the president's word reflected a love it or leave it sentiment that experts say has animated a sense of xenophobia since the dawn of the republican. for african americans the idea of returning to africa originally advocated by some
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whites as a better alternative than servitude now persists as an angry slur. so this is a persistent question for this president. is what we're seeing pure, unadulterated racism or just pure unadulterated politics? >> i think he has politicized racism. and this is something that isn't new for this president from birtherism through the charlottesville comments that you talked about to campaigning to keep muslims out of the country. he has portrayed others, usually people who are brown, who come from nations that he calls "s" hole countries as unamerican. and he sees that as a political advantage. >> let's remember had is somebody who start the out his campaign for president by suggesting that mexicans were rapists. >> right. and suggesting that the president of the united states was not born here. so this is -- this is an m.o. that he is clearly established.
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and as for the idea of, you know, go home, yeah, this was an issue in -- during times of slavery and discussion by abolitionists as to what do with black people if they were free. but speaking as somebody who has been on the receiving end of go back to comments for most of my life and i'm tenth generation or more born here in america, it's just racism at this point. it's embedded in our history, but there's no way to frame this in any other way but racism. >> and i think what sparked this article, i don't know for sure, but it seems like what may have partially sparked this article by katy rogers in the "new york times" std this they were just overwhelmed by personal stories from people like you who have said this is something i've had to live with my whole life. so you have this huge important conversation that we're having right now that there also is obviously, susan, the political conversation of this which is
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the democrats, has this had the net effect of putting this group, what we've talked a lot about the progressives and how there's this disagreement with 2020's only going to be won down the middle by uniegt both of those components in the democratic party? >> you know, the president's tweets had one effect which was to unite the congressional democrats back together. we'll see if this holds as they vote this evening on this resolution condemning the president. but even yesterday at the press conference by the four members of the congress, you heard some subtle hints at nancy pelosi and the democratic establishment. you heard congresswomen presley say we're not just four votes, we represent more people than that that. was a comment that speaker pelosi made famously to the "new york times." and it's also pushed democrats to accept the fact that they need to stand behind these four congresswomen. that too to some degree at least
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at the moment they are the face of the democratic party and in some districts having members of congress who embrace socialism, for instance, the green new deal, medicare for all is not a good position for democrats in some of these swing districts to take. >> susan page, kelly odan don knoll, kimberly atkins, jim palmieri, thanks to all of you. great conversation. coming up, interesting timing. just as the president's feud with the four congresswomen etion escalates, his re-election campaign is pushing off to woo female voters in a ground critical to whether he wings wins back the white house. plus tough talk from joe biden in a wide-ranging new interview on this network. he talks about his new healthcare plan, his dustup with rivals and he had an awful lot to say about the current occupant of the white house. >> it's not only shameful, it's incredibly damage. the only way he can stay in power is divide america.
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the one presidential candidate who has managed to stay on the top of every poll since the day e announced is facing some tough questions in an interview right here on msnbc this morning. former vice president joe biden sat down with my colleague to talk about everything from his debate reviews to his thoughts on the president's attacks on a group of progressive congresswomen.
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the interview comes on a day when biden is singularly focussed on iowa. and road warrior garrett haake is in hawaii where the former vice president is going to take the stage in about an hour. we said he's at the top of all the polls. on the other hand, he's been dropping in the polls, most of the polls since the debate. let's start with that. what did he have to say about his performance in the nbc debate? >> reporter: well, chris, so much of this race and particularly the way joe biden has run it has been on strength and the perception of strength. the idea that he is singularly well fitted to take on donald trump in a general election. but a lot of people looked at that debate performance, particularly the back and forth with kamala harris as a bit shaky. to me the most interesting part of that interview this morning was biden pushing back on the idea that he might have a glass jaw in the debate stage. watch how he dealt with these questions. >> i realize that some have concluded that because i didn't respond very tough back to her
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that how i can take on trump? i have never had any trouble taking on anyone from trump to putin to xi jinping or anybody else. so it's not -- >> but what do you do? you make it to the general, you're on the debate stage, he's lying. he's saying we're doing great. that's his brand. we're stronger than ever. he starts making fun of your age. >> i say come on, donald, come on, man. how many pushups you want to do here, pal, jokingly. you know, come on, run with me, man. it's like i was in a parade in independence, missouri, a fellow from independence was a trump supporter said, hey, sleepy joe. i said come run with me, jack. come on, man. oh, no, no, no. look, people -- i don't his -- i'm not going to get down in the dirt with him. that's the only place he knows how to fight. >> chris, the image of the two candidates engaging in a pushup contest on the debate stage not withstanding, you did hear the
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vice president in that interview saying he knows essentially that he has to be better prepared. he was not expecting the attack he's saw it from kamala harris. that's something that he'll have to address before the next debate in a couple of weeks. >> let's talk about the immediate political reality before the next debates show up. newer iowa. he's got a bunch of stops over next 24 hours. talk a little bit about today anderson the pa and the path going forward. >> he's been rolling out his healthcare plan which is building on obamacare. sort of his antidote or his opposite to medicare for all. he's come out pretty aggressively against the medicare for all plans that have been pushed by some of his more progressive rivals selg telling a group of seniors if you vote for medicare for all, you're basically voting to get rid of medicare as we know it. might the new plan be better? it might. but it might also be worse. he's proposing building on affordable care act, adding a public option to, making other changes to make plans more affordable for more folks and
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bring down the coast of prescription drugs. i suspect her in rural iowa where we'll be today and tomorrow we'll hear more about access to healthcare in these rural parts of the state. but very healthcare focus dollars and attempting to provide an alternative for more conservative or moderate democratic voters who are put off by the idea of a medicare for all plan, of a complete remaking of the healthcare system in this country. chris. >> garrett ach in iowa where he spent more than a few days over the left several months. thank you, garrett, much appreciated. coming up r, a new poll we' doing. is that candidate in trouble. plus, a troubling trend for nearly half the democratic field who looks to be facing a financial doomsday scenario that could force them out of the race. o that could force them out of the race for your heart...
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you can pretty much bet it's a good day in the campaign headquarters of senator kamala harris after a new poll gives her a big bounce in new hampshire. barely trailing joe biden. but where harris moves up, one of the early leaders slips down. the same college poll poll puts bernie sanders in fifth place, just above the formerly unknown andrew yang.
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joining me now is the white house chief of staff jim acena. and emily is a host brand-new podcast, your primary playlist which debuted today. congrats on that. jim, it's early but there's a pretty big distinction when you look at the leaders and the waggers. 20% of new hampshire voters like biden, less than 10% back bernie. this is not first poll we've seen him slide in. and this is a state where he beat hillary clinton in the primary with 60% of the vote. what do you make of these results in new hampshire? >> boy, they're a real problem for senator sanders. there's a state he won in 2016, it's a state he almost has to win given the early primary calendar. it's a state that -- he's from vermont right next door. it's a state where he has a bunch of advantages. and the fact that he's sliding this early sis a relevant warnig
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sign, a sign that elizabeth warren is hurting him in the national polls. she too is a next-door state candidate and her numbers are starting to come right out of his in a way that helps vice president biden. if you're bernie sanders, as you know, chris, i don't like polls, but this is a sign very earl that i they got to think about what they're doing and what their approach to this race is because they're not catching on. >> yeah, they're not lacking money, which is not the case for a lot of other people, emily. these fundraising numbers, take for example sound south bend, indiana, mayor pete buttigieg who amassed a small fortune. and then beto o'rourke, 3.4 billion raised in the second quarter. he raised almost twice that much in his first day, very telling there. and his burn rate, which is the money raised versus the men spent was 146%. how does he rebound from that position? >> yeah, i think what that says is whatever his strategy is kind of not working. it's not resonating because it's
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not for a lack of spending the money. i think at that point i think the raised dollars, the spend dollars are important, but also the cash on hand. how much they have overall. what's what that's going to tell us is how long can they day in this race? people don't drop out of the race because they're not feeling it anymore, people encourage them. the only reason they drop out of race is because they've run out of money. even sanders is slipping in the polls, still has a lot of money. >> he's not going anywhere for a while. >> and what we've seen from 2016 is he doesn't mind be being a spoiler in the race so he will stay in for a long time as long he's still has that money rolling? >> beto o'rourke is not alone. 11 presidential candidates spent more than they raised in the second quarter of the year. how much will a financial squeeze do you think win over the field and pretty early on? >> i think you're exactly right. it's going to win over the field very, very quick. money in a president dhchaz rac is oxygen. and they're going to run out of oxygen if they can't stay competitive. some of these candidates are spending historic amounts of
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money. elizabeth warren spent $11 million in this quarter and, you know, the question will be what she has to show for it. going forward beto's betting heavily on the field campaign and is putting all of his money into a field campaign. probably a smart bet if you're him. but some of these other candidates have got to start, you know, saving these resources. part of the- -- >> isn't the problem with that, jim, isn't the problem for most people who aren't biden or bernie, they need the name recognition so they're really just trying to get their name out there, they're trying to have people start to feel comfortable with them. i guess, you tell me, you're the one who's the campaign expert, but the political calculation inside is unless we get more people to understand who we are, what we stand for early, beer not going to make we're not goi make it to the first vote in iowa, to the first caucus? >> yes and no. you've got to have good debates and be on debate stage and find a way to catch fire.
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i'm skeptical about a bunch of spending this early especially on tv and other things. you have to look at some of the spending. emily had it right earlier. you care more about what you have in the bank than you do what you've already spent. and the new calendar of the democrats enacted, moving california and texas up early to right after the first four states makes money even more important than it's ever been in a democratic primary. you're going to need 100 to $150 million to compete in california and texas, new hampshire, iowa, and nevada. and those are just huge numbers for some of these candidates who are spending unprecedented amounts of money this early. you know, people got to put some money in the piggy bank because the big spending's coming up very soon. >> which i'd say it's even more than just getting your name out is where they want to be spending the money, it's the september democratic debate. if they can't get on you that stage with the new threshold of 130,000 individual donors, you're basically not a serious
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candidate. where a lot of kpabs are spending tons of money, up to $40 a person to acquire new low-dollar donors just to be able to hit that threshold. someone like beto who has a huge massive list to call from and fund raise from, he can put money into field. but most candidates have to spend their money acquiring small-dollar donors at this point. >> it will be very interesting to see if we have, for example, say -- well, who we have on stage together in the next debate. but in september we may be looking at a fairly small, i think if you look at some analysis, six to eight people may be on that debate stage make that level in september. but i want to play something that joe bind was asked and we were playing a little more of the interview earlier, why hasn't president obama endorsed him. jim, i want to get your reaction to his answer to that question. >> because i've asked him not to do that. i don't want to put him in that
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spot and i want to earn this on my own. and this will be -- this is not a -- this is not a third term of obama, this is the -- the world's changed. it's zblirch what do you think about that, jim? and also by extension as this goes on, what the former president's role can and should be in this campaign? >> well, first president obama said from the very beginning and he's met with almost all the candidates and just given them some friendly advice, he's going to stay out of this primary and let the democrats decide. >> yeah. so in other words joe biden didn't need to ask him not to endorse? >> correct. but it's a respectful thing for the former vice president to do. >> yes. >> it's very not surprising. president obama's role is going to be twofold, i think. first, i'm sure you're going to see him, you know, say to all the candidates, let's stay positive here. let's focus on our message, not hammer each other, wait for the general election. and then he'll remind democrats how important this election is and why turnout's absolutely
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crucial. as you know, in a race in 2016 we lost by 78,000 votes in three states. turnout is going to be incredible -- >> not that that still keeps you up at night. >> right. not that i'm still bitter, 'cause i am. but democrats have just got to stay focused on beating donald trump and turning out our voters. and think that's a natural role for barack and michelle obama and i think that's a role you'll like lie see them play. >> jim, always good to see you. emily, good luck with primary playlist an thanks so much for kouth as well. still ahead, it's a key voting block that helped propel republicans democrats to victory in 2018. women helping to sway voters with the president's daughter-in-law leading the push. what argument account president make to the majority of women who just don't approve of the job he's doing? e job he's doing because sometimes inner peace requires a little external soundproofing.
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elizabeth warren talk about trump. let's listen. >> is the president racist? >> look at his remarks. he's made racist remarks and he's been racially hateful to people. that's what matters. >> but is he racist? >> i don't have to look at his heart, that's not the point. he behaves -- look at what he's done. it's racist what he's done over and over. it's not the first time. >> are you disappointmented that the house is not moving forward with impeachment proceedings? the speaker has been resistant to this? >> i never expected to call for impeachment, but i read the 448 pages of the mueller report, i got to the end and it was perfectly clear to me that it proved three things. the first is that a hostile foreign government attacked our 2016 election for the purposes of helping donald trump. second, is that the donald trump and the donald trump campaign welcomed that help. and third, when the united states government tried to
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investigate it, he did everything he could to obstruct justice. it's all there in every detail, every footnote, it's documented. and for me, that was it. at that point, it's clear that he has committed impeachable offenses. and this isn't about politics. this is about what it means to be president of the united states. no one is above the law and that includes the president of the united states. and i believe everyone has to step up on that and vote on it. >> senator, your thoughts -- >> that's our constitutional responsibility. >> healthcare plan. >> senator, what's your reaction to the department of justice not bringing charges in the death of eric garner? >> so i think that's been a mistake. and i -- what worries me is that the current department of justice has very much changed positions from where it was during the obama administration and moved away from enforcing the law and making sure that
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people are held accountable. that's the job of the department of justice. but that changed as soon as donald trump came into office and it's no longer the case. >> he said if you like it you can keep it? >> senator elizabeth warren in the halves congress at her day job off the campaign trail at least for a little while. but reflecting what we have heard consistently from other democrats running for president, that what the current occupant of 1600 pennsylvania avenue has said is racially hateful. what he has done, she says, is racist. and it's interesting timing. his attacks on four women of color, members of congress, and what's happening today. because right now in battleground pennsylvania, president trump's campaign is kicking off what could ultimately be his single most important effort if he's going to win re-election. his daughter-in-law and senior campaign adviser lara trump just launched women for trump, a group with the uphill battle of winning over suburban women
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voters. >> they keep saying that women won't support donald trump. but i have women come up to me all the time wanting to talk about voting for donald trump. now, most of the time they would say, i'm going to vote for donald trump. >> this group definitely has its work cut out for them. he an online poll out just last month found 62% of female registered voters said they were unlikely to support trump's re-election. joining me now nancy cook and susan dell percentio, political analyst. there's a large group of women who's minds are definitely made up, republican women in particular, susan, who say i voted for the president, i'm sticking with the president, but are there people -- is the job of this group just to keep them happy together giving donations or are there women on the fence who might be persuaded to vote for donald trump? >> it's very early to say, listen, at this point i would have said four years ago or
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three years ago dump would never win. >> but he was a blank slate there then. >> yes. >> policiwise. now women can look and see. >> there was the access hollywood tape that came out before the election, women had an idea of what he was. but you're right. now that people have had a chance to see what donald trump has done as president and how he continues picking fights with women, how he shows a complete lack of empathy or respect for this office. >> how he has separated children from their migrant zblortmother. the insults he's hurled at his foes, there's a whole list of things. >> if you look at the 2018 election results, it's clear that suburban women have abandon trump. can these women get him back? i'm pretty sure that having your daughter or the girlfriend of one of your sons out there on the trail isn't necessarily the best way to persuade women. but there will be those women who are there for the president and no candidate should attack them personally.
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and i see it very hard path for donald trump to pick up additional independent suburban women. >> traditional thinking would lead one to believe that i think that's so true. on will other hand, nancy, i think it's fascinating that lara just said a lot of women will come up to her and whisper to her supporting donald trump. dined hear from a lot of democrats out there who are so stunned by what happened the last time around are worried that there are a lot of people out there who would never say it to a pollster, but who are whispering, i actually support donald trump. what do you think? >> well, i think that what the campaign is counting on is that there are some policy achievements that president trump has and the state of the economy and that that will help drive women to the polls and women who support him. you know, the unemployment rate is low. i think that they're banking on that staying there. >> economic message, right, at the center of this --
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>> right. and there's a whole bunch of women, particularly evangelical women who have been very pleased with the supreme court appointments. you know, they are antiabortion and they want judges who will take that stance. and, you know, they're just rolling back of obama-era regulations which some republican women felt like there was a big government overreach during the obama administration. and i think that what the trump campaign is, you know, trying to hold on to is basically saying, you know, ignore the tweets, ignore some of the racist rhetoric, ignore the trolling on twitter, look at the policies. i think that's the argument that they're trying to make to female voters. >> it wasn't coincidental this they brought up abortion today when they were talking about their response to the preside president's attacks on these four members of congress. you wrote a book called the next trump family business, 2020 re-election. i'm going to quote you here. aechb even as the kpan sets up
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with staff, lawyers, communication operatives, trump family members were named the people the president trusts the most. and so we're looking at a very different campaign. this is not going to be a rag tag operation. they are raising phenomenal amounts of money. it's hard to look beyond the trump family as the core of everything that's happening, right? >> they really are. and you know in the white house which i cover day to day, you've really seen the portfolios of ivanka trump and jared kushner only grow. they're both responsible for so much both internal policiwise, public facing, and on the campaign it's very similar. jared kushner is really like a peer with brad parse cal, the campaign manager in terms of strategy in helping to run things behind the scenes. don junior is taking an increasingly large role in terms of headlining his own fundraisers, raising money, doing a lot of the campaigning to the base, to college kids, you know, lara trump is today
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unveiling this women for trump in pennsylvania. i think we will see the campaign even more so than 2016 be a family affair. it's so interesting to me becauseresign or leave at the two and a half year mark we are seeing the family prominence take hold in the white house and seeing that in the campaign as well. >> susan and nancy, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. up next amid the outcry of the conditions inside the facilities housing migrants, one official overseeing one of the most controversial centers is talking in an exclusive interview with nbc news, why he is disputing reports of what is going on inside. of what is going on inside. to nowhere. but perhaps this year, a more exhilarating endeavor awaits. defy the laws of human nature,at the summer of audi sales event. get exceptional offers now.
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u.s. border patrol on defense this morning amid the ongoing controversy at some u.s. detention facilities. those scathing reports about unlivable conditions. well, now a key border patrol official from one of those controversial centers is talking to nbc's gabe gutierrez who joins us from el paso. gabe, what definite to tell you? >> reporter: hi there, chris. we spoke with aaron hall, the chief border patrol agent of the el paso sector that runs from the new mexico to the arizona state line, deep into texas. he is disputing those accounts. even after all the reporting and immigration attorneys were in the clint border patrol station which had those allegations of unsan terri conditions and overcrowding in "the new york
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times" and el paso times report describing the unsanitary conditions in detail. he did tell us he disputes that. take a listen. even at this point, you still dispute the characterization of the care that these children were receiving inside the clint facility? >> absolutely. we have added showers and lou d laundry facilities and clean clothing for them to wear. >> reporter: should this not have been added months ago before it got that bad? >> we have a entire contract in agreement. the illegal trafficking is ahead of our ability to respond. >> the chief border patrol for the el paso sector. this is another one of the facilities here. the number of migrant children has dropped dramatically the last couple of weeks and the reason is who you talk to. border patrol say it's due to increased security on the mexico side and they might argue policy
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changes and trump administration says it might be due to the hot on weather months. i spoke with chief hall about those asylum policy changes now. the trump administration announcing and making it harder for central americans to seek asylum in the u.s. he thinks those policy changes will reduce the flow of migrants to the southern border but critics of those changes plan to challenge them in court. >> gabe gutierrez, great interview. thank you so much. my colleague andrea mitchell discusses the president's attacks against the democratic congresswomen of color with congressman and civil rights icon john lewis. d civil rights icon john lewis. red dress on the first day - bold move. same red dress today - even bolder.
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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. andrea mitchell reports starts now. hey, andrea. >> thank you. united front nancy pelosi plans a vote tonight condemning the president's attacks on the four newly elected congresswomen of color. the speaker telling the fellow democrats "they are our sisters." >> the recent tweets and word from the president are a continuation of his racist phobic playbook. >> i want to tell children across this country is that no matter what the president says, this country belongs to you. and it belongs to everyone. >> given

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