omar has a history of launching vicious anti-semitic screams. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." when republicans saw that display in north carolina this week and the backlash their original response was to scramble for an excuse. i mean, that display clearly looks bad, like reminds one of bad, bad. and they hit the air waves to do some serious spinning pretending that what you saw in that tape was not donald trump launching and then luxuating in a racist
attack, to chant the equivalent of the old racist meme send her back to africa. what donald trump was really doing was resetting the debate in some kind of three dimensional chess resetting the 2020 election to be about the four black and brown bad congresswomen being socialists. boom. check mate, trump wins. but what actually happened and what republicans know happened and what made them freak out is that that racist chant changed the entire terms of the 2020 debate. because donald trump didn't call congresswoman omar and the others socialists or communists in his attack on them. he didn't attack the new deal or their support for medicare or all or any policy that the right is planning to label. he didn't say anything about policy. he attacked only one thing about
them. their racial ethnic backgrounds. that's why republicans panicked this week. let me do something i don't normally do here anymore and read trump's tweet. so interesting to see progressive democrat congresswomen who originally came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world if they even have a functioning government at all. now loudly and viciously telling the people of the united states the greatest and most powerful nation on earth how our government is to be run. why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. then come back and show us how it is done. these places need your help badly. you can't leave fast enough. the countries that they came from. well, they're all american citizens and this is their country. donald trump launched a straight up no chaser racist attack on these four women. now, this past week i called trump the ultimate bbq becky
because what he did was really no different from this. >> are you a citizen? >> yes. that. >> don't you know the rules? >> what is your problem sf what is your problem? >> they need to go back to their country. it's illegal. >> your staff is speaking spanish to customers when they should be speaking english. >> every person i listen to, this is america. my guess is they're not documented so my next call is to ice to get them out of my country. >> except none of those people are president of the united states. what donald trump did was to reset the terms of the 2020 election. now the question on the table will be what the charlotte observer's editorial board asked quote, are you okay with a racist president, republicans? those are the new terms of the 2020 election. they can never again pretend that economic anxiety had
anything to do with it. that vote will be a clear answer that yes, republicans are fine with having a racist president. whoever the democratic nominee is is going to be pitching all kinds of ideas whether it's on health care or the environment and immigration reform and donald trump will be running on this. >> tonight i have a suggestion for the hate filled extremists who are constantly trying to tear our country down. they never have anything good to say. that's why i say hey, if they don't like it, let them leave. let them leave. >> so that's it. that's trump's 2020 campaign. you either want this. >> i am releasing a new plan to start closing the wealth gap. >> when i am president of the united states we will end mass incarceration as we know it. >> i have a proposal to build over 3 million new housing units here in america. >> or you can have this. >> they're always telling us how
to run it, how to do this, how to -- you know what? if they don't love it, tell them to leave it. >> you can have this. >> i would do several things starting with something we should have done a long time ago which is to pass the equal rights amendment. finally in this country. and also pursue legislation so that women are paid equal pay for equal work in this country. >> i will also immediately put in place a meaningful process for reviewing the cases for asylum. i will release children from cages. i will get rid of the private detention centers. >> or this. >> when mexico sends its people they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists are very bad people. you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. >> wouldn't you love to see one
of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now. out, he's fired. he's fired. >> that's it. 2020 is going ton re be real si. former acting attorney general of the united states. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> i want to start -- i think first of all the issue of 2020 was really complicated before. it was about do you want the green new deal or other things. donald trump really wiped that off the table. no one cares now at this point what it is that these women's differences were with the leadership on this issue or that issue. it's literally saying this is a white country. if you don't love trump and you don't love white get out. >> i think this says something about trump and something about the republican party that's remaining. we've all known this guy is a racist. this is not surprising.
everything from both sides to his history in the 1970s and the like. i don't think this means he's some genius by discovering that he can prey on racial divisions. it's just the other politicians had some moral compass no matter how much they wanted to win they didn't go and shatter everything and destroy the country -- try and destroy the country in the process, but this person is content to win at all costs preying on the insecurities and racial divisions that have plagued this country from its original founding. so that's one thing. and then on the republican party, that's the surprising thing to me. i mean, this is the party of reagan. this used to stand for something, not just policies but principles and now it has just become the trumplican party. they do not have any moral compass left. they have zero. they don't have a policy to run on anymore. they can't point to some big success except a trillion dollar
deficit for the first time in this country's history. they've got racism and build the wall which they couldn't even get that passed. >> the reality is, you know, republicans are in a spot, right, democrats have had these people too. these people have existed for a long time. they've been here for hundreds of years, probably always going to be here. when democrats had them they had to pander to the racists in the party. they had to compromise in what you put in the new deal. when democrats had them they had to deal with them. now republicans have a party that's almost entirely white and in order to win elections with a party that's shrinking in numbers they need to get more white people out to vote and it's weird to me that the si sumpgs of how this works is this works. so i wonder if that, you know, kind of frightens you just as an american. brown person and black person. i've heard go back to your
country. i've heard get out and go back to africa. heard all that stuff. what does it tell you as an american about this country that one party has presumed that their only option is that? >> yeah, so i mean, i -- one reason i wanted to be on your show is to talk about this because i do think that this is a pervasive feature of growing up with brown skin. i think it's going to fail and i think it's going to fail miserably and it's going to be painful in the process but the end result is good. starting at three one of my earliest memories was someone knocking on the door of my mom's car and screaming at her saying go back to your own country and i experienced that all the time growing up. my mom laughed when this happened and i think that was a very common reaction was you just laughed it off and said this is, you know, a joke. and it is a joke when you think about it that the president is saying all this stuff. i mean, he's become a joke, a parody of himself but he was of
course the president of the united states and not some ron dom person in a parking lot. i think for every time that happens and i get an e-mail literally every day that saw go back to your country. they usually think it's pakistan because they can't figure out where i'm actually from. i get so many messages back that say thank you you, thank you, this is what the country is about and i do think there's something profound about the immigrant experience in this country. you love it even more. my dad flew the flag every day because they know how great this country is and what the moral core of most of the people are and trump can prey on the others, he can have the republican and all the machinery behind him but he will lose because this country's dna at the end of it is about progress. it's about getting past that and you're absolutely right. we've had all these original sins in our founding but we are working through them and every day i think it's to be a better
day and this person will no bring us back. >> i know in your experience we can talk about it as well. my parents came here in the 60s. there is this belief that this is a country where i can come from the congo but as soon as you're here you're a citizen and an american. you can still have your accent from wherever you came from but it all gets folded in. it's very unique on the planet for a country to try to do this. it is shocking to me that donald trump believes that white people are essentially able to be clicked into white nationalism. he believes it. the brown people aren't saying it. he seems to think his own party are white nationalists and he just has to keep tweaking them and they will behave like white nationalists. >> he can actually move the country in that direction. he's not going to. and the fact that you and i are
sitting here when our parents both came here in the 1960s is the best kpamp example of that. >> it's either terrifying to think oh, my god maybe there are more white nationalists that we think. it's very different. it's worst than racism. 's saying the country is going to be formed around racism but it is frightening to think maybe there are more people like this that we thought. you see this crowd shrieking at a woman or you think that donald trump is making a calculation that's extremely dangerous but also dangerous to his own political position, because most people don't want to be associated with racism. >> i agree with that. i mean, look, i think really deep thing that we have to go through is to ask ourselves, you know, who who do we want in a leader and this leader has some
of the worst impulses in our country. latent white nationalism absolutely. he's trying to bring it out to the forefront but i think ultimately the country will return to where it was. it was ronald reagan when you land in america and become a citizen you're a united states citizen. they can try and try and try to tear us apart. they won't do it. >> reagan launches his campaign for president in philadelphia, mississippi sending a message to white nationalists. you had bush who became president. bill clinton executed a mentally challenged man to show white america, you know, i got you. but no other president as president, the most racist ones, once they're in the office i've never heard of a president using openly racism to keep it going. >> that's all he's got. >> no one's ever done it.
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us to have this unique composite of a congress in this moment and we will not go back. we will not go back. we will not go back to the days of injustice. we will not roll back our rights. we will not deny liberty to our transbrothers and sisters. we will not deny our own inhumanity at the border. we will not go back. we will go forward. but we sure as hell will not stand still. >> we are back with more on the fallout of donald trump's racist tweets on members of congress of color.
tim, i'll go to you first. here's donald trump doing what i call the full charlottesville where he first did what he was told and sort of seemed to take back what he did and he said no, good people on both sides. here he is. >> however the chant was just repeated. >> you know what i'm unhappy with? >> do you take that tweet back? >> you know what i'm unhappy with? i'm unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can hate our country. i'm unhappy with the fact that a congresswoman can say anti-semitic things. that's what i'm unhappy with. those people in north carolina, that stadium was packed. it was a record crowd and i could have filled it ten times as you know. those are incredible patieriots. >> just for having interviewed you for the book, we talked about you as a very young man, worked against david duke's attempt to get elected statewide
in the state of louisiana. can you just talk a little bit about why that kind of a person, he got two thirds of the white vote at the time even though people knew who he was and what he was and that he was a kkk grand wizard former. how do people appeal on that basis of race when as you've said, most people don't want to be seen as racists. >> right, it's something that he said in the last segment that in reality, this is the oldest play in the play book. manipulating white racial fears with talk of how those people are the reason you don't have a job or those people are the reason you didn't get into college or those people are the reason your taxes are too high. donald trump didn't create that. he didn't invent that. david duke certainly didn't either but both played upon it and i think what both duke under and what trump understands is that contrary to the belief of a lot of old line republicans who apparently still believe that the republican base sits
around -- what duke understood and what trump understands is that the basin creasingly isn't doing that. they're sitting around reading read it threads about hillary clinton's child sex dungeon and facebook books about how law is going to take over river town. these are not people who are believers in small government, it is a white identity cult and unless the rest of us understand that including democratic candidates and talk about this election as the existential threat that it is, we're going to blow it because they are motivated by that belief that the america they love is being lost. we had better take the election just as seriously and it's not going to be done with a bunch of great policy papers and policy positions. it's going to be done the way it was done in louisiana making people understand that david duke was a threat to the america that we care about. donald trump is also that threat. >> to that very point, donald
trump took all the policy stuff off the table. democrats who completely oppose all these four women's ideas on policy, that is off the table. donald trump said look at them. it is about look at them. they are black and brown. that is what this is about. he's made that very clear but the republican party and you were in it or at least advising and you know, you were a republican. >> right. >> in the 2016 election it seemed that steve bannon understood that very well that essentially tweaking the idea of racial identity and fears of a brown takeover of america that was much more powerful than the small government conservative stuff that really just helps rich people anyway and he understood that. you now have people like steven miller whose ideas are so extreme, they're so extreme that he essentially wants to cut all immigration. anybody brown can't get in. throw people out. that's what this party is now. the republican party has been consumed by it. so i wonder if within the republican party if you still talk with former friends of the republican party, do they understand that they 'been consumed by what tim has called
an identity cult? >> this is what's so frustrating to me. the people that i talk to who are still republicans who are working in top levels in the republican party and even in this administration privately bemoan what's happening right now. they shake their head, they're disgusted by it. they also think it's a losing political strategy on top of it and no one is willing to do anything publicly. that's why it was so infearuating last week all the while the rest of us are thinking why didn't you say anything when you could have done something about it when you were in a position of power? this is the story of the republican party now. it's not they're just complicit and silent and hiding in fear, it's that complicity and silence has enabled this entire racist high jacking by donald trump and steven miller. >> are they afraid because they're just afraid of donald trump fwetweeting at them or ar they afraid that they think the majority of their base, they think the majority of their base
are driven by racism. >> i think it has more to do with the base than it does donald trump. we've seen for years going back to the earlier part of the decade. there is a population within the republican party that shows up in primaries and moves the agenda so far to the right that if you cross them they will try to take you out. remember when eric canner brought his primary and that issue, the one that did it for him, it was solely driven by immigration. >> and i feel like part of what was bugging donald trump, let's show a little bit of elon omar getting a reception when she got back to minnesota. here it is. >> i mean, her base is majority white. so republicans are shrinking
into a party that might be about immigration but what is your calculation on whether or not trump can actually really win this way and what democrats should do in response? >> it's so funny to hear in light of the trump rally, several saying democrats need to keep talking about health care when clearly health care and good policy is not what's motivating republicans to turn out at these rallies for donald trump. it's very clearly, he doesn't talk about anything policy. he's not talking about taxes or health care or small government. he's talking about identity politics and it's what he's using to motivate his base when the irony is majority of america is actually very comfortable with the idea of a black president. he was the most popular president we had. but donald trump is getting at though is the passive racism that exists in our country. if you're not wearing a hood or a swastika thattooed people wal around thinking you can't possibly be racist but the
second that somebody is competing with you on equal playing field, people start to bring out these passive racist tendencies. that's fundamentally what i grew up around in a trump voting district. my parents still live there as immigrants so we see this type of passive racism on a day-to-day. what foreign leaders do with this is entire di limply differ. they've always thought america's advantage was to integrate and take new ideas all over the world and make them american. trump is now putting that in the position -- putting us in the position of becoming less competitive economically, socially and all sorts of ways because he's trying to reverse back the clock. >> you know what, no president has done that. that's the thing that's different about that. he's saying lean into your anxieties. that's what he's doing. no president has done that particular thing. we've had some racist presidents. thank you guys very much. coming up, donald trump's racism united the democratic party.
intrigue. i'm new to congress and acclimating to that but i've been in washington the the past few days and have been in the house caucus meetings. i've had countless conversations with my colleagues across the spectrum and i would tell you the caucus is very united. deeply united because we all recognize that we are in a fight for the soul of our country. everything is on the line. >> it was just one week ago when house democrats were fighting with each other. with speaker nancy pelosi and ocasio cortez going back and forth on twitter but today after donald trump's racist attacks democrats seem to be united at least for now. business and political marketing consultant. all right. let me -- let's listen first to speaker nancy pelosi talking about the resolution at the house voted to condemn donald trump's remarks attacking these women who are called the squad. here it is. >> we treat our new members with
great respect. we are heart broken about what the president had to say on sunday and frankly i didn't really want to pay too much more attention to what he had to say on any subject. we thought that was the gentlist way to condemn the words, not the president but the words of the president but even so we had four republicans, one nearly independent member to proposesa. that's really kwied sad. >> so the speaker is very careful. she's like we're condemning the words, not the president. she's still looking out for those members that won in red districts. she doesn't want them to go after the president but how significant do you think it was that she was able to put a vote on the floor and allow people to actually vote to condemn the words? >> i think it is actually very significant. i think we need to go further as a party. don't -- let me be very clear but i think it was significant. i think it was significant in
this environment that she got four republicans and amash who's been out there, very outspoken so i think it's good. i think what's more important is that she's helping to get security for these four congresswomen who trump is putting their lives in danger. so i think that's important. with respect to skirmishes within the democratic party i want to make a point. it's not new. the democratic party is super diverse. we are diverse racially, religiously, economically, we're diverse culturally. we're diverse ethnically. so when you have a party that as diverse as it is, when nancy pelosi has a caucus where -- you know, that ranges in philosophy, pretty broadly in this country because you have some democrats that won districts that have been held by republicans for decades. >> including newt gingrich. >> so when you have that kind of diversity of course there's
going to be skirmishes and so i think what nancy pelosi is trying to do is to protect those democrats in her districts. that's really her focus because she thinks the other democrats will win. from that perspective she's right. >> you know, this is a little piece of the article. trump is a problem. trump tried to make the midterm elections a referendum on migrant caravan filled with terrorists. republicans lost 41 seats including previous gop strong holds. those voters weren't praising -- parsing white papers about preexisting conditions they were voting against trump. i think the thing that's important and i said it in the opening block. trump took off the table the ideology of what these women believe. he's brought it down to race. >> when you see a contrasting vision of america. you saw wednesday night, send her back, then thursday congress
omar goes to the airport and they're cheering welcome home. >> he was jealous about that. >> that's the vision of america that democrats have to put out there. are you with the send back to africa group or people who embrace american values of welcome home, the same words on the statue of liberty, the huddled masses yearning to be free. if we send omar back do we send back the statue of liberty? there was no aoc/pelosi divide. there was one focus. beating donald trump. we are the fire walls protecting the values of this nation. we are the patriots on our side. a guy who's a draft dodger, russia helped him within an election. no was was talking about the aoc/pelosi fight. they were upset about
impeachment. but the mantra i heard from countless people there, people call vote blue no matter who. >> and the marketing expert. can you put the women back up again? it's interesting to me that donald trump thinks his hooting, hollering scary crowds are like the thing people are going to gravitate toward and those four smart articulate attractive, there's everything about them is like kind of the young people love them, you know, they are able to do social media really well. they're really attractive, even to people who don't know what their policies are, they are just attracted to them. does donald trump think he can win a marketing war against him? >> i think he does because with his base that's all he wants to worry about. that's the only thing he's worried about. the problem for the republican party though is you have to worry about independence which is where democrats have an advantage because that's where if democrats focus on flipping
unlikely voters to likely voters within our party and trump with this is actually helping democrats. >> did you mean like obama voters who didn't vote in 2016 because sorry, flipping people who are into that screaming, hollering, threatening, they ain't flipping. >> no. >> you're talking about obama voters. >> i'm talking about disaffected democratic voters. they're actually drawn to those four congresswomen. >> that's right. disaffected voters like them. >> they like them. >> the whooping and hollering scares them away. >> thank you. coming up, we will explain why conservative christians are so tolerant of intolerance. that's next. tolerant of intolerance. that's next. i customize everything, like my bike, and my calves. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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push for that face to face and have the answers that america needs? >> why didn't you subpoena president trump? we're proud, proud that our long tradition of inspiring other nations to embrace religious freedom and respect for human rights has ushered in important improvements in the lives of people all over the world. the united states stands with all victims of religious persecution. the american people have them in our hearts and in our prayers. >> vice president mike pence who identifies himself as a quote, christian, a conservative and a republican in that order and whom his fellows see in the white house sent thoughts and prayers to the persecuted at a religious freedom conference on thursday. one week of defending the foul
conditions at a texas migrant center. >> while we hear some democrats in washington referring to u.s. customs and border facilities as concentration camps, what we saw today was a facility that is providing care that every american would be proud of. >> joining me, william barber, cochairman and author of revive us again. you know, we ask this question again, bishop barber. always good to talk with you but 77% of white evangelicals voted for trump in 2016. they are the most solid group behind him and yet you have him supporting things like putting people in cages. what is going on? >> well, you know, pharaoh always had their own religion and this extremism that calls
itself republicanism today that's full of racism has its own religion and in that religion, what it does is it ignores so much. so little about what gothd says so much. it is a form of modern day heresy. when we say evangelicals we have to be careful with these terms. there are many white and black. i was with thousands of them the other day that do not define themselves in this form of evangelicalism. but what we're seeing is a modern form of heresy going on. i'm from east and north carolina. they don't represent east and north carolina. i know the people there. the black people, the white people are coming together. the republicans are in trouble in the south if we truly organize in the south, black, white and brown people and address the real issues of poverty and racism and the issues that matter in people's
lives. >> you know, you sent us a video. and can we play just a little bit of it? this is in north carolina that you tweeted out. actually no, not this one. this is six from my folks. five, five. because this is another version of that same eastern north carolina area. and this was at something called the wild goose festival in ashville, north carolina. we'll play it whenever it comes up. but -- okay. here it is. >>. ♪ this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine ♪ ♪ this little light of mine, i'm going to let it shine ♪ ♪ this little light of mine, well i'm going to let it shine ♪ . >> you can see a big huge crowd there. so the point you made in sending this to me this is a diverse state. donald trump had an almost all
white crowd. >> you see the diversity. donald trump had a crowd in that auditorium in greenville, but that's the black belt of north carolina. and what i say to democrats is, don't get caught up in his lies and hate. we have to produce truth and love and not just say we're against a racist, but beat the policy. there are 4.3 million poor people in north carolina. speak to them. the majority of them are white. speak to them. there are a million people without health care. speak to them. there are 500,000 people that don't have heralth care. speak to them. challenge the racist policies and let's organize -- this is not new. this is the seeds of the southern strategy that had a rely josty that went along with it that said way back in the 60s, joy, we're going to make the republican the party of white people in the south by scaring them and conning them. >> yeah. >> and we have to have a religious spirituality of love and justice of truth that says
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this crowd are a bunch of communists. they hate israel. they hate our own country. they're calling the guards along it is border concentration camp guards. they're accusing people supporting israel of doing it for the benjamins. they're anti-semitic, they're anti-america. >> good morning and welcome back to "am joy." it seems at this point donald trump's racist view has swallowed the republican party whole. lindsey graham this week took it even further downhill to exactly where the narcissistic chief wants this to go, essentially saying it's not your race alone that can cause you to be denaturalized by the trump regime, it's your race plus your lack of personal loyalty to donald trump. >> i think the president is in a tug-of-war with his opponents. the question is do i think the president is racist? no, and let me tell you why. if you're a somali refugee and
you're wearing a mega hat and you're a big trump fan, you're probably having dinner at the white house. >> okay, according to lindsey graham, what makes you american is not your love of the country and not your adherence to the country, which lindsey graham took an oath to defend, it's your adoration of donald trump. lindsey graham is demonstrating for you daily what that supine, adjunct loyalty to trump is supposed to look like. note that for the man lindsey graham considers his boss, donald trump, love of his country and praise of the united states has not always been necessary tore a good american. >> folks, we're living in a third world country. the american dream is dead. our country is a mess. our infrastructure is falling apart. everybody knows what a mess our country is in. we are a mess. on you count
our country is a mess. we have a mess of a country. of course i'm angry. who is not angry? they want me to say, no, i'm really not angry, i'm so happy. the country is a mess. i am angry. >> to review, donald trump has trashed this country for years, years, right up to the moment, the instant that he got to be president. now you have to love merkameri a america incritically because it's trump america. if you don't love america and if you don't love donald trump, you should leave. npr, adam serwer, staff writer for the atlantic. and leonard pitz, columnist and the author of "the last thing you surrender." leonard, i have to go to you first because years ago when trump was running in 2015, i wrote an article saying he's
like a current george wallace. i find it amazing that trump has leaned into that idea with his own actions. i want to play a little of george wallace. this is a campaign speech when he was running for president of the take a listen. >> you know the biggest bigots in the world, they are the folks that call folks bigots. they are the biggest bigots in the world. you know what you are. you're a little punk, that's all you are. >> i'm not even sure george wallace, leonard, trashed the united states the way donald trump is. and it's interesting that he trashed it when the black guy was president. this is the guy who said the country is run by black people and brown people are shithole countries. even when reagan was president, this country was garbage. it was garbage literally until
he became president. do you think the wallace sort of equivalency is there, or is that too much? >> a nice, low-hanging curveball there. no, the wallace comparison is very much there. what's interesting to me is trump, like wallace, and frankly like a lot of bigots, has this tic where they seek to do a rhetorical judo with bigotry and hurl it back on others who have done it to them. for them it's almost a game, for them it's strategy because they have never lived under the impact of someone else's bigotry. they don't know what it is. so they play this game with the concept, with the thing that forrest of us forms our lives, names our lives, and it's just a joke to them. that's the part that frustrates
me the most. >> and adam, there is an article that says donald trump's rage resonates. they don't look at him because they're screaming and they're angry, but what he is doing is what george wallace sort of did, is to make a celebration around hagt people. >> that's right, i think these rallies have long p served a kind of creating community function for trump supporters where they get together and they enjoy hating the people the president tells them to hate. that gives them a sense of belonging and community and happiness. i think that's unquestionably true. >> let me come to the table here -- i'm going to come first to the table and then i'll come
to our republican strategist. what donald trump is doing, people aren't sure how popular this is going to be, right? he seems to be making the calculation that in his mind, white americans will be triggered by this. this is what they want to hear. so he's making the calculation that there is a lot of racism out there and he just has to get it to the polls. here at this table, black and brown people, we have to think, are there more people like that? that's the question. >> right, just look at what he did in 2016. he came out when he came down those ugly, tacky, golden escalators, he talked about mexicans being rapists and drug dealers and he openly said he wanted to ban them from the country. that worked for him very effectively. there were people who were okay with that and agreed with those policies, or were okay with looking the other way because they thought it would benefit them in some way.
why wouldn't he do this? he's not trying to expand, he just needs to throw out the red meat and rile them up so they come out and support him in 2020. but what does that say about your base if that's what riles them up and gets them to the polls? what does it say about your party? >> we're at the point where this government, the government of our country, is displaying caged human beings, including children, displaying them. they're not deporting them. >> and remember that they're also forcing people who go to see them to put on face masks, because what you're looking at are not human beings. there's something wrong with them so you need to protect yourselves. everything about this is the messaging. in chicago i was walking in the
fifth district with my friends. we were little kids but we were looking at which basement we were going to hide in if george wallace was elected. i knew this was something that was going to impact my life. so in terms of the republican party, this is not something that is going to haunt them for a couple of years, this is going to haunt them for decades. i was in a cab earlier this morning because i went to the gym super early. go to the gym, work this stuff out. i'm being very serious. otherwise we'll die of sadness and paranoia. so there i was. and my cab driver was from the ivory coast and i was like, sir, u.s. citizen? yes. who did you vote for? i don't know, but i'm definitely going to vote. i said, would you vote for a republican? he said, i'll never vote for a republican. i used to consider it, but i'll never vote for a republican now. because i'll never forget this. my son who is 23, that future
voter, same thing. you guys are playing with this fire right now. it's going to haunt us for decades and it is very personal. >> lenny, this is the challenge for republicans. the other reason that i thought it was important to pull george wallace, he was a democrat. democrats had these people. democrats had this coalition inside the party going all the way back to post civil war, right? they had to make compromises on even things like the new deal, they had to placate these people, they had to deal with them. but once the civil rights movement happened, you all got 'em. now you have 'em, and the question is what do you do with them, right? what no previous republican has done when they had 'em was to keep using them. even when they used them to keep getting elected, i've never seen -- i've been watching politics for a long time. any elected republican president literally caused a member of congress's life to be threatened because they're using her as a
physical embodiment, something to hate, using her almost in effigy. i haven't seen that before. i wonder what the republican party is going to do -- i lothe lost black people a long time ago. brown americans now look at them and think, oh, my god, these people are caging brown children. the republican party can win maybe a few more elections this way, but long term, your party is defined by this. what do you make of it? >> what i make of it is the strategy of the republican party obviously has to shift. it has to move away from trying to empower people through the worst of what we are as human beings and as americans, which goes back to our original sin of racism and go back to what type of policies can empower all sorts of people regardless of where you come from. >> lenny, hold on a second, because you as a man of color yourself, do you feel comfortable in a party that does
rallies like that? >> look, i walked away from something like this pretty recently where i was supposed to speak and i walked away because of how i felt based on the rhetoric. i was supposed to speak at the rally. my point is this, though, joy, to the greater point. they're using racism as an avenue through which people feel empowered. they lend you the loyalty, they give you the vote. what republicans need to do is continue to empower people, but not by using racism, not by using phobia, not by using the 1800s and 1900s. that's a harder sell, especially after the 1930s through the 1960s with latin americans and what we're seeing with latinos today. is there a way to turn this around? yes, but it starts with renouncing this behavior
continuously, talk about empo r empowering people, so we can talk about empowering the poor rather than basal sins. >> lenny, isn't the challenge here that donald trump understood that most of the policies the republicans were pushing, pollute their water if they live on a farm. the ideas of doing trade embargoes with other countries kills their own economic condition, that the tax laws help the rich, not them. donald trump understood he can get more base than that because the actual policies that the elite republicans wanted helped rich people but donald trump is saying to the poor white americans, i'm going to give you max whiteness. i'm going to let you decide who is in america. i'm going to let you decide what language people should speak. i'm giving you power. i'm going to give you the wagers of whiteness because i can't give you anything else because the policies hate the rich? isn't that the problem? >> i'm sorry, are you coming to
leonard or lenny. >> i'm coming to lenny. >> there is something to be said about that, but you have to look at other policies as well, such as school choice, such as -- hold on, hold on, but joy, it also helps disproportionately african-americans stuck in an environment such as philadelphia. hold on, joy -- hold on. you asked me the question, let me answer that. if you look at where these kids are going to, it's not going to corporations and black kids not able to go to better schools and go to college and be part of the american dream. that is a policy that disproportionately helps african-americans. >> it's interesting, the republican party, actually, was pretty fabulous on immigration. it wasn't just on ronald reagan. >> who did amnesty, by the way. >> they didn't like to call it amnesty because they were like, we didn't cross the border, the border crossed us. okay, fine.
ronald reagan does that. it's kind of extraordinary. george h.w. bush, who gets elected, does more for immigration. do you know who comes in and basically says, no, no, we need to check this out, we need to stop this. it's bill clinton. it's the democrats. so the republicans actually owned the issue of immigration. they were the progressive forward-thinking, if you will, within parentheses, they were forward thinking. frankly, the democrats now don't know what to do with it, but the republicans squandered the one issue they could have taken and run with because of white supremacy and racism. >> most of america used to be republican, right? >> i wouldn't say most, but there was enough to say they had significant support. now things have totally changed where a majority of muslims are obviously not with republicans. i was going to say to counter what the gentleman was saying on the republican side, there are
actually bigoted policies of the rhetoric now. you're seeing changes to asylum laws, changes to illegal immigration, that's why you have huge backlog, the lowest number of refugees allowed in the country. now they are saying they want to change that number to zero and zero tolerance policy, all kinds of things going on that are backing. it's actual policies and we can't lose sight of that. >> can i let leonard back in -- >> i want to, too. >> i'll let you in, but leonard, trump is not just saying racist things. the things he's doing, that steven miller is engineering inside that white house is shocking, that they want no immigration in american countries, they want no one seeking asylum. they're trying to cleanse the country of any newcoming brown people and push them out if they can. it's the new policies that are
frightening. >> that's because contrary to what we heard a moment ago, this appeal is not empowering white americans. i don't know when white americans became disempowered, so that's an interesting phraseology. this is not about empowering white americans, this is about appealing to white american fears, as the member memorably shouted during barack obama's first term saying, i lose my country. i want my country back. where we had all the positions of power, we made all the decisions, we were the ones in charge, we were in control. i don't like the fact that these muslims, these gays, these african-americans, these people brown-skinned are suddenly more prominent and suddenly doing more in the public eye. i want my country back. this is not an appeal to empowerment, this is an appeal to fear. this is an appeal to the sense of loss of demographic primacy.
if you've been the lead singer, if you've been gladys knight for years, it's hard to go back to just being a pip. i think for white people in america, that's the great fear, that we henceforth will all just be pips. >> to come back to you, lenny, and we'll let adam back in. when president obama was trying to save the country from the greatest recession since the great depression, they all said, no, he's president, he's not legitimate to be president. they wouldn't do anything he wanted. president obama reversed iran and they wouldn't do it just because he was president. >> we had disagreements with a lot of barack obama's policies, but we never disrespected the office. we expressed our disagreements in a respectful way, but what they did to go after him personally, to call on impeachment of the president from day one.
>> let's see how they actually treated president obama. >> the reforms i'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally. >> is the time that we're going to send mr. obama home to kenya or wherever it is, we're going to do it. >> i don't want to even have to be associated with him, it's like touching a tar baby and you're stuck and you're part of the problem now. >> i mean, just having that -- a black man as president seemed to send your party insane. you had these tea parties where a lot of people had monkey dolls, where people were hanging them in effigy, the sarah palin parties where they were yelling, kill him. it's not just trump. >> i would agree with that 100%, and it's not like i just became a republican yesterday, so there are people who just jumped on this trump train p. that's part of the problem in regards to the policies.
yes, you have things such as school choice which ai also stod against. we keep changing what conservatism means, and back to len lenny, he can't emphasize my point. when you have a certain fraction of america, those who have been disenfranchised politically, they are going to grab the lowest common denominator in order to regain what they feel is power. and in america, racism has been power. you can be a poor white guy in alabama, but you know you're not an n word, and that's something you can hang your hat on throughout the jim crow era. there are some who are pushing for policies for the right reasons that do believe in the constitution. you also see people using, quote, unquote, conservatism, and bring about some of these more controversial policies that are absolutely not american. >> they're all the policies.
at this point the policies coming out of the administration on either helping the rich or em powering people that are open white nationals. we're going to have a whole other policy discussion later. i'm going to give adam serwer the last word on this. adam, are you hopeful that when people see it as outright as trump is making it, that it's so blatant, that people will reject it? or are you fearful that people are excited about that rally than we may think? >> i think if you look at the picture, you'll see donald trump racism over white americans. the problem is he's so well distributed in a way that this strategy could possibly win him reelection without winning a majority of the vote.
i don't know what's going to happen. i know that this strategy who reject it. but i don't nel know if he wouldn't be reelected. >> before we go, i know you have something special to say. >> i know we talked about going to the gym, but it's also about love. happy 20th anniversary, 20 years. >> i'm too tired to go to the gym. >> thank you! when we come back, the very real threat by donald trump's rhetoric. that's next. donald trump's etoric that's next.
what i am scared for is the safety of people who share my identities. this is what this president and his supporters have turned our country, that is supposed to be a country where we allow democratic debate and dissent to take place. and so this is not about me, this is about us fighting for what this country truly should be and what it deserves to be. >> donald trump in his desperation to win reelection, by pitting his almost entirely
white base against brown and black people, and particularly immigrants, is doing something no previous president has done. he, the president of the united states, is putting the safety of members of congress at risk. according to politico, house democrats are warning the representative ilhan omar is in imminent danger after the trump rally chants. they are calling for authorities to evaluate security for the four freshman lawmakers targeted by the president. trump's rhetoric at his rallies isn't new, of course. here's how he used it in 2016. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. i will pay for the legal fees. if -- you know what they did to guys like that in a place like this? they would be taken out on a stretcher. i'd like to punch him in the face, i tell you. >> with us is brian levin,
lecturer for the center of extremism. you mentioned earlier the other thing donald trump mentioned during his campaign is he's going to call for complete shutdown for muslims coming to the united states. he's claimed all sorts of things, and anti-muslim rhetoric has been a cornerstone also of his hatred. so to have ilma -- the muslim b has come into effect, literally banning thousands of muslims into the country. so for lindsey graham to make that statement, saying, if it was a pro-israel, they wouldn't be banned.
ilhan omar is a muslim woman who wears a hijab, she's an immigrant of refugees and also she's very vocal. the entire squad is extremely vocal in their stance on issues and they're not afraid to speak their mind, nor should they be. >> and so the other interesting thing donald trump has done this week is he's used the same attacks on ilhan omar that he used on you, trying to terrorize this american congresswoman. >> this is the ultimate smear for white house sprupremacists d bigots. he came out and called on white supremacists. donald trump is doing the same thing. that's the go-to for white supremacists, that's the go-to forn neo-nazis.
his base, they came after me. there's been a spike of lgbtq. anyone under the gun is for trump. there have been mosques faced with the word trump. today trump has become a modern day swastika stick. i we have to be aware of it and call it out bluntly. >> to the very point of hate crimes are tied to trump. when supremacy flourishes and fears of immigration and nation's shifting demographics.
it went up 7% from 2017. white nationalist groups alone surged by nearly 50% last year, growing from 100 chapters to 148 in 2018. trump called for a muslim ban that was the highest number since october of 2001. so he's directly starting to impact the actual activity of violence in this country. >> well, let's bring the steve kornacki side of things to this, i'm more of a data guy. when the president speaks six days after 9/11, on december 17, 2001 in d.c. and talked tolerantly, and also admonished people who had attacked our muslim neighbors and friends.
and by two-thirds of the next year. for instance, we have a report coming out. we're looking at a fifth consecutive annual set of increases many and just under half of record highs. cities don't necessarily represent bigger places. what do i mean? in california, l.a. and san francisco hit record highs in 2018 but the state was flat. also, what else did we see? right after the speech -- the rally where the muslim ban was proposed -- i want to be careful here -- five days after the san bernardino terrorist attack, there was a rally in south carolina and there was various
derisive things. muslims had already dropped and they jumped to 23% in the days after that speech. we're looking at the fifth consecutive year of increases in america's cities and we're seeing democratization. we're also seeing division and entrenchment. the yellow lights are flashing with regard to racism. >> there was a red light put on a vaccine bill recently. you had a black lawmaker in the south told a white person, go back where you came from.
donald trump, to defend himself over this rally, he reads someone called katy hopkins. not only is she an activist, she also is very much known for being anti-muslim. she lost her columns and he's defending himself as calling her an anti-viral person. she shares the stage with holocaust admirers. she used slurs for black people
who want to see the articles. she praises white supremacists like jared taylor and others. she is the worst of the worst and donald trump is defending her today. >> to defend himself. >> why he's tweeting a white supremacist racist, he doesn't care. this is who his base is. katy hopkins is him on the u.k. >> i think that's also important to remember that it's not just donald trump. we're seeing it happen here and people have actually obtained power and seats in government. that's why you had steve vanning going over there. >> let's give brian the last word. brian? >> just back to the steve kornacki of hate for a second.
listen to this, reuters poll, 2017, 39% of americans thought whites were under attack. it rose to 43%, a 10% increase in just a year. you don't have to be a hardened white supremacist to have fear. the stereotypes get amplified with fear. in a fractured environment, this can only be a cautionary tale. people should tone it down on all sides. >> the one thing we've not talked about is this. >> thank you for being here. the consequences his jailed lawyer did. but up next, his former pal, jeffrey epstein, denied bail.
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trump's mar-a-lago estate. trump looks giddy despite saying he wasn't a fan. we should know that the party happened more than a decade before epstein's plea deal in florida and there have been no allegations of criminal wrongdoing at that party. jeff epstein, who is facing new charges of trafficking underaged girls was denied bail on thursday, the judge denying bail fr for house arrest at his million-dollar mansion. joyce, the video is gross both in the way it sort of displays the way apparently women felt they had to sort of perform for these men that were in their company, trump and his good friend -- that he called a good friend, jeffrey epstein. but i wonder if -- let me first get your comment on the fact that he was denied bail, which we were hoping would happen, but you never can tell. >> this really looked like a no-brainer decision for the judge to make.
prosecutors get pre-trial detention if the defendant is a flight risk or a danger to the community. epstein was both and they had clear and convincing evidence on both counts. >> so trump and epstein back in 1992, the same year that party took place, they had a party, a private party, that was thrown for them and 28 women. the only people besides the bunch of women who were there were them. donald trump called him a friend and talked about him liking young girls and sort of snickered about it. there was a young girl that claimed she was trafficked from mar-a-lago. there's been a lot of connection, let's just put it that way. is it legitimate to wonder if in some way jeffrey epstein might be able to help himself somehow, because he may never get out of prison at this point, by saying, i know other people did bad things. not that donald trump necessarily did, but i know
other people did stuff and here's what i can do to get myself a break. >> prosecutors are always willing to listen no matter who you arrest, no matter what you're charged with, they're willing to listen. there are some defendants you won't give a certain deal to or a good deal to. certainly epstein, who is looking to spend his whole life in prison, if he's got anything important, if he's got anything major on anyone, whether it's president trump or anyone else in his little black book, now would be the time for him to offer it up. >> i ask that question because you already have -- alan g dershowitz who is a very trump lawyer is now claiming there is a hit piece that's going to come out on him with false accusations, he says, of sex crimes, saying the reason this hit piece is going to come out, to accuse him is to silence his defenses of donald trump and benjamin netanyahu, the prime minister of israel.
one of the women who is accusing jeffrey epstein of trafficking her claimed that she was trafficked to jeffrey epstein. i want to play for you to laura ingram on fox news his defense. he also made this defense on a local miami station, but here it is to fox news' laura ingram. >> i've had sex with one woman since the day i met jeffrey epstein. i challenge other boys to say they've only had sex with one woman, they couldn't do it. so he has an enormous amount of hutzpah to challenge me and challenge my perfect, perfect sex life during that period of time. >> of course a famed attorney representing some of the women. he also inside this interview that he had famous jeffrey epstein massages but he kept his underwear on. your thoughts? >> alan dershowitz is my
criminal law professor and this is not a good look for him. he's sounding kind of desperate. we know that all of this material, this evidence, is going to come out shortly, and he seems concerned about what it might say about him who also needs to be concerned, joy, about the president of the united states. in 2010, epstein gave a deposition in which he was asked, are you aware of any contacts between you and donald trump with girls under the age of 18? epstein said, i'd like to answer that question but i can't. he asserted the fifth. and joyce is absolutely right. now he's going to have strong incentive to actually answer that question to try to make some kind of deal to prevent him from going to prison for the rest of his life. now, i don't know if the prosecutors would take that deal, but if he's got any incriminating evidence on donald
trump, it's going to be a powerful incentive to give trump up. >> glenn, i'll come to you on this, because the fact that alan dershowitz felt he should single them out, saying, that's why they're coming after me, you have that this case is happening in the corruption unit, which it could be about the deal that was made, maybe they're looking into whether there was corrupt intent or corrupt influence on those who cut a special deal where jeff epstein could go to work every day and be out of jail for six days a week and continue to offend while he's on work release. that is actually being investigated. i'm going to ask you two questions. is there a reason that donald trump should worry that epstein may make something up to try to give something big to help himself out, right? is that possible? and if he tried that, should we be worried that william barr, who is donald trump's lawyer, not our lawyer, not the american people's lawyer, might swoop in
and somehow intervene in this case? >> joy, to answer your second question first, we should always be worried about william barr stepping on the next figuratively speaking of investigations, of prosecutors to try to tamp down anything that might damage donald trump or his people. and, you know, to pick up on what both joyce and paul said, some people will ask the question, how in the world could southern district of new york prosecutors sit down with somebody like epstein and do business with him? let me tell you, for 22 of the 33 years ufsi was a prosecutor, joy, i was handling persecutions in our neighbor's capitol. when we would not lock up people, i would make the same deal, which is i will do business with the devil if he will give me two bodies. what i meant by that was i will sit down with the most notorious criminal, the most unseemly
criminal if i can get truthful, accurate, reliable information out of that person that will help me bring other offenders to justice. in the homicide arena, it's other killers we can take off the streets and give homicide families at least the hope of taking a step on the road to healing. in epstein's case, we know, as sure as we all sit here, we can get information about other pedophiles, about other sex abusers. that is now the currency because his $77 million mansion didn't buy his way out of jail. that is now the currency he has to provide to the prosecutors. if it were me, would i want to sit in a secure interview room with epstein and his lawyer and an fbi agent and start to hear what he can bring to the table by way of other pedophiles and perpetrators? no, that's not my idea of a fun way to spend the day? would i do it? all day, every day to figure out
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we choose to go to the moon and do other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills because that challenge is one that we're willing to accept, one we are willing to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too. >> president john f. kennedy's lofty vision in 1961 became a reality eight years later. on this very day, july 20. now 50 years later, we're reminded that when astronauts
neal armstrong and buzz aldrin planted the american flag on the moon, it represented not just winning the space race, it signified how this massive union brought out the best in the united states. planetarium director at the franklin institute in philadelphia. i'm a little nervous talking to you because i'm a big fan and i didn't read that write. >> good morning, joy. >> when i saw that video, i thought, boy, we did have presidents that had grandeur and grace and someone we could look up to. but this space thing was a huge undertaking that brought america together, and these black women doing the math, it was actually a great moment. >> it was indeed a great moment. it was a special period of time in our history when this sort of endeavor could be achieved. we needed something to pull the
american public together. there was to many fractious things going on in the united states at the time, you might not have thought something like this was possible, but the idea that this was the sort of incredible adventure that humans really do so well was an aspect of humanity shared by everybody not just in the united states but around the world, and we saw that by the number of people who paid close attention to the mission. >> when i went and saw "hidden figures," i was embarrassed that i didn't know that story. it was also a reminder that there were so many things that were revolutionary about the u.s. race to get to space because we're trying to beat out the soviet union, et cetera. but also just in terms of what women, black women, were able to achieve in this country at that time, in, like, the '60s and '70s, it was pretty incredible. >> there are hundreds of untold stories of african-americans who worked in associated industries in the space program directly and associated industries in aerospace, particularly in nasa's aerospace program, and we
don't hear those stories. the hidden figure stories open a door to us for understanding, but there were so many people who worked as fabricators or worked as engineers in various different regards. my father worked associated with the space program as a radar technician for the united states navy. so i know there is a personal story right there. >> i was raeeading that in 1959a librarian called the police on robert mcnair because he wouthed not lend him books. there are so many stories like that. do you feel that the u.s. is able to do a unifying project? i'm not sure america can be that united again, even with something like going to space. >> that's a good question, because in order to do something
like this, we need strong leadership that can appeal to everyone across the nation. i'm not sure that's the case right now. at the same time, the nation has to have the will to want to do this. we had a common enemy at that time that was a common enemy of everyone in the united states. so that helped to bond everyone together. it didn't matter what your race or what your class or what your occupation was. we all were after the job of beating the russians because we knew it was a threat to american life. we need something galvanizing like that again and we need the will of congress to make it happen. >> could it be something even on this earth? we're talking about climate change as an existential threat. we don't have a cohesive effort to use our sciences, but to sort of even tackle things on the planet. >> i think we have a very serious issue before us. the idea that we will no longer pay attention to a voice of authority, that we can't agree on voices of authority, in this
case, science, this is a body of knowledge and a group of people that report on what nature is presenting us. not presenting judgment, but just showing us what nature is telling us at the moment. we need to sort of bond ourselves together behind that mission, because it truly is a threat to the quality of life for everyone on the planet. and we can see for sure only because nature tells us there is a trend happening that we need to not only pay attention to but do something about. that's one we really need to rally behind, because, in fact, joy, we're not going to leave this planet and go to another planet where we can flourish there. that's not going to happen, so we need to take the best care of this planet as we can. >> in the future when we do have a national eunifying leadership again, where do you want to go spacewise? where is the next logical place? >> going back to the moon makes
sense. it's four days away, it's easy to get to and get back and get supplies to and things like that. we need to go on and explore the rest of the solar system, but it's not just nasa that needs to try to make this possible, it's congress that needs to provide the long-term funding. >> well, you know, the senate. that's never going to happen. derrick pitts, it's great to talk to you. i appreciate you. have a great day. >> thank you, joy. >> thank you. alex witt after the break. alex witt after the break. xfinity mobile is a wireless network
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that is our show today. "am joy" will be back tomorrow at 10:0. alex witt has our latest news. >> good job. here's the question, i want derrick pitts to stay because i want to ask him what the solar ambition is for nasa. >> you and i, we're going to be solar system ambassadors. >> you and i, my friend. let's do. good morning to all of you at msnbc headquarters in new york. welcome, everyone, to "weekends with alex witt." it's a storcorcher out there. dangerous heat on many looking for relief. donald trump on that spontaneous rally chant. what he's