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that does it for us tonight. i'll see you again if you tune in at 6:00 p.m. eastern on my show, "the beat with ari melber." i'm wishing you a wonderful weekend. now it's time for the last word. joy reid is in for lawrence tonight. good evening, joy. >> good evening, ari. i am joy reid in for lawrence o'donnell and this week my colleague, joe scarborough, and other americans dubbed him moscow mitch. mitch has made it clear he willig nor robert mueller's warnings about ongoing foreign interference in our elections and block all election security bills that could protect your vote from the russians or the saudis or the chinese or donald trump's newest best dictator friend, kim jong-un. mitch mcconnell will do that because clearly he believes donald trump might need foreign help to get elected just like he had in 2016 so he will not allow congress to stand in those foreign governments' way. moscow mitch needs donald trump
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to win to keep the spigot of far right judges flowing. we're going to have more on this growing republican shame in tonight's show. we're also hearing disturbing new details about the 18-year-old american citizen who was detained by customs and border protection for three weeks, even after showing officials his i.d., his social security card and his birth certificate. that is coming up as well. but first, we are crossing a threshold. that is how one house democrat described the new impeachment developments coming out of the house judiciary committee. chairman jerry nadler suggested that his committee is now in effect conducting an impeachment inquiry against donald trump. >> you're saying there's no difference between what you're doing now and an impeachment inquiry, correct? >> in effect. >> that statement comes in the wake of a court filing from the new committee demanding grand
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jury material from robert mueller's investigation. in that request for mueller's underlying evidence, the house judiciary committee explicitly states that it wants the information because, quote, this committee is conducting an investigation to determine whether to recommend articles of impeachment. so there it is. the house judiciary committee is finally investigating the possible impeachment of this president. now, if you don't think that that's tantamount to opening an impeachment inquiry, don't take my word for it. here's how some committee members describe this step to the huffington post. from my personal point of view, we are in an impeachment inquiry. and congressman eric swalwell said bluntly this is an impeachment investigation. the key difference between a formal impeachment inquiry and what the judiciary committee is doing now, according to chairman nadler, is that the committee is not solely bound to deciding whether to file articles of
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impeachment but could opt to move in an entirely different direction. this action appears to be a way to bridge the divide inside the house democratic caucus over whether to formally begin the process that would lead to impeachment. 98 house members back an impeachment inquiry at the moment, according to nbc news. that number is growing. here's democratic congressman mike levin who just announced his support for an impeachment inquiry. >> we have witnessed his contempt for democratic norms and institutions, including his repeated failure to respond to legitimate requests making it impossible for congress to execute its constitutionally mandated oversight responsibilities. as a result, i feel we can no longer wait. i must now support an impeachment inquiry. >> but there's still a major split among members of the house democratic leadership over how to proceed. "the new york times" reports chairman nadler has gradually
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become convinced that his panel should proceed with impeachment hearings and do so as expeditiously as possible according to aides familiar with his thinking. here's how speaker nancy pelosi framed the debate. >> some of your democratic colleagues believe you're simply trying to run out the clock on impeachment. are you trying to run out the clock? >> no, i'm not trying to run out the clock. let's get sophisticated about this, okay? we will proceed when we have what we need to proceed. not one day sooner. and everybody has the liberty and the luxury to espouse their own position and to criticize me for trying to go down the path in the most determined positive way. again, their advocacy for impeachment only gives me leverage. i have no complaint with what they are doing. >> leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congresswoman lloyd doggett of texas, member of the house ways and means committee.
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congressman, when the speaker says that the advocacy for impeachment among some members of her caucus gives her leverage, do you understand who she now believes she has leverage over? >> not exactly. what i reflect on is that tomorrow will be 100 days since the mueller report was released. august is approaching. i don't know what more we need in order to undertake an impeachment inquiry, and i came to that view after hearing all the alternatives and seeing how ineffective they were and how really rather timid or tepid they were. at this point until today, democrats had not filed any legal action concerning the mueller investigation except the -- i guess the somewhat related, belated inquiry on tax returns. we've just been defending the trump attacks in the legislative as well as in the litigation.
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i think people will look at what chairman nadler did today and say it's about time. >> and what he did today, let's talk about that specifically. in your view, because there's a little bit of a back and forth about this, is what was started today an impeachment inquiry? >> whether you call it an impeachment inquiry or an impeachment investigation, i think it's really parsing words. what he did was to tell the court in order to get these grand jury proceedings, which are normally private but which were made available in prior impeachment proceedings, that impeachment was one of the possibilities that his committee was considering. i believe they are conducting an investigation, an impeachment inquiry, and that's what we need because president trump is engaging in total obstruction. it's kind of the mafia gang approach of don't tell anybody anything and don't produce any documents. and with that kind of strategy, we can either sit back and take
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it or we can stand up and fight. i think the american people want us to stand up and demand a little accountability from this lawless president. >> you know, one of the theories behind why the speaker is so reluctant to go forward on impeachment is that potentially she doesn't have 218 votes in the house, that if impeachment were to come to the floor, it wouldn't pass, not just because of republicans, but because of democrats. do you agree with that? >> well, i have the greatest respect for the speaker. she is a great leader. i don't agree with her entirely on the approach concerning this matter. i believe that our duty is not one of just taking a poll or doing the politically acceptable thing. we have a duty under the constitution. what we do about this lawless president will set the standard, will set the precedent for what happens when we have a president -- i don't know if it's possible to have a worse president than donald trump, but when we have another president, be it democratic or republican, who threatens our democracy the way he has. we need to say that when there is this much lawlessness, we are
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demanding accountability. and to investigate it thoroughly and objectively is what needs to be done and done now. i think we can do that in a way that is respectful of some of our colleagues who are a little more reticent about it who represent districts that have a significant number of republicans who may well have been fooled by some of the misstatements, the propaganda of the president's taxpayer-paid attorney, mr. barr, and all of his statements, the repeated no collusion, no obstruction, which is absolutely in conflict with the findings of the mueller report. >> and to your view, what is the primary or what are the primary reasons, just very quickly, that you think the president should be impeached? why? >> well, i think the ten examples of obstruction that he engaged in, i think his lying, i think the fact that whether he was involved in a formal
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conspiracy with the russians, just a useful idiot, as they say, or was concerned only with his commercial interests, that the russians were involved in undermining our democracy and donald trump's attitude was and remains come on in, fellas, welcome. and that is really a subverting. it's welcoming an attack on the very basis of our democracy. now, we know at the same time from this new report the republicans were meddling in all 50 states -- >> the russians. >> excuse me, of course. the russians were threatening all 50 states and they are continuing to do that and the president and mitch mcconnell are blocking our taking effective action to preserve our election system. >> indeed. congressman lloyd doggett, thank you so much. really appreciate you joining the discussion. >> thank you. >> now let's bring in the senior editor and legal correspondent for and host of the podcast amicus and danielle moody-mills the host of woke
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a.f. or sirius xm. is this just playing with words, this impeachment investigation versus impeachment inquiry? is there a difference? >> for constitutional purposes, no. we don't know. the constitution doesn't say impeachment starts with this action or that action. so for our purposes, we can sort of say that starting to think about doing an investigation into an inquiry seems kind of hedging. but for constitutional purposes, article 1 gives sole power of impeachment to the house, so that's when it starts. >> and do democrats by having an impeachment investigation get the same stepped-up rules in terms of subpoenas, meaning that they have more power to make somebody show up when they are subpoenaed and turn over documents? >> that's one of the reasons, joy, that this is important is that you put aside the parsing of language. it really does bolster their authority, for instance, to drag don mcgahn in because he has
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refused to show up. it bolsters their authority to get access to this grand jury material that's redacted that they can't get any other way. so i think that once the house is acting in its judicial role as opposed to its oversight role, then the courts are going to be much more inclined to say, okay, if this is for purposes of an impeachment investigation, then we're going to be much more likely to grant what you want. >> even the supreme court? >> well, that's a different question. >> let me play jamie raskin when asked whether this is an impeachment probe. take a listen. >> is this an impeachment probe? >> sure. we were just confronted with overwhelming evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, ten episodes of obstruction of justice. a presidential candidate and his campaign welcoming with open arms foreign interference in our presidential election. you know, if bill clinton can be impeached for telling one lie
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about sex, that's low crimes and misdemeanors, this is in the category of high crimes and misdemeanors. and we're investigating it and trying to figure out whether these are high crimes and misdemeanors that justify impeachment. >> does this end up working for the democrats politically? they're getting out of town for a multi-week recess. they put in something that they don't want to call an impeachment inquiry for whatever reason. have they solved their problem? >> they are their problem so, no, they haven't solved it at all. i think the conversation around semantics matters to the american people. when we use terms like impeachment, it gives them a sense of gravitas to the situation that we are currently in. all of these investigations can be spun by republicans to seem like it is just a vendetta that democrats have against donald trump. when we move into an impeachment inquiry, that means that something very serious has happened and compromised our constitution and compromised the office of the presidency. americans understand that differently, right? and so words here actually
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matter. this is what republicans are always so good at and democrats constantly struggle. we are 100 days removed from the mueller report dropping, and there has been no movement. just a few, what was it, 90 days after ken starr dropped his report on clinton -- >> 99 days. >> 99 days, we were in full-blown investigation over, as representative raskin said, one lie. donald trump has told, i don't know, 1,000 probably just today, so where's the action here? so words matter and their action matters. the fact that nancy pelosi also is not pointing to her members and saying, you know what, you're going home. each and every member of the democratic party needs to be holding town hall meetings on impeachment the way that justin amash did, because that matters. >> the possibility will be that they won't be able to avoid that. there's a possibility that their town halls as they want to have them on health care are going to get taken over by people demanding impeachment, right? so i wonder if does the strength
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of impeachment -- i'll ask you both. does the strength of an impeachment inquiry depend on it meaning immediate? meaning you say you're launching an investigation and then something happens right away, or does the five or six weeks in the middle where they could be pummeled by their base, in a sense could that actually help impeachment? >> i think that showing them being pummeled by their base does help impeachment because it shows that the people actually care and are paying attention, which is what i believe that most people do. the ones that i talk to on my show, they tell me that they care. they want to know why their members are not standing up for the constitution. it looks like political theater and act right now instead of an act of outrage about what's happening in the white house. >> former acting fbi director andrew mccabe has said impeachment. it's happening a lot. professor lawrence tribe has put forward the idea that democrats could impeach donald trump, essentially convict them in their version of a trial in the
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house and not send it to the senate. he'd be impeached and mitch mcconnell couldn't touch it. is that true? >> i think that's true and i trust lawrence tribe's opinion more than mine. i think it's worth, just to circle back, i think the most important mistake that nancy pelosi is making right now is this notion that we're going to find some smoking gun evidence, right, that we're going to get a gotcha. we're going to have a john dean moment. we're going to have the erased tape. and this notion that we keep tilting at that thing as though that's going to just -- tomorrow, that was the thing that mueller was supposed to be on wednesday. and i think that we're making this mistake over and over again, joy, by thinking that some piece of evidence is going to come to light that is going sway public opinion. everything that mueller said on wednesday we knew. we've known for a hundred days. and so i think this kind of weird xenos paradox where we're inching closer and closer to what will change public opinion, what will change public opinion
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is starting to have impeachment inquiry, starting to talk to don mcgahn. >> one coherent thing when they bring them in front of instead of all these little investigations. it's a strange strategy. thank you both very much. coming up, the republicans led by mitch mcconnell are blocking bills to protect u.s. elections. why would mitch mcconnell do that? new reports may so why. and later, donald trump is really unhappy with his favorite channel's pollsters. ♪ more, more, more ♪ how do you like it, ♪ how do you like it ♪ ♪ more, more, more ♪ how do you like it, how do you like it ♪ all you can eat is back. how do you like that? applebee's.
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mitch mcconnell is a russian asset. those are the scathing first lines of a column by "the watering post's" dana milbank today. he goes on to write, quote, this doesn't mean he's a spy, but neither is it a flip accusation. russia attacked our country in 2016. it is attacking us today. its attacks will intensify in 2020. yet each time we try to raise our defenses and repel the attack, mcconnell, the senate majority leader, blocks us from defending ourselves. let's call this what it is, unpatriotic. the kentucky republican is arguably more than any other american doing russian president vladimir putin's bidding. mcconnell, who's now been tagged as moscow mitch, is ignoring the warnings of robert mueller and from his own intelligence committee regarding russia's continuing interference in our elections.
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the report from the bipartisan senate intelligence committee, led by republican senator richard burr of north carolina, found that russia targeted election systems in all 50 states in 2016 and that little has been done to prevent it from happening all over again. that's exactly what robert mueller told the house intelligence committee on wednesday. >> in your investigation, did you think that this was a single attempt by the russians to get involved in our election or did you find evidence to suggest they'll try to do it again. >> it wasn't a single attempt. they're doing it as we sit here, and they expect to do it during the next campaign. >> they're doing it as we sit here. and mitch mcconnell refuses to do anything about it. just 24 hours after robert mueller's testimony, mcconnell, who clearly wants donald trump re-elected by any means necessary, blocked two election security bills. one bill would have required the use of paper ballots. the other would have required campaigns and candidates to
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report offers of election-related aid from foreign governments. coincidentally, i'm certain,eller this year mitch mcconnell received a slew of donations from four of the top voting machine lobbyists in the company. voting machine companies are not currently subject to any federally mandated security standards, and mitch mcconnell is helping to keep it that way. joining us now is evan mcmullen, a former cia operative and former independent presidential candidate. he's the co-founder of stand up republic. and michael weiss. thank you both for being here. evan, you ran for president. you worked for the cia in the past. you have served your country in that regard. do you agree with dana milbank that mitch mcconnell is essentially aiding moscow in their future attacks that are already happening on our elections? >> i do agree that he is. obviously dana uses very explosive language there when he
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says asset, which is a technical term for someone who is under the influence or even control of a foreign power. so for me that's -- you know, using that word is, you know, i would use it more technically than that. but i understand his point and certainly mitch mcconnell is blocking efforts to secure our democracy when it faces greater threats than it ever has. and it's inexplicable but for any good reason why he'd do this. the country is clearly under threat. the freedom of american citizens everywhere is under threat right now because our systems of selecting our own leaders are at risk and being attacked by foreign adversaries and being assisted and welcomed by the commander in chief. i mean it's an extraordinary position for the country to be in. and how on earth anyone who's elected by the people could stand there and especially in the position that mitch mcconnell is in as senate majority leader and not support
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a bill that simply says if you're a candidate and a foreign adversary comes to you and offers assistance in your campaign, which is illegal, that you have to report that to law enforcement. how on earth could mitch mcconnell oppose that? it's just -- it's inexplicable. there's no good reason for it. it's political corruption. >> and an attempt to explain the inexplicable, let me give you two pieces of data. one is "washington post" writer paul waldman who says mitch mcconnell is right, secure elections would elect more democrats. this could be some of the reason why mitch mcconnell doesn't want to act. here are some of the things that are partisan that if we were to do them it would advantage democratic party. securing our voting systems from hacking, allowing every american to vote, making it as easy as possible for americans to vote and ensuring all votes count equally. and now here is the person for whom mitch mcconnell works.
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here's donald trump telling george stephanopolous what he would do if he was offered foreign help again. >> if somebody called from a country, norway, we have information on your opponent. oh, i think i'd want to hear it. >> you want that kind of interference in our elections? >> it's not an interference. they have information. i think i'd take it. >> michael weiss, clearly donald trump wants foreign help and he would take it again, norway, russia, or whether it's saudi arabia or any other country that wants to help. those other countries know that. do we now have a system where our elections are not just participated in by americans but by the whole world, whoever wants to have an advantage policywise? >> yeah. and the difficulty is once you allow a foreign country, particular low a hostile foreign country into your country, they don't tend to leave. russia can buy off politicians.
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but with mitch mcconnell this is a simple case of somebody putting party political interests above national security. this senate intelligence committee report, which it's a republican-led committee, the baseline standard they said for protecting the election is to have the paper ballot backup system. the baseline standard. how is that a partisan issue? that's just something every state ought to have to ensure that voting machines, which might be compromised, or voter registration data which has already been compromised. this is the most extraordinary disclosure in this report. 16 states have been hacked or targeted by the gru, russia's military intelligence agency. the same organization, minding you, that hacked the dnc and started passing information to wikileaks. 16 states they have penetrated. one of the states, illinois, had 14 million voter registration -- i'm sorry, registered voters, data from 14 million people exfiltrated which included first and last names, dates of birth and driver's license information.
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remember what robert mueller found when he indicted the so-called st. petersburg troll farm? the russians were also doing identity theft to try to pass themselves off as americans in order to keep this masquerade or this pantomime going that this is just a domestic political crisis or domestic political development or the russians had nothing to do with it. we are allowing them back into our system. so for a republican-led committee to say the very least we could do, make sure voting machines don't have access to the internet so they can't be hacked. make sure they don't have exposed usb drives so somebody couldn't put in a thumb drive and upload malware. just remember, one voting machine that's compromised appear proven to be so will cause a sociopolitical crisis. the president has already claimed in 2016 that the votes were rigged without any evidence. that's the danger. the russians don't have to do very much to completely blow up the entire system. >> so for mitch mcconnell, evan,
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apparently it is worth it to him to have those risks on the table if they win? >> look, i think you're exactly right in explaining why mitch mcconnell is doing what he's doing. you know, i'm so discouraged and disappointed as a conservative to see the republican party now sacrifice our system of self-rule so that they can maintain an advantage at a time when they're struggling in the battle of ideas in the country. and i say to my fellow conservatives, you know, this isn't the way to fight. let's re-enter the battle of ideas. let's compete. we believe or we used to believe in competition. let's not abandon that politically. it doesn't make for a strong party, it doesn't make for a strong country. and that's -- but that's what mitch mcconnell is doing, sadly, and what many republicans are going along with. it's just the wrong way. it's the wrong way for the party, it's the wrong way for
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the conservative movement, it's the wrong way for the country. and michael is pointing out something that's also very important about what will happen if there is hacking again, and there certainly will be in 2020. i don't believe that we can say anymore, and it's uncomfortable, that we had a free and fair election in 2016 in america. think about that. the gravity of that. but i think that the american people can look past that. we can move beyond it if it just happens once and in the next cycle we have an election without these irregularities and so on. but if what happens in 2016 or more or something different but also a foreign attack on our democracy happens again in 2020, we are facing a situation in our country where our elections no longer will have popular legitimacy. and in that scenario, we lose control and we are not -- we are no longer free. that's what's on the verge of happening. the russians don't have to change votes to do that.
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all they have to do is to hack the voter rolls again. maybe they do it a little bit deeper, a little more widespread this time. then all of a sudden state governments can't certify the results of election. that would make donald trump very happy if all of a sudden everything was just inconclusive. you know, that happens elsewhere in the world where foreign adversaries to democracy or domestic enemies of democracy try to dismantle it. and that's what we're facing now in the country. >> and just to build on that a little bit, michael, what are some of the other worst-case scenarios. i did an interview earlier where the idea that donald trump suddenly wins vermont and the vermont government is saying hold on a second, donald trump can't win vermont and that's what people think and they can't certify. do the russians actually have to change votes or just scare people or could it be actually disenfranchisement, deleting people from the voter rolls? give us the worse-case scenarios. >> changing votes is quite hard to do. they don't have to do that, they just have to compromise the
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election itself by penetrating the election infrastructure, manipulating data. one worst-case scenario which was war gamed by the united states is what if they go in and they finding your home address and change the home address wherever you're registered to vote. i assume new york. you turn up to the voting booth, your polling place with the wrong address. you might get a provisional ballot but this is going cause chaos, and a crisis. people will say wait a minute, what are you telling me this is not my home address. so they don't have to change check marks against donald trump's name versus whoever the democratic candidate is going to be. there's a host of other things they can do. one just final point. mitch mcconnell and the republicans, i think they believe they're picking up a very powerful stick to bash the democrats over the head but what they're doing is picking up a boomerang. it's not just the russians. the iranians might say they don't like the sanctions regime, why don't we start hacking the
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emails of republicans chiefs of staff or republican senators or congressmen. one of these bills was meant to protect all legislators from cyber intrusion. if they do that, won't the republicans look silly for saying, well, we had the opportunity to indemnify ourselves. >> and so for donald trump he might want to get on board with protecting his country. evan mcmullen, michael weiss, thank you very much. up next, donald trump is very, very unhappy with a new national poll. so unhappy he's attacking trump tv. ♪ ♪ let's go!
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we are just four days away from the second set of democratic presidential debates. and a new poll put out by fox news, no less, has some good news for joe biden and some bad news for donald trump. that poll finds that in the democratic presidential primary, biden leads the field at 33%, 18 points ahead of his closest rival, bernie sanders. this is just one poll, but it does appear to show him regaining some of the support that he lost after the first debate when kamala harris stole the show. the fox news poll also showed biden leading trump in a head-to-head matchup by ten points, a result that so freaked out the president that he took to twitter to attack his favorite news organization. quote, fox news is at it again, so different from what they used to be during the 2016 primaries and before. proud warriors. now new fox polls, which have always been terrible to me, have me down to sleepy joe.
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so what, they should fix their polls for donald trump? based on that freakout, you might think that the democratic candidate trump fears most is barack obama's vice president. but several top republican strategists think the candidate that could do the most harm to trump is senator kamala harris. i think she's dangerous and probably maybe the most dangerous from our view, one strategist told "vanity fair." another told the magazine i have long been most concerned about harris. i think she has an appeal to the scottsdale soccer mom, who is a registered republican. between her appeal and trump's women problems, she has probably already won those voters. so what does all this mean heading into next week's democratic debates? i'll ask danielle moodi-mills and evan mcmullen, next. my experience with usaa
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for new clean air laws and closed a billion dollar corporate tax loophole to fund public schools. by going directly to the people we got results. that's not something you see a lot of from washington these days. i'm tom steyer and i approve this message. let's make change happen. danielle moodi-mills and evan mcmullen are back with me. let's start with biden. this was joe biden on a radio interview still talking about the harris interview. here it is. >> i thought we were friends, and i hope we still will be. you know, she asked me to go out and -- called me and asked me to go to her convention and be the guy from outside of california to nominate her at her convention for the senate seat. i did. >> i'm not sure what that has to do with him running for president and it's a bit whiney a bit. >> he's a bit annoying. the fact is that joe biden was
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very unprepared for the debates that happened and he got slapped up on stage, didn't know how to react. his team did not prepare him and now he's complaining about it. maybe he should spend more time preparing for the debates happening next week so he won't have anything to complain b it doesn't matter if kamala harris was your friend a couple of weeks ago, a couple of months ago. she's running to be president, not to be your friend. i think that's the problem with joe biden in this race right now. he thinks everyone should just kumbaya around him and that's not the case. >> it's like there's a sense he feels like a coronation was interrupted and he's very angry about it. here's biden turning on a bit of a pivot on an attack on kamala harris and i think this might be what we see coming up. here it is. maybe we don't have it. i'll read it. i'm sorry, cory booker is the one who's talking about kamala harris. let's go to you, evan. is there a sense, do you think, that biden at this point feels entitled to the nomination and
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annoyed that he's being questioned? >> you know, it's hard to say. but i will say this. there is a certain strategy, i think, if you're biden and you start out leading in the polls to not eagerly enter the fray if you don't have to and sort of prolong that as long as you can. obviously as the front-runner in the polls, you know it's coming for you anyway. and indeed it did. but i think it would have been unwise for him to behavior like he was in a dead heat competition like the other candidates when he wasn't there yet. now, after the last debate when kamala did what she did with biden, that started to shift. and now biden has to enter the competition like the rest of the candidates. but i'm not so sure it was unwise for him not to do so before. the question is how he does it. yes, tone matters. he can't be entitled and all of that but it doesn't surprise me it worked out that way.
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>> cory booker was talking about biden but a sense a bit of a move where he's kind of hitting potentially both biden and kamala harris with this attack. take a listen. >> i will always speak truth to power. watching the crime bills of the '80s and the '90s and all the things that he put into place, this is something that should be talked about. and the response to having a substantive conversation about people's records shouldn't be to go on the attack. i found his attacks on me ridiculous. >> so i think it's pretty clear, danielle, cory booker's strategy will be to do what kamala harris did to biden the first time. when he's talking about criminal justice, that's a weak point with kamala harris with a lot of younger and voters of color. could this be a way for cory booker to ping and hit them both? >> he has to do something because cory booker has not moved in the polls whatsoever. because he was not on the main stage with joe biden last time, this is going to be his opportunity. he's going to have to hit
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kamala, they all are. this is a competition, it is a race for the white house, and a very serious presidential race right now. and so they need -- he needs to have some type of action. i do think that criminal justice is a great way to divide them. >> and do you think very quickly that kamala harris is as dangerous as republicans seem to think she is. >> yes. >> to donald trump? >> she absolutely is. did you see her on the stage? i want to see that against donald trump. >> evan, same thing to you. it does seem republicans are concerned about her. even being a prosecutor which hurts her with younger voters, it could maybe help her in the general. >> look, thinking about president trump and how he responds to different people with whom he's in competition, you know, he attacks almost everyone. but there are some people he doesn't quite attack or often or very hard and it's the kind of people that he knows will hit him back ten times harder than he's hitting them. and regardless of all of kamala's policy positions and all of that, this isn't a
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discussion about that, i'll tell you that i think the president fears kamala. i think that he looks at her and sees a strong african-american woman who will punch him back harder than he can hit her. and he's -- he's afraid to go there, i think. and when he does, i think he's going to get what he expects. >> and you know what he also probably fears her for? because she's a prosecutor, and his problems are largely legal, particularly when he leaves office. danielle moodie-mills and evan mcmullin, thank you both. coming up, the trump administration's cruelty and incompetence at the border ensnares, gets this, an american citizen. that's next. we call it the mother standard of care. it's how we care for our cancer patients- like job. when he was diagnosed with cancer, his team at ctca created a personalized care plan to treat his cancer and side effects. so job could continue to work and stay strong for his family. this is how we inspire hope. this is how we heal.
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tonight the supreme court ruled that donald trump can use $2.5 billion in unspent military funds from the pentagon to put toward construction of his beloved border wall. lawsuits trying to stop him continue through the courts. this news comes as the president announced a deal with guatemala to restrict asylum applications by requiring migrants who pass through guatemala to apply for asylum there. guatemala, which many of the migrants arriving at our borders are fleeing from. if they fail to apply in guatemala, they will be denied asylum in the united states. however, the deal still needs to be approved by guatemala's congress so it remains up in the air. this supposed deal does nothing to address the deteriorating humanitarian crisis at the southern border. this week the house passed a
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bill requiring customs and border protection to enact safety and hygiene standards for migrants in their custody. we'll see how that fares incconn today 13 state democrats who visited the border sent a letter to the department department of homeland security demanding the agency take immediate action to improve the conditions and treatment of migrant children. we'll see if the administration decides it has to listen. conditions have gotten so bad on the border that nbc news reports active duty u.s. troops are now being stationed inside the border facility in texas a develop that some say teaters or violating federal law that prohibits the government from using military forces to act as a police force within u.s. borders. but the roulette of trump's immigration agenda doesn't stop there. attorneys told courts border agents separated three young girls from his father because he was hiv positive against what is supposed to be government policy.
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tonight we're learning new details about the american teenage boy who was detained by customs and border protection for more than three weeks even after showing border agents his texas i.d., his social security card, and his birth certificate. a 18-year-old francisco gleesia was held with no access to a shower, forced to sleep on the floor, and lost 26 pounds because he was not given enough food to eat. he told the "dallas morning news" that it was unhumane how they treated us. i was ready to sign a deportation paper just not to be suffering there anymore. i just had to get out of there, he said. tonight he spoke with chris hayes about those horrific conditions. >> we couldn't bathe or brush our teeth, nothing. you didn't have anything. the only thing they would give
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us from time to time to clean ourselves were wipes. we would wipe ourselves, but the dirt would stay. the room was so small that there were people sleeping in the bathroom. we would take turns to be able to sleep. and then we went through something inhumane. >> that is not the only fallout from trump's ugly immigration policy. nbc's cal perry traveled to juarez, mexico, today, to see how the administration's policy, forcing migrants to wait in mexico, is impacting migrants who are stalled on the other side of the border. he'll join us live after this final break. beep goes off ]
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he traveled to the border to report on the impact that trump's remain in mexico policy is having on migrants. joining us now from el paso is nbc news correspondent cal perry. what did you find out. >> from that child separation policy to now this policy, remain in mexico, we've seen amongst a specific group of people that it's sowing confusion. these are some of the faces of the trump administration's remain in mexico policy. 70 people living in this one room of a small church.
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>> the mpp they've been spent to juarez, maybe a year, even more. >> reporter: before finding a place to stay, migrants have to check in at a central processing facility. right now there are roughly 12,000 people waiting at this part of the border for a chance at an immigration hearing. >> people here are growing impatient at times when they do not call anybody to cross. >> reporter: the confusion and frustration is evident. people are waiting months in a foreign land with in idea how long it will take. >> what number are you? do you know? >> 13,291. >> 13,291? how long are you wait do you think? >> three months, 15 days. >> you've been here three months, 15 days. do you know how much longer you have to wait? >> i don't know. >> you don't know? >> yes.
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>> the city of juarez is approaching 900 murders so far this year. people are here from all over the globe, from central america to africa. ma rim bay fled violence. she asked us to keep her identity a secret. a gay woman from uganda, she thought america would welcome her. >> reporter: people like dylan from the hope order institute provide shelter and food and somehow almost inex-milkly a sense of optimism. >> what they're doing at the border is correspond to who we are at the border because this is a country that has always stood for humanitarians for people across the globe. and our border is where we're going to identity our country. weir not going to be defined by these civil rights bruises. >> two things that need mentioning. juarez is one of the most dangerous cities in the world. someone was shot and killed outside the government center
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this week. two shootings in the past week according to the people wlorp this. the second is you have smugglers who are preying on these wloeksz they know people are stranded and providing them with that other option. we can take you across illegally. joy? >> very quickly, is there any process at all for people to apply for asylum? >> reporter: after maybe four court dates, nine months, a still can still turn you around and send you back. there are only three immigration attorneys in this section of the border who are trying to help people, 12,000 people, chances are incredibly low. it has changed the entire asylum process. >> this is distressing. as a child of immigrants, it's depressing. thank you so much. that is tonight's last word. tune into msnbc sunday night at 9:00 p.m. for the premiere of "american swamp" an investigative series with katy tur on donald trump's business ties.
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be sure to watch my show, "a.m. joy" weekend mornings starting at 10:00 a.m. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight, the "i" word pops up in court documents filed by the democrats. but with the mueller hearing end with a wimper and not a bang, with congress running out of town for their swooek summer break, if it's anything, it's kind of impeachment lite, and the president calls it a disgrace. what would congress do instead? we'll ask a democrat in a tough seat in a swing state who happened to promise mueller that congress wouldn't back down. the new poll that has the president annoyed with his favorite news network insisting he can't lose to his opponent on msnbc on a friday night. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. here we are, day 918f


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