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forests. i have never seen anything like it. it's very big. i offered assistance and if they should need it i offered our assistance. >> we're giving billions and billions of dollars for forest fires in california, there's no reason for those fires to be like they are. they are leaving them dirty and they're -- it's a disgraceful thing. better get your agent -- act together because we're not going to pay the kind of money we're paying. >> so disaster relief for california or puerto rico, not so much. for russia, okay. good morning. it's friday. can you believe it's friday. "morning joe." it's august 2. we have donny deutsch with us. president of the council on foreign relations and author of the book "a world in disarray"
richard haass. white house reporter for the associated press, jonathan lemire. washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay is joining us. white house correspondent for pbs news hour yamiche alcindor. >> so the president was in cincinnati last night. i of course since the red sox have completely tanked and thrown in the entire season because dombrowski didn't want to buy a reliever the -- >> you two. >> i can watch the rally and i did. very interesting. i'll talk about what i saw. i think he's now moving into this sort of new different sort of autocratic in waiting pose, but we'll talk about that in a minute. what did you see there last night? >> after two months of the political world focusing on the democratic debates in detroit, last night all eyes were watching the president. this was his first rally since the one a few weeks ago where the send her back chants broke
out about the congresswoman omar, the somali born congresswoman who moved here and she cease a u.s. citizens. as it turned out, early on in the first minutes he made a mention of the four radicals the left wing congresswomen the four congresswomen of color but that was it. he didn't mention them by name, there were no chants. however, what he did go on further was a long, long attack at urban centers and cities of this country. >> wow. >> particularly those run by democrats. he didn't mention elijah cummings by name. that was clearly the subtext here. and sort of -- >> well, also, by the way, the cities that were run by black leaders or predominantly black urban centers. it reminded me a lot of the whole quote s-hole countries. so if you're a city that's predominantly black or run by a
black leader, then he is now putting you in the same categories in the countries run by black leaders. >> at one moment when a protester was being moved out of arena, he asked jokingly if the mayor of cincinnati was a democrat. this is something that he feels like is a winning issue for him going into the election. there were lots of republicans and white house staffers were very nervous about the send her back chants. the white house before leaving indicated he didn't want his supporters to say it but he said, well, if the chant starts out we'll see what happens. he wasn't going -- he was loathe to ever criticize his base. >> it's the kind of tension that trump loves. just going right to the edge. let's take a look at what happened last night in cincinnati. >> it's been total one party control of the inner cities. for a hundred years it's been one party control and look at them.
we can name one after another, but i won't do that. because i don't want to be controversial. look at los angeles with the tents and the horrible, horrible disgusting conditions. look at san francisco. look at some of your other cities. the homicide rate in baltimore is significantly higher than el salvador, honduras, guatemala. i believe it's higher than -- give me a place that you think is pretty bad. give me a place. the guy says afghanistan. i believe it's higher than afghanistan. in our country, think of that. >> you know, there were a lot of protests, trump was sort of walking across the stage. sniffing, you know how he does. breathing it all in.
willie, he sort of -- he had this thing down that he's actually amping up his on-stage performances. he actually reminded me -- you see the austin powers movies? >> yeah. >> did you see the austin powers movies? he reminded me at times of the fat bastard, it's a character. it's a character in austin powers. and he's sniffing and looking around -- thank you, thank you. i thought he was going to say, get into my stomach at one point. he's just really starting to take on this role of dear leader. you can see it last night more than usual. he's amping it up. he's amping his audiences up, amping up the racial attacks and the demagoguery. this is a guy -- he is as david brooks said in "the new york times," he's a force and the only way the democrats are going to beat him is with an equal
force. >> well, i mean, we have become so numb to the way that donald trump behaves and when you watch a rally it's worth pausing to recognize that the president of all the united states and all of these cities is trashing the cities over which he presides. whether it's los angeles or san francisco or baltimore. but he knows politically he's not going to win those places so he's made a calculation he can go after it to stoke up the people in the crowd and stoke up the people who voted for him last night. i think it's interesting to mention how low the bar has gone for trump. let's see if he asks the public the -- the group in front of him to chant send them back. about the united states citizens, about united states congresswomen and when he does don't that everyone says oh, good, at least he didn't do that. that's the president of the united states and people are
acting grateful that he didn't let the crowd chant send them back. >> a good point. >> in some ways this is what has made trump to be able to survive scandals and controversies because right when you think he'll hit the lowest he pulls back a little. you know what, i won't go for the racist chant of send her back. instead what i'll do is make light of the suffering of families and of american citizens in places like baltimore and chicago which happened to have majority black cities and centers. but then not make -- not talk about the suffering that's going on in the state that he's in. which is ohio. i just came back from ohio. there's a place called masonry, ohio, and it's nicknamed misery, because people are suffering from drug overdoses and the president didn't say anything about that. addie phillip of cnnsaid, can you imagine a president going on
the opioid riff and you can't. you can't imagine the president focusing on the counties that i visited which are 95% white, 91% in a lot of areas that went for him overwhelmingly in ohio he does want to talk about the struggles they're facing because they're run by republicans. >> yeah. when he's walking around like that, donny deutsch, if i'm a kid, i'll get worried. get in my stomach, we'll show you the clips later. so jonathan lemire and the associated press wrote an article this past week about how donald trump keeps lowering the bar. that every time you think he has gone as low as he can possibly go, which is of course over three years, has been a great deal. even the most cynical white house observers before he started attacking elijah and started attacking these women of color in congress thought that
trump had gone as low as he could go. as jonathan reports a lot of people inside the white house are shocked that actually the frantic sort of management lifestyle has become even more detached and even more dangerous. >> yes. >> we don't know where the bottom is. we do know that he continues to shock by the day. >> you used the austin powers rather light metaphor. the mussolini when mussolini is standing up on the terrace like this, with a face like that, to me, the parallels with trump in terms of that self-satisfaction at the chaos he's creating, the parallels are stunning there. you know what's so ironic coming off of -- to me pretty poor debates both nights for the democrats if trump stood up and basically talked about the economy, talked about hey, by the way, two benchmark strong holds, obama deported more
people than i ever did, i passed the most comprehensive criminal prison reform act, strong hold democratic bench marks that he could own, of course he does don't there. the scary thing for me and joe, you and i talked about this last week as him being a transactional ideologue is he's going to keep lowering it. keep digging, digging into the base and then some time around april or may of next year pivot and start acting somewhat normal and to the whole premise of the segment that because -- >> this is normal. >> so, so low. that when he starts just giving a normandy speech and talks about why don't we relook at health care a little bit, people are go wow. a mad irony that worries me. he's going to keep going there. i think i should's the -- i think it's top it is, i think he's going to dig and dig and then pivot and then be tough to
peat. >> he's not proven himself capable of being disciplined for more than a day or two. he can give the normandy speech and then give an interview on fox news with the crosses of the dead from d-day behind him and launch the most inflammatory, terrible political attacks against people in the united states. so he can't -- he's incapable of doing that. i will say the thing that last night's rally showed -- it was a great -- i think it was a great comparison with what the democrats were doing. it showed here is a guy that strutted across the stage. he was -- he was being a demagogue. picking at racial resentments and then you go like the previous two nights you have democrats going, you know, i have looked at subsection three
of page 487 of your medicare for all plan and i fear that after the third deductible that the coverage may not be as satisfactory if you are in medicare zone three instead of medicare zone one. of course you have to weigh that with a brookings -- i could go on all night. because the democrats went on all night. >> they did. >> they never -- there's not a democrat on the stage that understands how to take it to a higher level, that understands the bigger things. i think most importantly, something that trump understood from the very beginning they need to get you don't have to play by the rules. if cnn or msnbc sets up a question to say, senator harris, joe biden is a jerk and he thinks you're a jerk. how do you respond? you know what? they don't have to play by the rules.
they can go i think joe biden has served this country well. very proud of everything he's done and i stand with joe biden. he stands with me. now let's talk about the man who is changing america for the worst. donald trump. they don't have to take the bait, but they always do. and there doesn't seem to be a democrat that understands where we are right now in history against this man. >> yeah. i was laughing, so i'm glad -- i got lost in the whole health care debate too. at one point i was thinking do i not know my health care policy enough, if i don't understand this, i'm covering this every day, what are the voters making of this? you're right. look, if they're going to try to go high as a party in a sense these debates are certainly not the best opportunity to take on barack obama as you have been saying, joe, over the last couple of days the most popular living democrat at the moment and they don't need to do that game of taking on each other. that's why that second night in particular of the debates was so
dissatisfying and why it makes the field look so weak. i struggled by the end of that three hour long second debate to see joe biden up against donald trump on a debate stage. i mean, donald trump will change the facts, ignore the facts, reverse himself. but he'll do it with the phenomenal bluster and confidence the whole time through. and against that if joe biden with the nominee were to put in the performance he was lookinged toerry and not in control. the only reason that biden is ahead in the pack is because people think he can win that belief can disappear pretty fast. once it does what are the democrats left with? >> joe, can i say one it one way other way saying it and i'll go one step further. the democrats have become the party of nerds. i mean, that's what goes on
there. the republicans are the party of strength and reprehensible many, many times but people follow strength. there's a nerdiness that's happened to the democratic party where your voice did it perfectly. and that's it. we have become a wimpy party. and people don't follow wimps. i know i'll get a lot of oh -- you know, you're talking -- >> no, no. i actually heard that last night on chris hayes. again, because i'm not watching the red sox anymore. so i was watching chris hayes. i think the red sox were already losing 4-2 by that time. by they were saying the same -- but they were saying the same thing on chris hayes. listen, donald trump is a strong leader. democrats need a strong leader. that can stand toe to toe with him and it wasn't just chris saying that. it was a very diverse panel. everybody seemed to agree. richard haass, they also agreed on something else, getting down in the weeds.
jonathan alter said, stop leading with your chant. like don't talk about decriminalizing illegal border crossings because you're never going to get to that. like that's going to be like the 12th thing you get to. you put your -- you know, comprehensive immigration reform plan together. democrats should say we're for a comprehensive immigration reform. we think dreamers should be able to take part in that american dream. we're for universal health care. we don't know exactly how we'll get there. we just know we'll get there together as a party and we'll try to bring in independence and republicans and everybody and that's our goal. and stop fighting each other over these small exaggerated differences that they think might help them get one or two percentage points from the far left democratic base.
it's a losing proposition. focus on trump. >> i agree. this ought to be -- this election ought to be a referendum on the fitness of donald trump to have four more years as president. what's quite remarkable, these two sets of debates have increasingly made this a referendum on the fitness of democrats to replace him. democrats ought to be on the offensive here not on the defensive. at least the two sets of debates i think have hurt all of them rather than helped them and you're right, you know, to take the narrow approaches. whether it's to immigration or health care that may appeal to elements of their base won't set them up at all. i think this -- you're the politician, i'm not, but there's a limit to how much you can reposition yourself after the primaries for the general election. because there's going to be an awful lot of clips showing what people said in the debates and my sense is going to come back to haunt them. >> well, those clips are forever and willie, as they were saying
on chris hayes "all in" last night, you take julian castro talking about the difference between him and joe biden on whether illegal crossings into the united states becomes decriminalized. it's such a small marginal issue that actually has nothing to do with the fact that donald trump decided he was going to put children in cages. again, it's an exaggeration of an issue. it's actually creating a conflict out of thin air. and then trying to beat up an opponent out of it. again, focusing on attacking other democrats on the stage and attacking barack obama and instead of going against the guy who made it a focus of his policy to separate children, put them in cages and have his attorney general say, yeah, we're doing this on purpose to
discourage people to come to america. >> it accomplishes something if you're a democrat running for president of the united states. attacking barack obama and giving trump red meat. they don't want to prosecute those coming in illegally anymore. probably not the way to go in the democratic primary and joe biden was out yesterday talking about the debate. even he was surprised by the way some of his competitors went after the obama legacy. check it out. >> i must tell you i was a little surprised at how much there was about barack, about the president. i mean, i -- i'm proud of having served with him. i'm proud of the job he did. i don't think there's anything he has to apologize for. and i think, you know, it kind of surprised me the degree of the criticism. he focused on immigration and what he did was serious. the idea that it's comparable to what guy is doing is absolutely bizarre. there's nothing moderate about what barack did in obamacare.
nothing. he covered 100 million people who had pre-existing conditions. he allowed kids to stay on their parent's policy until they're 26 years old. i hope the next debate, we can talk about to fix the things that trump has broken not how barack obama made all the mistakes. he didn't. >> i was watching the so-called debate last night. and i also watched the night before. that was long, long television. and the democrats spent more time attacking barack obama than they did attacking me, practically. >> so jonathan lemire, that's donald trump at the rally where you were last night talking about the debate which he of course watched. what was his big picture takeaway from that debate besides what he said right there? >> well, despite being our number -- nation's number one tv
critic, and suggesting that it was long television he made that two key points. one, you played about the attacks on barack obama and then a few moments later he said the democrats have never been out of step with the mainstream. i think that's the point that joe was saying. the idea -- in those debates it seemed like the democrats were bogged down on some issues that are not necessarily that popular among the wide swath of the electorate, like the borders and how to pay for health care and of course the president will use this as a divide. he'll do what any opposing politician will do. but he makes a point that's unnerved some democrats, the idea they can be seen as playing too much perhaps to certain quarters of their liberal base. and maybe are missing what a wide swath of the middle of america might want. there are arguments either way, there's a lot of liberal energy and democrats have to be mindful of that but that's where the president is going. as mitch as we don't want to overpraise him because of his discipline. at any moment of course he can
wake up and go on twitter and revive his send her back attacks but last night as he did stick to the script outside of he did make fun of robert mueller's appearance at the hearings suggested he was -- he sarcastically said he was sharp as a tack. but outside of that long riff about the american urban centers those are people he represents as well and seems to ignore. he largely stayed on his points about talking about his administration's accomplishments and more than that, how well the economy is doing. and that is what his advisers have been urging him for months and months to be disciplined, to stay on that. it's anybody's guess how long that lasts. >> speaking of the lack of discipline, the democrats had decided to attack barack obama's immigration plan. and be really pushy about it, suggesting he was heartless like donald trump on immigration. the ones that kept trying to say that the affordable care act was
moderate and came up far too short and was a disgrace and part of the republican talking points, those people played right into joe biden's hands. you saw joe biden as the lone defender of barack obama -- >> good lord. >> and obamacare. that's worth ten points for him. by the way, if i'm a democrat and i'm not, so democrats, you don't have to tell me on twitter i'm not, i'm not. but if i'm a democrat and i have heard donald trump riding barack obama into the ground since he's been president of the united states and i hear democrats on stage doing the same thing, those people never get my vote. never. never get my vote. it was a stupid move on their part. and they better recalibrate because this is a big, big plus for joe biden. >> yeah, i talked to some democrats that night who said it felt like we were living in a parallel universe. are we really going after the legacy of the man we love, this historic figure in our party and in the country? it felt wild to a lot of people, richard haass and allowed joe biden to go out yesterday and he
said without the subtext of what he was saying, did you hear all those guys last night, did you hear all those women what they were talking about? i'm the guy still who is going to win you michigan. i'm going to win wisconsin and win pennsylvania. i'm going to get back all of the people. there's some wild liberal ideas and you heard them last year. i'm going to take back the states that cost you the last election. >> and let me say another point. how little i that talked about national policy and who do they sound like? they sound like donald trump. let's get out of afghanistan within our first year. we're against all trade agreements so i think foreign policy is one of the great vulnerabilities of this president and rather than attacking him on it they're ignoring him or actually saying where they agree. they're isolationist and protectionist in how they're coming off. again i don't see how that helps them. >> well, richard to your point, i wish every democrat running
for president and every chief of staff and staff member for all those democrats would watch the first block of this show this morning. and really think about the state of this election because it's bad for democrats. it's really bad. look at that rally last night and then think about how you're going to present yourself to the american people. when you're talking about our foreign policy, talk about the dangers of trump's foreign policy, okay? when you're talking about medicare for all, if that's going to be your platform, have them go to your website and talk about how are you going to take on trump. when you talk about anything else, focus on trump. and trump's racism. and -- you're missing like a national emergency happening right now because you're going after obama who joe and i can have a long conversation about here on this show and say, you know what, there are some issues with the obama administration which was the presidency that handed off to trump there are definitely some problems. but we're like missing a huge moment right now in terms of the
democratic platform and how they're presenting themselves to the american people and getting more votes against trump. you're going to let him win again and it's a frightening moment, in my opinion. >> if you take the democratic debate and you played that two or three years from now, you would have no idea that that democratic debate was set right in the middle of donald trump's amping up of racial hostilities, attacking elijah cummings. >> the head of oversight. >> calling him a racist. attacking the city of baltimore. attacking black leaders across the united states of america. attacking urban centers where there are a majority people of color. attacking women of color who are in congress, leading chants -- >> you're going after obama? >> leading chants in north carolina to send her back. this again, this is straight out of a fascist playbook and yet, they're sitting there quibbling
over what barack obama did wrong? they need to wake up. because they just -- you know what? they just handed joe biden an advantage between now and the next debate. they need to wake up and i said it before. they didn't listen. that's fine. nobody listened when we said that trump could win. everybody mocked us and ridiculed us, we got this in the bag. so a lot of people stayed home. so i'll say to the democratic candidates again, focus on donald trump. okay? repeat after me. i will not attack barack obama. i will focus on donald trump. and the dangers his presidency brings. it's really easy. you can read it slowly five times before you go to bed at night. we'll get the sound of bubbling brooks in the background and i will whisper.
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before leaving for his rally in cincinnati president trump spoke to reporters outside the white house and questioned former special counsel robert mueller's assessment that russia is interfering in the election. >> did you raise that with vladimir putin? >> you don't really believe? >> that did you raise it -- >> we didn't talk about that. >> do you believe that russia is interfering in the elections. >> i watched mueller, i'm not sure that mueller knows what's going on if you want to know the truth. >> it's not just mueller of course. here's what his own fbi director christopher wray told lindsey graham just last week. >> are the russians still trying to interfere in our election system? >> the russians are absolutely intent on trying to interfere with our elections. >> we have heard it again and again, richard haass. it is overwhelming, we have heard that russia is meddling,
has meddled and the president denied it again yesterday. another piece of russian news here, the united states pulling out of the inf treaty signed by president reagan and gorbachev back in 1987. what's the significance there? >> it's one of those important achievements of the cold war that stabilized the nuclear competition. but i think it shows two things. one, the russians have clearly not complied with it in some ways. rather than really trying to keep it together, we have decided we're going to break it. we don't have new systems that we particularly need to field that -- you know, the treaty precludes. what's interesting is the china angle. this is a bilateral treaty and it's a sign of how the old arrangements increasingly are inadequate to the world we're moving in to. so this won't be unique. and the architecture of what people like me do for a living hasn't kept up. >> you mentioned china, the president escalating the trade war yesterday. announcing a new round of tariffs on china.
where is this headed? >> i don't see how this leads to a big agreement. i think this administration still has to decide what's their definition of success with china. we won't get them to change their economic model but the question is if you can get a limited agreement that each side can live with. again, new tariffs didn't come into effect for another month but both sides have decided rather than looking to compromise, they'd rather tough it out. the president may not want to be outflanked so hanging tough to make the hit and maybe hoping this will pressure the federal reserve lower the rates again to compensate for the economic slowdown that the tariffs are causing. >> so katty kay, there was a trade delegation sent to negotiate just this week and obviously they walked away with not much and the president's response was to escalate the trade war. >> yeah. one of the things that happened in shanghai was that president trump came to the realization that all of the things that china had been promising in exchange for relief from the
tariffs were not actually happening. things like flooding the american markets with fentanyl and the white house had wanted them to stop doing and they're not. this round could hit the american consumers more than all of the previous rounds. these are the ones that the people who are trump voters might start feeling. they're going to be -- there are tariffs on things like kid's clothing, toys, computers, smartphones. the things that americans are buying every day. it's only 10%, but a 10% hike on your smartphone or kid's clothes if you're struggling to pay for already and in the states that he wants to win, this is something that the americans can feel. it does suggest that the trade war is not ramping down. look at the stock market yesterday, it had been going fine and then it started to fall fast after the tariffs were announced. >> these trump tariff taxes will most certainly hurt working
class americans, the middle class americans which concerns me and the economists. working class people who are having enough trouble making it from paycheck to paycheck and small farmers. farmers on smaller ones are getting hit disproportionately since trump's socialist redistribution and his payoffs because of the tariffs those socialist payoffs are actually going to the biggest farm agriculture conglomerations in america. richard haass, i'm really concerned about -- really concerned and i'm curious what our allies are thinking about this. what foreign policy leaders like you are thinking about the fact that even yesterday after the fbi director said last week russia is still trying to interfere in our elections, after the director of national intelligence said it, after the united states military has said
it, after the cia director has said it, after the director of homeland security said it, kirstjen nielsen when they're all together at a press conference these were all people loyal to donald trump, appointed by donald trump. they all say that russia is still trying to interfere in our election and just think about this. think of how surreal this is. we have a commander in chief who is denying it. despite the fact that the entire intelligence community and the pentagon is saying russia is interfering in american democracy. and you have a majority leader of the united states senate who is killing every single measure -- republican and democratic alike, to protect american democracy from this threat that all of these republican intel leaders are warning us about and the president of the united states and moscow mitch mcconnell are all swatting away -- even
proposals by marco rubio. which simply says if we can catch you interfering in american democracy, then we're going to hit you with new sanctions and moscow mitch kills even that. how are we -- how are american allies -- how are we supposed to get our arms around this fact that the president and the majority leader seem to be aiding and abetting vladimir putin's attempts to undermine american democracy? >> it's curious in so many ways. we were just talking about the inf treaty and despite the president they have been tough on russia. we havened nato. we just talked about getting out of the missile treaty. yet here we give the russians a plank check so my hunch is they continue to do it. this is one of the ways that russia they can still be a great power. they can still influence events in the united states. and in europe. which by the way will make the europeans uncomfortable because this essentially says it's free.
it's open to the russians to influence whatever events are in the uk because of the future of brexit or the european elections. plus i think chinese, maybe iranians or north koreans we have outside impact on the united states. so i actually think symbolically and substantially, joe, this is a form of disarmament. we spend over $700 billion a year on defense and yet here we have decided to unilaterally disarm in the face of obvious threats. >> our next stop on the richard haass world tour is north korea. north korea has launched short range ballistic missiles. here was president trump's response yesterday at the white house. >> north korea they apparently just launched their third missile in a week. is kim testing you? >> i think it's very much under control. >> why do you say that?
>> under control. short range missiles we never made an agreement on that. i have no problem we'll see what happens. but these are short range missiles, they're very standard. >> can you still negotiate with kim after what he's done now? >> sure. these are short range missiles. what we talked about is nuclear. those are short range missiles, sure. a lot of other countries test that kind of missile also. >> so richard, the president has said he has everything under control and quote, he has no problem on the missile launches. >> since the president has had the two summits, north korea has increased the inventory by more than a dozen nuclear weapons and things are not under control. when they test short range missiles they can put into the missiles technologies that can then be introduced into intermediate and long range missiles so this violates the letter if not the freeze. and it violates the u.n. obligations which we and others
have supported. this situation is not in control. we keep talking about denuclearization. in the meantime, north korea is increasing the scale and the quality of the nuclear threat they pose. this administration admittedly inherited north korea and they'll hand it off to someone else a far tougher in box in the case of north korea. >> richard, what has all of the flattery, the love letters the step into north korea gotten the united states? >> absolutely nothing. again, this is a bad situation that has gotten worse. and just to draw contrast, we're ignoring the north korean threat and we're far tougher on the iranian and now we're banning talking to the foreign minister. we're throwing out a diplomatic option with iran and that leaves with us iran moving towards nuclear weapons we don't want that. we don't want to have a war with them. i don't understand the logic, so we're giving north korea a pass.
we've gone a long way from fire and fury and now north korea can get away with everything and with iran we're doubling down in the dynamic that can lead us to the war around the region. >> the president says everything is under control. finally, the ongoing peace attacks between the united states and the taliban could be on the verge of a major break through. an initial end to end the war in afghanistan is 80 or 90% of the way there. but significant challenges remain. the u.s. could withdraw thousands of troops in exchange for concessions from the taliban including a cease-fire, and requirement that the taliban enter into negotiations for a larger peace deal with the afghan government. richard, you look skeptical. >> look i'd love for this to work but going back to vietnam it's a deal to get americans out that we get an agreement with the taliban. we start to pull out troops and
then does anyone think that the taliban will make it work, push out the terrorists. i hope so. but i'm wildly skeptical. the sequencing to get the u.s. troops out early in the process it would leave the afghan government on outs own to face the taliban. there's nothing in history to suggest they'd be successful. >> do you have less skepticism or no? >> no, i agree with richard. there's no indication that the taliban have any other desire other than to take back control of the country which they're doing through military means anyway. i think the stark thing here was again the weakness of the democratic field on the debate stage when it came to this particular issue. where was the democratic candidate saying this is a complicated issue of course everybody would like to see all of those troops home within the first year of a new democratic administration.
but if we do that, we leave our allies vulnerable and we leave intelligence in the area vulnerable and we leave our national security more vulnerable. so we have to take a new nuanced complex at that, yeah we'll get them out in the first year. but it's not realistic or perhaps sensible. where's the democratic candidate saying about north korea we need to get much tougher on north korea? with the sound policy on iran. it was remarkable to me the degree of weakness even from joe biden who has a long history on foreign policy affairs. this is an area where democratic candidate could stand up in the interest of american national security and point to the weaknesses of the president's programs around the world and they missed that opportunity on both nights. >> all right. coming up, two weeks after send her back chants broke out at the president's rally, congresswoman ilhan omar seems to be trolling
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monsters. but franklin d. roosevelt never pretended to be in love with josef stalin. and so in the real world, we have to deal with these people but we don't have to embrace them. >> that is former defense secretary robert gates. friend of my father's. at a roundtable discussion with nbc's andrea mitchell and joe, there are so many reasons why people like gates and like my father if he were still with us who are beyond concerned about what this presidency has done to our place in the world and our national security and it just feels like it's falling on deaf ears. even with the candidates is. >> yeah, well, robert gates obviously worked by your father's side for a very long time and the two -- >> and understood the dynamics of geopolitics. >> an extraordinary relationship.
robert gates understand working with people like your father and knowing -- madeleine albright, knowing these are people who escaped their homelands after adolf hitler and fascism swept through their countries and so people should not roll their eyes when they get warnings from people who survived that time when somebody like madeleine albright draws a parallel or you have robert gates talking about the real concern he has about donald trump's affinity for strong men. trump is a strong man. he is playing the role of a strong man. that is incompatible constitutionally with the madisonian form of government this country has had for 240 years. 240 years, we have been a system of checks and balances. in fact, our constitution was put together specifically -- and
it was a genius of madison and hamilton's constitution that it was put together specifically to thwart the evil designs of strong men. and right now, mika, of course, the constitution is being challenged because as we have said for some time on this show our founding fathers foresaw the rising of an autocrat or a wanna-be strong man. they never foresaw though a compliant congress that was completely just toss away -- >> blindsided -- >> completely submit, completely forget about the article one powers that are given to them to keep this strong man in check that's the real danger right now for this country. >> and people are so blind sided
by everything it's passing us right by. that's how it happens. let's get back to trump's trade war with china. joining us from bloomberg news, sara mcgregor. what do you make of the additional tariffs coming after jerome powell who says that the tariffs represent the biggest threat to the u.s. and global economies? >> yes. so far, the trade war has mainly engulfed the u.s. businesses who are obviously paying the tariffs and american farmers who have been hit by retaliation. they have been the biggest losers from this trade war in america, but come september 1st with the 10% tariffs we'll see american shoppers pulled into the trade war. these last batch of goods, the remaining $300 billion of chinese imports, the cell phones and the toys and headed into can christmas holiday coming up, this is where it will get tricky for trump, in trying to help the
economy and getting the trade deal with china. >> i want to know how this plays to the consumers. a friend of mine texted me yesterday, i'm going to have to raise prices. i don't think people understand how this trickles down and bangs the consumer. just pick a product and kind of do a little bit of math for us and show how the guy going into walmart gets spanked on this. >> absolutely. we saw basically every type of industry you can imagine, retail industry, trade group yesterday come out and slam the trump administration for this move. if you want to look at footwear, the footwear industry has been really vocal about this. you know, a lot of the manufacturing for american retailers is done in china. and that's just one example, you know, the cost of shoes going up 10 or 25% if the trump administration pulls through on the threat to go as high as the 25% and trump said even beyond
that. >> my own view on that, donald trump and the tariffs are the biggest threat to his ability to run on the economy. how do the chinese how retaliate? what might they do and what impact might that have? >> if we look at what's happened previously, china and others who retaliated have targeted the politically sensitive areas. china knows better than anyone hitting the areas like i just said, hitting the farmers or other politically sensitive states really will hit trump where it hurts. so we'll expect to see some of that. we know that china takes sort of other tactics not necessarily hitting back with tariffs but perhaps organizing things like consumer boycotts or putting up investment restrictions. so we could see even smaller ways that -- they seem smaller by china hitting back but which will hit businesses big time. >> all right.
sarah mcgregor, thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. very good to have you and coming up our conspiracy theories. the now domestic terror threat. we'll get the warning from the fbi as the election cycle heats up. and narrowing the field. the democratic candidates, activists and grass roots leaders are ready to see them leave the stage. just a few of them. "morning joe" is back in a moment. we're reporters from the new york times.
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all right. a pretty shot of new york city. sunny, hazy day. welcome back to "morning joe." august 2nd. we have the host of saturday night politics on msnbc, donny deutsch, from the associated press, jonathan lemire. and white house correspondent for pbs news hour, yamiche alcindor. also joining us is the former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments elise jordan. and "time" magazine editor at large and nbc political nall anand giridharadas. his new book is called "winners take all" and it's out now.
it's a difficult time. great to have you on. president trump's rally in cincinnati, ohio, last night, was his eighth campaign stop this year. he had a pretty big crowd. the first since a racist chant of send her back broke out in north carolina two weeks ago. we all remember that. the president avoided mentioning the four minority female democratic lawmakers by name. but continued his week long attack on america's cities. >> it's been total one party control of the inner cities for a hundred years it's been one party control and look at them. we can name one after another, but i won't do that. because i don't want to be controversial. look at los angeles with the tents and the horrible, horrible, disgusting conditions. look at san francisco. look at some of your other
cities. the homicide rate in baltimore is significantly higher than el salvador, honduras, guatemala. i believe it's higher than -- give me a place that you think is pretty bad. give me a place. the guy says afghanistan. i believe it's higher than afghanistan. in our country, think of that. >> so donny, while he didn't -- he's gone from attacking individual members of congress who are people of color to attacking entire cities. he attacked san francisco last night. he attacked baltimore last night. he's attacking cities where he knows he's not going to get any votes. and dividing what he -- come on. let's just stop. i mean, i hope nobody is suggesting that donald trump is doing anything other than telling that largely white crowd
in cincinnati it's us against them. i will attack people of color who run cities, who run urban centers that are predominantly black it's us against them. we are lily-white and they of course live in rat infested, crime infested parts of america. >> yeah, joe, you know, look he -- it can be the four congresswomen, s-hole countries, any metaphor for people of color he'll use. we normalize all his horrific behavior with the chants and we normalize what he -- did you see this color of this? his hair has gone to glow in the dark yellow. i don't know what's going on there. it's particularly flat and particularly yellow. and it just to me i think somebody's colorist, we have to get on that, i know it's not an important issue but for donald it is. but joe i want to pick up where
you started last hour, because with all of his heinousness, he did bring up two points last night and jonathan lemire pointed it out. that the democrats are going after obama instead of himself and are out of touch with the main stream. and that to me is the big takeaway. that if the democrats can't get the message from their consultants, if they can't get the message from pollsters or get the message from folks like you and folks on this air about the enemy is donald trump, not barack obama, we need to refocus them and one quick branding lesson. i want to bring up ronald reagan and michael jordan. what the republicans have done for decades, they understood they had a base brand to build off of. ronald reagan. and they lionized him, year after year. that's a base brand. nike has understood that michael jordan and air jordans are the base brand and even when they come out with a new sneaker they build on that success, they
don't destroy it. message to democrats the enemy is not barack obama but donald trump. you saw him on the stage has night. >> and the base brand right through is barack obama because of the affordable care act and he's the only democrat to receive the majority of america's votes since franklin delano roosevelt. he's a 95 -- he's got a 95% approval rating inside the democratic party. and the majority of americans support now the affordable care act. so build on that base brand. you're exactly right. as i have been saying on this show for months now, when it comes to obamacare, amend it, don't end it. jonathan lemire, it is interest, we keep wondering how low donald trump can go. we said it during his campaign and after his carnage speech,
after charlottesville. we kept saying this is as low as donald trump can go. i think it was you and zig miller with the associated press that reported that actually people that have been concerned by donald trump's management style, both inside and outside of the white house, have actually noted over the past two weeks that if it's possible he's become even more mercurial and that his management style has become even more dangerously erratic. >> well, joe, what we have seen is the utter disappearance of any guard rails around him. and in first year or so of his term there were the grown-ups in the room whether it was defense secretary mattis or mcmaster or secretary of state tillerson for a time who would try to keep the president on track. try to keep -- push book on some of his more out there directives or ignore them altogether, something that mattis would do time after time and dni coats
stepping away is the latest example of that. where on the foreign policy side there are few willing to say no to this president and we are seeing it in his campaign. we are seeing it in his domestic policies as he really gears up for re-election. you know, his campaign is being managed by brad parsekill who is close to jared kushner. it will be a family affair again, they'll be running it. those are people who are not going to push back on the president when he wants to escalate certain issues. let's be clear. the fact that he did not incite the send her back chants last night does not negate the racist comments and tweets he's issued time and time again and he happened to be more disciplined for one night in cincinnati. that can change on twitter at any time and he's told people that he thinks the attacks on the congresswomen of color are a
good issue and also on congressman cummings. there was real concern in the white house about attacking cummings who is well respected on capitol hill. painting an entire american city as being, you know, crime infested and hell holes. but no one there challenged him and the president afterwards when he want win to the senior staff meeting he asked how he thought those tweets played on television. he did not ask for their permission to do it again or whether he thought they were a good idea. he's going to keep doing what he wants to do with very few -- very little resistance inside the white house or at large within the republican party. >> well, anand, he believes i think wrongly, but he believes he can run the 2020 campaign the way he ran parts of the 2016 campaign but as "the new york times" wrote earlier this week can do it with just racism that's out in the open. even more open, openly racist
than george wallace was in his 1968 or 1972 campaigns where wallace would talk about pointy headed pubureaucrats and you ha trump attacking people of color and telling them to go back to where they came from. >> yeah. i am less comforted than you maybe that this is not going to be effective. i actually think it will be effective for the following reason. i think if we step back and you think about what are some of the big themes that -- about that's going on in this country that you talk about on the show all the time. i would say the inequality plutocracy, rich people gaming the system for themselves whether that's donald trump or jeffrey epstein or others or silicon valley and the other is the racial identify transition, the gender identity transition. and if we are talking -- if the dominant conversation in america
is about economics, plutocracy, america not working for people that's a bad conversation for donald trump because he embodies that problem. if he can through chants, through tweets, through these dog whistles, through normal whistles make the conversation we are having the identity conversation, maybe the explicit conversation about race, about gender, about people who want to stay on top fearing they're losing ground, if he can make us have that conversation i think he's in a way more favorable environment. it's not a good republican strategy for 20 years to be the party of male resentment, but maybe for one more go and he's determined to have that be his ploy. >> well, anand, that's a great way to put it. and mika, that is the question that america's history hangs in the balance for for the next four years, whether this can work for one more go because this -- because the demographics
show you that the next 30 years are going to be shaped not by the electorate in 2016 but by obama's 2008 coalition of the ascendant. you have white americans who are getting older. the average age of white american is in the -- i think the 50s. average age of nonwhite americans are in -- i believe in the late 20s. and you just look at all the demographics and they line up in such a way that again, we know how this ends in 2024. the question is whether donald trump and white resentment will have their final curtain call from 2020 to 2024 and that's why this moment is so critically important and perhaps it's why donald trump's thinking he can run out the clock and maybe get elected by pushing those racial
resentments towards a white america who just 30 years ago was 75% of the population and in the next 30 years will actually be a minority. >> well, some think this is a race for quite frankly his future and what he might be facing if he leaves the white house after -- >> are you saying a second term or a jail term? >> facing the second term or a jail term, facing the second district on host of issues he'd be facing the moment he walks out of the white house. you know, i think democrats need to look at donald trump as a man with nothing to lose. because walking out of that white house after the first term, there are many who believe is walking right into jail. >> you know, robert mueller -- we can talk about robert mueller and we had said the day before the rally not to -- the day before robert mueller's speech before congress, his testimony before congress, not to expect much from that. said we were expecting nothing from that. i will say one of the most shocking answers came when
robert mueller was willing to say -- >> to a republican. >> to a republican, that donald trump -- donald j. trump could face an indictment for obstruction of justice the day he walks of out of the white house and if everybody doesn't think that donald trump didn't hear that and will not be motivated by that over the next year and a half, they don't understand donald trump. >> the president rallied last night in a state that has him trailing joe biden in a recent poll. the former vice president defeats trump by eight points in ohio, a state that the obama/biden ticket won by three points in 2012. and by nearly five points in 2008. at a restaurant stop in detroit, biden argued that a small improvement in swing states will defeat trump next year. >> if i get the nomination, i will win michigan. i promise you that.
i will win pennsylvania. i will win ohio. i will win these states that he got 72 extra thousand votes on him to give himself the election. look, folks, it's not the great migration to him. it didn't occur. we're talking about 72,500 votes in three states that changed. >> and again, you know, if you look back at the voting totals, elise, in 2016, you had black turnout at its lowest point in 20 years. that ain't going to happen in 2020. >> well, no, joe biden talks about michigan and in an election that he won with barack obama. wayne county, michigan, there were 76,000 more voters, democratic voters that turned out just in one county in michigan. so if you have a democratic candidate who actually excites african-american voters and
turns out voters who otherwise in 2016 for whatever reason just weren't excited, democrats are going to stand a chance based on the simple numbers and the fact that donald trump is already so unpopular and just barely eked into office in the first place. >> yamiche, the other argument that joe biden can make when it comes to michigan he was part of the obama/biden white house that helped save the automobile industry that plays very well in that state. but i want to ask you about this. of course when there's so much discussion about how biden in particular of the democrats would appeal to sort of the white working class voters who defected from the democratic party to donald trump in 2016 but do you think biden, you know, we know his poll numbers with the african-americans are still very strong. would he -- what other democrat can also energize sort of the more urban voters? increase that black turnout that did fall off in 2016 as we were
discussing? >> first, i have been talking to the democratic consultants who caution democrats from chasing this mythological voter who's this white working class man who has not been voting in large numbers for the democrats for decades. very few if only -- only two modern democratic presidents won the white male vote. so most of the people that i talk to are saying what you need to do is give african-americans and people all over this coun y country, latinos, white women, other people, a reason to really energize you. i think in that regard, democrats because they have b n been -- they had so much support from african-americans, whatever democrats against president trump is likely someone who energized the democratic base. but of course you think of people like senator harris and think of senator booker, pete buttigieg, elizabeth warren is making large inroads with african-american women. some i think the question -- so i think the question is democrats once they get it
together, once they start to focus on just donald trump will be able to energize their bases. i just came back from ohio talking to a lot of trump supporters and i think what's lost on a lot of people when they say oh, the president is going after -- is using this kind of racially charged racist tweets at times, that's somehow an embarrassment to republicans and people don't like that. in fact, the voters i talked to that excites them. they think the president is being not pc when he's doing those things. other people think of it as racist. they think of it as him punching back against democrats and really giving a voice to the republican party. and i came back from dayton, ohio, there was an incident that an immigrant couple was walking down the street and someone screamed go back to your country. and the mayor there is pretty horrified. they have been pushing pro immigrant policies for more than two decades.
the population has more than doubled and now because the president is tweeting you have people in that city having to reckon with the consequences of his speech. >> and yamiche is exactly right. so many of trump's voters aren't horrified or even embarrassed by some of the racist tweets or some of these racist chants. they're energized by it and think that's him quote shaking things up is unbelievable -- as unbelievable as that may be to you and me. donny, yamiche talked about that democrats need to be careful chasing this sort of fictional voter and i have talked to democratic consultants over the last couple of weeks and said let's top talking about the obama/trump voters. the voters the democrats need to focus on are the trump/tammy baldwin voters. baldwin got more votes in wisconsin in 2016 than donald
trump. or in michigan the trump/whitmer voters. the very popular governor of michigan. here you have people splitting their tickets, voting for democratic women and donald trump. that provides a real opportunity for democrats. >> yeah. i see it very much women and suburban voters. i don't break it out we're looking for the old white male that we're losing but i want to go back to two things biden -- what he said in there, such a big word. and it's been donald trump's -- and the democrats win. i will win in michigan. i will win in pennsylvania. and the democrats have got to start using that word win. people follow a winner. win, win, win. the other thing that we're forgetting, why joe biden will get this nomination and i was kind of takeaw -- taking knockst the rest of the democrats, but
he's likable. who do i want to invite into the living room for next four years so the combination of win, baby, and i like that guy in a simple, guttural way and you will see biden getting a big pop in the polls after the last debates. >> while the president was bashing american cities and trying to steer clear of another round of send her back chants, congresswoman omar posted on twitter they said send her back, but speaker pelosi didn't make arrangements to send me back. she went back with me. the speaker joined omar to travel to ghana and marked the 400th anniversary of the beginning of the transatlantic slave trade. going through the final portal through which many slaves passed on their way to the americas. >> boy, mika, so moving. >> incredible. >> shows that nancy pelosi has i
think -- i mean, a woman who was greatly respected in washington, d.c., but this second -- the second speakership for her i think she has exceeded all of the high expectations that were already set for her. she is putting together a speakership that will be remembered -- >> forever. >> for some time to come. >> yeah. still ahead on "morning joe" judging by one metric, elizabeth warren is running away with the democratic nomination. can the senator turn her grass roots support into real votes at the ballot box? we'll run through it, neck on "morning joe." on "morning joe." maria ramirez? hi. maria ramirez! mom! maria! maria ramirez... mcdonald's is committing 150 million dollars
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investigates the potential conflicts of interest presented by the president's various companies and properties. msnbc's katy tur and jacob soboroff travel from new york to washington, d.c. to palm beach, florida, to explore whether the president's businesses are contributing to the swamp that he promised to drain. take a look. >> the trump international hotel opened two weeks in the capital's old post office. a renovation estimated to cost $2 million. the trump organization is six years into the 60-year lease of the building from the federal government. >> with the notable exception of 1600 pennsylvania avenue this is the most coveted piece of real estate in washington, d.c. >> i have been here multiple times. >> it's almost hard to believe that it -- that it's explicitly
illegal for foreign governments or foreign entities to stay here. >> i think that's the question. >> even us. like people like us who the sit here and pay for coffee or potato chips, that ultimately the money goes into the pocket, there are so many issues. why would you want to put yourself in that position? >> it's uncomfortable to give money to the president of the united states in this way. this is a donation to his wallet. >> the new episode of "american swamp" premieres this sunday at 9:00 p.m., right here on msnbc. now to a surprise retirement in congress yesterday that leaves republicans suddenly without a candidate in a pivotal swing district. texas congressman will hurd, the only african-american in the
republican caucus and the only gop member to represent a district on the border announced he will not seek re-election next year. in a district that's about 70% latino and which hillary clinton won in 2016. hurd is one of six republican incumbents to retire in the last two weeks including congressman pete olson whose district is in the houston suburbs. also a top target for democrats. joining us now columnist at the washington examiner kristen soltis anderson and maria urbina who is part of the groups that engage in progressive advocacy. maria has a look at where the 2020 democrats stand among the progressive voters after the debates. joe, your reaction to will hurd's retirement. >> well, it's big news. i mean, i have always noticed
because in 1993 the year before i first ran i noticed democrats were retiring all over the country. it started slowly, it picked up. we saw it again in 2018 a lot of republicans just did not want to defend donald trump and all the madness that was going on there. kristen, that may be the case here with will hurd and some of these other republicans that are announcing their retirements. i think far more interesting is of course the state of texas which democrats believe when that finally swings democratic, whether it's in 2020 or 2024 or 2028 that's look an electoral college check mate. the question is where does texas move in the next -- the next year? and talk about that, looking at the polls, at the fact that beto is ahead of trump in his home state of texas and looking at the fact this is something that democrats had been looking
forward to for a very long time. >> yeah, i mean, donald trump won the state of texas by nine points which is about the same margin he won ohio by. so i think republicans at least for this coming presidential election i still think that it's a pretty safe red place for now. but individual congressional districts are an entirely district story. you saw in the last midterms a number of places, houston and dallas suburbs, the suburbs that surround the cities, in these red states behaving like blue state suburbs. that's going to create a challenge. i don't think in 2020. but certainly further down the road. while i'm very sad about hurd's retirement because i think he's an excellent member of congress, he's always been someone who's been able to make -- you know, criticize the president when he feels that it's justified but sort of sticks to his own guns. is his own person. i'm hopeful that he'll stay engaged in the national political conversation. he has signalled this is not the end of his political career, that he fully intends to use a new platform from outside of
congress to be able to bring the message of what he thinks the republican message ought to be, to communities that really need to hear it and may not be hearing from the gop they're particularly interested in. >> i completely agree. will hurd should be a rising republican star in any other administration he would be. and i'm glad he's talking about staying on the national stage. elise, donald trump has shaken up in a way that is not really positive for the republican party at all. but shaking up -- yes, republicans are doing better in the rural districts who are losing, whose population is going down. but you look at those suburban districts even in places like houston and dallas that were rock solid republican and you look at people like pete sessions who i came in with in 1994. i thought pete would be in
congress for the rest of his life. he was in the safest dallas seat possible. donald trump gets elected, two years later he's voted out of office. >> joe, just look us at all of the blue dots in red states and in texas in particular. the whole foods theory anywhere there's a whole foods and a democrat starts to win and pick up the seat. i just want to mourn representative hurd a little bit. it is -- it's so incredibly depressing that such talent is just fleeing the republican party and you look at someone like congressman hurd with experience at the cia and focus on cyber security and national security and brought so much intellectual heft to congress on the republican side and it's just tragic that he's not the kind of individual that leadership is begging to stay and begging to elevate to leadership roles.
you look at how much stronger of a pick congressman hurd would have been to be the next director of national intelligence. but no, look at who donald trump chooses to go with. >> okay. so maria urbina, i want to ask you about the -- sort of the view of the candidates from the progressive voters especially in liability of the debates. what are you hearing? >> out of detroit we are seeing that warren is doing really well with grass roots communities. she is leading far and away and both in our polling and our membership surveying of who would you pick if you had to pick someone today and more importantly she is leading when we asked folks are you considering? and 91% picked more than one candidate and she is leading when we look ahead. i think that's an important distinction as well. >> jonathan lemire? >> a follow-up to that about elizabeth warren. she has been touting -- even got praise on the show yesterday from her rival, cory booker,
about the organization she has particularly in the early states like iowa. we have see -- we are seeing this grass roots surge for her. she's picked up in the polls but yet there's a significant gap between where she is, in second or third depending on which poll you're looking at and where joe biden is. who has a pretty significant lead. what sort of obstacles does warren face to cut into the leads particularly among minority voters? >> so i think it's slow and steady, right? i think if you're senator warren's team, you're six months out from iowa. you have plenty of time to grow the coalition and vice president biden came in, he had a ton of name i.d. and folks knew him, but it's important to look at the ceiling. in our -- and our memberships of indivisibles he does not do very well when they look ahead and
saying who are you looking at in this entire field of candidates? >> the polls seem to reinforce that coming out of the debates, the primary on the democratic side seems to have a very focused question which is is this precisely the moment for caution, neutrality, sobriety, not wanting to restructure society as warren said, is this the time to laser like focus on trump, or is this precisely the moment for a big, exciting, bold vision of the kind that i think warren and sanders both offer in their own ways. and i think it's a really -- you know, we were just arguing about that at the table off camera. you know, is this the moment to kind of shelve that or as i'm inclined to think is this precisely the moment to answer the kind of negative electricity that donald trump is so full of, with the positive electricity of a vision of transforming fundamental things about this country. >> but, you know, i wonder
though whether that answer to that question is an ideological answer or not. i think there are so many people that are looking at the candidates and saying, who can beat donald trump? who is going to be strong up on that stage facing off against donald trump? and my sense is at least this year ideology is taking a back seat. not only to democrats, but to independents and to former republicans who really believe that the defeat of donald trump is the most important task at hand and they would vote -- if they knew a progressive would beat trump. as for me, you know what? people are concerned about bernie sanders. bernie sanders at least respects constitutional norms. bernie sanders understands that we have three branches of government. bernie sanders understands what article one means, what article two and what article three means. so we actually would return
whether it's bernie sanders or the most conservative democrat out there, we would return to a system where there were checks and balances and as always, we would not dart too far right or dart too far left. >> i agree with you. it's not about ideology. i think what it's about is simplicity. because what the president offers is dark negative simplicity. the wall is simple. it's a terrible idea but it's simple. it's eloquent, everyone can understand it and it tickles the reptile brain and makes everyone feel something. bad but it does that. but if you counter that, elizabeth warren i did an interview with her earlier this year. right before we walked on stage together, she has we have to be the party that stops talking about block grants. like medicare for all is wall-like in its simplicity. forget the politics. >> but it's -- >> everybody can understand what it is. >> but the democratic version of
the wall. >> here's the simplicity of it. oh, donald trump says they wants to take away 130 million hard working americans your insurance. like the electricity and the excitement of warren versus the electricity of trump, to me you sometimes fight negative electricity with comfort food neutrality in a certain way. i use the example many times on this show, many times i'd push a client to do a crazy car ad -- >> donny, let me stop you. anand brought up the wall. what do democrats need to bring up? hope and change. i'm not saying they use hope and change but i'm just saying when you thought of barack obama you thought of hope and change. he made sure your did. his people made sure you did. when you think of donald trump, you think about the wall. right? so there needs to be a democrat that when you think about congress, what do you think of? moscow mitchell. when you think about where the democrats are going to take the
country over the next four years, you know, what's this year's version of hope and change? it's got to be stripped down. they have to carry it in the front of their mind every second of every day. and it does need to be stripped down. we need to go to the moon, we choose to go to the moon not because it's simple. we choose to go to the moon because it is hard. that's what the democrats need to do, they need to strip down their language. more economical and hit people between the eyes. >> i'm going to strip it down. >> as long as you don't strip down. >> decency. we're going back to who we are. we are decent and we are hard working and we have -- we're going to make sure that the 25 million people don't lose their health care and that the minimum wage gets where it needs to be. we are for the many, we are for decency, not evil.
that's the stripped down message. >> you know, kristen soltis anderson, i believe that using the republicans words against them would actually be the most effective thing. i remember whenever i ran and i'd be giving speeches, i would quote de tocqueville and they say, it may not have been de tocqueville that said this, i said, credit to me. when america ceases to be good, then america will cease to be great. make america good again. i await the moment when a democrat walks through that door and takes old republican lines that worked for every administration before donald trump and apply them in a fight against donald trump. >> i think what you're more likely to see over the next 17 months or 15 months or how ever long it is until the election is
republicans using democrats' words against them. i mean to this question of what is the -- what is the thing that these voters in the middle who are frustrated and exhausted what are they looking for? when i do focus groups the first question is what is a word about describing about what's going on in the country, people feel unsure, confuse and uncertain. and i feel the problem sr. to democrats up on the debate stages hay they had the fellow partisans saying your policies are too extreme and won't work and what voters are frustrated about, washington is too extreme. everyone is too extreme. nothing is getting done. things aren't working. so i think what you're more likely to see instead of seeing the republicans using the words against them, but the opposite. i think the republicans will go after if it's a bernie or elizabeth warren someone who is supporting the policies kind of the democrat version of the wall. that's the direction i think
that's more likely to go. >> kristen soltis anderson, thank you. maria urbina thank you as well. you sparked a great conversation. come back, please. coming up, the fbi has a new kind of domestic terrorism threat to look out for. and it says with the upcoming 2020 elections the violence stemming from the threats is expected to escalate. that's next on "morning joe." my experience with usaa has been excellent. they really appreciate the military family and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else?
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a new exclusive report from yahoo news says the fbi is for the first time identifying fringe conspiracy theories as a domestic terrorist threat. previously unpublicized 2019 fbi intelligence bulletin from the bureau's phoenix field office obtained by yahoo news describes quote conspiracy theory driven domestic extremists as a growing
threat. the document also states the fbi believes conspiracy theory driven extremists are likely to increase during the 2020 presidential election cycle. for more details on the exclusive report let's bring in yahoo news contributor jana winter and with us state attorney for palm beach county john aronberg. how long has this been looked at as a threat and more specifically what kinds of threat might we see during the next election? >> well, we know that this bulletin was dated may 30th, so since then the fbi has been tracking conspiracy theory groups or people who interact with them and calling them a domestic terrorism threat. >> and so explain what -- you know, this -- the driven conspiracy theory driven extremist threat looks like. how does it work? how might it work in the next
election? >> well, according to this bulletin, the increasing political rhetoric, there's all sorts of -- basically the fbi is now defining what is and what isn't a conspiracy theory. and as the race heats up for 2020, they are looking out for potential conspiracy theory type things that will result in violence. basically it really expands the ability of the fbi to monitor what people are doing. >> so i know one of the organizations you write about in the piece is q -- qanon is one of the groups. i noticed that the -- that last night in cincinnati there were a number of people wearing "q" shirts there. some are doing it as sort of a joke but others are more believing in it. so walk me through a little bit as to what would the fbi do? what sort of threshold would the
conspiracy theories have to cross for the fbi to step in? it was a conspiracy theory that led to the pizzagate incident in washington which was real violence and could have claimed some lives. >> right. i mean, there's a lot we don't know. i read the document. so did you. and you, and the fbi doesn't really outline exactly what line can be crossed before they are investigating someone, but they do mention qanon, and they mention president trump by name in association with the motivations behind that group, and we have to see what else is going on. the thing is we don't know what is really happening behind the scenes, and this is a real change that can affect the next administration and for years after. >> all right, dave aronberg, chime in on the legal implications here. >> this show is why we need a statute on domestic terrorism. you know the rahatham case, a white nationalist with a
manifesto and target list and he was nearly granted pretrial release because there is no separate charge of domestic terrorism. the reality is domestic terrorism is on the rise and according to christopher wray that a majority of it is motivated by white supremacist violence and as such we need to recognize this new reality, and we need to pass a new law that mentions domestic terrorism specifically in the law because if that christopher hasan guy was charged with international terrorism there's no doubt he would be kept behind bars until trial, but domestic terrorism is not treated the same way. >> jana winter thank you for bringing light to this for your report. appreciate your being on this morning, and dave aronberg, i want to touch on a couple of other stories, have you weigh in. a federal judge has signaled jeffrey epstein won't stand trial on sex trafficking charges until at least june of next year. a subdued epstein appeared in court on tuesday for the first
time since he was found injured in his new york city jail cell last week. apparently semiconscious with marks on his neck. there was no mention of the incident during the brief hearing, and the 66-year-old displayed no outward signs of injury as he sat quietly while his lawyers and the prosecutors discussed a possible trial date. epstein was arrested, of course, on july 6th on charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy. he has pleaded not guilty to this. meanwhile, the "new york times" reports that epstein was reportedly hoping to cede the human race with his dna by impregnating women at his new mexico ranch. the report by the paper based on interviews with more than a dozen of his acquaintances and public records detailed how epstein planned to develop an improved super race of humans
using genetic engineering and artificial intelligence. nbc news has not verified this report. they also report with his fascination on an unproven science in which people's bodies are frozen and to be brought back to life in the future. he shared his plans with prominent scientists like stephen hawking at multiple lavish dinners and gatherings. the paper writes that the lure for some of the scientists was epstein's money. quote, the prospect of financing blinded them to the seriousness of his sexual transgressions, and even led them to give credence to some of mr. epstein's half baked scientific musings. there is no evidence epstein ever set his plan into motion. let me back up here. i understand there's going to be like a million pages of discovery for his trial. i mean, it's not going to be until next june. explain what the logistics are here. there's so much that's going to come out. when is it going to come out?
>> it's going to start filtering out, especially as the federal prosecutors start disclosing what kind of information they have. if epstein is found to have been in possession of child pornography in his manhattan mansion, that will be additional charges and additional years to his possible sentence. you're right, mika, the real reason why you won't see a trial until at least june 2020 is because the federal government just disclosed that they have more than 1 million pages of evidence against epstein. that came out on wednesday, and as far as that "new york times" article you mentioned -- >> wow. >> yeah. that was a crazy article. it talked about how the scientific community bought into some of this stuff because of epstein's money. you had stephen hawking traveling with epstein at some of his parties. it really is kind of disappointing to hear. the to me the craziest thing about that article was his belief in cryogenics which is where you freeze your body after you die. i know it's an early morning show, so i'll be clean on this one. he wanted to freeze two parts of
his body. you can guess one of them. the other one was his head. >> oh, my god. just ew. i mean. >> yeah. >> ew. >> okay. >> ew. >> so i just want to -- since he has gone for so long, for so many years, basically doing horrible things allegedly, since he was already convicted of something and people still hung out with him, what are the chances he skates and information does not come out? please help me understand how the law has him surrounded here, or are there possibilities that jeffrey epstein could are strike again in any way? >> i don't think he's going to ever see the light of day again. i think this these charges are serious enough and more charges will likely be forthcoming because you have the southern district of new york, which has appealed to the public for additional victims, and there are a lot of potential victims who have allegedly come forward.
plus, you could see additional charges such as the child pornography charges which can be added. i think there are a lot of people associated with epstein who should be sweating right now because there are a lot of documents out there, a lot of photographs, and a lot of videos perhaps that can implicate other individuals. i do not think, however, that the federal prosecutors would entertain a plea deal with epstein, they probably won't need it. do they want to go down that road after entering a plea deal with epstein after the nonprosecution deal blew up in their face. >> let's stay on this, thank you very, very much. >> thank you. >>. still ahead president trump said at his rally last night that he didn't want to be controversial, but then he ramped up the rhetoric about baltimore ask extended his attacks to chicago, san francisco, and los angeles. we'll show you the key moments. plus, joe biden pushes back at the criticism he faced about president obama's legacy during this week's democratic debate.
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>> so disaster relief for california or puerto rico, not so much. for russia, aok. good morning, it's friday. can you believe it? it's friday. welcome to "morning joe." it's august 2nd. along with joe, willie and me we have the host of saturday night politics donny deutsch. president of the council on foreign relations and author of the book "world in disarray" richard haas. white house reporter for the associated press jonathan la mere, and white house correspondent for pbs news hour, yamiche alcindor. >> jonathan, the president was in cincinnati last night. i of course since the red sox have completely tanked and thrown in the entire season because dombroski didn't want to buy a reliever. >> come on now. >> you know what? i could actually watch the rally and i did.
very interesting, and i'll talk about what i saw. i think he's now moving into this sort of new different sort of autocrat in waiting pose, but we'll talk about that in a minute. what did you see there last night? >> well, after two nights of the political world focusing on the democratic debates in detroit, last night all eyes were trained on cincinnati watching the president. this was his first rally since the one a few weeks ago where those send her back chants broke out about the congressman omar, the somali born congresswoman who moved to america as a child and is a u.s.those chants would, whether the president stop them. early in the first minutes of the rally, he made a mention of the four radicalists, the four congresswomen of color that some have dubbed the squad. there were no chants. however, what he did go on further was a long, long attack at urban cities, urban centers
and cities of this country, particularly ones run by democrats. he didn't mention elijah cummings by name. >> there's also by the way, cities that were run by black leaders or predominantly black urban centers. it reminded me a lot of the whole quote s-hole country. so if you're a city that is predominantly black or run by a black leader, then he now is putting you in the same category that he puts countries in the caribbean and in africa that are run by black leaders. >> at one moment when a protester was being moved out of the arena he asked jokingly whether or not the mayor of cincinnati was a democrat. this was clearly a new line of attack for him. this is where -- this is something he feels like is a winning issue for him going into the election. there were lots of republicans and white house staffers were very nervous about the send her back chants. the president himself at the
white house leaving had indicated that he didn't really want his supporters to say it, but he of course as he always does, if the chant starts out, we'll see what happens. he's certainly loathe to criticize his base. >> it's the kind of attention that trump loves, just going right to the edge. let's take a look at what happened last night in cincinnati. >> it's been total one party control of the inner cities. for 100 years it's been one party control, and look at them. we can name one after another, but i won't do that because i don't want to be controversial. look at los angeles with the tents and the horrible, horrible disgusting conditions. look at san francisco. look at some of your other cities. the homicide rate in baltimore is significantly higher than el salvador, honduras, guatemala.
i believe it's higher than -- give me a place that you think is pretty bad. give me a place. the guys say afghanistan. i believe it's higher than afghanistan. in our country, think of that. >> you know, there were a lot of protests. trump was sort of walking across this stage sniffing, you know how he does, breathing it all in. he sort of -- he had this thing down that he's actually amping up his on stage performances. he actually reminded me -- you see the austin powers movies? >> oh, yeah. >> he sort of reminded me at times of a fat bastard. it's a character. it's a character in austin powers, and he's sniffing, and he's looking around. he's like thank you. i thought he was going to say get into my stomach at one
point. he just is really starting to take on this role of dear leader, and you can see it last night more than usual. he's amping it up. he's amping his audiences up. he's amping up his racial attacks. he's amping up the demagogue ry. this is a guy, as david brooks said in the "new york times," this is a guy that's a force, and the only way the democrats are going to be able to beat him is with an equal force. >> we've become so numb to the way donald trump bhaiehaves. when you watch a rally like that, the president is trashing the cities over with which he presides, whether it's los angeles or baltimore. he knows politically he's not going to win those places. he's made a calculation he can go after that to stoke up the people in the crowd, to stoke up pee
the people who came out and voted for him last time. how far the bar has been lowered for donald trump. when everyone was crossing their fingers and saying let's see if he asks the public, the group in front of him or encourages the group in front of him to chant send them back about the united states citizens. about united states congresswomen, and when he doesn't do that, everyone says oh, good, okay, at least he doesn't do that. that's the president of the united states, and people are acting grateful that he didn't let the crowd chant send them back. >> in some ways this is, i think, what has made president trump be able to survive scandals and controversies because right when you think he's going to hit his lowest, president trump pulls back just a little and says you know what? i'm not going to go for the racist chant of send her back. instead what i'm going to do is make light for several minutes of the suffering of families and of american citizens all across this country in places like baltimore and chicago, which happen to have majority black cities and centers, but then not make -- not talk about the
suffering that's going on in the state that he's in, which is ohio. i just came back from ohio. there's a place called masery, ohio, it's nicknamed misery, ohio, because people are suffering so much between economic devastation, and drug overdoses and the president didn't say anything about that. abby phillip had a really smart tweet, can you imagine the president going on an extended riff about the opioid crisis and overdoses in rural areas across the country, and you probably can't. you probably can't imagine the president focusing on the counties that i visited, which are 95% white, 91% white in a lot of areas that went for him overwhelmingly in ohio. he opportunity want to talk about the struggles that those places are facing because a lot of them are run by republicans. >> yeah, and when he's walking around like that, donny deutsch, if i'm a little kid, i'm worried. i'm worried. get in my stomach. it's an austin powers joke. jonathan lemire and the
associated press wrote an article this past week about how donald trump keeps lowering the bar, that every time you think he has gone as low as he can possibly go, which is of course over three years, has been a great deal that even the most cynical white house observers before he started attacking elijah and started attacking these women of color in congress thought that trump had gone as long as he could go, and as jonathan reports a lot of white house observers and people inside the white house were shocked that actually the frantic sort of management lifestyle has become even more detached and even more dangerous. >> yes. >> and we don't know where the bottom is. we do know this he continues to shock by the day. >> you know, you use the austin powers rather light metaphor. with all seriousness, mussolini, when he's standing up there on the terrace like this, the face
like that, to me the parallels with trump in terms of the self-satisfaction at the chaos he's creating, the parallels are stunning there. you know what's so ironic, coming off of to me pretty poor debates both nights for the democrats, if trump stood up and basically talked about the economy. and hey, by the way two benchmark democrat strongholds criminal reform and immigration, they brought up that obama deported more people than i ever did. they were arguing about critical refrm. i passed the most comprehensive political reform act, stronghold democratic benchmarks that he could own. of course he opportunity go ther -- he doesn't go there. i talked about him being a tractional ied owe log. he's going to keep lowering it, keep digging into that base, and sometime around april, may, next year pivot and start acting somewhat normal, and to your whole premise of this segment. >> i don't think that's possible.
>> none of this is normal. so, so, so low that when he starts just giving a normandy speech and starts talking about why don't we relook at health care a little bit. people are going to go wow there's this mad irony that's happening here. everybody goes he's going to keep going here. i think he's digging, digging, digging, and then he's going to pivot and really be tough to beat. >> there are a lot of people concerned about that, but he has not proven himself capable of being disciplined for more than a day or two. he can give the normandy speech, but then he will go and give an interview on fox news with the crosses of the dead from d-day behind him and launch the most just inflammatory terrible political attacks against people in the united states. so he can't -- he just -- he's incab incapable of doing that. i will say the thing that last night's rally showed, and it was a great -- i think it was a
great comparison with what the democrats were doing, it showed that here was a guy that strutted across the stage. he was being a demagogue. i would say mussolini-like. just picking at racial resentments constantly, and then you go, like the previous two nights and you have democrats going well, you know, i have looked at subsection 3 of page 487 of your medicare for all plan, and i fear that after the third deductible that the coverage may not be as satisfactory if you are in medicare zone 3 instead of medicare zone 1. of course, of course you have to weigh that with a bookings -- i could go on all night because the democrats went on all night. they never -- there's not a democrat on the stage that understands how to take it to a
higher level, that understands the bigger theme, and i think most importantly something that trump understood from the very beginning that they need to get, you don't have to play by the rules. if cnn or msnbc sets up a question to say, senator harris, joe biden is a jerk, and he thinks you're a jerk. how do you respond, you know what? they don't have to play by the rules. they can go i think joe biden has served this country well. >> there you go. >> i'm very proud of everything he's done, and i stand with joe biden. he stands with me. now let's talk about the man who is changing america for the worse, donald trump. they don't have to take the bait, but they always do. >> yeah. >> and there doesn't seem to be a democrat that understands where we are right now in history against this man. >> i was laughing, i'm so glad i got lost in that whole health care debate, too. at one point i was thinking i do not know my health care policy
enough. i was thinking if i don't understand this and we're covering this every day, then what are the voters making of this. you're right, look, if they are going to try to go high as a party, in a sense these debates are certainly not the best opportunity to take on barack obama as you've been saying, joe, over the last couple of days, the most democrat living at the moment, not take on his health care plan which has something like an 87% approval rating among democrats as well, and they don't need to do that game of taking on each other, and that is why that second night in particular of the debates was so dissatisfying and why it makes the field look so weak. i struggled by the end of the that three-hour long second debate to see joe biden up against donald trump on a debate stage. i mean, donald trump will change the facts, ignore the facts, reverse himself, but he'll do it with his phenomenal bluster and confidence the whole time through, and against that if joe biden were the nominee and were going to put in that
performance, he's looking kind of slightly distracted and not in control of himself and not in control of the surroundings, ask that's just not going to be a good look for him. the only reason biden is ahead 19 points in the polls in that pack is because people think he can win. that belief can disappear pretty fast, and once it does, what are the democrats left with? >> still ahead on "morning joe" joe biden hits the trail with a new layup of a docking point, reminding folks that former president obama is still hugely popular, and democrats probably don't want to spend their time attacks him. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. hmm. exactly. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
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>> i was watching the so-called debate last night, and i also watched the night before. that was long, long television, and the democrats spent more time attacking barack obama than they did attacking me practically. >> so jonathan la mere, that's donald trump at the rally you were last night talking about the debate which he of course watched. what was his big picture take away from that debate besides what he said right there? >> despite being our nation's number one tv critic, he made two key points. one you just played about the attacks on barack obama. more than that, a few moments later he said this, the democrats have never been so out of step with the mainstream. i think that's the point that joe was just saying is that the idea of -- in those debates there seemed like the democrats were bogged down on some issues that are not necessarily that
popular among the electorate, of course the president is going to use this as a divide. he's going to what any opposing politician would do, but he makes a point there that i think has unnerved some democrats, the idea that they can be seen as playing too much perhaps to certain quarters of the liberal base and maybe are missing what a wide swath of what middle america might want. there are arguments either way. there's a lot of liberal energy, rightly so. that is where the president is going. as much as we don't want to over praise him because of his discipline, because at any moment he could wake up, go on twitter and revive his send her back attacks, but last night as he sort of did stick to the script outside of he did make fun of robert mueller's appearance at the hearing, sarcastically said he was sharp as a tack, but he largely outside of that long riff about the american urban centers, which of course those are people he represents as well, and seems to ignore, he largely stayed on
his point about talking about his administration's accomplishments, and more than that, how well the economy's doing. that is what his advisers have been urging him for months and months to be disciplined, to stay on that. of course it's anybody's guess how long that lasts. >> you know, speaking willie of a lack of discipline, the democrats had decided to attack barack obama's immigration plan and be really pushy about it suggesting he was heartless like donald trump on immigration. >> that's nuts. >> the ones that kept trying to say that the affordable care account was somehow moderate and came up far too short and was a disgrace and was part of republican talking points, those people played right into joe biden's hands. >> yeah. >> you saw joe biden actually as the defender, the lone defender of barack obama. >> good lord. >> and obamacare. that's worth ten points for him, and by the way, if i'm a democrat and i'm not, so democrats you don't have to tell me on twitter i'm not. i'm not, but if i'm a democrat and i've heard donald trump
riding barack obama into the ground since he's been president of the united states and i hear democrats on stage doing the same thing, those people never get my vote. never, never get my vote. it was a stupid move on their part, and they better recalibrate because this is a big, plus for joe biden. >> i talked to some democrats that night who said it felt like we lived in a parallel universe. are we really going after the legacy of the man we love. it felt wild to a lot of people. did you hear all those guys last night, did you hear all those women last night, what they were talking about? i'm the guy still who's going to go win you michigan. i'm going to go win wisconsin. i'm going to go win pennsylvania. i'm going to get back all the people. there's some wild liberal ideas out there, and you heard them last night. i'm the guy right here who's going to take back the states that cost you the last election.
>> that ultimately is the best path for the democrats to win not just their base but the center. the other thing that struck me is how little the democrats talk about foreign policy and national security. when they do, who do they sound like, they sound like donald trump. let's get out of afghanistan our first year, we're against all trade agreements. i think foreign policy one of the great as a ruvulnerabilitie protectionist on the way they come off. i don't know how that helps them. bob mueller's testimony failed to change two things. one, president trump is still lying, and two, russia is still interfering. we'll run through the president's latest comments about vladimir putin next on "morning joe."
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u.s. elections right now. did you raise that with vladimir putin? >> you don't really believe this, do you believe this? >> we didn't talk about that. >> said right now he believes russia is interfering with the election. >> i watched mueller. i'm not sure mueller knows what's going on if you want to know the truth. >> it's not just mueller, of course. here's what president trump's own fbi director christopher wray told judiciary chairman lindsey graham just last week. >> are you russians still trying to interfere in our election system? >> the russians are absolutely intent on trying to interfere with our elections. >> heard it again and again, it's overwhelming. we've heard for years that russia is meddling, continues to meddle, has meddled. the president denying it yesterday. another piece of russian news, the united states pulling out of the inf treaty signed by president reagan and gorbachev in 1987. >> it's one of those important
achievements of the cold war. it shows you two things, one is the russians clearly not complied with it in some ways. rather than really trying to keep it together, we've decided we're going to break it. we don't have new systems that we particularly need to feel better the treaty precludes. we're worried about the emergence of china on the global scene. this is a bilateral treaty and it's a sign how the old arrangements are inadequate into the world we're moving into. we had a bilateral u.s./soviet world. we now have something very different, and the architecture of what people like me do for a living hasn't kept up. >> you mentioned china, the president escalating the trade war yesterday announcing a new round of tariffs on china. where is this headed? >> i don't see how this leads to a big agreement. i think this administration still has to decide what's their definition of success is with china. we're not going to get them to change their economic model. the question is whether you can get a limited agreement that each side can live with.
these new tariffs don't come into effect for another month. there's still another chance to do it. quite possibly both sides have decided that rather than looking to compromise to get an agreement, they'd rather tough it out. the president may not want to be outflanked by democrats on trade or china so hanging tough to take the hit maybe hoping that the federal reserve, this will pressure them to lower rates again to compensate for the economic slowing down that the tariffs are causing. >> the white house -- they walked away with not much and the president's response was to escalate the trade war? >> yeah, one of the things that happened in shanghai was that president trump came to the realization that all of the things that china had been promising in exchange for relief from these tariffs were not actually happening, things like flooding american markets with fentanyl was something that the white house had understandably wanted china to stop doing and now they're not doing it. this new round of tariffs, though, this is actually the round that could hit american
consumers more than all of the previous rounds. these are the ones that the people who are trump voters might start feeling. there are going to be tariffs on things like kids' clothing, toys, computers, smartphones, the kinds of things that americans are buying every day. it's only 10%, but you know, 10% hike on your new smartphone, a 10% hike on your kids' clothes if that's something that you're struggling to pay for already in some of the states that donald trump wants to win, if they come into effect, these could be the tariffs that actually american voters start really to feel, and it does suggest that the trade war is not ramping down. you look at the stock market yesterday, it had been going fine. these tariffs were anunsed anoud it started falling fast. >> coming up on "morning joe," we're going to bring in senator chris coons of delaware. will he list off all the reasons why democrats think president obama was terrible? >> i don't think so. >> probably not. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ♪ you try hard,
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breaking economic news now with the release of the july jobs report. let's go to cnbc sara eisen for the numbers. >> jobs continue to paint a healthy picture of the u.s. economy. 164,000 jobs added in the month of july. that was pretty much what economists were looking for. they were looking for a headline of around 165,000 jobs. the unemployment rate stays at 3.7% in this country, and that is just about at a 52-year low. it shows the strong gains we have seen in employment over the last few years. wages also a bright spot in this report, rising 3.2% from this month last year, and that was actually a little bit better than economists were looking for and shows some progress in terms of the employers paying their employees. so what i can tell you now is if
you smooth it all out because you know how volatile every single month's report is, if you look at the first seven months of 2019, it looks like the u.s. is averaging about 165,000 jobs per month, which is definitely decent. it's a step down from what we saw in 2018, though, last year when we saw more than 200,000 jobs added. but keep in mind, we're past ten years into this recovery. it is prolonged, and it continues to show healthy job growth. in terms of where the jobs were, health care was a nice bright spot, financial industry also showed jobs but not so much in the mining, retail, and information technology sectors. what i can tell you is we're getting a lot of mixed messages on the economy right now. jobs still looks good, the economy is still growing. the last gdp report we got was about 2%, not the 3% growth we got in the beginning of the year, but still decent, and yet there are increasing signs of weakness like manufacturing. a lot of the industries that touch global trade and that
touch the global economy are really starting to weaken, which is why we saw the federal reserve cut interest rates for the first time in more than a decade this week. >> yes, we did see that. >> yeah, we did. >> sara, joe here. talk about the concerns this morning as wall street wakes up and comes to work about an escalating trade war with china and the fears that china yesterday is saying something that i had heard from international diplomats that they were simply recalibrating their economy and were saying, well, if it's going to be this difficult to deal with the united states, we're going to turn more of our focus to europe. we're going to turn more of our focus to other parts of the world and figure out how to retool our economy without as big of a focus on the united states. >> it's already something we have been seeing, china reefg out -- reach ing out to other
countries. yesterday we were rallying more than 300 points in the dow, and bam, president trump tweets not enough progress on the trade talks, we're going to have an extra 10% tariff on the remaining $300 billion worth of chinese imports, and as you guys have been discussing this really hits at the heart of the u.s. economy, and that is the consumer. so far consumer's been inlatsuld from the tariffs. now we're talking about apple iphones, apartiapareapparel, fo accessorie accessories. will that 10% be raised on the consumer, or will the companies absorb it. wall street's pretty nervous about it, and you're seeing the selloff that we saw yesterday, that 300 point rally turned into a nearly 300 point decline in the markets. sharp moves in treasuries, signaling really strong growth concerns. it does look to extend this morning with a lot of pressure on the entire stock market this morning. >> all right, cnbc's sara eisen
thank you so much. let's bring in a member of the senate foreign relations and judiciary committees democratic senator chris coons of delaware, and we should note this he is backing joe biden's bid for president. what a shock coming from delaware. just completely, i almost fell out of my chair. so senator, you know, the arrogance of donald trump and the arrogance of a lot of people in the united states to believe that we can continue this trade war and escalate this trade war with china without china looking elsewhere, you know what, we just -- we will just trade more with the e.u. countries. we'll trade more with canada. we'll trade more with other countries across the globe suggests that some people think that we are still in 1999. the world has changed dramatically, and china once they reinvest, once they retool, we lose a lot of that capital and a lot of that investment for decades to come.
>> that's right, joe. this is exactly my core concern with how president trump has approached our trade issues with china. look, i have supported president trump's initiatives to make evening the playing field, leveling the playing field between the united states and china a central focus of our foreign policy. china has been ripping off our inventions ask intellectual property for decades and forcing our companies to transfer technology in a way that has helped fuel their rise, but what trump got wrong was to first take the club of tariffs and swing it at our closest allies, at canada, at mexico, at all of our vital allies in europe and asia before taking that tool to china. so we face china in an america first posture, which tragically as you just said may end up being america alone, rather than having brought together all the free societies, all of the countries that have been so well-aligned with us for 70 years, which has led to our
prosperity and security. president trump has been distancing our allies from us. i was at the munich security conference last year when chancellor angela merkel of germany said america is no longer a reliable ally. that sent ripples throughout the room and frankly the ways in which trump and his administration have pushed and challenged and tested our alliances has left us in a weaker position. his bold move now to add $300 billion in chinese consumer goods to the goods subject to tariffs had a big effect on the market yesterday, and i think we all need to remember that tariffs are taxes. these are taxes that have so far been paid by farmers, by manufacturers, by exporters. now they're going to start hitting consumers in september, and i'm hopeful that we're going to be able to stay the course, get a good deal, and get out of this trade war. >> senator, it's jonathan lemire. the political event this week was the pair of democrat debates
in detroit. you have indicated you have endorsed joe biden. two questions for you, there were a lot of concerns coming out of the vice president's performance in the first debate. he did still have some stumbles this time around too. my first question is do you feel like he has alleviated those worries that people feel like he is perhaps not up for this race? and my second question is were you as surprised as we've been discussing today and all week about the number of attacks on the biden/obama legacy? and do you think that's effective for democrats going forward? >> absolutely i think joe biden did what he had to do in detroit. i was there. i was grateful to have the opportunity to be with him and to see him perform so well. the first debate in miami i think he was genuinely taken aback that colleagues who he considers close friends came after his record and president obama's record so pointedly and forcefully at times, and i was surprised to see that on the debate stage in detroit. president obama is the most popular, most unifying recent two-term democratic president.
he has a very strong record of moving our country forward on things from health care to climate change, and joe biden impact on detroit and the state of michigan. i frankly think what we should have heard on the stage in detroit is how we are all united in advancing health care at a time when president trump and republicans in the senate are trying to take away health care, take away pre-existing condition protection for millions of americans. >> senator coops, elise jordan here, if we could switch gears a bit and talk about the rising tensions with iran, the trump administration announced new sanctions on the iranian foreign minister calling him the chief prop began dis, which of course is true but also the foreign minister as the chief negotiator for iran. how does this move increase the likelihood that the relationship will end up in a military conflict and not a diplomatic solution? >> well, you raise an excellent point. one of my core concerns is the
lack of open channels that would allow both our dip mats and our military to avoid an unintended conflict with iran. there's been a lot of debate and discussion in the senate about our policy in the middle east, the lack of a clear strategy. the current administration has a very aggressive pressure campaign against iran, and again, i'll say iran is a dangerous regime that does spread terrorism and support destabilizing proxies throughout the region, but for us to put them under greater and greater pressure without the sort of back channels or opportunities for negotiation that would allow them to say uncle and to come back to the table, which i think this latest move to sanction foreign minister zarif indicates is not wise and may well lead to an unintended conflict, the costs and the duration of which we really can't predict. >> all right, senator chris coons, thank you very much. up next, joe's moscow mitch
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can i ask you something? did you coin moscow mitch? was that -- >> you know, i actually did. yes i did. >> that is great lyric writing. >> so yesterday joe interviewed renowned musician ben folds. a great conversation about music and politics that we'll be playing for you in the coming days. as you heard, folds brought up joe's recent moniker for mitch mcconnell, moscow mitch. folds was impressed by the term and said it inspired a new song which he debuted last night. ♪ m-m-moscow mitch >> pretty good. so now to -- i love it actually -- sounds very good.
>> so we have to hear more of that. we'll be back in touch with ben and will play his interview next week. we need a full recording for "moscow mitch" and it is going global. speaking of global, let's talk about the global citizen festival. >> it is once again returning to central park on saturday, september 28th. here's who is taking the stage this year. ♪ in the street gonna be a big man some day you got mud on your face a deep disgrace kicking your can all over the place ♪ ♪ we will we will rock you ♪ we will we will rock you ♪ i can't hear you say it ♪ we will we will rock you >> and joining us now the ceo of global citizen, hugh evans. hugh, it is always good to have you on the show. this event is really a must see
for everybody as the close of the summer comes. what are you highlighting this year? what are some of the changes that you might be adding to the event as it evolves and grows every year? >> well, thank you so much, mika, and great to see you, joe. thank you for having me on this morning. we're so excited this year marks our tenth anniversary as an organization and movement and over the last ten years close to $40 billion has been pledged for the eradication of extreme poverty around the world. this year marks a critically important year because in our tenth anniversary we want to celebrate the every day heroes, the global citizens around the world, the millions of them who have been taking action year in, year out, to see a world free from extreme poverty. what better way to celebrate them than to bring everyone together in central park, headlined by queen, headlined by alicia keys, ferrell williams, together with one republic with her, carole king and hosted by
the amazing hugh jackman and debra lee finesse. we are so thrilled this has come together for our tenth anniversary. this is a really important year. we'll be fighting for really important issues this year including combatting hiv/aids and ensuring quality education for girls and young boys all around the world. so that's what we're working on this year. >> so, hugh, talk about the progress made over the past decade on extreme poverty. >> well, it's a great question, joe. when i was born in 1983, 52% of the world's population lived in extreme poverty. that is now down to less than 12% of the world's population today. we've seen amazing progress in the eradication of extreme poverty but as we reach the final 10% of the world's population living in extreme poverty about 720 million people, progress has been slowing. in some parts of sub saharan africa, for example nigeria, and the drc, actually poverty is now on the rise. in fact, nigeria just overtook india with more people living in
extreme poverty in nigeria than india despite the fact it has a much smaller population. we need to accelerate progress across west africa and sub saharan africa, and now is the time to really do that. we need to step up in our tenth anniversary. we have ten years to go now to achieve the sustainable development goals that were laid out by 193 world leaders to eradicate extreme poverty to tackle climate change and now is the year to do it. >> hugh, you've mentioned some of the very important goals of global citizen. this year, what is the most important goal you're hoping to achieve? >> well, i think this year in particular, we want to achieve one thing above all else. in october this year the global fund a fight hiv/aids, malaria, tuberculosis is trying to raise $14 billion to save 16 million lives. there are 27 million people alive today thanks to the work of the global fund and we want
to see the g7 nations all step up and increase investments by 15% across the board. that means the u.s., we want to see canada step up. justin trudeau is considering a proposal on this as we speak. so global citizens can take action right now to call on him to take action. the norwegian government. we've already seen the japanese government and the uk have already announced their pledges so they are already leading the pack. there is so much that can be done and given that queen is going to be headlining this year and bohemian rhapsody follows the journey and his battle with hiv/aids we have an enormous opportunity to stamp it off the face of the earth and that is what the global fund is working to do. >> hugh, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. we are very excited. a great lineup. we are very excited that our friend carole king will be there as well. it is going to be so special. so msnbc is going to exclusively be airing the global citizen festival live on september 28th
beginning at 5:00 p.m. eastern. please go to nbc news.com/global citizen and you can learn how you can take action and actually earn points for free tickets to the concert in new york city. and now let's end this week with a news segment, mika, we're just starting. it's called lambeer's lament. >> well, joe, my first lament is i didn't see the independent counsel of funk on the roster of bands playing the global citizens festival. i hope it can be rectified. >> that is amazing. yeah, hugh. >> by the way, that is going to happen. >> what's with hugh? >> we wanted to do an unveil in september. thanks for ruining for the kids, jonathan. that's my lament. lift me up. lift me up. we'll be singing it. go ahead. >> i think that should be happening. what is your next lament? >> obviously i lament the red
sox' four-game losing streak. that is certainly the news of the day. actually switching to one serious topic for a second the president just tweeted, really bad news. the baltimore house of elijah cummings was robbed. too bad. which certainly feels like a sarcastic comment about a sort of very sad event. to be fair, the robbery reportedly happened a few days ago, prior to the president's tweet storm about the congressman. but it seems as if the president is gloating about something that happened to cummings' home, which goes to show you once again there are very few lines that he is not willing to cross when it comes to trying to score points against political enemies and how he wants to make the fate of urban cities, democratic controlled cities, part of his re-election campaign. >> elise, final thoughts? >> i just can't deal with it, joe. what kind of human being rejoices over someone's home getting robbed? it is absolutely disgusting that this man is the president of the united states and the
republicans are standing behind this kind of morally reprehensible rhetoric that's an ongoing, minute by minute occurrence. >> all right. well, let's just keep our eye on the ball and not avoid the obvious, which is right in front of us and what this president is doing to our democracy. that does it for us this morning. hello, everyone. i'm in for stephanie ruhle. here is what is happening this morning. the 2020 picture is becoming clearer and not just at the top of the ticket as another republican incumbent announces that he will retire at the end of this term. three-term texas congressman will hurd, the only african-american in the republican caucus announced he will not be seeking re-election. at one point hur