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saw this in 2016. state and local police are >> i was going to say, an for the fight. indication that this is a story helping out and we're awaiting that's not going away and an but i think that what today does to hear what the next steps are. issue that's not going away do is act as though and clearly at this point, we've been told anytime soon. there is nothing suspicious >> exactly. >> thanks for coming on. surrounding her death. that does it for this hour of the question is what caused her nbc live. says, as i think emerald said it i'm headed over to the white death. eloquently, this is the first when the paramedics were called house where chris jansen, i will to the compound yesterday, the sigh you there in a little bit. time someone officially said that wrong was done in the same call was for a medical >> thank you so much. i'm chris jansen in for craig week that a new yorker who emergency, a possible overdose. melvin here at msnbc happens to be president of the but, again, no official cause of united states act like i just headquarters here in new york. hate cops and we hate cops. death. she was just 22 years old. president trump amplifying his mr. trump, explain now how this she would be a senior at boston decision says, no, it's not attacks against urban cities and about who hate cops, it's about college this year. lawmakers at his first rally she was studying communications. since those send her back this man should not have been on she was said to be a very chants. and while he may not have named the police force. the squad directly this time, engaged and inquisitive student [ inaudible question ] his racially charged fire aimed >> i don't talk about how we there. she had a gift for writing. got -- we got the decision and, at cities was clear. when she was at deerfield plus a gutting trend for the again, we're waiting on commissioner o'neil. academy she wrote in the gop. thank you very much. congressman will hurd, the only school's newspaper about her black republican in the house >> thank you. struggle with depression. announcing his retirement, >> so, again there is an issue becoming the sixth to quit in that became front and center it is a very powerful article the last two weeks. early in the debate. why it's sending shockwaves you might remember if you were that she wrote where she talked about how her depression took through the party. watching the democratic debate, and making the steaage. it was interrupted the second root when she was in middle debate, by some protesters who school and really took over her half the democratic field has were calling for the ouster of life when she was in high school reached the stage to make the and how she struggled with it.
debate but is there could be some surprises. the officer and then it became a ahead in the hour, a dark horse particularly after she underwent a trauma that she described as candidate who has not qualified debate with many of the folks there calling for the ouster of for a debate yet but could once someone breaking sexual the officer. there's been criticism of the the criteria gets harder. boundaries. someone that she loved. billionaire tom steyer will join president and mayor de blasio she said that so upset her, she for not pushing for his removal. me live. totally did what many victims but let's continue with but now the civilian complaint do. she pretended it didn't happen. review board has recommended his president trump joining us on it so upset her that she removal saying that there is actually attempted to take her evidence to prove that he is own life. the stage. unfit to serve. the end of that article was very we'll continue to follow this it's overarching message case for you. but up next, more tragic hopeful. because she wanted people to disparage urban areas, and this talk about it, to be honest time calling california a about it. news for cam lot. she said why is it that people disgrace to our country was feel free to talk about cancer and not mental health. consistent with his campaign the kennedy family mourning the strategy of assault last night loss of rfk's granddaughter who that was one of her positions. at a rally in cincinnati. are died at the family compound. her family says she was >> the democrat party is now we'll go life to hyannis where passionate about human rights we're learning more about her death. hyannis where we're learning more about her and women's empowerment. being led by four left-wing death. alanced solution. she loved doing volunteer work, extremists. we can name one after another, including building schools in try great-tasting boost glucose control. but i won't do that. mexico. as her grandmother said, today the patented blend of protein, fat, and carbs the world is a little less because i don't want to be is part of a balanced formula beautiful because she's no that's clinically shown to help manage blood sugar levels. longer in it. >> the daughter of courtney controversial. in fact, it provides 60% more protein look at los angeles with the kennedy hill, robert and ethel tents and the horrible, than the leading diabetes nutrition shake kennedy's fifth of 11 children. and contains only 1 carb choice.
horrible, disgusting conditions. just the family has had to bear enjoy the balanced nutrition of boost glucose control look at san francisco. so much. look at some of your other thoughts with them, obviously, as part of a healthy diet. cities. today. the homicide rate in baltimore ya thank you so much. puerto rico's governor has is significantly higher than el salvador, honduras, guatemala. just a little more than five hours left on the job. the problem is, nobody really knows who is taking the job i believe it's higher than -- next. by law, it should go to the give me a place that you think secretary of state, but he stepped down amid the same chat is pretty bad. give me a place. scandal that let to his ouster. the guy says afghanistan. i believe it's higher than he's named a replacement but haven't been confirmed. afghanistan. in our country, think of that. if it doesn't happen by 5:00, the justice secretary would take over. >> and while trump was in ohio, she says she doesn't want the the gop's only member of job. we're going to be watching this congress was announcing that he throughout the afternoon to see how it all plays out. was retiring along with a number come 5:00 with the current of his colleagues who say they also will not run again in 2020. governor is going to step down. raising new questions this morning about any chance for republican comeback in the house. let's break this all down with in the next hour, two major nancy cook, white house reporter developments on the world stage. for "politico." david drucker, jim messina, the u.s. leaves a treaty. former obama campaign manager and white house deputy chief of
staff, now the ceo of the my colleague andrea mitchell will have much more. ty my colleague andrea mitchell messina group. will have much more. and susan del percio, msnbc ...when a plan stops being a plan and gets set into motion. analyst. nancy, you wrote earlier about today's merrill can help you get there trump's playbook and how he's with the people, tools, and personalized advice leaning in to racially divisive rhetoric. what did you see last night and to help turn your ambitions into action. how does it fit into that strategy? >> i think he pulled back from what would you like the power to do? his comments at last weeks rally when the crowd chanted send her back and he sort of let that go those darn seatbelts got me all crumpled up. that's ok! on for about 13 seconds. hey, guys! we didn't see that last night. hi mrs. patterson... instead what we saw him doubling down on was really going after inner cities, democrats who have wrinkles send the wrong message. run them in baltimore. he compared baltimore saying it sorry. help prevent them before they start was as dangerous and as with new downy wrinkleguard. murder-driven as afghanistan. and then he even joked about how that would become a headline today. so he is really doubling down on this idea that inner cities are places of danger that democrats have been poor stewed stewards
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differently. we have to figure that out on former obama administration the third debate because i officials and other party thought that was a questionable leaders scratching their heads strategy for democrats. about why most of the democratic >> david, i have to say that we candidates are attacking barack haven't exactly seen very many of those from the republican obama more than donald trump. a strategy playing right into side, although what we are the president's hands. starting to see is people peeling away from the party, and we had a lot of surprise including the person who is supposed to be recruiting people expressed by the president about that as well. to run for the house has decided meanwhile, blast off. the u.s. quits a missile treaty not to run for re-election. they will no longer have, unless with russia negotiated by ronald reagan, even as north korea something happens unexpected in 2020, they no longer will have an african-american member of tests more missiles. the house will hurd now has put the president says it's in that seat into possibly a control, but others are saying it's not. >> we keep talking about democratic win. denuclearize. north korea is increasing the obviously you wrote what's quick scale and the quality of the to scold trump for rhetoric nuclear threat they pose. morally offensive leaning and the kennedy family establishment oriented republicans have pressed the tragedy. mute button. do you think there's any lesson bobby kennedy 22-year-old's for them in what we've seen with these republicans saying i'm out? >> well, i think there are two granddaughter was found different issues going on here. beautiful.
i think, one, i think >> she was the only child of republicans don't -- aren't very optimistic about picking up the ethel and robert kennedy's house in 2020. and history suggests they're not daughter courteney. going to pick up the house. she struggled with mental i think you look at the map, i illness. revealing she once tried to think they will win back some seats on the net, but i don't see them winning the house at that point. and so a lot of times when that happens, you see a flurry of retirements. i think we've seen the exodus of members that have a hard time existing comfortably in a republican party where the pop pew lifrts asts are in control than the conservatives. right now with this president in charge, the majority partner is the pap pew lisopulists and i t of them have grown tired of having to answer for him. additionally, there are a lot of republicans that aren't going anywhere anytime soon. and they're also tired of explaining the president on a daily basis, but they're looking at it a little bit differently
than some of their colleagues that are retiring. they feel in some regard that the media is playing gotcha with them. that it's always framed up what do you have to say about trump? it may sound like a copout to sum, but they're exhausted. and they know trump is going to be letting loose with this rhetoric probably on a ty don't want to be on the defensive. so a lot of them are beginning to shut up. and the other thing that is happening is as they've watched the two first democratic debates, they are even more uncomfortable with a lot of the policies being proposed by leading democratic presidential candidates than they are with trump's behavior. and in a choice between trump in term two and unknown liberal democrat in term one, they'll go with trump however reluctantly. >> how do you read these decisions, susan del percio? you have the sixth congress
member in ten days to say i'm done. is this just part of what happens when it looks like you're not going to regain power and it's no fun not to be in power? and we can all agree with that, it's a lot more fun to be in control. >> of course. >> is there something bigger at work here? what do you think is going on with the people staying behind? >> i think congressman hurd's from one of the few swing districts that were still left and held by republicans. so for him, why he would go through this? he doesn't want to defend the president. >> he said he would still vote for the president. >> okay, that's nice, he still wants to have a career in politics so of course he would say that and i'm fine with it. we'll see what he actually does. but, being a republican right now, if you are not with the donald trump side and you're just simply someone who, let's say, has been in office for 20 years and is just appalled with what donald trump has done, you really have to start saying what is it worth? how do i explain this to my family, to my children? donald trump has just hurt the brand and i don't want to say it's ruined forever, but if he
gets re-elected i think we actually will see it branch off into two separate parties. >> yeah, one of the things we heard a lot, david, from beto o'rourke at the debate was that, you know, texas could be in play, i could be the one to keep it in play. and i wonder that given that three of the republicans pulling themselves out of the race are from texas, does he maybe have a point? >> well, you know, i spent debate night in houston with a bunch of beto o'rourke supporters and they definitely believe after what they saw in 2018 a narrow loss to ted cruz, 2.6 percentage points, that he could flip texas if he was the nominee. i think it's a little bit too soon, but i do think having covered texas for over a decade that it is evolving and it is changing. the texas suburbs are going blue a little at a time. we saw evidence of that in 2018 with a couple of flipped house seats. another suburban houston house seat could flip in 2020.
so i think this is very real. and i think republicans have to be on guard about this because they lose texas electoral votes in a presidential contest and unless they can replace them and right now there's nowhere to replace them, they cannot win the white house. so o'rourke has a point. 2020 might be a little bit too soon, but this is an evolution that is happening and is coming. >> jim, how fluid do you see the map being? i was thinking as i was watching the president last night that not so long ago a lot of really smart people who i respect said ohio is now firmly red. and then i talked to some people in ohio and they say don't be so sure, don't be so quick, let's see who the democratic nominee is, let's see where the economy goes. how fluid do you see the map overall in places like texas? ohio? >> i agree, i think texas it's a little bit early. but i think ohio say great example? we have to see who the democratic nominees and see where this race is. president trump's strategy of just talking to his base is driving swing voters back to the
democratic party in real ways. california's a great example of this, right? i mean, republicans only have six congressional seats out of 53 left in the states. they lost every single house statewide race. texas suburbs are coming very big. you're seeing retirements all over the place. these suburban seats are becoming really really difficult for the republicans. and you apply that to the general election map in a presidential election, then you start saying, whoa, now we're talking about ohio being back on the map, suddenly florida looks really, really doable for the democrats. so the math just changes in really really interesting ways. and really expands. that said, chris, i think we are -- need to focus on the midwestern states. probably we're t this math and you get retirements in the midwest from republicans too. he's just making a really really hard for anyone not named donald trump to be a republican on the
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big news. one more democratic presidential candidate has met the requirements for the third debate in september. but, about a dozen more remain on the bubble. msnbc news national "politico" correspondent steve kornacki is here with that as we are waiting for the results of the first post debate poll. but let's start with how are things looking right now? >> everyone's so interested in the polling that's going to come out from this debate because it's going to have a lot do, maybe everything do with who survives. who gets on the next debate stage. the criteria goes up. if you want to say in these debates, next one is mid-september, you've got get 130,000 unique donors and you've got hit 2% in four or more polls. 2% doesn't sound like much. that's a very high threshold. here is what we mean. there are 25 democrats out there who are running right now. some of them didn't even make
the last round of debates but they are still candidates. so right now if you look at that criteria, who meets the criteria? who stays in the next debate? that the moment, eight candidates. you mentioned klobuchar, she just cleared the fundraising threshold, she becomes the eighth. these eight look like they have tickets to stay in these debates. there are two more who are on the cusp of making it. that's julian castro, andrew yang, they've hit three of the four polls they need. you have until the end of this month. you have until august 28th to hit the polling criteria. if castro or yang can get one more of those polls, they will be in for the next round of debates that. would give you ten candidates. we've been seeing debates with ten candidates on the stage. maybe that would be only one debate, only one night of debating. there are a few others, hickenlooper, gabbard who have -- we'll see what happens here with steve bullock as well who got his first shot at the debate and then the wildcard,
tom steyer. you can see he's spending a lot of money getting his polling numbers up. even if his money gets him polling support in the next few weeks, is he going to get that donor number? are a lot of people going to donate? 25 candidates could be down as few as ten. >> well, i think a lot of people not so long ago were saying it could be as small as six or eight. so ten, and then if we go to 11 that's two nights, right? >> that's the question. if they had 11 will they say we'll add one more podium close enough. i think there might be some eager hns to g eagerness to get this down to one stage. >> thank you so much. joining me now, democratic candidate tom steyer. steve just laid out what the challenge is. can you get 130,000 people to donate to a billionaire? >> yes. >> how? >> we watch it every single day and we're going to have to do our work. >> where are you now? >> we're on track do that. >> ha does that seen in how many
so far? because you've got 27 days, 26, 27 days. how many so far? >> we are on track. i don't have the exact number in my head, but i know that every single day we get more. and then if we stay at this pace we make it. so the real question, chris, is do i have something to say? do i have a vision and a message that people react to and people listen to and say, that's true. and my message is -- >> well let's start with the number one criteria, can we? the number one criteria for democrats is who can beat donald trump? >> okay. >> why you? >> well, let me put it to you this way. mr. trump is going to run on the economy. i built a business from scratch into a very big business successfully. i know how the economy works, i'm the person who by far the best understands how economics works and why he's such a fraud and a failure when it comes to economics. you can see it today. his chinese trade war is blowing
up in his face. one of his many economic failures. i'd love to take on mr. trump on the economy because he has no idea what he's talking about. >> realistically, though, first of all, self-funded candidates largely self-funded, you've said you're willing to put an awful lot of money into it have not historically done well. but more than that, i hear when i go out on the campaign trail that one thing we've learned from donald trump is that a businessman with no political experience never should have been elected in the first place. that should have -- those should have been warning signs and if you're looking for something different, that's not the way to go. how do you overcome that? >> well, chris, my basic point is that the american government is broken, that it's been bought by corporations, and that we need to put power back to the people. and for the last ten years i've been organizing coalitions of ordinary citizens to fight and beat corporate power. if you look at my record, i have
done direct democracy, meaning propositions in the states going directly to the voters to pass laws to take on the oil companies, the drug companies, the tobacco companies. i've done this full time for years very effectively as an outsider. so when you say you want someone with experience, for ten years as an outsider i have been taking on corporate powers and winning. so if you believe that the key point in american politics is that we have a broken government as a result of a hostile corporate takeover, who do you want to lead the refermation? do you want it to be an outsider who has been doing it ten years successfully? or do you want it to go to insiders to count on them to reform the system that they've been part of some that's the question for the mirn people. do you believe an outside we are grassroots experience can do it? >> for better or worse, fairly
or not, what you're best known for among the people who do know you is impeachment. and as an example. >> true. >> of grassroots, it hasn't happened. in fact, a lot of people think that ship has sailed. at least until 2020. are you worried and is it fair for people to look at you and say, look, this is the guy who was trying and spent so much money on impeachment and we aren't there. >> you know, chris, it's funny you'd say that because more than 8 million people have signed the need to impeach petition, the organization that i started. in fact, we've won the argument. everybody in d.c. knows this president's the most corrupt in history. he is unfit for the office. we should protect the constitution -- >> but just to be fair, you're not taking credit for people knowing that. >> let me just finish. the other thing is -- >> your campaign is not why people know that. >> more than half of the democratic house of representatives members have
publicly come out for an impeachment inquiry. when you say that ship has sailed, actually, more than half of the democratic house members have come out for it. so in fact, not only do the vast bulk of democratic voters agree with the need to impeach this president, more than half of the democratic house members. so when you say it's over, it's actually just picking up steam. >> i'm not disagreeing with that. what i am looking at now is a recent survey that found only 18% of democrats said that impeachment was even one of their top three concerns. so tell me -- >> well -- >> tell me a little bit more about beyond that economic message that you say you have. foreign policy experience, the breadth of what a president needs to do, including, and, again there are what i hear from people who even some people who voted for donald trump, he went in there and he didn't know how congress worked. he didn't know how to get a bill passed. he didn't -- the lack of experience within the system
which seemed so attractive to a lot of people 2 1/2 years ago, will it still be? >> chris, i spent three decades as an investor investing around the world. when it comes to understanding how america interacts with other countries, what makes us successful in our relationships with our allies, the way to deal with people, countries that i would describe as frenemies like china, that's something i've spent decades on that i don't believe anyone else who is in this field understands how i do granularly how the united states needs to both work with other countries to move forward together and to stand up for our interests at the same time. that is something that i have done literally for decades. and i feel incredibly confident about understanding how this world works in reality, how the united states' interests work in conjunction with other
countries, working together to solve problems. talk for one second about what i consider to be the most pressing problem facing us, which is climate. what i said in my climate plan, which i put out a week ago, is that we need to declare a state of emergency on day one. make sure we work from environmental justice, but also use it to build a coalition around the world of american leadership which reflects our moral, technological, and industrial leadership. that is the kind of move we need to make as a country. to not only solve our most pressing issue, but to reestablish what it means to be an american and america's role in the world. >> we are almost out of time and i want to ask you -- >> that's exactly the kind of cooperation we need. >> very quickly, if you don't make the debate stage in september, does that make or break for your campaign? >> i will make the debate stage. >> and if you don't? >> i will.
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we have some breaking news. we've got our first poll since the second round of democratic debates and temperature shows so far joe biden supporters are sticking with him. some other fascinating findings as well. so nbc news senior politic adviser is here. and steve kornacki who literally had to run here, take a deep breath. look, one of the key questions here was could joe biden hold, could he maintain so many people
had a negative opinion of him in the first debate, didn't move the numbers for him significantly. what about this time? >> yeah, these are hot off the presses, so hot off the presses i'm not sure we have the graphics. i can tell you what we got here. it's a more consult poll. they've been doing weekly tracking on the democratic field, but they did a one-day poll. it was conducted entirely yesterday, about 2,400 respondents. mar given error about 2%. they have joe biden in this post debate poll 32% had the bernie sanders second place, 18. elizabeth warren 15. kamala harris 10. pete buttigieg 6. cory booker 3. beto o'rourke 3. andrew yang 2. yes, what you're saying about joe biden absolutely right. if you look at their last weekly poll that number is essentially unchanged for joe biden so he's flat in their poll and no big drop, no big gain. that's probably a win for the front runner. as you say, the only real movement you see in this poll if you look right down it is warren is up a couple of points and
harris is down a couple of points. they were essentially tied before, you you got warren -- >> two points is within the margin of error? >> it's subtle movement. the overall is biden flat, front runner maintains it and the rest of the field no big change here and nobody jumping up. none of these other names that we talked about earlier needing that breakout moment, you don't see marianne williamson and any of these other names suddenly popping in this poll? >> what do you make of it? >> i think we have to remember that polls are a snapshot at the time. at the time joe biden has demonstrated to the american people, to the social media bubble, and to the media, that he has been able to take a bruising, keep on cruising, take a licking and keep on ticking. and the fact of the matter is, i haven't looked directly into the details brir suspe details, but i suspect that means his support among the most loyal block in this party, african-american voters has not changed 'the i will say this until i'm democratic blue in the
face. african-american voters will decide who our next nominee will be and arguably who the next president of the united states will be. that does not mean that the biden campaign can take it for granted and that does not mean that the other campaigns do not have room to grow because there's a lot of time left on the clock. >> double her support last time was kamala harris. we are not seeing this in this poll. do you think that is, beth, because maybe the last time people were really for the first time unlike all of us who were on top of this all the time were getting their first lay of the land and nothing so different happened that it could have somebody making a move that big? >> well, actually, chris, what i'm struck by with this poll, i haven't delved into the details either. but the top line is basically it's been the same for months. we've got a to tier. we've got five candidates in that top tier. biden, bernie, kamala harris, elizabeth warren, pete buttigieg with beto a little lower than the rest. what it says to me is to echo your point, is that joe biden has been able to stay on top of
that top tier consistently throughout, despite all this pandering that everybody has done. certainly after the first debate where he looked shaky under that assault from kamala harris. but even after this next one where he did look better but he was halting, he seemed to forget words in the middle o his sentences. >> a lot of the answers would trail off. >> he was taking a lot of incoming from everybody on the stage and hand will it in a way that didn't project having strength. this shows that his folks are staying with him. >> that shows what you were saying, keep a licking and teen on ticking. where's my watch? he took so much incoming is what people saw there, not the trailing off of the sentences, not the sometimes seeming to lose occasionally his tracin of thought. he gave as good as he got. >> we're inside this bubble and there's a disconnect between
what we think and what everyday people think and what makes news. we've seen this demonstrated time and time again and particularly in this particular primary. people care about real life issues and the most important thing they've said at the poll, who can beat donald trump? now for me it's not just beating about donald trump, it's about who can bring this party together and who can help candidates up and down the ballot next year because all of this will have freeh tremendous impact for generations. >> in fairness to your point about biden, he certainly is somebody who's gotten tremendous loyalty and great affection from many democrats. on the other hand, every time he has one of those shakyish debate performances, that does worry a lot of democrats who for them beating trump is the only goal. it's not about how much people love the guy, it's can he stand on that debate staple and ge kn what a tough opponent he's going to be. democrats are concerned about that. >> you're assuming people are using the debate -- measuring
their support by how a person performs on the debate stage. if the twitter lodger was true, he would continue to be the front runner if it was solely based on his debate performances. >> two things i was looking for, one when cory booker do the kamala harris jump. that did not happen. it was widely agreed that he had really good night. second thing ways looking for frankly was marianne williamson. let's not forget that she kind of set twitter on fire when she said this. >> this is part of the dark underbelly of american society. [ cheers and applause ] >> the racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that we're having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then i'm afraid the democrats are going to see some very dark days. >> in today's "new york times" david brooks rights while many of williamson's ideas are whacka
doodle, when it comes to donald trump she is right about this. we've never dealt with a figure like this in american history before. this man, our president, is not just a politician, he's a phenomenon. and an insider political game will not be able to defeat it. the only thing that will defeat him is if we have a phenomenon of equal force and that phenomenon is a moral uprising of the american people. so i'm still looking at the look on your face. steve, who's a numbers guy. but there is something to be said about a feeling that people take away, right? like who is the counter? who is the counter to donald trump? is there something a little squishier that a poll can't necessarily define that is really ha the average voter is looking for? >> i think what you're showing from david brooks gets to a bigger question we've all had since 2016. there's a camp of people who i think tend ton overread what trump pulleda uh in 2016 and a camp of people who maybe tend to
underread it. but what brooks is essentially saying there is you've got bloi blow up the entire playbook to a man who lost the popular vote by 2.8 million votes and is only president because he stitched together a 75,000 vote pluralality across three states. you can't have an insider, the joe biden to democrats is don't overthink this. i can make up 75,000 votes in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin and then that's it for donald trump. so that's one theory. now there are san entire different theory there's new polarization and knew tribalism that trump brings about. but trump didn't win by ten points. he didn't win by the popular vote. >> there's a real nervousness among democrats, look, they still wake up in the middle of the night with hives remembering what it was like the day after the election. and they're so afraid that that's going to happen again that i wonder if they maybe
overproject. >> well, and to that point, chris, remember in 2016 hillary clinton spent a lot of time talking about how trump is simply unacceptable, that his character, that his moral sort of authority was not sufficient to become the president of the united states. he became the president of the united states anyway. so there's a fear of kind of going down that track that david brooks is describing as talking about his unsuitability to be president. because it didn't work last time and democrats need to come down hard on policy. which is why we're seeing so much of that in the democratic field. so nobody really knows for sure. now as steve put it, what happened with trump in 2016 was sort of an unprecedented situation and it may not -- we may never know exactly how that came about. >> i don't think we can turn down the volume on some of the things that happened in the 2016 election, like voter suppression that impacted certain states that we should have won, in my opinion we didn't. some investments we probably should have made. >> yeah. >> on the ground. and with the combination of a high-tech -- and the high-touch campaign. and the fact is we know that
russia's meddling in the election played some role in the outcome of the election. we can't dismiss any of that. but the fact of the matter is, we can't play this game to repeat what we did in 2016, have this gigantic turnout and we win the popular vote and not within the electoral college. what that means for us is that we have to have a real strategy that will make sense for us to win the electoral college and the overall popular vote. >> antwan, beth, steve kornacki, thank you for going with the breaking news which is once again we have our first poll after the second debate. not much has changed, joe biden holding strong. there you see the numbers. biden, sanders, warren, harris, buttigieg, booker. we've seen those top five staying pretty consistent over the last several months. we're also following breaking news in the eric garner case. a judge has just recommended termination for the officer accused. we're joined now by phone here
with the reporter. what are the details. >> reporter: what i can tell you is as you pointed out it was just a short while ago reports came in that the department commissioner with the police department, she is the one presiding over this, she has now recommended that the officer involved in the choking death of eric garner be fired from the police department. we are outside right now, just stepped out of a car to go inside of the national action network where reverend al sharpton is holding a press conference with some members of the eric garner's family. but this might be the news, it seems, that the garner family has been waiting for for five years. they have been demanding that the police department fire the officer ever since it happened back in 2014. instead, he was placed on desk duty and allowed to remain with the police department. other agencies have refused to
file any charges against him, including the justice department and recently william barr's department, the attorney general, has said he did not see merit in filing any civil rights charges against him. and the family was outraged about that. but today there should be some joy in this family. because what they have been calling for, it now seems it's being recommended by the department commissioner childs. what she is going to do, now it goes to the civil -- the community civil review board, complaint review board. and the officer's attorney, they will have about two weeks to make some recommendation before they then turn it over to the new york city police commissioner o'neil. and he will make the final decision. what we hear today coming from the deputy commissioner of trials is a recommendation of what should happen to the officer and the final decision will come from the police commissioner. >> i'm going to interrupt you because eric garner's daughter is speaking right now. let's listen. >> we've waited five years. ccrb has made the
recommendation. commissioner o'neil, fire him, that's all we're asking. we're asking for the congressional hearings. we're going to keep fighting for the eric garner law. but five years is too lopping. commissioner o'neil, do your job. thank you for your support, everyone. >> any questions? [ inaudible question ] >> i think i'm feeling the same way my entire family is feeling, which is it's been too long. we've been waiting for five years for someone to say that he did something wrong. and they finally made that decision today. so we don't want to wait no more. make your decision, mr. o'neil, as soon as possible.