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this past weekend that were just 13 hours apart. in total, 31 people were killed in the shootings, dozens more were injured. in el paso, texas, 22 people killed by a gunman who authorities say posted an anti-eminence creed before opening fire at a walmart. and another one in dayton, ohio in a shooting that lasted just 32 seconds from the first shot to the last. the boston globe nicely summed up what we witnessed with this headline: "this is what we have become." >> there is a question if the president's language might have played a role in these violent shootings. the violence creed echoed the president's rhetoric just moments before the gunman opened fire there.
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in turn it mimicked the fire that was opened this last september. they believe there are connections between these incidents and president trump. >> we have a president who is clearly a racist, who has clearly been motivated by speaking to the lowest common denominator. >> mr. president, it's long past time you address it for what it is. this is hatred, pure and simple, and it's being fueled by rhetoric that is so divisive and it's causing people to die. >> there is no question that white nationalism is condoned at the highest levels of our government. >> he certainly has done everything that the white nationalists have wanted him to do. >> it's outrageous and absurd and he needs to take responsibility for the hate he has spewed, the division he's called in america, the racism
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he's inspired. >> he's trafficked this stuff in from the very beginning, and we are reaping right now what he has sown and what his supporters have sown. we have to put a stop to it. >> amid that barrage of criticism, the president addressed the shootings more than 48 hours after the first shots were fired in el paso. he condemned idealogies that seemed to touch on these shootings. >> it was posted on line that the shootings were consumed by racist hate. in one voice our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. these sin ister idealogies must be defeated. hate has no place in america.
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hatred warps the mind, ravages the mind and devours the soul. we must stop the glorification of violence in our society. this includes the gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace. we must reform our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence. mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun. >> but nothing that the president said during his remarks today can reverse the years of attacks that he has waged against immigrants and people of color. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. >> you know what? we're not letting these people invade our country. >> you look at the border and you look at the hundreds of thousands of people that are invading, or at least trying, to invade our country, you would know that we need it. >> we have an invasion of drugs,
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invasion of gangs, invasion of people. >> i don't care what the fake media says, that's an invasion of our country. >> omar has a history of launching vicious, anti-semitic scr screeds. >> how do you stop these people? you can't. that's only in the panhandle you can get away with that statement. >> and breaking in the "new york times" a few moments before we sat down here tonight to be with you, a story with this headline. how the trump campaign used facebook ads to amplify his invasion claim. new reporting in the "new york times" about the deliberate campaign strategy, the use of campaign dollars to pay for messages on facebook amplifying his warnings, his rhetoric that
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an invasion would come. >> we have to stop the invasion. over one million ards on facebok using that word invasion. it is inescapable, and the question is whether the white house sees any imperative to do anything about it at all, now that there are other parts of the country bearing the sharpened of this. >> and whether any republicans in congress -- to put a fineer poi finer point on it, the republicans are awol. are the republicans going to be awol on white nationalism? >> congressman escobar is joining us. this is where the latest shooting took place. our condolences to you and kwour community. thank you for taking the time to be here. >> my pleasure. thank you for having me on,
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rachel. >> weaver be've been talking ab number of different aspects of what happened in your community. we're talking about whether white nationalism has implicit support on mainstream politics, we're talking about the president's responsibility in his own rhetoric and how it dovetails from the shooter. we've been talking about gun policy or lack thereof for gun reform. but we've also been talking about the fact that this is the worst terrorist attack and the most murderous attack targeting latinos in the modern history of our country. i know el paso is 80%, 85% latino, your district heavily latino, large border cross-traffic and proudly so. can you just tell us how the racial impact and the demographic impact here is resonating in your community and what you think the effect will be in the long run? >> rachel, this is an extraordinary community, one that has an abundance of love.
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as you mentioned, we celebrate our location on the u.s.-mexico border. we love the binational nature of our region. and so, you know, it is especially painful. all gun violence is painful, but it is especially painful that this seemed to be an intersection between the epidemic of gun violence and the epidemic of hate that exists in our country. behind me there is this incredibly beautiful, makeshift memorial full of flowers, rosaries, crosses, photos. the size of the crowd has only grown since i first arrived to go and be with our families. and they are still so full of pain, but they're not full of hate. they're full of pain, but they're not full of hate.
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the president has used the words in the clips that you've shown that have caused a tremendous amount of pain and that have fueled violence. those words are still hanging out there. he needs to recognize his role. he needs to recognize that those words have power. he needs to apologize, and he needs to take them back. you know, we were told by law enforcement earlier that we have to be concerned about copycat acts of violence. it would go a long way for the president to say, i used racist language, i used words that dehumanized people, and i was wrong. and i take them back. only after he does that should he be welcomed into our community. >> the president is, as we understand, going to visit your community. the mayor of el paso has announced that the president is due to visit the day after tomorrow. in those remarks you just made,
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and i know speaking earlier today, you suggested that the president at this point is not welcome in your district because of those past remarks that he's made that you described as being so painful. what is your reaction tonight to the news that he is planning on coming to el paso and so soon? >> you know, and i'll tell you, rachel, i only speak for myself. i know that there are people in the community who want him to come here. they want him -- they want to welcome him, and they have every right to feeling that way and to wanting to see him come into this community. but the words that i mentioned that are hanging over us have power, and they clearly and obviously have fueled the violence. they have fueled it. the screed, as you all described, was a litany of what the president has said at his rallies. as i was walking earlier among the families that gathered at
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the memorial and was talking with them, embracing them, trying to give them as best comfort as i could, there were several women, especially, who came up to me and clung to me and were weeping, and they said, don't let him come here. there is so much resilience and beauty in this community, but we've got to deal with our pain, and there are people who are still afraid. and as much as i want to tell them don't be afraid, and we are still a safe community, we are, and we always will be, and we're going to take good care of one another, we need the president to accept responsibility, apologize and take back those words so that his followers, the people who cling to his every word, who follow his rallies, who get riled up and excited about the bigotry that comes from his speeches at those rallies, they need to hear that
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the president acknowledges that he was wrong and that his words were wrong, and that every human being has value. because those words have dehumanized whole groups of people. you can't be a person with a gun and shoot innocent victims unless you think they are subhuman. that language dehumanizes people. >> congresswoman veronica escobar of el paso whose district includes the site of saturday's shooting, i know you have been called upon in a million different ways since this has befallen your community in the past several days. thank you for helping us understand what you're going through and keep us posted over the next couple days. i know the president's visit will be an emotional thing. >> can i just say it's such a weird thing, though, to be at a place in our country where after a national tragedy, the president isn't welcome? the first time we heard about this president, the pittsburgh synagogue community had a debate
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that represented the sin ynagog and pittsburgh itself. we went to new orleans, i went half a dozen times with president obama. it is such -- you just have to stop sometimes in these jobs and point out when it is not normal. >> and congressman escobar even hinted there, saying, listen, on this question i speak for myself and i can talk for some of my constituents who feel the same way. i recognize there are some in my district who want the president here. we had cliff here earlier in the hour saying the president should have gone to el paso immediately and that would have done some good. clearly there are differences of opinion here, but to see the emotion that the congresswoman was conveying not only for herself but her constituents that they feel he is the cause of so much pain, that is profound when you talk about
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national leadership. >> the suspect recently wrote on line that his views, quote, predate trump. portions of the 200-word essay closely mirror trump as well as the words of the nationalist movement, including a warning about the hispanic invasion of texas. the shooter's reality is so in line with the president's that he decided to include the manifesto to say that his views predated the 2016 trump campaign and that to blame him would amount to more fake news, a trump phrase. jonathan greenblatt, national director and ceo of the national defamation league, and mi
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pistolini. his new article is entitled "when hate came to el paso." we'll start with you. just jump into this conversation about this intersection of rhetoric, about the intersection of the president's language, the language in his twitter feed and the manipulation in the use of this language of an invasion as reported in the "new york times" tonight as part of his reelection strategy. >> well, i don't think you have to be some kind of scientist to draw a straight line between the president's rhetoric as it pertains to immigrations and the 60 million people in this country who are latinos. the vast majority of whom are citizens. and what happened here in el paso, which is my hometown, on saturday. the president used the word racism several times in his rally tonight. frankly, i read the shooter's manifesto on saturday in the wake of the horror that took place right across the street
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here. frankly, it could have been written by the white house press shop. it was no different. >> wow. eddie? >> well, yes. it's absolutely clear to me to see a relationship between donald trump's rhetoric and what we just experienced wharks we just saw. but i think it's important for us to ask the question why does he and why do his people believe it's effective? one of the things we tend to do is exceptionalize donald trump. and one of the reasons why we do that is in some ways to kind of displace our sins onto him. the melodramatic kind of story. he becomes the big, bad monster, the evil personality in our midst which we can then kind of absolve ourselves of our sins by placing them onto him. but the question we have to ask ourselves and why do they think this is effective? there are people out here, americans out here who actually find it compelling. this is a way of accounting for
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their own life circumstances. i'm not getting ahead because these people are jumping in. i'm not doing what -- my children can't achieve the american dream because big government is doing something on behalf of those other people, right? so we're exploiting people's sense of vulnerability, their sense that the country is changing, that it's no longer a white nation, and trump knows he's sitting right there in that sweet spot. and unless we tell the story of the country am thin this way, t we're going to think that our only problem is trump. when the problem, as i've said before, is us. i want to be very, very clear. when i say "us," i mean that in a general sense, but i want the kids in el paso to know, just as i've said to black kids across our country, that the problem isn't us. it never has been. the issue at the heart of this is an idea of whiteness that has overdetermined and distorted the very idea of democracy.
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the one consistent thread to all of this is a toxic idea of white identity. and until we understand how it works, how it's rooted in our very history, how it can be exploited, we will find ourselves on this racial hamster wheel over and over and over again. >> the democrats spoke out forcefully, and i don't know if they're getting it as deeply as eddie is, but do you think the democrats see an opportunity to change hearts and minds and to turn this issue against trump? >> well, look, i think this issue certainly transcends politics. what eddie is talking about is right, and i think what we need to recognize is that this moment is really unprecedented. we have seen a series of attacks on all these marginalized communities. today is the anniversary of the 2012 attack against the temple
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in washington. we're less than a year from the attack in pittsburgh where jewish people were killed where they worshipped. at the adl, we track extremists. we believe this was the deadliest white supremacist attack in at least 50 years. so we're talking about a level of violence that really doesn't have any precedent in recent memory. so the question becomes when does our president go beyond a few words in a speech today and take this toxic language out of his twitter feed, make sure he doesn't say it again tomorrow and next week and next month and next year, because the congresswoman was right. dehumanizing language leads to these kind of violent results. >> christian, without that, i believe you that that would be one step, but to get president trump to stop doing something he enjoys doing is harder than
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getting rid of a prompter speech. do you think we can stop this signalling, whatever you want to call it, from the oval office? >> we've lived over 500 years on this continent and we've made progress, but the president is using something of what his base has to inflame them. he has to take accountability for those words. more importantly, he has to enable people to fight this white supremacy in our country that has been happening and growing, as jonathan pointed out, and as the adl has pointed out so many times. we have a human infrastructure crisis in this country right now, and we're searching for identity, community and purpose, and there is a whole lot of uncertainty in america right now and that is exactly when extremist environments thrive, when people have a sense of loss. when people on the fringes and the upper middle class and lower
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middle class are losing, sometimes there is less to turn to than what seems like oppression or extremism. tha that's something we need to retear r par repair in this country. >> we heard the country talk about racism tonight, we heard people talk about violent racism. for someone who turned his life around and got away from it and made it your life's work to get other poeceople to turn away fr it and understand it, do you think we're using the right language? do you think we have the right lynguistic framework and what we're dealing with here that would make sense to the people involved in it? >> their trick is to stay amorphous like that, to not be recognized. a term like white nationalist is their marketing buzzword, the
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outright is their marketing buzzword. when we use those terms, i think it's important to acknowledge those terms when we talk about them in academic settings to understand them, but what we're actually doing is pushing their playbook. they push these means and ideas out into the world, and with the internet fueling so much of this growth, we have to be very careful about how we legitimize them when we talk about them. >> richard, let me follow you in el paso as well. your opinion piece for the "new york times" this weekend was so eloquent and so heartfelt. i read a lot of articles this weekend and yours really moved me. i wonder if it would be so significant and matter to el paso that this shooter didn't come from el paso, that he drove nic nine hours, ten hours, eleven hours. lord knows why he stopped in el
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paso. we have news that he might have stopped there incidentally without it being preplanned. i wonder if that reflects the residents in el paso and what this will mean for your community. >> i think it does. i think the mayor of the city has accurately said that this kind of thing is practically unimaginable coming from an el pasoan, or as we also call ourselves, el pasono. we also must not forget that there are people everywhere who support the president's worst instincts, and there is a very small admittedly subset, a very dangerous subset as your guests have accurately described who will go to any length to fulfill the fantasies that the president is falsely peddling. that said, i think the residents
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here is quite powerful beyond el paso. el paso is a big city. we're talking about 2.3 million people. this is no dusty cattle outpost by any means. that said, it is also highly symbolic of the latino population of the united states. i am of mexican descent myself. el paso, along with a city like miami, practically embodies the latino experience in the united states. so i don't think we should overlook the symbolic importance of striking a target like el paso. i don't think that was random. the walmart one, perhaps. i don't have a specific target of what this young man thought, but that said, el paso is the embodiment of latino america, certainly of mexican and mexican american america. we are a bridge to another nation, to couldnntinents furth
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south. our people here have associated freely, loved freely, mixed freely, married freely and had children such as myself as far back as we can remember in the history of the city. so the symbolic nature of this is quite significant. and also, i think that it's electorally and politically important, the target here was not just el paso. the target was anybody who looked latino to the shooter. and there is no question in my mind, having talked to people here, interviewed a 62-year-old woman here who confessed to me she's not only fearful and she's not only anxious, she's also angry. and i believe that that will resonate throughout the latino community of the united states, and it will have important political consequences in the months to come. >> richard parker in el paso, also christian piccil oirks ni,
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jonathan greenblatt, eddie glaude, thanks for being here. >> i have to sneak away to "the 11th hour." we're going to talk to a local official in dayton, ohio and speak to three survivors from that attack as our live coverage continues. that attack oasur live coverage continues. ♪ work so hard ♪ give it everything you got ♪ strength of a lioness ♪ tough as a knot ♪ rocking the stage ♪ and we never gonna stop ♪ all strength, no sweat.
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we are here tonight because we know that we cannot -- >> do something! do something! >> ohio governor mike dewine trying to speak to thousands of people attending a vigil in dayton, ohio. as you can see there, he stopped in his tracks as he was ultimately met with shouts and chants of "do something" as people drowned him out and that was the end of his remarks. the dayton, ohio gunman killed at least nine people and left 27 other people injured in a mass shooting in dayton that lasted 32 seconds before the shooter was killed by police. 32 seconds to kill and wound that many people. his weapon that he used in the shooting was fitted with a 100-drum magazine.
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you've heard about extended magazines, that usually means people are talking about a magazine that holds 15 to 30 bullets. his held a drum with 100 bullets that was legal. no motive yet for the second of the mass shootings. joining us with the latest on what happened in dayton this weekend is commissioner chris shaw. commissioner shaw, thank you for making time to be with us. i know this is a very difficult time. >> yes, it is, rachel, but thank you for having us. i'm glad you are doing this. >> what can you tell us about basically the latest on the impact of this crime, the survivors, those who were injured, people being found and reunited and identified, and the conditions of people who are still hospitalized at this point? >> yes. it's just awful. it's still ongoing. we're trying to do the best we can to support the victims and the victims' families. we've set up a fund through the dayton foundation and we're just doing everything we can to support them as we all try to
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get through this horrible event together. >> there have been -- obviously dayton is a point of national focus because of what happened there but also because of it coming so closely on the heels of what happened in el paso. unlike in el paso, there hasn't been that much of a focus because there hasn't been that much detail to report from in terms of the motive from the shooter or what might have led him to do these things. what can you tell us about the part of dayton that was attacked, the bar that was the focus of the attack, if there seems to be any pattern, any method that you can source in the madness in terms of us understanding what happened here and who was targeted. >> yeah, well, the investigation, very thorough investigation on behalf of our dayton police department is ongoing, so we really don't have a lot of details on that. the district we're in is a very vital business district in our community.
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most of the folks who own businesses here are local owners. it's a very close-knit group. there are neighborhoods behind this where folks live, and it's just a very tight-knit community and it's affected our entire city and the region. we're very strong. this is not the only event in the last several months we've gone through. we've been through a series of 15 or so tornadoes that really devastated our area. we're a very strong community, a very gritty community, and we will get through this together. >> commissioner chris shaw. commissioner, thank you for taking time with us this evening. we appreciate you being here. >> thank you very much, rachel. we're going to bring into our conversation now nbc news national correspondent kate snow who is inundated in ohio from members of the community in the mass shooting. kate? >> reporter: we're just down the street, actually, from where this all happened late saturday night, early sunday morning. i'm with three folks who, unfortunately, lived through all of it. i want to start, anthony, with
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you. you all three were within feet of this gunman. and i wonder how that experience has now changed your perspective. >> it made me feel unsafe. it just made me feel like the place and the city i felt was the safest place for us to come and enjoy some time away from home has been disrupted and it just makes you acknowledge that these things are real. people are dying. we need just basically our local, our state and our federal governors in position to make change. just make change for us. we don't need more promises. our hearts are broken. >> i spoke with you ladies last night and you were back there to revisit just to see, and you were in tears. sdp >> yeah. >> this has changed everything. you told me nothing is going to be the same again. >> yeah. you have that picture in your head of, like, going out and having fun, and we feel safe in our community, and it's just --
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that's gone forever. it's never going to feel the same after that. >> katherine, what now? what can this community do to make a change? >> i don't know, it's the fact that this is something that absolutely could have been prevented and the fact that we had to go through all this and witnesse witness this. like you said, this is never something you think will happen to you, so clearly something needs to happen. i'm not sure what's going to happen, but something absolutely needs to happen, because now so many people have lost lives and so many families are suffering, and i mean, we're going to have to relive this the rest of our lives for the fact that we witnessed that. >> i saw when they mentioned newtown earlier in the hour, you flinched, because now you know hopefully there won't be a next time, if there is. i want to turn this way. you are both business owners in the oregon district here in dayton.
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jason, you spoke movingly at the vigil last night. you spoke about men. share what you said about that and what needs to change when it comes to men. >> clearly, a lot of the connective tissue for a lot of these mass shootings we've seen throughout the communities, a lot of them are connection with women or violence toward women, so men need to grapple more openly with that. my gym was open today. most everybody who came in wanted to just talk and hug. i have a lot of clients who are women, and a lot of them talked about their own experiences with men in their lives who are violent or scary, and there's this gap between law enforcement and when somebody is afraid of someone. and i think one of the policy things i would like to see is to fill that gap somehow. what we know about the shooter is that he -- you know, he had a list. and so -- >> reportedly in high school. >> that's right. what can we do to address those
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things before we get to this point where people have to deal with this, like you said, for the rest of their lives. >> let me just quickly, bob, you were the one that started that chant we just played, do something, do something, at the governor. what does he need to do? what needs to happen? >> we need to hold our elected officials accountable and ask them that question every single time we see them. they need to do something and that is setting the bar fairly low, and so far they have yet to get over it. >> thank you so much. i appreciate -- i wish, rachel and nicolle, i wish you could hear the conversation we've been having the last two hours here. it's fascinating. we've made a lot of connections. i would urge a lot of people that you don't know to get together in a room. it's been amazing. >> remarkable communication and hours of wisdom and resilience. we have much more ahead as
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on one count the shootings this weekend in el paso, texas and dayton, ohio were the 21st and 22nd mass killings of 2019 in this country. that's according to a database that tracks homicides where four or more people are killed, not including the shooter. if you count all incidents in which multiple people were shot, some counts have as many as 255 mass shootings so far this year just in this one country. the sheer number of mass shootings in america means that we now have americans who have experienced more than one themselves, and i mean that literally, not just statistically. three of the survivors of last weekend's shooting in gilroy, california were also themselves survivors of the 2017 mass shooting in las vegas. the three of them had actually
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met in a facebook support group for survivors of the las vegas massacre. they then attended the gilroy festival together where they survived yet another mass shooting. joining us now from gilroy, california is msnbc correspondent jacob soboroff. good to have you here, my friend. >> thanks, rachel. >> i know you spoke to a survivor in the festival shooting in gilroy. how is that survivor doing? how has it affected that person to learn of the el paso and dayton mass keacres so soon aft what she went through? >> reporter: i spoke to a woman selling honey at the garlic festival, and she just left the hospital with her colleagues. today still the wounds are still fresh from the mass shooting that happened here just eight days ago, six days before what happened in el paso. and that's part of the reason
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that we wanted to be here tonight. there aren't other media outlets or cameras out here tonight, but we felt like it was important to be here because we can't view these events in isolation from one another. i think so many people, including the folks in our business, tend to do that. these are isolated incidents and we move on. but this event is important to remind everybody that the shooter in this event was also a young man before he came to murder six innocent people, including a six-year-old boy, posted about a racist manifesto and then came here and committed those murders. so, you know, we want to talk about how to view these events in totality, not just as isolated incidents that happen as one because they certainly aren't. you can't look at them separately from each other, you can't look at them from the language of the president, and you can't look at them in a political system where, as you said in the program, the nra
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gave $30,000 to president trump, and he called them americans unlike the liberals of this evening. >> i am struck by the fact that he posted something online. he post aid reference to an anti-semitic, white supremacist screed. discerning motive in these things almost feels like sac rirks sacrilege, because who cares why you did it. on the other hand, these shootings are a domestic terrorist movement and we wouldn't be serving ourselves in terms of trying to head off the next one if we didn't recognize the connections between the previous jacob, in terms of the gilroy impact, do you think it's
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inflei inflecting the way that city is dealing with it to think of the implications, to think of why that guy did what he did? >> reporter: what you said is exactly what that survivor said to me this evening. we may not know specifically the motive but we do have the post of this racest manifesto and we also have the larger context of not only sh shootithis shooting el paso shooting and so much has played out over the years. this is what the survivor talked to me about this evening. the way the president talks about people of color, people that live in this community and to look at the shootings, especially what happened here in gilroy separate and apart from all of that does a disservice to everybody here. >> jacob soboroff, msnbc correspondent for us in gilroy, california. jacob, thank you for being there and thank you for joining us tonightment tonight. i really appreciate you.
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joining us tonight, george will, "washington post." george, your latest title is "trump doesn't just pollute the social environment with hate, he is the environment. it is not i am plausible to believe that trump's years of sulphurous rhetoric, never mind his monday morning reading, seemingly for the first time, of words the teleprompter told him to recite can provoke behaviors from susceptible individuals, such as the alleged el paso shooter, his republican group
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he groupies, meanwhile, are complicit. >> it's so hard to sort out violence from social promptings, but this president is far too ubiquitous in american life. this president doesn't just shape the social atmosphere, he becomes the social atmosphere, especially when people are so struck by what he writes. politicians are so wanton to say things. the president is an entertainer. we lose sight of that fact, and the entertainer was feeding off his audience. today he was feeding off the teleprompter so he was rather sedated. but when he gets in front of his next audience, it will be very interesting to see. the audience itself will not
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have reformed. we know who is attracted to those auditor yumz aiums and th parks where he speaks, and they will give him the incentive to reverse the hype. >> i wasn't surprised to hear the radio silence of republicans on guns. i am surprised that republicans aren't speaking out about domestic terrorism. i'm old enough to remember that republicans were pretty alarmed by anything with the t for terrorism in it. >> in fact, a lot of the fear and anxiety about the national rifle association has limits. it's hard to say that there are limits to this, but there are. and, in fact, the nra right now is con vuvulsed by a lot of the internal problems. but if republicans will actually read the 208th supreme court decision in the heller case, striking down a district of columbia's severe law that says
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you can only have a handgun for personal defense if it was dismantled and locked up and therefore was no good for personal defense. there is nothing in the heller decision rightly and i think th supreme court would do that would prevent the supreme court from affirming laws that would for example restrict certainly drums that are equipped a weapon to fire 100 bullets in less than 100 seconds or automatic rifles of the sort that we're talking about. so the excuse that the supreme court has spoken and settled this is no excuse at all. >> you speak from the heart. you get to the deep roots of everything we're dealing with but what is the porospect for change, the heller desights or
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st how far can we get with half the country walking around like zombies? >> it's a difficult question to answer. i think what we have to do is to get about the business of building a better world. not so much focussing our energy and attention and trying to convince people to hold different sorts of commitments but to build a better world where they have to choose. so it seems to me for example, i'm from mississippi, right? when jim crow mississippi, when the game crow south ended, those who had been born and reared to be a certain kind of racist had to stop. they couldn't walk around calling people the "n" word in public that couldn't call people boy. they couldn't call them my grandfather uncle. they had to change the way they lived. that doesn't mean that the society fundamentally changed but the way they went about living their lives, that world died. and something else came into being carrying the disease with it but something else came into being. we need to spend our time and energy, not so much trying to
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convince folk because those folk have the country by the throat and they have had the country by the throat since the founded. it's time for us to build a better world and say choose it or go your way. >> unbelievable. george and eddie, thank you for being part of this conversation tonight. what happened this weekend in el paso and american gun violence in general is an international story. some of the international response to what happened this weekend will surprise you. we've got a live report on that specific international reaction coming up next. stay with us. international rea coming up next stay with us and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪
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oral combination treatment for hr+/her2- mbc. the grief and outrage from the attack in el paso and the attack in dayton and the attack in gilroy, they all reach far beyond the u.s. borders. but of the el paso attack, of the 22 people killed in el paso on saturday, we're now learning from authorities that seven of those 22 people killed were
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mexican nationals. and that means the government of mexico is now responding on behalf of their own citizens and responding with anger. for more, let's go to nbc news correspondent cal perry in mexico. cal? >> reporter: rachel, we saw head lan lines similar to those around the world with the slight difference, the words of the gunman were splashed over the front pages, hispanic invasion killing of mexicans and that led to this extraordinary press conference yesterday from the foreign minister who talked about american gun violence shs shs, and hate speech and said mexico may take legal action and try to extradite the gunman here to mexico. look, that's not very realistic but points to what you are saying, that the government is going out of its way doing something extraordinary to show citizens it will protect them. put this in larger context. last month donald trump threatened this country with tariffs. a few miles from where i'm standing, you have 11,000
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national guardmen standing on the mexican side of the border turning people around. some people say that's doing the american bidding for them. some people support it. it shows you this tenuous position that the mexican government is in. everybody here views the u.s. as a country with a gun fetish. that is the words that people use here. the difference is and we talk to a kid 26 years old just a fau minutes ago, he got deported from the u.s. and left his family behind in los angeles. he said he would do anything to get back there. talking to his mom today, he said the fear is people will be targeted. that changed not the gun violence but the rhetoric that is what people here are talking about, rachel. >> cal perry reporting. thank you for that. that is a provocative and chilling analysis and again, i know i keep coming back to this nick co nicole but the fact is, this was the worst terror attack to target latinos.
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it's against immigrants and the hispanic community. we're seeing from the white nationalist killers that they are targeting jews in the synagogue and african american worshippers in the black church and targeting hispanics and immigrants and immigrant and border communities. the idea is to, you know i think they think they will bring a race war with them winning and there being no more people of color in this country. the targeting of specific and vulnerable communities here, makes the rhetorical divisions here, the rhetorical elements of this hard to take. >> layer on top of that shellac that with the "new york times" story tonight that donald trump's reelection campaign bought thousands of facebook ads with the word invasion, invasion from mexico. that donald trump's last act, his last act on the white house complex before the midterms was to call for air time. it happened during my hour.
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we didn't give it to them. me and my 4:00 army didn't do much because a lot of people heard him stand in the roosevelt room and spread lies about the caravan. this is ade deliberate strategy. we know it's deadly. >> domestic terrorism is something that's hard for americans to talk about and targeted domestic terrorism from a white nationalist perspective is something that it's always been real but at this point -- >> it's textbook terrorism. >> that will do it for us. thank you for being with us. our friend brian williams is live next with "the 11th hour." tonight, two american communities now take their places on the list of cities that will forever be associated with gun violence and the lose of innocent lives as the combined death tolls from el

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