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but the disconnect between republicans in congress and the american people they're supposed to serve is massive. they ignore 95%, 96%, 97% of americans who want background checks. they ignore the majority of americans who said in a recent poll the president is a racist. they're still defending him. >> i mean, you can't look at this president in one single moment. you have to look at the pattern and then figure out what side do you stand on, the side for democracy and the united states of america or something else? republicans, please consider that. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. thanks so much, mika. hi there. i'm stephanie ruhle. here's what's happening now. in any minute, the governor of ohio is set to give an update about the investigation in dayton in the wake of the shooting that killed nine people there. this comes as we are getting new details about the shooting that took place in el paso just hours before and how the gunman even ended up in that walmart.
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we have also learned that the president will visit both cities on wednesday after calling for both sides to come together to condemn racism and hate. but i want to get right to our reporters who are on the ground with the latest. gabe gutierrez in dayton, ohio, and in el paso, texas. gabe, to you first. have we learned anything new about a possible motive? what do we expect from the governor? >> reporter: hi there, stephanie. yes, as you mentioned, investigators are now digging into the gunman's past, 24-year-old connor betts. and we're also getting a terrifying look inside the bar where this all happened behind me now. a warning to some of our viewers, many may find it disturbing. so here you see that video. and it's just people diving for cover as the gunman was trying to enter the bar. police officers stepped in and were able to take him down within 30 seconds of those first shots being fired.
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investigators say they were able to find 41 spent shell casings at the scene. stephanie, that's pretty incredible when you think, again, the gunman had only been firing for about 30 seconds. authorities say had the officers not stepped in this could have been sadly much worse. nine people were killed and more than 30 injured at this point. we're also learning new details about the gunman's past. now, we spoke overnight with an ex-girlfriend, she is 24 years old and says that she had broken up with the gunman in may after dating for several months, that they had met at a community college class and bonded over their shared struggle for mental illness. she told me at first she found him charming but she now believes there were red flags. for example, stephanie, she says he actually showed her video after mass shooting during their first date and later took her to a gun range and also he performed for an extreme heavy
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metal band known for sexually violent lyrics. now, six of the nine victims here in dayton were african-american but at this point police say so far they've no indication this was racially motivated. the gunman's ex-girlfriend told us she agrees with that assessment. take a listen. >> this isn't about race. this isn't about religion. it's none of those things. this is a man who was in pain and didn't get the help that he needed. he got the shortened of the stick. no support system. >> reporter: certainly the investigation ongoing right now. police trying to figure out whether the sister, the gunman's sister, the youngest victim, may have been specifically targeted here. at this point, stephanie, we just don't know. quick note here. the bar behind me that the gunman was trying to enter incredibly in a show of strength it has already reopened so quickly after this shooting. a show of strength and resilience as this community tries to heal. >> strength and resilience.
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showing a video of a mass shooting on a first date. why do we have access to see that kind of stuff? miguel, let's talk about the police. they released new details down in el paso about the shooting, the shooter, how it all went down. what have you learned? >> reporter: we know the police chief said the suspect drove from allen, texas about a ten or 11-hour drive. he arrived in this neighborhood lost and hungry. law enforcement source also tells nbc news the suspect went into the walmart, took a look around, walked out, then got himself armed and walked back into that walmart, starting his gun fire in the parking lot before opening fire. now, we know the suspect has already appeared before a magistrate judge here in el paso. that judge told nbc news that the suspect appeared attentive and lucid. the police chief also says that the suspect has confessed to the crime, taking full responsibility and is said to be working with investigators, being very open, including about
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his racist manifesto police also say they found online. so that is where we stand with the investigation. in terms of the victims, we're told that 22 people have now died. 15 people are at a nearby hospital still recovering. two remain in critical condition, still fighting for their lives this morning, stephanie. >> thank you both. joining me now to weigh in, nbc news' newest senior digital white house reporter, and the senior political respondent for "the washington examiner" and the president and ceo of voto latino an organization dedicated to empowering young latino voters and my dearest friend, editor-in-chief of the bulwark. and the assistant professor of global politics at university college in london and a columnist for "the washington post." i urge you to read his stuff. it is excellent. charles, oh, i do want to remind our audience of this. as we talk about these two
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shootings that took place over the weekend, please let's not forget that eight days ago a gunman opened fire at a garlic festival, a food festival in gilroy, california, killing three people ages 25, 13, and 6. these aren't isolated incidents. charlie, let's start with the responses we are seeing from lawmakers, from both republicans and democrats, many saying we have to do something. democrats saying, mitch mcconnell let's get out of recess and go to washington and vote. yet yesterday, mcconnell released a statement saying, he wants to work in a bipartisan way to address the mass murders. he didn't mention the word gun once. how does mitch mcconnell get to keep this narrative we both need to work together? the house is ready to go. mitch mcconnell has blocked this and won't bring it to the floor. >> well, we've seen this movie before and we know how it ends. we know there's going to be a lot of finger pointing,
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positioning, and preening, and nothing will happen. look, there is a clear sweet spot here. expanding the background checks, regulating the high capacity magazines, perhaps, you know, finding a way to pass more red flag laws. but i don't think either political party actually is willing to make those kinds of compromises. >> why? >> they'd rather have an issue than a solution and the reality is that the republican party is in the grips of the nra and the nra is not going to concede an inch on all of this. >> hold on a second. every day i hear over and over there are huge rifts in the nra. they don't have the money and power they used to. there are responsible gun owners around the country and they don't feel their views are reflected by the nra. that being the case, how is it that the nra is all powerful and nothing happens? >> well, all of that is
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absolutely true, but, you know, sometimes a cornered animal is the most dangerous and the least likely to be able to compromise. look, the gun issue still plays very strongly in rural areas. in a lot of the places, maybe the battlegrounds in 2020, don't under estimate how much of an advantage that issue gave donald trump in places like pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, and wisconsin. and republicans still think that it is a net plus for them even though i think there is a real possibility they will be annihliated in the suburbs. but there is no political will to do this. there is no political courage unless of course you know donald trump would have turned around and do something he is absolutely incapable of doing which is defying one of his key constituencies and his own base, which is simply not going to happen. >> i'm not sure why common sense over powers a cornered animal. consider it humans-cornered animal. the president responded yesterday calling for both sides to come together and condemn
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racism and hate. those are very positive words. but let's talk action. because it is worth noting that there is a "new york times" report that found that since january, alone, the president's re-election campaign has posted more than 2,000 ads on facebook that include the word invasion. how do we stop hate and racism when our own president is the one leading the rhetoric? >> right. so i think this is the contradiction with the president particularly after events like this is he often will give a speech, a teleprompter prepared speech, and say mostly all of the right things but generally with president trump, who i like to call twitter and rally trump, always trumps meeting and teleprompter trump. meaning you're in a one-on-one meeting with the president and we've seen this after some past shootings, and he'll talk about a desire to implement the kind of gun control that most republicans would reject. and then quickly that will be
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unraveled by where he tends to stand on these issues. i think we have to differentiate between how he acts in the immediate aftermath of an event and what he says subsequently in tweets. and his next rally is august 15th in manchester, new hampshire. i suspect we'll see more of the same. there's just such a distinct difference in how he talks about issues in -- depending on the venue. >> invasion, rapists, murderers is how he started his 2016 campaign and invasion seems to be the word du jour. maria, here is something i'm dying to know. there are a lot of conservative latinos out there. how do they respond to this rhetoric? >> this week has been particularly difficult for the latino community, stephanie, because we're not talking about, sadly, that this is the second largest white supremacist terror attack against americans since the oklahoma city bombing. >> wow. >> this was intentional. this man jumped into a car and
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drove ten hours to maximize harm. el paso is considered the safest city in our country and it's 85% hispanic. he aimed to do a hate crime that is heinous, that is terrifying, and he was sending a message that not even in the safest country -- excuse me -- in the safest city are we safe. and every single latino in this country right now feels more afraid. i know of folks walking around with passports who have been here for generations. we know it is not just the president's rhetoric but also his policies from caging babies to creating a denaturalization task force to trying to include a citizenship question in the census. we also know that under obama he saw the increase in white supremacy so he actually created a counterextremist task force that brought in all of these different agencies from the department of education, the national security department, to the fbi. and one of the first things this president did? he dismantled it. he gutted it. so when we talk about rhetoric it's also policy.
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he has no interest right now in making the country safe, sadly, even though he reads kind of well from a teleprompter because he didn't know the difference between toledo and dayton but, more importantly, he knows this is his currency and how he helps win. this is how he divides america and while we are -- >> maria, that laundry list you just went through, every time one of those things occurred we said, this time it's different. people will come together. they'll say enough is enough. but the reality is the divisions have only gotten deeper. take me to the latino community, the conservatives in that community. do they rationalize what happened this weekend? do they rationalize the president's words? >> just in texas alone, in the last election 2 out of 5 folks that voted in the last election were hispanic. when we say we're trying to equivocate the democratic party and republican party as almost 50/50 that is not the case. the republican party is right now hammered. they are -- you have literally a bleeding of individuals that are
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republican moderates and independents who know this is not right. the reason we were able to transform the house and pass bipartisan legislation for gun safety was because a massive amount of americans who are patriots went out and voted in a hundred years the most that we've seen and said, this is not the america we want to live in. the more we actually talk about the victims of this, of these crimes, the more we actually can elevate the american people who know this is not who we are. and when the president talks about send us back he is basically talking about 132 million of us who live in this country. it is not a sliver, not a minority. it is 30%, excuse me, 40% of this country. we have to make sure we are talking evenly about these news stories, that it is not just through the lens of the trump voter who is diminishing every single day and more about this burgeoning american society who actually believes in our future and that the future is that of unity. >> let's talk about a different president and a presidential statement that was released yesterday. i'm talking about our 44th president, barack obama. he writes this.
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we should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist statements. it doesn't take a genius to say, he's talking to president trump. >> yeah, and president trump knew he was talking about him which i think is very telling. president trump knows what he's doing when he is stoking racism and spreading racism. i think what you have to look at here is there are two issues coming together in places like el paso. one is president trump main streaming hatred and bigotry so, you know, he didn't build the wood on the bonfire but he certainly poured gasoline on it and lit the match. and then saw what happens. and then beyond that you also have the easy access to guns, which is the difference in the rest of the world from the united states. i mean, i've lived in the uk for eight years. there's not been one mass shooting here in that time. right? the reason for that is there is not easy access to guns. and there is not easy access to semiautomatic assault rifles. there's not easy access to clips
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that hold a hundred rounds where you can fire 45 bullets in the span of 30 seconds. and there's actually legislation to prevent these things from happening. i think the combination is dangerous cocktail of white nationalism, main streamed by the president, the hatred coming out of the white house, and, on top of that, easy access to guns for people who frankly should not have them is a very dangerous and deadly one and we'll be here doing this again if nothing changes. >> brian, stay on that. that is what you just wrote about in your piece. the world thinks america's gun laws are crazy and they're right. we know that this populist uprising is happening around the world, specifically in england where you are. what do they think of our gun situation? because that is the one thing that's different here. our hate has translated into things like what happened over the weekend. >> to put it bluntly they think we are completely bonkers. this is something where in 1996 there was a school shooting in dunblane in scotland and there was a sweeping response by the government to deal with guns.
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and there's only been one mass shooting since then in 2010. gun crime is extremely low in the united kingdom. the gun murder rates or gun homicide rate in the uk is 73 times lower than it is in the united states. every other country that's rich on the planet has solved this problem. the only country that refuses to do anything to solve it, with data driven evidence of how we could do that, is the united states. it's the fault of our leaders not the fault of our individual citizens. we need to actually vote out people who refuse to do common sense reform the way that every other developed country on the planet has. >> shannon, president trump is set to visit both of these cities in the coming days. what are we going to expect? >> well, it'll be one more day where this issue is in the headlines, but, i mean, when you look at the news cycle and how many of these shootings we have, i'm not sure if by friday we will still be talking and thinking about this issue. there are at least 15 times the white house has had to respond to some sort of mass shooting
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over this administration's term, sometimes just a tweet, sometimes it's remarks at an oval spray, sometimes as big as this where there is an actual location visit. but then this white house and this administration moves on. even after the parkland shooting when they brought in victims and i was with the president when he went and visited some of the victims in the hospital and that seemed like a moment where members of congress were going to get together and do something. nothing changed. nothing moved on. on friday the president leaves to bed minister for a summer holiday. there is no sign congress is coming back. mitch mcconnell put out a statement that gave no indication he was going to be taking any sort of new course or new direction on this. so i do feel like we will have these headlines on wednesday when the president makes his visit but by next week this white house will have moved on to something else. and i do not think it will change the conversation about immigration in any way because that is still a number one issue for the president's campaign. it is a number one issue for republican voters.
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it is still a top issue for a lot of moderate voters out there. so we have a rally august 15th and i am sure some of the regular immigration talking points will be in that again as well. >> so mitch mcconnell is no the changing direction. but, charles, take me to your home state of wisconsin. it is not just mass shootings. the gun violence archive found that there have been more than 33,000 gun incidents in the u.s. this year. just this weekend in chicago, 59 people were shot, seven of them killed. other countries are warning of our gun culture. japan calling the u.s. a gun society. in wisconsin, where there is a hunting and fishing culture, where that is part of your society, this isn't the gun culture that you all believe in. how do wisconsin voters take to this reality? still, don't touch any of my guns? >> well, first of all, seven years ago yesterday we had a mass shooting here in the milwaukee area where a sikh
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temple was shot up by a gunman, so this is something that has hit home. what i was always struck by, this gap between the absolutist position of the nra and the rather common sense approach most gun owners and hunters have in places like wisconsin. i mean, no deer hunter needs a magazine with a hundred bullets. you know, no deer hunter needed a bump stock. so there is that gap. on the other hand, the nra and the republicans have become very, very cynical in playing on fears that the democrats want to take their guns away from them. and they will play that card again and again. on the other hand, you do wonder whether or not there is at some point a tipping point. i thought that new town was a tipping point. i thought that other shootings were a tipping point. and as shannon just mentioned, you know, none of these conversations actually ever change. parkland. we thought was going to change everything. but it didn't really move the conversation. so when congress comes back in
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september, are voters going to be clamoring or will we have moved on to something else? i just don't know. i do think this is a moment, though, for moral leadership because i do think that there is a common sense core, even among strong gun rights activists, who are simply looking at this gun culture saying, enough is enough. >> well, charlie, this could be a tipping point. talking to you all is helping us move that ball forward. thank you so much. charlie and maria, please stick around. coming up, white nationalism on the rise. but do we have the resources and the will to actually fight it? a former white supremacist turned activist is here to answer just that. you know we have to talk markets. set to open in just minutes after the worst trading day of the year. we are back to pre-trump days. when i book at hilton.com
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the mass shooting in el paso, texas where a gunman killed 22 innocent people is being considered an act of domestic terrorism. but that is the exception when it comes to white nationalism. extremist related murders spiked 35% from 2017 to 2018, making them responsible for more deaths than in any year since 1995. that is according to the antidefamation league. last year, every one of those extremist related murders was carried out by a right wing
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extremist. despite that, last year trump's department of homeland security got rid of a group of intelligence analysts who specifically focused on domestic terrorism and in addition down graded the position of the nation's top counterterrorism adviser. i got one question in this segment. why? joining me now, democratic strategist and former senate leadership aide and a former white supremacist now activist and founder of the free radicals project, also the author of "white american youth my descent into america's most violent hate movement and how i got out." christian, let's start with you. according to the "new york times," in the last 18 months, white extremists active shooters have been responsible for 65 deaths. is this problem escalating or are we just paying more attention to it? >> we've had a problem in our country for 500 years. people have been murdered for their race, their religion since
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our founding. but, yes. it's getting worse. far right researchers working for the government have been defunded. we've lost programs that have focused on domestic extremism. in fact, this is actually tied to trans national terrorism. since the '80s and '90s these groups have been tied overseas as far as financial networks and distribution networks for propaganda. this is something we need to be looking at. >> how are these shootings perceived in the white nationalist community? when you think, un, they're in body armor, writing manifestos. do white nationalists look at these murderers as heroes? >> they do. they look at them as martyrs in some cases. this is something they read about in fiction books that float around their movement, books like "the turner diaries" or "might is right" like the shooter referenced. you know, this is a problem. and they see this as disruption. this is a race war in their eyes. this is not just isolated attacks that they want to do. this is leading up to a race war
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that they want to start. >> okay. a race war that white nationalists want to start while at the same time there is now a question of whether our justice department and the department of homeland security have enough money to fight domestic terrorism. why would we be cutting funding when this is clearly a problem right here on our soil on the rise? >> well, as the person residing in the oval office right now. >> but people voted for him who are down with that. >> totally. the question is always whether trump is a racist and i think that kind of stopped the conversation, like i'm less interested in that and more interested in his actions that are rooted in some of his beliefs and the beliefs of people around him. the president's language, and i heard speech so eloquently on this issue last night. he's right. a lot of these attitudes precede president trump but trumpism, the virus that is trumpism has supercharged a lot of these attitudes. we've never seen a president in the modern era speak like this.
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normally it's someone who is a less known political adviser or regional politician like george wallace or jesse helms. it's never the person who is occupying the oval office. i don't think we can under estimate the impact of that. when you talk about priorities, how much your justice department is spending, deprioritizing things nationally, that all falls from the head of the snake. >> okay. but the number of people killed in attacks from islamic radicals as well as white supremacists is virtually the same over the last few years. extremism is the challenge. why wouldn't we address all extremism in the same way given the threat? >> because the people around the president don't believe that this is the case. that's why you can't get the president -- you got to, you know, essentially force him into a corner to say the words white nationalism, to condemn white supremacy. you remember during the campaign it took him a few days to condemn david duke and disassociate himself with that. this president and the people
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around him do not believe that this is the problem that we are talking about here. they don't prioritize it in that way. if you don't have leadership at the executive level you can't expect all of those below him and all those around him to follow suit. i think that is a lesson we're learning now. >> take us to the mind of the american people. white nationalists often consider themselves patriots. the definition of a patriot is one who loves and supports his or her country. this is our country collectively. >> right. they're far from patriots. actually it is very unamerican. they want the destruction of the american government. they hate democracy. these are people who want to see upheaval. they're not supporting a candidate. but they use the president's words to fuel their hate. >> it is because they, themselves, are suffering? >> my theory is people aren't fworn hate. that they find that as a narrative to fill whatever void in their life exists. people i worked with that dis-engaged from hate, that is a
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great example of that. so yes. but the problem is we have infrastructure problems, human infrastructure problems in this country right now and uncertainty and uncertain times breed extremism. >> stephanie, you know, this used to look easy. it used to be a burning cross, a white hood. it's not that simple anymore. it's people who look like us who go to work every day. these attitudes aren't as easy to pick out. it's the casual racism, frankly, that we hear the president speak of on his twitter feed every day that we're experiencing. >> then counter it with more love, more compassion, and caring about people that we might not consider at other times. joel, christian, thank you both so much. we have to take a quick turn. just 23 seconds ago the markets opened. so it is time now for money, power, politics. investors across the board are looking to recover losses today after the worst day of trading in calendar year 2019 all major indices closing 3% to 4% down yesterday afternoon. remember it's august.
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investors like to sleep this time of year. all of it is rooted in the trade war, heating up against china. right now we are seeing green. a nice little bounce. a start up 147. why is all of this happening? late last night the u.s. treasury department designated china as a currency manipulator. you know the president has been saying this for ages. the president took to twitter once again claiming china is the one bearing all the costs when it comes to the tariffs. news flash. the president is wrong. joining me now cnbc's washington correspondent, "the financial times" u.s. editor, and the former president of the national trade council. bill, i want to go to you first. straight out of the gate when the president says, china is paying for these tariffs, walk us through this. they are not. >> no, he is completely wrong about that. it's one of the sad parts of this debate. the tariff is paid by the importer. when the goods enter the
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country, somebody at this end pays. now, the importer then has a choice. he can pass that on in higher prices. if he's a retailer he can raise his prices. he can eat part of it. keep part of the prices low. if he has a lot of market power, really a big company, walmart, he might be able to persuade the chinese to eat part of it and lower their prices first. that is the only case where the chinese pay. i think the fed did a stud oin this and concluded that almost all of the time it is the american consumer who ends up paying. >> what are we hearing from the white house? china devaluing their currency, which basically says to these u.s. importers don't sweat it. we're going to make our gear cheaper when you have to pay those tariffs. what does the white house say about all of it? the president has been calling them a manipulator forever. >> yeah. he's wanted to do this since day one in office. he did it day #927 instead, stephanie. just a few moments ago nec director larry kudlow was on
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cnbc and said the chinese yuan has fallen 10% in the last year and the white house is not going to tolerate it but then he said one of the ironic impacts of that is that it actually makes goods cheaper for u.s. companies that are buying those goods and importing them from china but he said that is not the right way to go about it. he is essentially acknowledging right there that prices would otherwise have risen by much more, the economic impact would be felt much greater by these u.s. importers if china were not devaluing its currency or letting its currency fall. so he is acknowledging there would be a price that u.s. companies and consumers would be paying if they weren't doing this. but interestingly, stephanie, china is now throwing the treasury's own argument back in its face. treasury back in may said we have three criteria for labeling a country a currency manipulator. china meets two but not all three. now the chinese owe if ignaczaks are saying the u.s. doesn't have a case here. >> the treasury department has a formula and they put every
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currency into it. steve mnuchin is well aware of that. brandon, i want to ask you about a different treasury secretary larry summers. he said this. we may be at the most dangerous financial movement since the 2009 financial crisis with current developments between the u.s. and china. listen, larry summers is no friend to the trump administration but that is a scary warning. >> it is. but there's also been a long-term shift in rhetoric in the way we talk about the dollar more broadly. it's important to draw a distinction between what china is doing right now and what they did for the first half of the 2000s. they were definitely keeping currency artificially low to export to the u.s. what they are doing right now is weirdly until this weekend they had been keeping their currency artificially high to avoid capital flight out of china. we're talking about a different china now than in the early 2000s when there was all this destruction from trade with china in american manufacturing. what larry summers is talking about, there is a broader shift
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in rhetoric about how we think about the dollar in the united states. trump and mnuchin aren't alone. elizabeth warren wants a weaker dollar. chuck schumer encouraged steve mnuchin to designate china a currency manipulator just yesterday, right? so this isn't just the administration. it's a broader recognition. the challenge is, how do we make the dollar cheaper? there aren't any really good answers. and the way we do that is we get the cooperation of the fed and all of the other central banks of the world, which seems very unlikely now. it seems like we can say that the dollar needs to get cheaper against the yuan and all other currencies. there aren't any really good ways to do it. >> all right. bill, china devaluing their currency was their way to combat these new tariffs. they want to make sure u.s. importers keep buying their stuff. is that a short-term solution for them or is it actually something that could work out? >> i think it's partly a signal. i think they want to show our president they've got tools,
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too. i mean, he has had the view from the beginning that we have leverage over china because we have a big deficit with them so if we stop buying we put on tariffs, we can hurt them more than they can hurt us. i think china is signaling here that they can hurt us, too, and they can counter the tariffs, which is what they've done in allowing the rmb to decline. i don't think they pushed it down. i think they just let the market work its will. i think they can continue that for sometime. they have other tools. last night they announced they were going to stop buying agricultural products. they know our weak spots. i think they're not going to hesitate to exploit them. >> has the white house said anything about that? we already know there is a multi billion dollar farm aid package out there. it's been out there for over a year. to try to help farmers who are weathering this storm as china buys less. now china just said not less, how about nothing? what does that mean to the american farmer? >> actually i reached out to a couple farmers yesterday when
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this news came out, stephanie, one in particular, a soybean and corn farmer in indiana, and he said that largely farmers in the midwest have been counting out china as a market for several months at this point because relations have soured. they've been putting soybeans in storage in record amounts because some of these markets have dried up. he said, really, the market is being impacted right now by weather and other pricing pressures that they're facing here at home. they would love for that market to open back up but aren't counting on it any time soon. secretary purdue has said we're not planning on any additional aid this year or in 2020 but you can bet all the democratic candidates are going to be talking about just that at the iowa state fair this week. >> all right. thank you all so much. definitely made us a bit smarter. up next, 2020 presidential hopefuls are calling out trump's response to this weekend's attacks saying it is not enough. here's the question. what would they do in his position?
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to bring all of these stories thatity i've heard to life. i wanted to keep digging, keep learning... this journey has just begun. bring your family history to life like never before. get started for free at ancestry.com last week after they attacked one another on the big stage 2020 democratic candidates are united on this front. president trump's reaction to the weekend's back-to-back shootings was just not enough. >> mr. president, it is long pastime you addressed it for what it is. this is hatred pure and simple and is being fueled by rhetoric that is so divisive and it is causing, causing people to die.
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>> i say to donald trump, stop your anti-immigrant rhetoric. stop the hatred. >> the president has to take a leadership role in this. he's got to stop being so divisive. he has to stop tipping his hat to the white nationalists. >> he has encouraged white nationalists. he is there with white nationalists and when white nationalists embrace him and call him their friend, i take them at their word on that. >> charlie sykes and maria, back with me. beto o'rourke who is from el paso has been very forceful. he dropped an f bomb with reporters yesterday and i want to share what he told chris hayes last night. >> it is that hatred in which the president traffics. the racism that he promotes, the violence that he encourages. no one should be surprised or asking themselves how this could happen in our country. it is very clear in this president's maiden speech as a candidate for the highest office
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in the land he chose to talk about communities like mine to describe mexican immigrants as rapists and criminals. he not only welcomed violence against them but literally sent u.s. service members, thousands of them, to the border. >> maria, beto has said he is running in the name of decency and democracy. as bad as this may sound, could this moment be a chance for beto to gain some momentum? >> i think so. when you look at who the president is most afraid of, you often hear within inner circles beto is the one that concerns him. it's not only because he was able to capture the imagination of progressive texas. he got over 500,000 republicans to vote for him and he got a lot of independents to vote for him. let's not forget obama lost texas by 16 points. four years later hillary lost by nine. two years later beto lost by a merely two. it is significant because right now arizona just went purple. that's 11 electoral votes.
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texas is 38 electoral votes. if you were to ask me who has more chance of flipping, texas or florida, i would make my bet on texas. >> texas people have called it the new swing state. charlie, it's not just beto. other candidates speaking out. tomorrow cory booker is going to be giving a speech from the charleston church where white supremacists killed nine african-americans just a few years ago. are these shootings giving democrats an opportunity to rise above the republican party's battle over gun laws? americans out there have often said, there's gridlock in washington. nothing is getting done. can democrats use the opportunity to say, it's not nothing. it's mitch mcconnell? >> yes, yes they can. by the way, on beto o'rourke if he really wants to flip texas maybe he ought to drop out of the presidential race and run for the u.s. senate in texas because i think he has a better shot there. i think people like john hickenlooper might want to think about running for senate in colorado. but to your point, it is interesting that this comes a
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week after the democrats seem to be forming that circular firing squad where they were attacking one another and now they do seem more focused on going after donald trump. there's two separate issues here. there is the gun issue and then there is the issue of white nationalism and white supremacy. donald trump, you know, said the words, these sort of empty words yesterday, but what did they actually mean? are they going to --? democrats have a real opening to continue to isolate what the president is saying, to basically say, this is not what americans do. this is not how americans talk. but on the issue of gun control, look. you know, i was perhaps a little bit negative in the last segment. we have a federalist system. there are state governments that can act on all of this. so simply because mitch mcconnell will do nothing and he
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will do absolutely nothing on all of this, that becomes a national issue. but democrats can also make the case that each individual state also can step up and deal and address these issues. we did it in florida after parkland. >> in new york just the last few weeks. words sound good but actions sound better to a lot of voters. >> right. >> pete buttigieg is offering actions. he has a new plan specifically to combat gun violence and is promising to dedicate a billion dollar to fight white nationalism. he does want to institute the universal background checks and close loopholes and he wants to ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. help us understand this. is this the strongest offering from any 2020 contender? what does it do to republicans? many republicans are depending on suburban voters who say, well, i feel really good about my 401(k). and, you know, it's okay that the president is maybe not that good of a guy. does this change the game?
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we want our money but we want our kids safe? >> it absolutely does because it also mirrors a lot of legislation that was passed bipartisan support in the house is now languishing because mitch mcconnell decided he doesn't believe any of those points whether highly automatic weapons, background checks, the list goes on, he doesn't want to pass it so it is stagnant. a lot of the pieces falling are pieces that have already passed the house and that was again done in a bipartisan manner. let's not forget, though. he is hitting a chord among white suburban moms. when we talk about this idea of health care, we talk about babies in cages, we talk about making sure that our kids are safe in school against gun violence, those are the three issues, the three chords that brought white suburban women back into the democratic party last election. he knows exactly what he is doing. he is driving it down the middle and we need more of those conversations of what is it that unifies the country and brings us together? >> all right. thank you both so much.
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turning now to breaking news, a different kind of sad news. we just learned that nobel and pulitzer prize winning author toni morrison has died at the age of 88. her publisher tells nbc news she died last night at a new york hospital. in 1988 morrison won a pulitzer prize for her writing. in 1993 she was awarded the nobel prize in literature. in 2012 president obama presented morrison with the presidential medal of freedom. coming up, when the government is in gridlock, is big business responsible for stepping up? i spoke to dick's sporting goods ceo ed stack about their move as a new op-ed calls out walmart challenging them to do more to stop gun violence. ♪ corey is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking ibrance
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walmart store in el paso, texas was home to a horrific shooting over the weekend. now there are growing calls for walmart and big companies in general to do more to combat gun violence, including an open letter written to ceo doug mcmillan. the argument, beyond the politics of gun control, ending gun sales in stores could be a smart business decision for retailers like walmart.
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joining me now risk averse advisers, dan nathan. amazon does not sell firearms. we might not understand all of the walmart customers, especially in other regions in the u.s. what's the right thing for walmart to do? they're not selling semiautomatic weapons? >> andrew's op-ed was interesting. he used the term "leverage on" on many occasions. this is what walmart has to do, to apply leverage on things they carry about. it 2 million people here in the u.s. account for 10% of our total retail sales. over $500 billion in sales. >> biggest employer. >> yeah. here's the thing, half the sales are coming from groceries. they are in an arms race with amazon, who is getting 50% of new e-commerce sales. walmart is spending a lot of money to catch up with
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e-commerce. they need things where customers are interested in coming in their stores and buying. one of those things is guns. one thing that is interesting about andrew's op-ed, guns are an material part of walmart's sales. they don't want to go out and alienate a certain part of their customer base or employer base. they have to walk a fine line. i think that's why after parkland last year they were careful to put some things in place that restrict sales but not restrict all sales. >> we know dick's sporting goods walked that fine line. they stopped selly semiautomatic weapons. i spoke to the ceo last night. here's what he said. >> i will tell you, we have had a number of people who are avid shooters, hunters and outdoorsmen who said we understand this. we don't think there is a need for the assault-style rifle and continued to be part of our customers. there was a lot who left us. we understood that and knew that was going to happen.
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a lot of people endorsed this. to me this is an easy decision. it was an expensive decision for us. if we had a chance to do it all over again, we would do it all over again the same way. >> for hunting and fishing thaouz afts, if you're a hunter and you need a semiautomatic weapon, you might want to find a new hobby. you're not very good at it. is the answer take a closer look at the nra? look at lawmakers, whether you're talking dick's sporting goods or walmart or any other major major retailer. if they suddenly say, hey, mitch mcconnell, you don't get a dollar from me if you don't have background checks. >> i don't think they will do it. >> why not? >> there is just a really tough spot. mark benioff, a very progressive
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ceo. his customer base and the powers that be were for what he stands for. >> a san francisco company. >> that's right. i'm not sure walmart customers really care. if you want leverage, look at the waltons. they own 50% of walmart. apply leverage to them, and they may be able to effect serious change. >> the walton family. that is a great suggestion. thank you for joining me, dan. coming up, john hickenlooper is here. his state went through columbine and aurora. what is his plan to combat violence? to combat violence plus we'll match your miles at the end of your first year. you'll match my miles? yeah! mile for mile! and no blackout dates or annual fee. nice! i was thinking about taking a scuba diving trip! i love that. or maybe go surfing... or not. ok. maybe somewhere else. maybe a petting zoo. can't go wrong. can't get eaten. earn miles. we'll match 'em at the end of your first year. plus no annual fee or blackouts. the discover it® miles card.
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that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you back here at 1:00 p.m. more news with my friend hallie jackson. >> steph, thank you. we begin with words and action. more specifically, words demanding action. but little of the action itself. after 24 hours of the most hateful action in our country's history. laying out what the plan is to make sure what happened in ohio this weekend, the deaths of nine people in 30 seconds doesn't happen again. >> do something. and they were absolutely right. we must do something. >> but what will ohio's legislature do. what about the president? what action will he take? he may by has congress as he gets ready to both ohio and texas, even with some local leaders saying, please don't.
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