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that wraps up this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you back here at 1:00 p.m. more news with my friend hallie jackson. >> steph, thank you. we begin with words and action. more specifically, words demanding action. but little of the action itself. after 24 hours of the most hateful action in our country's history. laying out what the plan is to make sure what happened in ohio this weekend, the deaths of nine people in 30 seconds doesn't happen again. >> do something. and they were absolutely right. we must do something. >> but what will ohio's legislature do. what about the president? what action will he take? he may by has congress as he gets ready to both ohio and texas, even with some local leaders saying, please don't. we're live in both states.
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in dayton, people trying to figure out why the shooter did what he did. an exclusive nbc interview, his former girlfriend said she believes there were red flags. >> this is a man who was in pain who didn't get the help that he needed. >> we're on the ground in el paso. new details about what that shooter is saying after his deadly attack. our team of reporters is spread out across the country covering it all. let's start with gabe gutierrez, morgan chess sky and hans nichols at the white house. i know you had a chance to speak with the shooters ex-girlfriend, i believe, in the overnight hours. what are you learning? >> hi, hallie. well, just in the past few minutes, we have seen police investigators here in the oregon district in dayton as part of their investigation looking through the scene again. there is a huge search for the motive right now. still many unanswered questions on why that gunman, 24-year-old
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connor betts opened fire. as you mentioned, he killed nine people in the span of 30 seconds. we are seeing new video as well of what happened inside that bar. a warning that video is disturbing. certainly that is difficult to watch. you can see people diving for cover as that gunman was trying to get inside the bar. he never made it inside, though. authorities say that was because of the quick action of first responders on the scene. officers that took the gunman down within 30 seconds. again, authorities say they recovered 41 spent shell casings in and around this area. it is incredible when you think he was only firing for 30 seconds. he had the capacity -- they can't confirm how many rounds he had. but he could have had up to 250 rounds. so you can imagine the carnage that could have unfolded in addition to what happened.
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we spoke to one of his ex-girlfriends, 24 years old. she met him at a community college class. they bonded over their shared struggle for mental illness. she dated him for several months until she broke off the relationship in may. she believes there were red flags. that he actually showed her a video of a mass shooting. he was fascinating with shootings. take a look at what she had to say. >> this isn't about race. this isn't about religion. it is none of those things. this is a man who is in pain. he didn't get the help that he needed. he got the short end of the stick. no support system. >> so certainly many unanswered
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questions right now about why the gunman may have opened fire. that's what police are looking at now. and whether his sister, the youngest victim, 22-year-old megan betts, was a specific target, hallie. as we have been reporting, she came here to the oregon district earlier in the evening with the gunman as well as another mutual friend. they separated at one point during the night. unclear if she was specifically targeted. >> gabe live in dayton. down to el paso, texas. morgan chesky, what do we know? >> reporter: hallie, good morning. we're finally getting insight into the mind of the shooter after he was taken without incident at this walmart behind me. authorities were able to question him for hours at length over the course of the past 48 hours. they are describing his state of mind as showing little remorse for what he did.
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we are learning about where he originated in allen, texas, and made the 8 to 10-hour drive here to walmart. authorities telling us today that he was lost and hungry. he was not familiar with this area. he was away from any unfamiliar territory. he parked inside the walmart parking lot, walked inside, i believe got some food to eat, unarmed. he walked back out, grabbed his ak-47 that he purchased legally, and walking inside. he began to kill people execution style inside that building. in addition to the three locations where they executed search warrants in the dallas area. he remains without bond here in el paso. of course facing a state charge
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of capital murder, which includes the death penalty. the community is beginning the long process of healing. i had a chance to speak to a gentleman who owns a boxing gym. he said every kid if they walk through his tkpaors, he just greets them with a hug. this is such a tight-knit city. it will be a lesson road going forward. >> morgan, thank you. let's bring it back to what's going on here in washington. because there is at least, hans nichols, things going on, action going on. he goes and visits el paso and dayton. the mayor said it will happen tomorrow. the expectation is that the president may be met with protests on his visit. no? >> some of the democratic lawmakers currently representing parts of el paso are saying the
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president is not welcome. it is still the office of the presidency. any president struggles with the role of being counselor in chief. it is exceedingly difficult to find the right words, the right tone. what we know about president trump he broadcasts on different frequencies. there are times he tries to strike the right tone. on twitter he is a little more political. we will see if and when. here's what the president has done in past visits. he visited hospitals. he hasn't always necessarily made remarks. there is symbolism in a visit. not necessarily substance. that is true of previous presidents. take a look where the president's mind is at this morning. he is picking a fight with president barack obama.
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he will say he is just responding to barack obama. president obama had 32 mass shootings during his reign. not many people said obama is out of control. mass shootings were happening before the president even thought about running for president. he is quoting fox news there. he is responding to this statement from president obama where former president said we should strongly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred and normalizes these sentiments. senator toomey from pennsylvania, a state with a strong gun culture. senator mansion of west virginia. they will look to see if there is action from senator tomby, comments or senator graham who wants to do something on red flag legislation.
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that is the possibility. the president hasn't ruled it out. hasn't embraced it as much as some might have thought he would have given what he was tweeting about yesterday. >> he hasn't ruled it out but hasn't put it on the table either, hans. that's one of the questions we have to work on. thank you, friend. we appreciate it. a new response from mitch mcconnell. you could call it a responsibilities. it's more of ignoring kind of situation. dismissing calls from democratic lawmakers to bring the senate back into session. you have some of these democrats who want to vote on the bill of background checks that the house already passed. i want to bring back in jake sherman for politico and nbc news political contributor. jake, bring us up to speed where you see some of these things going. you heard hans nick always talk about how he spoke with senator tomby and others about legislation that could be happening. is the landscape looking a little bit different than it was 18 hours oregon simply not?
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. >> it doesn't seem like it. what we need to look for in the next days, weeks, months, what does the president embrace specifically. hans said it perfectly. he has toyed with the idea of background check though he has not embraced it. society, we need to tighten mental health regulations, all sorts of things they have talked about for a long time. he would need to embrace something new. i wrote this. a lot of republicans say privately that if he were to do that, the politics would change for members of congress on capitol hill. i think a lot of members privately will concede politics passed them by on this issue and public sentiment has gone wildly against the widespread availability of weapons of this nature. even though they might not have caused this incident, they could cause other incidents in the future. so i think they are looking for presidential leadership here. that sounds cliche, but it's not. the president has an
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unbelievable ability to rally his base basically around anything he wants. we have seen that with deficit spending, with all sorts of things. we're familiar with that at this point. so if the president were to embrace background checks i think in the next coming months, we could see background checks gain traction on capitol hill. maybe not only a background check. maybe a bill that does a lot more than background checks. watching the president very closely here. bob casey joins us next and john hickenlooper. lots to come. before that the founder being dubbed a gunman's megaphone is speaking with us collusively. we have this brand-new interview out this morning with the guy who started the website named 8chan is saying. that's right after the break. thk
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this morning we are bringing you a new nbc news exclusive interview. you are seeing it here first. an interview just into us from our team overseas with the founder of the gunman's megaphone, a site called 8chan. the shooter in el paso posted a racist rant. keir simmons is in our london bureau with more. this is a fascinating conversation with somebody who
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actually now supports the idea, right, that 8chan come down off the internet. >> reporter: yeah. you can see why, hallie. the site has seen three mass shootings announced in advance, including the christchurch new zealand mosque pass kemassacre. you are about to hear that the site has gone a long way from the free speech utopia that he says he set out now. he is a man with brittle bones disease. he uses a wheelchair. he lives in the philippines. he knows the folks who are still running the site out of the philippines. and listen to what he has to say. our team in the philippines just recorded this interview. this is what he has to say about the attitude he believes the guys running the site have about the material that's online. >> even after the shooting, hours and hours later, they kept their tag line on the front
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page, embrace in famy. like they are happy about being infamous. it is like they are telling users, hey, if you want to do something good for us, go shoot up a school because that will make us more infamous. go shoot somewhere up. as long as you are screaming 8 channel had we do it because we are becoming more infamous. >> he said the man running the site is a former united states army veteran, that he runs the site with his son. he is losing money, hallie, in order to run the site. one of the interesting aspects of all of this and what happened with el paso is it illustrates the role of the internet and what you're seeing you can equate, i think with that kind of jihadist terrorist use of the internet to inspire people around the world. there are no borders with the internet. >> right. >> reporter: and no borders with inspiring this kind of violence.
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>> on 8chan, i know the service provider who had been putting it up said, hey, we're not going to do that right now. even though the company was conflicted over issues, for example, such as free speech. you can't give a megaphone to people spreading this kind of hate. how long do you think 8chan will stay down? >> reporter: that's what they have been calling for through the weekend. the site should be shut down by the providers. it has been taken offline. the issue partly not necessarily this particular site but the fact that these sites are going to spring up. until this one develops from another, the problem is a profound one, isn't it? >> yeah. >> reporter: it is not just about one side. it is about the fact that the internet brings people together in their computers, their bedrooms. again, it is the same problem we faced with islamic terrorism. ultimately what you are doing is
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bringing people together with a dark thoughts and giving them the impression that other people support them. even if they're thousands of miles away. even though people are acting and people are losing their lives. >> keir simmons in london. you are working on the story for "nbc nightly news". keir, thank you much. as elected officials work out to figure out the mass shootings in dayton and el paso, federal agencies responsible for thwarting threats of domestic terrorism and how they are scrambling with limited resources. you can see the headline on your screen. we have a problem. ken delaney has that for us. this is fairly new reporting from inside the justice department and dhs, how prepared they are for the issue of domestic terrorism. >> that's right, hallie. the conversation in the national security community today is about realignment of post 9/11
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priorities. the patriot act allowed things to do they have not done before. billions of dollars in funding behind that suffered. over the years, the fbi used this to arrest and thwart domestic terrorists for jihadi terrorists. at the department of homeland security, 10 million in grants devoted to countering violent extremism cut under the trump administration. that is one example. another example, the fbi -- recently an fbi official testified in congress among counterterrorism agents and analysts, 80% were devoted to the threat of international terrorism versus 20% devoted to the domestic threats.
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even though white supremacists have killed as many people since 9/11, if not more, than jihadi terrorism. one of the things people say, former national security officials, we need a statute criminalizing domestic terrorism and material support of domestic terrorism. you can prosecutors cute people who raise money and send it to isis but can't do the same if they raise money in support of white supremacists. >> ken, can i just interrupt? there is nothing on the books that would allow that to happen? >> there is a lot that criminalizes domestic terrorism but no penalties. you don't have the same kind of predicate. the fbi can't do the same thing in terms of eavesdropping, chat rooms and listening to what people are saying under the fisa law. they can't do that with white supremacists. in fairlfairness, there is no a
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qaeda people, these are alienated people on the internet. one in el paso was a white supremacist motivation. the one in dayton was not, even though the shooters may have had the same memory health profile. it will require a national debate and possibly changes in law, hallie. >> sounds like it. ken, thank you for that reporting. when we come back, much more on the deul shootings. but we are talking about something else. her books inspired millions. breaking news, toni morison, dead at the age of 88. more on her incredible life, work, and what her family is saying about her. saying about her if you have moderate to severe psoriasis or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness,
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statement that she died following a short illness. she was surrounded by family and friends. they went on to say they are grateful she had a long, well-lived life. from the start, toni morison was exceptional. she remembers being the only black child in the first grade and the only one who could read. the early reader became a displayed writer, called one of the greatest authors in american history. the bluest eye, shula, song of solomon, are considered classics. illuminating the black experience in america. . >> we not only survived, we produced something so valuable. that's what is worth celebrating. >> reporter: born in 1931 some ohio, she studied english at howard university where she picked up the nickname toni. as one of the few black editors at random house, morison published books by angela davis and muhammad ali. she wrote her own first novel in
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1973 an work when her two sons were in bed. 14 years later, she won the pulitzer for "beloved." it was made into a movie. the story of a black woman who kills her own child to save her from a life of slavery. poet maya angelou said she didn't write english, she composed it. composition so extraordinary in 1993, she became the first african-american awarded the nobel prize in literature. oprah's book club made morison a household name, whose works challenged readers. >> it's not fast food. it's a meal that you should relish. >> reporter: in 2012, acknowledged with the nation's highest civilian award. >> toni morison's prsoe brings us the northerly and emotional intensity that few writers ever attempt. >> reporter: she devoted her life to teaching and inspiring
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others to write. . >> i could never be happy if i thought there would be another void, another huge historical silence about the experience of black people. >> reporter: toni morison, a descendant of share croppers who changed the face of american literature. reheema ellis, nbc news. i want to share a little bit more of the message that came from her family. we have a full screen of it. it says she was an extremely devoted mother, grandmother and aunt who revelled with being with her family and friends. the consummate writer who treasured the written word, whether her own, her students or others, she read voraciously and was most at home when writing. she said she made me understand writing was a fine profession. i grew up wanting to be only her. some of the words coming from someone who loved her, loved her
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year over escalating trade war with china. the dow up 100, 116 points this morning. the white house is officially declaring china a currency manipulator. that is something the u.s. hasn't done since the bill clinton years. the trump administration said china is getting an unfair competitive advantage by allowing the devaluation of its currency. that makes chinese products cheaper. president trump is tweeting about it this morning, arguing the u.s. remains in, what he describes, as a very strong position. new reporting this morning about the president and what he may do unilaterally about new gun laws. he said he will be looking at several options outside the ones he mentioned. asking social media and law enforcement to identify before they strike. stopping the so-called glorification through video games and reforming mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed people who
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might turn violent. critics pointed to holes in each of those. red flag laws, those make it easier for courts to take guns away from people deemed a danger to themselves and others. you can see on the map here that 17 states already have some version of the law in effect. the reporter behind that piece is with me now. gabby, run down when he might do something, if he does anything >> reporter: the white house said president trump is spending the next week looking to congress to see if there is any action on their part. if there isn't, there is a possibility that he will turn to his executive authority to do something related to gun control or to cushing gun violence. hallie, a couple of options that i have heard just in conversations with white house officials are things we have already heard from 2020 democrats and past presidential hopefuls, things like rein stating the obama-era rule that president trump took off the table early in his administration that sought to prevent mentally ill individuals from acquiring or purchasing
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guns. another thing is extending the cooling off period that most people have to endure when they go to purchase a firearm. one of the other things on the list is possibly creating larger fines or worse consequences for gun manufacturers and gun sellers that don't abide by existing regulations. there are a number of things being talked about. it is likely president trump will turn to executive action if nothing happens on capitol hill. he did it after the parkland shooting when he decided to encourage the justice department to ban bump stocks. he did this after the supreme court struck down his efforts to attach a citizenship question to the 2020 census by urging federal agencies to collect information on citizens and noncitizens in the u.s. he has done it with a number of items before.
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he is looking to see what he does in the next week or so. >> that is for sure. gabby orr, don't go anywhere. thanks. >> i want to bring in senator bob casey, a democrat from pennsylvania joining me for more on this. member of the health, education, labor and pensions committee. thanks for being back on the show. >> thanks, hallie. >> so a lot to talk about here. we can kind of take our pick here. let me pick up where gabby left off on red flag laws and growing apparent support for that. where are you? >> well, hallie, what they call extreme risk protection legislation is a step forward. but, look, there is so much more we have to do. that's why i hope that the president would do is by way of twitter or by use of the telephone. call mitch mcconnell and say bring the senate back into session in this month so we can
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move on background checks, where there is a bill in the house. let's get background checks done. let's at least and debate and vote on the question of the question of taking away the high-powered military-style weapons. limitation on the magazine. the horror of dayton is not example how one individual can kill a lot of people. i would hope he would urge the senate to act. the block aid, in terms of gun reform on common sense measures is the united states senate and the person of mitch mcconnell. and i hope the president would use his ability to communicate to urge mitch mcconnell to take action right away. >> you are putting this on mitch mcconnell's shoulders. he seems to be shrugging it off. it will only take us farther away from the progress that all americans deserve, referring it appears to the calls to bring senators back from recess. are those calls that you are supporting partisan theater, as
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mitch mcconnell writes? >> no. and he knows he's wrong. he knows we have to take action. like most republicans in the senate, he is afraid of the gun lobby. the gun manufacturers, who have a business interest in keeping and selling more guns. but what we should do is come together as a nation. this is a uniquely american problem. no other nation has it. it was created over time. we need american leadership in the form of the president. the senate majority leader bringing people together not simply on voting on a whole series of gun measures but to confront white supremacy and hate. that can't be done in one bill. it requires a national conversation which should be led by the president of the united states. the president can change his language right away when it comes to using demonizing language when it comes to
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immigrants and asylum seekers. >> let me ask you before we move on from the hill. the president has spoken with both senators in the past 24 hours, according to the white house. is that one of the senators is your colleague from pennsylvania. does that give you hope or optimism when they return in september something could end up happening. there could be movement or daylight from mitch mcconnell here? >> well, i think it is an indication of broad bipartisan support. i think the house bill is what i prefer that's already passed the house. all we need to do is take up the bill and pass it. if they want a couple of hours of debate, fine. if they can't say they will meet this week or early next week, he should set a date certain on a whole range of measures and then just start voting. there's no guarantee that a measure will pass. but we have to vote on this
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urgent national problem. >> you mentioned the idea of a national conversation that led at the highest office in the land, the oval office from president trump. how in your view can the president condemn racism. >> the job of president is to lead and to admit when you made a mistake. one of the constructive things he could do in terms of dollars, don't cut to 3 million. the office of community partnerships in the department of home land security, which is designed to push back against this hate, designed to build coalitions against white supremacy, hate, and extremism. >> senator casey, thanks for being back 309 show. i appreciate you coming on. i hope to touch base with you back in the fall when you are back in session. >> thank you. coming up, the 2020 trail. and the debate over gun control. it now seems to be dominating the 2020 democratic primary.
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right now senator cory booker is in south carolina as gun control emerges as a top issue for 2020 democrats. you can see a live shot here at the senator. he is planning to speak tomorrow also in south carolina in charleston. the emanuel a.m.e. church. besides booker, you have this morning mayor pete buttigieg releasing his plan, which includes a billion dollars for law enforcement agencies to counter the increase in white nationalist violence, identifying limited hate speech online and ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. . >> the white house and party doesn't want to act because they're embarrassed about their own relationship to this kind of extremist ideology add home. it is no excuse for allowing it to fester and kill. >> shaq, we heard from pete buttigieg. you spoke with senator booker
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before he went into the townhall meeting. it seems like candidates are talking, sense saturday of course, since the weekend's horrific events, more and more about their plans, what they would do to try and stop gun violence and what we're seeing? >> reporter: right. and you're hearing the criticism of president trump quite vocal. and the main theme you are hearing from the candidates is the president's words were hollow, they say. it doesn't match the rhetoric we have heard from him in the past. some of that strongest criticism has come from senator cory booker, who is speaking to a crowd now in south carolina. he makes this a big part of his candidacy, combatting gun violence the central theme to his campaign. on his way into the last campaign rally or existing campaign rally i got to talk to him. listen to what he told me. . >> i called for him to acknowledge his own participation in racism and bigotry. this is someone who is using language that is igniting and
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giving license to people doing horrible, horrible things. on these eddies, dark eddies and corners of our culture, these websites that you see people trafficking in the language of our president. and he has to take responsibility. this is a time of moral clarity, where leaders take responsibility. >> and senator booker tomorrow will be giving a speech in charleston at the sight where the nine worshippers were killed, emanuel a.m.e. church. he is calling it a time of moral clarity for the country. hallie? >> shaq, great work. thank you. let me bring in somebody else talking about this on the campaign trail, colorado governor john hickenlooper. as governor of course enacted the 2012 massacre movie theater in aurora. thanks for being back on the show. >> you bet. thanks for having me. . >> so, here we are. i don't know if you had a chance to talk to senator bob casey
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earlier in the show about where this goes next. i want to give you an opportunity to talk about your plan and what you would do as president to combat gun violence. but first, where does this go next and where should it go next on capitol hill? >>hill? >> well, obviously the sooner the better that we get the u.s. senate to act on universal background checks, limiting magazine capacity, red flag laws, there seems to be pretty broad bipartisan support. when we did it back in colorado in 2013, it had over 90% approval from everybody, the entire state, and we still couldn't get the nra to compromise and we couldn't get a single republican vote. the nra threatened to cut all their financial support. we've got to get to a place where we're not divided and recognize these are in the broad common interests. universal background checks, limiting magazine capacities,
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red flag laws, these are the basic foundation upon what we've got to build. >> senator mitch mcconnell has not heeded these calls from some democrats to bring it back into session. if you were president, what would you say to him? what could you say to him now if you were to talk to him to get him to reconsider? >> i think time is of the essence. and he has an opportunity to demonstrate he really does care and that he does listen to the country. and i think he should bring people back sooner. it shouldn't take that long to get these three basic bills passed and begin the work of looking at even broader measures to make sure our country's safe. i think it's also this division, and donald trump is the master at division, and i don't think it's any coincidence that last night he announces he's going to, you know, dramatically increase his tariff war with china. which basically is going to distract everyone. i mean, they're probably -- i'm
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in iowa right now and there are probably farmers and their families sitting around the kitchen table look at that and realizing they're not sure how they're going to make their mortgage payments based on this trade war that's going to absolutely affect their ability to have a successful year. >> would you good as far as what we heard from senator booker who said essentially president trump has contributed to this culture of gun violence with some of the things he said about immigrants in the past? what responsibility, if any, in your view, does the president bear on this? >> well, think he has created an atmosphere, and whether directly or indirectly, in other words, is he providing tas scit approv for this? he's still putting out ads talking about invasion of the united states from the south. that's inflammatory language meant to create fear and anger among the people he's trying to
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get to support him. you know, there's a fine line where that anger turns into violence. and he seems ignorant of that or he thinks he can maybe get them to the edge and not go across it. but clearly he's wrong. it is not able to control what his language is driving people to do and he's got to back off. and i think he's got own some responsibility and say, hey, i didn't intend this, but obviously this is part of the problem and i am going to do everything i can to get more balanced discussions started so that we don't have this -- this incredible, you know, this extremist thought and extremist attitudes towards hate. >> yeah. we've talked a little bit about what you have done, your record as governor of colorado, particularly after the aurora theater shootings to get gun control measures passed. it didn't come without controversy. a couple state senators were recalled after that. are you confident of that democrats in congress right now have the will to stand up to that kind of backlash were it to
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come? >> yeah, i think the democrats in the senate understand that. you know, the two senators? colorado, the state senators that got recalled over passing universal background checks, both of them have never -- never for a moment doubted that what they did was important and relevant. and if they got recalled, they're accept that, that was part of what their duty was. and i think the democratic senators and hopefully a few republican senators in washington are going to step up and say, yea, push has come to shove. it's gone way beyond what anybody should have ever allowed. we're having -- we're having almost one mass shooting a day in this country. how can we accept that? >> yeah. former colorado governor 2020 presidential candidate john hickenlooper. thanks for being on the show. appreciate it. >> you bet. coming up at the top of the hour, the new details being released in the el paso and dayton victims. the steps the president could take in the days and weeks
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time now to get a look at what our sources are saying. gaby sbak with us. what are your hearing from your source there's at the white house? >> yeah, hallie, switch together topic of immigration i've spoken to a number of dhs officials who said the president is planning to start kucticonstruction on n segments of the border wall using the 284 funding that was secured during his emergency declaration. they are eager to get to work on this after the supreme court
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decision last month that lifted that stay on using these funds. and their goal is to accelerate the pace even more after january so he can go to voters and saying i'm getting this promise fulfilled and building what i said along the border. >> and timeline is maybe the next few weeks here, uh? >> in the next few weeks. starting in september is what i was told. it will be a few miles a week through january and then after that the pace could pick up even more. >> thanks for being on the show this morning. that does it for us. right now my colleague craig melvin picks it up in new york. hey, craig. >> good to see you, my friend hal hallie. craig melvin here msnbc headquarters in new york city. on defense amid the fallout over dual mass shootings. this morning, president trump lashing out again. an abrupt shift from the tone he tried to set on monday as he's expected to travel to areas affected this week. will the president be welcomed? also, mounting pressure to
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act. calls growing louder for mitch mcconnell to bring back the senate to act on gun legislation. and they're facing their internal debates. and the growing alarm among national security officials. it's not over isis or al qaeda, but over the rising threat of far-right violence in this country. is it time to reassess the government's response to domestic terrorism specifically? we'll dig into that in just a moment. but we start here. and as the nation mourns the senseless murders of 31 people shot in two massacres over the weekend. a lot of folks across the country are looking to washington to finally do something about the epidemic of gun violence in this country. today we're learning more about the victims and the investigations as well as washington tries to figure out what can be done to prevent the next tragedy. we're going to get more details now from nbc's gabe gutierrez

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