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ancestors were natives to these shores or immigrants from generations back like my family from ireland, or those coming looking to build a better life for their families. the american creed that we're all created equal was written long ago, but the genius of every generation americans has opened it wider and wider and wider to include those who have been excluded in the previous generation. that's why it's never gathered any dust in our history books. it's still alive today more than 200 years after its inception. but i honest to god don't believe donald trump ceasees it that way. on january 20th, 2017, in his inaugural address, donald trump painted a dark, bleak picture of our country in crisis when he declared, and i quote, this
american carnage stops right here, it stops right now. but as a sitting president, trump's anger, hate and divisiveness, pitting americans against one another, preying on our divisions and doing nothing, nothing about the endemic and the epidemic of guns is fueling a literal carnage in america. we now have more mass shooting in 2019 than we have days that have passed since january 1, 2019. as of monday, according to the data from the gun violence archives, there have been 255 mass shootings in the first 217 days of this year. we can't let this go on. we can't and i will not let this man be re-elected president of
the united states of america. [ applause ] >> i can't. [ applause ] >> folks -- [ applause ] >> folks, his incompetence, his immorality, his carnage stops with us right here, right now starting in the midwest. limit to four years, i believe -- and i really do believe this, that history will look back on this presidency as an abhorrent part of history. if donald trump is re-elected, i
believe he will forever alter the character of this nation. if we give donald trump four more years, this will not be the country envisioned by washington, adams and jefferson. if we give donald trump for more years, this will not be the nation bound together by lincoln. if we give donald trump for more years, this will not be the nation lifted up by roosevelt or inspired by kennedy. it will not be the nation that barack obama proved towards justice. the danger -- [ applause ] >> the danger donald trump and the alt-right pose to this nation isn't hypothetical or exaggera exaggerated. it's real. the core values of this nation
are standing in the world, our very democracy, everything that makes america is at stake. folks, everyone knows who donald trump is, even the people who support him. we have to show him who we are. we choose hope over fear. we choose science over fiction. we choose unity over division. and, yes, we choose truth over lies. [ applause ] >> if we stand together, if we stand together, we will win the battle for the soul of this nation. we're the united states of america. there's not a single thing beyond our capacity if we stand together and get up and remember who we are. this is the united states of
america, period. thank you and may god protect our troops. [ applause ] >> the vice president joe biden, 2020 presidential candidate in burlington, iowa, fired up in a speech to a crowd there making references to donald trump saying that there's no moral leadership coming from donald trump and that he has more -- that -- if he were to be re-elected, it would tear apart the fabric of the united states. donald trump has tweeted, watching sleepy joe biden making a speech, so boring. it will be overfor them, not to mention the fact that our country will do poorly with him. it will be one big crash, but at least china will be happy.
i will remind you, while the president tweets at usual times, the president is between dayton, ohio, and el paso, texas, right now, the site of two mass murders where he's out there to comfort the victims in the cities and he's tweeting about joe biden's political speech. with me now is msnbc news correspondent who's traveling with joe biden. obviously when this event was planned, mike, this wasn't necessarily the topic that joe biden had in mind. but he launched his campaign with a video that shows images from charlottesville and this is -- this is the point that joe biden made when he launched his campaign that donald trump is dangerous to the moral fiber of america. >> that's right, ali. we remember this morning when donald trump was asked what we expected to hear from joe biden.
president trump has said that joe biden has lost his -- the biden campaign has always felt that his candidacy, that he himself is his strongest when the election stakes are the clearest. what we see in this political moment in this country, with the president himself traveling to communities affected by gun violence and violence that was -- in many -- in many ways viewed as inflamed by his own rhetoric, was a chance to reframe and reground his candidacy back in that core message. what was also interesting was the way that biden -- i don't know how many presidents he named. i would count at least a dozen different presidents, he was talking about the presidency not just as a political office, the most powerful political office in the land, but as an office that we have looked to throughout our history for moral leadership and biden's real argument was that trump has repeatedly failed that moral
leadership. he says that he actually is closer to george wallace than to george washington. we also heard from the vice president something we expect to hear more of which is a focus on the issue of gun violence. he referred to president trump in his inaugural address talking about american carnage coming to an end. biden saying that we've only seen the carnage continued to be fuelled and biden talking about his role in passing the assault weapons ban in 1994 and saying he can do that for us again. >> president trump as i mentioned on his way from dayton, ohio, to el paso, texas, right now. he's going to land sometime this hour and he'll be greeted by a large crowd of protestors. that's where our msnbc correspondent is right now. what are protestors telling you about what they're out there for. what have they come to protest against? >> all you got to do is look at the signs and forgive me for talking quietly. we're in the middle of a
benediction right now. these aren't my words, it's the words plastered on a giant sign where it says el paso strong. donald trump is not welcome here. that's what this rally says. if you look at the rest of the signs, trump, hatred, racism, not welcome here. and let's take a listen right now -- we're going to listen in here to some of this programming, ali, and then we're come back. let's take a quick listen. >> if we could have kristy with women's march come forward -- they just finished reading the names of the 22 victims here and i think that's what we have to continue to remind people about. there's a tendency to split into political he-said-she-said this morning. the majority of the people i've spoken with here as my time
covering the aftermath of this horrific, horrific terrorist attack is that the president simply doesn't understand what life is like here in one of the safest cities in the united states of america. the perspective traitor drove hundreds of miles to come here and he doesn't represent what the people of this city stand for at all. and that's a ren additi rendition of amazing grace, we're going to hear some speakers. he had invited her to join him as he visited el paso today and she said without talking about the racism, without talking about the rhetoric, she refused to do so, and that's where we are today. this program is just getting under way and we're going to continue to follow it closely for you. >> thank you, jacob. let's be clear now, we're talking a lot about the politics, the issues of gun control and race in america, but let's not draw attention away
from the 31 people killed in this violence. 22 victims in el paso, texas. nine victims in dayton, ohio, and this coming a week after a massacre in gilroy, california. then there's the survivors, the friends and families, their lives have changed forever. one of those family members joins me now. andrew james torres, who of his family members were killed in the checkout line in the walmart. thank you for joining us. i can't imagine the pain you continue to feel. this is just a few days old. tell me what's going through your mind right now. >> i'm standing here on the second day of coming to this site. i was here at the memorial yesterday with my brother and his girlfriend and we mourned and cried over mary bell's cross and the beautiful things that
have been left for her and her husband leo here and my beautiful, beautiful border line community. i was on msnbc recently stating that this is not about guns, this is not about mental health. this, of course, involves these issues, but it really is about the rhetoric that is coming out of the gop, out of our president. i stand with veronica's decision, my congresswoman who i stand with, not because i'm a staunch democrat, but because i'm a human being from this community. i can see that this -- this beautiful woman feels the pain of our community. beto o'rourke as well. his name does not matter. his feelings matter. how he experiences this community alongside the people of this community matters. to me, i see these people as true leaders with real morals, values. meanwhile as i just watched on this program, the president is tweeting about, you know, all of these various different things
that have nothing to do with our pain, that have nothing to do with what our community is going through. looking at this walmart that's right behind me, knowing that my father is returning to work, today, in this mall, he's returning to work right over there, i bleplead with the coun to look at this as our terrorist attack, this is our 9/11. this is something that for us we see as something that needs to end, something that this site, this will never be the same. people in the city don't want to go with their kids anywhere. there's people that are afraid. yes, there are the people who say we can't be afraid, we need to keep going, to be strong. but as a person who lost family in this incident, i don't want to go to this walmart. this is my community. i go to that walmart every single week. i live within a mile radius. my father works at the mall, was evacuated. please, the rest of the country,
understand where we're coming from. please, do not think that our politicians are just trying to politicize these people's deaths. my family has given me the permission to be on air today. my family has told me and given me affirmation after affirmation that they are proud of what i am saying and i will stand by it. >> your grandfather who i believe is in his 90s, you spoke to -- >> he's 94. >> what's his response? >> his response is that he doesn't want me to insult the president of the united states. he was born an american citizen here in texas right outside of el paso. my family has been here in this country for centuries, and i personally just look at this as just something that, once again, we can all agree, i didn't matter if those people were american citizens or not, they weren't brown, they weren't mexico. i didn't matter to that gunman. it doesn't matter to these
people, the people that continue this rhetoric about immigration being the nation's largest problem when we have this violence, when we have this rhetoric. we have these white nationalists being the latest terrorist threat to this country and yet he tries -- our president tries to bring it back to immigration. he tries to bring it to reform. we don't want immigration reform right now. we want his condolences, his support and to do what our congresswoman said, give us an apology. >> one of the things you've menti mentioned is that your family has not spoken out about this in the past and you mention that had a lot of people in the hispanic community have not talked about it while feeling under attack for the last 2 1/2 years. >> absolutely. we as a community -- i myself, i will speak for myself and i will say that i am half white. i am half mexican and i can see
the white nationalists problem. i can understand this issue and i don't feel afraid of being able to speak on behalf of this issue. i feel that we have been -- we have been trying to spare the white population, the european-american politician from their feelings. we've been trying to spare them from the reality that we are hurt. we are constantly offended. we are constantly being pushed and pulled and we are constantly being prodded in this way that makes us want to provoke ourselves. it makes us want to speak out. but, guess what, most of my community will not. most of my community will not speak out because it is fearful and i, once again, i sit on my privilege. i sit on my english capabilities. i sit on all of these reasons as to why i can even be confident enough to speak in front of the media this way. >> andrew, we are -- we're with you in memorializing those
members of your family and your community who have suffered for this and i think a point that you make very well is that you're from that neighborhood. your father works at that mall. life will not be the same even for those of you in the community in dayton and in el paso and in gilroy and all of these places that have witnessed these things. thank you for speaking out so strongly. andrew james torres. who of his family members were killed in the shooting in el paso. the city prepares for the president and first lady's arrival any moment now. the el paso times editor writes, while we are sorry to have seen such violence and felt such pain, one other thing must be said, today is a very good day to visit el paso. i want to bring in el paso county commissioner. thank you for being with us. talk to me about what you -- what you're expecting from the
president, what you would like to hear from the president. >> reporter: i wish the president would come to el paso and have a dramatic shift in tone from the words he's used in the past. he has used very divisive and very violent language in describing immigrants. he describes immigrants as a threat to the american way of life. he says that immigrants are an infestation, that they are an invasion. and my hope is that the president, if she's insincere in coming here to make a difference, that he will come here and personally condemn the use of violence against racial minorities, particularly by radicalized individuals here in the united states. i saw the president's speech a few days ago where he was using his teleprompter, when he called on the nation that we need to condemn this type of violence, but i have yet to see the president himself say i condemn this violence.
this is not what america is about and we cannot continue to use this violence against racial minorities in the united states. >> the president focused in on el paso in a way that el paso has not been in the spotlight for some time. your mayor criticized that and many of you from el paso came out to explain to the country, for the people who have not had the privilege of going to el paso, what an interesting microcosm it is. there's a remarkable amount of exchange between people on both sides. it's not a trade relationship, it's a whole thing. but el paso has become something of a ground zero for the administration's anti-immigrant policy. they point to el paso as the danger of what america is going to become. you and your mayor and other people of different political parties point to el paso as the future of what america may become.
>> that's correct. el paso is 82% hispanics. we are -- we have the largest percentage of hispanics of any city in the united states. when you think of cities that have large hispanic populations, el paso has a much higher percentage than those large cities. but you are correct, el paso -- since the -- the term of this administration has been used as a ground zero for some of the ugliest policies by this administration. the child separation policy began here. the tent city was here in el paso county. recently last week, steve bannon was here in el paso koin where they were raising funds for the privately funded border wall. some of the ugliest policies have originated here in el paso, and i feel like the president has used el paso as a prop. and, again, my concern is, when you have a community that's 82% hispanic and you continue to use
such divisive language against a particular racial minority, i think it creates an environment where you're going to have violent situations such as the ones we saw this weekend. >> portraying el paso as a failure is just not true. it's not an unsafe place, n notwithstanding that you have been the center of a mass murder, it's not an unsafe place, and it is not a place where interaction where people of two countries and people of different races has failed. everybody in el paso, regardless of whether they're republican or democrat, tell me the same thing, el paso works. >> el paso is a very special place. we're at the intersection of three states, two nations here on the international border. we're home to fort bliss which is the second largest military installation in the country. even though el paso is over 80% hispanic, el paso has been
welcoming to people from all over the country. it has the premier training facilities in the united states. el paso has always been very welcoming to all individuals of all backgrounds and continues to be one of the safest cities in the united states. on average, there are fewer than 18 homicides a year in this community. this one tragedy alone, we've now seen 22 homicides which is more than double what we see in a year and which is -- for having 18 homicides a year for a community of our size is not usual for a city of this size in the united states. >> commissioner perez, thank you for joining us, again, this week. i know you've spent a lot of time trying to explain to this country what el paso is. we haven't heard much from the president on camera since his departure from the white house. there was no press access at the
hospital in, ohio. but his press secretary have been tweeting the first couple's activities. they spent almost two hours with shooting survivors and medical staff at the hospital in dayton. the press secretary said they've been stopping between the rooms to stop the staff and saying you had god watching. i want you to know we're with you all the way. after his visit, the democratic senator from ohio spoke to reporters about their conversation with the president. >> both the mayor and i asked the president to call on senator mcconnell to bring the senate back in session this week, to tell the senate that he wants the background checks bill that has already passed the house. i asked the president to promise to me and the american people that he will sign that bill after he has spoken out.
he only said that we will get things done. >> we're looking for those people in congress to come together because the majority of americans agree, so this should be an action. do i think that we're going to see another mass shooting tomorrow or friday? probably. because washington will not move. >> we will bring you any news we get from the president's arrival in el paso once we get it. protestors in ohio are telling the state's governor to do something after the mass shooting in dayton. coming up, the actions the walmart employee has taken against him and walmart's response next. d walmart's response next. ed. this is me now! any physical changes to this man's appearance are purely coincidental. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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president trump says that violent extremism online is one of the issues that needs to be addressed in the wake of the shootings in el paso and dayton. >> we must recognize that the internet has provided a dangerous avenue to radicalized disturbed minds and perform demented acts. we must shine light on the dark recesses on the internet and stop mass murders before they start. the pearls rils of social media not be ignored. >> internet and technology
companies have been invited to the white house on friday for a discussion with senior administration officials. nbc news technology reporter jake ward is on this now. you've been trying to figure out whether this is a real thing because the last few times the white house has gathered internet companies, it has seemed like something else, it's become politicized. this is a really serious issue and there are a lot of americans that there might be leadership coming from the white house. what are you sensing from your conversations? >> i've been talking all day to various academics, colleagues of mine from a fellowship that i did and asking what -- what do you think this meeting should look like. what are your instincts about this meeting? and they say, you can't engage with this white house. once upon a time you would show up at the white house and everybody would bring the best and brightest. but because as we've seen over and over again, it devolves into a political point-scoring fest.
you can't really get real -- you know, real learnings out of this. this hour "politico" is reporting that the president is issuing executive order on censership on conservative politics -- >> which is a different road that he goes down when talking about the dangers on the internet. >> you just have to assume that's where this is going to go. >> what would a successful meeting look like? >> my theory about it, this is the missing link, you should not really be bringing companies together with the white house because everyone's incentives are all wrong in that case. in theory, both of those parties have, you know -- they just have the wrong incentives in mind. scoring political points on the part of the administration and protecting their reputation on the parts of the companies. there should be some avenue in which respected academics come in and learn from those companies, from their data, as
much as they can. those companies -- >> they got all the data in the world. >> they are our collective unconscious. you could study all kinds of things if that were a free and open way of doing it with researchers. but they can't. for me, it's the fact that there's not a neutral third party. whether it's the epa or any of these other cases, you know, there's a real war on expertise. there doesn't seem to be a neutral expertise involved in these meetings anymore. >> jacob, thank you as always. a walmart employee says he's facing backlash from the company after organizing a protest against the retailer's stance on gun sales. he called on his fellow employees to walk out of work today and sign a petition urging the company to stop selling firearms and ammunition after two recent shootings. there was a shooting at el paso
last weekend and two people were shot and killed at a walmart in mississippi. there are many more constructive avenues for employees to offer feedback. joining me now is to some marshal. tell me what happened, what did you do that caught the attention of the company? >> i just want to say thank you so much for happening and thank you for continuing to speak the spotlight on this important issue. what happened was, on monday, the events of the weekend really hit home for a lot of us at the office and we felt like we had to do something, especially after the response of corporate both internally and externally was little more than offering thoughts and prayers and we believe that we needed to take a stand. and i felt personally if i didn't, i would be complicit in selling firearms. i would be continuing to work for a company that made money off of being a merchant of death. >> did they tell you to stop or -- it sounds like they cut
off your ability to communicate. have you been disciplined or fired? >> on monday before the story broke in the press, there was little backlash from the company itself. however, when tuesday came around, the day of our planned strike, the media had really, you know, very thankfully taken an interest in the story and it just spread very, very quickly and it was at that point about midway through the day when i returned to the office for lunch to meet with some colleagues to organize the walkout that we've planned for today at 3:00 p.m., when i check you had my community i found that i wasn't able to access slack. both her and i we saw that we didn't have access to slack, which is our company messenger which is where -- >> is there any chance that's
coincidental. >> and parts of our commuters -- we lost access completely. and i called members of the press that i has been in contact with, and both my manager and her manager walked down to meet us in the cafeteria, took us to separate rooms to meet with an hr representative and explained to us what was going on. their rational was because we had called out sick today for our protest, we didn't need access to our company computers because we wouldn't need to do work for that day. >> they did not tell you that they cut off access to communications as a result of your organizing actions. >> they never mentioned that specifically. they said it was because of that reason and admissionly they did reprimand me for the fact that i both had sent out that email and
kate also sent out another mass email on tuesday calling for a strike, calling for employees to sign our petition which now has over 30,000 signatures the last time i checked -- >> those are walmart employees? >> it's actually a public currently. >> okay. >> but we -- the -- we only circulated it initially through walmart employees. we have no way of knowing where that's coming from. based on the amount of private message that is all of us in the organization, you know -- organizing these events have gotten from either co-workers by word of mouth, by -- over slack and email when i had access to that, there's a lot of support. but a majority of employees are very, very worried that they will face similar retaliation. and we're very -- we're still trying to get the word out. we're still trying to make this as, you know -- make sure everyone knows this is as important of an issue as -- >> are you worried you're going to get fired?
>> i have -- you know, i have faith in my first amendment rights and i have faith in the protections that i have for being able to, you know, speak on these issues. however, you know, if that is the case, if i do end up getting fief fired for this, that's a risk i'm able to take. >> please stay in touch with us. >> thank you so much. coming up, the state's republican governor is calling for much stricter gun laws but will his idea pass through the legislature. you are watching msnbc. msnbc if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture now might not be the best time to ask yourself are my bones strong? life is full of make or break moments. that's why it's so important to help reduce your risk of fracture
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president trump heads to texas this afternoon after spending the morning in dayton, ohio, where local officials pressured him to take action in response to saturday's shooting that killed nine people. we look to what's being done on the state level where the governor has released 17 new proposals intended to reduce gun violence. some of those include the introduction of a saift protection order, a red flag law. it would allow a judge to order the temporary removal of weapons from people who are deemed to be a threat to themselves and
others. the governor called on the state house to pass a law requiring background checks and increased state penalties for those who violate existing gun laws as well as more access to mental health care. the ohio governor mike dewine joins me now. and i'm sorry for what you and people from your state have had to go through. it's a national issue, but it's very close to home for you. so i want to express our sorrow about that. when you were in the united states senate, you teamed up with a number of democrats who cosponsored the assault weapons ban reauthorization in 2005. the president said today that is something that doesn't have much political support. talk to me about that, in terms of where you stand on it and what you think about that perspective. >> i think issues like that are national issues. unless you deal with them
nationally, they probably -- you know, what a state does is not going to matter a whole lot. what i tried to do yesterday is to really focus on things we could do in ohio. we can close the gap in regard to background checks, most people who sell guns in ohio, there's a background check. we can close the gap so that does not and it. what's something else very important is that we're providing a lot more money in the budget that was just passed by the legislature for our schools to help kids with mental health problems. we've got some huge mental health problems among our youth today. in addition to that, you know, most people know somebody in a community who has got a long-term problem, maybe a mental health problem, maybe they're an alcoholic and they have a large number of guns. what we don't want to do is wait until the explosion takes place and the person kills themselves or someone else and so what we
have presented to the general assembly is a very well thought out, we got a lot of people to help us on it, process where a person, if that is going on through due process, we can go into court and take those guns away from that individual so they don't hurt themselves and they don't have a tragedy where they kill someone else. these are some very tangible things that we can do. much as we continue to mourn for the people who died in dayton, we also have people every week in ohio and across the country who are dying at the hands of people who are repeat violent offenders. and we got to target them and get them off of our streets and segregated from the rest of us. >> in the states that have done things like those red flag laws and enhanced background checks, they tend to be very well thought out. there are things -- they involve democrats, republicans, avid
second attempt stalwarts. and they tend to have found some space that is useful. how is that going to work in ohio? do you have some sense, particularly, because there is often resistance to these things from republicans, do you think you're going to be able to manage that? >> we want something we can get passed, we want something that can be effective and constitution. we've had some of our second amendment friends who have helped us on this, others who have helped us on it. it will be up to the legislature on what they do. but we have a great starting point that preserves people's rights but also can deal with these terrible, terrible situations where, you know, something goes off and triggers the guy and it's usually a guy and triggers him and he goes out and kills somebody or he's involved in a shootout with the police and he loses his life or
a police officer does. so we also think it's important and one of the things i've told my team, after we get passed, we got to let people know it exists out there. you don't want somebody to get mad at their neighbor and call up the police and get their guns away from them. that's not what we're talking about. we have a situation where if there's a problem with somebody, you can go to the police or family member, many times, my experience it's a family member who knows what's going on, they can go into court and there can be a hearing within three days and the judge, based upon that evidence presented, can make a determination. >> there's no skirting due process in this. for those who have expressed concern that this does away with due process, there's nothing about your proposal that would not involve authorities or a judge. >> no, no, no. you would have to go to court. it has to be due process. you have to be able to serve the
individual. you have to give them notice -- give them the opportunity to come into court, give them an opportunity to have a lawyer. so due process is built into this all the way through and i think it will make a big, big difference. >> not a lot of people in this country have been a united states senator and a governor. this is a national conversation as much as many states like yours are doing things on a state level that will be very, very influential. at this moment, there's an important conversation going on at a federal level. you have influence and friends at a federal level and within the republican party. what's the thing you think they should do now or they can do to be most helpful? >> well e i think focus on what the lessons that have been learned. what i've been telling the people of ohio is that every one of these situations is different but each one seems to be the same in many, many respects. look, the -- we have a huge mental health problem and that does not mean that anyone who has a mental health problem is
dangerous. my friends in the mental health community will point out very correctly that 93% of the people who have even a serious mental health problem are not dangerous at all. but we are talking about the small number of who are. what we've seen is they've given a lot of warnings out there. one of the things we're working on in ohio is to focus on what do you do if you see someone -- let's say someone who's in high school who is writing things such as someone must die, someone must kill, or in the case of this man who committed the -- all the murders here in dayton, he had a kill list, basically, when he was in high school. as the news media interviewed some of his fellow students, they said, we all knew there was something wrong. we got to get help to these individuals earlier. we've got to identify them and do whatever it takes to make sure that they are not dangerous
and they cannot harm other people. >> governor, good to talk to you. we'll follow the process of this legislation with you. governor mike dewine of ohio. and i just want to remember the victims of the shooting in dayton. these are people who lost their lives. they were just out on the town on saturday night and they lost their lives. just hours before donald trump's visit to el paso, u.s. immigration officials say they have made 680 arrests in mississippi. it happened during raids at seven food processing plants. the largest workplace sting operation in more than a decade and probably the largest ever for a single state. nbc news has confirmed that the operation was targeting both corporations and largely latino employees. still ahead, china has a secret weapon and it's escalating trade war with the united states. it may affect the prices you pay for items the next time you go shopping. you are watching msnbc. . but, u. what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection.
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and china is causing more anxiety on wall street and other global markets. let's take a quick look at the big board. we yesterday. let's check the other major indices. similar situation on all of them. we minimized the losses on s&p 500 and nasdaq we're actually in positive territory. let's talk about what has the market so spooked the last few days. on monday treasury secretary steve mnuchin formally accused china's central bank for letting the exchange rate its currency has fall below 7-1. for a long time the u.n. had been pegged to the u.s. dollar 7-1. now it's gone below that. you can get more than seven yu an for each dollar. why has that happened? simply, it makes china's product cheaper on the international market and could give them what the united states calls an unfair advantage on international trade. the question is why do you care about this? let's say you're at the store looking to buy an air
conditioner. the one made in the united states is $250. the one made in china is $200 because labor costs are cheaper in china than they are in the united states. then we have these tariffs imposed on china so the price of the u.s. air conditioner is still $250 and the price of the one in china goes up to $250 so you might be more inclined to buy the american air conditioner. then china manipulates its currency to work around the tariffs making them worth less and the product is less expensive to an american buyer going back to maybe $200 giving the chinese an advantage over the american-made air conditioner. china is rejecting the u.s. accusations of tampering with the currency. they are not saying they didn't change the value of the yuan, which their central bank can do every night at 9:00 p.m. eastern. that's how it works in china.
they are saying this is in retaliation after president trump promised toism pose 10 percent on tariffs of $300 billion not affected by the trade war on september 1, including smartphones, clothing, toys, other consumer products. expect that to cost more. joining us is linda yu, economist and author of the book "what would the great economists do?" thank you for being with us. the question i have about china, this secret weapon china has, they can manipulate their currency in a way america cannot do for a lot of reasons we don't have to get into here. is this what china is saying we have to make america come to the table and make a deal? or is this china saying we have a trick you don't have. we can withstand this and escalate? >> i think it's tit for tat and
overall escalation. of course china as you said, and that was a really good illustration, they peg their currency to a certain basket of currency. they control the value of the currency. the dollar is a free-floating currency so that is not a tool available. the timing of them changing the value of the currency, but that is the control of the central banks, looks like it means it's in retaliation of president trump prosing 10% taxes on all of the remaining chinese imports going into the united states. the reason i think this is an escalation is the expectation after the last round of trade talks is that the u.s. and china were actually coming closer to a deal but then with the imposition of new tariffs, and the chinese currency weakening and then, of course, the latest salvo being fired across the bows is china is now not buying u.s. agriculture products. >> this is a big deal. >> certainly looks like a tit for tat. >> the united states cannot find markets easily for all of the
soybeans that we were sending to china or various other things that china buys as raw material and processes. we just don't have the infrastructure or other markets to sell that into. so that is one that's going to affect this trade war. >> yes, very much so. i think this latest shot is actually going to have a direct impact, especially on sfarmers. so china accounts for 60% of the soybean market. if you look at the impact on farmers, it's about half of what was so last year to china agriculture goods, that's how much it's dropped over the course of one year because of this trade war. the white house is now earmarking $28 billion to support farmers who can't sell their products but i don't expect this will be the last, it's just the latest tit for tat. >> linda, good to talk to you as always. linda yu, author of "what would the great economists do?"
president trump is going to land in el paso any minute. joining me now is an op-ed author "hispanics in america are under attack." anna marie, good to see you. this is an issue that's come to the front. most people, certainly miss spannics in america, would understand since donald trump came down that escalator at trump tower more than three years ago he opened his campaign with an attack on hispanics but now it's become something more serious than the rantings of the guy who wants the nomination of the republican party. >> yes, president trump has from day one made anti-immigrant rhetoric specifically targeting spanish community. on day one he said hispanics and rapists and criminals and i will round them up and deport them and create an environment of fear in this country. he's done that targeting latino
communities. as we know today one of the largest raids happened, 600 people got rounded up. but he's also targeted muslim communities, and during his presidency we've seen attacked against muslim communities, jewish communities, black and brown people across the country. he's fanning the flames of hate, while also fanning the flames of violence. in thinhis rallies, we see what happens from the moment of the campaign to the moment he's holding in the rally now where he allowed the crowd to get frenzied up and say send her back home. >> or we should shoot them. >> exactly. >> here's the question, we often have seen people in communities devastated by something and not want federal officials to come in because it takes resources away but the protests are different. people saying dope come here, you' -- don't come here, you're the problem. will those affect the president
or he won't be exposed to it all that much and it won't make a difference? >> i think president trump does not know how to live in this country with people of color, people who are not the centerpiece of his political strategy to remain in power. so i place no hope for people to listen to his words, the people of ohio saying don't come here, you're fanning the flames of hate, you're inciting people to commit acts of violence in our communities. what i do believe is people in this country believe we have a problem with white nationalists ideology and this is an opportunity for incredible solidarity. i believe that people in this country have reacted to the violence coming from the white house in really beautiful ways. when people saw children in cages and families separated at the border, thousands and thousands of people marched. when people saw children in florida in a school getting shot up by a classmate, thousands of
people, millions of people showed up, so i believe in the power of people to show up for each other, to take care of each other, and to really see what the problem that we have as a nation is. this is the symptom of a problem that's been the underbelly of this country for a long time, which is a deep belief in a hierarchy of human life where white people, white men are at the center and the rest of us fall down the slope of that hierarchy and we cannot be the country that we want to be if we don't addresses the reality of race in this country and imagine the possibility of all of the people being at the center of having a multi racial democracy that expresses the best of who we are. president trump i don't think is a person that will get us there. >> we will end on remembering those people who lost their lives in dayton and el paso so that perhaps the response that americans have had to these things in the past will come true. these are the people who lost
their lives in the story that we are talking about. anna maria, the co-director for the centers of democracy. "deadline: white house" begins right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. donald trump is on his way to el paso, texas, where deep divisions away him. we will take you there momentarily. but we start with the case against donald trump delivered in a forceful speech this afternoon by democratic front-runner, former vice president joe biden. the president's attention is also on joe biden this afternoon. the president lashing out against biden on twitter during the speech from aboard air force one between visits to two grieving communities. the vice president today