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is mostly still around, though he is not. that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning. i'm jo ling kent in new york at msnbc world headquarters. >> and i'm kendis gibson, 6:00 on the east coast, 3:00 a.m. out west. we have more on the el paso killings a week later as the community gears up for a protest march. details ahead. gun battle. the president, nra and congress. will the two mass shootings lead to new regulations or will the moment pass again? and fund-raiser. the president met by protesters as he collects millions in campaign cash. details on what sparked the controversy. democrats descending on iowa. the annual wing ding dinner bringing out the 2020 candidates as they battle it out to make it to the next debate stage.
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but new this morning, a week after the deadliest mass shooting of 2019, activists will lead a march in el paso today. their demand, gun regulations now, and their main focus and criticism, the president's rhetoric. they say it's not helping. also new, authorities reveal the suspect in the el paso shooting confessed to targeting mexicans using an ak-47 assault rifle. and in a separate case, reflecting the ongoing threat of gun violence, the fbi announced the arrest of a 23-year-old man who was planning to attack synagogues and a gay bar. they say he had legal firearms and bomb-making materials and was promoting white supremacist ideology. in the meantime today, president trump begins what is described as a working vacation in northern new jersey. prior to the vacation, the president held a hamptons fund-raiser. he was met by protesters along the way. the event was hosted by the billionaire owner of soul cycle and equinox amid calls to
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boycott those businesses. when leaving the white house, the president signaled that he's now focused on expanding background checks, even though he has backed off that in the past. >> i think we could get something really good done. i think we can have some really meaningful background checks. we don't want people that are mentally ill, people that are sick, we don't want them having guns. who does? >> the president also insisted the president of the national rifle association and the senate majority leader are ready to work with him, but a spokesperson for senator mitch mcconnell tells nbc news he has not endorsed any specific gun legislation. nbc's mike viqueira is following the president in berkeley heights, new jersey. and mike, the president says he has tremendous support that lawmakers can reach a deal on the background checks. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, kendis, this is a situation where you have to believe it when you see it,
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because it's not the first time that the president has said he will back background checks and other gun control measures only to back off later under pressure from the nra and republicans in congress. yes, the president says he's spoken with mitch mcconnell, and incidentally, nancy pelosi. gun control has already passed the house of representatives this year. but he says mcconnell is on board. that may be an overstatement of the facts. you've already said that a spokesperson for mcconnell said he hasn't committed to anything at all, and the history of this is that when all of the outrage, all of the horror in the aftermath of what happened in el paso and dayton dies down, or in parkland at the school in southern florida, or any other mass shootings, the need, the urgency, the push towards gun control goes away. as for the nra, you'll remember after parkland it was a visit from top nra officials to the white house after the president had expressed support for those measures, shortly after that,
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the president backed away. now, there is the question of the motivation, that what some people consider the president's incendiary rhetoric motivating some of these people, in particular in el paso last weekend to commit these horrific acts. democrats lining up on the presidential campaign trail to call the president a white supremacist. yesterday the president was asked to react. >> i don't think it helps. first of all, i don't like it when they do it, because i am not any of those things. i think it's a disgrace. and i think it shows how desperate the democrats are. they call anybody a racist when they run out of cards. i'm winning in the polls. they're desperate. they've got lousy candidates. they've got bad candidates. >> reporter: and kendis and jo, you mentioned that the president here in northern new jersey at his bedminster golf club for a nine-day, so-called working vacation. he began it yesterday in the hamptons in long island.
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that toney, affluent enclave raising $20 million for his 2020 campaign. jo, kendis? >> mike viqueira, thank you. let's discuss this with sonia scheff with business insider and jonathan allen, msnbc news national political report. good morning. >> good morning. >> a week after the shootings, is there any indication there is going to be real momentum for gun legislation? we've seen the president flip and flop over and over again over what, the last six years? >> yeah, absolutely. and this is a cycle that's repeated itself so many times. we see this time and again with every mass shooting that royals the nation. i would add that this president in particular compared to other republican presidents and certainly republican legislators has shown a willingness to take action when it comes to gun control, but like we've seen, you know, as soon as the nra steps in, like they did this week by calling him and kind of telling him that, you know, supporting this background check legislation isn't going to play well with your base -- when the
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president hears that, he certainly has backed off, and i wouldn't be surprised if he does that again. >> jonathan, pick up on that. okay, so, talking in reference to congress itself, can they at the very least pass expanded background checks? >> can they? sure. >> will they? >> will they? i'm not sure that they will, kendis. what we've seen over the course of time, even in the last ten years, you've seen gabby giffords, the congresswoman from arizona, shot in the head. you saw steve scalise, congressman from louisiana, crawling for his life across a baseball field during a mass shooting and members of congress did not really change the gun laws in this country. when they themselves were targeted, they didn't change the gun laws. i am not sure that their constituents being targeted would make them any more open to major changes. what you might see is something
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minor. you might see something along the lines of expanded background checks at some point, but probably not at this point. some of the republicans are talking about red flag laws, but a lot of this is distraction. a lot of what happens is you get a bunch of different ideas thrown out there and part of the plan there is to make sure that there is no coalescing around one idea. >> well, the senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell, is resisting calls to bring the senate back from recess to vote on these two gun bills passed by the house. and here's mcconnell explaining why. >> background checks and red flags will probably lead the discussion, but a lot of other things will come up as well. but what we can't do is fail to pass something, you know, by just locking up and failing to pass. that's unacceptable. it's always hard at the federal level because we have to synthesize views from a whole lot of different points of view, not just the two political parties, but the different parts
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of the country. you know, totally different views on an issue like this. >> all right, so we're talking about basically two different positions from mcconnell here. do you think he's actually signaling an opening here for gun legislation? it doesn't seem so. >> yeah, that would be very, very unlikely, especially coming from somebody like mitch mcconnell, who has described himself as the grim reaper of the senate, especially when it comes to passing bills that have been approved in the house of representatives. so, i don't think it's likely that he would actually be open to supporting gun legislation. what i think is more likely is that we'll see senator mcconnell come back and say that we should leave it up to the states. >> in the meantime, let's talk about the nra itself, because you have "the new york times," which is reporting that privately, at least, president trump recently told advisers that he believes the nra is going bankrupt, this after, of course, the internal upheaval at the organization. and he thinks that they won't have the financial means to harm
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him during the re-election campaign. so, all of that said, jonathan, what does that say about the whole direct influence that the nra might have on the president as he supports new gun control measures, if he supports it? >> well, certainly perception matters a lot. and if the president's perception is there's more harm to him from doing nothing than there is from doing something, then he will try to do something. again, that term "something," mitch mcconnell said they've got to do something, it would be unacceptable not to do something. it's not apparent that mitch mcconnell is particularly tied to doing anything specific. but i think with regard to the nra, the important thing to remember is that the nra has members. and if it's not the nra contacting those members and getting those members activated, then it perhaps would be another pro gun group, another progre g owners group that might step into that void.
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certainly, the nra is a powerful organization in terms of mobilizing voters, and certainly, it's at a point where its leadership is weaker right now, and that might affect this debate. and the president thinks so. but it remains to be seen. >> you guys have both been reporting on the president's visit to el paso this week and there is new reporting from "the new york times" that says "by the time president trump arrives in el paso on wednesday, he was frustrated that his attacks on his political adversaries had resulted in more coverage thereafter the cheery reception he received at the hospital in dayton, ohio." he allegedly, reportedly screamed at his aides to begin producing proof that in el paso people were happy to see him. so, sonam, is there any sense here that the white house may have regretted making that trip to el paso, given the reception? >> i don't know if they regretted making the trip as much as they might have regretted letting him have his cell phone on the way to el paso, because the reason that his attacks on his political adversaries overshadowed the
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dayton visit, certainly, and a little bit the el paso visit, was because it is absurd for the president of the united states to be tweeting attacks at his opponents while he's visiting with victims of two mass shootings, one of which was perpetrated by a gunman who was inspired by the president's own anti-immigrant rhetoric. and so, you know, certainly, while his aides may have regretted that el paso visit, it's hard to imagine that they would have been surprised by it, considering that the gunman in that city posted this racist manifesto online targeting hispanics, targeting immigrants and mexicans because of the president's own incendiary words. >> jonathan, what is the worst part of that trip to you, the photo op, the tone-deaf tweets, what? >> well, i think the president set out to show the country and to show the people of dayton and the people of el paso that he was experiencing grief and that
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he could demonstrate consolation and soothing in a time of national mourning, and what he did was he showed that he had grief for himself coming out of dayton and that he could soothe himself by getting into a twitter war with sherrod brown, the senator from ohio, and again after el paso. i think this was a moment were it should have been very easy for the president of the united states to emerge -- again, another opportunity for him to emerge from a day having been seen as presidential. i think that the white house set it up that way. it was going to be some pretty easy photo ops, and he decided to spend it, essentially, in a rage and on the attack because he felt like he wasn't treated well, that he was the victim. of course, having visited with victims, he somehow came out with the impression that he was the one suffering. >> well, we also know the president faced protesters and pushback near that hamptons fund-raiser last night. the chair of the rnc wrote that
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the president raised $12 million. that's $2 million more than expected. so sonam, is the backlash against his donors having any impact? we're talking about that controversy with equinox and soul cycle. >> certainly, and i think it kind of highlights the decreasing distance between politics and a lot of these companies, because what we see in many of these cases, like we have with equinox and soul cycle, is that when people find out that companies, or you know, news networks or other brands that they contribute money to support a political cause that they don't like -- a lot of the time what they do is push back on that by boycotting, certainly by -- you know, we've seen this in cases like on fox news when a lot of their anchors have actually lost advertisers because of something that they said and people, you know, threaten to boycott a lot of those advertisers, causing them to pull fund-raising. >> voting with your wallet, right? i think that's what we call it. sonam and jonathan, thank you for your insight. >> thank you.
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crackdown after children found themselves separated from their parents. nbc's gabe gutierrez has more. >> reporter: a community living in fear. 18-year-old stephanie, who asked us not to use her last name, says she was at school when she heard her father was detained. >> he told me that i don't have to worry about anything if my family's okay, but right now my family's not okay. are you doing something for this? >> reporter: she says her younger sister, 3 years old, was with him when he was taken into custody. tony magee, the local school superintendent, says counselors are now on hand. >> it's been tough. it's been emotionally draining on our students and our families and been emotionally draining on our staff, too. >> reporter: president trump defended the mississippi raids, which detained about 680 undocumented immigrants. >> it serves as a very good deterrent. if people come into our country illegally, they're going out. >> reporter: i.c.e. officials tell nbc news they did release some of the parents of young children quickly and notified schools once the raids were under way.
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they also gave everyone detained a phone call, an opportunity, they say, for parents to get child care. however, i.c.e. did not warn the schools in advance and did not notify child protective services at all because officials say they did not want to tip anyone off to the operation. they also say they could not guarantee that every child went home with a guardian. one i.c.e. official telling nbc news, "we are a law enforcement agency, not a social services agency." two companies involved in the sweep say they are cooperating with law enforcement and used the government's e-verify program to screen new hires. none of the companies has been criminally charged. brenda, who also asked us to use only her first name, says she's been in this country for 13 years. her husband is now in custody. "i'm desperate," she says, "he's the father of my kids. he supported me in everything. i don't know what i'm going to do without him." >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so
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much. all right, let's bring in danny cevallos, msnbc legal analyst. thank you for being here so early on a saturday. what's the status right now of the hundreds of people who were arrested at the six companies there in mississippi? >> it's difficult to get the hard statistics, but about 270 or so had been released, but still 300 or so remain in custody. it's hard to know what criteria authorities are using to detain or release parents or even nonparents at this point because the standards leave so much discretion up to federal authorities to make that determination. for example, whether the parent pos poses a threat to the child, what the significance of the criminal history is, these are things that have some gray area for authorities and result in some inconsistencies in who is detained and who is released. >> gabe gutierrez, our reporter on the ground there, says those detained were given one phone call. what kind of legal
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representation do they have here? >> we see it in the movies all the time -- let me get my one phone call -- and that can be helpful if you have a white shoe law firm on retainer that you can pick up the phone and call a lawyer's cell phone. but a single phone call is often in this case to a neighbor or another family member to, hey, go over, take care of the kids or let them in, make sure they're taken care of, and then, of course, what happens if nobody picks up the phone? sometimes people don't answer their phone, even if it's a cell phone. so, the one phone call is not as reassuring as it may sound. >> what about legal representation, though? >> for many of these people, they are not necessarily entitled to legal representation, depending on whether or not they're criminally charged or released. it really depends on whether people are charged or whether they're just being removed, what proceedings rg initiated. but generally speaking, most of these folks -- and i've been to the border to mccowan, texas. in the case of people being prosecuted en masse for illegal
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crossings, they're usually given one or two federal public defenders who have to handle a roomful, and i mean a roomful of hundreds, hundreds of defendants. >> and danny, do we have any idea who these folks are and their situation and how they may have gotten here, what they're doing exactly here working in these companies? >> at this stage, we don't know exactly. we can guess or make estimates based on past statistics. the companies say they use e-verify, so it's hard to say whether or not documents were falsified or how they were able to get employment at these plants and beat the system, that at least the company's system. so, at this stage, we don't really have enough information. it's a fair assumption that many of these folks may be from south america, but even that isn't necessarily a safe assumption because they could be from lots of different places. >> so, we also know that one plant owner is also advertising for a job fair set for this monday. do you think that any of these
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employers are going to be held accountable in this? >> that's another difficult assessment, because on the one hand, employers who don't know and make a reasonable effort to screen these employees may avoid liability, but on the other hand, one has to wonder, even using e-verify, how effective their screening techniques are if these are folks, if these end up being folks who have no documentation whatsoever. so, a raid like this really puts the focus on employers who may be benefiting from using people without proper documentation as employees. >> do you get a sense that these employers are possibly in some legal jeopardy as well? >> it's hard to say. they could be. and certainly, federal law allows for them to be held accountable. but key in any analysis is the intent. did they know? or even were they reckless about it? did they put their head in the sand and say, i hear no evil, i
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see no evil, but i am benefiting from what may be employees who are easier to employ in the sense that you may be able to pay them less, give them less benefits -- >> like some of the term companies have done. >> i suppose that's possible, kendis, yes. but yes, it will all turn on the degree of knowledge of these employers, what they knew and when they knew it. >> all right. always giving us good insight there, danny cevallos. thank you. battle over gun reform. the new questions over the nra's power over the weapons debate and what could spur the president to take action. ebate and what could spur the president to take action oh, come on. flo: don't worry. you're covered. (dramatic music) and you're saving money, because you bundled home and auto. sarah, get in the house. we're all here for you.
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happening right now, these are live pictures from hong kong. a tenth weekend of antigovernment protests there. what you're looking at is an illegal sit-in that began yesterday at hong kong's international airport and is expected to last through tomorrow. the protest has been generally peaceful, and there have been no reports of arrests. the state department actually gave a warning against traveling through hong kong and its airport because of this protest. we'll keep you posted on this. now to your morning headlines. breaking overnight, new concerns over north korea's firepower.
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military officials confirming two missiles were launched at dawn on saturday to the east sea by the kim jong-un regime. it's believed it was a test of new short-range missiles capabilities and show of force while the u.s. and south korea prepare to conduct joint military exercises. also new this morning, the armed man who sparked panic at a missouri walmart thursday is now being charged with making a terrorist threat. according to court documents, dmitriy andreychenko told police he wanted to know if walmart honored the second amendment. the 20-year-old walked into the store in a ballistic vest carrying an ar-style rifle. and andrew yang beats better-known rivals to be the ninth candidate to qualify for the september democratic debate. the entrepreneur's campaign says he made the cut with a 2% support in the monmouth university poll of likely iowa democratic caucusgoers. the democratic national committee has yet to make it official among the candidates expected at the third debate in houston next month, but we do
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see that it's joe biden, kamala harris, bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. okay, so, another week of debate around potential gun reform. president trump repeatedly floating universal background checks and what they're calling that red flag law. >> that's right. >> but so far, no evidence of any progress. what did happen, a call between the nra's top executive and president trump, who reportedly warned trump against background check legislation. >> and president trump now saying he thinks that they will get there while defending the nra as patriots. >> the nra has over the years taken a very, very tough stance on everything, and i understand it. you know, it's a slippery slope. they think you approve one thing and that leads to a lot of bad things. i don't agree with that. i think we can do meaningful, very meaningful background checks. >> well, joining us now is democratic strategist antoine seawright, former senior adviser
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to hillary clinton's campaign in south carolina, and ned ryun, ceo of american majority and a former speech writer for former president george w. bush. welcome to both of you. >> good to be with you. >> ned, "the new york times" has a brand-new article titled "past flip-flops cloud trump's position on background checks." is there a reason to think that this time is any different? >> well, i've got to tell you, the thing that's concerning to me -- again, i think a lot of us would be in complete agreement -- no one wants to see mentally ill people with guns. the problem that's being discussed here is universal background checks. listen, universal background checks by that definition means you've got to have a universal gun registry, which is a nonstarter for gun owners here in america. so, i think the thing that has to be discussed is what are we talking about in regards to background checks? do we want to see them strengthened? sure. are we wanting universal background checks? absolutely not. >> antoine, weigh in. i know you want to get in there. >> ned, you know what, i can
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give two you-know-whats about any of the conversation to be had. what we need it action. the fact of the matter is the house democrats have passed two pieces of legislation that 90% of the american people support and that's universal background checks and closing the charleston loophole, something that is so personal to me because i lost a dear friend in the charleston shooting and eight other people in south carolina just four years ago. the problem with donald trump is he does not have a conscience. he will go with the politics of the nra instead of the politics of the american people and what they want. there should be two gut checks for everyone in these types of situations -- one, what the american people want, and two, what these families want. because i don't know about you, ned, but if you've ever had to plan a funeral because an incident like this happened, you will know the posture and the position i come from. >> ned? >> well, i would say this -- first of all, the nra only represents about 5% of the gun owners in america, so you're
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dealing with a much larger audience, 100 million gun owners, roughly, that own 400 million guns. i've got to tell you, jo, the thing that's of some concern to me with trump and even mitch mcconnell talking about some of the red flag laws and all these other things -- everybody's talking about the suburban voters. i would remind people, he should be worried about the rural voters in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, which again -- >> no, ned -- no, ned, ned, ned, ned -- >> i have a question on that. hey, guys, hold on. hold on. it's really early in the morning. ned, i want to follow up on that, because how can the base trust the president at this point? because if you look at his positions, he's been flipping and flopping for the last six years. and even organizations like every town for gun safety are saying trump has more opinions than a magic eight ball. so, what is the base, if you're going to talk about the base, to think? >> this is going to be a test, jo, depending on where he goes in the next few weeks as to how he really feels about the gun rights and the second amendment when push comes to shove. so, this is an important test for donald trump, especially
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when it comes to his base, especially when it comes to these rural voters and these swing states that he barely won in 2016. >> ned -- >> antoine, 46 electoral votes in those three states decided the white house. if he absolutely does this and puts out the rural voters, he can kiss 2020 good-bye. >> antoine? >> ned, why do you give a damn about the base instead of giving a damn about the case? what we know is people, literally children are planning funerals for their mothers and fathers because we have not done anything in this country about this issue called gun control. nobody said take away your gun. >> but antoine -- >> no, ned, ned, i am a proud -- >> no -- >> no one is saying take away your gun. what we're saying is let's have some responsible gun reform measures in place so we can prevent perhaps one person from having to plan another funeral. like you're giving this posture every single time these things happen. >> no, no, let me say this.
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i mean, when you look back, look at parkland last year. that young man had 40 run-ins with law enforcement and the school administration and nothing was done. what i would like to see, instead of this broad, sweeping gun confiscation, which is what it will be, and a potential ban -- >> that's not what it is. >> yeah, it will be. why don't we have implications, legal and financial implications for local authorities who knew there was a threat, knew there was a problem, and failed to address it and it led to a shooting? that's what i would actually like to see. why don't we address the local authorities who actually failed us? >> ned and antoine, there is one common denominator in all of these shootings, in all of these attacks. it's not necessarily video games, not necessarily mental health. >> no. agreed. >> and they have access to guns. what will it take, ned, for you and other republicans to kind of finally back some sort of gun legislation? you have one republican congressman who is backing change, and it was a guy from
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the dayton area, and that's only because his daughter was across the street from last week's shooting. is that what it will take? >> well, i would say this, i don't think you're going to see any of the republicans actually do anything in regards to gun bans. i would hope not. at the same time -- >> there you go. there you go. >> the fact of the matter -- >> does it have to be something personal where your daughter, you realize that your daughter was across the street from an ar assault rifle? >> no, i think what's going to happen is we actually -- the thing that's about this whole situation with guns -- and i have to say this -- everybody wants to focus on the guns and say this is the issue. we have a bigger problem that will not be fixed by political votes, by political bills. we have a massive problem. and when you look at, again, a lot of these are young men, sadly, a lot of them young, white men who are deeply isolated from society, and you guys want to focus on the guns. i want to focus on the bigger societal problem, absolutely. >> let's just talk about the
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basic facts here. antoine, i'm going to get your reaction first. there's a new poll by politico, morning consult, on a ban on assault weapons, and it's supported by 70% of americans. that includes, ned, 54% of republicans. so, antoine, does that signal that there is a political appetite from both sides for a ban on assault weapons here? >> when i started this conversation, i said to you, 90% of the american people support universal background checks and closing the charleston loophole. there is no reason -- even the family of the maker of the ar-15 assault rifle said that weapon was not designed or made for the purposes of an everyday citizen. that is a weapon used on a battlefield in a war zone. why in the hell, ned, would you need -- >> no, it's not. >> -- or someone else need that weapon to go into an everyday situation? if you are hunting with an ar-15, you have a real problem. there is no way you can say that
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everyday people need that weapon -- >> assault rifle in case of a hurricane -- >> ned, ned, ned, you all make this political every single time instead of doing what's in the best interests of the american people. that's why we beat you all like a drum in '18. and if you keep this posture and you don't do anything about guns, we're going to beat you like a drum again in 2020. >> ned, we'll get you the last word really quickly. >> go back to the 1994 ban, and ten years later actually murders by long rifles, assault rifles had dropped 40%. the assault rifle ban in 1994 did actually nothing to lower the rate. they were lowered ten years later. it has nothing to do with -- it's a much deeper problem -- >> ned, if it saves one life along the way, it's done its job. if it saves one life, it's done its job. >> all right. >> all right, guys. thank you so much. we appreciate the debate this morning. by the way, former new york city mayor mike bloomberg is one of the country's foremost gun control activists, as you know,
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new today, a rising number of migrants seeking to enter the u.s., at least 40,000, have reached the u.s. border with mexico or are on a waiting list to seek asylum, and that's according to the "associated press." >> in the meantime, mexico is stepping up efforts to try to reduce the number of migrants from reaching the u.s. border. nbc's cal perry is in mexico city with an exclusive look at what that country is doing. good morning, cal. >> reporter: good morning, guys. we were able to take a trip down to the southern border between mexico and guatemala. look, we know that donald trump's policies have a massive effect in the u.s., but they have a ripple effect across the continent, not just the u.s. southern border, but mexico's southern border as well. in topachula, mexico, most people are from somewhere else and everybody has a story.
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did you think about going to the u.s.? >> no. >> reporter: no. why not? >> because i got for theed already. >> reporter: what is it like here in tapachula? >> like [ bleep ], i don't know. it's a bad situation, but it's not good. >> right now, the situation in america is very difficult for illegal immigrants. >> reporter: president trump isn't just affecting the lives of migrants, he's shifting policy inside mexico. his tune on the country has recently, not so subtly, shifted. >> i want to thank, by the way, the country of mexico. they've got 21,000 soldiers on the border right now. i'm starting to like mexico a lot. >> reporter: this is the new reality for the mexican government ever since president trump threatened this country with tariffs. 11,000 new national guardsmen have been stood up along the border with guatemala. for the commander here and his
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personnel, the mission is as tenuous as the politics. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: for security reasons, the military insisted we conceal his identity. what's the stated mission of the soldiers who have been stood up here on the border? [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: traveling back and forth between mexico and guatemala has been a part of daily life and commerce for centuries. it's only in the era of president trump that you now officially need an i.d. when reaching the mexican side of the river. that show of force along the border with guatemala is only half the story. the mexican government is setting up centers like this one in an attempt to get migrants to register. it's their way of trying to bring some semblance of order in what is very clearly a chaotic situation.
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people from all over the world queue up and jockey for position at the gates that seem to swing open at random. authorities both eager to get people into the system and at the same time are overwhelmed by the volume of human traffic. all the while, people are stuck here, many after a treacherous journey, afraid still to show their faces, fearing it will hurt their chances of eventually making it to the united states. as night falls on this border town, we meet ishmael. his parents brought him to california when he was only 3 years old. recently deported, he's trying to get back to the only life and family he knows. are you trying to get back? >> i am. i am trying to get back. >> reporter: how are you? >> either legally, or if possible, illegal, yeah. >> reporter: so, you would cross back illegally, if you could? >> yes, definitely, just to be back with my family.
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>> reporter: so many people in that southern city of tapachula feel like foreigners. they lived their entire lives in the u.s., and they're stuck, unable to go south because they don't have money and they fled the dangers of their countries, and now unable to go north, either because they were already deported or they've become part of donald trump's remain in mexico policy. kendis, jo? >> cal perry, thanks so much for that original reporting on the ground there. well, hundreds of children left without parents after i.c.e. raids in mississippi. what might be the long-term impact on those kids? most people think a button is just a button. ♪ that a speaker is just a speaker. ♪ or - that the journey can't be the destination. most people haven't driven a lincoln. discover the lincoln approach to craftsmanship at the lincoln summer invitation. right now, get 0% apr on all 2019 lincoln vehicles
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that. joining me now to discuss this is nbc medical correspondent, dr. john torres. thank you for being here. you take a look at those images and very hard for us -- >> heartbreaking. >> you can imagine the psychological impact this is having on those kids. >> for anybody. you go to school that day. doing normal things at school. having a good time. go on the bus, you're home, your parents aren't there. first of all what's going on. they got arrested. whoa, this completely changes your world, completely changes your dynamic. that has huge impact on the children. >> many of these kids are so young. they didn't know how their parents got here to the united states. >> exactly. sometimes a lot of these families are open with their children. they are living that constant stressful life. these families will explain to children you can't talk about this, you can't tell anybody you're mentioned from here.
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you have to be very careful. so they are living that stressful situation anyway and they are kind of always on intelligent of what might go on. then this happens and they think the worse because that's what children tend to do. you hear her saying, through her tears, my dad is not a criminal. children should not go through that. >> what is the long terminol c psychological effect? >> children love stability. very important for children to group with stability. if they don't have that, it takes those short term effects and that's depression, anxiety, decreased appetite, headache. but we also know it can change the brain development in children and that brain development change can lead to depression, adhd, anxiety,
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suicide, substance abuse later on in life and we're finding out it can lead to heart disease and diabetes because you're constantly getting flooded with with the stress hormones. or families are calm being effect for children. that's what they need. >> many of these kids enduring a lot before this took place. there's a new nbc news article that follows, six kids whose dad and aunt were among those arrested in the raids. i want says in part here ever since his father was rounded up in a massive immigration worksite raids in mississippi this week, the 6-year-old a autistic has refused to eat. and any time somebody comes to the home he peers in the car looking for his father. it's heartbreaking. how do you explain this sort of stuff to the kids what's going on. >> that's difficult because part of it is because of the way it was handled cases like this.
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they came through according to them they said they didn't the tell the authorities, child protective services type of authorities because they didn't want to alert them raids were going on. in some situations bus drivers were told find out if there's somebody at the house and if there isn't don't drop them off bring them back to school. these kids have no idea what's going on. hopefully it's a relative someone who they know, here's the situation, here's what's going on. we're working hard to get them back. your parents love you and still be there for you. we'll get-together as soon as we can. >> does the medical community have any advice for i.c.e.? >> both the american psychological association and american pediatrics are saying the same thing. these children need the to be the priority in these situations and that means you need to make sure plans are in place beforehand to take care of these children. and like the government said they didn't want to alert people, didn't want to alert
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other authorities who might leak the information. but in some cases you have to do that. they children have to be priority because it will have long term repercussions and issues. you need be very careful because this could impact their lives for years to come. >> thank you. president trump is flip flopping on the issue of guns. what's the chances of him changing his mind on background checks again? again ♪ ain't nothing but a heartache... ♪ no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. ♪ i never wanna hear you say... ♪ no, kevin... no, kevin! believe it! geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.
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good morning, you're at msnbc world headquarters. >> it's 7:00 in the east. 4:00 on the west coast. here's what's happening. in iowa democrats descend on the hawkeye state in what could be the earliest test for the presidential run. new information on tell pa so killings one week later as the community gears up for a protest march. details coming up. >> gun battle. the president, the nra and congress. will the two mass shootings lead to new regulations or will the moment pass yet again. >> another day another north korean missile test, another letter from kim jong-un as well. making sense of the trump policy approach after this latest incident. happening right now, growing outrage over the largest immigration raid in the state. 680 people arrested, half remain custody. yesterday president trump defended the raids as a possible deterrent. >> i want

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