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teachers. the market is a little better than an hour ago but not a good day. 1.5% loss on the dow. it's morphing into what the trade war might do to the economy. that wraps up the day for me. see you back here for as "all in" with chris hayes at 1:00, and 3:00 eastern. "deadline: white house" starts right now. hi, everyone, it's 4:00 in new york. i'm chris jansing in for nicolle wallace. today the political crisis for president trump that even he can't seem to rein in. despite the conspiracy theories the president tweeted this weekend, all of the attacks on his political opponent and members of the press, the conversation that's still front and center on campaign trail in the headlines, even among his one-time allies on tv, the r-word, racism and the president's divisive rhetoric that's now been linked to white supremacist violence after last
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week's shooting in el paso. "the washington post" posting the label racist strokes fury in president trump. he considers himself a banding wizard but he has a crisis of his own, how to lose the racist. and that label brings with it accusations he's partly to blame for failing to stem the white supremacy that's continued to fester in this country ever since and even for amplifying it. this weekend his democratic opponents unifying around one message, president trump and his race baiting pose a danger to the country. >> never believed in my life that i would have to deal with a president who is such an overt, not only racist, but a sexist, but a homophobe, a xenophobe. >> we reject the voice that he
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has provided that has been about sewing hate and division among us. we reject that! it is now reflective of who we are. >> this is white nationalism, this is white supremacy. it's not only our values, everything that makes america america is under assault. >> they tell you if you see something, say something, right? that's what we're supposed to do. i see something so i'm saying something. i'm saying it's time to get a white nationalist out of the white house. >> yes, donald trump is dangerous to the future of america and will destroy what makes us so unique and so special. >> but this time alarm over trump's race baiting might extend beyond just his opponents and critics. now anthony scaramucci, his onetime defender, alley and communications director, albeit briefly, is saying enough is enough. suggesting it might be time for republicans to cut bait and move
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on, and he says he's not the only trump ally who's saying so. >> the rhetoric is so charged and so device piv that we have to all just take a step back now and say, what are we doing, ashley? sound and reasonably minded men and women in the republican party will say wait i minua mine can't do this. he's giving people a license to hate, to provide a source of anger to go after each other and he does it on his twitter account. don't just go by me. there's a lot of people who will tell you they're inside the president's inner circle but they're just fearful right now of opening up and explaining that to the american public. >> and that is where we start today from "the washington post," senior political reporter aaron blake, former assistant director for counterintelligence, frank figliuzzi. at the table associated press white house reporter jonathan lemire. former aide to george w. bush white house and state department, elise jordan and politics editor for "the root,"
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jason johnson. so much to talk about. but let's start with what we just heard, the language according to mr. scaramucci is now so divisive. is it different now than it was in 2016? are we in a different place than we were for charlottesville? >> i think it's work looking back what happened during the 2017 campaign. there was a high percent of people recoiling at the president weighing in on racist issues when he questioned whether a judge overseeing the trump university case couldn't fairly hear the case because he was, quote, a mexican judge. in fact he was born in the united states. he had mexican descent. even at that point "the washington post" conducted a poll and asked people whether they felt the president's comments were in fact racist. in the summer of 2016, 42% of republicans thought the president's comments about judge
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curel were racist. of course, almost all of the them went on to vote for him as president. i think where this potentially changes is when it becomes part of a one-off pattern or few things the president just has thrown out here. if people link this to actual violence like there was in charlottesville or el paso, that's where it could be somewhat more dicey but this is certain something republicans have been willing to tall rate in the past. >> and we're not just judging, when you look back prevote, prevote, people heard what the president had to say about a gold star family, the whole candidacy that was in many ways founded on immigration, founded on birtherism. and yet now, and this is really fascinating to me, vaughn hillyard's been out there talking to voters. here's what he is hearing on the trail. he tweeted -- no longer does the conversation with voters go immediately to health care or tax policy or education, despite
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the importance of these issues to them, it goes first almost every time to race and the rhetoric out of the white house. jason, is it different? >> it's different. i saw the video that vaughn had. let's be honest, first of all, the guy who you spoke to will always vote republican. he had the same self-aggrandizing victimation from some 50-something-year-old white guy who says everybody calls me racist. the key with trump, this victimization people have -- sorry, the mic fell off. the victimization people seem to have doesn't make all that much sense. but i will tell you this, how the campaign has come to function on one way or another, this is a based election so as problematic as all of this behavior may happen to be for the president, ultimately it's not going to change how his partisans tend to turn out and vote. republicans will get in line with him. the only difference that will play out is perhaps suburban moms or moderate white folks
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that begin not to see racism as a social ill and embarrassment but actual threat and danger. that's what is happening now, people associate it with danger. >> fear, right, jonathan lemire? you saw and i was there in el paso, texas and you see three teenage girls standing there and they say they're afraid they have a target on their back because their skin is one shade darker than somebody who wants to kill them for it. >> right. two things can be true at once on the one hand it's always been there. donald trump career was born on the back of birtherism, a lie. and we have seen the sustained rhetoric from the white house, whether it was attacks on the four congresswomen of color, sustained attacks on representative cummings, baltimore, inner cities -- >> unapologetic. >> of course. and what happened here the sort of inspiration his language, invasion, infestation, how he describes immigrants seems to have, at least in part, inspired
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the shooter in el paso, who used very similar rhetoric. i think there is a sense of things are a little different now. there is a sustained focus on this. people are nervous and i think vaughn's tweet is right now, that it seems like there's been -- whether it lasts, we will see, but a tipping point in the race. joe biden's campaign announcement, first words out of his mouth was charlottesville. for a while he was the only one out there framing this as a moral issue. the candidates were focused on other things, important things to be sure but what happened in the past two weeks with the mass shootings is all of the candidates are focusing on the president's moral fit for office and this country can do better than what they believe a white nationalist in the oval office. >> and that's sparking a different fear in republicans that this is a losing issue not just for the president but republicans everywhere come 2020. >> i have been baffled since the
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beginning of this conversation in the most recent iteration how the question of oh, is this some kind of crazy genius of donald trump? is he doing this to win? and it's like no, the guy is just a racist. we've seen it repeatedly year after year after year of his life. we've seen it over the last month. there is actually no political advantage to it. you see where a majority of the country now is 51%, it's not that much of a majority. in a recent quinnipiac poll they say yes, donald trump is racist. and some of the people still might choose to vote for him going forward. but the difference is it's more than words. you look at the actions that are happening in the aftermath of his sustained campaign of racial hate. >> i think one of the things, frank figliuzzi, is this president has always from anyone who was around him, anthony scaramucci knows this as well as anybody else, demanded this blind loyalty, right? i say it, it must be so. or even if you don't think it's
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so, you don't criticize me for it. >> this is why it's so important to look through the lens of radicalization when you look at this president and then apply counterradicalization techniques. because you're right, attacking his followers is going to be counterproductive. he demands that loyalty and they are loyal. so if you call trump followers racist en masse, they simply coalesce around each other and become even more defensive and protective of the leader, just as they would in say a terrorist organization to compare to the radicalization process. so what do you do? know counter the leader himself by calling him out, calling out his lies every time he does so, and i'm still not convinced we're doing that enough, particularly in the media. and then you deny the platforms from which he gets his voice. so if there's a news network spouting the same racist and hate-filled rhetoric, you start attacking them financially with
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the commercial advertising slots that they sell. you start making it painful to aline yourself with the same hate-filled racist talk. that's the counterradicalization process that needs to take place. >> if there's a counter radicalization process that's going to take place, aaron blake, has it become more difficult for republicans to essentially say, i can have my cake and eat it too. i can say, i'm not a racist and let trump say what he says and continue to say he's not a racist either? >> yes, the risk in this big brand bargain that republicans have struck with the president, which has really been the case ever since that "access hollywood" tape where many bucked him and said he should withdraw from the race. he wound up winning, of course. they have gotten a lot out of the trump presidency, two regulatory forms, the republican-controlled senate is
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installing a number of judges, manies doens -- many dozens of judges. on the whole if you ask them if it panned out for them, they will say it has. but when we start talking about issues of racism, the question is how long will the bargain accrue to the benefit? is it something where suddenly where the president says more and more things that are going to raise people's ire, going to make the american people believe he is in fact a racist and how long is that going to affect the republican party moving forward? it's great to get two supreme court justices in his first term but what if it reverts the ability to win elections for years and years. >> and they lost the house of representatives. that's not uncommon in somebody's second year. that his historical trends to it. >> but it has a historical
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number there. and can you draw a line. >> but the republicans didn't change most of their behavior in the senate because at the end of the day, this actually benefits them in a lot of different ways. the only consequence we can see, there's always racist and people who dog whistles. he just happens to be more blatant about it. the only reason it's an issue now is because it's a national security one. what you were mentioning before, look, when joe biden came out and talked about charlottesville and i was there, i know about those sorts of things, it was also senator harris was one of the first people talking about this as a national security issue. if people start to believe, if white america starts to think racism is actually a danger to me as a white person. this isn't something that just happens to my black friend or hispanic cheering squad member who hangs out with my daughter, but if i have to worry about going into the video store -- those don't exist. if i have to worry about going into target, i went back in time a bit, if i have to worry about going to a movie theater, going to a concert and being attacked
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by some maininiac spouting the e words as president, you know someone will go bold next year and say list teen what the mass shooter says and donald trump says and this is a danger to your safety. that's where the mass criticism is. >> what we need to understand and this is true for a while, no place is safe. they can go into an elementary school and they can blow away 20 little innocent children. we didn't see anything then. at some point i think you're right, you need to get not only the national security point but where it came from. look "the new york times" they did a whole front page thing they looked at, where these words, these loaded words like invasion and invaders are coming from. how the el paso gunman echoed the words of right wing pundits. let me play a little of what "the new york times" put
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together for you. >> we're being invaded. >> invasion of the illegal immigrants. >> fact of the matter is this is an attempted invasion of our country. >> we have all of these minors from central america flooding the border. >> multi culturism isn't real. this is really destroying one's culture and replacing it with a new foreign culture. >> this is not migrants coming into the country. this is nothing short of an invasion. >> democrats who want to replace you, the american voters, with newly amnestied citizens. >> this is a government-sanctioned invasion of our country. >> frank, this is the kind of language that used to be at least in public on the fringe. >> look, it's become clear that we're now looking at a re-election strategy of racism. this isn't coincidental. when you have outlets repeating the same answer as the white house and vice versa and we see president trump referring to
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mexicans as invaders about two dozen times at a minimum and repeated throughout the media and far more disturbingly repeated on violent white hate blogs, websites, chatrooms, all of it becomes circular and all of it becomes aiding and abetting violence and we're looking at a spiral downward until someone calls a stop to it and the gop has the best shot of convincing this president to stop it and none of it has happened yet. the president lost his moment to call time-out on that press conference right after the el paso shooting. we didn't see him personally renounce the violence, personally say i'm not about white hate and his followers in the unstable group among fts our population look at that and go, he didn't really mean it. >> frank is right and there is a degree of election strategy and
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it's also a problem. if he can go around and activate voters who were not there last time and certainly didn't come home in 2016 and stayed home in 2018 but might be there now. it's threading the needle strategy. they're aiming for a handful of rust belt states they carried last time and believe they can in a small number again believe those people will respond to dog whistles or at the very least ignore them because of the good economy. what we saw a few minneapolis ago about the stock market plunging again, that's the thing that's really unnerving the white house. they feel like whether it's ramifications from the chinese trade war or other elements, the best argument for second term is a strong economy. if this goes away, then the president's going to have a really hard time. >> i want to add to this, the strategy worked with -- worked somewhat better in 2016 because it was on people's minds, ferguson, black lives matter. it was dangerous internal black and brown people in america
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disrupting things. now it's coming from within. now it's from the suburbs. the restoration of fear doesn't work as well when the people perpetuating the violence look like you, same kind of white people. it's really risky strategy because you don't have the other to chase after. what about little brown kids crying because their parents are taken away by i.c.e.? that's not making people afraid. that's making people he barsed to vote for the guy. it's a risky strategy. he has to hope there's a riot or something dangerous that happens because brown people are not scaring white folk enough for him to get re-elected. >> when anthony scaramucci says it's not in his character to vote for this president and maybe i should step back, i assume what will come for anthony scaramucci, some sort of two nickname or negativity or something. thanks to panel. we have a lot to talk about when we come back, the conspiracy theory that existed only in the darkest corners of twitter until
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donald trump elevated it to presidential new heights. how alleged accusations of jeffrey epstein's shocking death could have dangerous consequences. also ahead, democratic candidates fighting back tears and sharing in the outcry from parents and children they're meeting on the campaign trail over gun violence. their plans to put an end to the carnage. the trump administration's latest immigration deterrent targets migrants living in the united states legally. does it go too far? the first survivor of alzheimer's disease
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welcome back. conspiracy theorists launched
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into overdrive within an hour of saturday's shocking news that millionaire financier jeffrey epstein died by an apparent suicide by being held in a new york federal jail on charges of sex trafficking minors. the stunning report of his death and the many high-powered people he had connections to provided plenty of fodder for unsubstantiated theories to brew. but it was the president who added fuel to the fire when he retweeted a baseless claim that tied he steep's death to the clinton family. this type of behavior is nothing new for donald trump. he has lost tracked in conspiracy theories. "the washington post" laying out a few, believed in birtherism, tied j.f. tied it to the j.f.k. assassination, global warming a hoax, vince foster's suicide, quote, very fishy. aaron frank and the table are back. aaron, it is almost as if there is no ceiling to the conspiracy theory. >> yeah, and this situation was
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almost a perfect storm. i think we all saw a lot of people, especially on social media, who were pretty comfortable early on at least floating the idea there was something suspicious about this apparent suicide by jeffrey epstein. of course, the president too also has a personal stake here in that he has an epstein tie of his own. so when the president has some kind of a liability or alleged liability, he will often try to turn that on other people who maybe try to make next have the same liabilities so when people start attaching this whole thing, in whole epstein thing to the president, it was probably only a matter of time before he was going to attach this whole thing to the clintons. and i think on the list of those conspiracy theories the president has trafficked in over the course of the last four years and even and ybeyond that this is certainly one of the most-pitched ones but it bears a lot of similarities to other ones including the vince foster situation. somewhere it may be true it was only a matter of time but this
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was like within lightning speed, like within an hour or two he was retweeting this. >> donald trump's natural impulse to go with unfounded fewer speculation, do whatever you can to try to weaponize lack of information and distrust in the government. >> the problem, and we have talked about this before, is that we all sort of become a little bit immune to it, right? we shrug our shoulders, that's donald trump being donald trump. but at least a few of the 2020 democratic candidates who were out on the trail and almost all in iowa this weekend said, wait a minute, this is more than donald trump being donald trump. i want to play a couple of those for you. >> he's dangerous. he's giving life to not just conspiracy theories but whipping people up in anger and worse to different people in this country. >> this is another example of our president using this
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position of public trust to attack his political enemies with unfounded conspiracy theories. >> this is dangerous, unequivocally making the case that we can't shrug our shoulders at this. >> you know, if the president is going to retweet videos from like comedians could he pick like chris rock or something else? he tweets out a conspiracy theory by a right wing comedian and then uses that as his response to the death of somebody who was under the watchful eye supposedly of our department of justice. like there's a whole criminal justice aspect of this like goodness gracious, shouldn't they have done a better job? it's actually very difficult for someone to commit suicide while they're in prison. this is something we should all be concerned about, not just the justice standpoint but how our prisons operate. but it's not new. on a lot of different levels, there are all sorts of conspiracy theories. there are nutty things i have seen. but if you're the kind of person
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who can entertain the idea under the trump administration that somehow the clintons sent a group of super ninjas in there and killed this guy like under the watch of this presidency and got away with it, you're probably not someone who even votes. >> you're like the ga wan amow of jails. and i want to show you this piece from "the new york times," the dueling hashtag, #clinton body count and #trump body count and toxicity are built for speed and designed to reward the most incendiary impulses of its worst actors. it's ushered in a parallel reality, unwitting facts and helped to push spiritual thinking into the culture mainstream. with each new cycle, the system grows more efficient and trenching its opposing camp, the poison spreads. frank? >> so chris about three months
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ago fbi intelligence analysts issued a warning. they said they see danger in these conspiracy theories. you might ask yourself why would the fbi intel analysts be concerned about political conspiracies? because they're seeing the conspiracies resonate among very dangerous individuals and groups and that's causing the alarm bells to ring. so look, conspiracies need to be countered with truth as you said. if someone -- it has been said by the panel if someone actually believes an attorney general doj-controlled federal lockup in new york somehow was breached by clintons to get in and kill a man who had evidence against high-powered people, including a lot of republicans, there's a problem there. and there's another problem with the speed with which conspiracy theories spread today and that is foreign power engagement in them. the mueller report actually singled out russian social media propaganda aimed at fueling conspiracies, racially dividing us. oxford did a study staying four
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out of five russian attributed twitter accounts were aimed at racial divide and conspiracy theories. we even watch what we are seeing, where we're getting our news from and understand we can be easily duped. the facts need to counter the lies. >> easily duped, the headline in "the washington post" today, which has done a remarkable job of keeping track of what the president says, he has made now 12,019 false or misleading claims over 928 days. this is as of august 5th. he averages about 13 fishy claims a day as they put it but, jonathan, since he passed the 10,000 mark, he has not been chasten by the fact "the washington post" is tracking this. in fact, he's now at an average of 20 claims a day since then. >> the president, first of all, this moment was ripe for conspiracy theories.
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epstein has powerful friends on both sides of the aisle, powerful friends overseas, powerful men linked to allegedly his services and girls that he exploited in those moments certainly questions about the facilities, how was he left alone, why didn't he have a roommate and checked more often than 30 minutes and so on and so on? the attorney general suggested there would be a significant investigation into what happened. but the president had a chance and people were stunned by this. there was a sense these girl should have their moment of justice and they're deprived of that. this is the moment the president could have said nothing or tried to strike some sort of unifying tone. instead again, his instinct is fan the flames. his instinct is take a shot at a political enemy. not just a predecessor, bill clinton but his 2016 political opponent. mind you, the woman who the president would stand in front of cheers of lock her up.
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here he is basically implicating her in a crime. so there's a lot of sense here this is another moment this president doesn't just defy norms but does so in a potentially dangerous way. >> thank you both for spending time with us. the panel is staying on the set with me. democrats are going all in calling gun control not just a safety issue but a moral one. e . the psoriasis. e . cosentyx treats more than just the joint pain of active psoriatic arthritis. it even helps stop further joint damage. don't use if you're allergic to cosentyx. before starting, get checked for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor about an infection or symptoms, if your inflammatory bowel disease symptoms develop or worsen, or if you've had a vaccine or plan to. serious allergic reactions may occur. get real relief, with cosentyx. 'cause crabfest is on geat red lobster.ns with nine craveable crab creations. like our new crab imperial.
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the second amendment says that we can limit who can own a weapon, that can limit what kind of gun you can own. >> america is with us in demanding common sense gun safety laws. >> it's about reducing the deaths from gun violence. >> if he wants to vote against gun safety legislation, let him vote against it. but reconvene the united states senate. let's have that discussion. let's have that vote.
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>> people say to me, did donald trump cause those folks to be killed? well, no, of course he didn't pull the trigger but he certainly has been tweeting out the ammunition. >> for all of the disagreements that they have on various policies, democrats do seem to agree on one thing, the need for stricter gun control laws in the united states. there were 16 candidates at that forum in iowa this weekend, organized by every town for gun safety. at one point andrew yang broke down listening to a mom describe losing her 4-year-old daughter, who was killed by a stray bullet in the presence of her twin brother. yang described that moment today on "morning joe." >> i was just with my kids and i hugged them a little extra tight yesterday. it's just a human response. and this sort of phenomenon cannot be allowed to be possible in this country. >> with such broad-based support
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for gun control issues and background checks and an assault rifle ban, combined with the white house seemingly paralyzed on the matter, one has to ask have the democrats found a slam-dunk issue where they have a distinct advantage to donald trump? joining the conversation, senior writer from politico and msnbc contributor jake sherman. let me ask you that question, is this or let it be, if articulated properly, a slam dunk for the democrats. >> well, the issue hasn't shifted a lot over the last couple of years. we had a number of huge shootings obviously. and this political issue has begun to build, frankly, over the last decade since 2009, 2010, 2011. so it might be reaching a boiling point but the crux of the issue with this, can donald trump, if want something to get done, the question is can donald trump take a position and hold a position for an extended period of time?
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if he can't, the implications of not doing anything according to republicans and democrats that i have talked to, the tale is a lot longer. this is an issue if you don't do something and republicans fear you can alienate a generation of voters. but remember immigration reform has a huge poll numbers across the country, gun control also does. so congress has been ignoring widely popular issues for some time so this is nothing new. >> let's look at the poll. because this is the morning consult political voter. this is just for the assault weapons ban. 70% overall, right, 70%, we knew there was after newtown 90% plus on background checks. democrats 85%. but there is even a majority among republicans, jonathan, even a majority there. there is a consensus in america
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they are sick and tired of in the people getting blown away in walmarts, in schools, nightclubs, everywhere you go and you think you're safe. >> it's not just among republicans in the senate, particularly senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. that is the issue here. >> i don't know if i agree with that, mitch mcconnell, mitch mcconnell, mitch mcconnell. president trump needs to pick up the phone, call mitch mcconnell and say -- >> sure. >> mitch mcconnell's not going to do it. does anybody here think mitch mcconnell's going to do it? >> this is the moment where the president, who's widely popular among republicans, could provide cover for republican senators and that includes the senate majority leader. if he goes to bat here and says friday wleft the left the vacat was on, he would support some sort of background check measure, this was the time to act upon some sort of gun control action and legislation. if he does, maybe it's not enough or not going to be about assault weapons. that's not really in the conversation on the hill. maybe there can be something done here. the question is is the political
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momentum going to remain in the couple of weeks before the senate gets back to washington and is the president going to follow through on his commitment this time because remember he said something different after the parkland shooting a year ago. he said he would do this and backed off. >> i think there's a real danger for republicans on this issue because you look at political issues when the republican establishment is out of line with their base and on this issue i think that they actually are increasingly out of line. i did focus groups last year in mississippi and tennessee. and i was actually shocked because these were tables where everyone at the table owned a gun and they were all for what they wanted, what they asked for, common sense gun reform. >> they wanted to ban high-volume magazines, they didn't want teachers to have to start going and being armed at school. at least thank goodness we did not have to revisit that debate. but they were for having universal background checks. the system is broken right now.
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republican politicians are not eager to fix what's broken in the current system to make it work, so we don't have tragedy after tragedy. i hate to say it, we know this is going to happen again. >> of course. whenever you go right to the argument joe biden is making and he put it down in "the washington post" on banning assault -- i'm sorry, "the new york times" on banning assault weapons works, if we cannot rise to meet this moment, it won't just be a political failure, it will be a moral one. it will mean we accept the next investable tragedy that we are desensitized to children running from schools and bodies littering parking lots that are outpouring of thoughts and prayers will gro increasingly hollow. it is not a complex argument to make. and you have a ready audience. >> it's not a complex argument. joe biden is probably one of the most eloquent people to speak on
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these issues given he was around pr previous crime bills and bans. but as what you and johnathan were mentioning, it's not like mitch mcconnell is an evil puppeteer, but he's like i have my entire senate caucus here. they don't trust you, president trump. they don't trust you to cover us if we try to put through this legislation. if the president can be believed to be consistent, if he said look i want background checks. mitch, i want this to happen right now. i will make every commercial necessary to cover the back of every single person in the caucus who supports it, it would happen tomorrow. they don't trust the president will have their back. what they're worried about is next year being aligned from the right or attacked by a democrat, it's a shame we have to have these calculations when people are dyeing but i believe that's what reasons are worried about and it's a legitimate concern.
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>> but there's no doubt about this, it's a more imperative, i think that's one thing we can all agree on, if there's anything that congress, that our elected officials are supposed to do, it is to keep us safe. but on capitol hill, where is the conversation going to go? >> i can tell you behind the scenes a lot of people, a lot of republicans tell me exactly what you guys are saying on the set, they recognize the issue has gone away from them, that the public is not where they are and they need some cover, political cover to get something done. and it couldn't be overstated here. if the president took farm position and held it, he would be able to bring republicans along and republicans say there is room for them to get things done, a background check bill would be a heavy lift still but it could get done and i think republicans increasingly are beginning to feel like there is a more ill perativ-- an imperat.
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the senate represents purple states and it's much more popular in the senate, it will be easier in the senate to get something done. >> i will say this about political cover, say that to somebody who had to run for cover and know somebody. it's almost getting to the point where everybody is going to know somebody who -- of course everyone relates to going to a walmart, everyone relates to their child being in a school. the political korver part cover this, whatever happened to a little back bone and moral can compass? jake sherman, thank you for spending time with us. much appreciated from capitol hill. after the break, donald trump repeated time and again we want police coming into the country, not just illegally, but not illegally. but a shifting white house policy is raising new questions about the administration's stance on legal immigration. be right back.
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i think illegal immigration is a ternl thing for this country. i think you have to come in legally. ideally, you have to come in because we need people coming in because we have many people coming into our country, pouring in. i believe we need legal immigration, not illegal. >> come legally. we want immigrants, the president says. but a new rule announced by the trump administration earlier today makes it harder for low-income legal immigrants who receive food stamps or other government assistance to stay in this country. nbc news reporting, quote, the rule which has been in the works since last year, would favor wealth y wealthier applicants in the american immigration system and could dramatically reshape the immigration system, according to the migration policy institute and immigration thinktank. the table is back. in fact, the executive director of the national immigration law center said this news is a cruel new step towards weaponizing
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programs that are intended to help people by making them instead a means of separating families and sending immigrants and communities of color one message, you are not welcome here. >> this is what white nationalism looks like in policy. and i have been saying this all along, white nationalism's belief america is a white christian straight country. if you're not a white straight christian, then they don't want you here. whether that's done by terrifying people with sort of aggressive, drastic raids by i.c.e. or policies created by steven miller to make it harder and harder for people to get here, they want to reshape and change the demographics of the united states of america and this is how they're going to do it. >> and give me your tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to be free and his answer was i'm not prepared to take anything down from the statue of liberty. >> i think they already defiled the statue of liberty in a
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pretty extreme way, starting from the executive order donald trump attempted to ban travelers from certain muslim nations. and we've seen this sustained effort by the trump administration to essentially stop immigration. we aren't bringing in refugees anymore. it's a stain, moral stain on america that we -- there is a huge refugee crisis in the world right now and we are literally just saying like no, not us. when previously the whole point of america was we're a place that welcomed those who wanted to contribute and wanted a better life. >> that was the american dream. a tweet, the question remains what does this question say to many using public benefits as a bridge to the american dream including the pursuit of professional degrees and technical training as they get on their feet? if i can go back to el paso, how many times do you hear a
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16-year-old girl emotionally talking with love about her mother? in this case it was a mom who had come from mexico with no language skills who got her g.e.d. and then got her degree, and is helping to support their isn't that what the american dream is? it's not just somebody who comes over because they want to go and get their ph.d at an ivy league university. >> that's what it has always been. from this administration it is not just about curtailing illegal immigration as they put it but really limiting legal immigration. they say they want to switch to a more merit based system. that is how they're framing this going forward but it is also about dramatically cutting numbers overall. they feel that's good policy but also the sense that's good politics. they think that's, again, what is going to resonate with their voters, the sort of white, working class voters whether in the rust belt or not, who feel threatened by immigrants, like they've taken my jobs or my children go to a school where
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spanish is spoken almost as much as english. things like that resonating with their voters in a negative way and this administration is going to lean on that time and time again. they've shown no signs of backing off. >> the associated press did a review of the census and it showed the people exactly in this category that are being targeted in fact used benefits like medicaid, food aid, s.s.i. at a lower rate than low income native born adults. after the break, a presidential pen pal. what donald trump scribbled to justin trudeau on a magazine cover. ne cover.
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even in an era of truly bizarre political stories this one still very much is out there. axios is reporting that on two separate occasions in 2017 donald trump handed handwritten notes to canadian prime minister justin trudeau. the first was so bizarre the canadian ambassador reportedly had to check with the white house to make sure it wasn't a prank. it was a bloomberg business week cover featuring trudeau and in silver sharpy a comment, looking good. hope it's not true. the second was a back and forth over trade deficits reportedly culminating in trudeau sending trump a print out of a u.s. government website disproving the point trump was trying to make with a smiley face drawn on it. talk amongst yourselves. >> if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. >> the president has always been fond of sharpies. he has talked at length how much he likes them whether as a
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businessman or a politician he is known for taking newspaper clippings and writing notes on them in sharpies and shipping them off. even now the white house aides present him that day's clippings in printed form. he doesn't use computer or phone to read the news. he'll often mark them with sharpies and send them to other aides or send them to the person the article is about including people who have been on television supporting him. that is not surprising. >> this is one of our closest allies. >> god permitting we all survive this. when they write the oral history of this presidency from some of the other world leaders the stories they're going to tell about him, this sort of bizarre, juvenile, infant ile behavior whether trudeau or allies to the south, it is absolutely ridiculous. there was a time where the worst thing we thought was george bush trying to give back massages to andrea merkel. we were ashamed of that. >> a smiley face with an autograph. tograph.d about
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my thanks to the truly fantastic panel and that's it for this hour. i'm chris jansing. "mtp daily" starts right now. if it's monday, the white house launches a new immigration crackdown as new reporting highlights the potential dangers of the president's racial rhetoric. plus, democrats putting divisions aside in iowa, uniting against the president on race and demanding tougher gun laws. plus, jeffrey epstein's apparent suicide is sparking a lot of questions and conspiracies. which the president is spreading. if it's monday it's "meet the press daily."
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