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press." we're going to look at the economy, 2020 race. my guest president trump's chief economic adviser larry kudlow and democratic presidential candidate candidate beto o'rourke as well as mark sanford. the beat starts right now. >> we have a lot to get to tonight. donald trump freaking out about a potential economic downturn. a key trump adviser agreeing to testify publicly about obstruction and later tonight we turn to a very important topic. scientists warning this july was the hottest ever on record. wow. well, bill nye the science guy is here later for a look at this very real climate crisis. so we have all of that, but bewe begin with new reporting donald trump is getting nervous after a week of warnings of economic turmoil. apparently worried without a strong economy he might have nothing else to run on in 2020. privately donald trump sounding anxious and apprehensive about the economy. now calling executives to sound them out about what comes next.
one republican close to the administration telling "the washington post" bottom line, he's rattled. compare this reporting to donald trump's very public stance which is kind of a reminder that for all the critics who cast trump as a kind of emotional undisciplined hot mess, if you believe this "washington post" account, on this, he's actually quite disciplined. at least when it comes to lying in public about the things he contradicts in private. >> see, the bottom line is, i know you like me and this room is a love fest. i know that, but have you no choice but to vote for me because your 401(k)s down the tubes. everything's going to be down the tubes. so whether you love me or hate me, you got to vote for me. >> trump also saying it will be tough to win his trade war that he started with china. fact check, last year, he himself promised it would be
easy. >> by the way, i never said china was going to be easy but it's not tough. they want to make a deal. >> when a country usa is losing many billions of dollars on trade with virtually every country it does business with, trade wars are good and easy to win. >> as for what comes next, the reporting says that trump has no new steps planned to counter possible recession. let's take that in. this could affect everyone, the economy. there could be legitimate reasons to not have those plans. there are presidents who have positions that believe the government does more harm than good if it tries to get into short-term market management. we hear maybe some corrections are necessary. tonight let's be clear. the reports are not trump is using any of those policies of factually based reasons but he doesn't believe the facts and taking the conspiratorial view that the actual economic data itself cannot be trusted and maybe there's a larger
conspiracy among economists to thwart him. this reporting showing the depths of the president's conspiracy theory world view. real simple, the data is the data. second, if you take the view maybe people do within reason skew some things towards their goals, let's remember these leading economists they lean right. and towards the gop, not left or socialist or against it. while trump may have stop some details wrong, it is true a bad economy hurts the incumbent president almost every time. since the civil war, only one president has won re-election when a recession hit in the final two years of their term. and that's not a recent president. it was over a century ago, a time when think about it, the bad news that we're talking about tonight that's getting out, the bad news that might hurt trump if the slumps continue, back then it didn't spread as fast, there wasn't a daily national media updating everyone on a vision of the national economy. so where does all this leave america heading into this
weekend? we've had weeks of race-baiting and divisioning from this president, very real jitters over the markets and his trade war. questions about what trump will do if his economic and political position gets more desperate. those rough realities may sink in for many and this is a president with a level of approval that can't afforded to lose hardly anyone. so it is worth as you know the facts because you're watching the news and we deal in the facts here, it is also worth hearing how she's these realities are dealt with inside the maga universe because at the president's new rally, we didn't see bad news rebutted so much as denied and distracted away replaced with a kind of meandering stadium set list that the could leave even hard-core fans somewhat confused. >> is there anything better than a trump rally? and remember when they used to say that the hillary clinton campaign highly sophisticated. highly so fis -- she did a lot
of bad things, folks. i will tell you this. we now have a great attorney general. by the way, the wall is being built. by the way, the wall is being built. that guy's got a serious weight problem. go home. start exercising. got a bigger problem than i do. there's never been a movement like this never. our movement is built on love and it is. >> i'm joined by columnist michelle goldberg whose latest piece is "was trump as president, the world is spiraling into chaos," and juanita toliver. juanita, is the movement built on love? and what do you make of trump's predicament? >> the movement is based on lies. we saw that on full display in new hampshire where he honestly is working every single day to deflect attention from the fact that one, his recession is impending and two, the reality
is, he and his trade war are exacerbating the situation. he didn't have to do any of that. he didn't have to escalate things with china, he didn't have the to change tariff programs hurting farmers and people every day in this country but he created an economic situation that's going to be exacerbating this upcoming recession and now his play is to lie and deflect. i don't think there's anything else to expect from him but that. as we get further noor 2020. >> and juanita, look at his numbers which are low. it's become sort of commonplace new politics to discuss the fact that his numbers don't move. they probably don't move much because they're so low. if you're stuck at 40, 41, you're dealing with the hard-core partisan base. does that in your mind, explain some of why we're seeing these new reports that trump, whatever he says in public is privately nervous? >> absolutely. his numbers are already low and those approval ratings are
linked largely to the economy. so if the economy tanks, then he has nothing left. but except for like a long history of broken props around taxes, around trade, around health care. all of the things that he has not delivered on that he promised whether in the 2016 campaign trail or as president. so he honestly has nowhere to run here. >> michelle, your view of all this and of that sound we heard from the rally and i do think although we don't broadcast the entire rally, i think it's a reminder what he does and where he's taking his folks. did you find that sort of reandering or telling in any way because it was certainly all over the map? >> i guess the one thing i would maybe disagree with juanita about, i don't think his approval ratings low as they are, the people who approve of him i don't think it's because of his performance on the economy. i think it's because he says send them back and you know denigrates people of color, denigrates religious minorities, right. >> like embodies this kind of
bullying patriarchal model that people missed when it went out of fashion. so i think that he will just as he did in 2018, right? he didn't run on the tax cuts. they're extraordinarily unpopular. a lot of people in this country feel their own personal economic situation is precarious even if they say the economy is doing well. one thing we've seen in this era is perceptions of the economy are increasingly polarized by partisanship and so he may very well just do, if there's a recession, he might simply deny it, the same way you have him saying the wall's being built. the way he deals with inconvenient facts is just to lie to a base that's in a kind of her met particularly epis tem mo logical bubble. if you're at 40%. >> sounds comfy. like a bean bag chair. >> a recession is obviously not going to help you.
>> right. that goes to sort of the two sides of that it's polarizing but then there's a breaking point if people are hurting enough. juanita, this is not a presidential debate but your names and views were mentioned by the other guests. so you get to respond. >> allow me to respond, ari. >> and you get more than 15 seconds. >> oh, what a gift. but you're absolutely right. i do think that a lot of his base is excited by the fact that he continues to pivot back to his racist statements and disgusting slurs and attacks and targeting people of color. but i do think there is part of the base that is no matter how much they want to reject the notion they're being hurt by his policies they're going to have to face it when it's harder to pay rent and make ends meet meet. >> maybe this is overly optimist optimistic. you both are driving the nuance of something important, which is whether the fake news deny
everything strategy runs into a brick wall on these economic issues in a way that might wake people up and take them out of what you referred to as this her met particularly seed cave. if there's a wakeup moment because trump has done the opposite, take a listen to him on the data. >> the unemployment number as you know is totally fiction. >> these are real unemployment numbers. the 5% figuring is one of the biggest hoaxes in american modern politics. >> the jobs numbers are phony numbers. they were put there you to make politicians look good in particular presidents look good. >> michelle? >> my sense is if it does happen and to be clear, we don't know there's going to be a recession. like a slow down of some sort. but whether or not it is dramatic enough that people feel it personally in their own lives i don't think we know. we also don't know the again, because we're so polarized if
you look what's happened with some of the trump supporting farmers an, it took a long time for their confidence in him to be shaken and he's out there taking a meat cleaver to their livelihoods. it's for a long, long time, they've retained their faith in him and many of them still have it. so again, i just don't think we know how the tied economic performance is to partisan approval. >> in fairness, michelle, what about all the brand-new coal mines that have reopened? >> we're in a manufacturing it recession right now. >> it's just a coal mine joke. >> but these jobs he has said that he's going to bring back specifically, coal mine jobs, manufacturing jobs, right? those jobs, there are fewer of those jobs than there were when he took office. and it's not clear to me yet that that has really hurt him with his base. >> wau neat ta, final word to you building on michelle's point.
my reference to the coal mines it would be great if there was a resurgence and it's not really the president's job to put it in conservative rhetoric to pick winners and losers within different industries. there's nothing conservative saying you want more of this and less of that because there's a cartoonish notion of who has what jobs and where they would be. that's exactly what the president ran on in 2016 to michelle's point and to the jitters in the market, the broader economic picture has not taken that hit yet. at the same time, the results he promised aren't really there yet. a final word, juanita. >> those broken promises are stacking up. as people sit at home without jobs, the manufacturing jobs that have left the country, those farmer who have soy product and dairy product that aren't moving because of his trade war, they're feeling it. i think that's what they're going to take to the polls. >> juanita and michelle goldberg did, thanks to both of you. absolutely. great to see you both. so much ahead. now, there is more details about
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good to see you, sir. what does cory lewandowski akno and how would it assist an obstruction probe? >> it's critical, one of the points in the mueller report. he submitted to interviews on the an least two dates. he outlined a request by the president in two different meetings. the first meeting he was asked to go to sessions, the attorney general, ask him to praise how trump didn't have anything to do with russians and to encourage the attorney general to limit the ongoing investigation of the special counsel to prospective elections. he tried to do that and came back to a second meeting and said he had gone to dearborn. the significance in the mueller report is that they outlined what this meant and what it meant was that there was an obstructive act because there was a nex to us an ongoing grand jury investigation. and they believed that there was clearly intent. so his testimony under oath
before the judiciary committee would translate into a pretty fair description of obstruction of justice by trump. of course, we have to wonder whether or not his agreement today to appear before the judiciary committee isn't a head fake and one day before his appearance we won't hear about some use immunity or something that should block him from appearing. presently he says he'll be there. we'll wait and see if he shows up september 17th. >> how would you advise the committee to deal with a witness like this? mueller was basically able to table and defer a lot of questions. of course, he was speaking an as a former government official with some credibility. here have you someone who, i've mentioned this on the show and i like to keep my viewers involved in the transparency of this. i've spoken to mr. lewandowski since our reporting where we played things he said about the issue that were proven false by the mueller report. i've invited him back on.
he hasn't come back yet. what do you do with a witness who has proven willing to tell falsehoods? which shows he's got a bifurcated brain i'm going to say it one way on the news and another way under oath. >> i guess he figures no one's going to prosecute him. that's one of the problems. we hold them in contempt and think the ag's office, the u.s. attorney is going to prosecute them for contempt. that's not going to happen. we go to court and they do more delay. it's time they considered using their inherent powers, the ones that were used back in the teapot dome. there's a case mcgrain dense daugherty who was the attorney general who was believed to by misfeasance failed to prosecute you know, conspiracies to affect our trade. >> you're talking about jailing them inside the capital. >> absolutely. it's about time these people
stopped using about using their inherent powers for a penalty or fine which they would need the court to enforce. instead they can have the sergeant at arms appoint a deputy and if they fail to testify, put them in custody. there's no reason why they shouldn't do it. this is a constitutional crisis of historic dimensions. every day we have a new act or other that is erring on the side of despotism. the general conversation is we have something like a madeup dictator in the west wing. i think it's time we act affirmatively and forcefully because the nation is suffering because of who is now the thief of state. >> when you lay it out like that to some people it may sound extreme or strong but as you say, there are precedents for it and statutory constitutional structure for it which is do you ever march anyone right out of the committee room and into a jail. it would be a big debate but john, you always keep us thinking. thanks for being here. >> thank you. >> yes, sir. up ahead, new reporting on
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when we take it together, have we hit the breaking point? >> no, but we will soon. that's the claim or the conclusion of the one of the most recent governmental panel on climate change, the ipcc report. everybody, we have a chance to do this right to save the world for humans. the earth's going to be here no matter what we do. we want to save it for us for us humans. and so the current administration is taking extraordinary steps in the wrong direction. >> you mentioned the administration. take a listen to donald trump on the issue. >> so hot in here, maybe i'll start to believe it myself. who believes in global warming? who believes in global warming? so obama's talking about all of this with the global warming and -- a lot of it is a hoax. it's a money making industry, okay? it's a hoax. >> is there climate change? yeah. will it go back like this?
will it change back? probably. >> plenty to choose from there. i guess i ask you one, will it change back and two, does his type of bluster make it harder for scientists to get their jobs and their work to matter? >> well, of course. of course it makes -- his bluster is very troubling. and it makes it harder for everybody. instead of being the world leader technologically in addressing climate change, the united states has become a pariah. people my colleagues on other continents are very concerned about the united states' lack of initiative. i've been to greenland. and it really is amazing when you go to the glaciers and watch them melt, when you go to the middle of the ice sheet, the east greenland ice core research project, there's nothing but ice and so we pull up ice cores of ancient water, ancient ice that contained bubs of ancient sphere
and the world's never gotten this warm this fast. that's the key, everybody. it's the speed at which things are getting warmer. and along the latest news for us on the science side is this idea that you could tie endangered species to profits. to money. and it's just sort of old fashioned thinking that somehow you can manage resources and eliminate species and ecosystems and still count on everything working okay. you reduce diversity and ecosystems, biodiversity, the systems are less resilient. that is to say the animals and plants living there have a much harder time getting into the future. it becomes a desert. becomes a swamp without living things in it. this is very well established science. having the administration continually fight against science is really troubling. i think what's going to happen very soon is farmers, people in
the heartland are feeling the effects of climate change. their croplands are drying out faster than they used to. parasites and pests are showing up sooner in the growing season and sticking around longer which requires more inputs, more pesticides and herbicides more mechanical removal of weeds. this is costly. then there's more flooding. so this is the time, everybody, to address this. i just want to disabuse everybody of a common notion. people say to me, bill nye, science educator, guy, what can i do about climate change? well, yes, recycling bottles is good. that's a good thing. not using more energy than you need, not wasting -- those are good things. we need big ideas, ari. we need big changes. we need sweeping changes in the way we're doing business. so to have a guy as a department the head of the department of interior who is tied to the
fossil fuel industry, the extractive zriz of mining and oil and gas is probably not in anybody's best interests. what impresses me so much, go ahead, please. >> well, i've got 30 seconds left. are you -- while those are baby steps, you don't want people patting themselves on the back and saying i'm thinking local so i don't have to do the international politics which seems to be where this fate of the human race on earth will be decided in kind of the from agee logical perspective, kind of thener near term? >> yeah, we have to think big. i tell everybody please vote. if you don't do anything else, please vote and take the environment into account when you vote no matter which side of the red or blue you're on, just take the environment into account. this is our time. we just celebrated landing on the moon, walking on the moon. 50 years. amazing because we threw money at the problem. by just reasonable reasoning
there was at least one within and a third, one and a half interstate highway systems in cost. if you throw that kind of money at something, we can get her done. let's go, people. >> i feel like you're saying it takes some green to be green, bill. >> yeah. exactly. >> i love that having you on. this was your first time. we tweeted out. our viewers some of them engaged with at "the beat" with ari were thrilled you're doing it. come back, sir. >> hit me the ball as we say. we can do this everybody. i've got lots of specific ideas for you so that we can dare i say it, change the world. >> let's change the world. let's save the world. we'll put you in coach again and i hope you have a great weekend, bill. >> thank you, sir. carry on. >> we have a lot in the show. a big announcement coming up tonight. new findings about the mysterious death of jeffrey epstein in a trump-run jail and the biggest issues facing women in the age of trump. we'll speak live to the very new editor-in-chief of cosmo magazine and then this snan
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tonight, new york's chief medical examiner announced that jeffrey epstein's cause of death was suicide by hanging. this comes while his alled victims continue to seek justice. one accuser filing a new lawsuit and this is not because he died but rather a brand-new rule in new york that allows accusers more time to file these new suits. now i want to turn to a special guest, someone breaking ground on many major stories right now. this is the first time on "the beat" for the new editor-in-chief of "cosmopolitan" magazine jessica pels. the youngest such editor ever in the magazine which bills itself as a funny take on the news is increasingly covering policy and politics. profiling a top secret investigator infiltrating hate
groups to try to stop the most violent men in the country. other news organizations touted that story as a must read. we should mention the magazine's been covering 2020 and since pel took over, the website has now jumped to 26 million more visitors in the course of a year which may be why contract "new york times" has profiled her highlighting more digital experience than all past editors in chief. jessica completelies on the beat, thanks for doing this. >> thanks for having me. >> what do you think is important in how you're approach these stories? we mentioned that work on tracking hate and the role of sexism and misogyny. why do you think as we mentioned for our viewers interested in the way politics and civic engagement is changing especially for young people in the trump era, why are you finding more eyeballs for that? >> so cosmo is the litmus and voice for all things millennial culture. our audience is 81 million
strong. young women care a lot what's going on in the world around them and how it impacts their safety and success. a story like the savants is an unfortunately timely story to tell. it's important because of the devastatingly proud moment to misogyny is having between mens rights activists on line and the dark histories a lot of mass shooters in this country have. it was a timely story and it's a once in a lifetime kind of thing for us to be able to reveal. we worked really hard on it for an entire year. >> and the way you put it, i think for viewers thinking about 2020 thinking about these candidates how they reach people, if you're reaching tens of millions of young people who could be involved who could be a voting block, how do you view that? when you tell a story like that, are you saying you need to know about this and the role of this online misogyny and potential
violence against people, against women, mass shootings because it's important to know or also saying there's something you can do about it or back gun role? >> it's largely about gun control. we pole our audience all the time, during the debateses, during the debates to see what their attitudes are in terms of election. gun reform is a huge issue. the first issue is health care, not just because after the attacks on reproductive rights but because of cost and access. these are all things that she's juggling all of the time. we're making sure she has the full perspective. in regard to the savant, the interesting thing is we're not seeing the stories of the men she does catch. it's her misses who make headlines. that's a devastating thing for her as a person after el paso, for example, she took it personally she hadn't caught that shooter and that's a hard burden to bear alone. >> hmm. i also want to ask you about all
the women running for president. everyone knows more than ever before. take a look how this gender issue comes up sometimes on the trail. >> a record number of women, winning in the midterms and yet today, "the new york times" is reporting some top democrats are still asking the question, can a woman be elected president. >> are you sick of all -- >> i think joe biden would be a great running mate as vice president. he's proven he knows how to do the job. >> kamala aggressive and prosecutorial sense. i don't know if he's likable. >> democrat women felt they should vote for a man this time. what do you think when you hear that. >> i think may the best woman win. >> my final question to you is how do you running this magazine address those issues, cover that and speak to younger voters who as you know and i think as our audience knows we'll remind folks the actual data overwhelmingly broke with their older generations or their
parents in opposing donald trump? >> well, first of all, my audience and i find it thrilling that there is a record breaking number of female candidates for president. but what's interesting is that in the last debate, my audience, 66% of them said that gender is actually not a deciding factor in who they will vote for in the election for the majority of them, age and race are not either. what they're most concerned about are positions and a candidate who can get trump out of office. right now from my audience, that seems like biden. we'll see if he can stay in the lead. >> that's really interesting coming from you given the work you're doing and for us to learn from you because cosmo here is clearly as it's long been clearly a growing force. i hope you'll come back on "the beat," jessica. >> me, too. >> we'll fit in a break and then a very special fallback friday coming up. and then a very special fallback friday coming up. with fidelity wealth management you get straightforward advice, tailored recommendations,
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now we turn to some 2020 news you need to see. in american politics, there's a split how we experience campaigns. on one level there's the serious stuff, the debates, the interviews, policy papers. but then out on the campaign trail there's all this other stuff where candidates are supposed to have fun and hang out and be down to earth. it's sort of the political nerd equivalent that have tabloid "us" magazine feature stars. they're just like us. and now one of the newest
candidates hon just made the strict cut as one of the nine candidates for that next debate andrew yang is following the tradition with this dance in south carolina. >> to the right. hey, i see you. to the left. ♪ >> we need some more. hey. ♪ to the right. ♪ they got a brand-new dance >> yang showing a practiced knowledge of the cupid shuffle a 2007 hit that's found something of a second life at weddings bar mitzvahs and other festivities across the nation. he's not alone. while bernie sanders made news this week for the he did with the rap cardsdy b, kamala harris has been showing her familiarity with "i like it," during a staff meeting. they call me cardi b.
i run all this like cardio and to paraphrase, you can't win this primary without using a lot of those coins. here she was with a drum line in south carolina. >> these moments tend to work best for candidates when they're real. you lean into the song you know, you don't just do it for the gram. that appears to be the case in this case, elizabeth warren backstage before an ohio speech loosening up to the 1964 classic "hang on sloopy." this video uploaded by former obama digital director who warren hired for her campaign. ♪
>> it's way broader than american politics. theresa may was dancing on this u.n. trip here. you see in nairobi. archaeologists say the earliest records of human dancing date back 5,000 years to ancient hadn't egypt and india. part of our real world communication and culture. it makes sense it's part of our politics. that's true even after well these types of political people make it to the white house. ♪ >> all right, you got a little move. hey. ♪ ♪ ♪
[ drums ] maybe there's a life lesson here. for most of us, just dance like nobody's watching. for candidates, somebody's always watching. but just keep on dancing. or as the great bob marley said, forget your weakness and dance. i'm going to fit in a break and then something that we're very excited about. our special fallback friday tonight next with snan savannah guthrie and the colbert show's john batiste. e and the colbert s john batiste investing strategies, and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. fidelity wealth management.
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it's time to fall back. joining me now is grammy nominated musician and composer jean batiste and a new album call anatomy of angels live. you catch him every week night as the band leader on "the late show" with stephen colbert. and we're thrilled to welcome emmy award winning gist savannah guthrie, nbc news chief legal correspondent, "new york times" best-selling author for her children's book, princesses wear pants. you it here. nice to see both of you.
there it is. two first-time fallback guests together. you guys look like chess pieces. you look incredible. >> we're ready to make beautiful music, right? >> let's do it. movin. >> savannah, what needs to fall back? >> ari, i've been meaning to talk to you about this. i think season two of any show needs to fallback, because even when it's good, it's bad. you know? like you're so excited, you love a show in season 1. i loved homeland, for example. season two, a disappointment. >> wow. "big little lies." i loved season one, but season two wasn't as good. i think season two is always a letdown. maybe skip right to season three or keep it at one season. >> so you believe in the sophomore jinx. >> i do. >> do you think people know season two is going to be hard to keep the naj? we haven't grown enough for the later season? >> i think it's a growing season, literally, because they're like well, we know the show was good enough.
people want more of it, but we didn't really think this far ahead to know what season two would be. by season three, they worked out the kinks. >> yes. >> even "madmen," season two was good but it could never be as good as season one. >> my issue with "madmen" was it was mostly meetings. and i have enough meetings at my real job. >> i don't know, man. season two is where they try to do what they did for season one but they know they can't repeat themselves. >> yes. >> so then you got to be well, let's zhuszh it a little bit. i think you got to quit while you're ahead. i agree. come on, season two, fallback. >> not to flip a fallback on to the other guest, we don't usually do that. >> oh, snap. >> a lot of artists struggle with their sophomore album. >> oh my goodness, that sucker come out, sometimes it's like yeah, other times. >> jay-z's widely considered worst album is the second album, and he says it was the expectations were raised but then he had to go bigger. he went too pop and he lost his
voice. and his later albums everyone oh, no, you're great again. >> you live your whole life building all these experiences into your first album. and that's your first album, your whole life's experience. and your second album is okay, we need another album. >> it's true. >> you didn't think about it. >> i just got to get to the summit. it's like climbing mt. everest and not knowing thou climb down. >> absolutely. not enough. it's like bombing, like chappelle says. bombing is the greatest thing that can happen to a comedian. >> because it frees you. >> well, got that out of my system. >> liberating. >> i know you're busy, so i don't how much you watch "the beat," because that's good news for us. we bomb pretty regularly when we do our jokes around here. all our bad jokes bomb. >> i don't believe that. >> ask around, savannah, ask around. >> jon, what's back on your fallback list? >> hot dog ice cream sandwich or
a hot dog and an ice cream sandwich put together, i can't mess with it. >> it's wrong. >> it ruins a child pastime of mine of getting an ice cream sandwich, the long once, sometimes the neapolitan with the three different flavors. and you have it after basketball or you're out skating or something. and you get an ice cream sandwich. now they're going to ruin my nostalgia and the imagery of my childhood by placing this hot dog flavored abomination in somebody's freezers. i'm going to go in somebody's freezer, what you got in there. >> first of all, we tackle the big issues here. so thank you for bringing this to the table. >> absolutely, i got to do it, ari. >> second of all, i think this applies to a lot of things with technology. this is sort of flavor science if you want to call it that the fact that we can now do things doesn't mean that they should all be done. >> yeah. just because you can doesn't mean you should. you know why i object to this? it's taking two good things and
making one bad thing. i love an ice cream sandwich and a hot dog, but i do not love a hot dog ice cream sandwich. >> no, exactly. >> i'm here to raise these issues. and i think i speak for all of women kind that the air conditioning in the office in summer is far too cold. it's freezing. it's like a meat locker. over at the "today" show in the studio, i swear they must hang meat overnight and then remove it because it's like 42 degrees in there. we can see our breath. all the guys are it's perfect, it's perfect. the girls are freezing. we have chills. i literally have a space heater in my office, in my own office just to keep it, there it is. my space heater which i think violates a 1030 rock rule. my contraband space heater. >> i didn't know we would have a scoop today. but "the times" article you're
citing is this is actual unseen systemic discrimination because the formula was devised by men who are wearing different outfits. >> i wouldn't come here without it being substantive. of course it's important. the office thermostat is often for it's 68 degrees or so. these buildings were built for a time in the '50s and the '60s when it was men going to work in three-piece suits, and they have not caught up with the times. and women are. cog to work and they're cold and they're having to wear blankets and have space heaters. we're not going to take it anymore. >> yeah, i wouldn't take it. i'm from the south. i don't even like air conditioning. >> you know what? i don't like air conditioning either. i'm from arizona. it gets too cold. >> oh, yeah, what part? >> tucson. >> hotel congress. >> that's right. >> jon batiste, honor to have you here. savannah guthrie, long-time fan, first time having you. >> i hope to come back. >> i'd love to come on the "today" show with you.
we'd love to have you as a fallback regular. >> i would be honored. >> count on it. and before everyone goes, one more thing, up tonight on our youtube page we have an extended one-on-one interview with our friend right here jon batiste. we're talking about that new album i mentioned as to why he wants to, quote, make jazz great again. well get into all of that. as i mentioned on the show sometimes, we post these things in multiple places depending how you want to find them. youtube if you're into that or right here on a podcast, that extra interview which hasn't aired anywhere yet with jon batiste will be up on the podcast this weekend as well. check it out. now we have one more thing before we go. bill nye the science thing was here, debut on "the beat" talking about big ideas for climate change, investing in the future. we did want to leave you with one more thing from bill nye on his instagram page. he makes these important points in his bill nye colorful way. >> so here it is, people. i'm going to level with you. the real reason you should do your part to combat climate change is it will make you
filthy [ bleep ] rich. can you imagine how much sweet, sweet cabbage you will be piling up if you could invent a cleaner energy source or help develop carbon capture technology. so go green and get green. >> bottom line, thank you, bill nye. thanks again, savannah guthrie and jon batiste. and thanks for watching "the beat." i'll be on later if you happen to be around, filling in for lawrence o'donnell tonight. but don't go anywhere now. "hardball" is up next. three strikes. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. president trump has put all his marbles on the economy, and tonight on "hardball," two of his former aides, anthony scaramucci and omarosa manigault newman worry he may be l