tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC August 23, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
call, click, or visit a store today. up next, a special edition of all in with chris hayes in front of a live studio audience. that starts right now. >> tonight, on a special edition of all in before a live studio audience. >> we have initiated our domestic terrorism hate crimes sale. >> the resurgence of america's original terror threat. once again, markets crater after a reckless trump tweet. and barack obama's white house photographer is here. >> i think at this point we're like an old couple. now, live, here's chris haste. -- chris hayes. >> good to see you.
thank you. thank you very much. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. that was impressive. thank you very much. thank you. we've got a full house here in rockefeller center tonight. all your lovely faces, thank you for being with us and for being with us at home. it's friday in the age of trump. that's the end of another deeply confusing, upsetting and unnerving week with lots of weird pronouncements and actions and tweets. the president wanted to buy greenland. i don't know. it looked so big on the map. there's been a lot going on this week. but there's something else that's been happening away from the spotlight. away from the president that i've been thinking about a lot. in the last three weeks since the killings in el paso, there have been at least six arrests of white supremacists who have allegedly been plotting or threatening violence.
one, who was arrested said he was thankful that donald trump will, quote, launch a race war. another was talking about a plot against a jewish community center and the guy they found had an arsenal that included a 40 caliber anti-tank gun. of course, all this is like i said, it's just in the period since a white supremacist drove himself down to el paso for the explicit purpose of committing mass murder against hispanics in order to drive hispanics from the country and change the demographic composition of the country. all motivated by an obsession with a nonexistent invasion that the president and hisl lies are constantly talking about. we've seen this in the wake of el paso. there's been a wakeup call. people are like what's going on? there's increasingly calls to take white supremacist terrorism seriously in the united states.
domestic extremists killed at least 50 people in the last year. that does not count what happened in el paso. and a lot of people are making the point, you hear it a lot, right, if there were isis, if there were isis, we would view it as an existential threat. right? i mean, after al qaeda terrorists killed 3,000 americans, we made complete changes into the nature of the american state and how we live our lives. 18 years after a guy tried to light his shoe on fire, right? we still take our shoes off at the airport, unless you're smart enough to get that tsa. but the comparison to jihadi terrorism makes sense. it's weird for this reason. you don't actually have to look abroad to some foreign analog, some terrorist entity like isis for the threat of american white
supremacists seeking to use violence to impose a white ethno-state in america. right? that's an american tradition. in fact, it's not just an american tradition. it's really the inception of what terrorism in america is. i mean, first there were white settlers and they often used terror and violence to take lands from indigenous peoples but then the really first terrorist organization in america was made up of white supremacist force aftermatter of fact civil war. they arose because they didn't like the demographic change that was happening. right? they wanted to preserve a white man's republic above all else. they used their weapons to terrorize free back people of the south. they slaughtered and murdered people in memphis, tennessee in 1866. they slaughtered and murdered people with the backing of a local militia in sheriffs in 1866 in new orleans.
they organized the klu klux klan for night raids. they shot people in the dead of night. they ransacked people's homes. they left nooses. they roughed black people up on the way to the polls. you know, there were more than 2000 murders in the state of kansas in the election related to the election of 1868. mostly black people and republicans. all of this was done, all of it with the explicit purpose of what that individual went down to el paso to do. what he wanted. to stem the tide of the erosion of the demographic power in american democracy for the white man. we are not taught about this history. i don't know about all of you. i was that the taught this history. i went to good public schools. ty didn't learn this history. but at the time, at the time it was the number one issue in the
country. when andrew johnson was president at the time and sort of tacitly, wink, wink, nudging this violence he would go around to speak and the crowds would heckle him and say what about new orleans? what about memphis? what about the white terrorism in the south you're doing nothing about? when johnson was succeeded by grant, the republicans had to pass three separate pieces of legislation to enforce the law against white terrorists themselves. they actually called them the enforcement acts. like, no, seriously, we mean it. and the third enforcement act was called the klu klux klan act. it's the first antiterrorism legislation in the country. it allows the president to suspend habeas corpus throughout the south. it was so dramatic because they were at their whit's ends about what to do about white supremacist terrorist violence. the grant administration under
the aegis of the newly created department of justice, one year earlier, they did something they hadn't done before. they start going in the south and prosecuting federal crimes against the klan. the white terrorists in the south were killing and burning and murdering and intimidating. they start prosecuting them in federal court because local courts won't arrest them, won't prosecute them, and local white juries will not convict them. and two things happened. one is they won that battle. they stamped out the klan. for a few decades. and the second is they lost the war. because the enforcement of anti-terrorism laws against white supremacists in the south ebbed when federal troops were taken out. when they were removed the violence came out, and this time the white supremacist violence throughout the south that extends to the 1930s through 70s, the lynching and atrocities
we all know, it worked. it was effective. the white terrorist violence in the south, the white nationalist terrorism, it accomplished the aim that the shooter in el paso explicitly said he wanted. it preserved the political power of white people for decades to come. and that is why white terrorism and white supremacist terrorism in this country is not some weird analog to al qaeda or isis. it's not some foreign thing that looks like something that we've been fighting in the war on terror. it's actually fundamentally as american as anything. and it is an existential threat to the multiracial pluralistic equal and open democracy that we've been fighting for in this country since people died on the battle field in a civil war. and here's the thing. right now these folks, it's unnerving to think about this, but they're organized. organized coordinated attempts
to use violence and intimidation again. the guy arrested in ohio this week for threatening to shoot up a jewish community center is in charlottesville. the guy next to him is the guy who drove his car into a crowd of people later that day murdering a woman. to me the lesson to the kkk act is that white supremacy as a force can never be e rradicated permanently, but with the will of the state violent terror can be vank wished, and our government's job, our president's job, our nation's job is to vanquish it. i want to talk to someone who fights against -- she's the sheyrl lynn, we've talked a lot about the federal government's role in this. i think of you as a civil rights
attorney. when you hear the discussion about white supremacist terrorism and see the arrests, what are you thinking about the kind of policy regime you want to see? >> well, thank you, chris. i'm so glad you're having this conversation. what i think is very much connected to what you said, that it was the marshaling of the power of the federal government that played the most important role in pushing back white supremacists violence and terror. you describe the enforcement acts and the klu klux klan acts. these were passed during reconstruction. the first passed since reconstruction was the civil rights act of 1957 which created the department of justice. and the department of justice played a vital role in the late 1950 s and in the early 1960s in addressing the role of white supremacist violence. if we think about the bombing of the birmingham church. if we think about the killing of goodman, chaenny, all of these
acts of white supremacist violence were investigated by people in the justice department who, by the way, was a white republican, and burke marshal who headed the civil rights division. it was the creation of the civil rights division that focussed that attention. remember, for decades before that, congress refused to pass an anti-lynching statute. we had no civil rights legislation. then we get the department of justice in the civil rights act of 1957 which is in power to protect african americans in the right to vote. to investigate these kinds of racially motivated crimes to coordinate with other departments within the department of justice to try and address this issue. it doesn't mean that we haven't had any white supremacist violence in the last few decades. but what it does mean is that the marshaling of that apparatus toward this violence was important. then we had the passage of the hate crimes legislation. the matthew shepherd james bird hate crimes act.
once again showing a targeted intention of the federal government in the justice department. what we do not have at this moment despite everything you described at the top of the hour, chris, and the moment that we're in, is we have no concerted plan. we have no concerted articulation. we have no sense of urgency that has been communicated to the public about the department of justice and the need to lean in to this white supremacist violence. >> how much does it matter, the leadership at the top? i know it matters a tremendous amount in civil rights enforcement, areas you work in, what the education department is doing, what we're doing about redlining, the enforcement of laws on the books. how much does it matter to have this president or to have a president who very clearly doesn't care about this? >> well, it's interesting, chris. you know, your colleague rachel maddow always says don't just listen to the words. listen to what he does. in this area the words align with the policy actions.
the president making a false equivalency in charlottesville. fine people on both sides. the deflection to talking about urban crime in places like chicago. the denigration of places like baltimore. all of this to turn attention away from what ought to be the focus of this president as the leader who has the bully pulpit who should be bringing americans together and be articulating the ways in which this kind of violence is something that should be in our rear-view mirror and tears us apart. this week when we have seen as you point out these arrests of these six individuals since el paso, what did he hear attorney general barr talking about? we heard him talking newly elected progressive prosecutors, state prosecutors. >> right. >> in places like massachusetts. so almost like the president, the attorney general rather than demonstrating his intention to marshal his resources to his areas of work where his team ought to be leaning in, is
instead, also deflecting. and now trying to talk about urban crime and talking about progressive prosecutors. so you see alignment. this is what i think is most disturbing. this is our department of justice. we have the right to expect the federal government to use its power, it's power through the fbi. we have asked over and over again civil rights organizations sent a letter to jeff sessions in october of 2018 as we saw this rise asking him to articulate the plan to deal with hate crimes. and we've heard nothing from jeff sessions and now we've heard nothing from attorney general barr that demonstrates his understanding of the urgency of this issue. >> i always learn a ton from you. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. senator chris murphy is trying to work with the white house on something. he's going to be here and we're going to talk about it. don't go anywhere. this is rick blomquist.
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about. it makes you wonder about the capacity and fitness of the man in charge. the nation's business is still to do. chris murphy is actively working with the white house to try to get something done on background checks. senator chris murphy of connecticut is here right now. how are you? >> thank you for having me. i thought we agreed we were going to wear ties. >> you look very sharp, senator. >> you tweeted i spoke with the white house today. they have not walked back from background checks. i am skeptical we can reach consensus. i'm willing to stay at the table for the next few weeks. maybe i'm a fool for trying but stakes are too high. >> i wear my fears on my sleeves with this white house.
i've been there before. the parkland, the meeting tell sized. the president said he was going to work toward strong background checks. he nearly sent dianne feinstein by telling her she might work with her on an assault weapons ban, and a day later the nra came into his office and things changed. two weeks later despite the reporting the white house is still tell mana still telling me they want to see if there's common ground to find on background checks. if we can get them extended to gun shows and online sales, we'll save lives. this is a life or death debate we're having here. i just -- i get it. i get it that the football may be pulled out again as i run up to kick it this time, but i feel like i've got to give it a shot. >> here's what i find interesting watching this all play out.
you know, the president is a strange person. but he has -- he has some political instincts that are good. you can watch him almost in realtime be cross pressured in this. you can see that he understands that background checks are popular. you can see it in the way he talks about it, and then a wayne la pier calls him up. you can see him trying to get out of this trap. do you think you can extract him from it? the problem is you can never be the last person to talk to him. wayne is coming in the office after you. >> i'm not talking to him in his office. the politics have changed. and they have changed radically. even from 2016 to 2018, all a sudden this is an issue that swing voters vote on that turns out young people to the polls. and yes, it may be that donald trump gets it. it may be the reason mitch mcconnell has opened the door to
a possible debate in the united states senate is he's not really interested in sending out all of these vulnerable 2020 senate republicans without taking a vote on background checks. that is proof of what we have been attempting to do for the last seven years which is to build a political movement around anti-gun violence that is as strong if not stronger than the gun lobby. >> i saw this article about the mental health proposal being floated. the more i hear him talk about mental health, the more freaked out i get. it seems like -- like sci fi distaupe ya. they want to do something like darpa, the pentagon research association called harpa. it's going to develop breakthrough technologies with sensitive if i early diagnosis. apple watches, fitbits, amazon echo and google home.
this -- whatever they're going on guns, the mental health stuff strikes me as genuinely scary stuff. >> and listen, this is a very difficult issue to talk about. we absolutely do need more research into the intersection of the brain and the instincts to violence. but donald trump is probably not the guy to thread that needle. i just think every time we talk about this, we need to put the facts on the table. the facts are if you're living with mental illness today, you are much more likely to have the victim of violence than the perpetrator. of all the people in this country who have ever committed a homicide, less than 5% have a diagnosed mental illness and less than have the people who committed mass atrocities have been diagnosed. >> senator chris murphy, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you.
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the insanity that we live through, because he constantly is posting in response to the news. and he's showing what it was like when we had a president who was not this one. it was a person who i think in it's fair to say was in so many ways personality-wise, in every way the opposite. he was self-controlled. disciplined, empathetic, and he turned some of those photos into a book. it's called shade, a tale of two presidents. it's coming out with new pictures. joining me now, pete souza. [ applause ] >> have a seat. so you started photographing barack obama the first day he's sworn in as a u.s. senator when you're sworn in? >> i was based in d.c., working
for the tribune when he was elected to the senate in '04 and joined up with him that first day that he was sworn in. >> you know, you have these sort of images like this one where he's walking down the street and no one knows it's barack obama. it's interesting he had this obviously he had a natural profile because of the speech at the convention. the early years of him as a senator, he was not very far removed from being a guy that took the car to the car wash. >> he still had school loans. this picture was on a trip to russia. so we're, like, this is a sidewalk in red square. >> amazing. >> he's walking around red square and not a single person recognized him. i was very conscious of that. because i knew, you know, if he ever did become president that this scene would never be rep t repeated. i don't think he could go to red square now. >> no. what was your impression of him
those early years before he's president of the united states. his general personality and how he carried himself? >> very laid back. for a photojournalist, was an amazing subject in that the presence of my camera, my presence, taking pictures, did not bother him in the least. i mean, i use what i call a small footprint. meaning i'm not using a loud motor drive, and i'm trying to be quiet about how i went about my business. but he was very unusual and just the presence of my camera not affecting him one way or the other. >> do you think that was something about the kind of person he was? >> i think so. >> how so? >> i think being brought up in hawaii. you know? people in hawaii are -- he was born in hawaii. i don't know if you knew that. [ applause ] >> i forgot where we ended up on that whole thing.
>> he's a laid back guy. he still is. >> you then started -- you were photographing him for the trip, and then you went to work at the white house. second white house you've worked in, and he's sworn in amidst just the world is falling apart. and you're there through all these moments of unbelievable high stakes and stress. >> especially those first few years, trying to get us out of what was the greatest recession since the great depression, and he's working every weekend. i mean, i was there every saturday and sunday. he had meetings with his economic team, trying to figure out what levers he can push to try to right the economy. so yeah, it was a very stressful time. >> this is maybe one of the moments of maximum stress. it's also one of the most famous photographs not just you've taken but i think in the modern era, honestly. this is the night that the bin
laden raid happens. tell us about what that was like to be in that room. >> well, we were in that room for 40 minutes. they were monitoring the raid as it happened in realtime. people jammed into this little conference room right across from the main situation room. because this is where the communications link had been set up. they did not know that the president wanted to be there while the raid was taking place. so it was sort of a little unexpected. he walked into the room. brigadier general webb you see at the head of the table saw the president of the united states walked in, stood up to give up his chair. president obama said to him, you stay right where you are. you've got work to do. i'll just pull up a chair next to you. which is why he's seated where he is. i'd also like to point out the people -- you've got the most important powerful people in the executive branch of our government all in this room at the same time, and they're essentially powerless. there's nothing they can do to
effect the outcome of what they're monitoring. it's up to those guys on the ground. they made their decision in the days and weeks before. and now it's up to those guys on the ground, and all they can do is watch. >> what is it like? you had worked in the reagan white house and obviously you're used to this. you were a photo journalist, but you're in that room too. >> yeah. >> all those people are in that room, and they are some of the most powerful people in the united states government. what is it like for you to be in that room? did you acclimation yourself so much to being in the situations that the stress didn't penetrate you? >> oh, no. i was stressed. i was stressed. it was a stressful situation. part of it was that room -- there were so many people jammed into that room that i picked a corner, and i couldn't really move at all. i can remember at one point my rear end hit a printer and the printer started printing. and bob gates looked at me and just kind of smiled.
>> you -- these are sort of some images that are the kind of, like, the most intense ones that you see the president there just the stress sort of aware. you can see it bearing down on him, but there's a lot of images you captured that show an extremely human side of the president and also the historic nature, obviously, of the first black president. there's one photo that again i think has an iconic view to it now. [ applause ] what's going on in that moment? >> this is a young jacob philadelphia. his dad worked for the foreign service, was leaving the white house. president obama invited the family for a family snapshot. i think jacob's mom said jacob has a president for you. imagine being five years old in the oval office and your mom just said you're going to ask the president of the united states a question. it was more like mr. president,
my friends say that my haircut is just like yours. and president obama bent over and said go ahead and touch it. and i got one frame, and it was over. >> that's it. that's the one. >> one frame. and i think the picture resonates for a couple reasons. one, you got a five-year-old african american kid touching the head of the president of the united states that looks like him. but two, i think it tells you something about barack obama. that at the behest of a young kid, you would go ahead and bend over and let that kid touch your head. [ applause ] >> i'm quite certain that wouldn't happen today. >> no, no. >> actually, i don't think we would want that to happen. >> lord knows what would happen. [ applause ] >> part of your job is being very close to this individual
and this couple. michelle obama has a great memoir she wrote. she talks about how hard it is, how hard it was for her and her family to go from private citizens to having the entirety of your life be public, and you -- there's some amazing photos you've taken of the two of them, but there are a lot of very intimate moments you're there to capture. >> yeah. this one in particular. this was inauguration night going from one inaugural ball to another. they're in a fright elevator. i kind of like this picture, because it shows what you're talking about. they're sharing this private moment, but you got the staff and secret service in the background. >> i like the side eye from the guy in the back. >> but that is the nature of being in that position. and i think, you know, i'm sure -- i mean, michelle talks about this. it's not easy to get used to
always being in the public eye like that. but somehow they managed. >> you clearly came to have a great, deep affection, friendship, with president obama. what was that -- the development of that relationship like? you're there all the time playing this role, and then you become friends? >> i think part of it is -- it's like a professional friendship mostly. and i sort of like to say to people that i was there for all the different compartments of his life. family pictures, stressful moments in the situation room. economics meetings on the weekend. and so i knew all these emotions, because i was in the room where it happened all the time. and i think that -- because of that, we have a bond that's never going to go away, because i knew exactly what he was experiencing from day today. >> it's so interesting. use say that, because it's such
a strange job. there's so much come papartment compartmentizing. you also did this, you were the deputy in reagan's white house. and you got to see him up close as well. and from what i've heard of interviews of you, you think highly of him, or thought highly of the president. >> i -- policy-wise, i wasn't necessarily aligned with him, but he was a decent human being, and to me, that's what mattered. i don't think -- like, i couldn't work for trump, because i don't respect him, and i just don't think he's a decent human being. [ applause but the reagan that i saw respected the office of the presidency and respected other people. >> i wanted to ask you about, and this clip that came out of reagan of calling these african
diplomats in the u.n. monkeys. >> very disturbing. >> a lot of people around him expressed surprise and they were upset. >> it was during the nixon administration, so it was many years before i knew him. i didn't see that at all when i was there. i did not know reagan nearly as well as i knew president obama, but i was in lots of private meetings, and i never saw that come out. so that was -- but it was still disturbing to hear. >> this is a picture, his final picture is a picture of our current president, president donald trump with president barack obama. 44 and 45 together. and it's i think snapped -- this is during their one meeting in the transition. is that right? >> this is actually on inauguration day. january 20th, 2017. and they were just about to leave the white house together to get in the limo and drive up
to the capital for the inauguration, and president obama pulled the incoming president aside to brief him on a national security issue. and there's not much confidence in the person on the left, i don't think. >> well, let me ask you this as a sort of final question. we watched you sort of develop over the course of the trump administration, the beginning there's subtle jabs. you know, that posting photos and something in the news. >> i have no idea what you're talking about. [ applause ] >> i mean, it's gotten less db i mean, it's clear where you stand on this president, and you seem like a fairly kind of retiring in the background sort of person in your nature. what is it that has sort of pushed you, nudged you to be more open and public about that? >> it didn't take much. it didn't take much.
to me, we have a president that lies to us all the time and bullies other people. i think disrespects the office of the presidency. and that's what bothers me the most. i mean, i've said this before where if, you know, jeb bush or june mccain or john kasich or another republican had become president, i wouldn't be doing this. even though i would vehemently disagree with some of their policies, i think all of them would have respected the office and would respect other people. >> yeah. [ applause ] >> pete souza, everybody. "the paperback of shade" is coming out october 27th. thank you for being with me. appreciate it. still ahead, a panel coming. join me. don't go anywhere.
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last week. and not be fired from your job and dragged out by security. not a pilot. not a surgeon, not an accountant, not a teacher. if donald trump were in virtually any other position of responsibility, action could already be underway to remove him from that role. here to discuss that with me michelle goldberg, metti hassan, and joy-ann reid. [ applause ] >> i heard this a million times but he did a good job of making the basic point. i remember talking to staff
during the send her back. if someone on my staff said that, you're done. >> absolutely. >> any environment. >> you violated eoc guidelines. >> literally guidelines. >> there's guidelines of -- >> to just take the two examples. imagine you're on an airline and the last thing you hear before take off is i'm the king of israel. right? sent by god. the second coming of god. seriously, imagine you're going to have surgery and the last thing you hear before the ether takes over, right, is i'm the king of israel. >> i'm a very stable genius. i'm a very stable genius. i wouldn't want to hear that as i'm going under the knife. i'm like a smart person. >> chosen by god would be worse. if you heard i'm chosen by god d you'd want to get off. >> if you're on a subway, you would move away from this person. >> you would. >> and a serious point, the
media has tiptoed around this subject for too long. there's been too much normalization. he does a crazy rant in the rose garden or a press conference and the next day too many journalists report the contents and don't say this crazed guy gave this crazy rant. we'll tell you what he said later. that should be the top story. >> that's true, but part of dealing with it, the opposite thing i see is you see stories about he's increasingly x. like, we say on the show the increasinglied a verb is banned. because it's like -- yes, this week was bad, but we've had 20 of these weeks. >> i feel like it's felt like something has to give since day one. the thing that's given is us. i mean, it's given, like our, our kind of sanity. our capacity to remember what a normal country and a normal presidency was like. but that -- because we're also
innert, and i struggle, how do you figure out what's worse when the baseline is already total chaos, total ineptness. i've gone back and forth over the course of the week. the greenland thing, in part because it wasn't even id logical. it was sout of left field. it was a weird fixation. it was a fixation somebody would have when they're really losing touch with reality. then i talked to tim o'brien on this network who wrote a book about trump, and he says he's always been like that. >> right. >> but isn't it the responsibility then, i think about those walk throughs he does because he's replaced his press secretary with himself. isn't there a responsibility for the journalists talking to him, because he essentially overruns them. he says insane things. they then ask him a normal thing they would ask jeb bush, and they en -- >> he also -- this is a savvy thing he does. we call it talking to the
shrubs. with the chopper going in the background. it's like you could barely hear and he points, and then if he doesn't like the question, he goes to someone else. he's created a whole situation in those briefings he gives where he can control follow-up questions or anything like that. >> what if one of the people who was questioning him simply said, mr. president, where is greenland? [ applause ] >> where is kashmir? he says, hindus, muslims, they don't get along. my 6-year-old could do a better answer than that. we take -- we laugh about it. we are also taking him seriously or literally or literally if not seriously. we have to call this stuff out. we need to take about the 25th amendment every day of the week. [ applause ] >> that's the point. >> we all know that. >> calling out or whatever -- there are two constitutional remedies.
there's the 25th amendment, which is a higher bar and there's impeachment. we can all talk all we want about the fact that we're watching this person, if he were the pilot of an airport or a ceo, he would be removed. the constitution remedies, as we talked about. they are there, it's a question of whether the democrats want to pursue it. >> the democrats are pursuing it. >> they are. >> that's a good point. >> pursuing it has very little to do with actually removing him and putting the country in stable hands. >> that's a great point. >> democrats are pursuing it to hold him accountable and have public reckoning with his criminality and obstruction of justice. the only people who can actually step in and say, this has gone too far, have shown no inclination to do so. that is the big political question is whether that starts to crack around the edges. >> which leads to today's news. i completely -- republicans sit there and basically --
republicans and a certain part have decide they had can tolerate this for a tax cut, a looser regulatory environment. that's the trade. he comes out of nowhere. he does this i hereby order thing. weird, creepy, totally bizarre. i said on twitter, i hereby order the cups to win the next 20 games, which they probably lost because it doesn't work that way. the markets are tanking. he is in a weird zone where he is doing active, tangible, material harm to the american economy day after day after day. [ applause ] >> just last week you had the man whose company runs -- you have billionaires raising money for him. despite the fact that he is destroying the very market that was the trade. the trade was supposed to be their wealth. there is silence among
republicans who only really exist to increase the wealth of big corporations and rich people. the rich people who are willing -- >> they have morphed. now it's also a personality cult. therefore, reasoned argument doesn't work. the republicans fall into lockstep. if he says jews are disloyal -- >> we have always wanted to buy greenland. >> this is where the fall is a test for this reason. it really will reveal the nature of the republican party. we will run an experiment. is it a cult of personality that revolves around donald trump or is it the interest of a certain strata of american society? if he keeps doing this on the trade stuff, they will come back to congress. the constitution gives congress the power over tariffs. if there's one thing that the
founders were clear about, it's that tariffs belong to congress. they have allowed him to, using this national security rational, i'm raising it, they can stop it if they want to. that will be the test. are they a cult of personality? >> do they have the fear -- think about what he is planning to do. this new round of tariffs would increase everything. something like 70% of what you buy in walmart is sourced from china. if you raise the prices -- that's tariffs. by 25% or 30%, you are essentially going to tank the u.s. economy just before christmas. if the republican party is that much of a cult -- i think to your point it's a religion at this point. kicking brown people out of the country is expensive. if you are willing to lose your farm, willing to lose everything because you hate brown people so much you are willing to literally kill yourself economically for it. it's insane. >> on the cult point, his national economic adviser
defends tariffs on tv. three years ago, republicans in the country were hawks on russia and free traders. now they like tariffs and they are doves. this is the power -- it's amazing. what on earth happened? how did this guy from "home alone ii" come along and transform an entire political movement? he did it. >> i think -- i am in -- michelle, i'm in the camp that thinks that the economy is actually the big weakness. some people think his floor is his floor, it doesn't matter. i think it's the jenga piece. there's no way donald trump can get to 20% approval absent a recession. i think a recession would do that. >> it's right for two reasons. it's harder to lie about. you can tell people the wall is being built. you can tell people that we are respected all over the world. you can't tell people they have a job or that they got a raise if they didn't. people are aware of it in a way that they maybe are not aware of other ways he is trashing american power.
also, it's the central thing that he promised. they say, he might be crazy, he might say wild things, he but he has this business genius. that's where you can show the emperor is naked. >> i hope we don't have a recession. we may find out. thank you all. much, much, much, much more of our special coming up next. don't go anywhere. st usaa more y other company out there. they give us excellent customer service, every time. our 18 year old was in an accident. usaa took care of her car rental, and getting her car towed. all i had to take care of was making sure that my daughter was ok. if i met another veteran, and they were with another insurance company, i would tell them, you need to join usaa because they have better rates, and better service. we're the gomez family... we're the rivera family... we're the kirby family, and we are usaa members for life. get your auto insurance quote today.
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i hope to see you live in new york next friday, august 30th. that is "all in" for this evening and the moment you have been waiting for. good evening, rachel. >> my friend, i feel like i have seen the future of "all in." i have seen the future of cable news. this was freaking fantastic. >> thank you very much. [ applause ] >> i'm sure nobody in the room will be able to hear you when you say this. just between you and me, did you dig it? >> i loved it. it's weird. i had this weird thing where i like when lots of people applaud me all the time. >> that's what makes me barf. that's the difference between us. it was incredible. it was so much fun to watch. you should do it all the time. i will never do it. i will always want you to do it. >> thanks very much. >> it was great. it was spectacular. that was awesome.