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arrested today on capitol hill in various senators' offices and giving you the power to actually lower your cost. offices of senators both in the democratic and republican party all protesting against menashi's unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. nomination. watch for that confirmation hearing tomorrow. they're trying to make that go quickly and quietly but i think that it won't. now that you know the truth... that does it for us tonight. quickly and quietly but i think are you in good hands? that it won't. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again tomorrow. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. [horn honks] >> good evening, rachel. man this is what i feel like when i wear regular shoes, the american academy of political and social science cramped and uncomfortable. every year now awards the we can arrange a little upgrade. which is why i wear skechers... moynihan prize in honor of wide fit shoes. daniel patrick moynihan. they have extra room throughout. they're like a luxury ride for my feet. try skechers wide fit shoes. they choose someone that represents that combination of "have you lost weight?" they're like a luxury ride for my feet. of course i have- scholarly achievement that ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... professor moynihan did and the ...and choose any car in the aisle. similar achievement in and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. government service as senator and former ambassador to the united nations daniel patrick moynihan did. and this year's winner, to be at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. awarded on october 3rd, is ambassador samantha power. looking good, patrick. >> hey, there you go. i know. >> and when you were talking (vo) go national. go like a pro. about her prose styling, which
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is unique, that someone in her yesss, i'm doing it all. position would be such a good the water. writer. the exercise. the fiber. that is exactly one of the qualities that i know senator month after month, and i still have belly pain and recurring constipation. moynihan would be smiling upon in this particular winner. >> that's great. so i asked my doctor what else i could do, it's really good. i do say the book is freaking and i said yesss to linzess. good. i hate reading political linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. official memoirs because they linzess is not a laxative, it works differently. all feel like they were churned out by the same calculator. it helps relieve belly pain and lets you have to read one from someone who's both had an interesting career more frequent and complete bowel movements. and can freaking write with the best of them makes work a do not give linzess to children less than 6, pleasure, and also it's and it should not be given to children 6 to less than 18, insightful stuff. >> this is one of those nights it may harm them. do not take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. where i would have handed over a lot of the real estate here for get immediate help if you develop you two to just keep talking. unusual or severe stomach pain, i could have listened for quite a while. >> thank you, my friend. >> thanks, rachel. especially with bloody or black stools. >> thanks, lawrence. the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. we've been following the special election in north if it's severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. carolina's 9th congressional other side effects include gas, stomach area pain, and swelling. district all night. let's go straight to steve kornacki with the latest. steve, where are we now? i'm still doing it all. >> almost all the votes are in, lawrence. now, you can see dan bishop, the the water. the exercise. republican, leading this thing the fiber. and i said yesss to linzess by over -- nearly 4,000 votes at this point. for help with belly pain nbc news i can tell you has not and recurring constipation. ask your doctor.
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significantly improved in terms of the election day vote. it does raise the question, lawrence, the president was there in the district last night with that rally. is that the reason perhaps bishop had that same-day voter explosion? >> steve, thank you very much. we will come back to you as soon as there's more to report. we appreciate that. if the presidential election is a referendum on donald trump, he is going to lose. that is now becoming the consensus opinion of professional poll watchers and election analysts. and i don't mean people like me who have dabbled in the use of polls during election seasons only. i mean the professionals who live and breathe polls and voter we're back with tonight's breaking election news from north carolina. nbc news projects that data every day of the year, republican dan bishop will win the special election in north carolina's 9th congressional whether it's election season or district. joining us now is charlie cook, he's the editor and publisher of not. "the cook political report." i mean people like washington's he's an nbc news political analyst and columnist for the esteemed election analyst "national journal" and just who we want to be talking to tonight on a special election night. charlie, your reaction to what charlie cook, who will join us we've seen in north carolina tonight. later in this hour. >> you know the old line that charlie cook now says if the there's nothing more exhilarating than having been election is a referendum on donald trump he will lose. shot at and missed, well, charlie cook got more ammunition republicans have to be really exhilarated because, you know,
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for that today when a new poll came out showing that 60% of americans believe donald trump does not deserve a second term. we will of course continue to keep you up to the minute on the breaking news in the they've come -- this is a congressional election in north carolina tonight. district that not only did and we begin tonight with what donald trump win by 12 points might be even worse news for donald trump than today's very but mitt romney won by 12 points so they should be coasting. bad polls for the president on a instead, they win by two points which is more than we expected, day when donald trump's really, as of the last few days, 5,000 votes. re-election campaign is facing but the thing is, this would nothing but very bad news in a bunch of new polls the president created what might be one of the have been an apocalyptic story biggest problems his re-election for republicans had he lost so campaign could be facing a year they got to be really, really, from now. really relieved but the signal is still there. john bolton's memoirs. they underperformed by ten tonight in their new york points. offices major book publishers last november across the board, are probably staying late trying republicans underperformed by six percentage points, so republicans have to really, to calculate how many millions really, really worry about what's going on in the suburbs of dollars they can offer john bolton now if he can deliver an because democrats when they inside the trump white house book that will hit bookstores in the final months of the picked up 40 seats last year in presidential campaign when such suburbs of atlanta, dallas, a book would have maximum sales potential. john bolton is already the houston, kansas city, oklahoma author of a couple of books including a memoir of his city, and richmond, there's experience serving in george w. bush's administration. still more out there, so but now john bolton is in a republicans need to be very, very nervous. position to write and deliver they just can be relieved about north carolina 9.
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the most explosive trump book >> so how many seats do republicans have where their ever, which means it would be one of the best-selling books in publishing history if the book margin of comfort is lower than hits bookstores before donald trump goes down to defeat on the one they had going into tonight's election? >> what is it, 31, i want to election day if, as all polls now indicate, is most likely -- say. that's the most likely version there are still plenty of districts out there that president trump won by fewer of our next presidential election at the polls as of now. we will discuss those polls than, say, six, seven -- later in this hour. those polls will be part of book publishers' calculations of how certainly ten points. much money they can offer john there's a whole slew of them. bolton. now, democrats may not have decent candidates in all of them, but we're looking, you know, the chances of republicans picking up the house are just they're making those really, really, really small. and that's, you know, given that the margin isn't that wide, calculations right now. that's really bad news for them, but they've got to be relieved because this would have been a and those polls say john bolton disaster had you had two points go the other direction. can become one of the richest >> charlie, please stay with us. we're going to squeeze in one final commercial break here. when we come back, i want to get authors in history if he your big prediction that you delivers a book before election issued this week about the 2020 presidential election. we're going to be right back with charlie cook. day. managing type 2 diabetes? and that same book the day after the election might be worth much, much less if donald trump loses the election. so you have to ask yourself if you're donald trump, you have to ask yourself what kind of person
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is john bolton? is he one of those people working for donald trump who will avoid any possible public conflict with donald trump like former defense secretary james mattis, who has written a book which is being largely ignored dimitri's on it. because it does not describe the eating right? kind of trump chaos that bob on it! woodward's book describes and getting those steps in? michael wolff's book describes, both giant best-sellers. if john bolton is the kind of on it! person who will hold back what he knows is publishing gold, is dimitri thinks he's doing all he can john bolton that kind of person? is he the kind of person that will now protect donald trump to manage his type 2 diabetes and heart disease, out of personal loyalty to donald trump? john bolton has already publicly but is his treatment doing enough to lower disagreed with donald trump his heart risk? [sfx: glasses clanking.] about how he left his job as sorry. maybe not. national security adviser. jardiance is the number 1 prescribed pill in its class. there is very likely going to be jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death a john bolton book about donald trump. for adults who also have known heart disease. that means jardiance can help save your life and john bolton began in effect from a heart attack or stroke. writing it today in a tweet plus, jardiance lowers a1c contradicting president trump. and it could help you lose some weight. the least important disagreement jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast or urinary tract infections, and sudden kidney problems. that donald trump and john ketoacidosis is a serious side effect that may be fatal.
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bolton have ever had is their a rare, but life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin final disagreement, the disagreement over john bolton's of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away departure today from the job of if you have symptoms of this bacterial infection, white house national security adviser. president trump says he fired ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. him. john bolton says i resigned. at two minutes before 12:00 noon do not take jardiance if you are on dialysis today real donald trump tweeted "i informed john bolton last or have severe kidney problems. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. night that his services are no lower a1c and lower risk of a fatal heart attack? longer needed at the white on it... with jardiance. ask your doctor about jardiance. house. the type 2 diabetes pill that's on it. i disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did learn more at others in the administration, and therefore i asked john for his resignation, which was given to me this morning." hour 36 in the stakeout. the type 2 diabetes pill that's on it. 12 minutes later john bolton contradicted the president's as soon as the homeowners arrive, we'll inform them that liberty mutual version of events with this customizes home insurance, tweet. "i offered to resign last night so they'll only pay for what they need. and president trump said let's talk about it tomorrow." so the bolton tweet account your turn to keep watch, limu. appears to be that he offered wake me up if you see anything. his resignation last night. the president decided not to [ snoring ] talk about it until today. [ loud squawking and siren blaring ] and then he didn't talk about it only pay for what you need. today. and as promised, instead the ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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president decided to accept john bolton's resignation via tweet and pretend that the resignation was all donald trump's idea. six minutes after john bolton's tweet claiming that he wasn't fired, he quit, fox news hosts if you have moderate to thsevere rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, were busy reading the the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. trump-bolton twitter battle on ongoing pain and stiffness their phones when this happened. are signs of joint erosion. >> and then of course we heard humira can help stop the clock. from the just-fired john bolton prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation saying that no, it didn't that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. actually play out that way. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. >> john bolton just -- >> "i offered to resign last night and president trump said serious and sometimes fatal infections let's talk about it tomorrow." >> john bolton just texted me. just now. including tuberculosis, and cancers, he's watching. >> can you read it? >> yeah. he said, "let's be clear. including lymphoma, have happened; i resigned." and i said, do you mind if i say that while you were talking? and he wrote yes. as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, so john bolton has just told me, texted me to say i resigned. serious allergic reactions, >> okay. and new or worsening heart failure. so he answered yes go ahead. tell your doctor if you've been to areas >> yes, go ahead and say that. where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, >> for all the obvious -- hepatitis b,
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are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. >> so john bolton has just don't start humira if you have an infection. answered the president's tweet by saying yes, i resigned. help stop the clock >> why are we doing this? on further irreversible joint damage. >> we are doing this because the talk to your rheumatologist. right here. right now. trump white house is now and humira. always has been in chaos. chaos described vividly in michael wolff's book "fire and fury." charlie cook, the editor and and in bob woodward's book publisher of "the cook political report," is back with us. charlie, i read a major prediction of yours in john "fear." harwood's column yesterday about the 2020 election and it's all about if the election is a referendum on president trump. and very likely in what could be the most politically damaging book of all that could outsell all the rest of them, john bolton's next book. for which publishers, who are calculating their massive offers to john bolton tonight, are probably using a working title of something like "i resigned," by john bolton. >> that's -- there are important questions to be asked about the immediate effects of john bolton's >> go ahead, charlie. departure from the white house. what does this mean for the trump approach to north korea? what does this mean for the trump approach to iran? go ahead. what does this mean more generally to the national security apparatus of the trump administration? and what might it mean for congressional investigators who might want to question john sorry. bolton now that he is a private citizen? there is no one better >> yeah.
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okay. positioned to handle those i'm sorry. i thought you were going to -- questions tonight than our first somebody was going to read. guest, the chairman of the house that's the thing. intelligence committee, adam schiff. if it's a referendum, that's not a race where he can win. congressman schiff is a democrat i mean, whether you had the 239, representing california's 28th the gallup and cnn polls that had him at 39% today or the congressional district, which abc/"washington post" at 43%, includes parts of los angeles, these aren't alone. you've had 348 major national polls ask his approve/disapprove and exactly 1 out of 348 was his approval higher than his disapproval. one fox poll back in february of pasadena, burbank, and the san 2017. when you look at that cnn fernando valley. number, about 30% say he deserves re-election. and 60% -- 36% that he deserves re-election. 60% that he doesn't. you just sort of combine this if chairman schiff, thank you very it's up or down on him, he can't win that. much for joining us tonight. he's got to make this a choice really appreciate it. and a choice between him and something less desirable. >> great to be with you. >> i want to get your reaction and that's where -- it's like the old story about the woman to the firing and/or resignation who was asked by a friend, how's of john bolton. >> well, he never should have your husband? had the position to begin with. he lacks the temperament. he lacks the judgment to really have that job you're supposed to she replied, compared to what? be a facilitator to help the president get to yes, to mediate the national security officials how president trump is going to and help them provide the president with options. do, compared to what? i remember when he was first because if it's up or down on named as nominee one of my colleagues asked me what did i him, he can't win this. think about michael bolton being named as national security
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>> but aren't incumbents usually what the issue is? isn't when you have an incumbent in a race, isn't it usually a referendum on the incumbent? adviser. and i said i think you mean john >> yes, it is, but we've never bolton, michael bolton a singer. seen one quite like this where but honestly i think michael the remarkable thing about bolton would do a better job, i think i'd be comfortable with president trump's numbers are -- him. it's the lack of elasticity. it was an astonishing choice. it was obviously not his first that, you know, take gallup. choice. was his third candidate, fourth candidate, since one turned it his best job approval rating down for national security yet, 46%, his worst, 35%. adviser. but a bad choice from start to finish. although ironically he was right on a couple of things that were profound disagreements with the for fox, it's 48% and 38%. president. that is, if we can believe what bolton has evidently been telling people, that he disagreed with the president's approach to north korea, which 10, 11-point ranges so there's has been a debacle, and he disagreed with this reality tv effort to have a summit with the taliban at camp david. those were both i think quite disastrous decisions by the president. we're paying the price for it. not much give there, so 75% of americans strongly approve or >> we'll have to wait for john bolton's book to at least get his thorough version of this. but there's also the question of strongly disapprove. how they agreed or disagreed on iran and was john bolton pushing there's no ambiguity here. for a military strike against iran that the ened so, there's not -- his numbers -- all presidents' with a meeting with the president in the cabinet and mr. numbers start big, they come bolton.
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he didn't contribute at all to the conversation. down, they go up and down. and that may have been a his have been in a very tight trading range and it shows that reflection this was on the eve people's minds about him is made of the president's decision to pull back from a strike on iran. that may have been because the president didn't particularly want to hear from him. up -- are made up. but their minds about whoever but you know, it's certainly the fill-in-the-blank democrat, true that he has been very hawkish on iran. that's up in the air and he's got to make it a choice. i think he has held very >> one of the most important dangerous views, dangerous aspects of it being a referendum on donald trump, if that's what positions on iran. it turns out to be, is the vote for third-party candidates could evaporate because that voter in wisconsin who cast a vote for jill stein probably won't be that he was probably among doing that this time if that voter is much more concerned others in urging the president with stopping donald trump. to withdraw from the jcpoa, which i think has had really >> no, that's absolutely true significant adverse consequences and it fits into a historic for the country. so on iran i think he has been a pattern. singularly bad influence on the when you've had elections where president. but as we have seen in many a third-party candidate arguably other things and with many other made the difference, in the next cabinet officials, even though election, very few people vote for third-party candidates. i mean, the desire to -- well, he had often disagreements i'm not going to throw away my apparently with the president, vote. that was true after '92 with ross perot, it was true in 2000 it didn't stop him from serving as an enabler of this president, both in terms of the disastrous policy vis-a-vis north korea and with ralph nader. with respect to the taliban you know, these things -- i summit but also sticking to the think it will be true after 2016. president even when he at least so i think you're going to have a minuscule third-party vote. purportedly had these profound it's going to be up or down. differences. >> charlie cook, thank you very
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much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> what does it mean to your >> thanks. thanks. >> that is tonight's last word. "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. tonight, john bolton is out after a rocky tenure as national security adviser. it's either a firing or resignation depending on which investigations in the story you believe. now the white house looking to intelligence committee that john hire its fourth national bolton is now a private citizen? security adviser in just three does that change in any way the years. possibility of obtaining testimony from him? this comes amid a conversation already spun up over the president's changing the weather forecast, denying a business >> well, in theory it ought to arrangement in plain sight, which may help to explain some big, bad, new polling numbers just out. make it easier if the -- if plus, a former counter-intel chief of the fbi is here with us bolton is outside the administration he would be more for an update on that russian accessible as a witness. but the practice of the asset who alerted america to administration has been to claim privilege over anything anyone putin's meddling in our 2016 might say at any time they were election. and steve kornacki at the big board with the north in the administration, even during the transition. carolina special election so yes if you're willing to cooperate he could shed light, for example, on what was said during these private meetings between the president and putin. did the president try to hide interpreter notes? was he excluded from these meetings for a reason? was it ever communicated to him
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why the president wanted no witnesses in these conversations? did he ever learn that the president was continuing to pursue trump tower? were there some other illicit financial motivation? were, you know -- were intelligence items discussed with putin or other russian officials that could cause u.s. intelligence secrets to be jeopardized? he could certainly answer those questions. whether he'd be willing to or whether we could overcome the white house opposition, i guess only time will tell. >> and there's been developments over the course of the august recess with members of the house adding their voices to the encouragement of an impeachment inquiry in the house of representatives. this week the judiciary committee will be having a vote that basically empowers the committee with all of the powers of an impeachment inquiry. what is your view of what the
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judiciary committee is doing? i know that as chairman of intelligence that you have your own shop to run. but do you support what's happening this week in the judiciary committee? >> i do because the procedures that the judiciary committee is adopting will allow it to move more expeditiously. it will allow subcommittees to do some of the witness interviews. it will allow staff to do some of the questioning. given just how much the administration is stonewalling congress's oversight, whatever practices and policies we need to adopt in our committees to expedite our investigation we should undertake. so yes, i do support what they're doing. i think it will help us get answers more quickly. >> and i want to get your reaction to the reporting we've seen this week here at nbc news and at other news organizations about a russian spy, a spy who was serving american interests while working in vladimir putin's administration who was extracted during the first year of the trump presidency. there was a consideration, an attempt to extract him before that during the obama presidency.
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but there are many elements of this story including what may be now a lack of resources for the cia for administration coming from inside the putin regime. >> well, i can't comment on those specific allegations. i can tell you that really our mission on the intel committee is to make sure the intelligence committee has the resources it needs to do the difficult human intelligence work. russia is a very hard target. there are other hard targets out there. and we spend a lot time assessing are we able to get the information we need? what changes do we need to make to get more information? there are several reports, and i can't comment on the specifics of them. but one of the other reports today was the president continually questioning the value of human intelligence. you know, for the president to do that and send a message if this reporting is correct that these people risking their lives in service to this country, these are foreigners often on foreign soil who do so
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sometimes, yes, for money but other times because they believe in america, because they believe in democracy, they want something better for their own country, if this is correct and the president is casting doubt on the value of this even as he has quite publicly castigated the intelligence agencies, comparing them to nazis, it means sources are going to dry up, both human sources as well as some of our sister intelligence agencies around the world, who won't different us their most sensitive information if they think the president can't be trusted with. there are real world consequences to this perception of the president as being untrustworthy with the intelligence, untrusting of our intelligence agencies, skeptical of the value of intelligence itself. that just makes all of our jobs that much more difficult and the country more vulnerable. >> chairman adam schiff, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. and we have breaking news. nbc news projects that
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republican dan bishop has won the special election in north carolina's 9th congressional district. coming up, donald trump is looking very bad in texas polls. texas. if donald trump loses texas, then we're going to have to find a new way to describe the big blue wave. it's coming up. of course i have- ever since i started renting from national. because national lets me lose the wait at the counter... ...and choose any car in the aisle. and i don't wait when i return, thanks to drop & go. at national, i can lose the wait...and keep it off. looking good, patrick. i know. (vo) go national. go like a pro. i mean, if you haven't thought abfrankly, you're missing out. uh... the mobile app makes it easy to manage your policy, even way out here.
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hey. you must be steven's phone. now you can know who's on your network and control who shouldn't be, only with xfinity xfi. simple. easy. awesome. there are several new polls out today, all with bad news for donald trump.
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an abc/washington post poll finds that only 38% of americans approve of the job president trump is doing. that's down six points in that poll since july. a new cnn poll puts the trump approval rating at 39%. that's the lowest the trump approval rating has fallen in that poll since the government shutdown in january. that poll also found that 60% of americans do not think president trump deserves to be re-elected with only 36% saying that he does deserve to be re-elected. and a new univision poll of texas voters shows one-on-one match-ups of donald trump and six of the top democratic presidential candidates. the results shows donald trump losing or in a statistical tie with all six candidates in the state of texas. that's the republican state of texas. jimmy carter was the last democrat who carried texas in a presidential race.
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no democrat has won in a statewide election of any kind in texas in 25 years. but the new univision poll of texas shows bernie sanders ahead of donald trump 48-42. joe biden ahead of donald trump 47-43. julian castro ahead of trump 44-41. elizabeth warren ahead of trump 44-42. cory booker ahead of trump 43-41. kamala harris ahead of trump 45-44. the poll did not include any other democratic candidates in one-on-one match-ups against donald trump in texas. joining our discussion now is jason johnson. he's the politics editor at and professor of politics and media at morgan state university. and jennifer rubin is with us. she's an opinion writer at the "washington post." both are msnbc political analysts. and jennifer, these are bad numbers for donald trump. and that's before john bolton's memoirs are published. >> yes, it is. two things jumped out at me. one is what he was surviving on was his handling of the economy.
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and in both those polls he's down on that measure. the other thing that's interesting is i've been watching white women and white college-educated women, for the first time you see white non-college-educated women abandoning trump in droves. so i think if you're a republican looking at this mess you're thinking, oh boy, are we in trouble. and if you're a democratic primary voter maybe you're thinking to yourself, you know, maybe electability is a broader concept than we thought. the only one who is unelectable at this point seems to be donald trump. >> and jason johnson, these polls show it seems to me a very simple fact of the trump presidency and that is that he has never once tried to speak to voters who haven't already voted for him.
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he's never once tried to change the mind of a voter who did not vote for him. >> right. here's the thing, lawrence. there's no one in america who doesn't know how they feel about donald trump. there's no undecideds. i don't want to hear anyone say i'm an undecided voter next fall because i know you're lying. everyone knows you're lying. what's really key about these polls is it's not just that democrats are leading but they're leading in the high 40s, which means that the undecided numbers are very, very low and it means that a lot of the top three democrats could actually beat him. but the other question, and this is always what really, really concerns me. there's a big difference between donald trump losing in a head to head against bernie sanders or losing in a head to head with warren or losing in a head to head with biden. and these generic numbers showing him losing or people not wanting to have the job. this will get closer as the attacks start going and once there's actually a democratic nominee. so the democrats need to make sure that they stay focused. this is not a slam dunk by any means. it's only september and a lot of people didn't start paying attention till after labor day. >> jennifer, we saw tonight in north carolina a district, a congressional district that donald trump won by 12 points. the republan
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win it and at this point winning it by about two points. >> there are some 32 districts i think that are less favorable to republicans than that. so i think their chances of winning back the house are infinitesimal. and as a result i think you're going to see a lot more republican resignations. that in turn i think is going to open up all sorts of possibilities in texas and other places. we've already seen a batch of republicans from texas decide to throw in the towel. so the house situation could actually get worse for republicans in 2020. >> jason, the republicans do have a difficult map when they look at the house of representatives. they have a difficult map when they look at the presidency. but the senate is the place where the republicans should believe that there's a way for
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them to hang on, that does look like there's a way for them to hang on. how much should the democrats be concentrating in what they're trying to achieve next year in taking back that senate and getting mitch mcconnell out of that majority leader job? >> ground zero should be georgia. you essentially have two seats. you can go after purdue and there's an open seat because isakson had just said he's not running next year. the democrats need to spend as much time and money as they can in that state with the amount of attention that's been paid to voter fraud and voter suppression it's now going to be much harder for brian kemp the governor to suppress votes there. and that is a great opportunity for them. and i know that people don't want to hear this. they need to give up the fantasy of beto o'rourke running in texas. he's not going to run. he'd have to declare by sometime in january. he's made it very clear he's going to stay in the presidential race. but georgia i would say needs to be ground zero for democrats. they'd probably pick that up seat in colorado. we don't know what's going to happen in maine. but that is a purple state where
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me could actually end up making a difference and possibly flip georgia. there's optimism to be had if democrats want to spent spend the time, the money and find good candidates. >> and jennifer, one of the signs of lack of republican party confidence and canceling presidential primaries now that donald trump has three republican -- declared republican opponents who want to run in primaries against him. you would think they'd want to show off just how strong donald trump is in trying to secure his second republican presidential nomination. >> even vladimir putin holds elections. i mean, i really find it hard to believe that he's so powerful and so dominant and on the other hand doesn't want to run against either of these -- or actually there are three of them now, candidates out there. i think it's bad for a couple
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reasons. one, one of the ways you get information on voters and pump out turnout in the general election is by getting them all excited during the primary run. they're throwing that opportunity away. they're essentially saying we don't know who all these other people might be in the state but we're just going to go back to the lists we had in 12016. that's ridiculous. at the same time there's going to be this democratic primary where no one knows how it's going to come out or if they say they do they really don't. and it's going to be excitement and it's going to pump those numbers. i would also say to what jason said that the other state to keep an eye on is arizona. that was also a state in which a democrat won last time. you have the husband of gaby giffords who is running for the mcsally seat. and that is another state where you see the creepy-crawly diminishment of the republican advantage filip so keep an eye on arizona too. >> and there's already polls showing mark kelly ahead of mcsally in arizona. we'll be watching that one. jennifer rubin, jason johnson, thank you both for joining us. really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> and when we come back, donald trump has appointed three
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is someone who can give us an invaluable perspective on the job of national security adviser, susan rice is the last person to serve in the job of national security adviser before donald trump started appointing national security advisers. susan rice served as president obama's national security adviser from 2013 to january of 2017. and before that she served as president obama's ambassador to the united nations from 2009 to 2013. her new book, "tough love: my story of things worth fighting for," comes out next month. ambassador rice, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i just wanted to get what was your first reaction today when you heard the noise that john bolton was either fired according to donald trump or resigned according to john bolton?
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>> well, lawrence, it's good to be with you. i confess when i heard the news i was working out and i was a bit surprised to see it flash across the screen. i had to plug in the headphones to find out what was actually going on. i was surprised more by the timing of the announcement. it was unexpected in that regard. but not the actual outcome because for quite a while it's been apparent that john bolton and donald trump were on very different sheets of music when it comes to almost every national security issue of import. and either bolton was going to continue to be publicly humiliated and fail to persuade the president of his course of action or the president was going to capitulate, which seemed highly unlikely. so something was going to come apart at some stage it seemed. >> it's hard to think of anyone who in republican politics and foreign policy or any of our politics and foreign policy who
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agrees with donald trump on north korea, his approach to north korea, on this idea of let's invite the taliban to camp david, on the trump tariffs, which are a national security issue. and it's hard to think of who would fit. >> well, i think there are degrees of fitting. let's break this down. there's two levels of challenge. one is finding a national security adviser who can serve the president effectively from the vantage point of being a good national security adviser. i think bolton failed in that regard to the extent that he refused to run that proper national security decision-making process that involved all of the cabinet-level principals sitting around the table wrestling with the analysis and the facts and the intelligence and the very difficult options that surround any tough national security decision.
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he didn't run that process and he arrogated a lost authority to himself and i think was wrong on a lot of important issues. having said that, we could have the second coming of -- as national security adviser, the greatest one in history, running a perfect process and still we'd have a president who could care less and wasn't interested in facts, history, analysis, or the national interest. and that's what we have. so we have two problems, of process, national security decision-making process that is badly broken and a president who is not interested in rational decision-making that serves the national interest. >> what should people be -- >> yes, it would be a hard job for anybody. >> what should people be hoping for in the next national security adviser? and i include opponents of the president. what should they be hoping for in the next national security
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adviser? >> somebody with integrity. somebody with judgment. somebody who recognizes that being national security adviser is not a solo endeavor. i liken it to being a point guard leading a basketball team. and i write about that in my book. it is a team sport. and we don't seem to have had that of late. i also would like to see a national security adviser who's prepared to tell the president the truth and differ with the president when necessary. in that regard i give bolton credit because the national security adviser is supposed to keep his counsel, his or her counsel private, but is supposed to give their honest and best judgment. and in this instance we have a president who seems to not want to hear anything other than yes. >> yeah. i mean, this seems to be an illustration of many things. but one of them might be this is what happens to you if you do tell president trump what you honestly think about something. in this case john bolton is reported to have been maybe the key player in stopping the taliban visit to camp david, and that frustrated the president and now john bolton's gone. that may be the lesson of this. this is what happens if you do
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tell the president the truth. >> well, then we're going to have probably seven or eight national security advisers if we have decent ones. by the time this administration gets through four years. because the last thing we need, whether, you know -- as the head of noaa or national security adviser is leadership that lies or leadership that obfuscates or leadership that isn't interested in the national interest. and that's even more dangerous than anything that i can think of. >> president obama had as i recall a grand total of three national security advisers over the eight years with you serving the longest in that office. president trump has now gone through three. he'll be starting his fourth, he promises, next week. so they could be on track to getting close to eight even in
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the first term. what does that do to the national security processes within the administration? >> it's extraordinarily disruptive. and it's irresponsible, quite frankly. to illustrate the point, when i was named national security adviser in early june of 2013, i had more than a month of -- or about a month of overlap with my predecessor, tom donilon. that was time in which even though i was still serving as united nations ambassador i spent most of my time in washington meeting with tom,
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going in great depth through the issues that were on our plate and the processes that i needed to understand. i spent time in national security meetings, the president's daily briefing with the president of the united states. i got a sense of how president obama wanted that role to be played, a very, very important role at the right hand of the president. and when i came to -- back to washington to take on the job, july 1st, not only was i well prepared by tom in that process but obviously i had the experience of having sat at the principals decision-making table for the prior 4 1/2 years. it is not at all clear who president trump is going to get to sit in the national security
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advisor's office who will have the experience, the judgment as well as the preparation to hit the ground running. and with all that's going on in the world, that is exactly what we need. >> let me ask you about this story that has broken in our news in the last 24 hours, major news organizations including nbc news reporting on the extraction of a spy working for the united states within the russian government. this occurred during your watch as national security adviser. according to the stories, that's when the harvest of the information was coming in from this spy. and there was a first consideration of extracting him during your time in office. what can you share with us about that and what elements of the reporting could you confirm for us? >> lawrence, i can't discuss classified information. i've never done it in my career, and i'm not going to start now. >> is there anything that you would caution the public about in what they're reading about this story now? >> no. i don't want to get into parsing the story and what may be accurate or inaccurate. it's just not appropriate. >> ambassador susan rice, i think we understand that completely. thank you very much for joining us. we really appreciate it. >> great to be with you, lawrence. thank you. and coming up, charlie cook has a major prediction for the 2020 presidential election, and it is not good for donald trump. we'll also get charlie cook's reaction to the special election in north carolina. tonight charlie cook joins us
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