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that's all for tonight, we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily", we have a new chuck todd podcast coming up. ari melber coming right up. >> we have a lot tonight, democrats prepping for a formal vote on the impeachment probe as trump faces new pressures on corruption. outrage in north carolina, republicans blasted for a quote shameless theft of democracy for allegedly exploiting a 9/11 memorial because of course yes, it's 9/11, to engineer a political maneuver. it is quite a story. t obviously brand new. we'll bring that to you tonight, and also something i want to tell you about, right here on "the beat" tonight, we are launching a brand new series. it's called back story. tonight's debut installment
shares the substance of 2020 and whether democrats have an obama play book. that is special tonight later in the show. we begin with the top story, rolling chaos at the white house, another acting cabinet official, new fallout from john bolton's ouster, democrats prepping what they say is a historic impeachment vote tomorrow on the impeachment probe and its different strands, today of course beginning as a solemn day, as i mentioned for remembrance for 9/11, something americans always think about at least at some point during a day like today. what does the president do, well he didn't start it the way most presidents do, no surprise, he blasted federal employees at the federal reserve as quote bone heads, moments before a 9/11 ceremony, he was then picking fightin fights with the press over his own low polling, more on that later. donald trump also asked about someone who deals with the kinds of issues that relate to 9/11, his now ousted national security adviser john bolton.
>> john is somebody that i actually got along with very well. he made some very big mistakes. john's known as a tough guy. he's so tough he got us into iraq. that's tough. >> john wasn't in line with what we were doing. and actually in some cases, he thought it was too tough what we were doing. mr. tough guy. >> mr. tough guy. john bolton has been implying that he will have more to say. remember, he's one of the few officials who left office calling the president a liar. today he tells nbc he will say more in due course. they have disagreed about how the employment ended. democrats say they have a vote tomorrow that is incremental, but they argue it is going to in very significant ways move an impeachment probe forward and potentially result, some democrats say, in articles of impeachment. >> our oversight responsibility is very clear in the constitution. >> we have a constitutional responsibility to hold an out of control executive branch
accountable. >> our goal is to get the truth to the american people. >> i do think that ultimately we will have articles of impeachment. >> we don't work for donald trump. we work for the american people. >> now, if you impeach a president, what do you impeach him for, there are some democrats and we have covered this on the show, who say there's actually more than one reason, more than one constitutional viable way to remove the president for what they call high crimes and misdemeanors. consider some of the pressures just breaking this week, new questions about alleged corruption of the administration routing government spending, your money to trump resorts. mike pence in ireland, then there's the trump cabinet officials like bill barr dropping $30,000 of his own money to a trump hotel, the air force getting caught up in payments made at the trump turnberry resort in scotland, and they want the heavy hitting homeland security community to force an independent probe on the military through the trump administration. and they're defining it as
questionable taxpayer funded travel, and lodging at properties owned by the sitting president. before i bring in our panel and when you see our panel you're going to see it as a power panel, but i want to put this all together. it would of course be easy at a time like this for all of these stories to just kind of get muddled and then get normalized and then fade away, the democrats as reported are vowing probes and efforts to prevent that. let's be clear, this is not specifically a trump era challenge, although the corruption do stem from donald trump. remember, the two oldest crimes in politics involve abusing the government to take what isn't yours, stealing government power through elections, one, or stealing government money through graft, two. that's why our constitution has so many enumerated protections against those political instincts. there are courts to safeguard politicians efforts to abuse elections or to invite foreign help in elections to pick up a
s salient example, and there are rules against passing laws to make yourself money or taking gifts while in office or any of the several things that donald trump stands accused of tonight in the public square, in open court cases, all before our eyes. this is not the first test and it won't be the last. the question given the pace line and rules in our politics is what will everyone do about it. now i turn as advertised to what i think as you make, governor and doctor howard dean, maya wiley, and former counsel to the m mayor of new york who is in the 2020 race, and former vice president of trump organization and author of all alone on the 68th floor. i could begin with any of you, i'm eager to hear your thoughts, but i start with you maya on the fact that some of these are in the category of obvious graft.
some of them are alleged corruption, you need to learn more about the details, and many of them would seem to be banned by the constitution so where do we go from here? >> hopefully to uncover all of those. i mean, i think the vote tomorrow in the house is going to be extremely important. i think the fact that they have laid out a plan for how they're going to do this from a procedural standpoint, and fair to donald trump, because part of what they're going to vote on is going to say, you're going to get an opportunity to see what we have. we're not trying to blind side you, but what i think we have to remember is congress is going to decide, as congress, what a high crime and misdemeanor is. the founders were very clear, by the way, if you look at the history that high crimes and misdemeanors included what you might call mal administration, in other words, they thought it would include things, if you appoint unfit subordinates and
not paying sufficient attention to the administration of government, not just straight up corruption and crime. >> let me get in on your founders party, it also, as you know, includes things that are not actually active actions by the president. they discuss, what if somebody abdicates, what if you have a sitting president who leaves or stops doing the job, there has to be a mechanism, many people think donald trump toggles between not doing a lot of the job, there's evidence in numbers for that, and then abusing the job for self-enrichment. >> and i think you're absolutely right, and i will absolutely go there with you on the founders, particularly when we have a situation where a president has staff in place negotiating peace deals, has no idea what details of the deal are, says he's going to have a meeting, say sit down with the taliban, whether you think it's a good idea or not, he empowered staff to negotiate that, said he was going to do, and then blind sided his own
staff by simply pulling out and firing people by tweet. i'm not suggesting i agree with the decision to sit down with the taliban, but i'm saying he has a practice as a president that is very unpresidential, and not good for the country. >> yeah, and i want to show some numbers to you, governor dean on mike pence's ireland trip which we know he regrets to some degree because he has been changing his defense of it, so obviously there's the idea of, oh, you can get away with anything, apparently not. mike pence for whatever reason, whatever his breaking point is, you put on the screen here, obama's similar three-day trip was about 113 k, the state department paying a million for the ground transportation for the june visit to the property. i'm curious what you think on the politics of why is it that this time it's caught them up so much more than some of the other dealings. viewers will say this has been going on for a while. >> i don't think the problem is pence's trip. it's obviously a problem and the whole administration has been corrupt. trump has been corrupt since he was born, practically, his
history in the real estate in new york is appalling, that's not the problem. the big problem is using the military, which is a well-respected organization, and well-respected group of pple and encouraginghe united states of america has been part of trump's scheme to funnel his self-money at a scottish resort by refuelling and paying much more than he should at an airport that was about to close and by staying there. pence, look, we don't respect pence on our side of the aisle for good reason. we don't respect trump for good reason. using the military as part of your scheme for corruption, i think every american understands how bad that is, and that is what i think is not only going to be grounds for possible impeachment, even if it doesn't work, i predict he's the first president to be convicted after he leaves office, but this is really serious. >> yeah, you put it very
strongly. barbara res, you know donald trump. >> i do. >> you worked for donald trump. we have a very trumpy thing running into a very serious thing. the trumpy part is the utter embarrassing pettiness of sharpie gate, we covered as much as we had to cover it. the serious part is you have non-partisan, scientists and weather experts in the u.s. government dealing with things that affect the information flow of whether people live or die. it's as serious as a heart attack. donald trump today denying these reports which are well documented in the "new york times" that when those nonpartisan people did what they're supposed to do, they were threatened with losing their jobs, pensions, et cetera, take a look. >> i never did that. i never did that. that's a whole hoax by the fake news media, when they talk about the hurricane and when they talk about florida and they talk about alabama, that's just fake news. >> what trump are you seeing there?
>> well, that's the trump we know, without a doubt. he's the liar. i think that he made a big deal out of this particular instance because at first he didn't care, just, you know, he said alabama. i wondered if he had a reason for that, whether it was someone he was talking to in alabama, he wants to make unhappy, but he didn't care that he was caught because he figured like everything else, but i think with the sharpie gate, he really looked so bad, that i think he might have thought my base thinks i'm not so good, and he doubled down, started threatening people, make it right, make it right. i've seen him do that absolutely. >> would people always be fired when he threatened or it was all just part of the noise. >> a lot of times people were not fired, but, yeah, he would lie to have his way, and, you know, we were talking about how eventually everyone he hired was someone that would say yes to him. >> right. so there's a sort of narrowing.
i want to get in the john bolton stuff, governor dean, as they say in the business, we are old enough to remember the last time john bolton had trouble in a white house. it was when his appointment in the bush administration was too extreme then. and then he got an appointment and he had to leave. this guy has been a right wing controversy for a long time. i wonder about in this sort of increasingly fact free part of political discourse, what you think of tucker carlson's new claim, take a look. >> if you're wondering why so many progressives are mourning bolton's firing tonight, it's because bolton himself fundamentally was a man of the left, don't let the mustache fool you. john bolton was one of the most progressive people in the trump administration. >> first of all, i wouldn't comment on tucker carlson, he's a nit wit, and a racist. second of all, i know bolton well, because i have done some work with him on an iranian
matter. bolton is a hard liner, he feels strongly that we should in fact attack iran. i actually kind of personally like him even though i don't support his views on things. and i think bolton was too much for trump. bolton also has very -- bolton is smart. you may not like him, and you may think his views are awful, but he's a smart guy, andki abo. trump doesn't. and trump is always threatened by people who know what they're talking about. now, i'm not sorry john is gone, because i didn't want to go to war with iran, and i know john believes we ought to dispose of that regime by force, but, you know, he's going to say something. i have not experienced john bolton as a liar. he's very conservative, far more to the right than i am. as i wait for his public statement about what really happened, i'm more inclined to believe john bolton than i am donald trump. >> i find it actually hysterical that the defense becomes, no,
john bolton's actually a lefty, but think about this, what donald trump said about bolton was actually he's not as tough as i am. i'm a lot stronger, like we were too tough for john bolton, which is actually a bizarre statement given that what john bolton said was that russia is not our friend and actually took very very different positions than donald trump, beth on russia and north korea and what it really demonstrated to me about his personality was, i'm going to fire you before you can quit. >> always. >> he says he quit, going to the point -- we didn't get to talk about barbara, why isn't the trump soho in soho. >> i'll tell you a quick story, we were doing a project for alexander retail stores, we were going to convert it and he
insisted on calling in forest hills, absolutely every trump center in forest hills, not even close. so. >> i mean, that's wild for anyone who has visited new york, the neighborhoods are in places on maps and they built a property, and they said trump soho, and it's not in soho. >> for new yorkers who walk around, it was an early education in what donald trump does. ic barbara res, howard deen, maya wily, our power panel. a new cause for alarm about 2020 and as mentioned, we're going to get into my special report, involving mayor pete's debut on the national stage and something you may have never heard about him in common with barack obama. later, new outrage and protests over republicans accused of ramming through a bill and exploiting a 9/11 anniversary to do it. >> i will not yield, mr. speaker.
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democrats picked up a whopping 40 seats. >> when we launch this campaign conventional wisdom dictated that this race was unwinnable. >> we voted and we won. and we did all of this together. >> today is a milestone but it is really a beginning. >> and what's happened since then, well, donald trump's approval rating has dropped further below 40%. i'm joined right now by stan greenberg, a leading pollster and strategist for decades, i want to mention, leaders around the world, including clinton, obama, and mandela, and he's here in part because his new book is called provocatively, for such a sober minded objective person, rip gop. and also for a view from the field, someone in the fight right now, jamie harrison who chaired the south carolina democratic party running for the
u.s. senate against lindsey graham. thanks to both of you for being here. >> good to be here. >> great to have you both. >> thanks for having us. >> absolutely. stanley, given all of your experience, that title doesn't leave a lot of room for imagination, what do you mean, what do you see? >> it's time not to be sober. i have spent almost every night, every morning writing after the women's march, and dedicated to the resistance, what this book, you know, says is that i understood this election meant that there was be a push back against trump. he would accelerate the trends and everything we have seen here, i think, has confirmed that and if you look at north carolina, a lot of people look at it and say, well, it was disappointing, it wasn't won, but it was so much in part of the story of 2018, the swing was exactly the same, a 10-point
swing from where the republicans were in, you know, in '16, the shift in the suburban vote, and also what's important is immigration. he played the immigration card hard in 2018. they played it very hard in the special election, and it does not work. democrats win when they are running as an anti-immigrant party, so day by day, the democrats are associated with our multicultural identity with immigration, with an expansive america, and the country, i think, is ready to vote for them. >> and i want to read something to you, you did not predict trump's victory, correct. >> no. >> and few did, including in the republican party, i had off the record calls with republican officials planning for after the loss. but i want to read something you wrote then in november. you said you were glad that clinton was on the offensive, expanding the map rather than
raising barriers to trump breaching the blue wall, aligning with the trends of the country which allows for a quote bigger win. in parts of the so called blue wall, trump narrowly picked up key states, my question to you is not have you ever called an election off, i think a lot of folks have, the media certainly has, you're on a media network, so full disclosure, but do you stand by that, has anything changed and should democrats still be worried about wisconsin, pennsylvania, et cetera? >> okay. look, you're right to focus on that, but, you know, the issue was not whether we should be moving to those expansive states. the issue is of course you protect yourself on the blue wall. it never occurred to me that we would not be advertising, organizing, respecting working class voters, in michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. it was never an either/or.
yes, i wanted to be with the expansive map, but for sure, i just made the assumption, you make sure the blue wall is in tact, and then you also expand it at the same time. i think you always, as a campaign, you stay on the offense, put them on the defensive, but you don't give them vulnerability, by disrespecting working class voters and not committing to winning those core states. >> interesting. let me bring in jamie, who like you has worked with top democratic officials and is seeking to become one in the u.s. senate democratic caucus, if he wins, how do you see this playing out? >> hey, ari. >> technical difficulties or could you hear me jamie? >> i can hear you now, ari, say again. >> let me repeat, and this is on me, we put our guests in a rough spot if you can't hear me. given that you're running for the senate, what do you think of stanley's analysis and do you think 2020 would be like the
blue wave we saw in 2018? >> i think it's a continuation, ari. listen, what we saw in the north carolina race yesterday was a continuation of 2018. in south carolina, we had a seat that donald trump won by 13 points. this was mark sanford's old seat, and a democrat is now currently the congressperson in that seat in joe cunningham, and he ran not because he was going to be a rubber stamp for the democratic party or any party, he ran because he was talking about the issues important to the people in that district. what we're seeing with the republicans across the south. we are seeing a new south emerge but the republicans are still using that same play book from lee atwater, where they think they can throw out some dog whistles and red meat to divide people, people right now want someone who will represent them, represent their interests, i mean, just recently, our senator, when the hurricane dorian was coming knocking on the door, we had mandatory evacuations in charleston, myrtle beach, hilton head, where
was lindsey graham, he was over in montenegro. the last time i recall when we had senators like fritz holland, they would always be in the state, helping their citizens prepare for that hurricane. but he was over in montenegro, and then what makes it worse, he was over there paling around with a white nationalist. these guys just think that they can throw out this red meat and that's going to be enough, but people want folks to represent them. that's what the job is. and right now, all of these folks think, lindsey graham included, all they think is they just need to wrap themselves in the president, and they're going to see, and i think stan is right on it, that the president is going to bring them down along with a party that i had a lot of respect for as well. >> interesting to hear from both of you, sam greenberg and jamie harrison, thanks for telling us about the new book, rip gop, i'm going to fit in a literally 30 second break and when we come back, the new series back story i told you about in 30. e new se i told you about in 30
tonight we are launching a new series on "the beat", back story, our goal is to provide deep reporting and more back story about one of the people running from president in each stallment. it's a -- each installment. by looking at each candidate, it aims to put substance and content above election coverage, in unreliable early polling.
in the coming weeks, we're going to zero in on a range of candidates, like kamala harris, elizabeth warren. tonight we begin with a look at a contender with an unusual profile, the 37-year-old leader of a town of just over a hundred thousand people who only recently became well known enough that people are starting to get his name right. >> this guy named pete whose last name nobody can pronounce, the mayor of south bend indiana. >> i'm going to try to pronounce this mayor's name. >> pete buttigieg. >> the mayor of south bend, pete buttigieg. >> that's close, buttigieg, right? >> pete buttigieg. >> how do you say your name, what is the correct pronounceuation pronuns nati -- pronunciation of your name. >> pete. >> pete jumped into a race against far more experienced candidates to try to be the face of the democratic party. do you remember that bid? it wasn't this race for
president or for congress, it was a contest to run the party itself, the top post at the dnc changed hands after russian hackers boosting trump had released stolen e-mails undercutting then dnc chair d debbie wasserman schultz at the 2016 convention. she resigned, bake a temporary chair in that election, leaving a vacant seat, how to fill in january 2017. the top contenders were former obama official, tom perez, who won, liberal congressman keith ellison, but in that pivotal debate over who should lead the party in the wake of trump's win, another obscure candidate jumped in. >> i'm pete buttigieg, and i'm the mayor here in south bend, indiana, i'm asking you to join me as i run for chair of the democratic party, and together we will write a new turn around story. >> that obscure mayor saw himself as the person to take on and take over the reins of the
party for the trump era. >> if the outcome of this dnc chair race is that half the party feels like it's just been sent packing, we're going to be that much further on a back foot dealing with the real opposition which is trump and the republican opposition. >> why wouldn't you put in somebody who's from the millennial generation, running and winning in a bright red state like indiana, and a mayor whose bread and butter is state and local political organizing. >> party chairs are usually affairs, 2017 was a little different. the party leadership was undermined by some of the content in the e-mails, hacked by the russians and shocked by trump's win, and there was more attention on the dnc race as a proxy on how to take on trump. >> the democratic party needs to take the fight to donald trump. when we lead with our values, when we lead with our
conviction, that's how we succeed. >> donald trump has already brought flat our way. we can actually help democrats win all over the country, so that we can get rid of donald trump. >> donald trump's gotten to be like a computer virus in the american political system. he ties up our minds and our processing power with these equations that don't even have any solutions until the system overheats and breaks down. >> that race focused on those first two voices, an obama establishment veteran, tom perez, keith ellison, mayor pete was vying to be a kind of coalition compromise candidate who could make talk to both those wings of the party and also bring other attributes as an openly guy millennial mayor with credentials from the military and harvard. that race turned completely on the 447 members of the dnc who vote, but mayor pete had an approach that appealed to other groups that didn't have a vote, including some in the press. reporters dubbing him a rock
star at the time who might have lacked the credibility of a serious challenger but raised his national profile by running. he drew press attention in key democratic states like california, one competitor noted pete could go viral, even though he had less actual voting support in the dnc. how did buttigieg actually fare in that race, we know he lost because it's chairman tom perez we see on that stage, introducing these debates this year with buttigieg over at the lectern with the candidates, but how did he lose, was it close, did he have a wing in the party, 20%, 10? no, buttigieg dramatically dropped out of the race the very morning of that vote. >> this guy named pete whose last name nobody can pronounce, the mayor of south bend, indiana, was going to some how take the dnc by storm and surprise everybody. he withdraws during his nomination. >> he was going to be the guy. >> and the party went with perez over ellison, 235 to 200. politico reported buttigieg did
the math, he didn't have the needed support and so he didn't stay in the race. that was buttigieg's last big campaign. today, many democrats might not even remember it but what does it reveal about him and his candidacy. first, even with wide agreement, he was new and less experienced but mayor pete did find ways to breakthrough and win over party elites, that was part of his buzz in 2017, part of his fundraising now. the second thing is something that does apply to all kinds of politicians but is pronounced here. he is ambitiously audacious. when mayor pete jumped in the race in 2017, he didn't have the prominence of experience traditionally required to run a party, taking on a new president. by the end of the race, dnc voters still didn't think he had it but he's the one now running for president. thinkbo contrast it to these other democrats in the race. perez won and is running the party, not seeking a promotion to the white house. ellison, a member of congress lost and didn't seek the white house, he went on to become
minnesota asset attorney general. jamie harrison, as state party chair lost, and is running for senate, he was on the show tonight by coincidence, buttigieg decided the next step wasn't running for state office or senate, but running for president. no one else in that race thought their next move should be the white house, not even the 55-year-old former candidate official who won that race, no one except mayor pete. now, what are we to make of that ambition, who gets beat at one race, and instead of taking time or running for the job again, jumps ahead to run for a promotion for a much larger job and is that someone you want to be president? well, let's not answer too quickly. because that is a kind of political audacity that made its way to the white house before, all starting when an obscure politician holding a smaller job for mayor ran for office and lost, only to seek higher office. his quest began with a long shot primary against an incumbent congressman, bobby rush, obama
debating his elder and facing skepticism. >> i think that seniority is important but i think vision and imagination and hard work is more important. >> senator barack, he represents, his district has always been in englewood. what has he got. >> i can tell you. >> all of a sudden he can do a better job. >> that may look like a different obama than many see today, an accomplished former president. this was a young aspiring politician that few thought would make it to congress, let alone the white house, doing the local leg work and outreach that small time polls do. >> you know, that is one of the things that i like about this place, the prices are right and the portions are good. >> i ordered the southern sampler just because i couldn't make up my mind. i do have to put in a plug for their peach cobbler, which people tend to gobble up.
>> fact check, that cobbler does look good. obama spent those years doing normal reach out politics and made a generational challenge to congressman rush, but it didn't move the democrats in illinois, rush beat obama in a landslide. people concluded obama was quote too minor league, overeducated, arrogant, stiff, and obama didn't take that loss by just running for the same seat again or some other comparable office. he took that loss as a sign to think bigger and run for a more expensive and higher office, the u.s. senate. >> everybody right now feels cynical about the political process. i think that their leadership seems long on rhetoric but short on substance, politics seems to be more of a business than a mission. there's a sense that power always trumps principal, but i truly believe there's another tradition in this country that says that we're all connected somehow. >> i'm barack obama, i'm running for the united states senate and
i aproverprove this message to yes, we can. >> yes, we can, those words may echo in our minds as a path to the white house, at the time, local politicos were dismissive of obama seeking a promotion after a loss, noting there was little reason to think the obscure, state senator would prevail. obama believed you could lose small before winning big, if you prove your substance to voters and offer more in your next race than mere ambition. he was certainly taking a leap trying to get a bounce out of a primary loss to go to the senate. i'll voters found he had more than just political dreams. his stance against the iraq war in contrast to the party's nominee that year, john kerry suggested there were at least some things he wouldn't sacrifice for short-term ambition. he made an experienced plus by arguing against politics as usual and partisanship. sound familiar? now he was also, we should note if you want to do the analysis, he was blessed in that' 0 4
race, one -- '04 race, one imploded, replaced by allen keys. mayor pete is taking a leap, telling democrats who rejected him to run the party that he should now run the country just two years later, and he, to be clear, has less congressional experience than obama did when he ran for the white house. both these candidates are leaning into generation change, though, as an appeal to people who are sick of the way things are running now. >> the time is now to shake off our slumber, and slough off our fears and nmake good on the deb we owe past and future generations, today, together, we can finish the work that needs to be done, and usher in a new birth of freedom on this earth. >> you and i have the chance to usher in a new american spring. so with hope in our hearts and with fire in our
history. thank you. >> the point here is not that mayor pete's future will follow obama's past. nobody knows. the voters, you, will decide whether to reward or punish pete or any other politician's ambition. we know that even huge ambition taking a loss as a sign you should get a promotion is not always seen as disqualifying by the voters and sometimes voters embrace a call to blow up the way things are run when it's offered by new people who have literally nothing to do with the way things are run in washington.
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objection. >> point of order. we were told there will be no votes this morning. >> that was not announced. >> it was a public announcement, mr. speaker. this is a travesty of the process and you know it. our leadership is not here. our leadership is not here. >> i am objecting to this. >> we will not yield, mr. shameless theft of democracy. now, as mentioned here, there was some other video that did get captured. we're going to show you a democratic lawmaker started filming some of this, from representative deb butler who we were just hearing. >> how dare you do this, mr. speaker. i will not yield. >> we're not going to let anybody touch you. >> i will not yield mr. speaker. you shall not usurp the process,
mr.speaker. how dare you subject this body to trickery, deceptive practices, hijacking the process. >> a lot of intensity there, this very issue will still go to the state senate, and we will keep reporting on the story. don't go anywhere, when we come back, we report on donald trump heading to baltimore tomorrow where he's had a lot of beef. we bring on baltimore activist and author, deray mckesson, live on the beat, nice to see you. when we come back. beat, nice tu when we come back. hmm. exactly.
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president trump heading to baltimore tomorrow for a republican retreat as his whole justice department tries to role back consent decrees with the department there. and also the state's republican governor backing a controversial surveillance tackphic flying aircraft over specifics of the city. ycht to bring in my next guest, former baltimore mayoral candidate and black lives activist. what do you wantiosee for baltimore with the president heading there tomorrow and these ongoing debates? >> i can't imagine he does much good. he's trashed the city just like he's trashed other cities. we think about his recent comments with baltimore.
when i think about the city we have historic problems and you see this recent push and you just noted it about the surveillance plane potentially coming back. the this plane literally sat over the city of bault and it just recorded everything. and the rationale is that the if it records everything if there's a crime we can roll it back. the privacy concerns that leads to are immense. the thought you just have footage of everybody in the city of baltimore just at your will with no safeguarding and how that can be sold. and the mayor jack young seems to be okay with that, and it's shocking. >> as you say when data is collected it can be useful or misused. you can put a camera in every person's home and statistically you would find more crime, a lot of reasons why you don't do that and a lot of people say don't want a camera in my home. look at this headline. the best algorithms struggle
more to recognize, quote, black faces equally. when you look at that, i think we can put that up, u.s. government test find the top performing facial recognition systems misidentify blacks ten times higher. >> say for example if you use arrest data and we know black people are overrelated in arrests. that's because more black people are being arrested and with the facial recognition we find these technologies aren't even really tested on black people so they sort of wipe all black people faces as the same. that literally just means at least one arrest was made. it doesn't mean they found sort of the bad guy and there was a conviction. and in baltimore the clearance rate is less than 25% and we spend more than $500 million in
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now to another story tonight. there's new video of speaker pelosi going viral. this is all about the gun debate. take a look. >> the senate did not come back to pass the bill. i'm getting very angry about the silliness of these. senator mcconnell is standing in our way. we passed our bill in february.
don't ask me what we haven't done. we have done it. >> that was speaker pelosi's version of saying you better ask somebody. in this case ask senator mcconnell. she also in her own way was rejecting the frame whether you call it from the press or the political leads in washington that the house should come back in some sort of ceremonial return. the speaker arguing they voted, it's up to the senate. we can also tell you when you look at the facts the house panel just approved three new measures on this last night including a red flag bill, a ban on that controversial high capacity ammunition and a separate piece of legislation that was trying to prevent guns from getting in the hands of those convicted explicitly of hate crimes. that's of course a big issue when you look at the nature of some of these mass shootings and the hate associated with them.
we wanted to bring you that update to a story we will keep following on "the beat." i'll see you back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" is next. so who fires trump? let's play hardball. good evening. i'm crith matthews in washington. donald trump's chaotic presidency recalls the words of the great yogi burra. we're lost but we're making good time. every hour the president races from one crisis to the next then back, from iran's nuclear efforts to naelk's nuclear weapons. from trade brinkmanship with china to backing boris johnson's brexit. he fires