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me 20 seconds early which is very unlikely. i'll talk to two parents whose i appreciate it. young son nearly died from it. thank you, hallie jackson. we start this hour with the high craig melvin here, msnbc stakes for tonight's third headquarters in new york city. democratic presidential debate. texas showdown. the stage literally set. tonight's the night. 2020 democrats finally facing right now candidates are preparing for a moment that off on a single stage and there could propel them to the top of are some big story lines playing the pack or send them to the bottom of a crowded field. out as some are facing a nbc's first read newsletter came up with great story lines to make-or-break moment while others are trying to hold on to watch. first of all, the match-up, joe the momentum they've created. we'll break down strategy with campaign insiders. biden and elizabeth warren going head-to-head on the same stage plus a public health crisis that for the first time. will there be fireworks? demands urgent action, those are the tag team. in the last debate we saw warren the words from 145 ceos at some of this country's largest and sanders team up. will they do it again? companies. one of those ceos will join me the bounceback. live straight ahead. kamala harris had a standout debate moment in june. a vaping. she struggled in july. which harris will we see tonight? the revival, pete buttigieg and beto o'rourke will be looking the recapture the excitement from earlier in their campaigns. will it work for them?
and the moment, the candidates polling between 1% and 2%, julian castro, cory booker, senator amy klobuchar. can any of them seize on the opportunity provided by the national spotlight. let's bring in nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. he's made his way to houston, texas, to cover the debate. peter, what should we expect to see in the match-up between biden and warren? >> reporter: you summarized the likely story lines pretty well. this is notable. the first time in the course of this democratic campaign that we'll see joe biden and elizabeth warren on the same stage together, as you noted. ten candidates on stage, one night, three hours in all. biden will be flanked by sanders and warren. it's the first time he and warren have been on together, they have sparred in the of the pa. it goes back 17 years, she called him out by name in 2002
in an op-ed specifically for his support of a bill that would have made it harder to pursue a bankruptcy for individuals. the two got into it when she was testifying that as a harvard law professor in 2005 he was with the n rahhinging member of the senate judiciary committee and joked about it when he was a freshman senator in 2013, saying you gave me hell. specifically on the substance, shes has made up ground, a lot of it, climbing steadily in the polls by focusing on having a plan for most everything. at this point she's got a plan coming out just today to expand social security. biden criticizing warren for that. we could hear tonight, saying in effect, plans are good, rhetoric is good but results is more important. warren shoot back saying, you've got to started with a plan so you know what you are fighting for. so that is certainly something we will be focused on. what's striking is, as you look at these polls, this is still a
pretty night race. the latest national poll shows biden at 24%, warren at 18, and sanders within the margin of error at 17%. those are your top three. no one else polls in double digits. a lot to watch for as things get started here on a humid day in houston. >> peter alexander in a humid houston oopsz for for us. let's bring in mark leibovich and soeft professor of political science christina greer. mark, i'll start with you. are we expecting more fireworks tonight or this fresh overture of unity to continue among the democrats? >> i think -- look, it's hard to know. i think there are a number of ways this could go. this is the first debate in which there will be a single debate. obviously a lot of attention is being paid to elizabeth warren and joe biden. it's entirely likely they'll be too busy defending themselves
against other candidates who are trying to make names for themselves. obviously elizabeth warren has had a methodical and effective climb to the top tier over the past few months. joe biden has been hanging on. one thing i've found in covering the debates, it's almost always something you didn't anticipate a few hours before that you're talking about afterwards. so obviously wait and see is the safe way to look at this. it may be the soundest way to look at it. >> christina, beto o'rourke and pete buttigieg, they search for a moment. they had maybe arguably a couple of moments and then faded. realistic to believe they were able to revive their campaigns or do you think their moment has passed? >> beto has been in the news because of so many mass shootings that occurred since the last debate. the problem is beto has used expletives and expressed outrage, but where is your plan
and what are your policies if you're to be the executive of the united states. pete buttigieg enjoyed an early surge. he's been more quiet as of late. that doesn't mean he's not going to show up with real substantive plans and policies. the thing about buttigieg is he does connect with audiences large and small. he sort of has that obama 2007 problem, where he has to get people to imagine what an executive can look like that's something different than they've seen before. we'll see what happens tonight when it's only ten, but it's sort of ten -- it's the top ten, if you will. >> one of the things that continues to strike me, professor, despite the gaffs, despite the number of other candidates who have surged on occasion, joe biden, there hasn't been a single national poll since this campaign started in which he has trailed. are you surprised at all that vice president biden has managed to stay on top of the heap the entire time? >> not at all. he has 40 years of name recognition and eight years as the vice president.
so he is largely riding on, for a lot of voters and a lot of people on these polls, he's the one that they know. there are a lot of americans who have no idea who other senators or mayors or members of congress have been. if we also notice, he's been steadily declining ever so slightly since he came on the scene. when he first announced he was in the nye 30s, low 40s. slowly but surely, warren, bernie, harris and buttigieg have been chipping away. if you remember the last two deb baeds, whenever joe biden was called on time, he just said, all right, forget about it. now this is the varsity league. you're not with jv and the intermurals which we've seen before. people will want him to finish. he's been faltering, i think he's been coasting a lot on sort of his alliances with obama and the fact that many people know who he is. he's going to have to show up tonight. >> you know what, mark, you can make the same argument for
bernie sanders. he's been in the national spotlight for a while. there's a new poll that shows bernie sanders leading joe biden in new hampshire by nearly eight points there in that battleground state. bernie sanders tonight, what would you be advising bernie sanders to do as we go into this third debate? >> well, one thing i would advise him to do is probably not listen to anything i tell him, but i don't think i have to do that. one of the appeals of bernie sanders is he's been on the scene for a long time. people who support him know what he stands for. he's been saying basically the same things for 30, 40 years. his message of essentially just shrinking economic inequality, sort of just the wealth gap, if you will, has been something that is something everyone can rely on. joe biden in the same way has a very durable base. he has a lot of good will from tro dishls or working class
white voters, a lot of frrk voters. that's goings to carry the day for a long time early on. if you look at elizabeth warren, she's building support and gaining newer support whereas the other two have sort of a historic base to draw on. bernie sanders, i'm guessing, again this is just prognostication, is going to be who he's always been. i don't think he's a candidate who is going to come out with any gimmick, not going to try to confront joe biden on something he might have said 20 years ago. you pretty much know what you're going to get with bernie sanders. that's one of the reasons he'll be at the top of the polls and probably be. >> mark leibovich, professor greer, thank you as well. you also worked with him to oppose busing. there was a little girl in california, she was bused to school every day. and that little girl was me.
>> vice president biden, you're simply inaccurate in what you're describing. your plan by contrast leaves out almost 10 million americans. >> what will be her strategy tonight? let's ask a woman that works closely with senator kamala harris. she's with the candidate in houston ahead of tonight's debate. harris campaign senior adviser lefonza butler. senator harris is largely focused on joe biden during the last two debates. what will her focus tonight be? >> thanks so much for having me today, craig. her focus will be continuing to talk to the ari sure american voters know she's going to take on donald trump and we've got to turn on the page in this country and focus on the issues that unite democrats, but unite the nation. she is going to be focused on talking about her 3:00 agenda, the agenda that keeps americans
up at night and how do we craft real solutions to everyday problems and prove to the counted that we are ready to lead on their behalf. >> she was, as you know, criticized a bit after the last debate for challenging president obama's -- some of his policies, specifically on health care. she saw a dip in the polls after that debate. does the campaign think that perhaps was the cause for the dip? >> no. i think that what we believe and the strategy that we've been following and will continue to follow is to bring the voices of american people to the debate stage. we're going to do that tonight. we know we have listened to voters from iowa to new hampshire, south carolina and beyo beyond. what we want to focus on doing and what we've done from the first debate to tonight is make sure those voices, those issues are brought to the debate stage and we can have conversation about those issues.
all the candidates have tried to do that in their own way. senator harris is really focusing on the issues that bring the country together. >> she was also attacked a bit for her prosecutorial record from fellow candidate tulsi gabbert. >> she kept people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of california and fought to keep the bail system in place that impacts poor people in the worst kind of way. >> how is she preparing to defend herself against attacks like that tonight? >> you know, senator harris has worked for the people in the role of district attorney and attorney general for more than 20 years. her values and why she became a prosecutor really has been on display, and i think the attacks that are being levied are just
distractions. we'll be focusing on why she became a prosecutor, the incredible accomplishments that she was able to secure for californians, whether it was taking on big banks or taking on pharma or creating more justice in our broken criminal justice system. that's where we're going to be focused tonight. >> the real clear politics national poll average has the senator right now at 6.5%. again, this is, of course, a poll of polls, if you will, the average of all the national polls so far. if she stays in single digit, laphonza, how much longer can the campaign continue? >> i think that's going to be up to voters, craig. voters from everywhere that we go on the ground, the energy is so electric. there's not a place or an opportunity that the senator has to engage with voters where she feels anything reflective of a
single digit in the poll of polls, as you refer to it. so we're going to stay focused on connecting with voters, making sure those voices are heard, that those issues that bring the country together are lifted up and that's how the senator is going to focus her presidency and not really pay attention to polls, but pay attention to voters. >> laphonza butler in houston, thank you. >> thank you so much, craig. right after the debate tonight we ealing have live reaction and analysis with brian williams, nicolle wallace, chris matthews and joy reid. that's tonight at 11:00 eastern only on msnbc. twitter, uber, leavy's, gap, just some of the 145 companies whose ceos are teaming up to see that the u.s. senate does something about gun violence. one of those ceos will join me next. also public health crisis. what's spurring the white house to ban flavored e-cigarettes as
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145 ceos of the country's leading companies are pressuring senate leaders in a letter to pass gun reform legislation. keith messes ridge is here in the studio. i'll read a snippet of the letter for our viewers on sirius satellite radio. this is the letter you sent to the senate. we are writing to you because we have a responsibility and obligation to stand up for the safety of our employees, customers and all americans in the communities we serve across the country. doing nothing about america's gun violence crisis is simply unacceptable and it is time to stand with the american public on gun safety. there are steps congress can and must take to prevent and reduce gun violence. we need our lawmakers to support common sense gun laws that could prevent tragedies like these. that's an excerpt from the letter. specifically, what do you and the other 144 ceos want to see
done? >> 100 die from gun violence every day. we all have a bully pulpit. it's up to us to tell the senate to act. our customers, employees want that to happen. it's time we stand up and say it's time to act. >> is there a specific piece of legislation you're backing, specific elements of legislation that you're backing? >> background checks and red flag laws. we think that's a reasonable way to take action that can be done immediately. vast majority of americans want that to happen. no reason it can't be done. >> why do you and your fellow executives feel now is the time to send this letter? >> a lot of banks have taken the position of not lending to gun manufacturers and ammunition manufacturers. that's not enough. we can do that but all of us have an important voice. government hasn't been able to act. we think ceos, if we add our b voice to the debate, we can get something to happen. >> this isn't the first time amalgamated has taken a position
on gun violence, not what we typically think of as a bank's political position. what's behind your institution's interest here? >> great question, craig. we have a clientele of people who are progressive individuals, progressive organizations. they think a lot about the bank they put their money and what the bank does with those resources. i think our customers would be proud to see us stand up and say we have to do something about the public health crisis that exists. >> we're showing some of the other companies that have signed on. what's been the reaction from members of your board? what's been the reaction from other financial institutions? do you expect more business leaders to sign on? >> my email is lit up with people saying thank god you took a stand and stood up for the right thing to do in this country today. >> no worry it's going to cost you business? >> not at all. our customers care about this issues, vast majority of americans care about this issue. >> have you heard back from senate leaders yet?
>> the customers are the runs that took the courage to coordinate this entire effort. >> keith, thank you. keep us posted on the effort as well. an issue that the white house and democrats in congress can agree on, tackling the vaping crisis. up next, i'll talk to two parents who were watching their son deal with the effects of e-cigarettes. he was on a rest ra prater for days. ...after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections... ...and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection... ...or symptoms such as fevers,... ...sweats, chills, muscle aches or coughs... ...or if you plan to or recently received a vaccine. i feel free to bare my skin. visit skyrizi.com.
bipartisan support in washington, d.c., tackling a bit of a medical mystery. the illnesses and deaths linked to vaping and the use of e-cigarettes. president trump just announced the administration plans to ban the sale of non-tobacco flavored sig relts cigarettes to try to teenagers from using them. capitol hill calling for more oversight on this largely unregulated industry. in the u.s. alone there have been six deaths possibly related to vaping, at least 496 suspected respiratory illnesses. one of those 496 people is
21-year-old elijah mcclure. he spent 11 days on a respirator in the hospital after feeling chest pain and nausea that had a suspected link to vaping. joined his his parents cedric and tammy mcclure, thank you for being with me. first of all, i understand he got off the respirator last night. how is he doing? >> he's doing well. as you might imagine, being on a respirator for 11 days, he needs to get his strength back. he wants some gatorade. >> it's a nice time. >> what did you say? >> it's a thrilling time for first step to recovery. >> i can only imagine. tammy, walk us through what happened when he started to get sick and how did you guys know something was wrong. >> sure. so he had ultimately started on
8/19, he started to feel more like fever, chills, a little bit of nauz yarks not being able to sleep. he thought he was just getting a flu. by that friday he reached out to us and said i think i need to go to the doctor. he's not a kid that likes the doctor. he doesn't like to bother us as parents and he'll usually try to work it out himself. at that point we knew he's not feeling well. he brought himself in the urgent care. they did some basic tests and thought maybe it would be viral and sent him home saying drink fluids, take some tylenol and ibuprofen and get some rest. over the course of the weekend the symptoms seemed to progress. a little bit more respiratory, a little more nausea. so on that monday we went back in to another doctor at urgent care, another series of testings, and they sent him home with antibiotics, a pill.
unfortunately because the nausea got so bad, the entire monday was spent with violent heaving in terms of nausea and just total illness. so we brought him back, again, emergency room. i indicated at that point he needs to have further care and he needs to be admitted. >> how much was he vaping? >> you know, i would probably say it was a regular day situation. this was something that he had done in his early to late teens. it was something cedric and i really took a hard stand on. i didn't like it at all. it was a major point of contention in the household. so he pretty much put it under ground. i think over the course of the years, it probably got to be --
>> cedric, what would the two of you like to see lap with regard to regulating the industry? what do you think needs to happen? >> first of all, i think it should be regulated. the way in which the vaping manufacturers have went after young people, packaging them in the flavors that young people typically like, i think in many ways is disturbing. we've got to get away to regulate this product. in fact, i would like to see it even removed. i'd also like to see parents, they need to talk to young people and people in the community to have more conversations, to raise our awareness and understanding and knowledge about the dangers of vaping. we've been incredibly blessed when we put our story on
facebook. it's been reshared almost 300 times and the out pour and support. people have been talking about vaping. it's been around us. it's been talked about in small circles. it's time we stand up as a community and protect our young people in particular. >> really quickly, guys, before i let you go. did he smoke traditional cigarettes before we switched to vaping or did he just start with vaping? >> he started with vaping. he actually did not like the concept of smoking. he's not one that really was a regular drinker. i think this was just his choice. i think he firmly believed this was a healthy alternative to cigarettes. i don't think he saw the ramifications of what this could bring. >> tammy, sedric, thank you both. our thoughts and prayers are with elijah. please keep us posted.
>> thank you. >> i want to bring in dr. davidson from raleigh, north carolina, the lead author of the cdc's new report, studying the outbreak of electronic cigarette illnesses. dr. davidson, thank you so much for your time. first of all, what do we know about these illnesses so far? what are the symptoms that folks should be on the lookout for? >> thank you so much for having me. i appreciate coming on to speak about this subject. the patient that you just had on who isseen. my colleagues and i found and described some of the first nor coast to coast in what's been described over 33 different states. these are young healthy patients who are vape iing end up with a
whole range of symptoms. sometimes there's fevers, abdominal discomfort, nausea and vomiting. the story that was just provided of coming in and being initially treated for a certain diagnosis or being treated for another malady and not improving is unfortunately also very common. what we ended up diagnosingality our hospital was a very rare form of pneumonia called lipoid pneumonia. this is something that something most doctors and nurses are considering asking about in part because vaping has really skyrocketed in its use among our nation's youth. in our cases, we described this lipoid pneumonia and it has possible treatments. this is a new cluster of illnesses similar from coast to coast and nothing we've seen like this before. >> here is the thing, dr. davidson. elijah's parents just talked about this as well. originally when cigarettes came onto the scene, they were
marketed as a device that helped people who are addicted to regular cigarettes stop smokal. do we have an entire new generation of kids addicted to nicotine? >> i think that's a really good point to make. maybe even in the medical community there could have been interest in other modalities for patients to stop smoking. we know smoking is bad. what you've pointed out is true, there's a skyrocketing amount, the rates of adolescents and teenagers who are now smoking -- who are vaping rather, has surged. this isn't the first time our nation has been faced with nicotine dependence in our youth. back in the 1960s this was a problem as well. at that time the government stepped in. in 1970 a law was enacted that
restricted tobacco companies from being able to advertise on radio and tv and it worked. now what we're seeing is a new era, and we have a whole range of flavors that are seemingly much easier for youth to become interested in. we have bubble gum and mango flavors, and you can say these are not intended for people in their 60s or 70s to stop smoking. it's geared to our youth. >> this statement, quote, in the history of the united states prohibition has never worked. it didn't work with alcohol. it hasn't worked with marijuana. it won't work with e-cigarettes. juul has said it welcomes regulation. dr. david son, as a medical professional, do you think a ban
could discourage people from trying vaping? >> that's a tough question. we live in a country -- inhaling substances is not healthy. any means we can get to decrease the amount of smoking in particular in vulnerable populations like our nation's youth, any means we can do to decrease that is worthwhile. for that reason i think it's a reasonable thing to try. but i wouldn't let this water down the fact that we have two big problems right now. we have a surging amount of nicotine use and vaping in our nation's youth. we also have a coast to coast outbreak. i think you just quoted, nearly 500 cases nationwide and sick deaths of a vaping related illness that seems to have close association with marijuana oils. that's another very important problem. that's something we also need to inform the public, inform doctors, inform nurses to be on
the lookout for. >> dr. ken davidson, thank you. >> thank you so much. i appreciate the time. in less than two weeks the director of the centers for disease control and prevention is expected to testify before house subcommittee on this very issue. house oversight subcommittee on economic consumer policies as congress tries to get to the bottom of what's causing these illnesses. the chairman of the oversight committee joins me now, a deck krat from illinois. congressman, thank you. first of all, congressman, do you support the president's proposed ban on non-tobacco flavored e-cigarettes. >> i think that's a good step in the right direction. i should say there's more that has to be done. he's cited our investigation and our hearing testimony as partially an impetus for this ban. but we need to see more done, craig. >> more like? >> at least a couple things.
one is there's an abnormally high amount of nicotine associated with e-cigarettes. in a pod of e-cigarettes you have more nicotine than in one full pack of combustible cigarettes. and for middle schoolers or high schoolers who are even trying this out, they get hooked on a potential lifetime of nicotine addiction. so that's another area we have to tackle as well. >> just days ago the fda issued a warning letter to juul saying the company violated the law by marketing their product as a safer alternative to smoking. what more do you think juul should be doing? >> so this fda letter that was issued in response to our investigation basically asked them to stop marketing the e-cigarettes in a way that would imply or expressly say that they
are safer than combustible cigarettes. but there was another concern that we raised in our letter from last friday which is that juul is also marketing these devices as smoking cessation devices. that again is a claim made without any proof, without any evidence and it's not made with fda approval. therefore, that, too, is illegal. >> experts say a ban would help stop vaping's won't help teenag already addicted to this stuff. what can congress do for those teenagers? >> i personally think that regulating the nicotine levels, but also potentially looking at putting user fees or taxes similar to what we do with combustible cigarettes is appropriate for e sig rates and using those moneys to then deal with weaning these people off addiction and also prevention campaigns, similar to what we did with regard to combustible cigarettes. my wife and i are the parent of
both a high schooler and a middle schooler, and i've got to tell you, during our august recess when i was at home, parents were just up in arms about this crisis. we've got to take appropriate measures right now to stop this epidemic, craig. >> congressman, really quickly, do you think part of the public health crisis that we're talking about here, how much is about traditional e-cigarettes and how much is about people getting the black market stuff, whether it's thc oil and inserting it into those cartridges instead? >> i've got to tell you, juul has 80% of the market. they are the dominant producer of these e-cigarettes. there might be black market providers as well. i believe that the federal government needs to crack down on all of them at this point. i've got to tell you, this is also not a partisan issue. in a place that's unfortunately very partisan, namely congress, this particular issue cuts across party lines.
people of both affiliations or all affiliations are basically saying our kids are off limits. our kids are not for sale with regard to e-cigarettes. >> congressman, thank you. >> thank you, craig. the impeachment dumpster fire. that's how politico describes where things are this morning as democrats are grappling with how to proceed. house speaker nancy pelosi just weighed in on how things stand. i mean, if you haven't thought about switching to geico,
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in the last few minutes shows speaker nancy pelosi made it clear she is over all the questions about whether democrats are actually taking steps to impeach president trump. here is what she just told our geoff bennett. >> i stand by what we've been doing all along, i support what is happening in the judiciary committee because that enables them to do their process of interrogation and their investigation and i salute them for that work. >> is the specific language not important? how should the american people understand -- >> the american people understand -- you're the only ones that are sewing this -- >> that's not true. >> i've traveled the entire country. come with me sometime and you'll hear what the american people are saying. they understand that impeachment is a very divisive measure, but if we have to go there, we'll have to go there. that's all i'm going to say about this subject. >> that came about an hour after
the house judiciary committee ramped up works a potential impeachment hearing. i'm joined by msnbc political contributor jake sherman and former rnc chair and msnbc political analyst michael steele is with us at all. jake, i'll start with you. i know you were in the room with nancy pelosi a short time ago. it would seem as if she's over all the impeachment talk. >> she's over the questions, that's for sure. what ri' been saying the last couple days and what sources have been telling me non-stop is the only person you need to watch here and we've talked about this before on air is nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi has been remarkably consistent. people around her, other house democrats have wanted to go farther. nancy pelosi said that democrats are legislating, investigating and litigating, a three-prong approach she believes is the key to success for house democrats right now. frankly, she's frustrated by these questions and thinks
line, but that they're a waste of time. until there are impeachment articles in front of the committee, all democre views it. she views the kind of all over their rhetoric as a creation of the media. of course, we don't view it as that. democrats have been all over the map when it comes to what they are doing to hold the president accountable, but in nancy pelosi's view, they have been consistent and she hasn't moved one iota. >> michael steele, what are democrats trying to do here and do you think we actually get to an impeachment vote in the judiciary committee? >> i think i'm the wrong person to answer that question. >> i disagree. >> i don't know. i think they need to settle down and follow the leader. nancy's instincts on this are i think spot on. she's reading the american public. there is no appetite for what a significant number of the least members of the caucus want to do
with regard to impeachment. she's done a phenomenal job, to jake's point, at sort of putting up the barrier to keep those flood gates from really overflowing and bursting through to where the public is not. i think that's the play here. it will be the play. i think what nadler and others are doing is sort of going down this road of saying two things, one, we are going to look at and put in place those mechanisms that may be triggered when impeachment happens, if it happens. but at the same time continue investigating because that ultimately is going to be more foundational than anything else, not just for impeachment, but in the public's mind when they're making judgments about the 020 election. >> michael, you don't think the public has become desensitized to a lot of this? do you think the average american is paying attention and cares about this idea of impeachment? >> no. they've walked past it.
they've said -- polls have shown, 55, almost 60% of the american people don't want to do this. they see it, as the speaker put it, they see it as divisive. they don't want to engage on this the way the democrats want to do a full dog and pony show around impeachment. i think her instincts remain true. she sidewalk with her, she'll show you, you'll hear people tell her what they think about impeachment. it is not do it now. it is don't do it at all. >> your newsletter, jake sherman there, politico, you called it a dumpster fire this morning. what makes it such? >> well, i mean, listen. it's right to point out there are a lot of people saying a lot of different things on impeachment. yesterday steny hoyer, the number two democratic had to walk back some of his comments on impeachment. you had the judiciary committee weeks ago touting what they eventually passed today as the first step toward getting more serious about an impeachment
inquiry. there's competing dynamics here. there's the leadership which sees their caucus which is made up of people who won in a lot of right leaning districts or more right leaning than others. you have more progressive democrats in touch with the base and the democratic the democrat base no doubt wants to impeach this president. so, you have a push and pull there. one thing i would point out is anybody can ask for impeachment vote at any point. as soon as it comes to the floor it will get a vote almost immediately. you could put it off for a couple of days or some period of time. but democrats haven't even begun ratcheting up the pressure on the speaker in the way that they could. i'm not sure that they will, but that's an important dynamic to watch out over the next couple of months. i want to make one more quick point here. there are only 37 legislative days left in this year. so, if the democrats are going to do something, something has
to happen and very, very soon. >> i saw you nodding. >> yeah. jake just put his finger on the most important point here. this is not like you're without recourse. those members, those significant numbers of the caucus who won impeachment could go to the floor and just put it on the table and it would have to be addressed but they haven't. and they haven't because they know instinctively nancy pelosi is right on this even though their particular urgings toward impeachment may compel them to do differently. i think they're because they know once it's on the floor. >> good to have you. after her summer surge, elizabeth warren coming under fire from member of her own party. could this be a preview of tonight? i didn't have to call 911. and i didn't have to come get you.
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a new article in "politico" digs into the lingering animosity between warren and former members of the obama administration. alex thompson wrote that new article on warren. and donna edwards is a former democratic congresswoman from maryland. thanks to both of you. alex, let me start with you because i want to read this part of the story. interviews with more than 50 top officials in the obama white house and treasury department, members of warren's inner circle and warren herself reveal a far more come pattive relationship between her and the administration than she usually discusses on the campaign trail. tensions between warren and obama were palpable to white house aides. what's the root of these bad feelings, and how do we think they're going to come into play during the campaign? >> the root of the bad feelings is that they really see the financial crisis completely differently whereas joe biden
talks about he and obama saved the economy from a great depression, elizabeth warren sees this as a time of her candidacy which is that the system is rigged. they see the era completely different. warren see the obama administration's recovery which focused on the big banks as part of the reason that donald trump won in the first place. so, there's really two different visions of what happened at this time, and that is the core of the disagreement. >> congresswoman, i want to get your take on something else. brian is a friend of the show. he prepped hillary clinton for her debates with then candidate trump. he writes the men in this field and men in general are easier to rile up and are more likely to meet an tag any zags with aggression. i believe any one of the women candidates, woman candidates, is
better to face trump if had a debate because they will not swing as wildly as men are likely to do. there's a larger question about sexism and misogyny while men face no head wind. but against trump, women have the upper hand. what say you to do that, congresswoman? >> i do think if you look at the 2016 race in the way that hillary clinton really did manage donald trump, especially when he was stalking her around the floor -- i remember that -- but that doesn't necessarily translate into votes. so, i think either way whether you're looking at kamala harris or amy klobuchar or elizabeth warren, they will have the deathness to be able to handle donald trump in a different way that makes his kind of confrontation and antagonism seem very, very awkward and controlling. so, there may be something to
that. but look, i think that elizabeth warren right now is at a place where people recognize that she's a threat and it's not a surprise at all that a lot of this information is starting to come out to challenge her candidacy. and we'll see how she handles that. >> what are you looking for tonight, congresswoman? >> well, finally we have all of the top tier candidates on the same stage. and to be perfectly honest with you, i think some of these candidates are going to have to really come up with a rationale after tonight about why they're even still in the race because, you know, the field has really started to separate. and i'm looking to see some of the contrast on issues like health care and immigration, looking to see the ways in which they handle both their agenda but also that they distinguish themselves without being harmful of their colleagues on the stage. so, you know, it's going to be a good show. >> indeed it should be.
congresswoman donna edwards. thank you. alex thompson, thank you as well. wish we had more time, but we're out of it. that's going to wrap up hour of "msnbc live." coach craig. we loved seeing you in the "today show" team. do you have any coaching teams for us? >> my only tip would be don't do it, andrea. don't do it. >> i don't know. i think you've got another whole career out there. thank you, craig melvin. and might now on "andrea mitchell" reports, ten democrats, one big stage, the big showdown in houston. the three front runners facing off for the first time. and trying to make their mark in the race. >> what i want to do is focus on what we didn't get to do, let them know what i will do as president. >> i see this as a chance to