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that is our show for today. "a.m. joy" will be back tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern. mean meanwhile, alex witt has the latest. >> i miss having you here, too. our condolences to malcolm nance. that is terrible news. >> cancer is the worst thing. it's just evil. but malcolm is a wonderful, wonderful person, as you know. he's just a great guy. >> very much so. so, our hearts go out to him. my friend, talk to you soon. thanks again. and a good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." breaking news and official confirmation, a son of osama bin laden is killed. a u.s.-led operation behind it.
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nbc news confirming an argument with the president came just before john bolton's departure, but what was the disagreement about? we've got answers ahead on that. the question was about slavery. the answer included record players and venezuela. the fallout joe biden is facing today. plus, legacy shift. the change that happened at the presidential debate when it came to bringing up president obama. but now, with two stories breaking this hour, first, this fiery explosion you see here. it's the result of a drone attack. it hit a saudi arabia oil refinery. the "wall street journal" says this forced saudi arabia to shut down about half of its oil output, and that amounts to about 5% of the world's daily crude oil production. this all comes as the white house confirms one of osama bin laden's sons and a high-ranking member of al qaeda had been killed in a u.s. counterterrorism operation. nbc's hans nichols is at the white house with that story, but first, we're going to go to you, sarah harman, in london with the
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latest on this saudi arabia drone attack. what has happened here? >> hey, alex. early saturday, an oil field that's operated by saudi aramco, the state-owned oil giant, was attacked by a number of drones. you showed those dramatic pictures. you can see the flames and the smoke rising from the facility. yemen's houthi rebels have claimed responsibility for this attack, and they're saying it was one of their largest attacks ever inside the kingdom. now, according to the "wall street journal" report that you mentioned, this closure is going to impact almost 5 million barrels of crude oil production. that's about 5% of the world's daily oil production. i have to say, that is according to the "wall street journal." we here in the london bureau are, of course, chasing confirmation of that, but we can't independently confirm it for you at this point. what's important to keep in mind, alex, is that there's essentially a proxy war going on in yemen between iran and saudi
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arabia. the houthis play a part in that, and they've attacked facilities inside saudi arabia in the past. if this is, in fact, the houthis, as they claim, it would be a significant escalation of their capability. alex? >> absolutely! this particular attack is clearly quite lethal there with that wasted oil and those fires, so it's remarkable pictures. all right, sarah harman, thank you for following that for us from london. we'll get more to you later. meantime, let's go to the white house and the confirmation of the death of osama bin laden's son. nbc's hans nicol has more on the breaking developments. hans nichols what do we know about this? >> reporter: the president has decided to confirm this officially. this came from a white house statement, not a twitter feed. the president about a couple of hours ago, from his office, a statement from the president says that hamza bin laden has been killed. now, he's doing this three days after the anniversary of 9/11. nbc news was first to report back in july, july 31st, i believe, that hamza bin laden was believed to be dead. now, at the time, military officials didn't give a whole
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lot of detail. the only real detail additionally that we have this morning is confirmation from the president and the location where he was killed. and according to statement, he was killed in the afghan/pakistan region. now, that's an indication, perhaps a hint, that this may have been done through counterterrorism forces by the cia, because the military only operates, u.s. military only operates in afghanistan, at least officially. so, there seems to be a bit of a hint there. they're not giving us the time of when he was killed, and they're not giving us much more specifics beyond the actual location. so, we're going to have to find out why the president decided to disclose this today, what sort of signal it is. and remember, alex, the context for all this are these failed peace talks in afghanistan. remember, a week ago today the president tweeted that he was going to host taliban leaders at camp david to consummate a peace deal. he canceled those secret talks at the last second. and then throughout the week, the white house has been explaining about what they're going to do with the 14,000 u.s.
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troops that remain in afghanistan. they haven't given a lot of specifics, but they're kind of -- and the president, when you listen to him, seems to be hinting that you're still going to have a troop drawdown. he hasn't officially said all this. of course, the other big story this lands in is what's going to be and who is going to be the new national security adviser after john bolton was either resigned or dismissed, depending whose version earlier in the week. allern? >> i guess with regard to the timing of all this, certainly 9/11 and the dust-up with regard to what was scheduled to happen at camp david last weekend and then did not -- do we know when the white house got confirmation of this death? >> reporter: no, but we can presume some time before july 31st when nbc news reported it, unless nbc and other news organizations intercepted it before it went to the white house. but it seems like the president was made aware, at least the news organizations were reporting this, on august 1st, when he was asked about it on
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the south lawn. and at that time, the president declined to comment, which as you know from the president's south lawn departures is somewhat rare. so, perhaps they were waiting for additional confirmation. they received it now. either way, this is an official confirmation, that the heir to -- the potential heir, right? he wasn't in charge of al qaeda, at least according to intelligence officials that we speak to. that was still al zawahiri. that he was almost the spiritual heir to the terrorist empire and that he no longer poses a threat is something the white house is trying to put a foot stamp on. >> absolutely. his last name had a lot of power behind it. thank you, hans nichols at the white house. joining me, gabby orr with politico and john harwood, editor at large. gabby, what do you think about the timing of this announcement, anything to it. >> i think hans kind of hit the nail on the head here. it is kind of suspicious, given how much pushback president trump got last weekend over this invite of the taliban to negotiate with him at camp
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david. even his most ardent supporters were surprised that that invitation was ever extended in the first place. and so, i think that the white house is trying to do some type of damage control here by announcing this development today. >> yeah. i'm going to ask you the same question about timing but add this as well, john, because the state department described hans as an emerging al qaeda leader who has threatened attacks against the u.s. so, okay, timing here. what do you think? >> well, i think gabby and hans are both right, the president's been getting a lot of pushback for the idea that on the anniversary of 9/11, or around the anniversary of 9/11, he would have taliban leaders to camp david. he just replaced the national security adviser, who was a national security hawk, who had a reputation for very tough approaches to an array of national security challenges, and therefore, president trump was sort of on his back foot from that and looking to some of
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his supporters as somebody who had gone a little bit oddly soft. and i think this is an attempt by the white house to say, no, no, we're tough, we've gotten this son of osama bin laden. it is notable that he's described as somebody who was planning attacks. i don't know how active operationally he was, but i think this is the white house trying to say, hey, you know, you remember barack obama got osama bin laden? well, we got his kid. >> hmm, okay. with regard to the timing this week, certainly, gabby, it comes to the heels of john bolton's ouster as national security adviser. nbc news is reporting that his departure came after the president suggested he might lift some sanctions on iran to incentivize them to get back to the negotiating table. how significant is this? what's your takeaway? >> i think a lot of people were kind of taken aback from the very beginning when president trump brought john bolton on board as his national security adviser. they're just not two peas in a
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pod when it comes to foreign policy. i think it's safe to say that. and so, on many points over the course of the last year and a half with john bolton in the white house, the president has found himself disagreeing with his own national security adviser and things certainly reached a boiling point this past weekend when president trump obviously reacted to bibi netanyahu saying that he might be comfortable with the president meeting with iranian officials, something that hasn't been done in quite some time. the president now floating that idea of meeting with rouhani at the u.n. general assembly later this month. he received a great deal of internal pushback from john bolton over that, and it was just the last straw. and i do think that he's going to be looking for somebody, as he completes his search for a replacement in national security adviser, for somebody who is more in line with his isolationist views and also his reluctance to get involved in foreign wars. >> i'm curious, john, your thoughts on what the president will be looking for.
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what should he be looking for in what will be his fourth national security adviser? >> well, the president, as time has gone on, has generally gone to people who are more deferential to him who don't push back. he is not a president with strong ideological views. he has certainly impulses, and they're sometimes at odds with one another. he does have, as gabby indicated, an impulse to pull back from foreign entanglements, but he also has the impulse to appear to be very tough and the kind of person who is going to strike back against threats to the united states. the problem is, when you have an administration that doesn't have its pick of the a-team on the republican side -- many people don't want to work for him -- he's going to look for -- find people who have some expertise. inevitably, those people are going to have some views, and it's very likely that given the
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disparate impulses the president has, he will find himself in conflict with that person, just like he was with h.r. mcmaster, fired him, replaced him with john bolton and then came back and we've learned recently he's called mcmaster on the phone and said, "i miss you." >> isn't that interesting, asking him for advice and thoughts on things. stand by can because the house judiciary chairman is accusing the department of justice of a cover-up for trying to block his committee from the underlying evidence gathered during the special counsel's russia investigation. >> we have been very clear for the last several months in court filings, in public statements, and in proceedings in the committee, that we are, in fact, conducting an investigation, preparing to decide whether to recommend articles of impeachment to the house. this is another instant of the trump administration trying to cover up and hide from congress and from the american people, in this case from congress, because the american people wouldn't see the grand jury information --
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all kinds of information. >> in a new court filing late today, the doj argues democrats should not have access to mueller's secret grand jury evidence, and why? well, the doj says in part because dems have not made it at all clear that this is an impeachment inquiry. here's a taste of the democrat messaging. >> for anyone that was confused, we are in the midst of an investigation. >> so, it's a bit technical inside baseball, maybe. >> essentially, the impeachment inquiry has already begun. >> people can call this whatever they want to call it. >> i don't want to get caught in semantics. >> the only vote that is ultimately going to matter is whether we vote to impeach him. >> meanwhile, the president is facing a renewed legal challenge after a federal judge revived a lawsuit alleging he is making money from government officials doing business at his hotel in washington, d.c. despite that, there was another conservative event at that hotel, further blurring the lines between donald trump's businesses and his presidency. vice president mike pence spoke
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at the event and tweeted about it. also taking the stage, secretary of state mike pompeo, who even took a shot at the media. >> i look around, this is such a beautiful hotel. the guy who owns it must have been successful somewhere along the way. that was for the "washington post," in case they're in the back. >> okay, that's funny. gab a gab gabby orr and john harwood are back. this reference to the "washington post," look at the time, it comes after the paper reported about pompeo and pence's scheduled appearances at this trump property. according to "the post," similar events in that room have cost tens of thousands of dollars, but then the trump administration argues their appearances did not steer business to the president's hotel because the host had already chosen the venue before inviting the two officials. you know, we heard others talking with regard to the impeachment inquiry about semantics. i don't know if that's a play here. do you think the white house just isn't at all concerned
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about this optics of this, gabby, since the president promised he would never use his public power to boost his private businesses. what happened to that? >> great question, alex. it's definitely not something that's being talked about inside the white house. if anything, they don't see any problems with hosting events at trump properties, including the g7 next year. obviously, they've talked quite a bit about what that would look like, in terms of having that global summit in miami at the president's doral golf course. and unquestionably, that would benefit the president in terms of funneling money from foreign governments who send their leaders to that g7 summit to pay for people to stay at his property, to pay for all of the security that would be involved. i mean, that's just one instance of many that we've seen happen under this administration and in the close circle surrounding it. i can't tell you how many invitations i've gotten from people who have exited the trump administration at one point or
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another and are now hosting their book parties at the trump hotel in downtown d.c. and attracting dozens of friends and spouses and family members who are going to patronize that business. i mean, it is something that absolutely deserves a closer look and i think it's one of the reasons why the white house is so upset that the "washington post" is digging into this. >> i do know they have a thursday night trump-related cocktail hour. but john, your thoughts on all this? >> look, the president does not care about the emoluments clause to the constitution. and given the current configuration of the republican party, the republican party doesn't care, either. the president clearly has revenue streams coming into his businesses from his official duties. now, there is one remedy for that, right? there's not an emoluments law. there's not a prosecutor that's going to come and investigate and make a judgment. the only remedy is a
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constitutional one, it's impeachment. and the plain fact, as you saw from the statements, those various statements from house democrats, is they're scared of impeachment. they could do it. they could begin an impeachment process right now. i think most of them privately believe that ought to be done, but they're scared of the political consequences. nancy pelosi's concerned about the political consequences. and so, they're kind of tiptoeing around this and we'll see whether the clock runs out on the whole thing when we get to the end of 2019 and we get into 2020 and they're not going to touch it, or the thing boils over and they find it to be irresistible. we don't know the answer right now, but we do know that they're very apprehensive about undertaking that. >> yeah. okay. john harwood and gary orr, always like to speak with you guys. thanks so much. we, of course, have some breaking weather news to share. a developing tropical storm, humberto, is making its way towards the northwestern bahamas, and this is two weeks
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after dorian struck those same islands as a category 5 hurricane, leaving tens of thousands homeless. look at the destruction right there. let's go to meteorologist janessa webb with the latest on all this. insult to injury times ten, it feels like. >> exactly, alex. this has only been two weeks here and now we're in the peak of hurricane season. now, new developments with this storm system. hurricane hunters have flew into this storm and they're finding it, what we don't want to see, stationary. so, right now it's 30 miles east-northeast of the great abaco island. if this doesn't move, we're going to have another prolonged event here of sustained winds of at least 40 to 50 miles per hour, and then rain accumulation up to about 4 inches. so, latest track here from the national hurricane center. this does become a hurricane, but it's going to be well offshore. the florida coast here, we're not seeing any threat for heavy rain here, but it's the storm surge, the heavy waves that are really going to make their way in. so, even by tuesday, the
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sustained winds up to 90 miles per hour. the longer humberto sits in an open body of water in temperatures in the upper 80s here, it's going to gain strength. unfortunately, just on right now the bull's eye is abaco island because that system currently is not moving. so, forecasting this just prolonged event for at least the next 24 hours, potentially isolated areas from freeport to marsh harbour up to 6 inches. so, alex, this is going to be ongoing. the hurricane hunters are going to fly back in to see if this storm system starts to strengthen any more here at 1:30. so we'll keep you updated. but it's just unfortunate that we saw the movement of this storm, and two weeks before, it's stationary. >> i can't even believe when you said that. i had been tracking this as well with you, and when you said that, i went, no! it just can't be. >> unreal. >> janessa, thank you for that.
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new details in reports of the air force crews staying at a trump resort in scotland. the journalist who broke the story talks with me about it and ann unexpected phone call she got from the resort's general manager. all she got from the resort's general manager. (vo) diarrhea? new pepto diarrhea to the rescue. its three times concentrated liquid formula coats and kills bacteria to relieve diarrhea. the leading competitor only treats symptoms. it does nothing to kill the bacteria. treat diarrhea at its source with new pepto diarrhea. but we're also a cancer fighting, hiv controlling,
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there's new pushback from the trump organization as the legal fight heats up over whether donald trump's properties are profiting from his presidency. >> are you guys benefiting financially from the president -- >> it's ridiculous. first of all, he's not involved at all with those things.
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they talk about, somebody bought a cheeseburger at the trump hotel. it's asinine. and you've seen that. you've seen from the emoluments suits have gone. they're just trying. the amount of incoming, you know, he's taken, but the family and the business, anything in a desperate attempt to stop him. >> well, it's little more than a cheeseburger, but just yesterday, a u.s. federal appeals court revived a lawsuit alleging the president is profiting from government officials patronizing his d.c. hotel. meanwhile, the air force says its crews have stayed at the president's scottish resort up to 40 times since 2015, and that is 6% of the 659 times air force crews stayed near the civilian airport. that is indeed crucial to the president's resort. joining me now, politico's natasha bertrand. natasha broke that story. she is also a msnbc contributor. this is interesting. let's get right into it. because as you know, the air force launched that review after your reporting, natasha, but the review has yet to reveal how
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many air force personnel have stayed at the president's resort. you have new reporting about at least, what, four trips? can you tell us what you've learned about those? >> yeah. so, we know for a fact that the air force has stayed at trump's property in turn berry at least four times in the last year. what we learned from the air force after its preliminary review is that they've stayed up to 40 times since 2015. that 2015 figure, though, is a little bit of a talking point, because turnberry was closed from september 2015 until mid-2016, so right there, you have what, about nine months where the air force really couldn't have stayed there. and then on top of that, the number of flights that are going into prestwick and the number of overnight stays that the air crews are lodging in hotels nearby has increased from about 40 in 2015 to 220 from 2018 to 2019. so clearly, along with an uptick in overnight stays near prestwick airport, which is the small airport outside of turnberry, you're going to see a
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rise in the amount of stays at trump's resort itself. so we're still waiting to getting the exact figures from the air force as to how many stops have been made since trump was actually inaugurated, but for right now, what we know is that it's a lot more than we initially thought, which was this was one to four times, maybe an isolated incident. >> inaugurated or even elected. you have a couple more months you could look for the details on that. you wrote on twitter that you received an angry call from the general manager of the president's scottish resort. what did that manager tell you? i understand you have some reporting that even contradicts some of what he was claiming in that call. >> right. so, he had actually found out that we were doing our jobs and we were reaching out to current and former staff at turnberry to try to figure out how common it actually was for the air force to be lodging its crews there, and he gave me a call and said, stop bothering our staff. how would the staff even know what our guests do for a living? how would they know whether or not these are u.s. military servicemen? but of course, what we were told from the crew members who have
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been lodging at trump turnberry for the last three or four years is that they show up in uniform 99% of the time. it is very uncommon for them to change out of their uniform before they actually go to the airport, unless they are in a war zone, for example, which scotland obviously is not. so, the idea that the staff and former staff wouldn't have any visibility into busloads of crew members that are showing up at turnberry, it's just completely nonsensical. but of course, the general manager is very concerned with i guess protecting the reputation of turnberry. which, if there's really no problem with the military staying there, he shouldn't be upset, but he was livid. >> yeah, okay. but again, the uniform sort of puts a hole in that argument. what about the president who has claimed on twitter that he, quote, knock to do with the civilian airport near his resort? first of all, natasha, is that true? because don't know that a contract was signed between that airport and the defense department during the last months of the obama administration? so that exists, right? but you write that the air force stops at that airport have now
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more than tripled since 2015? >> yeah. so, there was an agreement signed between the trump organization and this small airport, prestwick airport, in 2014, where the airport would send air crews, not necessarily u.s. air force air crews, but civilian air crews or whoever kind of stopped at the airport, to turnberry. and we have since learned that the airport has actually been doing a lot of the bookings for the air force now -- fast-forward to 2017, 2018, 2019, has been doing a lot of bookings, accommodations and travel for turnberry from the air force. so while we don't know whether or not there is an existing agreement in place between the trump organization and this airport, which is necessary for its own survival to kind of send business to turnberry and have military flights coming into the airport, whether or not that is actually an agreement to send the air force crews specifically to turnberry or whether they just send them there when the per diem rates kind of lowe it, but the fact is that this raises questions, and i think this is
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what the house oversight committee wants to get to the bottom of, of whether this symbiotic relationship wean between the military, the airport and trump's resort is helping dheep property afloat. >> here is another question for oversight, and that is, has the president directed any of this? >> yeah, that's a great question and we have not reported that the white house or that trump had any direct hand in perhaps urging the air force to use this property, but obviously not everything is done by this white house with a directive, right? i mean, there are a lot of winks and nods that go on. so, how high this actually went is something that the air force says that it is currently reviewing, and we've been told by air crews that air mobility command has frequently booked their accommodations at trump turnberry. so this definitely isn't something that the crews themselves are just deciding to do the majority of the time. >> okay. natasha bertrand, great reporting as always. see you again soon. why joe biden is getting criticism for the way he answered or actually didn't
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new criticisms aimed at former vp joe biden over one of his responses during thursday's democratic debate. he was asked what responsibility he thinks americans need to take to repair the country's legacy of slavery and here's part of what he said. >> look, there is institutional segregation in this country, and from the time i got involved, i started dealing with that. red-lining banks, making sure that we are in a position where -- look, we talk about education. i proposed that what we take is those very poor schools, the title one schools, triple the amount of money we spent. number two, make sure that we bring in to help the teachers deal with the problems that come from home. we bring social workers into homes and parents to help them deal with how to raise their children. it's not that they don't want to help. they don't know quite what to do. play the radio. make sure the television -- excuse me, make sure you have the record player on at night,
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the phone -- make sure the kids hear words. >> so, joining me now, policy strategist elena beverly, who worked for the obama administration, michelle bernard, president of the bernard center for women, public politics and policy and our msnbc political analyst. elena, first to you. what did you think of biden's response to the legacy of slavery? were you satisfied by it? >> jameel smith has a piece about this in "rolling stone" people should read. he called it a racial disaster, and i have to agree. you know, joe biden has the support of the black community. we form so much of his constituency and his base that he should be well steeped in issues of race and of systemic oppression. this was his opportunity to talk about the racial wealth divide, for example. i teach a class on the racial wealth divide at the university of chicago. he should have been talking about the severe racial wealth disparities facing the black community, faith-based policies
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to invest in african-americans neighborhoods and he should have been talking about quality early education and quality neighborhood schools. this was his chance to unveil his policy agenda for his core base, and instead, he moved on with some very strong deficit talk about the black community that i think, frankly, may affect his policy positions. >> i've got to say, those were great points the two have made there. what'd you think? >> when i heard his comments it made me wanting for marian williamson to be up on that stage to have a detailed discussion about reparations. the vice president did not answer that question, but i have to tell you, if you sit back and ask yourself, does this mean that african-american voters are going to suddenly leave en masse their support from joe biden, i don't think so. you know, his answer was unbelievably inarticulate. he failed to discuss head on the issue of reparations. but he talked about education, and the african-american community, just like all
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americans, believe that educational opportunity is the great equalizer. he didn't say it in a very articulate way, but he talked about education reform, he talked about increasing teacher pay and getting more support for teachers. and you know, in a nation where we live, for example, i'm sure you've seen it all over social media, alex, african-americans are absolutely up in arms that the actor felicity huffman got 14 days as a prison sentence for what she did when black mothers all across the united states are regularly locked up for quote/unquote stealing a public education because they use sometimes knowingly, sometimes unknowingly, inaccurate home addresses in order to get their kids into high-performing and safer schools. so, if you sit back and you say to yourself, as an african-american listening to former vice president joe biden's answer, who is going to protect me on voter rights, on a woman's right to choose, on bolabolishing this education sym
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that is based on zip code, and protecting my rights before the supreme court, one inarticulate answer is not going to send african-americans leaving because it's a choice between two evils, joe biden or whoever the democratic nominee will be, and donald trump. black people do not feel safe with donald trump as the president of the united states. >> huh. and i can tell you, that other issue you brought up with regard to the reaction on social media to the felicity huffman sentencing, that's a whole separate interview that we will be doing on our own here. rick, with you, what do you think happened to joe biden's answer there? it almost is as if he wasn't prepared for the question. do you think that's it? >> no. i think that joe biden, given his age, has lived through -- well, he lived through the civil rights movement. he's lived through cultural change in this country. >> sure. >> and i'll just go back to -- remember when judicial -- when it was tough on crime, that
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happened during the '90s under the clinton administration and he was chairman of the judiciary committee. but just to remember, joe biden was in the middle of his party. he wasn't on the outskirts of his party. he was in the middle of the democratic party. in fact, everybody wanted to be tough on crime. we look at that in retrospect as those were horrific, racist policies. i'll admit that, absolutely. and it's changed. so, he doesn't -- his record, of course, is going to be mixed on this now in retrospect. it's the same with the bussing issues. a lot of issues. and so, he's going to have a tough time in today's context, because we've made so much progress, defending his record, but he was in the middle of that. he was in the middle of where the country was and definitely where his party was. and i think the reason, not younger african-americans, but older african-americans support him is because older african-americans are not progressive. they're, in fact, like many conservatives, very skeptical of the promises of politicians and big government programs promising them things like, you know, we're going to give you
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free health care. and i think if you polled them or did focus groups -- in fact, we have -- they will tell you no one's going to give me free health care. they believe that that's just what politicians say. and they saw the progress over time, and joe biden's lived through that progress, and he was served under an african-american president, barack obama, and they're comfortable with him. he's a safe vote for them. and nobody else on the stage is saying, look -- you know, they're not speaking to the older african-american voters, which is why he has them. >> alayna, to rick's point there, how much does the close association with barack obama buy joe biden, ultimately? and i want to have you respond to michelle's point that she said she doesn't think a lot of african-american support will be lost, and she articulated very well the reasons for that. do you agree? >> i think that his stance next to barack obama is valuable, but that is not the reason why the black community is voting for him. they are voting for him in part because they trust him and trust
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that he is going to be on their side. but i think that as this plays out, as social media continues to pick this up, as our journalists continue to write about this, i think it can be detrimental and it can depress african-american turnout for joe biden. look, i think he needs to show evolution. you're right, rick, that he has a vast experience, but he has to show evolution on his policy stances, and that includes having a proactive african-american policy agenda. he is not the only candidate running, and there are other candidates that do have plans for the african-american community and for african-american empowerment, economic empowerment, educational achievement. he needs to step it up. >> yeah. >> can i just say one thing about that, alex? >> sure. >> that's absolutely correct. and so, here's the binary. the binary is, is there a better candidate for an african-american progressive achievement, success, equality in education and our judicial
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system? absolutely, there's a better candidate! but is there a better candidate to beat donald trump? and right now, there isn't. and i think that's the binary that people are looking the a. >> you make a good point there. i want to get to one other issue, starting with you, michelle. this uproar around the attack ad against congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. it was from a pro republican pac. and it shows her image overtaken by flames, followed by skulls and dead bodies and the narrator says "my skin is not white, i'm not outrageous or racist or a socialist," as then she warns against socialism and talks about cambodian genocide. look, aoc has called this a love letter to the white supremacist base of the gop. >> i agree absolutely. the ad was asinine and quite frankly in my opinion disgusting. we live in a time where even aoc herself has said that she constantly gets death threats. >> right. >> so, why create an ad that
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shows her burning up in flames? i in no way understand the connection to the khmer rouge of cambodia. but most importantly, what it looks like to me is someone in the gop has said if we get a woman who is not white but is a woman of color who will espouse our views on socialism, then we're somehow inoculated from claims that we are racist. and people can see through that. this ad is in no way going to sway anyone to believing that aoc or the democratic party is filled with socialists. now, should they stop using the term democratic socialist? probably, but no one believes -- i cannot see anyone believing that in any way whatsoever there is a connection to what happened with the khmer rouge in cambodia. >> okay. i'm going to let that be the last word, merely because i'm out of time, but i would love to hear from you guys again, so thank you so much. >> we all agree. >> i figured as much. warning signs for
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mike? >> reporter: that's right, alex, it's all over but the shouting. probably about 14 months' worth, as a matter of fact. the buses have pulled away full of republican congressmen and women who were here in baltimore for their three-day retreat. they heard from the president, they heard from the vice president. alex, if you were to draw a word cloud of all of the words that we heard in public, uttered in public by cameras from republicans on down to rank and file republicans, it would look something like this -- socialism, gun control, socialism, impeachment, medicare for all, socialism. those are the themes and the words that are emerging. and those were what we're likely to hear over the course of the next 14 months as we head towards the 2020 election. republicans painting a dystopian picture of what life would be like under republican rule. we did hear from the president. we heard from the vice president. and kevin mccarthy. he, of course, is the majority leader -- i'm sorry, the minority leader now in the house of representatives. and they were talking a lot about impeachment and trying to emphasize divisions between the rank and file republicans, including a lot of committee
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chairmen, like jerry nadler of the judiciary committee and the leadership like nancy pelosi, the rank and file moving increasingly towards favoring starting impeachment proceedings sooner rather than later and waiting for the elections to decide things. here's kevin mccarthy yesterday. >> the leadership doesn't even know what the committee's doing, let alone the conference itself. they can't even determine whether they're working on impeachment or not. the democrats are making it an issue, and i think it's the wrong issue for them to even talk about. >> reporter: so, republicans face an uphill battle, mccarthy telling paul kaine of "the washington post" he's not setting the bar at winning back control of the house, but rather just gaining seats. remember, democrats gained 40 seats and the majority in the 2018 elections. republicans facing a headwind, though. 17 republican resignations thus far heading into this cycle, alex. >> good point you make there. thanks so much. great backdrop for a saturday afternoon. kind of nice. all right. >> reporter: yeah, it's lovely in baltimore!
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comes across that he wants something done. and there are people pushing back hard on it, people within his own inner circle. >> the trump administration mass to make it an issue that them let 90% of americans set gun policy in this country. >> senate democrats there manchin and murphy reporting on a 40 minute phone call they and foot too ma pat toomey had with the president urging him to expand background checks. about 150 business leaders also took be the unusual step of writing a 4re9er urging the senate to pass red flag laws and laws to expand background checks. and now ceo of an employment app for college students. she is one of the ceos who signed that liz. li letter. liz, how did this letter come together, who was behind it and how you got 150 ceos on board to act on it.
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>> i was not one of the people who created it, i was just lucky enough to be asked to sign my name. so i heard about it through ron conway who is an incredible investor and person in silicon valley. and the every town folks were really tleading people behind creating the letter and the levi ceo of course was a big name behind it as well. >> and so i'm curious why it was important for you to add your name to the efforts and how is your business connected to gun violence given what you do? >> absolutely. there are two main reasons that i felt it was important to sign this letter. the first one is common sense. 22% of guns that are acquired last year were acquired with no back be ground cheground check think that is ridiculous. this is not a left or right issue. this is a life or death issue. and the second reason is actually a lot more personal. as you mentioned about my
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company. so we help millions of college students and recent graduates connect with great employers. on when i think about the millions out there in the us.s. u.s., 61% say they are worried about being shot in their classroom or library. and college students have enough things to worry about with tense of thousand of dollars of student debt or with what are they going to do with their lives. so i don't think that we need to have them also be worried about being shot done on their campus. i will mention that after the letter was published in the new york time, i got emails from some of our users, students throughout the country, one wrote to me saying that he was scared that someone who was mentally unstable would go to a pawn shop, buy a gun and comeinn his classroom and murder people. and it is ridiculous, i think we needed to speak up and say something. >> remarkable that you did. excellent that you did. it is very sobering in fact what
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you paint there. what about the republicans some of whom are pushing back, accusing ceos of meddling. senator ted cruz saying they are trying to become political players on divisive social issues. is that your goal here and what is the calculation among ceos about that? >> of course that is not my goal. i will say that i was reading what is the nra saying, what is mitch mcconnell saying, and i think that ultimately they keep pointing to we shouldn't be focused on universal background checks, we should focus on this other thing that will make a bigger impact. what i don't understand, why not take every step we can. this will not save everyone from senseless shootings, but it will make a very big impact and it is just one accept forward. the house has already passed it as i'm sure you're aware, it was legislation that was supported and led by both republicans and democrats and so this is just one step forward. and so if i can speak out on
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behalf of our students and users throughout the country, i think it is something like 93% of college students are in favor of universal background checks, why wouldn't i use my voice to do that. >> liz russell, i'm applauding you for a number of things. but i want to thank you very much as well for joining me on the show. appreciate it. >> thank you. the president defending his proposed ban on e flavored cigarettes. will it help battle the spread of vaping related illnesses. >> vaping as it pertains to innocent children and they are coming home and saying mom, i want to vape. want to vape gy pills? flonase sensimist. nothing stronger. nothing gentler. nothing lasts longer. flonase sensimist. 24 hour non-drowsy allergy relief
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breaking news at this 1:00 hour on the east coast, saudi arabia reportedly shutting down half of its oil production after a drone attack sparking this huge fire. also official confirmation that the son of osama bin laden is killed. what we know about the u.s. led operation behind it. fighting for attention. ivanka versus don jr. find out which of the trump children a new cover story claims is in the best position to succeed dad. good day, everyone. welcome to would i be eeekends witt. let's go to the race for 2020. 11 are out on the campaign trail across seven states. the first weekend since a good portion of them took the stage for the third democratic debate.
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on a four point scale, elizabeth warren did the best with a 3.4, followed by buttigieg and o'rourke. senator warren trying to keep her momentum going in massachusetts where she spoke just moments ago at the mass dems being a agenda convention. >> and jill bryden in biden is trail for her husband. and the former vice president preparing to head to alabama tomorrow where he will be speaking at the 16th street w baptist church and then from there to miami to kick off hispanic heritage month. we have live team coverage. ali vitali is live in washington, d.c. she has more on elizabeth warren. and also sotomayor in miami to talk about joe biden. so with a welcome to both of you. as we have elizabeth warren back on home turf today making her case to the delegates, all the
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voters there at the mass dems action agenda convention. what are we hearing from her? >> she is there and you have to know, it is a very friendly crowd. basically every other sentence is interrupted by applause. so that is probably the reception that you want when you you get off of a pretty successful debate night perform and and go straight to your hometown crowd and again make your pitch. there is a local and nagsz al thing going on here pe massachusetts state convention that i think we should talk about. on the local front, elizabeth warren is there as there is kind of this jostling for the upcoming senate race. ed markey of course is running for re-election. and there is talk about if representative joe kennedy is going to jump into that race. warren has endorsed markey as has recently cortocasio-corteal ocasio-cort ocasio-cortez. and warren sort of shut down a local reporter before she got on stage saying that she endorsed markey, she is friends with both, both have been helping in her campaign efforts in places like new hampshire. so an interesting local intrigue there. and on the national front, what
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elizabeth warren is saying either right now or she just finished saying on stage, it is important as democrats to beat trump. i know that you and i talk about that lot when i talk about what voters say is their most important thing for 2020. but as elizabeth warren is saying on stage, it is important to beat trump but also to speak to the symptoms of the country that she says elected him. and so a lot of that speaks to her larger strategy. she is not someone who goes after president donald trump all the time when we are on the campaign trail. she is very much running her race on the ideas and bold structural changes that she would say that she wants to put forward for the country. and this speech i think is just another reminder of the way in which she is running for president, which is, yeah, let's beat donald trump, but also let's bring our own ideas to the table. >> and joe he kennekennedy very, a par abo lore game being playe about whether he runs for i higher office. how is the campaign feeling, pretty good? >> they feel pretty good. when we were all talking about what the debate stage would look
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like on thursday night, there was a lot of question about is it going to be biden versus warren. the campaign did not necessarily go into that thinking that they wanted a lot of fireworks there. so i think when you look at how she came off the debate stage, it was sort of mission accomplished. as i reported, they wanted to do as much of the personal narrative, as. of the personal story telling mixed in with a bit of policy. and that is exactly what they got on the debate stage with elizabeth rren. and so she got to kind of shy away from the back and forth with biden and focus on policy. listen so what she said today. >> i loved having the opportunity to talk about the issues. as always, there are more issues that i wish we could have spent time talking about. i wanted to talk about canceling student loan debt and more time talking about universal child care, more time talking about the housing crisis in america. more time talking about the need to expand social security and to
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extend payments for people with disabilities. and by the way, i have a plan for that. >> and i think that it really says it all, her communications director came out in the moments after the debate stage ended and said that elizabeth warren on stage thursday night looked like a president. so that kind says it all. >> and i have to say, they really have to make the i have a plan for that t-shirts. >> they have it. >> okay, good. i need to get one because every time to makes you smile. joe biden's wife is on the campaign trail for him today. that is of course jill biden. but he is set for a busy day himself tomorrow. the democratic frontrunner will first travel to birmingham to mark the 56th anniversary of the churk bo church bombing that left four girls dead and then he will go to miami to speak to the hispanic community. and that is where marianna sotomayor is joining us on this saturday. welcome to you. let's talk about the stops, is it pretty much part of the campaign refocused on minorities and looking ahead to super
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tuesday states? >> yeah, so a lot of what we're seeing is many of the campaigns now that their candidates have been on the trail for a significant number of months, they are shifting their focus a little bit. and as one adviser told me, they are ratcheting things up that they laid the ground work for the last couple of months and that is targeting voters and sending the vice president into these communities to talklast c that is targeting voters and sending the vice president into these communities to talk directly to minority voters and others who feel unseen. of course tomorrow's event in alabama is a camemen mem areomm. the campaign is telling us that he will be delivering a speech that focuses significantly on race. the one big thing that he often says on the stump is that america is in a battle for the soul of this nation. that is his main argument of his campaign. and that is something that he will continue to stress tomorrow given the numerous divisions that have come up under president donald trump.
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and biden will continue to present position himselfhe unit. and in miami, he will try to telling latino voters i understand that you may feel left out of the conversation, that you feel prejudiced against in this era where president trump and his administration has been limiting a lot of immigrants and targeting hispanics around the world. and so his message will be one where america welcomes everyone, they welcome you, we value everything that you bring to this country. and please see america as a country where future generations can also come into. >> those messages from the president though certainly coming from the time that he descended that escalator and began his campaign announcement for presidency. all right. thank you so much. good to see you. we'll see you again from miami perhaps tomorrow. joining me now, political reporter for the "los angeles
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times" and also pamela levy from mother jones. welcome to you both. a pretty aggressive day on the campaign trail for the democrats today. we had a day and a half or so to absorb the debate. it anyone really gain ground or lose ground after thursday in. >> i don't know that the dynamic of the race has somehow majorly changed. but there were some really interesting moments in the debate. elizabeth warren i think people largely agree that she came through, she accomplished what she needed to do. joe biden people thought it was his strongest performance to date, but he also had gaffes. in answering a question about reparations, he started talking about record players and then he made statements that questioned african-american parents' ability to -- knowledge of how to raise children which that is getting a lot more attention. especially as he courts african-american voters who are a huge part of his support. >> something that we've discussed in the last hour for sure. pamela, i know you heard the president's message on thursday.
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did the democrats effectively attack him during the debate or should they even be worrying about that right now? >> yeah, that is a good question. i think that donald trump was pretty absent. you saw kamala harris direct her opening statement at him for sure. she raised him a number of times. which i think is smart. when you pivot to him, you are sort of looking like hey, i'm not part of this like nasty primary thing, i'm sort of running a general election campaign, look at me and how i can stand up to the president. but at the same time, we're still kind of early in this primary and it is just after labor day, candidates are still introducing themselves to the voters. and i think you have to -- before pivoting to trump on some level you have to introduce you to people and tell them what you are for, not just what you are against. so i think it makes sense that trump was sort of sidelined during this debate and i think increasingly as we get toward iowa you will see people say look how i can stand up to the
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president and imagine me on the debate stage against him and you will see him i think be brought much more to the fore. >> there was a moment that we all recall when the former housing secretary julian castro delivered a pretty sharp attack against joe biden suggesting that biden's memory was fail willing hing him. and here is cory booker. >> i think that we are at a tough point right now because there a lot of people who are concerned about joe biden's ability to carry the ball all the way across the end line without fumbling. and i think that castro has some really legitimate concerns about can he be someone in a long gluling campaiglul i grueling campaign to get the ball over the line. >> so are there legit concerns about the vice president or is this just a way to try to knock him off the top pedestal? >> i think castro said most explicitly what we have heard
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democrats say privately. the audience groaned when he said it. some people found it disrespectful. but the questioning of whether he has the ability -- he is in his late 70s. whether he has the physical and mental ability to go through a grueling campaign for anybody, that is something that democrats voters do talk about. and this was the most explicit time we've heard a rival say it. >> and beto o'rourke when he got all that applause declaring that he is taking people's ar-15s, ak-47s, did he deliver republicans though any favors on guns? >> you know, i think time will tell. i think maybe the biggest favor is that if you cut off that clip before he says ar-15, ak-47, say we're coming for them, so if you don't give the clip enough context, you know, i think that we'll probably see -- >> yeah, for sure. >> that is not great.
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but in general i think the american public is in favor of an assault weapons ban. we are talking about weapons as he said are meant to kill people quickly on a battle field. and i think that the conversation on guns is just almost whiplashed the country. it has really changed in the last several years in a dramatic way. and so i think that democrats actually have an upper hand when it comes to moderate and pretty reasonable steps like background checks and assault weapons bans. so i think that it is probably not a huge gift to republicans, but i would expect that they will see the clip used in various ways that are i think a little dishonest to say that they are coming for all your guns. >> i have to say, that was brutal the example that he gave of that el paso mother in that shooting watching her child die because they couldn't get help to her because so many others had been assaulted by these weapons. it was brutal all right, stay with me. i want to discuss the house judiciary chair defending his commitment's impeachment inquiry
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and accusing the department of justice of a coverup. the doj is trying to block his committee there seeings jund e underlying evidence gathered during the special counsel investigation. >> we have been very clear for the last several months in court filings, in public statements, and in proceedings in the committee that we are in fact conducting an investigation preparing to decide whether to recommend articles of impeachment to the house. this is it another instance of the trump administration trying to cover up and hide from congress and from the american people in this case from congress because the american people wouldn't see the grand jury information all kinds of information. >> and here is the doj argument, democrats should not have access to mueller's secret grand jury evidence in part because dems have not made it at all clear that this is an impeachment inquiry. meanwhile another legal fight is heating up, this one over whether or not the president's profits are prove f-- propertie
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profiting off his presidency. they allege that he is making money from his hotel in washington, d.c. but there was another conservative event at that hotel further blurring the lines between president trump's businesses and his president city. mike pence spoke at the event and tweeted about it. and also taking the stage, secretary of state mike pompeo who even took a shot at the media. >> i look around, this is such a beautiful hotel. the guy who owns it must be successful somewhere along the way. that was for the "washington post" in case they're in the back. >> clever. so mike pompeo joking about this, but the president did make a promise that he would never use his public power to boost his private business. is the white house not at all concerned about how this impacts the president's image going into the election? because as we were talking about campaigns and potential strategy
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and commercials in the last segment, you know, all they have to do is play this and make a whole advertisement out of it. >> they don't appear to be. this is just the latest in so many examples. whether it is the president saying the gchlg-7 should be het his resort in doral, finding out that the military is staying at one of his resorts in scotland when they are refueling in a way that costs taxpayers a lot more. so they don't seem concerned about it because you it keeps happening. >> so i think you are right on that. but this idea of the president potentially profiting off of his presidency, how is that going to sit with the public? i mean, we know house democrats, they are trying to incorporate all of this into broader investigations. but do you think this is a nugget that would resonate with most americans? >> i think that it falls under the bigger umbrella of corruption that i think will play a large role in the
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upcoming election. i think that democrats will try to make the case that this president isn't actually working for the american people, he is working for himself and his business and family. and so all of these strands will be part of that case, part of building that case. at the same time, the president has weathered these kinds of attacks before. even in 2016, he was sort of this bombastic business guy that sort of did run very close to ethical lines, did cross ethical lines. and people sort of liked that about him because he was out there for himself and then he was going to get out there for the american people as well. so i think that it is a big question, but i do think that the corruption issue and there is all these sorts of pieces of that that are coming together, and this is part of it. and i think if you add that to other things like tax cuts for example that are benefiting the wealthy and not working people, when you add all that in, then you start to build a larger picture of a president that is benefiting himself and wealthy and i think that that is where democrats will be pointing -- sharpening their message as we move forward.
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new information on tropical storm humberto making its way right toward the northwestern
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bahamas just two weeks after dorian struck those same islands as a category 5 hurricane. it hovered for days leaving tens of thousands homeless. janessa webb is hire with tere latest. >> just two weeks ago know we were talking about a category 5 storm that stalled over for over 50 hours, produced over 30 inches of rain. so this is a frightening situation for the 2,000 people that are still in shelter in the great abaco island. the little bit of good news that i have about this tropical storm system, you can see when we take a closer look, the eye of this system is still very disorganized. and we're seeing a lighter bands hit that's land here. but we don't need any more moisture here even though streams and rivers have receded in that area. potential flooding is still an issue. with the forecast predicting potentially up to 2 to 3 inches
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and isolated spots up to 6 inches. so we have gained momentum of the storm system. i've been following this for the last two days. compared to yesterday, we saw some movement out of the northwest to about 15 miles per hour. just in the last four hours here, this is huge, that has become stationery. so it is stalling out just above this island. and what really makes it unsays, if we see any shift in the next update from the national hurricane center, we could potentially have another path or similar path as dorian. so we need this to push to the north here. the lightest bands are really going to stay offshore here in the next 24 hours. but it is really going to gain the wind speed it needs. by sunday, we are forecasting a hurricane as it goes more out to sea, a cat 2. and so then we'll be in the clear. but the storm surge potential and the lower elevations of
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florida still going to be on our radar for the next 24 hours as that surge continues to make its way in. but people sitting in shelters, unfortunately it is almost an 50id cal path. >> yeah. as you and i were discussing off camera, we are in the height of hurricane season, so everybody buckle in the wings, the president's children compete to carry on their father's legacy. fascinating new details in a rot. ir father's legacy fascinating new details in a rot. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved... ...90% clearer skin at 4 months... ...after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections... ...and lower your ability to fight them.
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this breaking news, a fiery explosion after a drone attack that hit a saudi arabia oil refinery. "wall street journal" says it has forced saudi arabia to shut down about half of its oil output and that amounts to about 5% of the world's daily crude oil production. joining me now, michael mcfaul. mr. ambassador, great to have you here. how big of an escalation is this drone attack? talk about any possible ramifications here. >> we need to determine when did it, if it was the iranians of course it would be a major
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escalation. but i've just seen this breaking now and i really don't want to comment until we know exactly who is behind this attack. >> okay. that all makes very good sense. you're right, it has potentially horrific ramifications. >> very big. >> and what about the new reporting from nbc news on the ouster of john billion ton olto. there was a person close to bolton who says this abrupt departure came after the president suggested that he might lift u.s. sanctions on iran to try to encourage negotiations, bring them back to the xwoesh yayoesh negotiating n strongly disagreed. what is the significance if they parted ways over this issue? >> i saw that reporting and if true, it underscores just how different mr. bolton's world view is from president trump. i've said that from the very beginning by the way, i was always surprised that he brought this john bolton. and of all the issues that the national security adviser was focused on, his number one issue
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was pressure on iran. and i even think that he wanted to bring about regime change in iran through the use of military force. president trump has a different view. and time and time again he undermines the more comprehensive pressure track that john billion ton was supporting by saying the only issue here is about nuclear weapons. and if he was willing to give the iranians money to get an iran nuclear deal, that is back to square one, that is actually just exactly what they were criticizing the obama administration from doing in the first place. >> what about the problem who is trying to really discredit, down play, john bolton's so-called tough guy image. take a listen to this. >> so john is somebody that i actually got along with very well. he made some very big mistakes. frankly, he wanted to do things not necessarily tougher than me. john is known as a tough guy.
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he is so tough he got fuss to iraq. he wasn't getting along with people in the administration that i consider very important. >> michael, do you remember the time that the president on this network said that he was his own best adviser? trusted his own visit very best of anybody's. is he his own national security adviser? and what are the risks of this? the president down playing having any sort of dissent from a national security adviser. does it undermine the credibility of who comes next, number four? >> well, most certainly that is a tough job i would not want. but i think there are two important things here. he hinted that he wasn't getting along with some people in his government, right? and i think that he is talking about pompeo there and maybe he is also talking about his daughter and son-in-law. and so this is not just about policy. it is about person a alitys. but i do think it is very dangerous because one thing that i think is well-known now is john bolton really wrecked the interagency process. the national security adviser is
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supposed to bring the entire government together to formulate policy. and that system has been broken. and that means that you are not going to get good policy ideas coming to the president and at a time i want to remind our viewers, he is doing all kinds of things in foreign policy. right? he has a big deal under way with north korea. he has a new policy towards iran, the taliban he is negotiating with, he has the biggest trade war we've ever had with china, a new middle east peace process, detente with russia. this is a very ambitious foreign policy agenda, not a great time not to have a strong national security adviser in place. >> yeah. i want to tap in here to your russia expertise because this week it was reported that the u.s. removed from russia an informant described as one of the ceo's most valuable assets. the "new york times" reports that the infonchinfor informant
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putin regularly. so how big a loss is this for gathering information? >> first thing i want to say, i think it is horrific that we know about this. somebody in the u.s. government leaked classified intelligence. that does not advance the interests of the united states. and i wish people that had classified information as i did for several years would remember the oath of office that they took. this is not good for america. and it is not good for this particular gentleman. secondly, given the reporting obviously i don't know anything besides what has been reported in the press, it does sound like this person was close, he worked for somebody i know well, who is a close foreign policy adviser to president putin and has been for many, many years. and not having that kind of information is detrimental.
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we are better off having him in moscow than we are having him in virginia or wherever he ends up. >> so given that you know the person for whom the person we're talking about worked, do you think that you know who this person is? >> no, i don't think that i do. i thought about it, but i don't think that i've ever met him. but again, if the reporting is accurate, i want to keep echoing the reporting, he is as close as putin as you can get. you is in every single meeting with putin and prime ministers around the world. and so that means that he is preparing the paperwork for those big bilateral summits. so one step removed from president putin. >> michael mcfaul, thanks so much. and let's go to a new report with remarkable insight into the dynamics inside the trump family. in the atlantic new cover story, theyry while the president writes his chapter in history,
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the next generation waits in the wings jockeying for position, feuding over status, knowing only one of them can be the heir. joining me now is the man behind that story. i don't know, are you watching entourage's succession right now you? sounds like the play of the roy family. so let's get into it. with the president as we know who love cable news, when it comes to winning his approval, how much does the image of each of the trump children get shaped on cable and then shape the president's feelings towards them? >> it matters a lot. i spoke to somebody who is close to the president and the white house who said that on any given day the president's attitude toward his children, especially his three oldest children, is shaped largely by how they are playing on cable news. so that might be an interview they do on fox, it might be what kind of coverage they are generating. for a long time ivanka's kind of
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privileged status in the family was directly tied to her ability to generate positive coverage for her father. and in the last couple of years as her media coverage has sort of curdled, she has become a lot less valuable to trump and trump has grown less and less patient with her and jared kushner. >> and this is interesting because you get specific here in your article. you dive into the rivalry between ivanka and don jr. and you write while ivanka soaked up the spotlight, don was con signed to the margin ches tof the campaign. where she was careful, he was reckless. is this still the case? >> well, dynamics have started to change. while ivanka was certainly much more front and center in the 2016 campaign, you remember she actually introduced her father before he announced his presidential campaign, over the last couple of years, ivanka has spent most of her time in the
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white house sort of out of her depth in the policy making process and kind of out of her depth in the geopolitical process. meanwhile don jr. has gone out and built his own grass roots fan base. you see him campaigning across the country these days. and he has his own crowds that are riled up, kind of banging the maga drum. and trump i'm starting to see don jr. as a valuable political asset. >> and you write that ivanka had been groomed at this point, that is why she was part of the campaign kickoff. and but you write that trump be to tire of ivanka. he took to mocking their argument when they weren't around. they are new york liberals, he would say. so is ivanka still the chosen one or not? >> i think that trump if he were able to have complete control
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would still prefer for ivanka to be next in line because he likes how she swims in respectable elite circles. but i think that when the business -- the family business changed from real estate and television to politics, he had to give up some control over who comes next in line. and when it comes to political dynasties, voters are often the ones who have the last say on who succeeds the patriot yararc. >> and you write don may have lost the inside game, but he was building a grass roots base of his own. how serious is possibility that don jr. runs for political office? >> well, i report in the piece that he has considered running for office somewhere in the mountain west. he is an affair individud an av outdoors man and those things would play well in a state like montana for example where i report that privately commissioned poll showed him with a 75% approval rating among
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republicans there. so that is one possibility. others have talked about him as a future rnc chairman or at the very least somebody who could launch his own preliminary outfit and kind of travel across the country be stowing endorsements and playing like a king maker role. >> and do businesses of the president left in the hands of don jr. and eric as in office, but how plea okreoccupied of whl be left of his company? >> i report that trump vowed to disentangle himself from the family businesses. there has been a lot of reporting that that may not have been as clean as they tried to convey it at the beginning. what i report is that often when he goes to mar-a-lago, the president goes to mar-a-lago, and is out on the golf course, he runs into people in his professional and social orbit who give him updates on the business. and he kind of learns about it that way. and the impression that he got especially in the first year or
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so was that his sons were not doing as well with the business as he would have liked. and i actually talked to one former white house official who said that there was some concern that the president was so preoccupied with how the business was being run that he might actually start trying to run it himself from the oval office. so that gives you an idea of how interested he is. >> okay. and it is worth a read in the atlantic. thank you so much, great interview. and a strecontroversial statement leads to a warning from within his own party. why a top democrat says beto o'rourke's comments could haunt the party to years to come. i am royalty of racing, raise your steins to the king of speed. you get more than yourfree, you get everything you need for
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new reaction to the third democratic debate and senators sounding the a lamp aboalarm wa moment could be used against democrats. here is that moment and followed by the warning from chris coons. >> so many other people were shot by that ar-15 in odessa and midland there weren't enough ambulances to get to them in time. hell, yes, we'll take your ar-15, your ak 45, we won't all allow to be used against fellow americans. >> i think that clip will be played for years at second amendment rallies with organizations that try to scare people by saying that democrats are coming for your guns.
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>> joining me now, peter emerson, amy holmes, and alsren shaw. senator coons has endorsed joe biden in the primary. but your take on this warning, did beto o'rourke make any sort of a strategic mistake, give voice to made many republicans have been worried about? >> president john kennedy wrote a book profiles in courage. about politicians who put moral and ethical values above political expedience. o'rourke gave voice to the majority of americans who have said killing five, six, seven year olds with automatic weapons has to stop now and the absurdity of coons he' remarks is making note that he was a hunter and he owns guns and he shoots skeet. what an elitist sport shooting skeet with an ak-47. >> but how do you really feel.
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just kidding. rena, do republicans get the distinction between o'rourke's aim to take military style weapons off the street while upholding their rights to own other firearms? lines always get crossed. do they get it? >> no, absolutely not. and this area is completely blurred and republicans see the comments as indicative of what the larger field of dem candidates want to do. and that is puzzling for me. how will we make an advance pts when any conservative says they just want to take all of our guns, no respect for the second amendment from the left. and it is a vast coloring of the left in doing so. but conservatives who are concerned about the 40,000 gun violence deaths that happen each year as beto o'rourke pointed out, people like me, how do we make any head way. we know something needs to be done. we know all those crimes are not connected to white nationalism
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and white supremacy, but i don't think that it needs to be law enforcement's top priority to focus on white nationalism. talk about what we can get done on guns. >> amy, as we listen to beto o'rourke, look, he was drawing from what he saw. what he heard after those two recent mass shootings in his home state of texas. do you think he might have a better reading of american sentiment on this issue than gun rights issues or republicans in washington? >> well, beto o'rourke may not like guns or ar-15 in particular, but he certainly loved a rhetorical grenade and i threw it on that stage thursday. and moderate democrats and moderate republicans are saying not only is it not good politics, it is not good policy. and they felt that they were making head way. you saw of course that clip from the senator from delaware and by the way i don't think that hunting is an elite sport. i know a lot of people who hunt who would not regard themselves as elitists. he said he does a skeet shooter and hunter. >> i made a point of skeet shooting. >> let me finish.
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if we remember, back in 2000, there was the million mom march in washington, d.c. the biggest march ever. three quarters of a million people showed up. and after al gore lost to george w. bush in the 2000 election and democrats at the time including former president clinton said that march and the gun control issue had a lot to do with that loss for al gore. and democrats, they are skittish or skeetish if you would like to say about this issue because they have seen the political ramifications if they go too far to the left. >> peter, last word here. >> if we are talking about the lives of five, six, seven years old, then there is no time left so this crap about expediency and political survival has got to be stopped and o'rourke gave voice finally to the majority of americans who have said automatic weapons are for the battle field, they are not for the home and not for our schools. >> automatic weapons are very difficult to own in the united states. you are conflating semi
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automatic and automatic. >> i'm not. >> the country is very guided. >> the nra line, it is fine, i was a member at one time, that is all lies. >> guys, i'll wrap it up there. lots of passions on this issue which reflects the whole country frankly. thank you all very much. the president is defending his proposed ban on flavored ecigarettes, but how will it help battle the spread of vaping related illnesses. traveling to the darkest depths of the ocean. pushing beyond the known horizon. passing through... "hey mom," "can we get fro-yo?", >>"yeah, fro-yo." "yes." the all-new 2020 ford explorer st. with intelligent 4wd and terrain management system. it's the greatest exploration vehicle of all time. these days we're (horn honking) i hear you, sister. that's why i'm partnering with cigna to remind you to go in for your annual check-up.
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we are learning new details about the mysterious lung disease linked to the use of e-cigarettes or vaping that killed at least six people across country. the cdc narrowing its investigation to 380 confirmed cases spread across 30 states and the u.s. virgin islands. the president said he will ban the sale of flavored e-cigarettes. joining me now, dr. natalie azar. what do we know about this? >> we know the substances inhaled in e-cigarettes, certain of them, can cause irreversible lung damage, particularly in youth and in young adults. what we don't know yet is which specific device, product or
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substance, and, you know, per -- i had a conversation with the american lung association, or correspondents with them. they say while all of these things are on the table, whether it's additives, chemicals, contaminants, thc, cbd, it's too soon to speculate exactly what is causing, specifically causing the lung disease. >> well, there have been reports about tracy of metals found. >> yes. >> inside the lungs, or inside the vapor of this. >> yes. >> that alone. >> a number of chemicals, carcinogens, heavy metals, particularly in the flavored e-cigarettes, there are chemi l chemicals associated with lung damage. so it's not just nicotine that's vaberrize er vaporized. other substances are in there and because there was such absence of regulation over the years there hasn't been any
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xrict contr strict control what's in them. >> i'm a daughter of a surgeon and anything that suggests the flavored vaping products are wa worse off than those without flavor, the ones the teens are all into. >> precisely the question i posed to the american lung association why the flavored one specifically? their response was basically what i just said to you. that as a whole, that the, the substances in e-cigarettes as a whole we don't know which ones necessarily can cause this irreversible lung damage, but that the flavored ones specifically have some more specific chemicals that are giving the flavor. one of them is diacitile that can be associated with lung disease. it's only dangerous with the flavored ones is not safe to
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safe. the take-home in posing your question, the real concern is not so much their specific danger but their appeal to youth and that's where the conversation that i have been having a lot since i have a child in high school and a child in middle school, the concern there is about the exposure to youth of nicotine, which, of course, is an addictive substance. sensitizes the brain and primes it to become more of the, at risk for addiction and other substances in the future. >> dr. natalie azar, your kids are lucky to have you as a mom and we're luckingy as well. >> thank you. and the son of osama bin laden killed. more on the operation behind it in just a few minutes. few minu. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections... ...and lower your ability to fight them. before treatment your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis.
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it's the top of the hour pap wrap for me and this show and hand it off right now to kendis gibson my good friend. take it away. >> good to see you, alex. have a great saturday afternoon. big developing stories at this hour. a drone attack at a saudi arabia facility refines a majority of the kingdomdom's and could affect the world's supply of oil. and a strike on osama bin laden son in a u.s. counterterrorism operation. the latest. and impeachment on the minds of the house congress' members, talking about their next step of investigating the president. >> we are, in fact, conduct


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