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tonight's lead, full-court press. like an army being attacked from all sides, this white house is increasingly surrounded in this very news week. democrats fired what looks like the opening shot of a growing impeachment battle, as expected on thursday, the house judiciary committee formally voted to pursue an impeachment inquiry, but remaining dissent from under half of house democrats around the "i" word is giving the administration creative ways to protect the president. the attorney general william barr insisting friday that secret grand jury materials from the special counsel's investigation remain off limits to congress because democrats have not clarified that an actual impeachment investigation has taken place. house judiciary chair jerry nadler cleared that up last
night with my colleague, lawrence o'donnell. >> we are, in fact, conducting an investigation, preparing to decide whether to recommend articles of impeachment. >> but while more than half of house democrats are on board for impeachment, less than half of their constituents are. 59% of americans still don't support impeaching donald trump. that according to the latest monmouth poll. and the "i" word didn't come up once during thursday night's democratic presidential debate. i was there, and more than a little shocked. so with just under 15 months to go until the 2020 election, even i'm starting to wonder, are democrats in congress wasting their time? joining me now, holly turner, and republican strategist, and
former assistant administrator, and don callaway, ceo of pine street strategies. don, let me go to you first. as i said, i was at the debate. i was, frankly, shocked they never brought up impeachment one time. >> yeah. you know, it was an interesting discussion. at the end of the day i think it was buried. there were a lot of candidates and folks' job was to try to survive and advance. impeachment, yay or nay, makes you take a hard position. but "n" debates, your deal, you're trying to appeal to the broadest possible audience, to not step in it and advance to qualify for the next debate. i think the house leadership, mr. klie bush, ms. pelosi, in all of their wisdom are conservative. and they don't want to do this because they're focused on
protecting their majority. >> are they more krif or concerned about the democrats that are in districts that -- >> exactly. not conservative politically in terms of liberty versus conservative politics, but they're playing it safe. and the safe move is to not pursue impeachment to protect that majority. if you're nancy pelosi, that's a reasonable decision because that is her primary charge is to maintain the gavel. >> and the way she keeps the gavel. but holly, republicans must be heartened that the majority of americans according to the monmouth poll still don't want impeachment. >> yeah, of course. i mean, republicans are very happy about that. you know, if democrats are smart, they are going to follow the speaker's lead and they're going to hold off on this. what americans want is real solutions coming from the democrat nominees for president. they want to protect those seats where democrats are sitting in a seat that was won by trump in 2020. and the smart thing is for them to maybe hold off on the impeachment talk a little bit, let nadler do his thing, but don't put those democrats in
those tight seats in a position where they have to go on record with a vote. >> but don't we run the risk with mueller citing ten examples of obstruction and other things? now we have questions of the president enriching himself. don't we run the risk of lowering the bar of what is acceptable behavior and make impeachment almost something you can't reach? i mean, if you can't move forward on this president, then who can you move forward on? >> well, i mean, republicans and democrats read that mueller report very differently. i mean, both sides were celebrating when the report came out. republicans see that report and they say there is nothing in here. the president did nothing wrong. >> mueller clearly said he did not exonerate the president. you can't read that but one way? >> again, you can't exonerate something that didn't happen. >> he could. he exonerated him in terms of saying whether or not he colluded with the russians. so if you tell me on the same
report he did not do this but you can't say he did not do that, that's an exoneration. >> it's a parsing of words. so mueller, i think, he took the easy way out on that one. look, if there was something there, mueller would have laid it out for us. he would have set everything up. democrats wouldn't even be having this debate right now. it would be very easy and clear. but it's not clear. that's why there's a big democratic party right now. >> didn't mueller say he couldn't indict a sitting president when he went before congress and he left it to congress saying that i'm going to cite -- if there was nothing accounted, he didn't have to list the areas that obstruction was clearly something that could be cited. >> mueller said very clearly that i do not believe that i have the authority to indict a sitting president. there's a theory of thought out there that says the day after the president leaves office january 22nd, 2021, that he will possibly be arrested and
indicted. let's be clear. we're not talking about jerry nadler and the house starting impeachment proceedings. we're talking about them starting an impeachment inquiry and impeachment investigation. and regardless of the political majority, there is value in that for house democrats because it methodically gives them the opportunity to draw out facts, lay them on the table, and let the american people shape their opinion about impeachment or not. these are the facts given under oath about this president's behavior and what does that mean for the election, that's right. >> is it not difficult, holly, for the republicans, if the democrats come up with a candidate that can really drive the message home, to defend that, that you have a president that, according to this report, dealt with these things that are clearly cited as possibly obstruction in terms of criminality? clearly obstruction, period, that he has people flying out of their route to stay at his hotels, on and on and on.
isn't that hard for conservatives to defend that kind of behavior? >> it's actually not. for years now, three years, we've heard from the mainstream media, from democrats on the hill about all the horrible things that president trump has done. and then when it comes out what really happened, there's no the"there" there. >> according to what? >> according to every hearing that we've ever had. even -- >> we're just starting the judiciary committees here. >> even during mueller's hearing, he actually said at no point during my investigation was i impeded or obstruction of my investigation in any way. he's gone on the record to say that. if he wasn't impeded in any way, how are democrats going to prove he was impeded. >> i'm not saying they were impeded, i'm saying they have what he documented as obstruction happened. there was documented. we have in the sdny an
unindicted coconspirator, michael cohen, who's in jail. what do you mean nothing happened? >> that was not relate to -- the president didn't do anything, though. that was michael cohen. >> so the president is the unindicted coconspirator, that's not doing anything? >> the president is individual number one. >> but individual number one didn't do anything? >> here's what i will say. >> individual number one is probably the president who couldn't be indicted? >> it's great. republicans want there to be an impeachment inquiry. we want this to be the strategy. >> why don't the republicans in congress vote for it? >> no, we want the democrats -- we want this to be the sole strategy for 2020. if this is all the democrats can bring to the american people in 2020, there's no solution for health care reform, there are schools that are failing, employment -- >> there's no what? >> the democrats are not bringing real solutions. >> the democrats brought up affordable care.
what happened to the promised health plan that was supposed to be better than the affordable care act? >> that's a fair point. >> betsy devos was over that. democrats or not. almost three years in, that's a weak argument right now? >> what happened the eight years prior to that. that's all i'm saying. >> i can show you. >> bring on the impeachment talk because when the americans go to the polling locations on election day, they're going to choose between a party whose one solution is to kbeemt the president and a party who has delivered the lowest unemployment -- >> didn't the american voters go to the polls two years ago and wipe the republican party out of congress? >> ten months ago, yeah. it wasn't that long ago. >> you might not want to use that argument, holly, because in the midterms you got a real lashing. >> last time we had an impeachment inquiry, it was against richard nixon who would have been impeached but he resigned before impeachment.
but richard nixon's poll numbers plummeted as a result of the democrats being able to draw out these facts, lay them on the table, and walter cronkite reported on them every night before the american people. president trump will not be able to defend himself against these facts every single night. >> bring it. >> he's going to say, if you stop lying about me, i'll start telling the truth about you. and the democrats have an opportunity to lay out truth here. so there's value in the impeachment inquiry. >> i noticed president trump is not as confident as you because he says stop the impeachment -- he's not tweeting bring it. >> no, he's not. but while he's in the -- >> he watches this show. i challenge him to take holly's position. tweet right now, mr. president, bring it on. >> he is doing just fine. listen, while the president is in these twitter battles over issues that don't really matter -- >> you can't tweet your way out of it. >> we just confirmed the 150th judge, the senate just did. >> which is a disaster. >> this is what's happening.
so i cannot even believe that this far into his presidency that the media and the democrats continue to engage in these issues that don't really matter and let us accomplish all the things we're accomplishing. >> it doesn't matter if this president obstructed justice, it doesn't matter if there was some kind of involvement with russians in terms of hacking and influencing this election, it doesn't matter that the vice president flew 180 miles out of the way that taxpayers paid for in ireland? and he's going to bring the g-7 to his golf course? none of that matters? >> it matters if -- >> if barack obama had dreamed any one of those things, you would be calling for impeachment. >> i believe barack obama is the one that put in place the refueling stop, which caused the vice president -- >> did he own the stop? >> no. i'm just saying. >> i'll leave it there while you think of an answer. >> it's a holdover. >> we'll have more with holly and don later in this show.
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>> i said a grandmother who has no money. you're automatically enrolled. >> it automatically enrolled people regardless of whether they choose to opt in or not. if you lose your job, for instance, his health care plan would not automatically enroll you. you would have to opt in. my health care would. that's a big difference. i'm fulfilling the legacy of barack obama. >> that will be a surprise to him. >> i was there thursday in houston for the third democratic debate where the contenders came armed with the tag lines primarily focused on the front-runner, former vice president joe biden. they called him out for several obama-era policies, but he held tight saying he, quote, stands with barack obama all eight years, good, bad, and indifferent. joining me now is someone who knows a bit about president obama's legacy, former senior adviser to the obama
administration, valerie jarrett. she's also author of the book, "finding my voice: my journey to the west wing and the path forward." thank you for being with us tonight. >> thank you, reverend sharpton, congratulations on the award you'll receive this evening and welcome back to washington. >> thank you very much. let me ask you. i know you stayed out of the primaries in terms of an endorsement, but i was sitting there outraged as somebody who had access to the administration, worked with you on the policies. when i see democrats attacking president obama who i have openly said i think has been a great president, and luckily this time they all took turns, repenting of their political sins saying nice things about the president. but what is this strategy politically that you can see of attacking president obama, who did get the health care bill through, and did it with a lot
of work that he had to do on all sides of the political spectrum, who did do things like -- that other presidents could not get done in terms of he took the economy back and others. why would democrats even think about attacking the record of somebody, his whole global initiatives that really brought about a pact with iran that this president is messing up, clearly, opened the doors to cuba. it's on and on and on. why would democrats be messing with that? >> every possible metric from cutting the unemployment rate in half to providing health care for millions of americans who didn't have it before, you mentioned our deal with cuba, keeping iran from developing nuclear weapons, finding osama bin laden, bringing him to justice, you name it. climate accord with 200 other countries, his legacy, i think, was one that moved our country
forward. we have an embarrassment of riches on the field, terrific candidates. i think they are at their strongest when they talk about how they're going to build on his legacy and move our country forward. i was heartened to see many issues from health care to criminal justice reform, the economy, trade, climate, all those issues were talked about. i think we also need to hear conversations about issues that are important to women and working families. you and i talked about the fact there that there still isn't equal pay. women make 20 cents on the dollar, paid leave, twooer only dwopt developed country that doesn't have a paid leave policy. voting rights, encouraging people to vote. we talked about this new organization mrs. obama is leading when we all vote trying to change our culture around voting. so there are lots of important issues we need to hear from our candidates. i think they are the strongest when we are not talking about each other, but they're talking about what they're going to do
and why we should trust them to be able to get the ultimate prize, winning the general election. let's go into the general election with the strongest possible nominee so we can win back the white house. >> and when we talk about criminal justice reform, this president obama commuted more sentences than the last 11 presidents combined. >> absolutely. and tried mightily with a bipartisan group of senators to push forward criminal justice reform in the house and senate. and the only reason it didn't happen is leader mcconnell squashed it. but we had huge bipartisan support for criminal justice reform. >> as you said, there's an incredibly talented group of people running. and i think they should play on their strengths with a vision because i remember when president obama ran. he capitulate vision, didn't get into all of this personal ack
mo rim monet about an. >> we need a candidate who's going to bring our country back together. we've seen such polarization in three years. and i think we need to find somebody who is a president for the entire country who looks for what we have in common and not our differences and has kind of the moral authority to bring us back and who will be that beacon of hope to the world. i travel a lot internationally. i know you do too. people are really scratching their head right now and saying what's happening to that leadership in the united states? we need to restore that confidence here at home and around the world. and i think there are many in the field who can do that, any one of them would be better than the curtain occupant of the white house. >> that's a low bar, but let me ask you this. as you have two people that were in the obama administration who did a good job, vice president biden and julian castro, to see them debating like that is not representing the things they cuba talking about that they did
as people that were part of that administration. >> i think both of them have a lot to out the in terms of what they accomplished. i know certainly president obama has often said that he -- one of the best decisions he ever made was picking vice president biden, not for one term, but for two terms. we were really very pleased with the work that castro did as the hud secretary. again, there is so much they have to talk about that's positive. they should inspire confidence. not only are the candidates stronger, but it's when our party is stronger. so i appeal to them all to not focus on each other, certainly build upon the legacy of president obama, but convince us why we should believe in you. why should we have confidence that we're going to put our future in your hands and you'll be able to skput against your promises as well. >> one of the things i really wanted to talk to you about is one of the strong suits of the obama years was protecting the vote. his justice department under eric holder and then loretta
lynch, going into those states that were doing things, suing where they saw things that would suppress the vote. because we can't ignore the fact that we have documented now russians trying to interfere with elections and veto suppression. >> and no voter fraud. we talked about this too. every analysis shows the voter fraud in our country is minimal. why are we spending all this time and effort trying to protect against voter fraud when what we need to worry about is strengthening our technology and making sure we are armed so we can come back. russia, which our intelligence community has told us not only happened in the next election but they're trying to do it right this minute. we should be working hard to do that and working with the secretaries of state around downtown combat those efforts. but we should also be fighting back against states such as georgia when they passed legislation that was overturned that was intended to suppress the vote. we know that's happening around
the country. now eric holder is leading the effort on redistricting. it's left to those on the outside to fight that battle. >> and we can see from the midterm elections and even the election in north carolina's 9th district this week where there was a much more narrow victory than has been in that district in decades, that people are ready for real leadership in these times. >> absolutely. we saw in the midterm elections record number of women who are now in congress, uptick in the number of people who turned out to vote. i think one of the profound disappointments for me in the last presidential election other than the outcome was that 43% of eligible voters didn't vote. and so what we have to do is really appeal to folks, particularly young people who have the most at risk, the most to lose, to get involved in their democracy, participate. the minimum responsibility should be voting. for those who do vote, we should be making it easier for them to do it, not harder.
>> valerie jarrett, former senior adviser to president obama and author. thank you for coming on tonight. nearly 30,000 people of color gathered in d.c. for the legislative conference hosted by the congressional black caucus. i'll talk to one of the group's esteemed members, congresswoman val demings about the numerals challenges in congress affecting our community. the president denied temporary protected status to some 1,500 bahamians after their homes were decimated by hurricane dorian. why? it couldn't possibly be the color of their skin, right? that's my weekly memo to president trump.
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very bad drug dealers. >> for this week's memo to president trump, i guess your golf resorts are fully staffed, mr. president, because while we know from reports that you've had no problem in the past with immigrants, even undocumented ones as long as they're working for you, this week your acting head of customs and border protection announced that temporary protective status would not be offered to bahamian refugees displaced by hurricane dorian. now, a quick primer for the folks at home. for nearly three decades, temporary protected status has been given to foreign nationals up to 18 months to stay and work while their home countries deal with humanitarian crisis. if those crisis persist, the state can be extended. at present, more than 300,000 people from countries benefit
from this protection. but it appears that because they're mostly from black and brown countries, mr. president, your administration has been actively trying to roll the program back. and in the case of the bahamas, as we just heard from you, you're worried that taking in refugees from a country that happens to be predominantly black would open us up to bad people who will exploit asylum to expand their drug franchise because, you know, that's what people do when they're country floods. it's so much of a pattern that a judge last year said there were, quote, serious questions about whether your rolebacks of tps were, quote, based on animus against nonwhite noneuropean immigrants in violation of equal protection guaranteed by the constitution. i have to agree with that,
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the congressional black caucus foundation. this year i'm humbled to receive the harold washington award for the work i'm doing with my organization, national action network. this event takes place as congressional leaders are facing mounting pressures to address issues like criminal justice reform, gun control, and the rising racial tensions sparked by president trump. joining me now is a member of the congressional black caucus, democratic congresswoman value demings of florida. she's a former police chief and is currently a member of the judiciary and intelligence committees. congresswoman, thank you for being with us tonight. >>% reverend sharpton, it's good to be with you. and congratulations on your award. excited to be a part of it. so well-deserved. >> thank you. and you are -- turnover last several days, you and your colleagues had some of the most extensive workshops and sessions
around these issues and no one can talk about the criminal justice issue better than you because you were a police chief and then went on to be a congresswoman. what is on the congressional black caucus agenda as congress is now back in session. >> as you so very eloquently indicated, we're looking at every issue. you know, whatever the issue out there is, whether it's criminal justice reform, economic development, health care, it will impact communities of color like no other community. and so this legislative session has just given us another opportunity to bring in experts from each industry to look at what is going on in the african-american community and make sure that no community is really not left behind. so it's been a great session so far. it always is, but we want to walk away with real solutions that we can hold people accountable for. >> now, there are 55 members now
at the congressional black caucus. eve never had that many. and you can't move things in a congress with that block of congresspeople if they stand together. so when we talk about real criminal justice reform like thursday, you remember the judiciary committee. >> that's right. >> there's a hearing on police behavior, i'm one of those that have been called to testify. these are real things that we can try to get some real legislation and real things moving in the house. >> absolutely correct, reverend sharpton. you know, i spent 27 years in law enforcement, had the opportunity to rise up to become the chief of police. it is a profession that i loved. but there have been some issues in that profession, and we have a direct obligation to make sure that we continue to have the brightest and the best, to hire the brightest and the best, that we make sure they receive the best training so that they can make the best decisions that that training includes sensitivity training, human
relations training, cultural training so they can do a good job. we still have some work to do. >> now, we are also looking at the fact that you've got to deal with climate change, which also has a disparate impact on communities. even in a good economy, double unemployed, blacks to whites. >> absolutely right. when we talk about economic development, we talk about job development, wages, those issues negatively impact black communities more so than any other community. so it's all about leveling the playing field. look how many cities we've unfortunately heard about this year, last year, with problems with the water quality. so we need to make sure that, as i said earlier, black communities and no communities are left behind.
>> when we go forward with the caucus after this weekend, there will be a legislative agenda. a lot of times because there's not as widespread of coverage as it should be, people don't know that the congressional black caucus really does move initiatives and fight to get things done. >> every session, we do. when we talk about education, education is really still the key for making sure that our communities are successful. not just making sure that our children are able to go to college, and if they have the grades and the support, any college that they want to go to, but also making sure that they have opportunities for technical training. maybe every child is not going to college. but we had great workshops this week on education and the workforce, making sure our children can receive technical training that can begin in high school, so when they graduate, they can hit the ground running, not going to another
institution, but going directly to work. those are the kind of things we care about. gun violence, we know, i personally know how gun violence have impacted this nation, but particularly communities of color. you know, the fights we've had in judiciary. we were able to move some legislation out of committee this week, but we are not giving up on that fight. >> now, part of the problem is that we have not been able to get mitch mcconnell to deal with legislation that's on his desk that he could put in front of the senate to move on, things like background checks and moving toward other things about assault weapons, military-style weapons. >> as you well know, at least 87% of americans, gun owners and those who don't own guns, are in favor of background checks. it received bipartisan support. and for the senate majority leader to identify himself as the grim reaper is a disgrace to
this country. we're not giving up on background checks either. we are working with advocatcy groups to get this done. >> let me end going back to where we started. you were a police chief. we're not talking about we're anti-police, you were there. we're talking about anti-misbehavior. >> we identify ourselves, i believe it to be true, but, you know, prove it, as the greatest, most powerful country in the world with the greatest of opportunities. we have police officers who are out there patrolling our streets right now keeping us safe. but in any profession, when you have people that should have never been hired, are not doing the job correctly, we have to deal with that. as a former police chief who hired and fired people, i'm committed to getting that done.
>> all right, congresswoman demings, see you later tonight. >> thank you. >> see you thursday at the judiciary hearing. >> thank you so much, congratulations again. >> thank you. coming up, president trump pledges unwavering support of higher learning for hundreds of thousands of black students, all the while his support among african-americans is in the toilet. that's next. a quick note we are, learned this week of the passing of way knee at a abernathy, a civil rights icon who helped organize the montgomery bus boycott and took part in other pivotal protests in the civil rights era along with her husband and a leader of the movement. ms. abernathy campaigned for voting rights for african-americans and pushed to integrate public school and the '50s and '60s. she attended selma to montgomery marianne in 1965 with her husband.
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our commitment to protecting, promoting and supporting hbcus like never before. and i think you've seen that, you've seen this administration's commitment, bigger and better and stronger than any previous administration by far. so it's very important. my administration is determined to fight for you and the noble institutions you represent each and every day. >> that was president trump speaking to leaders of the nati nation's historically black colleges and universities. his pledge of support comes at a time when trump's support is unsurprisingly low with black women. a new cnn poll shows that only 3% approve the job trump's doing in office. he's doing a little better with black men with his support there at 15%. my panel is back with me. holly turner and don callaway,
republican and democratic strategist respectively. don, 3% black women, 15% black men, that is low >> it's historically and extraordinarily low. and. >> is it that they don't know all the -- i mean, you told us what do we have to lose? in the way of all the great things he tried to tell the black colleges that we -- i notice that he didn't get applause on that. >> he didn't and i want to give props to the presidents and administrators for not feeling compelled to do the dummy applause. he paused and waited for it. no, you don't get that. you can say you support black institutions, the problem is we see what you do and you cannot say you support black folks, black colleges and demonize black people every week. tweet again as he did at our colleague joy ann reid this
morning. >> he's demonizing all of us. >> you can't treat us like this and say you support our institutions. weir not falling for that anymore. historically one thing that republicans even the most conservative of republicans support is hbc hughes and black banks because they give them a pathway to say look, we're not racist and it encourages the segregation nature. >> he has yet to come really concrete ways of helping black colleges and he certainly hasn't helped black banks but let me ask you a question and this is just me knowing donald trump. why was this so out of the media? i mean, the president speaking to black colleges on a week that the democrats were debating at a historic black college, it was almost a secret. the white house certainly didn't push it out there heavy. i think the first time most viewers ever saw that what i played as i just played it, it was almost like i want your support but i don't want to be seen with you because they did not -- they did not tout that he was going to do this.
there was no tweet from the president about i just left the hbcus and this is -- none of that. why -- why -- is it like you know, help me, but don't be seen with me? is he playing the racest part of his base? >> absolutely not. >> well, then what happened? why was this such a secret. >> he can't win. he says one thing and he says it too emphatically. you know -- >> why didn't he tweet. >> he doesn't tweet about it. he's just embarrassed. >> why didn't he tweet about it? he tweeted about everything else. >> you usually hate it when he tweets. >> that's your defense? that's your defense? >> look, this president has done tangible things for these hbcus and he talked about it in his speech. >> but what though? >> no, let me talk. so he -- first of all he is opening up grant opportunities and loan opportunities for students that obama refused to do. so now students can go to school all summer long -- >> he's opening them when?
>> immediately. he's signed an executive order. >> he met with them over a year ago i think and he's made commitments. he's been in office, you might want to fact check for over two and a half years. when is he going to get to this? >> it's done. >> how? what did he do? what has he done for the historic black colleges? where is the money for the black colleges? >> it's there. he signed an executive order aloulg funds to be distributed during summer months. >> and how much money was distributed? >> it hasn't been distributed yet because it's not summer yet. >> it's not summer yet. i won't be summer again till next year. >> again, eight years obama didn't do this and the president's doing -- >> i know there was a hurricane in alabama but summer won't come again till next year. >> he also forgave the debt of the historical black colleges in new orleans. they've not been able to recover since katrina. that's another thing he did. so you say there are no tangible things but specifically those are tangible things. >> the tangible things is next summer 2020, he's going to -- next summer, that's several months away.
and he forgave the debt of one college in new orleans. >> no, there were several colleges. that's more than any preceding president has done for any black college. >> you cannot say you support black colleges and you continue to degrade and destroy black people with your economic policies and so on and so forth. the two don't go together. >> but don, so first of all the president is an equal opportunity offender. he does not care and i love that about him. he will -- >> finally agree. we finally agree that he does offend black people and everybody else. >> anyone. >> i do believe it. >> we agree. he's an equal opportunity offender. >> he calls out -- >> up next, my final thoughts. holly, let's stay right there. we finally came together. he's an equal opportune the fender. my final thoughts next. fender my final thoughts next need for fender. my final thoughts next. the fender. my final thoughts next. the fender. my final thoughts next. ythe fender. my final thoughts next. the fender.
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>> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. the 2020 democrats spent much of last night and today jockeying for advantage in the post debate spin wars. some just trying to distinguish themselves from the rest of the pack after all ten front runners finally shared one debate stage for first time in this election cycle. but other candidates spent the day in damage control mode. the showdown driving today's news, julian castro's suggestion that joe biden has time to remembering his line of attack. our colleague chris matthews pressed castro on the subject last night. >> most people thought there was another aspect that you were suggesting that a man of 76 years had lost his ability to remember what he just said. >> not at all. >> you rubbed it in three or four times. you kept saying you don't remember? you don't remember what you just said? >> we had a disagreement whether