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all right. that is all the time i have. i'm phillip mena. time to turn it over to "up" with david gura. david, good morning. ♪ >> welcome to "up". i'm david gura. biden to carry a major speech on race. he faces calls to step aside after comments during the last debate that could be described as damaging to his campaign. two of them will join us this morning.
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they are hitting back at the gop as the party cancels primaries in key states to protect president trump. the president faces another foreign policy crisis without a national security adviser. saudi arabia's capacity to produce oil has been cut in half after attacks on two major refineries, and the u.s. is blaming iran. up with me is the news editor for "the daily beast", msnbc contributor. and host of the takeaway from wnyc and hayes brown, senior reporter at buzzfeed news. i will start with those attacks on oil facilities in sawed good arabia. yemen's houthi rebels claimed responsibility for the a, ta. the facilities are crucial to saudi arabia. the kingdom's output cut in half. the damage expected to trigger a sharp rise in oil prices. secretary of state mike pompeo does not believe the houthi rebels are responsible. he took to twitter to blame iran. tehran is behind 100 attacks on
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saudi arabia while rouhani and zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy. there is no evidence, he kbgt z concludes, the attacks came from yemen. iran denied involvement, calling the secretary of state's actions executive deceit. get us up to speed here. i mentioned the back and forth between the u.s. and iran. what do we know about these attacks, what took place and what the ramifications of them could be much >> reporter: hi, david, good morning. as you say, iran has a history of supporting these houthi rebels. the secretary of state says the blames lies squarely with iran. and zarif is hitting back directly at secretary pompeo. he tweeted, having failed at max pressure, secretary pompeo is turning to max deceit. he goes on to say the u.s. is stuck in yemen because the illusion that weapons superiority will lead to military victory. according to the houthi claims,
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it was 10 drones, relatively inexpensive weapons, that sent two saudi facilities up in flames. the strikes cut the kingdom's oil output roughly in half. we are talking about a loss of 5 million barrels a day. that is significant. it is 5% of the world's daily supply. the big question now, what effect is this going to have on oil prices. the answer is going to depend on some degree how quickly this facility can return to normal. i spoke with one analyst who thought gas prices could go up as much as 25 cents a gallon. the u.s. has oil reserves for scenarios like this. the department of energy has indicated it would be willing to tap into them if necessary. david? >> thank you very much for that update. let me start with you. you have written about this, how this played out yesterday and those images that we just saw are dramatic with the plumes of smoke and the fighters as well. yet it was something largely not addressed in realtime by the administration yesterday. >> not in realtime. apart from pompeo, not by president trump.
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i mean, it's interesting. this is his great ally. the first trip he took abroad was so saudi arabia. he has been incident kwrat with mow ham led bin salomman. he hasn't said anything about this. which speaks to the confusion in the white house. you know, the blazes were towering into the skwaoeu in saudi arabia. and the white house said, by the way, we killed hamza bin laden. didn't say when. months ago. didn't say why now. it was this lame kind of statement to say, look, we're doing something. i don't think trump has the slightest clue what he is doing or going to do right now. this is a huge escalation. i also don't have any doubts that iran was behind this. >> let me turn to you and pick up on what chris was just saying there. the degree to which this administration is equipped to
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deal with a crisis like this. that statement coming from mike pompeo, not from the white house. here there is an acting national security adviser. >> we are coming on the heels of john bolton's leaving the white house, if you will, whether he was fired or decided to leave. so that's the third national security adviser we have seen. this is indicative of in stability at the white house at many levels. particularly at the international level. are we prepared to deal with this? do we have the information we need to be able to move forward? i'll be honest, the last thing the president needs is another economic crisis on his hands if oil prices and gas prices go up. we are on the precipice of a recession. if that happens as we head into 2020 and oil and gas prices go up at home, i think the president is in for a bigger problem than he might have imagined. >> how did you read the tweets from mike pompeo yesterday? there was a call for the international community to come out and publicly condemn iran for doing this. that didn't happen. you had the uk weighing in eventually here. it seems to have fallen on deaf
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ears. i remark with the quickness in which he did that. there was a claim by this rebel group and yet he did this. >> and yet he did this. it is a bit of crying wolf from the administration. bolton is gone, one of the largest voices in the administration. iran is a bad actor. iran needs to be dealt with. let's not pretend like mike pompeo hasn't been on the same drum beat with him. for him to issue the statement makes total sense to me. for everyone else in the world watching, they see this -- the u.s. trying to blame iran for what the rebels have claimed. in their mind they are saying if you can make that jump, if the rebels say it is iran's fault, how many armies and armed groups around the world can we not just say it is the u.s.? i know this is what about-ism. it has a destabilizing effect. it is important to note as we
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head towards 2020 and so many democratic candidates talk about wanting to withdraw from the middle east, roll back commitments there, much like for the -- over the course of the last century, it's all been about oil. this attack is a real reminder of that. whoever is in the white house in 2020 wants to pull back from the mideast, wants to pull back from a foreign involvement there, that as long as we care about what the price of oil is doing at any given moment, saudi arabia, yemen, iran, will all be a core part of what the u.s. is dealing with. >>. chris, you followed politics domestically and srpbll internationally. you quote your father on where this administration is. up a creek without a paddle. fill it in there. help us understand what this means. we're here on the week before the u.n. general assembly meeting. the white house eager to put with the leadership of iran.
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>> i don't know that that is going to happen. >> we'll get to you on that. help us understand the ramifications of this from a media policy perspective. >> look, what i was learning about yesterday was the whole sea of troubles that the administration is facing right now. a lot of which are created by this administration. i mean, it's a chaotic world made much more chaotic by this administration. we not only have this iran conundr conundrum, we have the taliban issue where there was a cease-fire in the works. it may not have been a great deal. it was in many ways an embarrassing deal for the administration. but it was a cease-fire. now they are going to do everything they can to kill american soldiers in afghanistan, and they probably will succeed. but you also have north korea. trump is constantly saying the short-range missile tests, of which i think there have been nine now. >> weekly occurrence. >> it's nothing. short-range. it can't hit america. forget it. there was a u.n. report august
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30th, very detailed, based on very good intelligence that said that the short-range ballistic missiles, medium-range ballistic missiles are all developing the same technology, which is solid fuel that allows them to be hidden and launched without american surveillance being affected. >> we'll talk more about that massive attack on one of the biggest processing plants in the world. two, as a matter of fact. elisa slot kin joins us on set. and the fight to take down the gop. not one but two 2020 candidates. bill weld, former congressman joe walsh will join us here. joe walsh will join us here. our 18-year-old
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this is "up". i'm david gura. we will hear from a member of the house armed services committee and the attacks on oil facilities in saudi arabia. it has led to an uptick in tension between the u.s. and iran. 8th congressional district. you're an expert >> cia analyst on iraqi shia militias but spent a lot of time looking at the roles of the militias and iran. when i saw the attack, it certainly rang a few bells. we don't know yet.
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i don't think anyone has any special knowledge of what exactly happened. i'm not sure the administration has specific knowledge yet so soon after the attack. i have seen how iran works with groups and provides material, training, counsel to employ more advanced technology like this. i don't know, but it wouldn't shock me if there was an iranian training role in this whole thing. >> without asking you to speculate on what happened with that attack, let me ask you to give us your sense of why the administration reacted as quickly as it did. why did mike pompeo feel so confident in doing so? >> they have been pretty open about it. they are trying to pressure iran and build up the pressure so we have a stronger hand in some negotiations they hope to get to. so their immediate reaction was to sort of put the eyes of the world on iran. i just think they have lost credibility with people. and certainly our allies are not
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going to jump in just because we say, well, it was iran and we need to take action and move and pressure them. especially as the u.n. general assembly is about to start. i think that's one of the pieces that is so disturbing about this administration is that our credibility has just sunk. and when our closest allies hear the secretary of state saying, it's iran, and they just keep quiet, that is a statement about where we are right now with this presidency and with our role in the world. >> i would just say i think in europe, where i normal live spend my time, there is a general sense that this crisis with iran was created not by iran. it was created by president trump. he's the one who pulled out of the nuclear agreement. he's the one who said i can get so much better deal than obama. he supplied maximum pressure to iran when in fact, iran was implying exactly to the letter of the agreement. and everybody knew it. so when they now say, oh, look
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at iran, look how aggressive they are, the idea is look, you dumb person. >> he said he is the maker and the art of the deal. we continue to see that none of his deals, whether direct appeals to north korea, meetings with putin behind closed doors, taliban talks that failed the week of 9/11, and now we see in stability in afghanistan and the region. none of his deals are working. as we head into 2020, if people are paying attention, that could hurt him as well. >> the vacancy of not having a national adviser, who do you want to see in that role? how much does the role matter at this point? the articles we have read that perhaps the secretary of state wants to take on that role and secretary of state to have the henry kissinger type role right now? >> i worked in the bush white house and the obama white house.
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the thing that was similar about them both is that there was a process. there was a way for the agencies, the departments to come to the situation room. you all sit around the table, and you present your view on the issue. and you may not win the argument. you may not win the day. but at least the information is bubbling up. what happened with this administration before bolton was fired or resigned, the process fell apart, and you weren't having information bubble up. we all know -- think of any industry we're in. if the top leaders only talk amongst themselves and not receiving feedback from experts, you make bad policy. you have knee-jerk decisions. unfortunately, whether we have bolton there or not, that's what we are seeing and will continue to see. >> i want to get a sense of your capacity, your ability to get answers to questions on these matters and others. there was reporting on the cia asset in russia who was brought back. >> yeah. >> i'm sure you want answers on that as well. we have seen the stonewalling the last many months.
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>> yeah. >> help us understand how leadership has tried to figure out a way to get answers to questions like that. >> well, it's been difficult. there's no getting around it. the administration has broken with tradition and just refused to respond to subpoenas, to requests for information. i sat the other day -- i'm on a homeland security committee. it was the day before 9/11. it was september 10th. we had a hearing that was supposed to be on the state of international and domestic terrorism. we had invited the acting director of homeland security, the head of the fbi and the head of the national counterterrorism center. they couldn't fit it in. they didn't show up. that is unheard of and frankly offensive as someone who was in the cia and pentagon. so i think we just have a problem right now where the administration is stonewalling. and we are a co-equal branch of government. we have to show some muscle too. we have to respect the constitution and push for more
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answers. but the administration is -- you know, they're pushing us to -- they're playing chick question us on forceful action that i think -- i would rather be making laws. i would rather not be in the game of chicken. but they are pushing us there. >> itmpeachment. 134 representatives are in favor of that process beginning. you're not on that list. what are you weighing as all of this unfolds? you see the committee laying out a plan for this investigation to proceed? >> i mean, listen, i think -- first of all, if you want to know what's going on in my district, yes, there are people who ask me about impeachment. what i use as the grocery store test. when i'm walking through the kroger, which is our big grocery store at 9:30 at night i shop at odd hours because i'm a member of congress. people are not clutching my arm and talking to me about impeachment. they are saying i couldn't send
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my child to summer camp because i couldn't afford the four inhalers she needed to have on site. those are the things that keep people up at night. we have a job to do. we have to provide a check and balance. i have been supportive in the judiciary committee going forward with their work. we need to be judicious. this can't be a conversation on the east coast and the west coast. we have to bring the country along with us. so far i'm not sure we have done a good job of that. i'm supportive of the judiciary committee doing their job. but before we launch into something we need to understand it's not just about providing checks and balances. we have to do those things that will help people's pocketbooks and their kids or we are only doing half the job. >> is there a window for this? i saw eric holder was on david axelrod. is a window closing on holding this president to account? >> no, i don't think so. i think that's the job. you know, there's three branches of government. that's always going to be our
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responsibility. we also have to think, you know, all of these things that are going on right now set a precedent. they set a foundation for other presidents and other leaders to do the same thing. so there is a part of this where you really -- you're not just doing it for us. you're doing it for our kids and our grandkids and making a statement about what is acceptable in the american sort of ideal. no, i don't think there is a statute of limitations on what we should be doing and that's the right thing. >> thank you for your time. elissa slotkin joining us in new york. benjamin netanyahu to win over israeli voters presenting himself as a global statesman. giant posters showing netanyahu shaking hands with president trump and president putin. joe biden set to deliver a major speech this morning. brand-new excerpts of what he
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we have to make sure every single child does go to school. we bring social workers into homes to help them deal with how to raise their children.
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they don't know quite what to do. play the radio. make sure the television -- make sure you have the record player on at night. make sure that kids hear words. a kid from a very poor background will hear fewer words spoken by the time they get there. >> vice president joe biden debate night comment on the legacy of a string of remarks on race that have many on the democratic side wondering if he can discuss this country's history of racism. he is scheduled to deliver what his campaign said will be a significant speech on race, coinciding with the 16th street baptist church bombing. the same poisonous ideology that lit the fuse in the 16th street pulled the trigger in mother emmanuel unlushed the anti
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essential particular massacre in pittsburgh and poway and saw a white supremacist gun down innocent latino immigrants in el paso parking lot with military-grade weapons declaring it it would stop a quote his handic in vacation of texas. the speech became a turning point in barack obama's campaign for the presidency. >> in the white community, the path to a more perfect union means acknowledging that what as the african-american community does not just exist in the minds of black people. that the legacy of discrimination and current elements of discrimination, though less overt than in the past, are real and must be addressed not just with words but deeds. bien vesting in our schools, in our communities, by forcing our civil rights laws and ensuring
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fairness in our criminal justice system. by providing this generation with riders of opportunity that were unavailable for previous generations. it requires all americans to realize that your dreams do not have to come at the expense of my dreams. investing in the health, welfare and education of black and brown and white children will ultimately help all of america prosper. >> reverend al sharpton joining us from washington, d.c. we played the debate last week. it's been played a lot. a transcript has been studied in the days sense. what does joe biden have to do today and what are you going to be listening for? >> i think what i will be listening for is how he, if he becomes president, will address the race gap.
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i think what a lot of americans do not understand is that even in a good economy, blacks are still doubly unemployed to whites. we still get interior education in terms of the resources of putting education in our communities. and we still get less business opportunities. you have some cities that have no plaques that are contracted to do public works in their own community. and i want to hear how he will use his office to close the race gap. all boats are being lifted -- lift the bottom does not work when you have a gap. you just continue the gap, just at a higher level. we need a specific plan from mr. biden. as he would say, i would do this to make sure specifically we close that in equality. >> let me ask you about the obama speech as a template for this. it focuses on the constitution.
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it is evolving. moves on to history. to personal history. as we saw in the excerpt, a call to action. how that dovetailed with his campaign. >> i think the vice president has used barack obama as a model for his entire campaign. it is interesting that the former president has not come out and endorsed him directly so far. what barack obama had that joe biden doesn't have is that he directly experienced these things as the first black president of the united states. it's not 2008. we're heading into election 2020. as reverend sharpton just said the focus on the racial wealth gap is part of the information. white families have 13 times the wealth that black families do in this country. that is a direct legacy of slavery, of jim crow. that is something i have been covering at least a decade and something that has not gone the attention it requires. i was very surprised biden did
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not address reparations, which is something congress has taken up, the senate has taken this up. and he talked around it. look, i work in public radio. i would love for people to listen to the radio. but that does not close the gap that we are talking about. and even his reference to that study that he was referring to, poor children -- let's be clear. poor children are not always black and brown children. biden has misstepped a bunch of times in this campaign when talking about the poor and who they are. those remarks in that debate fell flat with a lot of voters of color, particularly younger progressive voters of color. >> on this sunday morning, let me ask about the space in which he is going to be delivering these comments this morning in this historic church that had that bombing take place now many decades ago. how much does that limit his ability to say what he might want to say about the sitting president of the united states? how does he have to tailor his remarks to where he will be
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delivering his speech this morning? >> i think the way you deal with that is say the same kind of acrimony and polarization that was almost normalized in birmingham in '63. and i was like 8 years old. but i was raised by a southerner. the atmosphere that this president is encouraging now. and the way you address the president is the same kind of venom and, again, normalizing this kind of hatred is what caused 16th street but is also what is behind charlottesville and also is what is behind the racist anti-semitic attacks. it is incumbent on him to do that in a way that he talks about repairing the damage from slavery all the way to
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birmingham until now, which he did not address in the debate as she correctly said. he went around it. we had all the action candidates there, biden was not there because he had not announced. i directly asked about reparatio reparations. biden started talking about a record player and many young people were trying to google up what a record player is. >> what do you say to those who hit back this vice president, backed the president, supported him in the polling so far but maybe winced as they heard his response thursday night? he has enjoyed the support of black voters in the early polls. what do you say to that? >> i would say what i have said. i'm here at the congressional black caucus. many are supporting the former vice president. many are supporting others. you can support him but you should also tell him to deal
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with the issues. and i started president obama. but when i felt president obama should be more focused, i would go to him and talk to him. you do not give anyone unconditional support particularly when you're going to be running against if you're successful in the nomination somebody like trump. if you really want to see the candidate that you are choosing win, you have to put him into training and give him tough sparring partners. coddling him will not prepare him for this sraeurbs race, the one of the general election. you're not giving them by giving them a pass. you have to make them deal with the tough issues and the tough items. >> appreciate your time this sunday morning. we will talk about it throughout the day. al sharpton from washington, d.c. >> thank you. biden's speech later ahead on msnbc. a fiery meeting that took place in the oval office on monday that preceded john bolton's
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this is "up". i'm david gura. we are learning more of the fight between president trump and john bolton. the afternoon before he departed the white house the two of them sparred over the idea of lifting sanctions on iran. bolton was the driving force behind the administration's maximum pressure campaign. kara lee joins us now. what happened in the oval office 2:00 p.m. on monday? the leaders of the united states, the national security adviser in that room. what happened behind closed doors? >> reporter: sure, david. what we have learned, we knew this meeting focused on afghanistan in part because, as you recall, last weekend is when the president disclosed that he was taking about heading a meeting with leaders of the taliban at camp david. john bolton pushed back on that. the president was frustrated he wouldn't go out and publicly back his policy.
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he felt there were a number of leaks. our understanding is that was largely about afghanistan. a person close to bolton said it was more than that. and the president raised this idea of lifting sanctions on iran as part of an effort to get iran back to the negotiating table. he wants to have a meeting potentially around the u.n. general assembly later this month with president rouhani of iran. this was an idea to incentivize iran to come to the table. and bolton pushed back on that. he went back and forth on it a little bit. another u.s. official said while the president floated this idea before, he seemed far more serious about it in this particular meeting. and the person close to bolton said this is what really pushed bolton to resign. as we know there is a disagreement between the president and bolton whether or not he resigned. the president said he fired him. john bolton said he resigned. a person close to bolton said it was largely because of the president moving toward lifting
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some of the u.s. sanctions against iran to get them to the negotiating table. >> the mechanism behind this maximum pressure campaign are these sanctions. what does this say about the degree to which we have exhausted the capabilities of this the vice. zarif has been sanctioned. what more is there to do? . >> a few more levels that could be pulled by the white house if they really, really wanted to. so far they have tried to get our allies to stop buying iranian oil. you will be sanctioned if you buy. they have issued few waivers to that effect. they said, you know, if they wanted to they could have more direct sanctions upon iran's economy more broadly if they wanted to. a full-on 'em bbargo. the international buy-in.
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no u.n. security sanctions agreeing with the usa. you have to stop buying iranian oil. iran has these obligations they would have to meet. they went away with the signature of the iran nuclear deal. so watching the president try and fenagle a meeting, the best option that can come from that would be if we get the iran deal back. >> and france paying up to keep this deal in shape. >> i think the french president worked very hard to get trump back into the deal one way or the other. they are basically the french are offering a mechanism which would give billions of dollars
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in loans to saudi arabia to enable it to sell oil and revive its economy a little bit. the sanctions have hurt quite a bit as it is. the iranian economy is suffering. but i think everybody understands, maybe not trump, that sanctions help a regime like the islamic revolutionary guard. they control what you can get if everything else is cut off. it's not going to take down the regime, which is what bolton wanted. and it probably isn't even going to get us to the kind of negotiations that trump wants. >> carol lee, very quickly, how closely should we be watching brian hook, the guy spearheading this maximum pressure campaign? to what degree are you watching him these coming days? >> closely. and a number of other candidates are pls also being looked at. the president is looking at his lead hostage negotiator. the chairman of the joint chiefs is being looked at.
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according to the president, 15 candidates are interested in the job. an announcement is supposed to come this week. we are all very closely looking at that. >> carol, thank you very much. appreciate your time on this sunday. he's not just taking on the president but his own party as well. former massachusetts governor bill weld will join us next. wil. great. wil. now i'm spending more time with the kids. i'm introducing them to crab. crab!? they love it. so, you mentioned that that money we set aside. yeah. the kids and i want to build our own crab shack. ♪ ♪ ahhh, you're finally building that outdoor kitchen. yup - with room for the whole gang. ♪ ♪ see how investing with a j.p. morgan advisor can help you. visit your local chase branch. -[ scoffs ] if you say so. ♪ -i'm sorry? -what teach here isn't telling you is that snapshot rewards safe drivers
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and now, new mr. clean magic eraser sheets. this is "up". i'm david gura. republicans are speaking out against their party. four states, arizona, kansas, nevada, south carolina canceled their gop primaries and caucus us. in a "washington post" op-ed, can candidates joe walsh, bill weld and mark sanford write millions of voters deserve a chan to hear alternate ideas on the national stage. spend the next six months attempting to draw new voters to our party instead of demanding fealty to a preordained choice. the system is stacked against you. this is a hard thing to navigate. by having this triumph now, having you and joe walsh and mark sanford together, how
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optimistic that is going to change things and make you you have odds of breaking into the system? >> well, we're going to have debates, at least amongst ourselves. the first is november 24th. that will excite a certain amount of attention. i think mr. trump and his handlers are worried about how he will look if he is stacked up against grown-ups who won't let him get away with saying nasty woman, nasty woman, nasty woman, which is what he did last time. i think they are scared of something. >> i like at our op-ed. and you say it is in part economic. why waste the money on having these things given the fact that you have an incumbent president. you three make the case in your piece that the money they're going to spend on lawsuits against this happening is going to be much more dramatic than that. is that something you three are doing as well? you are fighting not on the campaign trail alone but also in courtrooms? >> well, that could be a citizen suit violation of equal
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protection by camming tkap canc primary. at the end of the day, will we make a judgment of saving a few bucks by canceling our election. maybe the president and vladimir putin would like that. >> he is invoked in your piece as well. a lot is a critique of republicans, republicans today. they have acquiesced or gone along with all of this. you're shaking them to life in this piece, at least trying to do that. and you are trying to do that on the campaign trail as well. what's your read of republicans who have gone along with this? we have gone through this house republican retreat in baltimore for which the party coalesced around the president even more. what explains it to you? the party you have been a part of and see that happen. >> it has to be nothing other than being obsessed with re-election. it doesn't make any sense otherwise. and i think it's going to have the counter effect. it's going to drag them all down to defeat if they stick with the
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president and his insane racism. the guy is unfit for the office. he's assaulting our liberties, and it's time that everyone acknowledge that. and silence screams here. republicans in the senate and the house, the same thing is going to happen as happened with president nixon in 1974. they defended him all summer. it turned out he was a liar. they all went down in defeat. i have seen this movie. >> i'm curious as you see this building up, this field gets more crowded, do you think we are reaching a tip point where things will have to change? >> let's put in in perspective. it is 20 some odd candidates. narrowing down to maybe 10, maybe 5. weld is right. going on stage against hillary
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clinton is one thing. going on stage against three formidable, we hope, republican candidates who actually want to talk about policy, race iism. we have had time to assess the president's performance. his opponents have something to latch onto and hold him accountable. that's not something the president wants. >> i think we tend to overlook the fact that in 2016 a bunch of adults were on stage with now president trump. he's kind of wiped the floor with them. i don't think it's necessarily the president being afraid to take on the challengers. that rhetoric is trying to bait him into getting involved. the president has a very thin skin. to hear himself called afraid of anything, he will want to jump into the mix. it makes total sense for me that
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rnc has bought in. they see him as a pathway to continued power. in the long run it doesn't matter as long as in the short run he's the conduit for their continued survival. until that hold is broken, i don't really see the rnc shaking back to being unbiased part stakeholder in the elections. >> he was sort of a laughing stock for a while, until he did win. >> until he did. all right. bill weld, thank you for joining us. always appreciate the time. >> thank you, david. in the next hour, a number of republican candidates will join us. joe walsh will be with us right here on "up". thanks very much to my panel. christopher dickey from paris. and hayes brown. we're going to preview the speech and hear from supporters and talk to a journalist who says the vice president's remarks on thursday are disqualifying. ualifying.
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this is "up". i'm david gura. former vice president joe biden in birmingham, alabama this morning. he is expected to deliver a major speech on race. it will center on this country's ongoing struggle to live up to its founding ideals. it will take place at services to commemorate the 56th
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anniversary of the 16th street baptist church bombing which killed four african-american girls. it is a pivotal moment in the civil rights movement. much the same way the 2015 shooting at mother emmanuel. it could be a defining moment for joe biden as he seeks to deepen his support among minority communities. despite the criticisms, biden maintained an overwhelming lead with black voters compared to his rivals. another obama administration official is coming to his defense. former attorney general eric holder stopping short oven tkorsitkor endorsing him last night. >> i don't think there is any reason that a president biden would be any less supportive of civil rights than president obama. as i just said, i might have been wrong then but this is where i am now. and, you know, you judge me on
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the spirit of my career. >> as we look ahead to that speech which starts in an hour's time, mike pesca joins me. and lopez for business insider and deputy assistant secretary of state and host of the podcast "unredacted." mike, you've been following the vice president for some time. a fund-raiser this weekend during which he previewed or tested out some of the remarks he is going to deliver in that pulpit today. give us a sense what the campaign says the substance of the speech is going to be. >> reporter: yeah, david. the campaign is previewing, this is a speech he has been scheduled to give for quite some time. it's an important moment in drawing a through line in one of the consistent themes of his candidacy, which is we're in this battle for the heart and soul of america. he famously talked about that, the violent demonstrations in charlottesville.
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and at that speech in iowa how donald trump has fanned the flames of division and hatred in this country given the common cause with with white supremacists. today he will talk about what has been a constant struggle in our nation's history. as he said, hate hasn't gone away. it's always been hiding. it will give a sense of the way he describes it as america's constant struggle against our founding values and the hatred that exists today. according to prepared remarks, he will talk about as dr. king all likewised those girls perhaps not even he could have imagined the day nearly 50 years later when this nation's first black president would award them with the congressional gold medal one of our highest civilian honors. that change comes sometimes slowly sometimes all at once and progress continues. the nation electing the first black president we also have to reckon with as the vice president will say, the ongoing
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hatred this this country and the fact that donald trump was elected just eight years later. as part of his remarks, he will go on to say lynch mobs, lone gunman, bomb makers. given some of the criticism, there is this paradox of biden's candidacy. whereas you say the nation's first black president has been tripped up time and time again by some of his own comments about race. >> stay with us if you would. our next guest served alongside vice president joe biden. the first black woman to serve in the united states senate. she is backing vice president biden. let me start with the remarks the vice president made in that debate on thursday night. i wonder if you winced as he delivered the remarks as he reacted to that quotation from 40 years ago being read back to him. perhaps what you would say to those who think he didn't hit the question as the way he should have.
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>> i served with joe biden for six years in the united states senate when i was the only person of color there. the only black woman in the senate. so race was a continuing theme at the time. and i know this man's heart. i know how he responds to these issues. we had to fight back efforts to repeal the public accommodations act. and a whole slew of bills and the like. and he was always on the right side of those issues. and that's why -- that's one of the reasons why i have endorsed him in this campaign for president. by the way, i claim alabama roots. my mother's family is from union springs, alabama. i do have personal familiarity where he is today but much the point where he has been has been on the right side of the history consistently on issues of race. and i have full confidence that he will do the right thing and do the best thing for people of color as president of the united states. >> you have that confidence. but i wonder what you would say to somebody who is losing that
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confidence? he's enjoyed the support of black voters here in this early months. for those wavering, what would you say to them? >> look at this man's record. he dedicated his life to serving your interests. obviously things change. change is the only constant in this life. but the fact of the matter is he has been there when it's mattered. he will be there when it mattered. if somebody is losing confidence, i tell them to hang on in there and look at his past as an indicator of where he is going to go, where he will go as president and stay -- and be steadfast. hang in there with him. he deserves your support. >> there was a moment during which letters came to light which he praised or talked about his relationship with segregationist senators. your personal history. i come from north carolina. when i was there, jessie helms was the senior senator. you have your strained relationship with him as well. how did you react to that,
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seeing the letters when they came in? that was the starting of this campaign. >> my question is how does somebody put joe biden on the back foot about race? the fact of the matter is he was out in front when strom thurman was picking on me, jessie helm was picking on me. he was in the forefront helping to resolve those issues and helping me personally and helping the issues. so how do you get on the back foot when you have been a leader on these things? and he has been for at least as long as i've known him. and i was in the senate 20 years ago. i just don't know -- i mean, obviously you can always find something, right? you can fly speck anybody and embarrass them with something they said or did back in the past. but joe biden works with everybody. and i think that's commendable. i think it's a good thing. he is not picking personal fights with people. he is going on to do the work of a senator and then vice president, soon to be president
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i hope. >> last question here. a lot has been made about joe biden the establishment candidate. he has a long career of public service. back when you run against williamson maybe an anti establishment case in part, it was partly on which you were building your campaign, what do you say say it's time for something new, it's time for something different. yes, there is a long record of public service. but others are perhaps more progressive, who may be better suited with where they are in their careers to take this job. >> i ran against dixon, a six-term senator when i ran against him and won. people of illinois sent me to the senate as the anti, as the outside candidate. you can imagine as a black female, i've always been the outsider candidate. i'm comfortable in that space. joe biden calling an establishment candidate may be the case now. but the fact of the matter is he always stood for the right values, he's always done the
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right thing. i find nothing blame worthy in his past or his activities as a public servant and say he has always been in the forefront. and anybody who is looking for even more change, a quick aside here. my little niece explained to me what rain rain new phone means. i stay on top of things. change is constant. things are always changing. young people have expectations that frankly should not mean kicking the people to the curb who has been there trying to help them all along. and so i think that the people you mentioned who are losing faith, pay attention to what this man is about and you are up against the biggest single threat to civil rights we have seen in a generation. i have never seen a president like the one we have now. and we really are in a time of real division and real conflict that it is going to take someone with the experience, skill and
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know-how to calm that. and that person is joe biden. >> that speech begins in just about an hour's time. thank you very much for your time on this sunday morning. back to my panel. mike memoli. the latest pick for the magazine digs into why it is time for joe to go. he writes if defeating trump in 2020 is as important to biden as he so often claims, he should end his campaign and remove himself from contention for president. let me start there and react to what the senator had to say. your piece centers on the fact that we need, in your estimation, an anti-racist president. help us understand what you mean by that? >> well, i think, david, you saw early on in barack obama's presidency the urgency of which the right approached his election essentially. they thought it was an emergency. they thought that it was something they needed to address with a tea party movement. they thought it was something that they needed to, you know,
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essentially call all arms essentially, that we need to, you know -- make sure that, you know, someone is crazy and is as radical as donald trump could actually be considered as president. and we need to -- i think on the left consider it just as much an emergency. that doesn't mean we need to elect someone as unqualified and unprepared for the office as donald trump just because, you know, we have them available. but we need to really consider this as a national emergency. we need to address it with that kind of urgency. frankly, i don't seed democrats doing that. what i see them doing is rushing to choose a candidate who is, you know, i guess fits the stereotypical picture of what a president, they think, looks like. and i see frankly a lot of black voters choosing a candidate who
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they think white voters will choose. and that is unfortunate. >> mike, let me turn to you. how disqualifying was the response to that question that he was asking and responding to something he said four years ago, asked to talk about his evolution of views since then and sort of where he sees that in the history of our country. >> it was only qualifying. we live in a democracy. so people have to decide. it is only disqualifying as it highlighted his biggest problem, he has, however you want to say it, lost his step, lost mileage on his fastball, mild cognitive decline. that's not who you want going up against donald trump or leading the country. everything else is a rorschach test. in the headline you say we need an anti racist and joe biden isn't that. i know how double negatives work. you are implying joe biden is a
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racist. you are approvingly quoting tweets saying this isn't the new style of racism, this is 1950s casual racism and joe biden's mask has slipped. you're shaking your head. buff i also understand -- >> i think you don't understand what racist means. >> the anti-racism rhetoric means, the book about how to be an anti-racist which means we always have to fight racism. it is a rorschach test. he had a word salad. joe biden isn't a racist. >> ryan grim writing the blatant racism in that answer has not received the scrutiny it deserves. i'm struck how in your pieces you include the transcript of it. it is one thing to listen to it. another thing to read as well. i will have you respond to what mike said about anti-racism. . >> "first things first". with regard to aoebraim kendy's
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book, you need people who are not anti racist. it is not enough to say you are not racist. you have to have people working towards the goal of eliminating racism. so i think in this case you're working against a whitecumbent incumbent. this is a case where you need a nominee who is not only conversant in anti racism but actively practicing it. so it is not about whether or not somebody is called a racist. let's get out of that conversation now. okay. it is not about whether or not joe biden is a race i. let's stop that, okay? we're talking about whether or not he knows and understands the practice of anti-racism. and we have a bunch of candidates here who frankly know
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that language and practice a lot better than he does. >> there well, i want to ask you about the polling involved here. making this case. why would joe biden change, why would he leave if he looks at the polling numbers and sees that he is still the front-runner here? >> i -- you know, that is something you have to talk to his campaign about. my favorite part of the piece was the world vocabulary. the vocabulary around anti racist has changed. and if you are a student of anti-racism you understand how the movement is currently talking about things like mass incarceration, about what we need for our communities, about intersectionality. these are all people in biden's generation may not be familiar with. they are the vanguard of how our communities think about fighting racism. if you are committed anti-racist, then you're
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studying these words, studying what the community wants to put forward. and i'm not saying that donald trump is a racist. i made that clear. and i never would say joe biden is a racist. i don't think he is. i think that he is somebody who has become very comfortable with how he thinks about race and that is a level of understanding of our communities and our understanding of ourselves and how we want to push america forward. it is 15 to 20 years old, if not 30. as a young person, it is difficult for me to see people like julian castro, cory booker, who are trying to embrace our understanding of what the community needs and what racism is. because racism has changed. the language of the alt-right has changed. the way that they congress gate, what they want and what they have been pushing for politically has evolved. the black community has evolved
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also. the latino community has evolved also. and what i think janelle is trying to say there, biden has not been part of that evolution at all. and it is disappoint to go young people to see that he has been able to kind of skate by without doing his homework on our community. >> philippe, i want you to weigh in here lastly. and let's talk about this evolution. you have a vice president candidate here who seems like he wants or sees the need to evolve. you have been in the room with him before. how did you process what unfolded here the last week? >> you know, i think you have a couple of things. first, to jamil's piece which i thought was over the top, not in his criticism but in his remedy, to say that this is disqualifying and joe biden should leave the race, that is a very serious thing. it's not so seen on the contrary
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to blacks being polled in the democratic party. secondly, lynn et's point is the right point, which is who is best to deal with this going forward? as a 77-year-old man, the best white man, the best person to do it? is a 78-year-old white man the best to do it? is a 70-year-old white woman the best to do it? meanwhile, they account for 60% of the democratic vote. now something interesting, which is the real political key to this. she said it a couple times. which is joe biden has been pushed on miss back foot about this. he's in alabama today. it's the 56th anniversary of the bombing. that means he was 21 when it happened. you can look at that two ways. he's either old as dirt or he's really been through the battles. when i look at joe biden, look, he can sit here and say fill whrao leap, i saw you in "the situation room" 10 years ago. i know this is someone in his
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49, 50 years in public service, has done what he can to make life better for americans, white americans, black americans, hispanic americans, people of color, anyone living in this country. if it is not as fast or efficient or as correct in terms of his lexicon, that is a function of his age and his generation. people are going to individually have to decide whether he is best able to do it in this age. i think it's pretty clear who is and who isn't. but jamil, he disqualifies. >> everybody here read the piece, enjoyed the piece, took something from the piece. respond to what mike and philippe said. there is this call to action in the piece. how did you decide to do that, why you think that's the remedy before the speech we will hear in a few minutes. >> well, listen, something that went unmentioned the other night, friday, september 13th, was the anniversary of president
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clinton signing into law the 1994 crime bill. and so if we're going to judge, cast carol moseley braun says, joe biden on his past, then we should judge the totality of it. and if we're going to judge joe biden on, you know, all of his record, we should judge all of it. we can't just judge the parts we want to judge on. we should judge the presidential candidate on what they are going to do in the future. black community is being asked to accept joe biden on what we already know about him and not what he is going to do for us in the future. given what we have in the situation right now is exactly the wrong thing. we have somebody in office that we -- frankly, if he's going to replace donald trump, he's going
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to have to fix a whole lot of stuff. frankly, he seems very ill-equipped both in terms of rhetoric and policy, and he's proving that often, often. then he's not the right person to do it. and if he's not the right person to do it, and he says it is in fact, important we get this person replaced, shaoe sthe sho aside. to me that is the patriotic thing to do. i'm not the one saying i should be the only person deciding this. it is a recommendation. >> thank you very much for coming on the show to talk about it. mike memoli from birmingham as well. when we come back, the massive attack on the biggest oil processing plant in the world. what it means for escalating tensions in iran and americans's wallets as gas prices are set to rise. ets as gas prices are set o rise
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this is "up". i'm david gura. the u.s. blaming iran for two drone attacks in saudi arabia this weekend with over half the kingdom's daily production affected. meanwhile, chief political tensions hitting highs after president trump fired john bolton. joining us is hans nichols.
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there was not an official statement from the president of the united states. we saw the tweets from the secretary of state. i understand there was a phone call between "the crown" prince of saudi arabia and the president of the united states. >> reporter: what's remarkable about this is the speed with which these statements making this allegation came out. it was just a couple hours after this full scope of this attack had come in. mike pompeo went to twitter and clearly alleged and made the allegation that iran was behind this. not the houthis, who claimed credit for it. so we have an allegation. we don't necessarily have evidence. in the past, when the u.s. has been trying to make the case that iran has been behind things, they have brought reporters out to say the defense logistics agency, scud missiles, they will get down to the serial numbers and say this was clearly made in iran. that usually takes five to six weeks. that evidence isn't always overwhelming. in that case when the yemenese, houthis sent missiles into the
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saudi airport, the u.s. said iran was behind it. the u.n. didn't get to the same conclusion. but there has been an effort maybe perhaps because of the iraq fiasco there has been an effort to try to provide some sort of evidence. we don't have that evidence yet and we don't have the consensus from the international community that iran was behind this. and, davide, as you mentioned, all of this comes as a remarkable amount of turmoil, what was his disagreement with the president about? how forcefully to go after iran. >> we heard from carol lee a few minutes ago. a fiery fight in the oval office monday, the day before he left the white house. hans nichols, thank you for that upday. so much of this administration's focus is on the economy, on markets. i mentioned in my intro, there is a accepts this will lead to oil prices going up. how much does that add to the squeeze of the vice here? >> sure. we haven't seen inflation in this country at least not by our official measures since the financial crisis.
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and the fear is that prices go up in the middle of this trade work, at a time when business investment is slowing, hiring is slowing, hours worked is slowing. it's not the last thing that the trump administration needs is for costs to go up like this. and, you know, he seems to be good friends with mbs. mbs and jared get along super well. so maybe they can work something out. in the meantime, this is definitely something that is going to be very much on the white house's radar. and it seems like the president gets a little queasy every time the stock market pukes. expect some of that monday morning. >> mike, very quickly here. before we go to break, there was a talk about mike pompeo becoming national security adviser as well. here he was yesterday taking the lead on this before all the evidence was gathered saying this wasn't the houthi rebels. this was iran. >> in this administration, pompeo is the cooling saucer. >> yikes.
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>> oil prices -- >> yes. >> trump said i disagreed with everybody except maybe mike pompeo. it seems that is the one guy who maybe has a little bit of credibility or hasn't totally destroyed his credibility. and i thought it was interesting that after john bolton left, oil prices came down. >> there you go. >> be reminded he called mike pompeo "beauty and the beast". >> in korea. that's right. took to the stage and said "beauty and the beast". go ahead. >> it is whoever did this is very unnerving that someone has the ability to launch 10 simultaneous drone strikes into the kingdom. >> and it seems like it is something that might have come from inside the kingdom, which should be unnerving to mbs. he will go on a rampage, i have no idea about that. we are talking now about saudi domestic destabilization. >> we don't need their oil, but we need their stability. >> it has made him much harder
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to take on the president. 2020 candidate joe walsh and what he says his party, the critical mistake his party is making. , the critical mistake his party is making
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the republicans have never been more united. look at the polling itself with this president. no president, not even ronald reagan had as much support as donald trump does.
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>> that was thursday. in a "washington post" op-ed, joe walsh, mark sanford and bill weld write a president always defines his or her party. today the republican party has taken a wrong turn held by a serial self-promoter who has abandoned the bedrock principles of the gop. let me ask you about one rhetorical trick you have in this piece. you are setting up the democrats as a party of ideas in this dynamic. i want to ask you about the potential effectiveness of that. you are talking about the degree in which republicans are seeding grouped to debate amongst themselves, inside the direction of their party and indeed this country while republicans continue to coalesce, to kevin mccarthy's words, around the president of the united states. >> david, it's good to be with you. we have become a cult. i just listened to my former colleague, kevin mccarthy, say
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the republican party has never been stronger. man, we have never been more united. but we are going to eliminate elections, cancel primaries because we are so damn strong and so united, we're going to cancel primary elections. david, that doesn't sound like a strong party. that doesn't sound like a strong president. lo look, this is all about trump. kevin mccarthy and all of my former colleagues, they are scared to death of this president. what an absolute shame. >> what explains that? as you look in the eyes of your former colleagues, congressmen and congresswomen. what explains how aoe no, ma'amored how subservient they have become to this president. >> they are afraid of him. they are afraid of his voters. look, i believe trump is unfit. i believe he lies virtually every time he opens his mouth. he is a threat to the country. most of my colleagues privately feel the same way about trump.
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what they are hoping for, david, is that he loses in 2010. they know, kevin mccarthy knows because of donald trump, the republican party is losing young people, losing people of color, they're losing women, and they're losing people in the suburbs. donald trump is destroying the party but they want him to leave in two years in 2020, and then they think they can pick the pieces up again. that's cowardly is and wrong. >> i want to bring in a few khraoebgs in a second. let me ask you to forecast a bit what this republican party looks like post-trump be that in 2020 or 2024. how much are you thinking about that? how much do you think your colleagues in the house, former colleagues in the house, colleagues in the senate are thinking about that? >> you know what, david, i think they're so short-sighted, they think, and i really do believe most of them, want trump gone in 2020 because they know he's bad for the party. and then they think they can just come together and pick up
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the pieces and republican party here we are again. no. the damage that this president has done to this party is long term. and that's why the primary challenge, david, is so important. republicans have to stand up now against the bigotry and the cruelty of this president or it's going to take us generations to get young people and women voters back. >> congressman has a question for you. >> i pause for a moment and credit you with your too subtle stockho stockholm. >> i'm glad the joke landed. >> you met with george conway, who is about as enthusiastically against donald trump as it gets, irrespective of his household. i know that you asked for a formal role. is there any sense that he might come aboard or, more importantly, did he give you any insights as to what he thinks is the way to go after trump? >> great question.
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look, let me say this about george conway. history will look back on this period and they'll identify george conway as one of our greatest patriots. think about his unique position. and yet he speaks out every day. why does george conway speak out against donald trump every day? because in his heart he knows what a danger donald trump is to this country. george conway is in a difficult position because of his wife to say that. but he says it because he believes it. he's been a wonderful friend and a wonderful adviser to my campaign. man, i'd be blessed and i would welcome george's support, and i hope there will be formal support down the road some day. because george conway and i agree. look, this election is not about trump's tariffs or trump's debt increases. this is about trump. it's a referendum on trump. the man is unfit. conway knows that and i know that.
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>> hi. a lot of republicans just love trump and are drinking the kool-aid. those who don't sayoc we will put up with this because we get what we really care about, taxes and judges. how will the walsh administration improve on the record as far as taxes and judges? >> they have made a bargain and the bargain is short-sighted. look at all we have lost. give me a little bit of a tax cut. give me a few good judges. and the rule of law be damned. separation of powers be damned. we have a king and a dictator in the white house right now. republicans used to abhor that kind of thing. barack obama never did a tenth of what this guy has done. what we have to do is get the republican party back to the party that it was.
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i believe in strong borders. i don't want anybody this this country illegally. but we welcome everybody from around the world, no matter what your color or creed is if you want to come to this country legally. donald trump, man, he has turned that into, like, some bigoted, cruel, dark thing that the republican party right now is saddled with. >> there is an exchange of ideas happening between you and mark sanford and bill weld as well. that will be formally done in a debate. i thought you might want to hold fire until then but i think you have a question. >> well, of course. looking forward to talking to you september 24th when we will be having our debate at business insider. but you are talking about the republican ten and how it is shrinking. are you the best person to expand that. you're a birther. you said some racist things. the president is a lot like that. so how are you different?
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>> you know what, i came to washington with the tea party movement. and let's make a really important point here. the republican party was divided before trump. the republican party was weak and feckless before trump. that's how come trump won. that's why he was able to win so easily. look, trump's voters were my voters. trump's voters have been my listeners on the radio show these past five or six years. i come from the same place. i understand why so many people voted for trump. they wanted disruption. they were tired of the republican party. the difference is donald trump is all about donald trump. he doesn't give a damn about anything else. joe walsh does. i care about race. i care about the republican party being an open tent. i'm not afraid to talk about these issues. many times i have gone over the line when i have talked about these issues. but, man, i welcome the conversation.
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with trump, it's just all about donald trump. it's like we're not even a party of ideas any more. we're gone with that. >> joining us from chick, joe walsh, former congressman. september 24th? >> september 24th, 7:00 p.m. we'll be talking to you about your father. >> all about the shameless plugs. thank you, congressman. appreciate it. another accusation against brett kavanaugh. accusation agait brett kavanaugh. get all the shrimp you want, any way you want 'em. like new sriracha-honey shrimp, savory grilled teriyaki shrimp, classic shrimp scampi and more! red lobster's endless shrimp is $15.99. hurry in. i am royalty of racing, i am the twisting thundercloud. raise your steins to the king of speed.
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this is "up". i'm david gura. the pages of the new york sometimes and the sunday review related to another accusation of sexual misconduct directed at brett kavanaugh. according to the article in the "times" the allegation was reported to the fbi during his confirmation process last year but was not investigated by the bureau. liam caldwell is here on more of the details we get from this piece. this is from a book, deeply reported book by two reporters of the "new york times". it is a forthcoming book. they made an allegation untoward behavior took place. she said sexual assault took place at a party at yale while she was a freshman. >> so, david, what's interesting is that they did get to sit down with deborah ramirez. let's rewind a little bit.
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during the kavanaugh confirmation, after christine blasey ford came out with her allegations against the to-be supreme court justice, there was other accusations from his time at yale. this allegation is from a woman named deborah ramirez. she also went to yale with kavanaugh. she alleged that kavanagh exposed himself to her at a party. now, at the time nbc corroborated this reporting and the "times" story today actually corroborates what we also reported at the time, and that was mutual friends of kavanaugh and ramirez, they reached out to the fbi to ask the fbi to investigate this claim and that that did not happen. as we know, of course, the senate went on to confirm kavanaugh, and he's now sitting on the supreme court. kavanaugh at the time denied these allegations. and the "times" does note they
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tried to interview kavanaugh but they couldn't agree to terms of an interview, so the interview did not happen. but this morning the president is tweeting about this incident. he tweeted twice this morning. he said that brett kavanaugh should start suing people for liable. i think he means libel. or the justice department should come to his rescue saying there are lies being told about him, calling them unbelievable. in a second tweet, the radical left democrats and their partner, the lame stream media, are after brett kavanaugh again talking loudly and using their favorite word, impeachment. you know, these allegations against brett kavanaugh dogged his tenure since his confirmation hearing and they don't seem to be going away, david. >> the history of all of this. she said justice on the supreme court, i'm quoting from the
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piece, has denied claims by deborah ramirez. let me start with you here. so to what leigh-ann was saying to which any due diligence was done. we go back to the history. it happened in such a compressed period of time. the fbi had time to investigate this. we see here in this piece. we look back at the history to note it was not a full investigation. >> yeah. well, i mean, you have to start with brett kavanaugh what he said this morning with the character witness of donald trump standing up for him. fellow sexual predator. in the aftermath of charlottesville, at least people came together in denouncing trump. he still has his 35%, 40%. kavanaugh was the old days. full-on half and half country. and you were just blinded by what you saw. what's scary about it and sad about it, it's the same thing as
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the anita hill hearings. it took decades to sort of get to the truth. and we're still debating. or there are people still debating. it was not designed to get to the truth. people already decided she was treated pretty badly. she was the only one we heard from. it will take the media and others, hopefully not decades, to get to the truth. and i think the truth will be very unnerving. >> there what i remember, among other things, in an institution where things move slower and slower every day, there was this mad rush to get this through, to get through as fast as possible. >> the dog and pony show. there was. the nasty reality that this issue brings up is white male privilege is in this country. and part of what brett kavanaugh and his proponents say is it was
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not as much a factor -- you know, brett calf knauf deserves to be a supreme court justice. he is not carried here on the wings of his privilege. but when you look at the reports of the investigation and how it was done, you realize that kavanaugh used his privilege as a sword and shield his entire life. and it has taken him to this moment, to this moment where he was not even investigated properly for the things that he is alleged to have done. you can say whatever you want about whether or not brett kavanaugh should be a supreme court judge. it seems he has been protected and pushed on his way through that path his entire life and a way that women and minorities and other people in this country who are not from the same background would not be pushed and not be protected. so this is just -- continues to be an ugly example of how people like brett kavanaugh skate through life. and it's, ugh. >> to that point, philippe's point as well, how glaring is
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the asterisk next to his name? the story built and built and built over decades. >> what's an asterisk? he will be one of the decisive votes on the supreme court. someone will say roger maris had an asterisk. he still held the home run records. clarence thomas. nothing can get him off the court. i would love to hear what jeff flake and susan collins says about this. maybe it will rebound in the election campaign in maine. in political circles, it is still seen by many republicans as the democrats kpoecomposure bad for democrats. claire mccaskill said she wasn't re-elected because of the kavanaugh hearings. there was the perception this was good for the republicans. >> leigh-ann, last question to you. the partnership of public service in washington, d.c. classmate of brett kavanaugh and
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deborah ramirez as well. what does he add to this understanding on of what happened in 1983 in new haven? . >> david, he says this happened a second time as well. that according to the new york times. we heard rumors about this and we were never able to corroborate, so we didn't move forward with reporting it. the "times" reports that max desire saw him do this to another woman. i'm sure reporters will be looking into this immediately, david. >> hasn't commented on the matter. leigh-ann, thank you very much for walking us through this this morning. >> yeah. the united nations will tackle one of the toughest problems, climate change. we will look at what president trump has said on the matter. >> let's put up the windmills.
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when the wind doesn't blow, turn off the television, darling. there's no wind. turn off the television, please, quickly. >> it is tremendous weight. l and g is sought after all over the world. of it than anybody else. and i'm not going to lose that wealth. i'm not going to lose it on dreams, on windmills, which, frankly, aren't working too well. i'm an environmentalist. a lot of people don't understand that. >> the trump administration has targeted 85 environmental rules to roll back. and their effect is affecting everything from the air we breathe to air pollution, whether oil and gas companies are allowed to drill in our national parks. nearly two-thirds have been completed but another 32 are still in progress. we're joined on set by cal perry, correspondent for msnbc. he's been covering climate at the forefront of our coverage of the climate issue. you've been in texas looking at natural gas. hu
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help us dovetail with what the world's message and president trump's message is. >> we're the number one exporter of oil. that's changing economics around the country. but the cost of that is stark. and it includes these deregulations. donald trump two weeks ago deregulated methane emissions. methane traps heat. and his regulation specifically include these leaks of these sites in west texas. and it's a completely unnecessary deregulation. some of the major oil companies have said they'll keep the standard that they have. >> lynette, on the issue of regulation, there is this sad and petty tit-for-tat when it comes to regulation. a seeming eagerness on this administration's part to roll back things the previous administration did. dovetail that. put that on climate in particular. >> sure. no one hates barack obama more than it seems like donald trump. and whether ots our water, our air, he seems to be interested in doing things that undo
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obama's legacy. it is troubling to watch the president talk about the climate. i cannot imagine knowing so little about how things work and still trying to be an adult who functions. but here we are. and as much as i wish i could say that i think those following 32 regulations won't be rolled back, i think they probably will be. >> philippe, help us understand how this plays internationally. go back to the g7. the ad hoc lunch at the beginning of it. president macron there with president trump. he starts talking about climate and then you have the president fumbling his way through remarks surrounding that conversation. the world carries on without us. >> yeah, we pulled out of the paris accord. he's going to be at the ungo, the united nations general assembly, and they are just going to shoo him off because they know he's not a partner, he's not bright. i and others on this panel have used some coarse language about
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donald trump but when you watch him talk about windmills, he's a flat out idiot. no other word for it. second, let's be clear. he's against windmills because aesthetically, he didn't want them anywhere near his golf courses. everything always comes back to the -- >> what's crazy is even in xi jinping's authoritarian china, the only thing the chinese people have been able to justifiably cry out to their government for help with is clean water, clean air, the environment. a place where they can raise their children without wearing masks all the time. we in the united states have a president who listens to us less about the environment than xi jinping. >> one step further. he is a climate change denier. he's no different than jim inhofe taking a snowball on to the floor of the senate. >> he's a denier of science. he's denying the science that's there. >> let's go around and go further. >> in a place like europe where you have a much better
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understanding of climate change and what we're going through, where 200 species on this planet are going extinct every day. he's just not reading the science. he's ignoring it. and i'm surprised by the democratic party. this is a subject where you have a bigger division from the democrats than you do from donald trump and the two main candidates who have been focused on their campaigns climate. inslee is out and the governor of montana, steve bullock is not making the bars he needs to make. >> when i was traveling with governor inslee, a town ravaged by flooding that he was tieing to climate change. as i listened to him speak to voters, they weren't drawing that connection. maybe he paused and they thought about it. you were in the bahamas after this hurricane, after dorian went through. is the same thing happening there? how readily apparent that there's a line to be drawn to these things? >> in the bahamas, this was a category 5, bordering on 6 storm that stopped for 48 hours over
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this island and you can't build to withstand 48-hour winds of 200 miles an hour. this friday we're going to see walkouts across the country. and i have to say, i'm surprised we haven't seen a mobilization of that young voting bloc in a similar way that barack obama did when he was running for president. that voting bloc is out there and they're there for the taking. i am surprised it's not featuring more heavily in these debates. >> to make real progress is so hard and the heartbreaking thing is when we have made progress on this green light bulb thing, it's not enormous but it's demonstrable. the amount of energy being emitted from households has been emitted because of a better, light bulb. if you look at the 75, also up there to reallow bear baiting in alaska. if you want to hunt a grizzly bear and if you have a gun, you already have an advantage. to put out a trap and a bait to try to kill the grizzly bear
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that's only about going against an obama regulation. it's not about saving anyone the job. >> a man that knows bear hunting. cal perry will have a full report airing tomorrow "climate in crisis." reports from cal, al roker in greenland, lester holt in alaska. thanks to my panel this hour. coming up in the next hour, joy reed and joe biden's big speech on race. that's next on a washington-based edition of "joy." washington-based edition "joy." so chantix can help you quit slow turkey.rkey. along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye.
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that does it for me today. hope you have a great weekend. "a.m. joy" with joy reid starts right now. there are real world consequences to this perception of the president as being untrustworthy with intelligence, untrusting of our intelligence agencies. skeptical of the value of intelligence itself. that just makes all of our jobs that much more difficult and the country more vulnerable. >> good morning. welcome to "a.m. joy." we have a lot to get to this morning including joe biden's speech at the 16th street church in birmingham, alabama, today to commemorate the four girls killed in the 1963 church bombing. we'll bring you more on that in a few minutes, and we're also going to discuss a newly revealed allegation against supreme court justice brett kavanaugh and what the fbi did and didn't cover in its


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