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>> you were reading this not because it was fun but you were saying you wished you knew this guy. >> i called and said, please, please, can i do this? >> whatever you do these, it sounds like someone left out the good stuff or the bad stuff. and without knowing him, i miss him, too. thanks for trying to give me into it digestive trouble by giving me flour-ladened -- >> i thought you would enjoy it. >> i used to enjoy cake. >> i've seen you huddled over pecan pie. >> do your show, do your show. >> that was really excellent. >> that is about the toughest turn one has ever had to a lot of news. it's monday, september 16th. "we'll see," president trump's latest tweet as he warned the
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u.s. was locked and loaded ready to respond after the world's largest oil processing facility was attacked over the weekend. the trump administration is blaming iran for carrying it out, which iran denies. the president is holding a working visit with the crowned prince in the kingdom of bahrain. if he speaks to this issue, we'll bring it to you. the attack knocked out more than 5% of the world's supply, 5 million barrels of oil. it shut down half of saudi arabia's daily crude oil output and triggered the biggest intra day surge in oil prices since the 1991 gulf war. brent crude jumped 20% to a session high of $71.95 a barrel today. u.s. west intermediate surged to
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$63.34 a barrel. still a big gain. stocks tumbled. that happens when oil prices surge. let's look at the dow, which has been in negative territory all day. in light of recent losses on the dow, this one is not big but still over half a percent. look at the other major indices by the way, they are also down as well. yemen's houthi militants claimed responsibility for the drone strike and warned of additional attacks at any moment. however, saudi arabia said the attacks were not launched from yemen. they believe iranian weapons were used. joining knme is kristen welker. >> reporter: i just spoke with the senior official who told me the president continues to weigh his options and all options are still on the table. of course this does come after
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president trump said that the u.s. was locked and loaded and ready to respond. now, worth noting the secretary of state, mike pompeo, very clearly over the weekend tweeted that iran was behind the attacks but president trump has yet to say that definitively. so he is going to be meeting with the crown prince of bahrain. i'm told he's expected to address what happened in saudi arabia during that oval office meeting. the question is will he answer that question definitively? will he provide any type of evidence that iran was behind the attack? let me read you what defense secretary markes per tweeted shortly. he writes "this week i spoke with muhammed bin salman.
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i just returned to the pentagon from meeting at the white house where dncht o.d. leadership and others briefed the commander in chief. the united states military is working our partners to address this unprecedented attack and defend the international rules-based order that is being undermined by iran. all of this comes against the back drop of president trump set to head to the u.n. general assembly next week where the administration had sort of dangled the possibility that he might meet with press rouhani. i've spoken to administration officials today who say no indication that any sufficient meeting is being planned at this point in time. you have to think that the chances of that type of meeting have gone done significantly in the wake of this latest escalation. we're waiting and wonder ing to
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see what prul hesident trump ha say later this afternoon. >> while the president has yet to plane whexplain what he mean "locked and loaded," he said remember when iran shot down to drone, saying knowingly that it was in their airspace fact it was nowhere close. they stuck strongly to that story knowing that it was a very big lie." joining me is nbc's tehran bureau chief ali arouzi. we don't know what evidence that the government is putting forward that it was iran. we do know that when we talk about drones, we're not talking about those little ones you buy and send up with your camera.
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this was a drone capable of taking out a major, massively defended oil facility in the world's biggest oil producer. if is not likely to be some random group of rebels who did this. >> that's right. we just received breaking news. we said earlier the saudis had been quiet about this, hadn't pointed the finger at iran. now we're hearing from the saudi foreign ministry that they say preliminary investigations are showing that the weaponry used on the iran attack were iranian weapons. that's the first major indication they're points the blame on iran. if it's proved without a doubt that iran was behind the attacks, this could put us on the war footing. most of iran's regional
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neighbors and beyond would like to see -- tehran has some powerful enemies in the neighborhood. they haven't hidden the fact they don't like iran and would like to see their demise. i think things just ratcheted up quite considerably by the saudisonsaudis and going back to your initial point, this was an extremely sophisticated attack. there are serious doubts that the houthis could have carried this out by themselves. it's very beyond the sort of equipment they have in house that they can build themselves. so the situation is becoming extraordinarily intense. hassan rouhani, who was just in a meeting with vladimir putin and president erdogan say they had the right to defend themselves. you can feel the tension
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building up as hour by hour goes. it's not looking very good, frankly. i don't think there's going to be any sort of meeting between the americans and the irani at the u.n.-ga but the chance of a conflict has increased. >> tell me about this. we're talking about whether the president will want to meet with the president of iran, but in fact it's not that simple. the president -- president trump has said it was fake news that he said he would meet with the iranians with no conditions. it's not fake news. we have him on tape, he said it many times. but that's not the only issue about whether trump will meet with rouhani. the iranians have not shown a predisposition to meet with american presidents. >> absolutely. an iranian president has never met a u.s. president since the 1979 islamic revolution. the supreme leader in iran who calls the shots there, the buck stops with him, is staunchly
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against any such meeting. he's never allowed that to happen. he's very annoyed that president r rouhani received a call. so the chances are the president meeting with rouhani are nil. the only way they would engage in multi-lateral talks with the u.s. is the u.s. drop all sanctions against iran. there's no word that will happen. president trump has back pedalled on his word he's ready to talk to them without preconditions. i think the likely happening before this incident was very slim and now it's practically none money. >> ali arouzi for us in london. thank you as always. >> purdue pharma currently face
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more than 2,600 federal and state lawsuits. the sackler family, which owns purdue pharm a, released a stateme statement. we should point out that more than 20 states still oppose the settlement and have not signed on to that agreement. they say they're going to continue litigation in other courts and even sue members of the sackler family directly. this comes as new york officials said friday they found more than $1 billion in wire transfers by the sacklers, fueling claims that the billionaire family was trying to protect its assets offshore amid their growing legal battles. joining me is attorney general
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job shapiro, who is personally suing the sackler family. good to see you again. thank you for joining us. this is a complicated story. you and i talked about it several times. let's try and understand here that purdue pharma is a stand-alone company. this last piece of evidence from new york that they sent money into a swiss bank account, there appears to have been a lot of that going on over the year with purdue pharma. >> exactly. it was the way in which the company was working, which is why here in pennsylvania we not only sued purdue pharma but sued the sacklers personally. when they were making tens of billions off the sale of oxycontin, they weren't leaving all that money sitting at purdue pharmaceuticals. what the sackler family who own
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and operate purdue were doing was they were sucking that money out of the company and sending it to offshore accounts, they were sending it to trusts and eventually that money was just going into the pockets of the sackle sacklers. so when a company like purdue declares bankruptcy, as they did late last night, the real assets aren't sitting at the company anymore, it's sitting in the pockets of these billionaire sacklers and it's my job as attorney general of pennsylvania to reach into their greedy pockets and pull some of the money out for the people here in pennsylvania who have been harmed as a result of their actions. >> let's talk about what the legal impediment is in purdue pharma declaring bankruptcy. is there any material effect from people trying to recover money from purdue pharma or the
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sacklers? >> to be clear, there's no formal settlement yet. there may be or may not be. there are 20-plus states who have agreed to it and more states who have agreed not to accept those terms. we'll see what happens. what i think purdue is trying to do is run away from their responsibility for the opioid crisis which here in pennsylvania is claiming the lives of 12 pennsylvanians every day and 200 people each day across the country. they're trying to run away from that responsibility. and i think they're also trying to shield themselves from litigation. what we've done here in pennsylvania is sue them in our state courts, not just the company, but the sacklers personally. when you think about this bankruptcy, what they'll try to do course is say any litigation pending against purdue needs to be stayed or you need to hold off on that while you go through the bankruptcy process. but last i checked, the sacklers didn't personally declare
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bankruptcy. so our lawsuit is going to continue full steam ahead gangs the sacklersacklers, the people engaged in a campaign to lie about the addictive nature of their product and suppress actual medical information that showed it was addictive, they're the people who are going to pay, they're the people who are going to be accountable, ali, and to be clear, it's not just making sure that we take some of their ill-gotten gains and use it here for treatment in pennsylvania, it's also about real transparency, it's also about these families i've met along the way who are suffering because a loved one died or a loved one is battling addiction. it's about making sure there's transparency for them and show that the sacklers and purdue committed wrong and to make sure that's part of the ultimate equation here. >> josh shapiro, good to hear from you as always, attorney general of pennsylvania. >> you are watching msnbc.
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we have some breaking news from new york. "the new york times" reports the manhattan district attorney's office has -- the "times" reports the subpoena was issued last month, soon after the office opened a criminal investigation into the role the president and his business
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played in hush money payments made in the run-up to the 2016 election. both the president and his company reimbursed his former personal attorney, michael cohen for money paid to buy the silence of stormy daniels. the president denied the affair. danny, what do you have make of this? >> if you remember back almost a year or more ago, michael cohen came into court, stood up in court and pleaded guilty to a crime and essentially on the record implicated then candidate, now president trump as the person who essentially directed him to break the law to which he was admitting to right there in court. for whatever reason, the federal government has concluded its investigation with michael cohen and these payments is over, but the manhattan d.a.'s office think it's not over, in
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subpoenaing documents to make out a case for filing false business records. in new york it is a state crime to file false business records if you do so with an intent to hide a crime. so the manhattan d.a. is picking up where the federal government left off where it would not investigate criminal activity. when michael cohen stood up and implicated the president, that was powerful evidence, at least an allegation against donald trump. i'm not surprised be there echos being heeard whether in the federal system or state system. >> why would the southern district of new york not have pursued that or the department of justice not have pursued that? >> that's probably the subject of closed door meetings in the u.s. attorney's office but one
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reason could be there is a standing rule that the federal government cannot indict a sitting president. as did president mueller deciding that no investigation could be had of the president, maybe they concluded we're not going to go any further here. but the manhattan d.a.'s office can investigate if they believe a crime was committed. and if a crime was committed, they're going to need to prove additional elements but at least so far they believe they have enough for a subpoena, even though a subpoena can be imposed in court but the person subpoena but they believe they have enough to investigate the filing of a false business record. you need the additional step of concealment or some other crime. >> danny, thank you. >> up next, it's long been said that breakfast is the most important meal of the day and nowadays that has just as much to do with the environment as it
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. all right, all this week nbc news and msnbc are taking a look at our series climate in crisis. an international group of scientists issued this stark warning -- we cannot avoid the worst impact of climate change without making changes to how we raise food, grow forests. agriculture, forestry and other use of land account for an estimated 23% of total human generated greenhouse emissions. a significant part come from live stock raised to feed our heavily meat-based diet. the animals create methane by
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belching and other actions while they digest food and it's 37% of human-caused methane emissions. 65% of human-caused nitrous oxi oxide emissions. it's also the leading cause of deforestation. 80% of the global deforestation is done to clear land for crops and live stock, removing the trees that could help absorb the carbon we spew into the atmosphere. that's exactly what you've been seeing in the brazilian amazon. a lot of those fires are thought to have been caused by clearing land for grazing. globally humans use nearly 60% of all the land capable of growing crops to grow food for livestock. while sharply reducing the number of live stock could cut carbon emissions by billions of
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tons, doing so would require huge changes to the way we eat. in his new book, it argued that saving the planet will require a huge sacrifice that will change what we eat and don't eat. >> let's talk about this. . we have to think about climate chang a change and how we fight it in terms of net cost to us, right? there are things that feel like sacrifices but if you look at the alternative, if we don't change certain behaviors, the world will flood, burn and be destroyed. when you talk about sacrifices to the way we eat, are you talking about individual choices or governmental level institutional changes to the way we eat?
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>> it will have to be both but it's hard to imagine any governmental regulation that will change the meat industry. acting on one's values can feel really good, can feel inspired. >> i'm with you. i agree we probably shouldn't use the word sacrifice in this context because if you don't act on your values, you don't feel good and the consequence to be the wrecking of the earth. >> in world war ii, the home front efforts that regular americans made regardless of their political leanings or socioeconomic backgrounds, driving at 49 miles per hour and a chat that fdr gave at the time, he said not all of us have the privilege of fighting on the other side of the world against
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the enemy but we can all work at the home front. and when we look back, sacrifice is not going to be the word we're use. >> it's a contribution. >> we're going to say it was a privilege to participate in saving the planet. >> if one decides we're going to change where we eat, where does that start? do i change the way that i eat? do we become vegans. we're looking at the carbon footprint of various foods and a serving of beef has a carbon footprint of 6.61 pounds. cheese is lower than that, pork is lower than cheese, poultry is lower than pork, eggs, milk, rice, legumes and carrots and potatoes. if i eat rice, legumes, carrots and potatoes, i'm having a fairly significant impact on the carbon footprint.
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>> and a bad day. >> what does success lock like? >> what it doesn't look like is martyrdom. if i care about the planet, i have to become a vegan tomorrow. it's not true. it's not in keeping with the science. science said certain people living in mal nourished parts of the planet could do well by eating more meat. but it's useful, i don't know if you ever run ato think i'll get through the next little bit and then tlhrough the next little bit. with food we can see it as choices rather than as an identifier that people have to
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200,000 manufacturers work in car manufacturing and the broader vehicle industry supports nearly 10 million job. joining me is the vice president of the united auto workers union representing more than 400,000 active members. terry, thanks for joining us. what's the strike about? what is it that you and your members are looking for? >> well, the basic things are wages and benefits and health care and there are some unique problems of course, job security is something that has always been at the cornerstone of the uaw negotiations. so, you know, those things are where you start and we have some very unique issues where it comes to skilled trades and temporary workers that have been in the plants for some three and four years and at this point in time are not gm employees. they are still on the status of temporary. that fight is something that we
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will continue to work on, as well as wages and job security and benefits. so there are still a lot of issues out there right now. >> all right. the president has actually just spoken about this and he said he hopes it's a short strike. does what the president wants out of this, is that of any use to you? would that put the necessary pressure on general motors or do you feel you're in a conversation with general motors that could be fruitful? >> this morning we met and reconvened and every single committee is back working hard at trying to close the gaps. whether it's short or long, i have no idea. when we settle issues and when both sides are comfortable that we can both take this agreement to or membership and general motors i guess to their board, then we will close it up. whether that's now or sometime in the future, nobody knows that
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until we see those issues closing up. >> where would you say we are? obviously the fact that there's a strike means that there's been some breakdown, but strikes are hard for everybody involved. do you get some sense that this will be resolved? does there seem to be goodwill on the side of both parties? because your union had made a comment that the offer from general motors came in too late to avert a strike. does that mean there's an offer on the table that is close enough? >> there is no comprehensive pro proposal on the table to set this will strike. there is not one today and there was not one at the deadline on saturday night. so that does not exist. but here's an example. we gave proposals to general motors are july 29th and when we went to the council meeting on sunday and unanimously voted to
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take action and take strike, there were only 2% of our proposals that had a tentative agreement. so if that's any indication we have a lot of work to do, we can all do that kind of math. >> there's a probe of corruption inside your union that has resulted in nine people being charged, an investigation into your union president. how does that work into this? >> it doesn't at all. we have remained focused. we have an entire staff here and an bargaining committee and those things on the outside, whether in the media or in the courts, they are outside. we are focused on bringing home a fair contract on behalf of our members and their families because there's a lot of people depending on us. you know, the communities involved and impacted here, this is a big deal. so those things will take care of themselves on the outside, but finally, that is not
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interfered with our negotiations whatsoever. we remain focused to get a tentative agreement general motors. >> thank you, terry dittes, vice president of the united auto workers union. coming up, we're looking at challenges that educators face teaching the constitution in our divided climate. plus brian williams' new interview with edward snowden. hear what he said our personal devices are collecting on all of us and why it's so dangerous. you're watching msnbc. dangerous you're watching msnbc. chantix is proven to help you quit. with chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, you'll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. when you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. stop chantix and get help right away if you have changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, depressed mood, suicidal thoughts or actions, seizures,
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breaking news from the white house, moments ago the president said it, quote, certainly would look like iran was behind the major attack on the largest oil processing facility in saudi arabia. back with me now is nnbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. the right after we spoke, we heard from the president who they seem to be coordinating the response on this. >> reporter: that's why this so significant, ali. over the weekend you had secretary of state mike pompeo pointing the finger at iran saying that it appeared as though iran was behind the
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attack, but this is really the first time that we're hearing this from president trump. so just to reiterate, the major headline here president trump saying, quote, it's looking that way, when asked if iran was behind the attack. then he went on to say we'll let you know definitively. that's being checked out right now. clearly the confirmation process still ongoing. i anticipate part of what the administration would like to do is provide proof iran is behind the attack. the president was asked if military action was on the table. the president saying the united states is more prepared for a conflict than any other time in history but he added with all that being said, we'd certainly like to avoid it, coming on the heels earlier of the president tweeting that the u.s. is locked and loaded and ready to deal with a response to the saudi arabia attack. he's sort of tamping down he is language, if you will.
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we've seen this tactic from the president before, though, ali. a couple of other headlines came out of this. the president saying the secretary of state would travel to meet with top officials and said he'll address this even further before he departs for that campaign event in new mexico a little bit later on today. i anticipate this is not the last that we've heard from the president on this matter today. remember, he's making all of these decisions about what if any response there might be in the absence of his hawkish national security adviser john bolton, who was ousted last week. will his response be more tempered? is the advice he's getting more tempered? that all remains to be seen. >> kristen welker for us at the white house. the constitution was ratified on september 17, 1787. tomorrow is constitution day, a day when all public school teachers must incorporate lessons about the constitution
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and civics. however, as the political climate becomes more and more ated, it's become more and more difficult to teach students the basics of how our government works. a survey finds that 22% of americans could not name the three branches of government. and the center for american progress says only nine states in the district of columbia have a year-long mandatory civics class for high school students. a new initiative is being launched with online platforms on the constitution. it also has commentary by top scholars. we rely on you and the
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constitution center in particular to help us navigate some of the issues we've been talking about in the news for the last couple of years, but it is a challenge to discuss civics and want people to be more engaged with the constitution and defacto in the history of this country in a world where we always seems to put a political lens on everything. >> it really is, ali. you've done such a good job as an antidote to that. and i'm so excited about this new online tool, the interactive constitution at brings together the top liberal and conservative scholars to write about every clause of the constitution sdescribing what they agree and disagree about. this is the answer to the civics crisis in america discussing it in constitutional terms and allowing both sides to have a say. we can bring together students
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across america for clfgss about the constitution moderated by wujs are master taefers. >> for a half hour or an hour you are can ask questions like how does the first amendment p amendment can the government follow you 24/7 using your cell phone data. and they're not going to ask whether that's a good idea as a policy matter but whether the constitution allows for forbids it. and that's the crucial test for bringing down the partisan heat. not asking what the government should do but what the constitution allows or forbids it to do. that's the sophisticated important thing. >> that's a sophisticated approach to a conversation. in january of this year representative hastings and rob woodall of georgia introduced a house bill called the civic learning act 2019. nothing's been done with that. but it's actually meant to fund civics education and constitutional education.
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how do you equip teachers across this country as they are meant to do tomorrow to do exactly what you just said, discuss what the constitution allows or doesn't allow or provides for or doesn't provide for without getting into the conversation that is so natural for us about what's wrong and what's right, what should be and what shouldn't be? >> that's the crucial challenge. the way we've dealt with it is to put in one place on this interactive constitution platform all the materials that teachers and students and learners of all ages need to teach themselves about the constitution. so we start with the essays by liberal and conservative scholars. then we have educational videos. then we have our "we the people" podcast and blogs in the news. then lessons plans for high school and middle school students. this is a really exciting thing the college board, as you mentioned, is encouraging all three to 5 million advanced placement students to learn about the first amendment before
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they graduate from our materials. so listeners go to check out this amazing resource. pick a provision you don't know about and educate yourself about the constitution on constitution day. happy day before constitution day. thank you for joining us for it. >> i hope, if we've learned nothing else, that is we au all at least understand our constitution. i remember when i became an american citizen, you couldn't take your phone into the classroom. it's a great experience, everybody should go through it. jeffrey rosen is the president and the ceo of the national constitution center. he's a professor at the george washington university law school. whistleblower edward snow den is telling his own detail in story in his new memoir "permanent record." he spoke with msnbc's brian williams. he had this warning about data being collected by everyday devices. >> our devices are casting all of these records that we do not see being created.
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that in aggregate seem very innocent. you are at starbucks at this time, you went to the hospital afterwards. you spent a long time at the hospital after you left the hospital you made a phone call. you made a phone call to your mother. you talked to her until the middle of the night. the hospital was an oncology clinic. even if you can't see the content of these communications, the activity records, what the government calls metadata which they argue they do not need a warrant to collect. tells the whole story. these activity records are being created and shared and collected and intercepted constantly by companies and governments. and ultimately it means as they sell these, as they trade these, as they make their businesses on the backs of these records, what
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they are not selling is information. they are selling us. they are selling our future. they are selling our past. they are selling our history, our identity. and ultimately they are stealing our power and making our stories work for them. >> a lot of people who disagree with edward snowden generally, but this is going to be an important interview to watch. you can watch the whole interview on the 11th hour with brian williams tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. up next israelis head to the polls tomorrow in an election that could hand prime minister benjamin netanyahu a fifth term and/or his decades-long political reign. we are live in tel aviv after the break. again ordered me to take aspirin, and i do. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. listen to the doctor. take it seriously.
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israelis head to the polls tomorrow for the second election in six months. nbc news chief correspondent ben neely is live with us. to annex parts of the west bank might help him to shore up his right wing vote? >> reporter: ali, frowned upon by russia as well. remember, he went to visit vladimir putin there and another pre-election attempt to bolster his edge, and russia condemned that plan to annex parts of the west bank. no. i think there's no clear evidence that that pledge is reallys election. a lot of voters see it for what it probably is, which is a
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pre-election ploy. but, look, he needs every vote he can get. remember, in april what separated him from his main opposition leader who he's fighting, benny gantz, was 15,000 votes. that's all. they got 35 seats each. netanyahu fell short of a majority by one seat. so every vote counts. he is trying his best. but i was at a rally last night. he didn't turn up. one close adviser told me that he is weakened. and he is looking almost scared. he's not the benjamin netanyahu of the past. but of course you can never rule this man out. this is a guy who's within in power for ten years. the election is a referendum on him. one voter told me in april i'm not looking for a rabbi, i am voting for a leader. so, you know, the corruption case, cases against him that an attorney general will rule on in
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two weeks' time. you know, they are an issue. but netanyahu is using that. he's saying everyone's against me, but vote for me. benny gantz, he's coming across as mr. clean. he is the main alternative. it's a very, very tight race indeed, ali. >> we are watching closely with you. nbc news chief correspondent bill naely. that wraps up the hour for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. and 3:00 p.m. eastern. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace begins now. ♪ hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in washington, d.c. where the white house is facing one of the diceyest foreign policy crises of its tumultuous tenure. that's according to former national security official who describes a region aflame with age-old tensions prone to deception and full of factions and players known to be skilled at three-dimensional chess.
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