tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC September 19, 2019 5:00pm-6:00pm PDT
that first debate, toppling him and taking over the lead in that fight for the democratic nomination. this is her fight, her bet and her plan and we heard this morning saying to a fellow democratic senator yesterday actually, i'm moving to iowa. and there she is moving after. this race is still wide open. watch iowa. it's only a few months away. and that's "hardball" for now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on a special edition of "all in." >> what you are telling me is that this is tough. >> yes. >> acknowledge that. >> 2020 candidates converge on the nation's capitol to take action on climate crisis. >> we need an intervention and we need it now. >> we should stop lying to the next generation. plus our report on how the fossil fuel industry knew what they were doing to the planet and spent decades misleading the world. >> scientific evidence remains
inconclusive as to whether human activities affect the global pl climate. and i interview the man who spent years fighting for global action. >> people are changing swiftly. >> a special edition of "all in climate crisis" starts right now. good evening from washington, d.c. i'm chris hayes. we are live here at msnbc's climate change presidential forum from the campus of georgetown university outside the mccourt school of public policy. we've been speaking to 2020 candidates all day about the single biggest threat facing this country and this world. and right now i think it's fair to say we're in an inflection point. tomorrow people from all around the world will participate in the global climate strike to protest the use of fossil fuels, a movement that's grown
astonishingly rapid. and after that the climate summit begins next week and the politics of the nation have never been more focused on this issue in its history. this new political focus is partly being driven by just what we're seeing in front of our eyes. here's an example. this is an extreme weather event just today around houston. that's today that just snuck up on everyone. images of flooded neighborhoods, cars driving on express ways under water. insane. meanwhile the president of the united states is not just inactive on climate change, not just the different on climate change, he's working every possible angle to make it worse. just yesterday president trump barred the state of california from being able to set its own stricter fuel efficiency standards. the stakes have never been higher. what you're seeing happen in realtime is this issue take on a status and a life that is now making it a priority for all the democrats running for president.
>> we need a durable solution. we need a solution that will endure, and if we accept the political system, the one that mcconnell has devised and the one that trump has inherited will you either get nothing done or something done and two years later the other side rips it out, you can't solve climate change. climate change is a matter for a generation and we should stop lying to the next generation about what's required here. >> if you are the president of the united states will you lead by example and order an electric presidential vehicle? >> yes, i will. i i'll go even better, the entire white house motor pool will be electric. there's a proverb that says the
best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago or the best time is now. >> i want to tell the american people it's about as you fear. and we are going to get through this because we are american. and we are going to have a season of repair, and we are going to mobilize. and it's not during world war ii. it wasn't democrats versus republicans, left versus right, we are all americas and we are going to mobilize. >> what is your other conception of what executive powers are available to you if in fact mitch mcconnell says john delaney's bipartisanship is not working for him. >> so i would use every single executive authority i could possibly muster including considering a national emergency to get this done. you asked earlier how important i think this is. that's how important i think it is. i don't think you do that -- there are certain things you do by executive action your first
day, paris, methane, california, 200 other things. most of them, by the way, are reversing things that trump overturned. >> right. >> i don't think you go right to national emergency because if you do that you're done with the congress. >> anybody who says they know what the economy is going to be in ten years they're lying because it's changing too quickly. but i would just say it's got to be something over time and we've got to build a green economy to where it pays which i talk a lot about doubling union membership in the united states. i think these jobs have got to be good, solid, union middle class jobs. because they're not going to go to a good solid job to a job that doesn't pay. >> this is very connected to human beings and suffering and, you know, shaking up their lives and destroying the quality of life in the homeland of a lot of people. so with my immigration plan a
few months ago in april i actually said we should adopt a new category of refugee, a climate refugee, and we mirror that in our climate action plan because i believe the united states does have a role to play in make sure we do our part in addition to combating the climate crisis, reversing the effects of climate change, taking people in who have been hurt. >> we spoke to seven candidates to and going to hear from another five tomorrow including mayor pete buttigieg and cory booker. the only democratic candidate polling in the top three who took us up on our offer was sanders. today was a great opportunity to hear more from a leading democratic contender. describe to me when and how you came to realize that just the
acuity, the seriousness, the urgency of this problem. >> sometimes as human beings we have a hard time imagining the future. we kind of look at next year and the year after that as kind of like it was last year. but if the scientists are right and i bleechb that they are, next year is not going to be like last year. in five years from now is not going to be like five years before. we are facing an unprecedented global crisis. it disturbs me very, very much that we have a president who believes that climate change is a hoax. and what disturbs me about it is that attitude on his part, on the part of the fossil fuel industry, not only threatens the well-being of our country, it threatens the well-being of the entire world. unlike trump, i do believe in
science. and what i believe is if we do not act in an incredibly aggressive way in moving away from fusiossil fuels then energ and efficiency and sustainable energy and what makes this issue even harder and complicated it's not just an american issue, it is a global issue. we've got to lead the world. but if we do not do that, the planet that you will be inheriting and your kids and your grandchildren will be inheriting will be increasingly uninhabitable and unhealthy. and we have a moral responsibility to make sure that that does not happen. and as president this will be a major priority for me. these type of extreme weather disturbances hitting us more and more frequently with greater intensity. think about people all over the world driven from their homes because they can't grow crops
anymore, they can't find drinking water. they're going to go elsewhere. and with the cia and what the department of defense tells us is this creates a major international national security issue when large numbers of people are migrating and fighting for land. so here is the point. it seems to me you can approach this problem in one of three ways. you can do what trump does, which is basically irresponsible and pathetic and that is to -- and that's -- i'm being kind to him. or, chris, you can do what some of my colleagues do and say, look, climate change is real but let's not overdo it, we have a limited amount of money to spend here, and we've got to be modest, realistic about it, and
a lot of folks are saying that. maybe, you know, i don't know what to tell you, i happen to believe in what the scientists are telling us, and that means if we're going to save the planet, we have to be extremely bold. at the end of the day you have executives in the fossil fuel industry and the oil companies, coal companies, gas companies. their scientists know exactly what they're doing. in fact, as you know, there's strong evidence that exxonmobil, their scientists were telling them for decades the oil they're producing is destroying the planet. and the product that they are producing, oh, happens to be destroying the planet, you got that? you got to deal with that. and we not only are going to have to tell them they cannot destroy the planet for their short-term profits, politically
we're going to have to stand up to them. and essentially what my campaign is about whether it's the fossil fuel industry or the health care industry which made $100 billion in profits last year or the private industry which makes money by throwing americans into jail, we have got to stand up to the greed and corruption. i know those are strong words. make some of you uncomfortable. i don't know how much that teach about that here in georgetown. what we have got to do and as president of the united states, this is what i would do. i would make an appeal to the rest of the world and say you know what we are now spending as a planet over a trillion and a half-dollars a year -- a year on weapons of destruction designed to kill each other. and maybe -- maybe the horror of what climate change could do to
countries all over the world might just on the strong american leadership, bring these countries together in a way that says you know what instead of spending a trillion and a half on weapons of destruction, why don't we pool our resources and fight our common enemy which is climate change. >> there's a real devils in the detail situation where you have say a $15 billion climate resiliency fund. there's a crash program to increase storage. all of these are enormous pools of money, and again i think you could argue they're in scale to the problem. but you're talking about administering this at a level that hasn't been done since world war ii. it would be an enormous change to the capacity of the government. >> what you are telling me is that this is tough. i acknowledge that, okay? but what is the aurlternative?
all right, i'm told that it is expensive and i'm told by chris correctly so this is administratively very, very difficult. he's right. but you tell me what the alternative is if we do not act boldly aggressively. all right, not only are we fighting for your kids and your grandchildren to be living in a planet that is healthy and habitable, all right, but i should also tell you that this plan, chris, in the middle of that transition, creates up to 20 million good paying jobs. we could retrofit billions to cut the utilization of energy by 50% or more. it takes a lot of workers to do that. if we are going to be aggressive in moving to that sustainable energy, wind and solar, i want those panels and other technologies to be done here in
the united states of america. massive amounts of work that have to be done. if we're talking about the electricification of our transportation system, we are already behind europe and japan in that regard. he has used executive orders. i work with alexandria cortez ocasio in introducing legislation that would declier kpliemt change. well, i think it is a national emergency and i would use all the executive powers that we
have. >> there's a mention in the plan when you talk about sort of holding fossil fuel companies accountable. we know there are both private plaintiffs and states that are suing in a model that's not dissimilar from the tobacco lawsuits which of course create billions of dollars in funds in public health. would you use the department of justice for litigation in creatation mitigation of fossil fuel companies? >> what do you do to people whoo very bold faced way lie to the american people, how do you hold them accountable? how do you hold fossil fuel executives who knew that they were destroying the planet but kept on doing it? we will hold them accountable. what do you do if executives knew that the product they were producing was destroying the planet and they continue to do it? do you think that that might be subject to criminal charges?
>> i don't know. i'm not running for president. >> i think it's something we should look at. the guys who work on oil rigs, people who work in coal mines, people who work in the fossil fuel industry they are not my enemy, they are my friends. and we're not going to do what others have done and turn our backs on those people. if you're familiar with the proposal i mentioned is we have allocated tens of billions of dollars from what we call a just transition. so what we're saying to those workers is, look, we hold you responsible for causing climate change, all right, but we've got to move away from fossil fuel. and what we build into our proposal is five years, five years of full pay, of health care, of job training, of education. >> right now obviously refugee -- the amount of refugees we take in is at historic lows in terms of recent
history and there's a lot of things that can be done in executive in terms of asylum categories. would you favor expanding the asylum categories which are enumerated to include a category specifically pushed out by climate? >> i think that's something we should look at and there's people all over the world and it means that the crises in these country right now so the people can possibly stay there and we have to welcome people all over the world. and we're talking about god knows how many millions and millions of people who are going to be dispossessed as a result of climate change. >> much more tonight on this special edition of "all in." i'm talk to of these georgetown students who impressed them today and who didn't.
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companies. some making the argument that was so successful in suits against the tobacco industry. basically the company knew the threats imposed by products but misled the public and there was no cause for alarm. >> i don't believe that nicotine in our products are adidictive. >> i believe that nicotine is not addictive. >> i believe that nicotine is not addictive. >> four years after tobacco executives went before congress and claimed absurdly that their products were not addictive the nation's largest tobacco companies agreed to pay hundreds of billions of dollars to help pay for the damage their products had caused. now a similar reckoning may be coming for the nation's fossil fuel companies. believe it or not, the biggest oil company in the world was once a leader in climate research. in the 1970s and 1980s exxon had
top scientists studying the possible effects of climate change. it even modeled its research division on bell labs. >> the research into climate change was not something in a remote corner of exxon. it went all the way up to exxon's top management. >> the company was aware of the scope of the problem it faced. one internal 1979 memo warned that present trends of fossil fuel combustion with a coal emphasis will lead to climate change in the next 72 years and build up in the atmosphere saworldwide problem. but then something shifted in the late 1980s when the public began taking climate change more seriously. >> some experts are saying now that the whole world is heating up because of a global greenhouse effect. >> the problems unaddressed have the potential for turning the world into a form of chaos not greatly different from that
produced by global war. >> that's when exxon's public posture changed. >> they started to realize the u.n. and others were going to come up with maybe a public policy that would affect their bottom line. this wasn't a remote issue anymore. it was something they needed to address now, and they chose to address it by playing up the uncertainty and using a narrative that went counter to science. >> exxon started spending tens of millions of dollars to manufacture doubt about climate change. the company financing advertisements designed to look like editorials and fringe research, all meant to question the growing scientific consensus. >> the scientific evidence remains inconclusive as to whether human activities affect the global climate. many scientists agree there's ample time to better understand climate systems and consider policy options. so there's simply no reason to
take drastic action now. >> thanks in no small part to exxon's efforts, u.s. lawmakers did not take serious action to fight climate change. and by the year 2010 nearly half of americans believed the threat of global warming was exaggerated. now a string of lawsuits is seeking to hold exxon and other companies responsible. last year crab fisherman on the west coast sued seeking compensation for damage to crab populations caused by warming oceans. more than a dozen cities and counties have filed lawsuits seeking billions to offset the costs of mitigating climate change. and three states launched investigations into exxon and other oil companies with new york and rhode island filing suit last year. as the court battles have ramped up a warming world has been left to wonder what might have been. >> what if exxon had continued down the path of accepting climate change, being a good faith actor in all this, working
with the government? where would be right now if the biggest oil company in the world, a leader in the industry had done that? and so that's the question, right? where would we be right now? >> up next an interview with a man who's been sounding the alarm for decades, former vice president al gore, the evolution of the climate discussion, what's change asked the crucial work to be done now. >> individuals can't do it on their own. that's not meaningless, but as important as it might be to change the light bulb it's way more important to change the policies and the laws. more importa tnto change the policies and the laws. family is all together and we switched to geico; saved money on our boat insurance. how could it get any better than this? dad, i just caught a goldfish! there's no goldfish in this lake. whoa! it's pure gold. we're gonna be rich... we're gonna be rich!
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the arctic is experiencing faster melt. if this were to go sea level worldwide would go up, this is what would happen in florida. around shanghai, home to around 40 million people, here's manhattan, the world trade center memorial would be under water. think of the ippact a couple hundred thoup refugees and then imagine 100 million. >> it's been 13 years since the groundbreaking film called the inconvenient truth starred former vice president of the united states al gore who in the years since has not stopped fighting for action on climate change. i sat down for an exclusive interview this week with al gore in his office in tennessee. >> one thing i focus on is
there's this gap growing. i mean, the public opinion is moving quite swiftly right now as just an empirical matter you're getting 70%, 80% numbers. >> 60% of republicans. >> it's moving up the priority list of democratic voters, right? so not only do you see more and more. >> one of the other network polls in the summer said it was the number one issue among registered democrats. >> so that's happening at the sort of the respect of massive opinion. and you're also seeing all this organizing happening. but yet the u.s. administration and a president who's it's not just he's doing nothing, he's almost in a sociopathic way seemingly bent on making the problem worse in every possible way. >> yeah, it's -- it has a strange aspect to it because he will say, for example, i want crystal clean water even as he's
stripping the protections for clean water. and there's just like an overload of outrage. i mean i -- when a new one comes along every few hours now i have to move the existing out rage to make room for the new. in a way you have to wonder if that's not a strategy actually. >> the democratic primary has been very focused on climate. what do you think of the green new deal as a kind of organizing concept, set of principles for the debate that has been taking place within the democratic primary? >> i like it a lot, and i'm very mindful of the persistence sniping at it, and the criticism at it. i like how it links environmental justice and the fight against inequality and emphasizes the jobs that really and truly there, i mean solar
installer is the fastest growing job in the u.s. for the last five years. has grown six times faster than average job growth. second fastest growing job is wind turbine technician. we could retrofit buildings in every community. it also remind me, i'm a good deal older than you, but reminds me of something called the nuclear freeze. in the early '80s when ronald reagan discussed restarting the arms race people began to get really worried and there was an emergent grass roots movement called the nuclear freeze. and just as it has been the case with the green new deal the expert community started sniping at it, this doesn't make sense, but it was simple and clear, easy to grasp. and overwhelming majorities of the american people say, yeah,
i'm for a nuclear freeze. and it played a role, a nontrivial role in helping to change the policy context in which ronald reagan changed and became a devotee of nuclear arms controlled. and i'm kind of thinking about the green new deal in a similar way. there wasn't fox news back then and you have this persistent drum beat, but i do think that -- >> you obviously have a very long career in public life. and when you were a senator and presidential candidate and even when you joined the ticket as vice president you were a member of the dlc, you were viewed as kind of a centrist part of the
party, that democratic party, that someone in the party felt moved too far to the left, there was an ideological rot, a sort of more friendly approach towards markets. i'm curious how you think of yourself ideologically and thinking as you have for 30 years about the climate issue has changed the way you think more broadly ideologically about the role of the state and the role of markets. >> very thoughtful question. but before i get to the part about how my involvement with climate has affected this, i'll tell you this. even though along with bill clinton i was identified with the dlc democratic leadership counsel and the impulse to say, hey, look, if democrats are going to win elections, we're really going to have to emphasize a pragmatic approach here. and as vice president i ran the reinventing government project that cut waste and regulations that were unnecessary, but in
the process made government work better for the people. i was -- i was troubled that the net result of many trends -- i thought our policies were very good. but the rise of economic inequality led me to frame my campaign for a president in the year 2000 as a champion of the people, not the powerful. and i was harshly criticized by my former companions in the dlc for going a little bit more to the left of center. but i really genuinely thought that it was time to take a count of the rise in inequality and the rise in a sense of power less and less on the part of so many working people. now, to the point of your question, there's no doubt that
when you get deeply immersed iptrying to help solve the climate crisis you do come to understand the absolute necessity of a strong national government role in changing policies because individuals can't do it on their own. that's not meaningless, but as important as it might be to change the light bulbs, it's way more important to change the policies and the laws. and that requires a strong policy leadership role in washington, d.c. especially from the president but also in the congress. >> still ahead, much more of my exclusive interview with al gore including what he thinks about some of the people we just heard from in the forum today. is there someone in the democratic field that you feel best gets this problem, centers this problem but you're the most
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me what we need to do to avoid the catastrophic consequence of climate change. you've been very focused in the work you've done on not letting people succumb to the gloom and doom and options of alternative energy. and it's also the case oil emissions have doubled in the last 30 years. there's a part of critique that says it's all broken, it's all going in the wrong way, we're all deluding oursives. something truly disruptive and radical has to happen. >> i believe that. but how do you get from here to there? there's no doubt, first of all, that when the future of humanity is at risk, despair is simply another form of denial. it's also true that anyone offering a poly annish version of false hope is also engaging
in an exotic form of denial. the truth is this, we have suffered losses some of which regrettably are unrecoverable. there are more losses yet to come that are now inevitable no matter what we do. that's the truth of our situation. but we still retain the ability according to virtually every scientist and expert in this field that i know, to avoid the truly catastrophic civilization ending consequences that would occur were we not to act. so being honest with ourselves about the damage that has been done has to be accompanied by an absolute character based determination to say hell yes we're going to do our best and we're going to get started as quickly as we can and do it as well as we can. and i don't know any other way to do it.
i also believe that in the famous phrase of rudy dornbush, the late economist at m.i.t., things take longer to happen than you think they will and then they happen faster than you thought they would. and i'll give you a couple of statistics, just five years ago, one year before the paris agreement electricity from solar and wind was the cheapest source in only 1% of the world. today five years later it's the cheapest source of electricity in two thirds of the world. in another five years that will be true virtually ever where. in another ten years it is projected to be cheaper than electricity from existing but appreciated fossil fuel plants some of which are already being shutdown with useal life remaining because it's just cheaper to get electricity from
the sun and wind coupled with battery storage which is also coming down in price. now, it's definitely true that the optimism about that is based on new installations but it's now beginning to shift over to the closing of existing fossil fuel plants. you can look at electric transportation, same story with electric vehicles. 16 countries have enacted policies requiring the legal phase-out, making it illegal after a certain date to sell gasoline or diesel engines requiring electric vehicles. within five years half the buses in the world are going to be electric. now, is it happening fast enough? no. and this is not to speak to manufacturing and regenerative agriculture and sustainable forestry and all the things that have to be done. but also we have a whole system for measuring what's valuable to
us that doesn't just exclude the polluting consequences of carbon dioxide but excludes the value of everything that's not monetized and financized and we have to change that system as well. >> final question for you, is there someone in the democratic field that you feel best gets this problem, centers this problem, that you're the most confident? i'm not asking for an endorsement. >> it sounded like that. if you're just asking me to pick one and avoid the word endorsement if i wish. >> i'm asking -- look, i think if you take the problem seriously, as seriously as certainly you do and i think increasingly younger people do, that the next president of the united states, you know, if it's not this one, is basically going to have to wake up every morning with the first 'ing they think
about. is there someone in the field or are there multiple people in the field that you feel confident that's the case about? >> forgive me for really and truly avoiding singling out one candidate. i'm trying to not do that for a lot of reasons. but i'm tell you this, i am really impressed that virtually all the candidates in this field have made the climate crisis a top priority, some of them the top priority. so many of them have presented a labyrin labyrinth plans in sufficient detail that it would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. and i think that it's reshaping the political dialogue between the two parties. we talk about polling earlier, you know, 67%, more than two-thirds of mulineal
republican voters say hey this has got to change on climate. most of the chapter has petitioned to change its climate policy and warned it they're going to lose young voters if they do not. we're seeing a real seat change here and the affermism from rudy dornbush i mentioned earlier is now playing out in the political world as well. it took a long time without much change, but now i think things are changing. a kind of a dam is breaking and people are changing swiftly. >> vice president, it's a great pleasure. thanks a lot. >> absolutely. >> our climate special continues live from georgetown. next some of these students here who were at the 2020 forum today. their reaction to candidates right after this. today. their reaction to candidates right after this they're america's biopharmaceutical researchers. pursuing life-changing cures
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hi, senator. my name is quinn evan. i'm a student at georgetown studying history. >> congratulations. >> my question is why did you vote for the ski stone pipeline? >> fossil fuel jobs are replaced by environmentally sustainable jobs, as president, how do you plan to make sure that these workers are trained to compete in a new greener industry? >> recently, the international organization for migration has projected that between 25 million and 1.5 billion people
will have to leave their homes by 2050 due to climate change. people from the poorest and smallest nations will likely be forced to migrate first. as the united states is leading the world in carbon emissions, what role do you believe the united states must play in regards to these inevitable climate migrants? >> great question. >> that is a great question. >> minority and low-income neighborhoods and communities in transition are disproportionately targeted by industries that follow the path of least resistance when deciding where to locate hazardous waste sites and other polluting facilities. how will you regulate these corporate actions in order to fight environmental, racial and socioeconomic injustice? >> what measures would you take not only to reduce co2 emissions, but day-to-day, outdoor and indoor workers from these heat illnesses? >> we are back here an georgetown university. i'm joined bay bunch of students. we had a forum this morning. we had a whole bunch of candidates talking.
we got to talk to them for 30 minutes, my colleague ali velshi and i. the students asked incredible students. you were at the forum? >> yes. >> anyone particularly strong to you today, anyone you sort of felt stootd out? >> i have to say bernie sanders. it's clear everyone is passionate about climate change, thank you, but it has to be bernie sanders who is the most passionate out of all. i still keep asking who has the actual policy changes that are realistic, that will bring the change even if it's radical, it has to be realistic. >> do you worry about, i mean, how much do you think about the political constraints which i think a lot of people get obsessed with including myself, understandably, but how much do you think about when you're hearing whether it's bernie sanders or others do you think, like, oh, well, is mitch mcconnell going to go for that, we'll be able to get the votes for that? >> i actually do think about it. we have to be realistic about it. we want to bring the climate changes as soon as possible and u.s. being a global superpower,
it's u.s. that's going to make the changes. >> yes. >> but the problem is, bipartisan politics is difficult. >> yeah. >> and we have to be realistic about which policies will pass. >> you were also at the forum today? >> i was. >> was there a policy or an answer that was given today that stuck out to you particularly? >> i would say more of, like, bernie sanders was very much hard on climate change which i think is good, but i believe julian castro was really stood out because he was the one that people who mentioned about environmental racism, this is affecting people of color more than anything else and i think that a lot of people tend to be republicans, tend to forget that and they leave us out of the narrative. people usually don't listen to low-income people of color so i think that emphasizing that this is affecting us, no one's going to care until it starts hitting them. >> how old are you? >> just turned 21. >> are you going to vote? >> huh?
>> are you going to vote in the primary? >> of course. >> are you an undecided voter or have a candidate you're looking at? >> i'm stuck between elizabeth warren and castro. let me see what happens with both. >> thanks a lot. how about you? you were there today? >> yep. >> ma do you think about the gap that we kept sort of coming back to between what has to be done and what our politics can do? >> i think what was said a moment ago that, you know, even if something is radical, we have to take the change that is -- even if isn't immediately seeming politically feasible, we need to take the biggest steps we can immediately to try and change this world before things fall apart. >> so -- >> major issues like the -- the major issues that come from climate change like mass migration, people having to lose their homes with just the way that our world is going to change in future generations being i being impacted in a way we can't imagine, radical is right. >> you want to see pushing big ideas, you want to see them going out past the frontiers and
what might be possible and if they have to compromise, that's all right. >> definitely. yes. >> how much do you, like, in your inner psychological life worry about climate change? seriously. it is a source of anxiety for you? >> i would say so. i mean, you think about things like down the road 25, 50 years from now when you're growing up -- you're getting older and have a family, you have kids, and you start to wonder will my kids have a planet, will my kids have the same -- we imagine that they won't have the same world that we do and it's really up to, like, our current leaders to pick up where the past has dropped off and run with the ball, right? we need to make -- take action now because of that enormous anxiety that is resting -- i can imagine a lot of our -- in our heads at this time. so >> thanks, really well done. i'm going to ask you that same question. you were at the forum today, right? >> yes, i was. >> how much do you follow this issue, how much do you think about it, how much does it occupy mental space for you? >> it completely occupies my thoughts.
i'm here at georgetown to study climate policy. i'm at the school of foreign service because the u.s. needs to be a leader and work with countries all over to address this issue. >> what did you think of the discussion today about the international dimensions? because we kept coming back to that, obviously it's an enormous part, the u.s. is about 20% of emissions at this point. were there ideas there you liked, ideas you didn't like, things that stuck out? >> i did appreciate there was an international discussion, climate change is a national security issue. we saw that especially from julian castro looking at climate refug refugees. plans are great. will this be their top priority, will they use their political capital in their first year to enact comprehensive climate change? and how will they do that if it's a divided congress? it comes down to if they can make it happen. >> do you feel -- we're pushing everyone on is it a top priority, some people said yes, some people kind of wavered. did you feel -- did anyone convince you clearly, yes, this will be the first issue, this is the first piece of legislation they move, this is the first
thing they think of when they wake up in the morning. >> senator sanders did. i want to acknowledge senator bennet gerrymandering, filibuster, and -- >> very quickly, you're wearing a pete shirt. did anyone impress you today? >> senator sanders talked about climate justice today. i think this is a generational thing. we're the students who when we're adults climate change will be hitting hardest. that's with why i'm looking forward to seeing mayor pete tomorrow and talk about winning the next era for us to have to deal with climate change in the future. >> that does a very good job of setting up my tease for tomorrow. so that -- so well done, everybody. give these folks a big round of applause. that does it for us tonight. live from the campus of georgetown university. but we're not done. we have much more tomorrow night in part two of our special on the climate crisis. we're going to have reporters that are stationed around the world covering everything from how climate change is affecting migration from guatemala to melting landscapes of greenland, rising sea levels, to the
massive flooding on the mississippi, disappearing namesakes of glacier national park, to the utterly insane situation with california's emissions standards and the president, and, of course, we'll have the highlights from day two of our 2020 candidate forum, the full forum will be streaming live on nbc news now starting at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. tha thanks to everyone who joined us from georgetown. "the rachel maddow show" begins now with breaking news. >> good evening, chris, i do have breaking news. i have to tell you, i had no idea how this whole thing was going to work today. i didn't have my head around it. >> i didn't, either. >> it's been fantastic. really, really awesome. i can't wait for tomorrow. it's amazing. >> thank you very much. i'm going to watch the breaking news right now. >> thanks, chris. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. boy, has this been an incredible day of breaking news. i just want to jump right in because we have a lot to get to. first, i'm somewhat amazed to get to report to you right now that the trump administration has complel