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we are approaching top of the hour meaning i'm out of time. up next, my colleague kendis gibson. take it away. >> enjoy the rest of your saturday. good day. i'm kendis gibson at world headquarters in new york. a lot of news this saturday. signs of cracks in trump's line of defense. sounding the alarm over the white house's handling of the impeachment inquire and syria. a strong review from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell as the syrian cease-fire hangs in the balance and new efforts rudy giuliani mailed for a visa to the ukrainian official who promised dirt against joe biden. and on the ground, bernie sanders revving um his campaign yet again. first rally since his heart
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attack and a new endorsement announc announced. we go there live. and the impeachment inquiry, day 267 a and it's starting to happen. president trump is losing support from his own party. senate mitch mcconnell is saying an impeachment trial is inevitable. an op-ed why trump's withdrawal from syria is is a great mistake. six more witnesses are set to give depositions in the inquiry. you see them there. an nbc news white house correspondent hans nichols joins me now. what is the president saying about the latest questioning of his recent moves? >> reporter: there isn't -- there hasn't been a big lash-out by the president on mitch mcconnell. he published his op-ed a little less than 4 ho24 hours ago.
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mitch mcconnell talks about it being a grave mistake. to get out of endless wars you need to be prepared to win them. clearly indictment of the trump policy without mentionen trump by name. what's more remarkable is as criticism stands even if the cease-fire holds, because what you have seen from the trump administration in the last 24, 48 hours is also an idea this cease-fire is the best possible outcome, and that was the direction they were always driving in. regardless whether or not the cease-fire holds. mcconnell's criticism is more damning and about a broader set of principles that he thinks should inform the post-9/11 foreign policy world view of his party. it's a significant departure. it's also significant, kendis, we haven't heard direct criticism from the president at mitch mcconnell just yet. >> interesting. for him to put it out there in an op-ed. after trump's acting chief of
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staff, mick mulvaney, controversy comments and a walk back regarding the quid pro quo. told at campbell david th david. >> reporter: mick mulvaney likes to get to camp david, get together, game out strategies. unless someone is in the room telling you what's going on, i'm loathe to read much into it. they do like these retreats. i don't know if they're all doing trust exercises and kum ba yah moments, can't say that. but they look at serious long-term findings as well as short term. we don't know what the subject is. just in general, at camp david, you have to be very careful. what, a mob aa ag month ago we the president was thinking of hosting the taliban. we knew virtually nothing about that. camp david is a very secure
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location t. location. >> it is secure but the trust negotiations could get dicey within the republican party at this point. busy week we mentioned top of the hour. >> reporter: yes and no. busy with some officials scheduled to attend. we haven't had confirmation about some of the depositions or testimonies, however they end up coming, in the back half of the week. that's important, because congressional investigators are looking to get directly at those individuals that are in the national security council, that are there, that were there for this phone call. remember, fiona hill, testified last week, for all the damaging information she had, she left over the summer. the white house, congressional investigators are trying to get white house officials. the split on this has been interesting, because so far you've really only had state department officials or former state department officials as well as former nsc appear before these committees. you haven't had anyone from
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energy. department of defense is not cooperating. energy's not cooperating and omb and the vice president's office aren't going to cooperate. could be a situation they end up only getting a fee from the state department. >> day 26's the impeachment inquiry but moving fast ahead. hans nickel frhols from the whi house. and u.s. officials confirm to nbc news the cease-fire is not holding. turkey claims it has paused its invasion of land held by u.s. allies in northern syria through tuesday. but today a senior u.s. official with direct knowledge of the situation says turkey is using this so-called cease-fire to advance and take territory. smoke was spotted as you can see there rising from kurdish territory earlier today. the death toll climbing. meantime thousands of refugees placed with a growing humanitarian crisis on the horizon. nbc news foreign correspondent matt bradley is on the ground in
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iraq where the u.n. says thousand us of refugees, matt, arrived since the start of this conflict. >> reporter: that's right. you know, this cease-fire you talked about. sounds like it's really quite tenuous. we were looking earlier at how, this has been going on now several days. the reaction from the syrian democratic forces, the mostly kurdish fighting force that used to be allied with the u.s., until this massive double cross in the last ten days by the white house. you know, they were saying that they were pointing out the general, musloume routinely violated and essentially imposed upon. the reaction, not to withdraw from the cease-fire. the general said the kurds are still abiding by the cease-fire
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and still hoping they'll be able to maintain this, because essentially this, again, was something negotiated by foreign powers and imposed on them. they don't have any other options. all they can do is abide siby t cease-fire. seven people have died today in the bombing around this area at the hands of turkish forces. these fatalities continue and one of the things that a lot of kurds are saying is that the turks don't really want this cease-fire at all. what they want is to kill kurds. >> so, matt what do they expect to happen next? if this is the so-called cease-fire, and yet we had several people who died today as a result of some bombings, what happens come tuesday? >> reporter: hard to know, because, of course, tuesday is when they're re-evaluating it. the people with the upper hand now are not the kurdish syrian democratic forces. it's the russians. the regime of bashar al assad,
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and several points used to be occupied by the kurds and essentially blocking the advance of the turks. president erdogan of turkey. the only ones with sway in the situation and come tuesday when that 120 hours finally expires, it looks as though all of the power to evaluate the situation and decide whether or not this cease-fire is going to hold will be out of kurdish hands. you know, the turks, president erdogan, has already said this isn't a cease-fire. they called it a pause in fighting and refused to recognize the term cease-fire because, they said, calling it a cease-fire means they negotiated with terrorists. that's exactly what president erdogan calls the kurdish sdf. so it's a fragile situation and one that has really left the kurds on their back foot here. >> interesting vladimir putin is expected to meet with turkey the president erdogan this coming week. matt, one more question for you on the growing humanitarian
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crisis just to the north of you. many refugees make their way to the south. what's happening there? >> reporter: i was actually just at a refugee camp a couple days ago and spoke with some of them. 800 people arriving. now close to 3,000 people who have come here into northern iraq. this is the kurdish area of iraq. you know, those 3,000 are of maybe, 150,000 possibly as many as 300,000 people displaced from their homes in northern eastern syria. they were tired. they were terrified. they said the u.s. betrayed them. they were very angry at the situation, of course, and for a lot of them it's going to be very difficult for them to go back because as you've mentioned, this cease-fire doesn't seem to be holding. so while it looks as though the guns are slowly starting to stop, the humanitarian crisis and the knock-on effects of this week-long round of hostilities doesn't seem to be ending. kendis?
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>> that the headline there. despite the so-called pause the hostilities continue. matt bradley joining us from iraq. thanks to you. back here at home. it appears bernie's back. at least that's the message that senator sanders' campaign hopes to send with a rally in new york city today. kicking off a vigorous campaign comeback after suffering a heart attack. nbc news reporter, in new york, the senator picking up deendorsements. like the worst kept secret in politics. >> reporter: right. everyone kind of expected it. i actually spoke to senator, or representative ocasio-cortez a few minutes ago who is here to endorse bernie sanders who is having his first rally since, in three weeks, since he left the trail for that heart attack. listen to a little of that conversation that we had. listen to what they told me. >> i'm trying to prove that the ideas that alexandria and i
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believe in are the ideas that the working class of this country believes in. it's an opportunity to be up there on the platform with alexandria. >> this isn't about, why not her? because we all are on the same team. senator sanders' campaign is around mass movement politics, and i think that is something that is just thrilling and exciting and empowering. >> reporter: and the reason why, as you said, one of the worst kept secrets, because there's been a connection between representative ocasio-cortez and senator sandsanders. they've done policy before, had appearances before. people expected this moment to happen however she considered endorsing elizabeth warren. this is not against warren, more fo sanders. she volunteered for sanders back in 2016. the message that the campaign is trying to show, that bernie sanders is back. trying to say he's back with a
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bang. his top surrogates are here. thousands of people you see behind mere here cheering. i got to speak to a lot of them before as they were coming in, and this is a candidate that just had a heart attack a couple weeks ago. i asked, did they give them any pause in their support? not one person, not one supporter i spoke to said they've reconsidered support for senator sanders. a campaign flexing muscles showing they still have a support despite the heart attack and despite sliding poll numbers. >> you can see it is a beautiful day there in queens, new york, but a lot of people are showing lush and support for bernie sanders and they're very loud. give us a sense, though, what the plan is. what point do we expect the senator to take the stage there behind you? >> reporter: we expect him to take the stage in about a half hour, i believe. we're going to see. representative ocasio-cortez will formally give her
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endorsement and then the senator will be on the stage. first rally since back on the campaign trail. in the conversation i had with him he made a point to say he's back. ramping up. this weekend, for example, in iowa. going to south carolina afterwards and hitting early states. trying to make a point to show despite him being off the trail, despite him recovering and resting a few weeks he is back and he is here to deliver that message. he's committed to winning this primary. >> talk about that forum he's headed to in south carolina with his campaign manager later on in the hour. our thanks to you. appreciate it. all right. did you hear that? those -- little whispers, a whisper of dissent against president trump? well, they're coming from here. right there. and from the other side of the aisle. the political aisle. we're not used to hearing it from. the growing number of republicans criticizing the president's actions, but at what personal peril? plus, massive protests as the british parliament holds a
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certainly we can't have presidents asking foreign countries to provide something of political value that is after all against the law. >> is that acceptable for a sitting president? >> rii'm not happy with it. >> i don't understand why at
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this moment they had to do that. >> you don't hold up foreign aid previously appropriated for a political initiative, period. >> when america leaves we create a vacuum. we create a vacuum we create chaos and that's what we're seeing now. >> president trump is facing a new challenge with the ongoing impeachment inquiry. dwindling support from republicans. the decision to pull troops out of syria and the announcement the g7 will be held at a trump property. some republican lawmakers are having a hard time defending the president. many wonder is it a sign the party is actually split and are starting to break with the president? with us, a former chief communications adviser for paul ryan and former press secretary, for jane boehner and well as a political columnist for the "washington post."
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welcome to you. the congressman from florida representing the fort myers area, francis rooney, came out yesterday saying he was looking into the option and would potentially support an impeachment inquiry. well, just within the last couple of hours, he told fox news that, i've done what i came to do, and he, after two terms, he does not plan to run for re-election. why is it so difficult for people in your party to kind of stick up and say, we disagree with the president? >> well, for most of them it's because the only election that matters to them is their primary and the president has a strangle hold over primary voters. francis rooney is a terrific member of congress. he is -- at the same time, he is relatively new. he's independently wealthy. sort of done a bunch of incredible things in this career. really smart. sort of a traditional republican, which left us asking the question when he first came, why do you want to be a member of the house of representatives? he's not a natural fit.
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there are not a lot of people like him in the house and i'm not surprised at all after sticking around for a term and a half he decided this isn't the place to get anything done. most members in the house are in solidly red districts. the only campaign, as i said, is the primary. this is the time of year they're worrying about who's going to run against them. who's filing paperwork to run against them? and the president has done a really good job as relates to this impeachment debate of convincing the base that the fix is in. that democrats are out to get him from the beginning and he's built a firewall among the people that house republicans care most about, and basically if you're going out there to cross the president on it and i think what we've seen with mitt romney has been great, but that could be the last thing do you as a house republican if you go down that road. >> dana, you heard and saw that matchup top of the segment. many republicans for the first time least in the last two and a half years are coming together
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and saying, at least some things that go against what this president has been doing. so is it sort of a tipping point here? >> you know, boy, i wish i had a nickel for every time we thought it would be a tipping point with republicans. it never quite seems to come. look, i don't doubt if there were a secret vote on impeachment the president would be impeached by a lopsided margin and removed by the senate. but it's exactly right when you look in the house. they're just particularly, given the fast pace that impeachment is taking, they're going to be right looking at primary season. so i think you are hearing noises, but i don't think you're actually seeing a whole lot of action in that direction. so there's movement, but not something that's going to be of any significance. >> and as we mentioned, we worked with paul ryan and with john boehner.
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well connected in the republican party. based on what you're hearing from many former colleagues and current leag colleagues now, if there were a secret vote would this president be out of office? >> close. i really do. >> what are people telling you? >> so i was talking to a few folks on the hill. it was interesting. i've been in a lot of conference meetings where we walk into the room after something crazy has happened, and when we expect members to either be upset with the president or questioning where are we going? and i sort of taught myself, stop thinking that. this is what we heard again this week. members were at home two weeks over a two-week recess. the sentiment in the private conference meeting was that leaders weren't doing enough to protect the president. that is sort of typical of what you hear from house republicans be, because they were back home two weeks and heard from their constituen
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constituents. why aren't you sticking up for the president? you see a few cracks. i agree. i don't think a large movement but it's noticeable few people are actually defending him. usually in these situations members rush out to defend him want to be see as the ones on his side. most members aren't there. waiting, being kwai tquiet, to where they're going. >> do we make much of mitch mcconnell's op-ed? >> on syria? i don't know there's going to be any real crossover into this. i think members have already shown they are able to be upset about what happened in syria in the morning, and somehow rationalize what he did with ukraine in the afternoon. that's going to continue to be the way it is. compartmentalize this with no bleedover. >> a new nbc news reporting about the attorney general and his review that is taking place right now on the origins of the russia investigation.
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apparently it is expanding. this comes amid all of those concerns about whether the probe has any legal or factual basis. does this surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me at all. i don't think a legal or factual basis has been a barrier in the past for attorney general barr. of course that would go on. i mean, it's interesting to note that just yesterday we learned that they'd expanded the investigation into of all things hillary clinton's emails again. well, the state department finally gave it their best effort but they decided that there was nothing further to add to that. but i don't doubt that attorney general barr is going to continue this, regardless of what is going on with the impeachment inquiry and regardless what his inquiry is finding. >> there are many inquiries, including the impeachment inquiry, of course, and the outgoing energy secretary. rick perry. the latest to say he will not
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comply with congressional subpoenas. how long can they keep this strategy going? >> i don't know. i think the issue for me with house democrats and the way they're approaching this. i understand wanting to get everybody's story behind closed doors and it's been remarkable to see all the state department officials walk into the capitol building hours after the administration says they're not grog to participate in it. the problem for democrats at this point is that we have really short attention spans. so much of this is going on behind the scenes. as we've already seen, whether it was syria or the doral g7, we roll from one sort of outrage or a crisis to the next, and if the democrats aren't able to bring a public hearing soon to keep people's attention on this, they're going to lose the imagination of the country, and not be able to make that case they need to do. so i'm actually more surprised that more people have been coming forward. now seem to figure which of the people behind closed doors will
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make good witnesses at a public hearing. >> why a lot of people were alarmed that the name mueller came up much more than impeachment during this week's debate on the democratic stage. thank you both. appreciate it. so bernie's back. but is he better? the 2020 candidate is holding a massive rally in new york city right now. just weeks after suffering a heart attack. sanders' campaign manager will join me next to talk about his new campaign. you don't let a cold ruin your day. you take dayquil severe liquicaps
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no. this sha been quite a day in england. organizers claiming close to 1 million protesters desendered on to the already cramped streets of london since this morning. british lawmakers dealt boris johnson another blow in his plans to get the uk out of europe by october 31st of this year forcing him, they say, to seek extension to the deadline if no deal by 11:00 p.m. local time just in matter of hours from now. nbc's steve patterson is outside parliament house in london. steve, what exactly is happening out there? i know boris johnson said he's rather die in a ditch than to ask for an extension. what's happening? >> reporter: what's happening is
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the million dollar question. if anybody's telling you that they know at this point, i can tell you, they're lying. nobody at this point really knows what it's going to hab next. we know the mechanics of what should next. we know what happened earlier today, and what was supposed to happen today e. those two things very different. parliament met on a saturday for the first time in nearly 40 years. supposed to decide whether or not they wanted to adopt boris johnson's proposal to exit the european union decisively yes or no. a big deal coming into today. even pundits in polling saying that boris basically had it in the bag. he was going to have enough votes to cross that line to get his deal done. what did happen instead is that parliament voted for an, for an amendment that would essential circumvent that decisive movement to get that deal done. instead saying that, they wanted to see the legalese, all the
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stipulations ought on the table before they went ahead and voted. which then triggered a secondary effect, which is basically, as you said, boris johnson having to ask for an extension to his halloween, october 31st deadline. the deadline he said he never wanted to extent at all. said, as you said, would rather die in a ditch than extend. that is now part of the law that says he has to do that. as for what happens next, again, we're not sure. the speaker has said that, you know, come monday that his proposal may be re-introduced into parliament. that this may go to a second referendum. there maybe are another general election in parliament. who knows. what we do know what happened today was momentous. hundreds out on the street protesting and feeling disillusioned about what's happening in their country. listen to this.
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>> that's what we're here marching for democracy today. >> reporter: you think if people knew now what they would have known before they would vote differently? >> yes. >> no one talked about what exactly we were choosing when we were, when we can leave, but what does that mean? it's not like, in the u.s., for instance, if one of the states wanted to leave, the union, like there would be, like a, a necessary ratificationability so many more steps. >> have to go back to england at some stage. good to keep it separate from an election. >> reporter: so we're checking the time now. a couple hours until we know for sure whether or not that letter is going to be sent to the european union asking for that extension. again, the deadline was to have a deal done today. that obviously did not happen. what happens next? the mechanics of what is supposed to happen next is that that extension will be filed with the eu, but, again, it's anybody's call.
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this thing has been up and down for nfor three years as we follw all the latest developments, and who know what's will happen come monday. >> used to seeing people on the streets of london on a saturday night, 7:30 in the evening, but still a lot of protesters out there at this point. >> reporter: yes, yes. there are. trickling home. the streets were absolutely clogged. if you've been here, kendis, already narrow corridors in this area. specifically here in central london. i mean tls, there were points completely bottlenecked, could not move to one location or the other. those people filters out going home. it's gotten dark. we imagine this will trickle down and calm down in a little bit. people are still roaming the streets different than we're used to seeing in central london on a normal saturday night. back to you. >> quite the day in london. parliament meeting for the first time on a saturday in some 35
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years. thanks to you. a new revelation in the ukraine scandal. rudy giuliani tried to secure a visa for a man that helped form the basis plan against joe biden. details of this closed-door admission. later, watch sunday where ari mellberg hosts trump and ukraine. impeachment crisis. a look into the impeachment inquiry and where it's heading. a special hour starting tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here. we present limu emu & doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] it's an honor to tell you that liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. and now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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back on the beat. senator bernie sanders rallies crowds in queens, new york, this afternoon. today's event, the first in a series of campaign appearances following the senator's recent heart attack. he is expected to take the stage any moment now. one of those appearances will place sanders, coming up, south carolina criminal justice forum an event president trump also plans to attend. joining me, a campaign manager for bernie sanders. thank you forebeing here. >> thanks for having me. >> doing great there in queens. thousands of people gathered there for the senator's rally. where is the campaign standing right now, and how have you guys adjusted in this new reality? >> well, yeah. there's been a constant effort in the professional pundit class
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to dismiss the campaign. the most individual volunteers and contributions, and the history -- >> there's only one candidate -- >> it's growing here. >> one weekendcandidate who hadt attack. >> people see that as, people deal with adversity in their lives and see a candidate who is pushing for the working class of america. he is willing to put every ounce of his own effort to fight for all of us. i think quite frankly, you see alexandria cortez behind me, a desire to have a movement based out of ideas that lift the working class and the -- the billion that ares and first class not to have it all. >> are you adjusting his schedule at all? >> not at all. we'll be out in south carolina and in detroit over the next five days. full speed ahead to win this thing. >> and what -- you mentioned the
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endorsement taking place from alexandria oh alexandria oh k alexandria casio cortez. >> what's the points of endorsements? >> though show the movement is growing. it's going to be a working multigenerational, teachers, postal many employees giving $18 at a time. that's how you defeat donald trump pap working class movement. this symbol sizes how to reach across, a 78-year-old jewish-american running for president with a 31-year-old latina young dynamic congresswoman showing visually the kind of coalition we can
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build to win. >> and the forum we mentioned next week. senator sanders taking part in the discussion a day after president trump. how does his plan contrast, to that same audience from the president? >> yes. we have to release the most bold criminal justice plan. i understand there's a dangerous and difficult war on drugs that criminalized so many people. a war on poverty in america. a criminalization of poverty putting people in jail because they can't afford cash bail and charges them more upon exit from the system to put them back into the system. yes. there is a broken criminal justice system he understands that is governed by greed. people, prisons getting rich off of imprisoning people and we have to take those people on. >> and quickly here, last question for you. because during the course of that one week that the senator had a heart attack and he suddenly lost his daughter-in-law. was there ever a discussion at all of dropping out of this
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race? >> no. once we got the medical diagnosis we felt, you know, a new routine procedure for people with a blockage of this kind. two stents the next day and up and walking. think about the adversity others are going through and struggling and counting on us to launch this campaign and went full steam ahead. >> leave it there. campaign manager. a special guest, admit, hoping it was cardi b. >> it's coming. one day. and attack dog for the president and now central figure in theian going impeachment inquiry. talking rudy giuliani, of course. according to diplomat george kent giuliani tried to secure a visa for viktor shokin. that name probably sounds familiar. remember shokin was the one that henned giuliani form that baseless claim that then vice
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president joe biden pushed for shokin's firing to help his son hunter biden. so in all of this, joined by msnbc legal analyst and former federal prosecutor paul butler and former federal prosecutor katie schcowsky. thanks for being here. what do we make of the latest reporting? >> one issue is that representing donald trump has been great business for rudy giuliani. since he's started to be his defense attorney there's a huge demand for rudy's services. and face it, rudy is a lousy lawyer. we've all seen him go on tv and by the time he goes off tv his client is in more trouble. so people probably aren't hiring him for his legal skills. they want his access, which brings us to viktor shokin. this disgraced former prosecutor in the ukraine. the imf, the obama
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administration all wanted him out of office because he wasn't aggressive enough on corruption. so rudy, with his access, again, thinks this shokin guy can give him dirt on the origins of the russian investigation wants him to go to the u.s. rudy can go to the white house and the state definite to try to get this guy a vees virginisa. we've had friends having trouble getting a visa to come to the united states. remember what i said about him not being a great lawyer? didn't work out. mr. shokin still didn't get his visa. >> the new report, katie, does it up the ante, the legal ramifications for rudy giuliani? >> absolutely could. the problem here is that mr. giuliani is a private citizen. a lot of presidents, if not all presidents, is personal attorneys but mr. giuliani is not acting in the role of a attorney while engaged in government accesses.
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acting as a private citizen attempting to insert himself into government acts and that could well be bribery. government actors are subject to rules and regulations that allow for different interactions with foreign governments and agencies. that could be an exception. when you have a private citizen doing the same thing, that could clearly be a violation of the criminal code. >> which was the headline that stood out to you this week? there were so many. people who testified, kent, sondland, fiona hill at the start of the week. fiona hill, a former top aide on russia. she told -- she was told by john bolton, of course, the national security adviser, that so alarmed by giuliani, mulvaney and sondland he told her to go to the white house lawyer saying i'm not part of whatever drug deal sondland and mulvaney were cooking up? >> clearly, there have been these three amigos and other actors within the trump
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administration who have been doing weird things in the ukraine, and one of those things was trying to get rid of the former ambassador, marie yovanovitch. and one of their concerns about her was that she wasn't onboard with this bizarre conspiracy theory, that somehow all of trump's russia investigation troubles started in ukraine. she didn't want to go there. rudy was trying to get rid of her, and may have, if acting on behalf of folks in the ukraine, who also didn't like the ambassador. he would have been a lobbyist for her. he's required to register, a lobbyist for those ukraine officials is required to register for that. if he didn't then he's violated several criminal laws. why right now he's under investigation by the same u.s. attorney's office in manhattan he used to run. >> can't get over the irony there. katie, next week they're supposed to be even more depositions starting with the acting ambassador to ukraine.
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if you were in that room interrogating this individual what would you want to hear from him? >> well, i would want to the know the direct questions about the interactions that rudy giuliani had with ukrainians. that's the weakest link for president trump at this point. rudy giuliani. what exactly happened there. i think those are the direct questions that would need answered. >> leave it there. thank you to you both. coming up, the shocking concerns about a popular passenger aircraft that's now grounded. what test pilots said about the boeing 737 max years before two deadly crashes. how the faa is now responding. why is that? it ain't got that vacuum in the back! we got to go. ♪ vacuum in the back, hallelujah! ♪
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we're back with stunning new revelations and now new questions involving the boeing 737 max. text messages from test pilots now reveal serious problems with the plane long before it was grounded following two deadly crashes. nbc's stephanie gosk with the story. >> reporter: deadly crashes overseas. 346 died and more evidence boeing was aware of a problem with the anti-stall system on
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the 737 max. they didn't tell the faa or airlines that flight the plane. in these messages from 2016 obtained by nbc news, two test pilots working for boeing write about problems with the mcas system in the flight simulator two years before the first fatal crash in indonesia. its running rampant in the sim on me, writes the former chief test pilot mark forkner. the other pilot responds, oh, great. that means we have to update the trim description. forkner writes, so i basically lied to the regulators unknowingly. at one point he calls what happened in the flight simulator egregious. in a statement to the "wall street journal" forkner's attorney writes, if you read the whole chat it is obvious there was no lie, and the simulator program was not operating properly. based on what he was told, mark thought the plane was safe and the simulator would be fixed. the faa says it found the messages concerning, adding, it's also disappointed boeing
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did not bring this document to its attention immediately upon its discovery. boeing tells nbc news, we will continue to follow the direction of the faa and other global regulators as we work to safely return the 737 max to service. last month, the new faa chief exclusively spoke with nbc's tom costello. >> i'm not going to sign off on the aircraft until i would fly it myself or put my own family on it. >> reporter: no u.s. airline will fly the max until january at the earliest. stephanie gosk, nbc news, new york. >> thanks to stephanie there. learning new details on the memorial services planned for longtime congressman elijah cummings. cummings will lie in state at the capitol on thursday. a fitting tribute for a man born the son of a sharecropper and rose through the ranks of the maryland house of delegates before winning his congressional seat and eventually becoming the chairman of the congress' black caucus and was known as a passionate civil rights leader.
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cummings, of course, was a key figure in the impeachment inquiry as chairman of the powerful house oversight committee and tribute pouring in from many colleagues and the loss perhaps more personal in his home district where he served for more than 20 years. >> congressman elijah cummings was the dr. martin luther king for us here in baltimore. i saw the wisdom and how he dealt with people over the years and understanding the bigger picture than even with what we had in baltimore. so i learned from his message from what, and how we need to move forward. >> i know that he's been upholding -- the needs of the people for -- for so long, and i just wanted to express my condolences to his staff today. >> those constituents in west baltimore tearful at times. the public will be allowed to
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scandal. new details on rudy giuliani's state department request and efforts made to secure a visa for the former ukrainian official who promised dirt on joe biden. and the former nominee for president is weighing in on the 2020 race. the explosive accusation hillary clinton is making against a congresswoman, tulsi gabbard and how gabbard is responding. plus, lawmakers block boris johnson's plan to leave the eu forcing him to do something and to ask for something that he said he would never, ever do. this, as hundreds of thousands of protesters riot or demonstrate, rather, outside of the british parliament. president trump made a grave mistake. that's what you don't often hear from a republican. especially mitch mcconnell. the senate majority leader wrote an opinion piece about the president's decision to pull u.s. troops out of syria. he writes in the "washington
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post," "events of the past week have set back the united states campaign against the islamic state and terrorists." more bad news for trump as more republicans pull their support from the president and as the impeachment inquiry heats up. a busy weak ahead in washington with six more witnesses expected on capitol hill. get right over to nbc news white house correspondent hans nichols joining us. what's the mood at the white house? >> reporter: you mentioned six officials expected to testify. i think for each individual official we need to wait for confirmation before we actually know if they will appear, because late last night we just saw with rick perry, he hinted earlier in the morning he wanted to testify but had his counsel tack a look at it. by close of business, rick perry announcing he would not be cooperating. it all comes ahead of almost the fifth week heading into this fifth crucial week of what we'll learn. seems like every day last week we learned something additional.
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on friday we did get the sense rudy giuliani's freelance diplomacy in broader than previously known and he was trying to get a visa to visit the u.s. for ousted ukrainian prosecutor to try to get his version of the story. ultimately it was denied. the request went to the state department and the white house and ultimately denied. all part of what eventually the house will likely send over. i say "likely" to the senate and the senate we'll see how long the senate impeachment trial is if the house does indeed vote to impeach. >> and mitch mcconnell says an impeachment trial is an inevitable thing and hoping this will all be wrapped up by the end of the year? >> reporter: so the timeline here is important. also the motives for mcconnell. a very well resource reporter to the "new york times" has a lunch where mcconnell is preparing his colleagues in the senate, closed door lunch for what impeachment
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would look like. the question, is mcconnell doing this to give it a fair process or doing it to give political cover to vulnerable republican senators? that's susan collins of maine, cory gardner out in california and senator tillis in north carolina. that's really an open question right now, but it does appear the mcconnell is going to have a somewhat lengthy process and this won't just be a quick up or down vote with a motion to dismiss. he'll actually listen to the evidence, if the house comes over and presents it, and, remember, it's the chief justice of the united states that would preside over that trial. kendis? >> hoping to get it done from 2020. many hoping, at least. hans nichols from the white house. thank you. now to london. a critical few hours ahead for prime minister boris johnson. this as organizers say close to 1 million protesters have descended on to the streets of london since this morning. the uk lawmakers postponing a crucial brexit vote earlier today forcing johnson to seek
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extension to the deadline. nbc's steve patterson is outside parliament in london and, steve, as you know, johnson is required by law to seek an extension from the eu by 11:00 p.m. tonight. he's objecting. what's next? >> reporter: yes. so this was a stipulation added before the vote called the benn act. a member of parliament added this stipulation saying there has to be something concrete on the books by the 31st of october. meaning essentially there had to be a deal done by tonight. this was supposed to be boris johnson's triumphant day. he had a deal from the european union. nobody thought he could get that. polling showing even today he may be able to get it passed in the uk parliament. so coming in to today there was a lot of talk about could think actually be the brexit that johnson has been looking for? well, turns out instead parliament voted for an amendment that essentially
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circumvented that decisive action on johnson's proposal. meaning that he would, as you said, be required by law to ask for another extension to that october 31st deadline, and that if he didn't have the proposal by 11:00 tonight that is something that would absolutely have to happen. however, there is new reporting out there saying that johnson is worried about going to the european union saying that they may be a little late on deciding what actually may happen. that he might tell them this is actually a bad deal. that this, an extension is not the right way to handle this or the proper thing to do. that's not to go over the law. he would still have to send a letter basically still asking for that extension but could also add an addendum or a second letter on to that as well. so, again, what happens next still very much up in the air. speaker of the house of commons still have to decide if the proposal that johnson put out today may go to a vote on
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monday. or maybe even more likely now that there might be a second referendum. in other words, the people get another vote. like they did in 2016. that vote obviously was for brexit. we've seen how that has impacted this society over the past three years. who knows what will happen? it's up in the air. >> exactly what the hundreds of thousands are protesters were asking for. another referendum. boris johnson all 87 days and hasn't achieved one victory there in parliament. outside parliament house in london. thanks to you. we move on to the escalating conflict in syria. u.s. officials confirming to nbc news that the cease-fire is not holding. turkey claims military operations would be paused until tuesday to allow kurdish fighters to leave the territory. however, take a look at this. smoke was spotted rising from a kurdish territory today. a senior u.s. official with direct knowledge of the situation there on the ground says turkey is using this
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cease-fire to take more territory. amid the ongoing fighting, that growing humanitarian crisis there as the death toll climbs and thousands attempt to flee the violence. nbc news correspondent is on the ground in iraq, matt bradley. the u.n. says many refugees are heading now, calling it a growing humanitarian crisis. matt? >> reporter: yes, kendis. there's some 150,000 to 300,000 displaced people in syria depending who you ask. there's probably something nearly 2,500's them who made it here to northern iraq. kurdish iraq. i spoke with someone the other day and they described a harrowing journey here. one of the main problems we're seeing here, actually relief agencies, like refugee groups, are having to withdraw their personnel some some camps well, long established in northeast
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syria. of course, this war has been going on now more than eight years. they've been trying to withdraw their own staff because they fear for their own lives and safety. a lot of these people dispolila in syria. they're going to have a hard time finding people who can take care of them. even as this so-called cease-fire is trying to get a handle on itself and the sdf, mostly kurdish fighting force, it was alive with the u.s., has said the turks have not been abiding by this cease-fire. there's been a difficulty on behalf of the sdf to get their people in to rescue people especially from the town of ein esa on the border. the turks apparently weren't letting them until a couple hours ago. >> matt, are they getting help from any organizations out there as far as the humanitarian crisis? united states or anybody else kicking in?
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>> reporter: yes. we were just add another refugee camp from where i am here in northern iraq. they had to spring into action. they had to build up a bunch of tents fast as they could to accommodate what could be thousands and thousands of refugees. the good thing is here, not such a good thing, is that a lot of the superstructure was already there, because once again, kendis, we're seeing these humanitarian tragedies emanating out of syria happening again and again and again. and this refugee camp is a perfect example. just last year from mosul occupied islamic state. the refugee crisis is repeating itself over and over again and this is a new layer on a massive humanitarian happening coming out of syria. >> nobody knows what will happen tuesday when this so-called cease-fire ends. matt bradley, thanks to you. back here in the united
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quite a bit of backlash for the trump administration over the decision to hold next year's meeting of global leaders at his strickaling resort. an ed trl, move the summit. the administration claim there's was nowhere in this entire country more suitable for this. >> we absolutely believe this is the best place to have it and are having it there and folks will never get over the fact this is trump property. we get that but we're still going to go there. >> lucky to have the "washington post" reporter with me, done
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extensive reporting on trump and business ties as well as daniel litman, latest article talks about the rift in the republican party. white house claiming president trump won't make money off hosting the g7 summit. in fact said they will charge at cost. the government for all of this. you say what? >> well, that's pretty meaningless unless they tell us what they really mean by at cost. is trump going to charge for the housekeepers to clean the rooms or cover administrate ish, maintenance costs and mortgage costs? remember this. this is a time of year, having the summit in june. where the resort is typically more than 60% empty. even if he just got at cost, he still fills all many radios at a time he's normally theet cost. it's a huge benefit plus marketing and branding having the world talk about your resort. >> the president is kind of like negotiating with himself for the cost of what this hotel room
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will be. >> right. to me the most sdrdestructive tg not what they've said but what they've done. charged the u.s. taxpayer for previous business. no hint they are just charging the minimum possible. for instance, when trump's staff stayed at mar-a-lago the trump organization charged the government $546 per person per night to put them up in rooms. when trump staffers had a drinking binge at mar-a-lago the trump organization sent the taxpayers $1,000 bill for ought the liquor they drank. they seem to charge as much as they can. >> you did note it was woodford reserves. i guess it's, a lot of woodford reserve. daniel, to you on this. you were writing about this and mentioning maybe people were whispering within the republican party saying the safeguards are off.
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scaramucci says wheels are not just off the car. it's way worse. what are you hearing from people there in washington? >> i talked to a lot of former trump white house officials and republicans close to the president. they told me that in earlier parts of the administration they would actually see more restraints, constraints on trump. he wouldn't have probably awarded himself this huge contract. he wouldn't have called nancy pelosi a third-rate politician. now, he's really surrounded by yes men and women who are not willing to stand up to him, and tell him when they think he's wrong. and, you know, i talked to one former official who said your year three team is different than the year one team. not taking people from the ivy leagues anymore. >> and people highlighting the decision about the g7 as a result of not having people who are saying no to him. back to that, david. there are a lot of wonderful resorts out in this country.
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i'm not saying anything negative about doral, but it's right there in the thick of miami. they say it's the most secure place and has great rooms and all that. do we have any sense where else they might have looked? >> no. that's deliberate on their part. they've said we looked at 11 other sites and doral was best of them. again, that's a meaningless statement unless you tell me what the other 11 sites are. few things they've said about the other 11 sites make it seem they were looking at places with no chance. for instance, stephanie grisham white house spokeswoman said one of the other sites you needed oxygen tanks just to get the leaders to have a meeting. couldn't sit there without breathing oxygen. why was that on the list? why did you look at a place on top of a mountain? until we see those other 11 sites, it's hard to say did they really do a search or do a search that was designed to make doral look best? >> so it's an interesting thing. this, daniel, has revealed some
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chink in the armor there. the republican armor. you had the "new york post" the president's hometown paper talking about this as well as h geraldo herrera and others. this is a bad move. is this breaking apart the party? >> this is the slow disintegration of trump's hold on the republican party. you have mick mulvaney giving an open confession to many of the things democrats are investigating with this impeachment inquiry, that makes it march harder tore trump to, and his republican defenders, to actually batten down the hatches and say, he did nothing wrong, when mick is saying on national television, well, he actually did link the political benefit to him to that foreign assistant. so that makes, you know, more republicans not want to serve. you saw francis rooney today,
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congressman from florida, a republican, former ambassador to the holy sea announce his retirement, because they don't want to be associated with the trump brand anymore and also, you know, his base is, anytime you criticize trump you get attacked by him or his base. >> and, david, aren't there laws for all this? emoluments? why haven't those kicked in here? >> two sets of laws that might apply. first is conflict of interest rules. say you were a low-level planner at the department of defense and owned a resort gave a giant contract to yourself. they'd march of out of there and charged with a crime. those laws don't apply to the president and vice president by design. but there is the emoluments clause in the constitution says presidents can't catake payment from the u.s. government or foreign government or to pay them at doral trump is inviting both of those kinds of payments. a lot of folks argue that
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violates the constitution. the problem, because no president has ever tried something like this before, we don't really have a great mechanism to enforce it. a lot of lawsuits trying to create that in the courts right now, but moving so slowly i doubt there will be a definitive decision before doral's hosted meeting in june. >> daniel, meantime you've interviewed so many current and former many employees of the administration. you say they're worried about the president's erratic behavior. expound on that. >> yes. a previous leaders in the white house, chiefs of staff, national security advisers, they would have told the president, hey, we can't just give in to what the turkish president wants in terms of attacking our allies, the kurds. you have to tell the turks to lay off them. we're going to keep troops there, even if it's a limited number, and now you have people who are not willing, or they don't have the stature because they would be worried about their jobs.
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and their place and standing with the president to actually say to him, this is -- may feel good to say, yes, to this. of course, you have wanted to get out of those foreign entanglements. when you have -- this will cause bad problems for you when you have your can own friends like lindsey graham saying it's a stain on america's conscious. >> and republicans reading your articles, response, and seeing all the investigations that you've done and kind of saying, this is beyond the line? >> some of my colleague hs a really good story in the paper today talking to republicans about that very thing. it's not overem whelming on capitol hill but you see some people put off by this. my colleagues reported even some republicans have gone to the white house quietly saying don't do this. talking about doral. because there's no public policy aim to it. there's no benefit to anybody other than trump. nothing in it for anyone else
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but him. it's caused some republicans to pressure him privately. whether that leads to a big blowup, so much other stuff is going on, hard to know. sort of the worst time for him to test republicans like this when because of ukraine, because of syria. so already so pressured by him. already so far out on a limb. >> picture a crisis. any week. thank you both. former defense secretary james mattis taking a rare jab at his former boss. president trump. he called him an overrated general. take a listen. >> i'm not just an overrated general. i am the greatest, the world's most overrated. some of you were tkind during te reception and asked if this bothered me to have been rated this way, based on what donald trump said. i said, of course not. i earned my spurs on the battlefield, martin, as you
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pointed out and donald trump earned his spurs from a doctor. >> and general mattis previously refrained from speaking out against trump. however, another top military officer, admiral william mcraven oversaw the raid that killed bin laden billi laden, by the way, is not holding back. military analyst and barry mccaffrey. thank you for joining us. is jim mattis overrated, by the way? >> it's a comical exchange of views going on now. probably mattis and mcraven who ran the super secret joint special operations force that took down osama bin laden are probably the most ferocious fighters and nearly worshipped by the current armed forces. for mr. trump to go after them is just silly. i think the other thing we're
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seeing, though, kendis, to be blunt, is the gradual feeling spreading throughout the national security apparatus that the process is dead. that this is trump home alone. that letter to erdogan was sixth great stuff. impulsive decisions. bad decisions. this whole notion the kurds are happy, the president tells us, sounds like some kind of cruel monty python skit going on. we're in serious difficulty now with the national security process disintegrating. >> general, put it in a perspective here. as you watch all that has played out. at least within the last three days. with the cease-fire in syria. how have things progressed, in your view? >> it's a disaster. i mean, in terms of trust on the united states' word. you hear kurdish allies, by the way they also fought with us in iraq. a couple million of them.
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basically got turned over to their enemies. their enemies being not just the turkish army, but the arab militias now terrorizing them, forcing tens of thousands into flight. it's a humanitarian disaster. it's really a shameful blot on the united states as an international partner. it's not new, i might add, kendis. for the last three years the president has gone after nato, which we know is the centerpiece of u.s. national security. gone after the south koreans, the japanese, and he's embraced people like kim jong-un and putin and duterte in the fill appearanc philippines. the world's turned upside down. surprising to me about the whole situation with the kurds, what possible good came to the united states? or for that matter, mr. trump. if you're going to throw your allies to the wolves, you'd think, in a mack vilcvillian se
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you'll want something out of it. >> general mcraven, one of the tough guys out there. take a wlook he wrote in the "new york times." he writes the country is under attack from within. he says here. if this president doesn't demonstrate the leadership that america needs both domestically and abroud then it is time for a new person in the oval office. republican or democrat or independe independent. the sooner the better. fate of our republic depends upon it. do you agree? is our independence under attack? >> i think is. defense secretary mattis does not want to get down in the mud with mr. trump. he resigned in writingwe do note
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military leadership in any way involved with a public attack of mr. trump, but the national security, serious people, in defense and foreign service, are appalled at what's going on. this is a real threat to america's national security. >> frightening words right there from general mccaffrey. thank you. hillary clinton as you know ran in 2016, but is still a hot topic in the 2020 race. the tough words she has for a new democratic contender, tulsi gabbard, and tomorrow, oliver melber hosts a look into the impeachment inquiry and where it's head tomorrow 9:00 eastern time p.m. on msnbc. i am the twisting thundercloud.
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state hillary clinton and her emails are back in the headlines after a three-year-long investigation. the state department found no persuasive evidence of systemic deliberate mishandling of classified information, but the review of 33,000 emails did find 38 current and former employees were culpable of nearly 100 security violations. now clinton is caught up in a different controversy. a war of words with 2020 democratic presidential candidate tulsi gabbard. clinton appeared to throw the first jab during an interview on a political podcast earlier this week. while she doesn't mention gabbard by name, clinton suggests a congresswoman is a russian asset. >> i think they've got their eye on somebody in the democratic primary, and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate. she's a favorite of the russians. they have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far. >> reporter: the iraq war
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veteran fired back with a furious tweet storm. you, the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption and personification of the rot that has sickened the democratic party for so long have finally come out from behind the curtain. adding -- don't cowardly hide behind proxies. join the race directly. clinton spokesperson responding to the attacks writing, divisive language filled with vitriol and conspiracy theories? can't imagine a better proof point than this. gabbard doubled down on the trail in iowa. >> i will not run as a third-party candidate or as an independent. i am a democrat. i am running for the democratic nomination. >> tulsi gabbard last night and our thanks to kathy park reporting and hillary clinton's podcast appearance, slamming the 2016 green part nominee jill stein calling her a russian asset. stein responded with several tweets saying in part, it's a shame hrc is peddling conspiracy
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♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we need someone to lean on ♪ blow a kiss into the sun ♪ we needed somebody to lean on ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ all we need is someone to lean on ♪ to the new developments in the impeachment inquiry. a rig revelation about president
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trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani. george kent, diplomat, testified giuliani tried to secure a visa for an ousted ukraine prosecutor promising to dig up dirt on joe biden. and voting to impeach president nixon and nbc news political reporter jonathan allen. start with you. >> i did not vote -- to impeach president nixon. >> or clinton for that matter. >> i did not. >> nbc news has first-rate reporting on what happened behind closed doors when george kent was there on capitol hill. what are we learning? >> right. our colleagues lee ann caldwell and alex mo reported one of our diplomats testified to the fact that rudy giuliani was trying to get a visa for this fired ukrainian prosecutor who was in
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the middle of this story with the president trying to get a look into hunter biden and joe biden. wanted to get the state department to bring him over here to the united states, and, you know, of course, there's not a lot of actual reporting on what they wanted to do with him once here but this prosecutor was somebody the entire western world looked at at corrupt and the giuliani was trying to get him into the united states. >> why is this a big deal? big picture. >> a big picture, a couple parts. one part of the big picture is that rudy giuliani on behalf of the president of the united states is working with a corrupt prosecutor. start off with that. remember, he's got two other associates who just have been indicted. gives you a sense of the kind of dirt and filth giuliani and through him the president have been associated with to try to smear biden to win the 2020 election. that's what this is is about. that's one part of the big
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picture. the other part of the big picture which will probably unravel in a few days is that in order to get this corrupt prosecutor to the united states, giuliani had to get through the state department. they don't want corrupt prosecutors, professionals, in the state department. well, you had a, an ambassador in ukraine, u.s. ambassador, who didn't want the corrupt prosecutor to come into the u.s., and they got rid of her. was this the exact cause of that? then again you begin to have an abuse of power with giuliani's working with the president to try to get rid of a corrupt -- to bring in a corrupt prosecutor and get rid of the u.s. ambassador is an abuse of power, and there may be other misdeeds as well. >> giuliani you know, said no to many subpoenas flying at him but saying -- >> he just wants to cover up. >> attorney/client and executive privilege. >> he can't claim executive privilege. it's nonsense. first of all he's not a
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government official. number two -- he's got to come forward and attorney/client privilege. we're not even sure 100%, because trump when asked about that not long ago said, oh, he's my attorney. got to ask him. do we know for sure? he needs to show up. he needs to produce his documents. the people, the president of the united states is in a big cover-up and giuliani's in a big cover-up and the people around him are in a big cover-up. >> the big question, who is he representing beyond the president of the united states? representing this businessmen? this prosecutors viktor shokin from the ukraine, and when he goes in and asks the state department according to the testimony, goes in and asks the state department for a visa, there is a foreign agent registration act that precludes lobbying the u.s. government on behalf of foreign entities without registering to do that. mr. giuliani for as i know is not registered to do that.
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that's a huge legal problem for him if doing that. if he's lobbying. he says he's not lobbying on behalf of foreign ent'sties yet he's traveling the world and communicating and as a liaison has been reported for a lot of foreign officials, and with the u.s. government. so what exactly the means of that are and what the law is around that is something that rudy giuliani will probably have to answer for at some point. >> yesterday he said he doesn't need a criminal lawyer right now. a lot of people saying he should get legal help. congressman, you mentioned you've been through impeachment proceedings before and voted for it. how would you rate this white house strategy compared to how the nixon white house dealt with this? >> first of all i wrote a book call "the case for impeaching trump" viewers might want to read it to get a better insight. there are a lot of similarities. number one, the cover-up is a similarity. number two, the -- basically
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with regard to watergate and the impeachment of richard nixon. why was he impeached? by the house judiciary committee and resigned because. yees e used the government for political purposes. cover up a break-in. had nothing to do with the good of the united states but had to do with his own re-election. fast-forward to donald trump. what's he doing? same thing. using the government, governmental powers. powers of his office, to, for his own political benefit. not for the good of the country. that's the same thing and i think donald trump is going down that same road and cover-up, cover-up, cover-up. getting old. >> trends are similar between nixon and now donald trump. leave it there. thank you both. senator bernie sanders speaking right now at his, bernie's back rally right here in new york city. live pictures coming from long island. our reporter is there. the senator made it to the stage
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after a key endorsement. >> reporter: right. a key endorsement from the senator alexandria ocasio-cortez. you have that endorsement from alexandria ocasio-cortez. i got to speak to them both right before this rally began. listen to what they told me. >> we, right now, have one of the best democratic presidential primary fields in a generation, and much of that is thanks to the work that bernie sanders has done in his entire life. >> people who have -- >> reporter: that sound is actually as she was introducing senator sanders in front of the crowd. i spoke to her beforehand and asked, she was considering endorsing both senator sanders and elizabeth warren.
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i said why did you choose senator sanders? she wanted to be a part of a larger movement. volunteered for this campaign in 2016 and felt a connection to this candidacy, again, senator sanders is here now. if you heard him onstage, he started comments saying he had a permit for 20,000 and they had to close the door and said he's back. the chant you're hearing from many smoupporters in the crowd. the campaign showing senator sanders? back on the campaign trail and back with a bang. >> he certainly seems energized with 25,000 people you can understand why. from long island city here in queens. thank you. a new hour and a new development. the impeachment inquiry is taking new twist and turns in the next hour. a special look at the week that was, and what to expect in the next inquiry. tonight, msnbc's ari melber host as special airing of michael moore's oscar-winning documentary e bowling for columbine." the film's look at guns in america is just as relevant
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from hundreds of protesters, at an nba game, to a congresswoman and a duchess fighting something in common, and celebrities admitting their own hypocrisy, it is time for a look at pop culture meaning politics. joining me now a former congressional defense secretary, and comedian and cultural commentator pete dominic. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> there's a lot to unfold from this past week. i was looking at the nba game last night that took place here in brooklyn. and i got a sense that the nba's in a little bit of trouble come this season because just at last night's game with the raptors and the nets, hundreds of demonstrators wore shirts in support of hong kong and tibet.
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does this kind of, what, is this a sign of things to come? >> i think what we're seeing happening with the whole nba drama, i think what we're seeing is two things. one, it is being shown in the united states, freedom of speech only counts when people like what you have to say. and two, corporate interests also overshadow our moral values. i don't think that we should necessarily be getting involved in sort of the political issues that are happening between china and hong kong. unfortunately, as a result of one tweet that went out, this entire thing -- >> seven word tweet. >> and it blows up into all of this. and i would love to see these same people that are out there, protesting, at these nba games, do the same thing, when we see african-american people shot on the streets by police. >> and you will have some people as well -- >> i'm sure there is an overlap in that group of people. but the nation magazine calls this a manic display of corporate cowardice. he says it's woke consciousness
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versus woke marketing. in this reference in the nba. >> in reference to the nba, walk back, and real concern about, you know, players and obviously this general manager of the houston rockets speaking out in defense of democracy and freedom and the other part of this, i want to be clear, the other point is this attack from mostly i would argue white conservatives, on some of the black players, saying when they're talking about, you know, unarmed black men being killed, sanctioned killings in american streets, it is shut up and dribble, but talking about freedom of speech in hong kong, then they support them there. >> you get a sense this will be a fan thing. fans at tuesday's nba game, opening game in toronto, plan to put out some, similar t-shirts. >> this is more of a political profession than something that we talk in sports. a lot of hypocrisy. because the same people sitting here supporting china or
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whatever, they had a lot to say, in support of trump when he was sitting there rubbing shoulders with kim jong-un and now it is an issue with the nba. >> yes, let's move on to the next one, because we're talking about aoc endorsing bernie sanders, just a few moments ago. and she's giving a little bit of an endorsement to someone else, meghan markle, the duchess of sussex who opened up about her struggles living in the public eye. the congresswoman, aoc tweeted words, sudden prominence and very dehumanizing experience. what do we have to make of this? >> i think it is a fascinating issue, to see meghan markle and alexandria, all women thrust into the public eye and not necessarily be prepared or ready for, how can you be for the criticism they all get and i think there is obvious to say
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that there is a double standard for prominent women to men the way we look and act and i think it is important to see the solidarity among these women and so many more on this issue, because it is very, very difficult, and the ridicule and the criticism can be harsh and even dangerous. >> the solidarity is great, but the reason why they're being attacked is completely different. meghan markle is being attacked especially by the british presh because she is biracial. a lost the attacks that are happening with her are due to racism. aoc is being attacked because she wants to give everybody everything for free. it is completely different. and when you decide to run for political office, this is what you get. >> the british press, i think they're learning some things, that they're learning from behind the scenes. >> they are calling her son a chimpanzee. that's why it is very different than what we're seeing from aoc. it is not the same. >> speaking of celebrities, more than 100 signed a letter with a group called extinction rebellion and they're living
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environmental hypocrisy at the same time. dear journalists who have called us hip dr, hypocrite, you're ri. a huge carbon footprints. >> two things can be true. if you have multiple homes and cars, and you spend a lot of money, you could be a hypocrite for advocating for lowering your carbon footprints but the idea that celebrities bring prominence to important issues is what it is all about. i fully support all these guys. all these celebrities. >> with a town hall, like you see for climate change, i would love to see a four-hour town hall for african-american issues. >> it will happen. >> always like to give viewers something to think about. children and nature, network organization, amazing organization, to fight climate, striking at the root to help urban communities. >> got to run. thanks for watching. we will be back tomorrow morning at 7:00 a.m. hope you can join me then. hope you can join me then. the deaf,
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