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that wraps up this hour of msnbc health care plans. live. i will see you tomorrow morning public employee unions began to say, wait a minute, i like my on "today." health care plan. and so there will be a hard "andrea mitchell reports" starts right now. >> right now on "andrea mitchell debate there between all of the reports," three-way race, bernie front-runners, but i think there sanders' narrow victory over will be more momentum coming off nevada than we've seen in past pete buttigieg has the democrats cycles and the question is, without a clear front-runner where does that leave joe biden two weeks from now if he's after new hampshire. >> we are going to unite betting it all on south together and defeat the most carolina. the numbers show he's doing well in south carolina. dangerous president in the joe biden is banking on this modern history of this country. being a delegate race, a long [ cheers and applause ] delegate race and at some point >> and thanks to you, a campaign if a candidate can capture enough momentum, they can play that some said shouldn't be here in the delegate game. at all has shown that we are right now he's trailing in the here to stay. [ cheers and applause ] early states in the delegate game. >> and talking about candidates, >> hello, america. i'm amy klobuchar and i will deval patrick is dropping out of beat donald trump. [ cheers and applause ] the race, former governor of massachusetts who never -- got >> southern hospitality, joe in late and never really got his biden's shocking single-digit sea legs, if you will, in this collapse has him hoping for race.
southern comfort in a more for a lot of people and we don't diverse south carolina. have a diverse field anymore in >> it ain't over. the democratic party. we're just getting started. our votes count too. kimberly atkins, amy klobuchar does represent a woman who's a >> and the tuesday night moderate, a midwesterner, who has won in red parts of massacre. four career federal prosecutors minnesota, who has won every resign in protest after the president leans on his attorney race she's ever won. general to lighten the sentence this was part of her pitch last night as she was introducing herself to a lot of americans. for trump's convicted campaign >> i stand before you today as a adviser roger stone. >> this is not the way the department of justice is supposed to work. granddaughter of a teacher and a ♪ newspaper man. as the first woman elect today the u.s. senate from the state of minnesota and a candidate for >> and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington, back from new president of the united states. hampshire. the three top democratic [ cheers and applause ] candidates are now in an frenzy >> if you want a nominee who can stand up to donald trump on that debate stage, which you well know i can do, i need your votes. >> kimberly atkins, how good a
race. bernie sanders was taking heat sales pitch is that? over his medicare for all plan >> yeah, she proved in both new which they say will call them their union benefits, while pete hampshire and in iowa that she buttigieg has to prove himself, can compete. as does amy klobuchar who is that she put probably some fears scrambling to raise money and hire staff in a state that she's to rest about whether a woman barely visited. all this plus the shadow of mike could compete. she got twice as many votes as bloomberg and the ads looming elizabeth warren and the two of over the race. them together still got a sizable amount of that joining me now, steve kornacki, electorate. but she still has yet to prove still at the board, still on his that she can compete in more feet, jim messina, david jolly diverse states like south carolina, nevada, and she has less money than the other candidates which makes it and kimberly atkins. tougher. she announced that she's doing a steve, i don't know how you're doing it. let's talk about these results seven-figure ad buy in nevada to keep up that momentum, but it's because it was pretty extraordinary. still a big open question as the >> listen, we have a fun night. electorate gets more diverse and we got real results, a little as the field, as you point out, departure from iowa. and what you see here, andrea, gets less diverse. not 100% yet, but close. it's only one candidate of color this will be the closest left in the democratic field and democratic primary in new
hampshire history, closest new that's tulsi gabbard. hampshire democratic primary. before most brown and black if you extended this out to voters have cast their first decimal points, it's a point and vote. a half separating buttigieg from it's a new challenge for not sanders. sanders does get the win.s thino just klobuchar but pete buttigieg to show they have a wider appeal than just the white voters, the more affluent voters get to 20% and elizabeth warren and joe biden, look at that, and those who cater -- who are both back in single digits. looking for that midwestern feel before last night, the worst that amy klobuchar has been candidate for massachusetts had ever done in a new hampshire promoting. >> and just to put a point on presidential primary was second place. a lot of them had just won. this, deval patrick says he's and here's elizabeth warren buried back in single digits and not suspending his commitment to the former vice president, joe help, but he's suspending his biden, behind her even fifth campaign. place for him at 8%. he's decided to do that so much of the support we had immediately because he just did seen in polls for warren and not see a practical way to go biden in the closing days of this new hampshire race, it onto the next round of voting. migrated to klobuchar and to thanks so much to all of you. buttigieg and gave each of them a shot there within striking distance of sanders. steve kornacki, jim messina, if you look at this and you're david jolly, kimberly atkins, thanks to you. buttigieg, you're saying, could some of that last minute support and of course kristen welker on that went to klobuchar instead the road. coming up, is the attorney
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because being effective means getting results. nevada. jim messina, when they're facing the challenge of nevada, you have bernie sanders last night being told that they're not going to support him because of their opposition to his health care plan and you've got amy klobuchar trying to, you know, hire staff, create an organization that she doesn't have in nevada. it's tough. pete buttigieg has more money than she does as well. >> yeah, the challenges for amy are real. we've awarded just under 1.5% of the delegates here. iowa and new hampshire were really about getting rid of a bunch of candidates. you had two people drop out last night. now we go to nevada and south carolina which look more like america, right? 40% of all voters are minority voters in the general election and we're finally going to have those votes counted and represented and the question for klobuchar, for mayor pete is can they do well with this group?
and that's kind of going to be what i'm watching in the next few days. if you're a dem, after last night, steve talked about two numbers that are crucial for me, the first is turnout, it's a very big deal that turnout is higher than 2008. that shows you a base and a party that is united and excited, and the second number career prosecutors and that i think people need to former justice department watch is, over 55% of voters officials are outraged by what voted for a moderate candidate. they're calling an unprecedented they said the most important interference in high profile issue is who can beat donald cases involving the president's trump and that -- if you're looking at that number, the big allies by attorney general william barr. number, the big winner last night could be mayor bloomberg a politicalization rivaling as he gets ready for this watergate. unbelievable spending that's about to come our way. he's making a case that he's the four prosecutors handling the case of the president's best candidate. political adviser, roger stone, we're in early days and it's going to be very interesting have resigned in an action moving forward. >> and what about the harry reid reminiscent of the saturday machine? we haven't heard where harry reid is going to land, the night massacre, joining me now chuck rosenberg and matt miller. former majority leader, powerful force that helped hillary welcome both. clinton beat bernie sanders four
matt, this -- some of us were years ago out there, jim? >> yeah, it's really true. covering politics for the last there are real machines in 48 hours or longer and we were up in new hampshire and all of a sudden we see these headlines nevada. the culinary workers who took a coming. i've covered roger stone for 40 big shot at senator sanders is another big piece here. years. when you get into democratic this is a man who was convicted, states with real constituencies, you start to see some of the he was very much involved online endorsements matter, some of in social media and suggesting these elected officials support, that he was very heavily and i bet there's a bunch of calls today going to harry reid involved in the campaign and his denials to the contrary were not and other folks as we get ready believed by a jury of his peers. to go into nevada. because people like amy and pete the sentencing guidelines were haven't campaigned there as much as other candidates have. you have vice president biden who really needs a good night. fully within the sentence that you have bernie trying to was proposed were fully within the sentencing guidelines. continue his momentum. am i wrong? so nevada is going to be >> you are not. it's hard to overstate how incredibly interesting as we -- as this race starts to define unusual, unprecedented and how itself. inappropriate this action was by and there's a couple of the justice department. candidates that really need a it's one thing for there to be a good night in nevada to continue disagreement inside the the rational for them department about what the continuing. appropriate sentence ought to be >> well, joe biden, in fact, has that can happen behind closed doors. it can be among career officials said that he keeps focusing on south carolina because of the and political officials.
but once the department has made diverse community, the its filing and after the president has tweeted about it african-americans who support and said that an ally of his, him there. not so much on nevada. who was convicted of lying to congress to protect the can he last to south carolina if president, remember he was lied he gets beaten badly in nevada? about his relationship with the trump campaign, for the >> well, look, it's been said president to say that sentencing it's his fire wall. recommendation which was within i think joe biden knows that. the guidelines, in a department of justice that has withdrawn it is intriguing, though, what the guidance from the obama administration said, we want type of momentum will shift coming out of nevada because prosecutors to follow the guidelines and they should not this is actually going to be a very important state, third in the process, because it will depart downward. for the department to pull back test the medicare for all that filing and look like whether it was true or not, but candidates verse those like pete who say medicare for all who give the appearance that they want it. are following the president's and the reason why, it's a perfect set up for this debate, orders, the brazenness of that, recall that when mayor pete came out on medicare for all who wan to know it's going to appear that way and not care and do it anyway, i think that's why you saw these four prosecutors, three of them leave the case and one resign from the justice department in protest. >> chuck? >> matt is right. highly unusual. i can't recall seeing anything like it. nothing that is even close, andrea. to add one thing to what matt said, we have to be two things
in the united states department of justice, we have to actually be fair, we have fair outcomes and we have to be perceived as fair, right? if we just have fair outcomes but we're not perceived as fair, we're not doing our work and we don't have the support of the country and the citizens. even if there's a fair outcome and i imagine there will be, it will -- >> who has been criticized by the president on twitter. >> and is probably grown up enough to ignore it and put it to the side. no matter what she does now, there's a chance that it won't be perceived as fair and that's because the president and his justice department have corrupted or tainted how we now view this case. almost whatever she does, people will wonder if she's in on one side or the other. did she go too hard to prove her point or not hard enough because the president threatened her? by putting judges and
prosecutors and really what i think is an untenable position, call into question the fairness of the proceeding. >> this is an attorney general who's under suspicion for the durham investigation, the investigation into the origins of the investigation into the russian connection in the campaign. there are so many instances here. what about the u.s. attorney? that's another one. >> when you look at what happened in the two weeks leading up to this filing, i think it's concerning. jesse lu was a highly respected individual. she was nominated for another position. she was expected to serve out her tenure until she was confirmed for that position. she suddenly, nine days ago, stepped down, without warning so the attorney general or at least the immediately afterwards, the attorney general appointed someone from his personal staff to be the acting u.s. attorney and that's worrisome because of
the cases that this office manages. it's not just the stone case. there's the mike flynn case where that office recently changed its recommendation from jail time to saying that probation would be appropriate. they're handling a leak investigation into jim comey that appears to be based on a thin predicate, the andy mccabe case, where it appears they went to the grand jury and the grand jury declined to indict. you would see the department decline to moveeaandy mccabe. they haven't done that. they're handling the case of he's a close ally of the president -- >> and brother -- >> and brother of the education secretary betsy devos. when the attorney general and president are moving the u.s. attorney off this position to put in a crony of the attorney general and in his first real act on the job, he signs off on this new filing, backing away from the filing he signed the day before, it's very concerning
given what else that office has to deal with. >> and the president said i didn't talk to justice. he doesn't have to. we didn't mention something that's going on in the intelligence community where time is running out on the acting dni because of -- he's still acting and you can be in acting for so many months. and we don't know who is going to replace, there's also talk of one of the president's very supportive congress members from house intelligence. you as an fbi veteran know just how important it is to have the intelligence community not be compromised. >> absolutely. and you want serious people in place and you want the workforce to know that there's going to be some continuity and stability. acting officials are not necessarily a bad thing unless you're doing it, right, for purposes of -- >> the president said i like acting. i have more control that way. >> unless you're doing it for o
workforce. let me add one very thin silver lining to this. >> please. >> it's thin. i said over and over that the men and women at the base of the pyramid of the department of justice, the career federal prosecutors, agents, are not political. they don't think in political terms and they don't work in political terms and if you push them in a political direction, you're going to get a very strong reaction from them. i hate the fact that these prosecutors resign from the case and in one instance resign from the department, but that's what you're going to see when they're pushed. they're not going to capitulate. and i hate what happened to them, but i'm proud of them for doing that. >> that's what we've seen at the state department and other places. great to see you both. thank you very much. great to have your expertise. chuck rosenberg, matt miller. what does the strong showing from moderates like amy klobuchar and pete buttigieg in new hampshire mean for michael
sights on super tuesday states instead of the upcoming nevada and south carolina contests. just one poll away from making the next debate stage, he hasn't appeared at a debate yet. but bloomberg is facing more controversy over a new york city police program that was ruled unconstitutional for discriminating against minorities. bloomberg has apologized for the stop and frisk program. but now an audio tape posted by a bernie sanders supporter and retweeted by the president before it was deleted has caused the former mayor to apologize once again for frailing to realize the impact. joining me now, tim o'brien. this is a new rule. you wrote the book on donald trump. arguably, you're a good adviser to help mike bloomberg figure out how to challenge donald trump in this campaign. let's talk about bloomberg's
chances as we've seen the results from new hampshire. you've got more than 50% of the vote was in the moderate lane. does that improve or hurt his chances because now you've got arguably two other candidates who might be viable, rather than mike bloomberg coming to the rescue? >> well, you know, andrea, our theory from the beginning is mike bloomberg is best positioned in this field to unite various factions of the democratic party that need to come together to beat donald trump in november. nobody has his governing experience. nobody has his skill set. nobody has an organization built nationally with the sense of purpose that ours does. that's why he's rising in the polls. there's been a cartoonish reliance at this point to just say, well, he's -- he's ahead because of a big ad spend when he's ahead because she's got an incredible personal story and a set of public policies that directly have an effect on the
well-being of americans who want to vote for him. >> well, you've got -- you've got mike bloomberg coming into this race with all this money. amy klobuchar without money is campaigning practically door to door. she's in new hampshire, iowa, all over the place. she represents the midwest. she's a woman. pete buttigieg is from the midwest also. they've been working hard for more than a year now and arguably have an ax to grind against somebody who comes in and has all that -- all that money for campaign ads. >> well, i appreciate that they've been working hard for a year, both of them. we admire both of them. the reality is mike bloomberg has been working hard for five decades. he's not coming into this as a novice. we have a national footprint. we're in over 45 states and territories. we have 2,000 people on the ground. i think the democratic party realizes that to be competitive right now, they have to campaign nationally against donald trump. mike bloomberg is a god send to
this race because he's reinvigorating the financial resources of the party and its organizational app apparatus at time when it would be outgunned. we've said that this big machine that we're building will be at the foot of the party even if it's not mike because mike sees this election as the culmination of his life's and he is not coming into it as a novice. he has more governing experience than anybody else competing right now. he's campaigned in over two dozen states. and the reason he's rising in the polls is because we're laser focused on the bread and butter issues americans care about, access to higher quality health care, better education, jobs that are true avenues into the middle class, and the recognition that it's going to be a referendum on competence and character both of which donald trump is lacking in and
which mike bloomberg has an abundance. that's why he's taking off in the polls. >> let me ask you about stop and frisk because that's still an issue and the other is the bernie sanders argument, that this is a stop bernie movement and that it's fueled by a billionaire, you know what bernie has to say about the billionaires and billionaires. >> well, on stop and frisk, we will say what we have always said since mike's candidacy began, stop and frisk was a mistake. mike regrets it. he stood by it for too long and it pains him deeply that anyone would think stop-and-frisk designs who he is as an individual or a candidate. it also does not reflect the totality of mike's time as mayor and as a citizen of the world which is not lost on voters of color either. when he was in new york, it wasn't just about stop-and-frisk. he started an outreach program
for men of color. he diversified the nypd, he had the most progressive immigration policy of any big-city mayor. none of that is a mark of a white racist. he's spent his life looking at programs and solutions that empower people of color. i think it's convenient -- sorry, go ahead. >> and if you could respond to bernie, and whether this is part of a stop bernie movement. >> our movement is a stop donald trump movement and we are fortunate that we have the best tool in the world to stop donald trump in the person of mike bloomberg both in terms of his organizational aptitude, personal history, sense of strategic purpose and the reality that across the whole party, mike bloomberg is going to be the unifier at a time when people need to unify in order to
beat donald trump. mike bloomberg cares about many of the same policies bernie sanders does. the difference is, mike wants to be transparent with taxpayers about what it will cost. he wants the math to add up and he doesn't want to finance it with seashells and balloons. >> tim o'brien, thank you so much, from the bloomberg campaign. >> thank you, andrea. >> thank you. and coming up, the art of retaliation. president trump continuing his campaign of retribution. stay with us on "andrea mitchell reports." mitchell reports. quid. can it one up spaghetti night? it sure can. really? can it one up breakfast in bed? yeah, for sure. thanks, boys. what about that? uhh, yep! it can? yeah, even that! i would very much like to see that. me too. introducing new tide power pods. one up the toughest stains with 50% more cleaning power than liquid detergent. any further questions? uh uh! nope! one up the power of liquid with new tide power pods.
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>> and so we sent him on his way to a much different location and the military can handle him any way they want. general millie has him now. i congratulate general millie. he can have him. and his brother also. we'll find out what happens -- we'll find out. >> vindman's twin brother also at the nsc was removed from the white house and was not even part of the impeachment process. now reports that a defense department official who questioned the freeze on aid to ukraine will have her nomination withdrawn for the job of pentagon controller. joining me now, robert costa from "the washington post" and michael crowley, white house correspondent for the "new york times." welcome all, ashley, this is so blatant that it's it shall is it becoming normalized that people can be retaliated against even
though under all sorts of rules and regulations, they're not supposed to be if they follow orders and a subpoena by the house? >> it's blatant, brazen, it's increasingly routine, but it is not surprising. this is the way the president had behaved since just about when he took office. what you're seeing now, though, the is a president who is emboldened and he's making no pretense about what he's doing. and sometimes even when he does make up pretense, other people say the quiet part outloud. you had his son donald trump jr. tweeting out the other day thanking chairman schiff for doing such a good job of investigating, saying you showed us who we needed to fire and in talking to people in the white house, there's not a lot of concern. they understand that this is who they work for, that this is how he behaves and it's something that these remaining people
generally are okay with. >> robert, what about congress? the house democrats are complaining. with the senate having behaved has they did, it's unlikely that anything is going to happen in terms of lack of congressional oversight over these kinds of behaviors. >> i was just talking with some of my top sources, including one of them -- one of the democratic senators, richard blumenthal of connecticut, a member of the senate judiciary committee, he said minutes ago he went up to senator graham and asked, will you be having oversight hearings, will you be pushing for any kind of accountability and he said he did not get a commitment from senator graham about moving forward in any away. just got off the phone with jeff flake and he said he doesn't see any appetite in the republican party to push back against the president. why? the president has immense political capital with republican voters. >> and michael crowley, what about the impact on decision-making on the
intelligence community, on the justice department, with all of these retaliatory measures? >> that's the problem, andrea. it's very hard to have total loyalty and the best advice and expertise. by its nature, good decision-making and good policymaking means that you're going to have people telling you things that you don't want to hear, people who have not dedicated their entire careers to your political advancement and survival. you're going to have to have people with different viewpoints and that will include different political preferences. that's what our entire system of career, bureaucrat policymaking is about. and to the degree that the president is trying to purge people he sees as political enemies, discourage anyone who might have a different view from bringing it to him or even staying in government, that's very dangerous because that can
distort the information and opinions that are coming to a president who every day is making life and death, war and peace decisions, including right now, for instance, confronting the prospect of a global epidemic. >> and let's talk about the long-term effect, ashley, on this president. is there any price to pay for this in terms of public opinion politically? >> that's a great question. we don't entirely know yet. i don't think i've seen any polls that test exactly this. but i think that's the one thing that is clear, if there is going to be a price, it is going to be with public opinion. as bob was just saying, it's not going to be with republican senators pushing back on him. it's certainly not going to be within his own agencies or his own advisors who he has kept off kilter by giving these acting title and making them never
dissent or feel comfortable dissenting publicly or privately. there's a world where maybe the public gets frustrated with this. but three years in, there have been things that have shifted public opinion away from the president and this has not been one of those things. >> ashley parker, robert costa, michael crowley, thanks to all. who is looking like the best candidate to unite democrats? tom perez joins me next. stay with us, you're watching msnbc. quickbooks, and a live bookkeeper's helping customize it for our business. (live bookkeeper) you're all set up! (janine) great! (vo) get set up right with a live bookkeeper with intuit quickbooks.
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if you want to compare this company to what took place in 2008 between barack obama and hillary clinton, this has been a very genteel campaign. >> you're not concerned about -- >> here's what i believe. i believe that we have candidates out there strong candidates that make their point of view. their supporters are going to fight and everything else. it's called democracy. >> kristen welker with bernie sanders who won narrowly the new hampshire primary. joining me now tom perez, democratic national committee chair. >> good to be with you.
>> the good news for you guys was turnout. >> absolutely. we're at over 294,000 people turned out. that exceeds 2008 which was the high water mark. >> that was 287. >> 287 and 294 -- 298. 294 in 2020. turnout of women 55% were women. primary, 44% were women. women have won us elections, and i anticipate in november roughly 54% of the electorate are going to be women with every passing day this president is turning even republican women into democratic voters. >> well, you've got more than 50% if you combine buttigieg and klobuchar and some of the other candidates in that moderate lane. is that a rejection of bernie sanders and the liberal or
progressive voters who are the most energetic, the most passiona passionate, and how do you deal with them if they are rejected? >> i don't look at it that way. i look at it as the remarkable enthusiasm that we have for all of our candidates. >> you're fragmented. you're coming out of new hampshire without a clear front runner. bernie sanders had the narrowest victory margin of any democratic winner in new hampshire in history. and he four years ago had the biggest margin of victory. he's lost support in the last four years and you have three people bunched together. you have a trio of people very different candidates going forward. >> well, we've now allocated i think 65 delegates. you have to get to 1991. we have a deep bench. this reminds me of 199 2. you had an incumbent president, far higher ratings than this
president. there was a lot of angst at this point in the primary cycle. the other side was disparagingly calling the democratic field the seven dwarves. we had incredible energy and enthusiasm and the democrats won. >> you also had a three-way race. >> this race will eventually narrow down. the voters are still kicking the tires. we are now moving to states that are more zers. we have to give the opportunity for the diversity of the democratic party to weigh in, and i think the candidate who wins the election is going to be the candidate who does the best job of really bringing together that broad coalition that is, indeed, the democratic party. >> is it or will it be bernie sanders who can tap into that broad base and keep this going as long as anyone is standing? how do you bring the party
together across this ideological divide? >> well, you know, i think the real thing that folks understand is that what unites us exceeds our differences. there's no divide on the need to ensure that people with preexisting conditions keep their health care or the need to ensure we hold pharmaceutical companies accountable to lower the cost of prescriptions down. the differences between the democratic party candidates and donald trump whoever the nominee is, are 100%. >> except that he's united the party. it's now the trump party. he has incredible advantages in terms of his online presence, the machine he's collected, and you've got a divided party with -- well, let me put that to rest and let me ask you one quick question at the end. is it time now to stop this business of iowa and new hampshire?
>> we're going to have that conversation. and we have to have that conversation. >> i mean, i'm not going to ask about the iowa caucus. >> the schedule. >> primaries and caucuses, the other question, you look at the most recent national polling, and what we see there is that every one of these candidates that are still in the race beats donald trump head to head. so this notion that we're a party divided, we are having really important conversations now about issues. and we have remarkable depth of candidates. and at the end of the day, every single candidate has taken an enthusiastic pledge to support who the nominee is, because they know it's not about them. it's about defeating donald trump and taking back our democracy. >> tom perez, democratic national chairman to be continued. we'll be right back. continued. we'll be rhtig back. attentions veterans with va loans,
and chris jansing picks up our coverage in new york. >> hey there, andrea. good to see you. thank you so much. i am chris jansing. the 2020 delegate race is on, and today as our political unit puts it, it's just way too early to declare front runners. get out your calculators. here's where we are now. bernie sanders pulled out a tight win ahead of pete buttigieg, but they are neck and neck in the early delegate count. after two states