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play this all week. >> not until marissa tomay won best actress award. >> you're critical. >> i've got to stop right now because i guarantee you maris a tomay did more to win an academy award. >> this is hypocritical to criticize the people who said ha-ha-ha about chicago and now you're saying it's not right that the president won the nobel peace prize. we should be happy for our president. >> that has nothing to do with absolutely anything. >> no. congratulate him. >> okay. i don't hate peace. i guess we should be excited that the president's won the same award that yasser arafat won and jimmy carter won. >> al gore. >> and jimmy carter won. of course, jimmy carter won for providing a framework by which
the north koreans could cheat and provide nuclear weapons. al gore won because he was critical of george w. bush. come on, mika. >> why not michael moore? >> seriously, can you ever think of a nobel peace prize winner that has won this award for doing less than described? >> the best thing you can say about this is it's premature. you know, throughout his time as a national figure, international figure, barack obama has been criticized for being just about just words, just rhetoric. he seems to have won one of the most prestigious awards in the world for just rhetoric. >> except it's not prestigious anymore. >> really? bigger than people's choice? >> no, i would much rather win a people's choice. >> i'm happy for our country. >> or a webby even. think about it. this is an organization that has awarded barack obama this award, despite the fact that he's done
nothing to deserve it yet. they gave it to jimmy carter because he attacked george w. bush. they gave it to al gore because he attacked george w. bush. they gave it to harold penter because he hated america. but who did they not give it to? >> george w. bush. >> who did they not give it to? >> they did not give it to ronald reagan, a man that was more responsible for moving this away from the nuclear holocaust than any other leader of our time, and supposedly that's what this -- come on, mika. it's a joke. >> we'll talk about more. >> i'm not saying that he's not going to deserve it in a year or two or three or four. but you know what? world leaders are complaining quietly after they talk to the president that he tells them nothing. we hear one report after another, whether it's sarkozy in france or merkle in germany that he talks a good game but there's
never any follow-up and you're going to give him a nobel peace prize for talking a good game? that's not me. that's world leaders that want him to lead. maybe he will. >> this is a top story in news. >> i see now he won it in the rhetoric category. >> oh! >> nobel peace prize for rhetoric. >> we're going to talk more about charlie wrangle. >> it's about people who are willing to call out just lunacy. speaking of which, savannah is here. >> good morning. speaking of lunacy, we'll be blowing up the moon in just about an hour. we'll have that for you. and also, rush limbaugh questioning your manhood. >> now, let me just say that's ironic, coming from rush limbaugh. >> we'll talk about that. >> let's talk about rush questioning my manhood because -- >> maybe we ought to save that for later. >> we'll save that for 6:30. >> okay. >> it is going to be fun.
>> okay. time now for a look at today's top stories, begin that breaking news over night. president barack obama has won the 2009 nobel peace prize. the announcement came just a short time ago from -- now, gentlemen! please, this is wonderful news for our president. the nobel, outrage to the muslim world who becomes the third sitting u.s. president to win the award. in other news this morning, senior administration officials say president obama is accepting the possibility that taliban may play a role in the future of afghan politics. while a final decision on troop levels still may be weeks away, there are signals the president is leaning away from adding a significant number of troops to the fight. is t. administration is looking to focus efforts on al qaeda, more than the taliban. >> there are differences between al qaeda and the taliban. they're not the same type of
group. al qaeda is a global trans national jihadist movement. >> there is mounting political pressure on congressman charlie ra rangel this morning. he disclosed hundreds of thousands of dollars in income. the new york congressman has no business chairing the ways and means committee which writes the nation's tax laws. >> speaker pelosi and house democrats, once again voted to protect charlie rangel. but for the first time, two rank in file democrats broke ranks and voted with us. i think this is a clear sign that democrat leaders' efforts to sweep this under the rug is starting to crack he should step aside until the ethics committee xloeted its work. >> all right. with portions of the patriot act set to expire in december, they
will tackle that controversial law. new provisions would extend counter terrorism provisions including wiretaps, access to business records and expand the government's ability to track -- >> wait, wait, wait. i thought the patriot act was evil. the democrats said it was evil. they're passing it. they're reauthorizing it. but it's bad, isn't it? all the wiretapping? why would they do such a thing if it was evil? >> it is kind of like getting moistmic. >> we're going to close it down in a year. >> they're doing what they can. >> they are doing what they can. unfortunately, that's not a problem they started. neither is the patriot act. untangle the web. >> okay.
they could be hypocritical. >> no, they have to deal with reality but it's a reality that they're not responsible for. >> you're blaming george bush. >> if the moon cracks today -- >> no. arrogant administration officials who decided to make it their way or the highway. >> like jeb said, your kids are sick today, you blame it on george w. bush. they are flying this thing in the moon today, if it cracks in half, you're blaming george w. bush. he's in houston golfing today. >> i don't blame him for that. maybe it's bush that obama won the peace prize. >> he's very excited about that. >> i think it's nice news. >> i'm glad you do. >> meantime, the house expanded a hate crimes bill to cover sexual orientation. the law would make a federal crime to assault people because they are gay or lesbian. the legislation is expected to pass the senate in part because it's attached to a key defense policy bill. in less than an hour and a half, nasa will be returning to
the moon, bombing it. >> that george bush! >> the agency plans to crash an unmanned rocket into the lunar surface to see if the satellite can pick up traces of ice. although it's been more than 40 years since apollo 11 force landed on the moon, scientists admit we really know very little about it. >> we went, we came, we saw, we concurred and we realized what we didn't know. that's why we're going back. >> discovery of water is a complete game changer because it means we don't have to carry our water with us. water is essential to live. >> we're going to have live coverage of the moon bombing coming up at 7:30 eastern time right here on "morning joe." >> that's big. that's huge. >> that should be fascinating. >> great day for a moon news. >> we're going to carry that live. countdown to it. >> it will be exciting. >> do we have a countdown clock?
>> we'll put one up. there it is. >> you are kidding me. >> that's kind of embarrassing. >> cnn things where i'm like captain kirk, fake scan, hologram where they scan you on the moon or something? >> ad lib the bombing. >> an hour and 20 minutes. >> it's going to be fascinating. >> i'm going to have to ask you to take that clock off right now. we really don't give a damn but we care one minute before the moon blows up. >> i give a damn. i think it's fascinating. >> do people care? >> yes, i care. >> then i care. >> jolly good. >> care about the weather on this friday morning. let's get a check on it with meteorologist from knbc from los angeles. >> you're great. >> you're great. >> i do care about the clock as well. >> good, good. a lot of folks caring about the weather conditions today because it may pose a threat for delays. you can see the map. a lot of activity once again for portions of the southern plains automatic of wait from the gulf
coastal states to the midwest. severe weather also a possibility this morning. look at the lightning markers popping up from texas all of the way through portions of oklahoma and through arkansas. that is stretching all of the way way through the midwest. stay in the low 50s around chicago. the northeast, slight chance of scattered rain showers. not an all-day event. temperature readings in the 60s and 70s. not a cold storm. 81 in washington. but cold stuff dropping down in the northern plains. there will some winter adviso advisories as we head into the weekend. there's a look at your friday forecast. back to you, mika and joe. >> will you come back? >> can i? >> can you because we -- >> i would love to. >> we don't know -- we don't know how the grand jury thing is going to go with bill. he may be sent up the river for a long time. >> cross my fingers. rescue me from california, please. >> okay.
>> thank you very much. great job this week. coming up, we have the moderator of "meet the press" david gregory. we're going to talk more with the breaking news, president obama awarded the nobel peace prize. and later, we're going to get advice from cnbc's suze orman. and sarah palin, they want her help. right after the break. and we're going to talk about rush and your manhood. >> yeah, this is very interesting. >> is this -- why does he question it? >> well, i would -- he might be one of the last people to question my manhood. >> really? >> i just don't think -- he shouldn't go there. >> oh, my goodness. >> you're watching "morning joe" brewed by the nobel peace committee and starbucks. ♪
my eyes say you're -- >> yes, we've all been there. we have all -- okay. actually, no, harry reid has never tried to put his arm around me. >> where is he from? >> nevada, las vegas. >> where is he from? do they do that in search light, nevada. >> it wasn't that bad. >> it wasn't. no, seriously, nancy pelosi is the speak egg of the houer of t. >> yes. >> you don't put your arm around the speaker of the house unless it is invited. that was just -- >> i agree. >> i thought that was just really clumsy. >> it wasn't like he gave her a back rub. >> no, it was like george bush. >> weird. >> okay. >> okay. politico. i want to know what they're leading with this morning. trying to get -- >> a way to find out and that is to talk to the man who i predict
will win the nobel peace prize next year. >> oh, come on. >> safe bet. >> it is a safe bet. here's here with politico's morning playbook. okay. so if i'm running for governor in virginia or new jersey and i'm a republican, do i want sarah palin campaigning with me? jim, you smart fellows at the politico, know the answers to that. what is it? >> heck no, apparently, is the answer because sarah palin has offered to come and campaign, to raise money both for the republican in the virginia race and the new jersey race and they said no. they made it clear they don't want her campaigning there. >> really? >> i think the reason is she's with the independent and swing voters. she remains pretty radio active despite her ability if you put her out in rural areas she could probably turn out a bigger crowd than any single republican in politics today. >> i was going to say if i was running in new jersey no, way. but in virginia i would have her campaigning in dean's hometown
for the next three weeks. are they afraid it makes mcdonald too radio active with the northern virginia voters? >> absolutely. and the thing is, he can play it safe. if you look at "the washington post" poll he's got a comfortable lead. he needs to do well with the swing voters in nrn virginia. they think he's doing fine outside in northern virginia, at least well enough to win the race. whenever sarah palin is attached to anything these days you get a huge crowd and a lot of attention. there's good with that and a lot of bad with that. >> did you see "the washington post," the story on a-16 t analysis of the poll numbers in virginia. >> i did. >> talking about the problems that might cause for democrats down the road. dan said and ann, what did you think about that? >> i thought, one, it's interesting because i do think a lot of people are looking at virginia in particular to figure out if there are any national trends that could be read from it, mostly because it's been a swing state. a lot of people didn't think obama could win, was able to win. if you look -- one of the most
interesting things in that analysis is they're seeing less enthusiasm for african-american voters. clearly something, obama, if he wanted to, could leverage his popularity and his network to turn that out if he wanted to engage more forcefully in virginia. the folks in white house and democratic politics feel this is going to be tough for them to win and they feel like he does not run a good campaign and doesn't necessarily want to be too tightly associated with it. biden will do an event soon, and obama, you can see him there. >> "the washington post" headline, mcdonald, republican candidate, widens his lead. we heard last year that virginia, north carolina were doing purple, going more democratic. republicans are going to look at a win in virginia as news that they've stemmed that tide. of course, deeds we would all agree around the table is a weak democratic candidate. >> weak candidate and also, there's another poll that is
gallup in the last couple of days. we have seen this with polling that show it is you look the generic match-up for house race, republican or democrat, for the first time in a long time you're seeing republicans pull to even. so you're starting to see an environment where republicans have a chance, they have a chance to win back some house seats, win back some senate seats if they don't screw things up or if the environment doesn't change. that doesn't mean it won't change over time but it does show especially in independence there's been a backlash against a lot of the government spending and policies that democrats are nervous about. they're not so nervous that they're pulling back yet. >> this is common, there's a back and forth. the president in his first midterm loses a lot of seats. george w. bush didn't do that in 2002 because it was a year after 9/11. i can't wait for this new wall street movie because i want to hear gordon say, greed is good. is greed good? >> we're saying the obama administration thinks it's not.
what they're doing to do is starting today, start to make another push to try to do financial reregulation this year. they want -- push for this consumer financial protection agency. they're going to see obama give some real life cases to people that were hurt by the economic mess. you're going to see austan goolsbee talking to bloggers today. next week you're going to see a lot of administration officials talking to financial blogs trying to build some support for new regulation. what we're hearing is it's going to be tough to get those done this year. there's even talk it might get pushed into next year. the longer you wait the less momentum and less enthusiasm it is for real strict and tight regulation which i think a lot of democrats face would love to see and a lot of voters beyond that would love to see. >> you know what i'm finding, jim? this is fascinating and something we need to look at over the next couple of years. over the last few election cycles, wealthier americans have been unkcomfortable culturally
with a lot of republican candidates, george w. bush and mccain and sarah palin. they vote democrat. i've been hearing from a lot of wealthier americans that have been voting democratic for cultural reasons, that they're really starting to get turned off by a lot of what they consider the populism from the lift. i won't say anti-capitalism. i'm not sure what the word is. but i think that's something we need to look at. there are a lot of people with a lot of money that has given that money to democrats in the past that are looking for a republican candidate to put their checks behind. i hear it all the time, don't you? >> i hear it a lot from ceos, the last couple of weeks. and they're very concerned. these are ceos who supported obama. they just feel like they're not certain what his economic policy is and not certain looking into next year what his plan is to sort of grow new areas for the economy. they don't see -- you're not going to have government, you're
not going to have credit. you're going to have to figure out something selling outside the u.s. market and they're worried the policies won't help facilitate that. >> jim, thank you so much. appreciate it. have a great weekend. you know, there's always this sort of cartoon caricature that the richest americans write their checks, the republicans, the fact is we know in new york city, the guy on wall street and women down on wall street that make the most money, again, culturally they feel disconnected from the republican party that is southern, too evangelical for their taste so they've been writing huge checks for the democrats. that's up in the air. they're looking for a republican candidate. i just don't know if they can find one. >> for sure. and a lot of it might be from the discourse that we've seen in washington. and it's really been very divisive of late. that doesn't just stay in washington. san francisco politician is in hot water for slurs that he said to california governor arnold schwarzenegger at a fund-raiser
earlier this week. kmtv's vickity nguyen reports. >> reporter: listen for yourself. democratic assembly man among the hecklers booing the governor when he surprised them at a fund-raiser. >> said, you know, there's probably not run republican in this room. and then arnold walks in. and all hell breaks loose. that was the feeling. >> reporter: raccoon caught the verbal chaos on tape including his term for gays. he has used this phrase before but it didn't sit well with willie brown that said while the governor was an unexpected guest, he was definitely invited. >> it's not like he was looking for a place to go. give me a break. he's not run for anything. >> reporter: brown says his comments were inappropriate and counterproductive. with the governor considering the harvey milk bill. but he said the governor didn't give it any second thoughts. >> he didn't give it any
thought. we politicians are not concerned about juvenile conduct. >> reporter: racqoon said that was the general comment. and governor schwarzenegger said he endured much worse when he engaged democratic maria shriver. most are chalking it up to politics as usual. >> it's no big deal, it's politics. they could be friends tomorrow. maybe they're already having dinner tonight together. >> oh, that's great. coming up, health care's budget news. does the cbo score bring us any closer to a final bill? >> there's a real fight going on now. some people are saying that smoke and mirrors, the cbo. >> the numbers are interesting. we're going to get insight from msnbc political analyst lawrence o'donnel o'donnell. plus, a look at the morning paper from around the country, and i'm stunned at those words. >> what words? >> i can't even say it on the air. >> neutered moderate for being
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first, let's hear the news. >> as there should be. 6:30 on the east coast. time for top stories. breaking news this morning. in a unanimous decision, president obama has been awarded the 2009 nobel peace prize, according to the nobel committee he was honored for his, quote, extraordinary efforts to straent then international diplomacy and cooperation. 205 candidates were in the run for this year's prize. >> hear hear. >> really nice news. you're having a good morning because you're getting it from rush limbaugh. >> yes. >> and from the white house. >> what? >> savannah, white house correspondent. >> i defended the white house. >> not this morning. >> today, things are a little different. white house not loving you this morning. >> so we have to pick one side and stick with it. okay. okay. so, savannah guthrie, you are white house kaernt. >> i am. >> the white house sent out a statement regarding my conduct this morning. >> well, i did get an e-mail from an unnamed white house
official. here it is. >> this is a powerful guy. >> senior administration official. joe, stop being such an a-hole. >> did he say "a"? >> no, all written out. all written out here. >> oh. >> apparently got a couple of those e-mails. >> rush says i'm a moderate -- neutered moderate and the white house says i'm a -- >> they're kidding. you are kind of a jerk. >> standard day. but i get the feeling that -- >> all i want is to love. >> to be understood. >> no, you were being naysayers this morning. this is great new. great news for the president on the world stage. >> we're proud of him. we are not going to be of tnl of people -- >> say you're proud of your country and your president. >> i'm proud of my country and my president. >> good. >> but, but, but before he wins awards, i want him to do something. by the way, you owe an apology to marissa tomei.
by the way, ever seen her in the bedroom? wow! anybody ever see that? >> rent the dvd. >> oh, my gosh. amazing. sissy spacek. great movie. >> "the washington post," emerging goal for africghanista. they include the taliban cannot be eliminated as a political or military movement no matter how many troops we send into battle. >> and the washington times, the white house calls joe scarborough. >> no. they're joking. >> committees overseeing war policies say, they back the military's request for troop buildup in afghanistan, this despite house speaker nancy pelosi and congress won't support deploying more troops. the dollar fell to a 14-month low against other currencies on wednesday and the dollar is down nearly 12% against most other major currencies since president obama took office. atlanta journal constitution, federal government is preparing a report this month
on how many jobs have been created or saved through stimulus spending. >> the "new york times," big story out of manhattan, the son of the late philanthropist has been convicted of stealing tens of millions of dollars from his mother as she suffered from alzheimer's in the final stages. >> since he's an astor, you know him? >> i do know him. >> "boston globe," after dominating the angels in the postseas postseason, anaheim strikes first. they just pummeled the red sox in game one. you know what, you get two more games. enjoy this year because they're going back to boston. josh beckett gets it, that's good. a lot going on. coming up next, chuck todd, talk about this morning's breaking news, obama awarded the nobel peace prize. >> yeah! >> also. go ahead. >> and this morning's must read
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boy, he's in trouble. >> who is that? >> chuck todd. remember last week chuck said that if barack obama won the nobel peace prize he was going to shave his goatee? >> he did not say that. >> i was there. >> savannah, did you hear him say that? >> i had the recording devices going, too. >> he said he was going to root for alabama every week, for the rest of the year. >> it's from the white house. nbc chief white house correspondent, nbc news political director, chuck todd. chuck? >> big news, chuck. >> i mean, this is -- this is
why you have the beard. you can sit there and just scratch it and ponder, you know, really just be a thinker. >> what does your beard tell you about the president receiving the nobel prize? >> that europeans have endorsed the american presidency. i mean, it is -- i don't know how else to look at it because your first instinct and your first response, mine was this morning, was for what? you know, you haven't done anything yet. andic my guess is that's how the white house will end up responding to this because, talk about adding to the expectations, i mean, this guy, the burden of expectation now. okay, this means you better figure out middle east peace. you're a nobel peace prize winner. you better be able to get iran to disarm. i mean, it is, in many ways, talk about something that -- probably aspire to. every president aspires to it. but assuming it's a list of
accomplishments that you would get awarded to. the nobel committee over the last 20 to 30 years has gotten aggressive to sort of almost use the peace prize to make political statements. >> you know, with mark, we're joking but there isn't a lot of upside here. >> the upside is the european community is embracing this president and saying we like the direction that he is taking this country in and it's drastically different. >> the upside is the nobel prize committee that has had suspect selections in the past has just befuddled a lot of people across the world. >>ry predict that he will find a way to basically turn it down. i think he is going to say, i share this with the world. i don't think he'll embrace this. there is no upside. >> the damage is done. >> chuck todd? >> reporter: you're right, will he go to stockholm to pick it up? what does he do with the money. you get a million dollars. you get over a million dollars for winning this. >> that's pretty good.
. great contest. >> mark's probably right. he'll figure out some way of accepting this in another form, not on his own behalf. >> yeah. let's look at some op-eds this morning. >> let's do that. we'll start with charles, young hamlet agony, "washington post." against emanuel and biden and general david petraeus, the foremost, he saved iraq with it. and stanley mccrystal, whose recommendations would you rely on? less than two months ago, august 17th, in front of an audience of veterans the president declared afghanistan to be a war of necessity. does anything he says remain operative beyond the fading of the audience applause, he asks. >> chuck, will nose words, war necessity, come back to haunt the president? >> you know, i don't think so in
that -- i mean, he's -- >> it requires him to double down, does it not? war of necessity? >> it certainly requires him not to pull out. i mean, i think that's the -- that's why if you noticed that's the option that's off the table. if anything, the band of choices is much more narrow. it's stay in afghanistan to a point and reconfigure the amount of troops that you have there now, and then do this counter terrorism strategy in places like somali and all those other places and add the troops. but i tell you, two weeks ago i was convinced all of this was about hand wringing to left the left know that he's putting a lot of thought into it and that he doesn't want to do this but he has no choice but to reluctantly give mccrystal his troops. now it does seem it's a real debate inside that white house and there is a chance that he doesn't get the troops. but i'll tell you this.
whatever decision he makes, one thing i think we shouldn't pay attention to right now in afghanistan are polls about it. because he'll get the benefit of the doubt on this one early. right? when he makes the decision and comes out, does an oval office address, he'll get -- particularly from the folks that are most suspect of adding any troops or doing anything. and that's folks on the left. he'll get an immediate sort of bump in the poll ratings on that issue and on that. now, a year from now, two years from now, if troop deaths have gone up, that's a whole other story. initially, all presidents get a benefit of the doubt early on a foreign policy decision like this. >> all right. chuck, hey, we're getting back to your 7:15? >> thank you, chuck. >> i'll see. maybe i'll get rid of the beard by then. >> exciting. >> i hear it's raining awards out there. maybe you will have something to wear. >> stop it. >> i nominate you -- you know, hey, joe, rush attacks me almost
every day as well. >> this is a good one. >> it feels good. >> your manhood? >> you know, it is something else. to know that he does it from a mansion in palm beach. >> be nice. >> all right. thank you so much. >> thank you. talk to you a little bit later. i want to hear this. i must have missed it in my crazy day yesterday with the kids. what did he say? >> i missed it, too. i don't know. let's play it. >> all right. here's rush limbaugh. >> monday morning on "scarborough show" on pmsnbc, scarborough doing his best impression of neutered chickafied moderate. this can't be helpful for our political process. ought to be laughing with glee that obama failed in copenhagen. >> i've been accused of many things, but mardi gras being
chick-afied has never been one of them. i would be careful if i put my testicles in a blind trust for george w. bush for eight years, i would be careful -- >> testicle on "morning joe"? >> may be. >> absolutely not. >> but there are a lot of people on the right that, in fact, did put their testicles in a blind trust for the past eight years. and stopped being conservative and started being apologists. that's about all i'll say, other than -- you remember that scene with george w. bush carrying rush limbaugh's suitcase into the white house? now we know what was inside the suitcase. seriously. you know, this is the thing though. this is what oh none of these people on the right understand. i say they're on the right. they're republicans. they're not conservative. that there is actually a living
record of the past eight years. and while all of these people, these so-called conservatives are such tough, might yrks we're going to stand up to big spending and he's a socialist and he's destroying -- these are the same people that sat quietly by while republicans took $155 billion surplus and turned it into a $1.5 trillion deficit. now, while they were sitting there with their testicles, fourth time, in a blind trust for george w. bush, i was actually still being conservative, criticizing big spending republicans for not being conservative and, may i add, being absolutely eviscerated by these people. people blindly went along with the bailouts because george w. bush did it. but the minute obama did it --
it's ironic, isn't it? so now i guess what you do to prove that you're a real conservative because you weren't a real conservative over the past eight years, you call the president names. >> or other people names. >> if that's the definition of conservative, boom, you enjoy it. i'm conservative and i've been conservative and i've been consistent, well, since i got into politics 15 years ago. >> i would argue that oh we. >> that's the problem. you can ramble all you want and shout to your little choir. the problem is, it's all on the record. i wrote a book in 2004, all right? i predicted this was going to happen. what did i predict in my book in 2004? that if republicans kept spending the way they did, they would bankrupt this country and lose the majority. while you all just sat there saluting blindly. good job. >> and acting now like cartoon
characters. >> oh, real conservatives now, we're going to call him a communist or socialist. >> you have a manicure, though. >> i don't have a manicure. anyway, coming up in a few minutes -- >> interesting. >> fascinating. moderate ef of "meet the press" david gregory and lawrence o'donnell. now yourard comes with a way to plan for what matters to you. introducing blueprint. blueprint is free and only for chase customers. it lets you choose what purchases you want to pay and those you split... interest...with full pay. you decide how to pay over time. if having a plan matters. chase what matters. eate your own blueprint at chase.com/blueprint.
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the red sox have owned the angels in the playoffs in recent years. did you guys see the touchdown last night? it was really different. here's nbc's fred row gwen. >> thank you, and good morning. the l.a. dodgers had more wins in their final at bat than any other treem in the national season. it should come to no surprise they continue that trend into the playoffs. pick it up in the ninth. cards up 2-1. dodgers down to the final out. matt holiday, came over, right? no, wrong. holliday lost the ball and he dropped it. he was safe at second. dodgers had new life. after franklin walked. he came up and ripped a single to center. pinch runner pierre runs to second to score. one of the big nest his career and the dodgers tied it at 2-2. franklin was all over the place. he loaded the bases and another walk. the second pitch, blooped it
into center. blake scored the winning run. dodgers rallied to one down with two out in the ninth to win it, 3-2. rockies, gave colorado a 3-0 lead in the fourth. pitcher hamels gave up four runs in five inning '. leave the game and join his wife heidi who went into delivery with their first child. the phils trailed, 4-3. rockies up, 5-4. lined down to second. colorado will lead the series with a 5-4 win. game three tomorrow night. game one between the red sox and angels, dual until the fifth. hunter took lester, put the angels up 3-0. lackey struck out four out of seven. the angels took game one. game two is tonight. all right, you guys. that's it for me. have a great weekend. coming up, the countdown is on, nasa is less than an hour away from bombing the moon. we'll talk to one of the mad
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>> oh, look at that. isn't it pretty? enjoy it while you can. >> enjoy it while you can. >> good-bye, moon. >> good night, moon. >> good-bye. >> it's good night, moon if you read that to your children. >> i do. >> you have 30 minutes to enjoy the moon here with us now to explain is nasa's chief scientist, james garvin, who is live at the museum where an audience will watch nasa's mission to bomb the moon. it's really good to have you on the show this morning. and explain to us why -- what is the significance of this lunar mission and why the moon is being bombed. >> well, we're going to the moon not actually in a bombing but in a controlled physics experiment to understand what might be lurking in the soil in a place that's so cold we might describe it as colder than pluto. if we actually can excavate, water, ice, and byproducts from this controlled physics experiment we'll learn whether the moon is a science resource
and a human resource for future exploration. >> can i get a wet blan get on this? >> yes. >> what is the cost of this mission? >> well, this mission costs -- which is less than a quarter of -- the possibilities of actually rewriting the textbooks our kids use with this mission is, we think, very high. >> and what -- how likely is it that you will find what you think you will find on the moon? >> the way science works is we ask questions and we have the right tools to address those questions with this -- with this big whack of the moon. what we learn is -- it's really hard to predict. a lot of what we do at nasa is enabling the possibilities. we'll enable the possibilities that we'll see this rich signature of water from this debris cloud of impact. we really don't know what we see. that's why we have the
scientists involved. >> it's going to be very exciting. >> i can't wait. >> i think all science students should be taking a break from school to watch this this morning, right? >> absolutely. their last look at the moon. >> stop it. james, thank you. >> james garvin, thank you so much. >> all right. >> we're saving money on the satellite fee. it only works half the time. >> it doesn't work when you ask him the cost. >> yeah. >> nasa, it's like, they've got a seven-second delay as well. >> so anyway. >> ask that again. >> speaking of, we can't read any e-mails this morning that people are writing about me because people that love the president hate me right now. >> they just don't agree. >> people who love rush limbaugh hate me right now. >> that's true. >> what we're going to do instead is read e-mails about savannah. >> exactly. >> it's the one glimmering spot of positive news. >> totally afraid. >> okay. >> no name on this one. >> that's good. that's usually a great sign. >> anonymous?
>> anonymous. >> savannah is so hot, she could sit there and bitch at you for 7 1/2 minutes straight for like whatever and all you could do is stare at her. when she says, all you can say is thick, filthy hot. >> whoa. can we say that on tv? >> savannah. >> i didn't know my e-mail got through that fast. i was just -- >> wow! >> oh. >> confine it to the awkward hug. >> what is the situation on that? >> hot. >> we're going to say that david axelrod. >> she's been working. >> david axelrod, because he was, you know, journalist for the "tribune." we'll ask him. maybe chris can go sentence by sentence. we're also going to ask david about the nobel prize, right? >> and actually we just learned how the president learned of this. robert gibbs, the press secretary, found out and called the president this morning before 6:00 and woke him up and told him, hey, guess what, you won the nobel prize.
and the president was humbled. >> humbled. >> i'm told. >> wow. >> i don't know. maybe he was just tired because it was early. >> i would want that as a wake-up call. >> just wait until i wake up, tell me then. why do i have to to know that. >> probably thought it was a dream or maybe a nightmare. >> somebody told me that. >> so mark and i, we're a bit -- >> no, i think you were -- >> the president in his first term -- >> overly negative. >> -- any international accomplishments under his belt, thus far, thus far, he could be a great president. he can be a transformational president, we don't know. >> there's been a lot of surprise in the history of this particular award. for me, starting with blood on his hands, henry kissinger. somebody explain that to me. and going forward through. >> yasser arafat. >> i don't know what it is, the nobel politics prize, nobel good
guy prize. i don't know what it is. >> it's weird because jimmy carter won it. he won it. we all know he won it because he was bashing bush. al gore won it for the same reason. and literature, harold penter, a guy that was just violently anti-american, at least in miswritings, won it. it seems to be a political prize. so i don't understand this. >> if you think it's a political prize you should start to understand it. but jimmy carter, you can make the argument did a lot to work on middle east peace. that was a big concentration of his. that's one that i completely get. >> he won it for what he did in north korea, letting north koreans get nuclear weapons. >> but i mean, it then became a weird joke with me with kissinger. i don't get it. >> they don't pick ronald reagan who, i certainly suggest, did more to move us away from the
press. >> who should have gotten the nobel prize or the peace prize this year other than barack obama? >> who has done more for peace in the world than barack obama? i submit that to the table. >> dissidents in china. >> that would be good. >> somebody working relief efforts in africa. >> who works for barack obama, come on. >> far be it for me to put myself ahead of a nobel voter but one possibility is they want to head off a war in iran. they give the peace prize to barack obama and they put it around his neck and it makes it harder for him to engage in military action against iraq. >> they don't want him to do a controlled physics experiment in iran. >> okay. >> i think we thought to point out that the white house has not said, oh, yes, he deserves this.
the president has not been arrogant about this. >> everybody is humbled when they get it. come on. >> i think we have to be very careful. >> great press release, president deserved it. >> about time. >> damn straight, i deserve it. >> i don't think they'll crow about it or highlight it. >> of course not. >> but i think on background they'll say, look, to the extent that we've improved our image abroad, let's leverage that to accomplish our foreign policy goals. >> i think that's the kind of thing -- >> how about how well malia and sasha are getting along. >> domestic peace, world peace. >> i'm just looking for a theory. >> david axelrod is going to be calling in. we're going to ask him. maybe he'll say. >> the record should show though this table did not come up with a name of someone other than barack obama. >> because we haven't been thinking. >> people in china, we don't know where they live and what their names is. >> mitchell. >> mitchell, no.
>> all right. >> you think bono? >> yes. >> he wants free tickets to the u-2 concert. >> i said bono, question mark. i didn't nominate him. >> you said bono. >> no. >> i want to do the news now. >> okay, go ahead. more on that breaking news now, president barack obama has won the 2009 nobel peace prize. the announcement came earlier this morning from oslo, norway. they cited the president's calls to reduce the global stockpile of nuclear weapons and his outreach to the muslim world. he becomes the third sitting u.s. president to win the award nnchtsz other news this morning, senior administration officials say president obama is accepting the possibility the taliban may play a role in the future of afghan politics. while a final decision on troop levels may still be weeks away. there are signals the president is leaning away from adding a significant number of troops to
the fight. the administration is looking to focus efforts on al qaeda more than the taliban. >> there are differences between al qaeda and the taliban. they're not the same type of group. al qaeda is a global trans national jihadist movement. officials in pakistan say at least 41 people are dead following a suicide bombing in a crowded marketplace. the attack ruined more than one other others. it comes as pakistani army prepares to launch a major offensive against insurgents along the afghan border. and there's mounting political pressure on congressman charlie rangel this morning as house ethics committee expands its investigation. it follows rangel's disclosure of hundreds of thousands of dollars in previously unreported assets in income. republicans say the new york congressman had no business chairing the ways and means committee which writes the nation's tax laws.
>> speaker pelosi and house democrats once again voted to protect charlie rangel. but for the first time, two rank in file democrats broke ranks and voted with us. i think this is a clear sign that democrat leaders efforts to sweep this under the rug is starting to crack. chairman rangel should step aside until the ethics committee has completed its work. >> we had lawrence o'donnell on our radio show yesterday. >> he was such a hypocrite. >> what do you know, hypocrite? >> there was a word that, you know what, at the rate we're going this morning it's going to end upcoming out of one of our mouths this morning if we're not careful. it's a word that someone uses for someone that is incredibly weak, pathetic. >> wimpiness. >> i'm going to try to get through today's show. >> charlie rangel, though, didn't pay his taxes. he didn't report -- >> i used to work with charlie
rangel. >> -- $500,000 at least. >> you would love charlie rangel. have you ever met charlie rangel? >> i have. >> loveable man. >> let me ask you. would he be proud of you this morning? you could never -- >> you couldn't torture him into saying a negative word against charlie rangel. he loves charlie rangel, war hero, combat veteran charlie rangel. >> what would he have to do for you to say he shouldn't be chairman of the ways and means? >> it would have to involve my daughter. >> that's loyalty. >> we've had precedence in this particular job before. i mean -- >> you are not going to bring up will. >> i'm going to bring up danny who at this time in the health care crusade of 1994 was under indictment and was chairman of the -- >> that's the standard you want? >> that's the standard i've worked with. >> you want him to be kicked out. >> loved hip. loved him. >> had cash in his drawers.
>> no, it wasn't cash. it was postage stamps. it was the weirdest case ever. >> what's wrong with washington? that's what it should say under your name. >> not yet indicted. >> apologist. >> please. >> such an apologist. it would have to vol yoinvolve daughter good guy, charlie rangel. >> not necessarily chairman. >> i like charlie. >> i like charlie. >> should he what? >> keep his position as chairman. >> that's for the house to decide, i believe. >> a republican and he committed these exact actions, what would you say then if. >> i would have to think about it. i didn't work with any republican members of the house because we didn't walk to them when i was in the senate. >> oh, my gosh. >> you can say he's a great guy. but in any way do you think his actions basically meant that he's not entitled to the privilege of that position anymore? he can still be a great guy but maybe shouldn't have the privilege.
>> look at me into those eyes with that leading question, the closest you can get me to saying something negative about charlie rangel -- look, janice mays writes the staff law. she is the chief in staff of the committee. don't worry about charlie. if charlie goes, janice is still going to be there. janice was writing this law -- >> you're killing me. >> janice is in charge. don't worry. >> go to a break. >> january niice mays is the mo powerful woman in american government and no one knows her name. coming up, chuck todd and david axelrod is coming up. >> right here, it's that kind of mindset -- it's that kind of mindset that's going to win republicans 30 or 40. >> also, we also have suze orman coming up. we're going to be talking to david axelrod about the president's win of the nobel peace prize. he's going to call in, respond to some of the comments made on this set this morning that i
think were overly negative and harsh. >> go usa. >> i'm proud of my country. >> david gregory is with us. chuck todd is back with us. suze orman is going to be with us. somebody will not be with us, the man on the moon. he gets blown to smithereens in just a few minutes. we'll show it to you live. but first, let's get a quick check on the weather. >> with knbc meteorologist, alita? >> good morning, everybody. happy friday to you. we are not looking at any airport delays this morning. that is a good news. showers and thunderstorms continue from the southern plains up through the midwest. it will be a slow go of things for those early morning commuters. have some fun with that truck.
>> i haven't decided to weigh in yet. let's not get -- >> you're the 6'7" inch host of "meet the press" but god forbid you bring home a dog. >> okay, a little defensive there. >> with us now, moderator of nbc's "meet the press," david gregory and nbc news political director, chuck todd. david gregory, breaking news this morning prks the president awakened at 6:00 a.m. to learn he has won the nobel prize for peace. what's your reaction? >> it's a big headline. i think they were pretty surprised in the white house, as well, as a lot of other people looking at this. look, i think this was much more about tone than accomplishment. this was about the nobel
committee, european body, left-leaning european body saying, we like you, we like what you stand for, we like your foreign policy, we like that you're not george bush. and you know, this is sort of endorsing change. almost endorsing the election because ironically the things they point to in the citation, climate change, commitment to do away with nuclear weapons was certainly differences with the bush administration but take iran and north korea and nonproliferation, this administration is following a similar path to the previous bush administration in terms of engagement, although the obama administration has shown a willingness to negotiate more directly with iran. and they're talking about escalating the war in afghanistan. this goes back to the bush administration came in. they had a real aversion to international alliances. they do away with the abm treaty, turn away from the
climate change treaty. then you have the war in iraq. this is really an award for a different direction in for roane p foreign policy that's being validated here. >> the people that have won these awards that george w. bush is now influenced, i'm serious, three nobel awards over the past eight years. jimmy carter who received it. he was being very critical with george w. bush and al gore. seems this committee is defining itself by who not george w. bush. >> well, look, i think david outlined a pretty reasonable set of circumstances that led to this vote. so i mean, and again, you know, who else should it be at this time in this world? >> chuck todd, how do you expect the white house to play this? >> well, i -- you know, i think they're going to obviously the president said he's humbled. i assume he's going to use it as platform to talk about the things that he wants to do. and that he's trying to do.
i mean, you know, the one upside, i think this adds a burden of expectation that has accompanying this presidency ever since he got elected. i mean, there are people who assume that, you know, the joke about him being able to walk on water and, you know, he didn't walk to the inauguration along the potomac, but this nobel prize does do that, adds to that burden of expectation. so it does give him a platform, though, to talk about this stuff. and obviously the white house really doesn't want to hear me today because they decided to bring the leaf blower guy. >> that's the one constant. >> so they know, they don't want us talking about this peace prize anymore. they want to move on. they want to move forward. >> david, the white house could use this though as leverage, could they not, in negotiations with north korea or with iran? >> absolutely. you know, "the washington post" wrote an interesting comment yesterday about the emerging obama doctrine. the return to responsibility and
international responsibility. i think this does, as chuck points out, feed into that. this is leverage to say, look, we've got these problems. as an international community, you have a problem with the united states because you thought the u.s. was going it alone. again, second bush administration, second four years, different strategy with regard to iran and north korea, it was much more multi-lateralism they said was missing in the first administration. but you rejected all that and now it's time to step up. it's time to step up in afghanistan. it's time to step up in terms of countering north korea and iran. and again, this administration is still very much the same place in terms of russia and china vis-a-vis iran and north korea. so there is more leverage, but there are also high expectations. again, it comes to the time when last week we're talking about the president on the world stage not being able to deliver in terms of bringing the olympic games to the u.s. now again, sort of celebrated for what he stands for, for what a lot of europeans consider the american ideal, in terms of
government and leadership, and now the president has got to go out there and deliver on all that. >> you know, interesting, we're actually awaiting, we're going to be bringing into the conversation, white house senior adviser david axelrod and actually chris just told me in my ear that david's on the phone with us right now. let's get our first response now from the white house. senior adviser david axelrod. david, we've been talking about the nobel peace prize here. >> let me just say, david, we've been very excited. you know, we were wondering why he didn't win it last year. >> i heard your starbucks this morning, joe. >> so, what's the white house response? >> well, i can only give you my own. >> you are the white house. >> look, i think obviously it's an honor. it's nothing that anyone expected. certainly nothing the president sought. i think that he's less interested in individual honors, and this certainly is one, than
in advancing the causes that were cited by the nobel committee. and i think it's an affirmation on the part of the nobel committee for the things that he's been working on, the things that he's been talking about around the world for the last nine months and before, are important and significant. and they're monumental challenges for humanity. rebuilding international relationships, dealing with the issue of arms -- nuclear arms proliferation, dealing with the issue of climate change, building alliances to deal with conflict. these are causes to which he's devoted and to which i think the world wants to be devoted, and so i think there is an affirmation of that. >> savannah?
>> david, how much will the white house play this up? would you go receive the award in person? >> this is all news to us. and so i don't know what -- what we're going to do with regards to that. i would assume so, but i don't know. the point here, though, savannah, is to rededicate ourselves to the causes that the president has brought forward here, to rededicate ourselves to the cause of dealing with the threat of nuclear weapons, the cause of climate change, to the cause of conflict of the resolution, and to the cause of rebuilding frayed relationships around the world so as to reduce the chances of conflict and promote solutions to these very difficult problems. >> david, as we're gauging reaction, i would like to touch on something chuck todd brought up. does it raise the burden of expectation on this president,
on the world stage, which many argue he faced as he entered the presidency overall? >> well, that's something that he's always carried with him. and i must say, he spends very little time, i think, worrying about that. and all his time focused on moving the ball forward and trying to solve problems. and so, yes, there are high expectations of him. he's lived with high expectations for a very long time. he has the ability to push those things aside and focus on the business at hand. and that's one of his strengths as a person and as a president. >> david gregory. >> david, good morning. >> how are you? >> to what extent do you think this is a rejection of george w. bush more than even an affirmation of this president? >> you know, david, i don't have any -- i don't have any knowledge of the politics or the
thinking behind these decisions. i read the citation, and i accept the citation for what it is. i think the president has worked hard to bring some issues to the floor internationally and to point the world in a direction of solving some very big problems. and i think this is a regular cognition of that. i think the important thing is the affirmation of those causes and the important thing for us is to move forward with humility and redouble our efforts to promote solutions to these great challenges. >> david, it's mark. how are you? >> hey, how are you? >> would you predict -- >> by the way, i'm waiting for the chapter in your book that dissects the inside wrangling that went on that led to all of this. i'm sure it's probably -- >> it will be in the paperback. >> you probably got it in the works already. >> would you expect republicans and conservatives to be as
excited about the president winning the nobel prize as they were disappointed about losing the chicago olympics? >> i don't know. i can only -- i can only speculate on that. look, it's immaterial. i would hope that everybody would view this as, again, an affirmation of some very important causes to which we all should be dedicated. i think we -- conservatives and liberals should be able and everyone in between ought to be able to agree on the need to reduce the threats to humanity and the threats to our country. >> yeah. >> that's what the president is working on. >> david, it is unorthodox, is it not, it is interesting that the president received this award in his first year, isn't it? >> well, i think it's -- it's unusual for a president. there have only been three presidents who have received this. so it's unusual in general, joe.
but, yeah. but, yes, it's unusual. but there are a lot of unusual things that have happened over the last couple of years. a lot of people thought was unusual that he got elected president because they thought it was remote that someone named barack obama, someone who was not part of the washington establishment would get elected president of the united states. so, you know, yes, it's unusual. and again, i think the important thing is not to, you know, i guarantee you the president would trade every award as humbling and as important as this one is, for -- for the dissolution of nuclear arsenals back home here to get our economy moving in a way that creates more jobs and more opportunities and so on. the goal is not to win awards. even wonderful prestigious
awards like this. the goal is to move america forward. the goal is to bring a level of peace and understanding and progress to the world. >> all right. david axelrod, thanks so much for calling. >> >> congratulations. >> david gregory, thank you as well. coming up next, say good-bye to the moon. it's about to blow up. another family used to live here before they filed for bankruptcy. 62% of personal bankruptcies
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curt welcome back to "morning joe." we are counting down. good television there. we're listening to nasa television. we've got our eyes focused on the moon this morning. quite seriously. we are going to be watching the moon bombing live right here, right now, in just about less than 60 seconds. let's listen in. >> communicating to the flight team to adjust some camera levels. >> flight confirm. near infrared. november, correct? >> confirmed. >> on the infrared camera. >> copy, sending, command. >> all stations flight. mark, send to our impact.
>> that was an announcement by the flight director that the center impact should have -- >> confirm receipt of command. over. flight payload curtain start. over. >> copy that, payload. >> we should be looking for some signs of the impact on the leftmost part of the -- >> stand by with infrared changes. >> -- right side of the shadow right below the crater, the larger crater in. >> flight, this is science. make the rate changes. mir one, one hertz, mir2, 0.1 hertz. over. >> mir one to one hertz. sending mir one at one hertz. >> and the science team is directing the flight team to
adjust the sampling rate of some of the instruments to fit within the one megahertz. >> mir two at .2, .1. >> the one megahertz signal limit. >> go flight. >> command flight. send mir two, 0.1 hertz. >> 0.1 hertz. sending command. >> now, what you're looking at, you're looking at actually a spacecraft that is actually following the one that is going to crash into the moon. they are sending two up there, and the first one will go in, carrying the bomb, which will cause the explosion. they're going to hope that the particles that are blown from the moon's surface, when they spray back out, will immediately, the data will be picked up by the spacecraft that
is following it. >> one minute. >> to discover here is to confirm the theory that water is on the moon. a key resource, if people are going to go back to the moon some day. and they're think that it is hidden below the barren moonscape. we're looking at right now the surface of the moon and the moon bombing, as it's called, is about to happen literally in the any moment. >> what we're looking at the pictures you're receiving, are coming from a shepherding spacecraft that is following four minutes behind the two-ton rocket that is going to be going into the moon. so again, the pictures you are receiving is from what nasa calls the shepherding spacecraft, which will not only be sending pictures back to earth but will hope to pick up data that may suggest that there are ice particles deep within the moon surface. and we are having reports now
that it has crashed into the moon successfully. >> dvd mode. >> opr change request. nir two to opr ten. over. >> november, mir two to opr. >> yes, confirm, november. >> ready. command flight send. november, mir two to opr ten. >> the rocket has successfully crashed into the moon. that's the wires are reporting that. of course, mika asked me where the rest of the moon was in that shot. fearing that it has sheered off about one-eighth of the moon. >> i'm mourning the moon. >> you have just -- you know, i have -- i still remember, lawrence o'donnell, on a hot summer night in the suburbs of atlanta, georgia, watching neil
armstrong walk on the moon when i was 5 years old in my father's lap. i hope this morning that little kate is at home watching this history. >> look, it's only a half-moon now. >> the visuals were better back then. >> usa. >> than this time around. >> usa. actually, you know, we will be following this. >> it is fascinating. >> it's going to take a long time to figure out what they found. but when they figure that out, we're going to let you know. and, also, coming up, exciting. >> here we go. >> they should be excited. >> good job. >> yeah, moon is still there. >> did i miss something? i didn't actually see anything. they said it couldn't be done. >> it was sound speech in hollywood. i would expect you to know that. >> charlie rangel is under pressure. >> great guy. >> kenny, chairmanship of the power ways and means. >> can we get lawrence o'donnell
to stop being such a hypocrite. >> lawrence has suggested that charlie be put up for the nobel peace prize next year. we're going to talk about, remember, congressman kendrick meeks who is also running for senate in the state of florida, my home state, i'm going to ask him whether charlie rangel should step down, when we return. so it's a typical morning when suddenly you see built ford tough trucks! the ground starts rumblin' like you just struck oil, and you know what? you did hit pay-dirt cause it's ford truck month. an' leading this herd is the ford f-150. it's not just a truck it's an f-150. and with great power comes great fuel economy. no wonder it was named 2009 motor trend truck of the year. now get 0 percent apr for 60 months or 45 hundred cash back on an 09 f-150. and ford credit is on board to help with the financing. it's truck month! only at your local ford dealer.
speaker pelosi and house democrats, once again, voted to protect charlie rangel. but for the first time, two rank in file democrats broke ranks and voted with us. i think this is a clear sign that democrat leaders efforts to sweep this under the rug is starting to crack. chairman rangel should step aside until the ethics committee
has completed its work. >> i don't disagree with that. i don't understand what's going on here. >> i don't know. but we're going to find out now because with us now, democratic representative from florida, a member of the house ways an means committee, and most importantly, to me, son of the great cary meek. >> congressman, good to have you here. >> good morning, joe. >> what? what? >> what a morning to be on television. i mean, we are -- we're blowing up particles on the moon, the president wins the nobel peace price. >> yeah. >> what a country. >> what a country. what a country. what a solar system. >> what a good way to start this interview. >> let's go to mark. >> congressman, good morning. >> good morning. >> you declined to sign a letter that your colleagues of the black caucus signed to the speaker of the house expressing support for charlie rangel, the embattled bear chan of the ways
and means committee. why didn't you sign that letter? >> well, my colleagues have the right to sign this letter. i felt that the letter was a message to the speaker. i voted, and so did chairman rangel endorsed his case going to the ethics committee. i've been here in congress for seven years now. i lived through and worked through the culture of corruption and cronyism. i can tell you the chairman took a preemptive strike early on in this case and asked the ethics committee to look at this and recommend to the house how it should proceed. there is no criminal investigation, as far as i'm concerned, as it relates to any imminent indictments or anything like that. but i can tell you the procedure, the procedure, and joe knows because he was a member of congress, that you go to the ethics committee or
there's a select committee that is -- >> congressman, i hate to interrupt you but i'll say again, what separates your view from your colleagues? why didn't you sign the letter? >> oh, well, basically, the letter said that it is deplorable what the minority party is doing as it relates to bringing these privilege resolutions to the floor. i personally feel that they're within their own right to be able to do so. and if there's a privilege resolution that comes to the floor weekly or daily, i mean, they are within their right in doing it. i can't stand in front of that. and that's the reason why i didn't sign the letter. >> lawrence o'donnell? >> send it to the ethics committee. i think that's where it's supposed to be. i look forward to their report. >> congressman meek, isn't another reason why you are supporting charlie rangel is he's a great guy? >> just stop it. >> no, is he or is he not a great guy? take your time on that answer,
as long as you want. >> well, the thing about it is that chairman rangel has been here in congress for some time. he's a veteran. he's an individual that has served this country. he has been here a great distinction. he has respect on both sides of the aisle. i believe that there's a lot of politics that's involved in, you know, lifting this issue to where it is right now. and we have to do a lot of work in this country. >> congressman, i'm concerned, especially with lawrence, but i'll ask you as well. the worry here is that what you are saying, what lawrence is saying, is exactly what is wrong with washington. that people are sticking up for their political allies for reasons that have nothing to do with what is right and what is wrong. even rangel himself has said he has been sloppy. he's in charge of our tax code. shouldn't he step down, shouldn't he stop putting you in this position?
>> he's not putting me in any position whatsoever. i mean, i come to work every day, i go to work every day. >> you're in a position to defend someone who has been slappy with his taxes, with hundreds of thousands of dollars, and he's chairman of this committee. i think that's a pretty uncomfortable position, for you to be defending this. am i wrong? >> i'm not defending anything. it went to the ethics committee. members voted to the ethics committee. i'm not here saying that he's right or he's wrong. he has admitted that he's sloppy. those are his words. i don't wake up every day saying, wow, my constituents are not going to have a job today because he was sloppy. i'm here to make sure that we bring about a paradigm shift as relates to climate change that's so important to the state of florida and our future. there are a number of things that are there on my mind versus, well, you know, chairman rangel is still chairman rangel today because the ethics committee has not responded yet.
>> let's talk about your race for the united states senate and the state of florida. would you rather go up against charlie crist or marco? >> it's getting interesting in florida and i am focused on the general election, as you know, we're starting our democratic convention in florida. it kicks off today. and it will go throughout the weekend. we'll talk about preparing. i think we have a lot to be happy about, the fact that president obama did win florida last year and that we are dealing with one of the major issues that are facing floridians, 3800 floridians lose their insurance every week. we are responding to that. we're 46 as relates to women that are insured in florida. so this is a major issue. and health care is at the forefront. americans are getting more and more informed as it relates to what's in the bill and what will be in the bill. i'm excited about it. >> is that charlie crist or
marco rube yio? >> whoever comes out after, i'm willing to take on. >> congressman meek, great to have you here. >> he's a great guy, too. >> yes. >> ways and means committee, great guy. coming up, is prime time tv in trouble? we're going to talk to the star of "law and order." also, an exclusive look at "the new york times" book review and weekend review with editor sam. you're watching "morning joe" you brewed by starbucks. you can live
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with us now, sam tanenhaus. have we figured out who won the nobel prize? >> well, we know who she is but don't know much about her. romanian born german writer. >> the germans don't know who she is? >> most of them don't. she has won a lot of prices, but of course the biggest of them all. her work is not well known. it's hardly translated here. >> her subject seems to be a
roman romania. everybody is scrambling to catch up. >> didn't you say, sam, a trend. there is a growing trend with this committee? >> it feels very commit political. there were some of the figures in modern literature, and they seem to be looking for the most obscure but politically correct. >> if you take harold pinter, it seems he was best known now for
his politics. very anti-american. and also comical extremes. >> they are frequently based on early work. economic nobel prizes seems like they were done on their earlier work. >> well, you always see the names of the contenders floating around. they don't have a short list and say here are the eight people we are looking at. in the mace of mueller, she is 56 years old. that is not advanced in the life of a writer, and she is greatly admired and has won prizes before. >> mark has a piece on what happens if the president loses of comedian.
>> hey, they are coming after him. remember it seemed like jon stewart cannot make any more jokes because barack obama was in the white house. now he is coming up on snl. >> well, funny the make fun of him for doing nothing and then a few days later he wins the nobel prize. >> yeah, a lot of politics inside. fdr desooids we are not ready for a blood war in europe.
sam tanenhaus. >> what else do you have? >> "the good soldier." this may be the war on iraq as he takes you to ground level. it follows the battalion in iraq and takes you day by day the grunts on the ground, what the war is like. really good and impressive. >> got to get that. >> sam, thank you so much. good to see you again. sam tanenhaus. coming up, dirty politics in new jersey? politics getting ugly, and what that means for the nation. we'll be right back. smile in aisle 14?
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welcome to "morning joe." great to have you with us this morning. a shot of los angeles as we move east from l.a. to las vegas where billie is buried somewhere. god knows where. and then further east, the white house where it's a little bit before 6:00 this morning. barack obama was awakened by robert gibbs to tell him he had won the nobel peace prize, and
then on up to philadelphia, the city of brotherly love, and then to new york, where the president was mocked for winning the nobel prize. which i am really disappointed. but i think it's really great news that he won that. >> why do you hate peace? >> well, i don't think that he hates peace. >> i don't know that i would put it that way. >> the nobel prize to be pondering to increase troops in a war. >> well, i wonder if the peace prize was given to the president just to possibly put pressure on him? >> not to ramp up in
afghanistan, to stair his real down going into iran, and drawdown in iraq. i don't know. >> it won't do that. it will not succeed in that. >> i don't think so but i am just curious. we laughed about it early on, mark and i, because i think it's extraordinarily premature, but at the same time if i am at the white house i don't want to win a nobel peace prize because of the expectations. >> i think we are going to play a little bit of a clip coming up, and we have him saying it's unusual and there have been an unusual things pertaining to this president and his election was unusual. >> good political move?
>> i would take it. i don't see what the downsize would be. >> does this balance out copenhagen? >> well, i don't know. i think it's a blessing and the curse, because of the burden of expectation. and a lot of people don't think it's so wonderful if he is the darling of european capital, and on the other hand those are probably not his supporters anyway. >> there you go. time for a look at today's top stories. the white house may be planning a new overseas trip for the president after won the 2009 nobel peace prize. the nobel committed cited the president's call to reduce the stock pile of nuclear weapons in his out reach to the muslim world. >> it's an honor. it's nothing that anybody
expected, certainly nothing the president sought. i think he is less interested in individual honors, and this certainly is one, than in advancing the causes that were cited by the nobel committee. >> we will talk about this coming up. in other news, senior administrative officials says obama is accepting the policy that the taliban may play a role in afghan politics. there are signals the president is leaning away from adding significant troops to the fight. >> there are differences between al qaeda and the taliban. they are not the same type of group. al qaeda is a global transnational jihadist movement.
and there is a law that would make it a federal crime because they are gay or lesbian. it's expected to pass in part because it's attached to a key policy defense bill. that's the news. >> and now, the columnist exstains why voters are turning away from deeds. he tried to hammer home the message that mcconnell is anti-woman. so this race, you look at the front page of the "washington post," and it's somewhere. it looks like virginia voters are agreeing with you, mcdonnell
is pulling ahead of deeds? >> yeah, new polls show he is way up. and deeds' attacks on mcdonnell was based on the awesossumption being the women could not vote for a man for a man that suggests that women should not leave to work outside the home. and also when you write a dissertation, you write it for a specific audience. i don't want to spend too much time on that. to focus on his ads, though, he over and over and over hit the document from 20 years ago. and women care about other things too. >> i was in d.c., and i saw a 30-second ad where mcdonnell shows his wife and daughters, these professional strong women. seems to me, after you look at it, this is what he wrote in
college, and then he married a strong woman? >> well, he was not a child when he wrote a dissertation, maybe in his early 30s. he was going back to get an advanced degree. but he obviously evolved, and men are capable of that from time to time, right? >> allegedly. >> i will have to challenge you on that. >> i did write the book here, so i can't be biassed. one of his daughters served in iraq. you can't say a father is saying women play a certain role -- >> yeah, that would debunk it right there. >> it suddenly turns to refer, and she turns to me!
>> well, the ad is like if you vote for mcdonnell, you will be pregnant for life. it's ludicrous. >> yeah. >> we lurd last year, 10 months ago, that virginia was going democratic and it was now a purple state. you and i both know the republican party -- we talked about this, the republican party has been clueless over the past several years, and now it looks like they are gaining ground back in a state like virginia? >> yeah, and i think mcdonnell has actual plans for solving transportation problems. he put things out on a table where people say yeah that seems like a good idea, and let's try it. i think a lot of people thought it was going to be a referendum on the obama administration, but now that he is a nobel peace
prize winner -- >> yeah, we have had reaction about that. what is your reaction? >> well, the cynical response and the way to go response. i am not sure where i come down. it seems premature. but let's be fair to the president. he has gone on the world stage and made a case for getting along, and he is trying to take an approach to cultures and countries. it's a vote for hope, i think. >> but nine months into it, and it's just words. and world leaders say it's a great speech but no follow-up. >> people are happy the olympics are not coming. >> that's what i said, and i was mocked on the show. >> when we start bombing
afghanistan, we'll see -- >> well, the united states hosted the olympic games before and we do it well. i am not saying president obama way not be a transcendent figure, and maybe he can draw us down in afghanistan without the taliban taking control of the country, and maybe four to eight years from now you and i will be saying he did a hell of a job. we have words in a teleprompter spoken on an international stage, and little else. you get a nobel prize for that? >> well, that was tough. >> that's tough. have you ever -- never mind. >> no, you can ask me. >> i was going to say is it hard to work with a teleprompter? i don't know. >> we don't use one.
the cairo speech, i thought it was an inspiring speech. >> yeah, it inspired people to think in new ways. >> and at the end of the first term, look how the man accomplished and look how he transformed the world. the ideas and then the words and then, you know -- they are awarding him for his ideas. >> he said he was going to shut down gitmo and has not done. and he said he is going to do a lot of things that he has not done. let's wait until he does that. and i would like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony, and if he does that, i am excited. kathleen, let's talk about the republican party. >> yeah, let's do.
joe, you are running for president, right? >> well, if i do i don't have rush limbaugh's vote, because he questioned my manhood. >> he is a little late on that. >> well, you can only be conservative by being intolerant, and by waving your aurmds around by calling the president a racists or nazi. >> that's why you and i are outcasts, joe. >> actually, not. >> they questioned my manhood as well, joe. >> the republicans are with us. >> yeah, and i think the republicans had a long time --
this is driving me crazy on health care, for example, a lot to be concerned about. where were the republicans for eight years when they could have sphere headed health care reform, when they could have gaven people greater peace of mind. >> they added a $7 trillion debt in medicare. to the system that is most bankrupt, and the system that says will cripple us. we republicans added a $7 trillion debt to medicare. way to go. >> no voice and no leadership, and i say we, this country, because i think the country benefits from a strong republican party as well as a strong democratic party, and there is nobody talking accept for the talkers. >> you know who we have going for us? >> who. >> charlie rangel. can you believe that nancy pelosi, two years ago, she rails
against the culture of corruption in washington, d.c., and harry reid in 2005 says this republican congress is the most corrupt ever, and we are going to clean it up, and now they are sitting back with i would say the most corrupt weighs and means chairman, and certainly -- >> please, not even close to the most corrupt. >> that's the only reason you have her defending him? >> give charlie team. >> charlie has not committed a crime at all. there is no crime. >> there is nothing to see here. >> speak ee ee eer nancy pelosie was going to drain the swamp.
power corrupts. absolutely. and it's an old saying for a reason. you know what, too, just the human nature, we tend to become the thing we object to most ultimate ultimately. >> it's so overtly self destructive for the democrats to try to defend where it appears that charlie rangel, to an extent, has admitted to. while they are helping an ally, aren't they hurting themselves? >> i have not heard anybody defend anything that charlie has done or accused of doing. >> well, they like him, and that's the problem. >> yeah, he is the great guy. >> he is a war hero, and a great guy. he is a loveable man. >> well, the democrats, they are
in a bind if he steps down, because -- >> the next guy, everybody is nervous about him. >> yeah, they don't want to lose the governor because they don't want lieutenant governor. >> that's a sorry picture we just painted. >> and then get this guy in front of a microphone, kaboom. will my good friend, mark sanford, survive and serve out his term? >> is he your good friend? >> he is. >> i think he will, yeah. >> because the lieutenant governor is crazy? >> yeah, they don't want him in the governor's chair, because he has an advantage with the next election. he is a wild card too, you know.
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>> we are looking for answers, and you are not providing any. >> calm down and work with us. we are trying to figure out how a dead, naked woman ended up in your apartment. >> what time did you come home last night? >> i don't remember coming home. >> did anybody see you come home? >> i am a developer, and my partner and i met with people at our headquarters. >> anybody unhappy with your production? >> everybody. >> you said you were not partying last night? >> trust me, it was no party. >> another puzzling case for nbc's ""law & order." with us now, the emmy nominated star, chris malonie. >> we have quick breaking news first, chris has been nominated for next year's nobel peace
prize. >> the president is going to make a statement at 10:30 about the honor. >> in news in this there about the noon? >> willie geist is e-mailing me. you know, willie, take a day off! i am enjoying myself. >> now, it's said that shows like yours are in danger. >> yeah, i think they need to find a new paradigm to work under. they need to have a show like mine, produce it get it out there and give it a shot and make money off it. it's a sensitive time out there for scripted shows. i am kind of feeling, though, that the reality stuff is a fad.
>> really? >> yeah, i do. i think a fad that will last, 10, 15, 20 years, and then after a while -- right now it's the saturation of it. >> lawrence, isn't this a false economy, if you invest in a great show, and people watch it and networks make lots of money? >> yeah, hundreds and hundreds and millions of dollars off this show in particular. and jay is struggling at 10:00. me and my fellow members of the writers guilt love jay leno, and cannot wait for him to be cancelled. is it -- some of your shows, "law & order" used to run at 10:00, and now that's not available. now you have to run them at 9:00. is that affecting what stories you can tell, because the networks had a notion that at 10:00 you could tell more adult stories? >> well, the times have changed
and now you have a more sophisticated audience. now, when our show is on at 9:00, it's mountain/central, and that's a tough sale. >> it's the tough time slot, 9: 9:00. >> and a great show, i remember my wife and i used to watch -- what was the irish -- was it the black -- there were a lot of great shows, like "cheers," it was 57 out of 59. but they stuck with it. that doesn't happen any more. either they are a hit or you are gone. >> yeah, you better get out of
the starting blocks quickly or we will not invest in you, because the initial investment is so much for them, meaning the networks. the gamble, when it hits it hits. our show will be 11 seasons. most-watched show this summer. i think it's the most-watched show, syndication, we are the most watched show. 45 million people watch it. 11 years later and it's a pretty popular show. >> that's pretty good. >> and the reruns do well. in a lot of the series, they don't rerun. "gray's anatomy" does very badly. >> is that because you can watch one and you don't have to know
the story? >> yeah, and yeah, you don't have to think, wait, they were on a divertdesurded island or w? >> "lost," i never watch lost because i did not see the first one. >> i always try to watch "mad men" because i did not see it. >> notice all the men here have watched the shows. they have so much time. i have not. >> it's a show that i need to watch. brief interviews with hidden men. >> that's a movie. what is that? >> john foster wallace wrote a book, and it was a series of connected essays, and about how men and women interact, and their relationships. and the man from the office
wrote it and directed it? >> interesting, your costar, just sort of blurted out an exspative on our show on friday, and it was the word that she was using to describe men. how would you characterize how men come off in this movie? >> do you want me to blurt something out? >> i don't know. it's the only word that you can think of to describe men, that's fine. >> i will be a politician, men are complicated beings, with many needs. >> with what? >> many needs. >> oh, god! >> i am trying. >> i think men are pretty simple. it's card to crack that code. >> go on. go on. many needs? >> i am just trying to dig my
way out. >> what is your biggest need? >> how much longer are you going to be doing what you are doing now? you guys keep going? >> we have a contract for one more year after this. that would take us to year 2012. >> how long have you been doing it? >> since day one. >> oh, my god, 12 years! >> yes. >> are you board yet? >> no. it's very difficult to think of new ways to inte inteargate a prisoner. >> the joys are going to work with richard belsar? >> yeah, it would be a perfect world if he knew how to hit his mark. >> you are on that show, and you had a cameo. it was very good.
>> the reach, i still -- i was at a speech last night, and a guy grabbed me and said i saw you on and he talked about the episode. >> you will get checks for the rest of your life. >> i am getting them. 32 cents. but it was worth it. it's something how it was not just the one time, but so many people watch this show on reruns on these other networks. it's remarkable. >> what is great about that reach, the subject matter that we more often than not tackle is the sexual abuse, abuse of children, and these sorts of things that i think -- when we started the show, people were uncomfortable about talking about. i think our show has helped to open the dialogue and make it less shameful. this is just a problem. >> you can talk about it? >> yeah, it was not your fault. a lot of psychology will be that
it's your fault, you did this, and you made me -- it helps redefine or shift peoples' focus on not your fault. you did not do anything wrong. >> when this show started, i looked at it and thought i don't know how many episodes of this you can do, and 200 episodes later. >> that was my first concern when i signed up, it was about sex crimes. god bless our head writer, and he used it for social issues. >> thank you very much. you can catch chris on "law & order," and it's on at 9:00 eastern. >> and also, brief interviews with hiddious men, and all of their needs. they are so complicated. the lawrence o'donnell story. dirty politics in new
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timing, because yesterday it was gorgeous, and i was inside. today it's cold and raining, and outside today. >> still looking fabulous. >> okay. it's good to see you guys. markets are getting pressure around the world. a few things to keep an eye on today, and one of them is ben bernanke, saved the dollar for one day. it's inching up from a 14-month low. the obama administration has benignly neglected the dollar and let it fall. and ben bernanke said he is tightening the interest rates when he needs to. you will have fed speaks today, and the president will speak this afternoon around 2:00. i am sure you guys talked about this, he will respond to the nobel peace prize this afternoon, but this afternoon it will be on ben bernanke's reapproval. and one thing getting attention
here in the uk, the london telegraph talking about mr. rogers being bullish. if he is correct, that makes the whole inflation fear much more real. 20 years up. he is saying what a lot of other people are saying, we have a bubble in bonds. he races tises the question wouu want to lend to america for 30 years at 3% interest. >> thank you. >> sorry to rain on your parade, mika. but misery loves company. thank you. coming up, suze orman with our political round table on "morning joe," straight ahead. national car rental? that's my choice.
welcome back to "morning joe." we talked about virginia earlier, and it's not the only state where the governor's race is getting ugly. lus than a month to go, and the gloves have come off in new jersey. natalie morales tells us how the beautiful campaign ads take center stage in new jersey. >> i asked you, citizens of new jersey, hold me accountable. >> corzine is in the fight of his life. >> the worsen employment in the region, and now corzine asked for four more years. >> reporter: he is coming under heavy attack from republican challenger, christie, a former u.s. attorney. >> it has been mean and dirty on both sides. they accused each other of everything and dragged their mothers into it. >> if christie was governor, he
could drop mammograms. >> my mom was a breast cancer survivor. it's important for the governor to hang on to power by scaring people. >> the race has gotten neck and neck, and talking about his weight. >> christie through his weight around as u.s. attorney and got off easy. one set of rules for himself, and another set for everybody else. >> reporter: the ad simply refers to christie's abusive power for his own gain while a prosecutor. but christie's campaign thinks the ad is terrible. >> this race has lived up to the
representation of being vicious and nasty. >> reporter: the poll numbers are neck and neck. the out come is important on a national level. >> if corzine loses, it will hurt barack obama and the democrats heading towards the mid-term elections in 2010. but if he wins, it could give the democrats a draw in the off year races in 2009. >> that was natalie morales reporting. we were talking about this yesterday, the whole weight issue, and whether or not it should be brought into the ads. the corzine campaign saying they are not doing it, but it seemed like they were? >> they are not allowed to show a picture of the opponent? what are they supposed to do? it can only be a head shot? >> lauren, come on. >> on him, the head shot, no way to show a picture of him without that three letter word coming to mind. >> if only you were more like charlie rangel, you are
thinking, a great guy. >> you know, i will just go to break. i think we should talk about the three letter world all the time, seriously. but that seems kind of mean, actually. anyh anyhow, we will be back with suze orman with our political round table. we'll be right back. ( inspiring music playing ) someday, cars will be engineered using nanotechnology to convert plants into components. the first-ever hs hybrid. only from lexus.
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after three exciting weeks, former congressman tom delay is leaving "dancing with the stars" because of the physical toll the show was taking. doctors reported a stress fracture in his right foot, and then his left foot. >> okay. my eyes hurt now. >> okay. with us now, somebody who is getting it right and talking people through the tough economic times, and walking in the weekend's avon's walk for breast cancer, suze orman. she is author of a book. you wrote this at the beginning of a terrible year, in middle
america, where you are most of the time. are they listening to ben bernanke who is telling us happy days are around the corner? >> no, they don't get it. their children are graduating college and cannot find a job. and they cannot find jobs. they are going, oh, i can buy a car and get a rebate, but then how am i going to finance that? and a lot of people are buying homes right now and they are telling me that they are buying homes only because they want to take advantage of the $8,000 tax credit that goes away at the end of november. if you ask them would they have purchased a home without the $8,000 tax credit, they will say no, we never would have. >> is it a mistake? >> well, here is the thing. it's not a mistake, but why are we seeing real estate is doing okay again? what will happen after november when the $8,000 tax credit is
not going to be there. middle american is not happy about what is going on. >> you told people while they were spending, spending, spending, you said, save, save, save. now we have economists who are starting to hold their money, now economists are running around saying this is the worse thing ever, consumers need to spend. don't key need to save? >> of course you have to. the reason you have to save is this, and this is very, very important. you have credit card companies that are closing down your credit cards once you have paid them off. when a consumer pays them off, they are closing them down. and then they are increasing minimum payments from 2% to 5%, and they are revoking sometimes their credit limits altogether. if you do not have a savings accounts, and you get sick or you lose your job at the same time that the credit cards have shut you down, and you no longer
have a place to charge anything, because you don't have a credit card, what are you going to do? >> well, i think you just stressed out most of the people watching, because a lot of people are in the situation? >> but that's reality. it's not enough to say i know, it's like banks, and credit card companies, let's know that and help them. why can't you give them for a while, if they have not been late on their payments, why can't you give them a 0% rate, and they bailed you out. it was taxpayer money that went to bail them out. and banks and credit card companies expect the c-- respec them. >> well, they are concerned about the $8,000 tax credit for real estate. and they are talking about extending it.
i don't see how they can act on it fast enough where it will expire. in terms of the banks and credit cards, congress took a swing at that, and it was a very little swing at it. they are not serious about trying to regulate them. >> can i ask you a dumb credit card using question. why not payoff your credit card completely so they don't shut you down? >> that's the problem. when the consumer is paying off the credit card in totality, the credit card company is shutting them down? >> so wouldn't it make sense to leave $100? >> no, they are calling you or sending you a thing that says here is the deal, we'll keep you at 4% interest rate but you can't use your credit cards any more. there is a debtors resoelt going
on in the united states of america led by a woman, who went on youtube, who said that's it, i had a $6,000 credit card debt at bank of america for the past six or seven years, and i never have been late on a payment, and they raised it up on 12%. and she went on youtube and said out of principalprinciple, i amg to make my payments. and bank of america called and said you can go back to 12.99%. she should have been able to say i never went over my limit or was late, why are you punishing me? >> good for her. >> microeconomics, that's what you do every day, and in macro, we need everybody to spend more
in that perspective. from the microeconomic perspective, we should not spend more because of -- >> i would argue that actually in the macro, we need to save money, too. it's the difference between short-term macro and long-term macro. it's best for this country that we have the type of savings rate, a 10% savings rate. we cannot continue,suze? >> yeah, why did the rate skyrocket. because people were able to buy homes that they could not afford to buy. that's not the peoples' problem. it was the financial institutions' problem saying here is a loan, you qualify for it. that's spending money we did not have. >> let's look at where we are now. we have gone from having cheap money, low interest rates and high private debt, to now, cheap
money, low interest rates, and high public debt. we are still ginning the economy. all we are doing is transferring it private debt to the federal government? >> i am not arguing with you, sir. i think the society is on financial prozac. >> you don't think people are listening more to you? >> of course they are listening to me, but here is the thing, what do i tell somebody that calls in, their credit cards have been shut down and they don't have any emergency funds and lost their jobs, what do you tell somebody? even suze orman does not have a magic wand that says, oh, it's fine. we have to turn things around. one thing i have to say here is, credit cards can also be gotten through credit unions. credit unions are being more responsible to their consumers than banks are. not all credit unions are great, but credit unions in general, if you have a credit card you might
want to do a balance transfer to a credit card union, everybody. >> i hope they listen. thank you very, very much. up next, what if anything, did we learn today? goodwrench... we roll out the blue carpet for drivers of these great gm brands. we can do the small things, the big things, just about everything... right inside your gm dealership. find out more at goodwrench.com. ♪ [ female announcer ] arthritis targets your body where it's weak. where it's vulnerable. ♪ tylenol arthritis works with your body to block the pain, without interfering with certain high blood pressure medicines like aleve sometimes can. ♪ so you don't just feel better,
time to talk aboutwhatwe stichltd. time to talk about what we learned today. >> that savannah is wicked fall. >> oh, no, not again. >> mika? >> we used a lot of bad language today and we are very sorry. >> what was the worse word used today on the show? >> well, a few. >> well, the moon explosion, kind of boring. >> yeah, you are right. so boring. >> that was worse than seventh grade science class. >> what have you learned? >> the nobel prize committee wants obama to go back to
copenhagen. >> that was convoluted to me. >> i got here late, but you look sexy, given the fact that you have lost weight. he looks good, doesn't me? >> yeah, baby! >> i learned i need to open up by credit credit envelope and see what they are doing to me. mika and i shop at the same places, too. >> yeah, we have to learn that rush limbaugh's questioned my manhood. if it's way too early, what time is it? >> time for "morning joe." thank you everybody, and have a great weekend. we go now to the "morning meeting" with dylan ratigan.
>> the nobel peace price for 2009 is to be awarded to president barack obama for his extraordinary efforts to sustain national diplomacy and cooperation between people. >> president obama becomes the first sitting u.s. president to win the nobel peace prize since woodrow wilson, and that was back in 1919. how much pressure does that put on this president to get things done in afghanistan and iraq and not to mention the middle east. conservatives today are questioning whether he even deserves the honor. we will hear from the president himself at 10:30 eastern. that, as obama is taking on both afghanistan strategy and financial reform today. he is turning up the pressure on lawmakers to pass a sweeping bill by the end of the